QUOTE: The last time Rovers suffered a worse start to a home campaign was back in 1965/66, when they picked up just four points from seven games on their way to relegation to Division Two.


For all you up-beat pillocks that come on here - read that! i know its negative but we live in a democracy and i can have my say

the facts dont lie and neither do this seasons stats

relegation looms unless things change - i.e coaching staff

And a Win against Spurs will be just what the doctor ordered to bring us away from the drop zone. Spurs honeymoon period under Redknappy slowly seems to be ending, and with their goalie looking very unsure at corners, big guys like Samba, Santa Cruz and McCarthy should ahve a field day.

Roverite wrote:
QUOTE: The last time Rovers suffered a worse start to a home campaign was back in 1965/66, when they picked up just four points from seven games on their way to relegation to Division Two. For all you up-beat pillocks that come on here - read that! i know its negative but we live in a democracy and i can have my say the facts dont lie and neither do this seasons stats relegation looms unless things change - i.e coaching staff

negative,negative, negative i work with bolton supporters and they where calling for megson out two weeks ago,but guess what, they have all gone quiet now just like all you lot will in two weeks time

keeping the faith blue and white army

“We look like we are playing better away from home. It’s hard to say what’s going wrong when we play at home".

It could have something to do with the atmosphere at Ewood being so pitiful.

No songs apart from 'get into 'em' (clap clap), just the sound of grumbling and whinging from the stands.

At least the away support get behind the team.

That awful pub-band version of 'Wild Rover' that they play as the players come out doesn't help either...

Ted Maul wrote:
“We look like we are playing better away from home. It’s hard to say what’s going wrong when we play at home". It could have something to do with the atmosphere at Ewood being so pitiful. No songs apart from 'get into 'em' (clap clap), just the sound of grumbling and whinging from the stands. At least the away support get behind the team. That awful pub-band version of 'Wild Rover' that they play as the players come out doesn't help either...

what a load of rubbish,a waste of space this comment

“We knew the next goal would be important - we knew we had to try and be the team that got it. The manager told us we had to keep focussed at the back and try to finish them off but everything went wrong in the second half.”



Not bad advice really is it???

Glad to see the players taking a bit of responsibility - unlike the moronic fans who think if we sack our manager (I've yet to see anyone come up with a decent idea for a replacement by the way), we will fly into European contention.

Those who harp on back to the Kidd days. Should have stuck with Hodgson in hindsight shouldn't we!

I think the answer is quite simple. Our team is set up with no width and no attacking threat from the full backs. This defensive style can work quite well away from home where the onus is on the home team to attack. When we are at home and the onus is on us to break teams down and be on the offensive we seem to run out of ideas. If teams come to Ewood and sit back keeping things tight we struggle and run out of ideas or if (like Arsenal) they take us on man for man in an open game they out play us. We desperately need a creative central midfielder and an out and out right winger. This shows up more in the home games than the away games. But at the end of the day we will need to win most of our home games if we are to stay up.

hazy wrote:

Ted Maul wrote: “We look like we are playing better away from home. It’s hard to say what’s going wrong when we play at home". It could have something to do with the atmosphere at Ewood being so pitiful. No songs apart from 'get into 'em' (clap clap), just the sound of grumbling and whinging from the stands. At least the away support get behind the team. That awful pub-band version of 'Wild Rover' that they play as the players come out doesn't help either...

what a load of rubbish,a waste of space this comment

So you don't think that the lack of atmosphere at Ewood has any affect on the players then?

I was on the Riverside for the Boro game and the amount of whinging and moaning going on was unbelievable. People where booing Andrew's when he did a warm up - what possible good does that do?

The team arn't playing well but the Ewood crowd is like a mortury.

And that running out song is dire.

Nice constructive response from your goodself there as well.

Cheers!

hazy wrote:

Roverite wrote: QUOTE: The last time Rovers suffered a worse start to a home campaign was back in 1965/66, when they picked up just four points from seven games on their way to relegation to Division Two. For all you up-beat pillocks that come on here - read that! i know its negative but we live in a democracy and i can have my say the facts dont lie and neither do this seasons stats relegation looms unless things change - i.e coaching staff

negative,negative, negative i work with bolton supporters and they where calling for megson out two weeks ago,but guess what, they have all gone quiet now just like all you lot will in two weeks time keeping the faith blue and white army

i work with Man City fans which is as bad, so we both have it rough.

keep the faith this, keep the faith that......utter ****

i had faith in him until a few weeks ago - now my patience has run this with him and his joke of a back-room staff.

we are a mould of MK Dons but two leagues above - and its showing.

i feel a protest coming against Liverpool.

Miller11 - Yes we probably should have stuck with Hodgson.

Not entirely sure that I follow your analysis that asking for Ince to be sacked renders one a moron.

At the risk of repeating myself from a few days ago I think Rovers have to take some points before mid December otherwise the pressure on the manager will be overwhelming and Ince will be sacked. Looking at the fixtures, and accepting that games are not played on paper, it is difficult to see where the points are going to come from.

I am entirely confident that this analysis does not render me, and nor am I, a moron.

Ted Maul wrote:

hazy wrote:

Ted Maul wrote: “We look like we are playing better away from home. It’s hard to say what’s going wrong when we play at home". It could have something to do with the atmosphere at Ewood being so pitiful. No songs apart from 'get into 'em' (clap clap), just the sound of grumbling and whinging from the stands. At least the away support get behind the team. That awful pub-band version of 'Wild Rover' that they play as the players come out doesn't help either...

what a load of rubbish,a waste of space this comment

So you don't think that the lack of atmosphere at Ewood has any affect on the players then?

I was on the Riverside for the Boro game and the amount of whinging and moaning going on was unbelievable. People where booing Andrew's when he did a warm up - what possible good does that do?

The team arn't playing well but the Ewood crowd is like a mortury.

And that running out song is dire.

Nice constructive response from your goodself there as well.

Cheers!

The fans are not stupid. There is frustration because we are under performing. This because too many players are being played out of position and because the players brought in have not improved the team. The crowd is quiet because we are worried. Have faith things will improve (given time) and you will see the difference. (I hope)

Oh my god all this moaning is getting really boring now. Big deal we are 3rd from bottom at the moment but we are only a massive 2 points off Sunderland who are 11th, anyone of 14 teams could be in the relegation zone at moment,

Stop moaning and get behind the team for once

When we had a bad spell before everyone was saying couldnt see where points are goign to come from then as well. At moment the league is having very unusual results and teams that you would expect to be in lower half City, newcastle, Spurs and Blackburn are. So thats why I dont beleive in sacking the manager as no team has really got going except for your usual nited chelsea liverpool etc. I think ince will sort it out if giving time and as said before I dont want a quick fix which is what sackin the manager is, so many teams have done it before and regreted, Jol from spurs, eriksson from city should never have happened, and probably way back when as ppl said before Hodgson from Rovers. We are up against a couple of teams I think Blackburn can get something from Spurs have had the honeymoon period and with a very dodgy goalie if we can get good corners and crosses in with big lads like we have could cause them problems, and portsmouth who are now also in a transition period and have not yet got goiong could be another chance for us to get something. So let Ince get his ideas across he has proved with macclesfield he has the ability to get teams to get out of the drop zone and believe he will. The future is bright the future is blue and white

Miller11 wrote:
“We knew the next goal would be important - we knew we had to try and be the team that got it. The manager told us we had to keep focussed at the back and try to finish them off but everything went wrong in the second half.” Not bad advice really is it??? Glad to see the players taking a bit of responsibility - unlike the moronic fans who think if we sack our manager (I've yet to see anyone come up with a decent idea for a replacement by the way), we will fly into European contention. Those who harp on back to the Kidd days. Should have stuck with Hodgson in hindsight shouldn't we!

Decent replacement? Gordon Strachan. He's professional, sound team behind him, players respect him/listen to him, tactically good, he's got plenty of Prem experience, plays decent football but certainly gets the team more into the oppositions faces (which is what we need right now) excellent motivator, a good orator and gets his message across clearly unlike Ince...and he'd come to us

Ted Maul wrote:

hazy wrote:

Ted Maul wrote: “We look like we are playing better away from home. It’s hard to say what’s going wrong when we play at home". It could have something to do with the atmosphere at Ewood being so pitiful. No songs apart from 'get into 'em' (clap clap), just the sound of grumbling and whinging from the stands. At least the away support get behind the team. That awful pub-band version of 'Wild Rover' that they play as the players come out doesn't help either...

what a load of rubbish,a waste of space this comment

So you don't think that the lack of atmosphere at Ewood has any affect on the players then? I was on the Riverside for the Boro game and the amount of whinging and moaning going on was unbelievable. People where booing Andrew's when he did a warm up - what possible good does that do? The team arn't playing well but the Ewood crowd is like a mortury. And that running out song is dire. Nice constructive response from your goodself there as well. Cheers!

so you went to the boro match,i go to every home game being a season ticket holder in the riverside and from time to time people will have a winge and a moan, they are entitled to do so i even have one myself now and again,but i will be there next home game and giving my full support to every player in a rovers shirt

Spanish_Rover82 wrote:

Miller11 wrote:
“We knew the next goal would be important - we knew we had to try and be the team that got it. The manager told us we had to keep focussed at the back and try to finish them off but everything went wrong in the second half.” Not bad advice really is it??? Glad to see the players taking a bit of responsibility - unlike the moronic fans who think if we sack our manager (I've yet to see anyone come up with a decent idea for a replacement by the way), we will fly into European contention. Those who harp on back to the Kidd days. Should have stuck with Hodgson in hindsight shouldn't we!

Decent replacement? Gordon Strachan. He's professional, sound team behind him, players respect him/listen to him, tactically good, he's got plenty of Prem experience, plays decent football but certainly gets the team more into the oppositions faces (which is what we need right now) excellent motivator, a good orator and gets his message across clearly unlike Ince...and he'd come to us

Think you find Strachan is managing Celtic at moment, second Celtic hate him for the fact they say he has no tectical knowledge, and has track record for poor purchases. So I wouldnt want him and proof still that people cant find a choice and also that everyone seems something different in managers. I would expect everyone could name some different so instead of that why dont we just still with who we have. We also cant go for a manager in a job as that means paying their team compensation at same time paying Ince compensation which would mean less money for anybody. So instead of throwing money away. lets stick with Ince and let get his team just remember he has Hughes team not his yet. And Hughes team is the same one that got beat good off Birmingham who where already relegated at the end of the season to stop us from getting into europe. And we also lost our way at the back end of last season so i think the start of this slump was already happening, and maybe that was Hughes saw and wanted to get out while he could.

hazy wrote:

Ted Maul wrote:

hazy wrote:

Ted Maul wrote: “We look like we are playing better away from home. It’s hard to say what’s going wrong when we play at home". It could have something to do with the atmosphere at Ewood being so pitiful. No songs apart from 'get into 'em' (clap clap), just the sound of grumbling and whinging from the stands. At least the away support get behind the team. That awful pub-band version of 'Wild Rover' that they play as the players come out doesn't help either...

what a load of rubbish,a waste of space this comment

So you don't think that the lack of atmosphere at Ewood has any affect on the players then? I was on the Riverside for the Boro game and the amount of whinging and moaning going on was unbelievable. People where booing Andrew's when he did a warm up - what possible good does that do? The team arn't playing well but the Ewood crowd is like a mortury. And that running out song is dire. Nice constructive response from your goodself there as well. Cheers!

so you went to the boro match,i go to every home game being a season ticket holder in the riverside and from time to time people will have a winge and a moan, they are entitled to do so i even have one myself now and again,but i will be there next home game and giving my full support to every player in a rovers shirt

I'll be there too only living 5 minutes from the ground and i always will be through thick and thin - but it still doesnt mean that were not worried!

these comments are going nowhere,ince out and god knows who in GIVE HIM TILL XMAS AND THEN SEE WHERE WE ARE

Thats right blame the riverside moaners! Doesn't anyone moan in blackburn end? I tell you what we are making more noise than the blackburn end these days!
Anyway back to the point. I wonder if the players listen at half time or whether team talks aren't inspiring. At newcastle the mantra was 'dont give an early goal away!' What did we do?... Again last weekend, 'we have the lead, they will come at us, dont give an early goal away!' So players fault or poor half time talk?

11 premiership players on the pitch, averaging 25k a week. Our defence needs sorting out.

There fault not Inces!!!!

Sell Samba and Oijer draft in 2 solid defenders. Warnock into left back.

With regards to Andrews, he's been our most consistent performer this term. Ok he's made slip ups but not as many as other players.

Could do worse than Benayoun and Pennant in Jan...Poss Michael Mancienne too from Chelsea (think his loan at Wolves ends in Jan) and poss Appiah on a free if can sort wages. Thoughts...

Its nice to see there are plenty propoer Rovers supporters out there i.e. people actually supporting the team, the manager and the back room staff. Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but surely those who simply want to lay into the club and the manager are not real supporters, since by definition they are not supporting the club. If you have nothing positive to say, just go away, but before you do heres a quick question for you ... say from our next two away games we pick up four points (optimistic i know), say we knock utd reserves out of the league cup and get to the semis, say we follow that up with a solid home draw to Liverpool, i wonder, what will you be saying then????? I think we all know, the word fickle springs to mind.

I read somewhere on this message board that some were booing Andrews in the warm up to the Boro game, we aren't concerned about those people, again they aren't supporters they are mindless morons who obviously know nothing about football, since if they had been watching, Andrews is up there with Emerton as being our best and most consistent player so far this season. How anybody can boo a player that plays for the club they supposedly support is beyond me.

PAUL INCE's BLUE AND WHITE ARMY

I am beginning to wonder what's worse Watching Rovers lose or reading these comments. We've been through bad times before worse times even. But the majority of us have kept the faith.
Remember the old days, some of the players we had then wouldn't get in a pub team today. We watched standing in howling gales, rain lashed terraces, players knee deep in mud (espc Darwen End). For huge chunks of the season the pitch looking like Blackpool beach, with donkeys playing on it. We were relegated, promoted, relegated etc. At least we have seen something I never thought I would see in my 50 odd years of watching the Rovers. Our name on the Premiership trophy, alongside only three other clubs in over 15 years or so.
So, come on the team need our backing not our moaning. By the time we next see them at Ewood perhaps we will have something to cheer about.

INCE OUT.

A Darener wrote:
I am beginning to wonder what's worse Watching Rovers lose or reading these comments. We've been through bad times before worse times even. But the majority of us have kept the faith. Remember the old days, some of the players we had then wouldn't get in a pub team today. We watched standing in howling gales, rain lashed terraces, players knee deep in mud (espc Darwen End). For huge chunks of the season the pitch looking like Blackpool beach, with donkeys playing on it. We were relegated, promoted, relegated etc. At least we have seen something I never thought I would see in my 50 odd years of watching the Rovers. Our name on the Premiership trophy, alongside only three other clubs in over 15 years or so. So, come on the team need our backing not our moaning. By the time we next see them at Ewood perhaps we will have something to cheer about.

here,here well said

SAMBA CALLS FOR MENTAL TOUGHNESS FROM THE "FANS" - any dissenters please report to Brockhall now and ask for Mr Samba. Suggest you order your coffin before you go!
I can't see any comparison between Ince and Kidd. Kidd was a NO2 and too soft and wasted a "massive budget" on donkeys. Ince was a hard midfielder and has the personality to match and had been very successful learning his trade in the lower leagues although his "limited budget" buys to date are disapointing.
Great to see some quality comments backing the manager.
Now we can either go through this every week until January or get behind the manager and team and "Monitor" the situation which is exactly what any business would be doing. But STATISTICALLY teams that change manager mid-season seem to increase the probability of relegation rather than reduce it.
Higher gates and a better resulting atmosphere must help the team - it sounded like a home game for Sunderland and we all know that all teams do better home than away over a period - wonder why?

I'm Backing Ince (Sorry Woody!)

30 YEARS AND COUNTING!

Daily Express - Blackburn Chairman says gates are down over 2,000 per game ( and we've had Man U, Chelsea & Arsenal at home)and clubs need to respond to the credit crunch as it will get worse.
So Why Oh Why Mr Williams did you increase prices by 10% after the success of last seasons reduction? Please try and be ahead of the game at least once and act before the horse has bolted. I've only been telling you for 7 Years it's about habit at a reasonable price when demand does not exceed supply - eg Blackburn Rovers!

30 YEARS AND COUNTING!

Well said True Blue All The Way. Here's to the 'up-beat pillocks!'

Miller11 wrote:
“We knew the next goal would be important - we knew we had to try and be the team that got it. The manager told us we had to keep focussed at the back and try to finish them off but everything went wrong in the second half.” Not bad advice really is it??? Glad to see the players taking a bit of responsibility - unlike the moronic fans who think if we sack our manager (I've yet to see anyone come up with a decent idea for a replacement by the way), we will fly into European contention. Those who harp on back to the Kidd days. Should have stuck with Hodgson in hindsight shouldn't we!

you seem to forget,jack walker sacked him,(roy) and he was paying the gas,and elecrtic bills,oh and spending his own millions !!!!i think jack had the write dont you ?

BandB - dO you mean Write or Right or Wight in Woy's case - lol

30 YEARS AND COUNTING!

why is it that if we are not behind ince we are NOT TRUE FANS !first of all it sounds bloody childish some you.....i pay my money just like the rest of you ,and the last time i looked,we lived in a free country,but as me and others dont like whats going,some of you seem to think we are 2nd class,some of with your name calling are like spoilt bratts,if you dont like mr ince anymore or you do like mr ince,thats your opinion,but please grow up,and allow people to say what they think,without them been not in the TRUE FAN BRIGADE !..its true fans who dont want the club to go down,lets agree on that eh !!!!

bed and breakfast man ! wrote:

Miller11 wrote: “We knew the next goal would be important - we knew we had to try and be the team that got it. The manager told us we had to keep focussed at the back and try to finish them off but everything went wrong in the second half.” Not bad advice really is it??? Glad to see the players taking a bit of responsibility - unlike the moronic fans who think if we sack our manager (I've yet to see anyone come up with a decent idea for a replacement by the way), we will fly into European contention. Those who harp on back to the Kidd days. Should have stuck with Hodgson in hindsight shouldn't we!

you seem to forget,jack walker sacked him,(roy) and he was paying the gas,and elecrtic bills,oh and spending his own millions !!!!i think jack had the write dont you ?

No, I didn't forget....

It's just completely irrelevant!

Fact of the matter is it was a bad decision, whoever made it. Just don't want to see us doing it again!

It's not 'worse start'
It's 'worst start'
It's in the story twice and it's so basic I wonder where on earth the LET get these people. The other day it was Wierside! And to think someone else has probably read it before it went on the website.
Ince: worrying isn't it? He can only have a few games left.

Miller11 wrote:

bed and breakfast man ! wrote:

Miller11 wrote: “We knew the next goal would be important - we knew we had to try and be the team that got it. The manager told us we had to keep focussed at the back and try to finish them off but everything went wrong in the second half.” Not bad advice really is it??? Glad to see the players taking a bit of responsibility - unlike the moronic fans who think if we sack our manager (I've yet to see anyone come up with a decent idea for a replacement by the way), we will fly into European contention. Those who harp on back to the Kidd days. Should have stuck with Hodgson in hindsight shouldn't we!

you seem to forget,jack walker sacked him,(roy) and he was paying the gas,and elecrtic bills,oh and spending his own millions !!!!i think jack had the write dont you ?

No, I didn't forget.... It's just completely irrelevant! Fact of the matter is it was a bad decision, whoever made it. Just don't want to see us doing it again!

you brought it up (roy)it seems jack knew something that you and me didnt know,thats why he sacked him....and to me brian kidd was a good number 2,some people are ,try there hand at been a manager and fail,that was brian kidd. as for paul ince he has had good results in the lower leugue,and has i have said before the board have got to take some of the blame getting cought up in the YOUNG ENGLISH MANAGER thing.....its not that his past record is bad but i think the premiership has come too soon,and its just a shame he came here,for us to find out,and as some of you have said they will not rush to sack him,as it would show they BOOBED !saturday i felt sick after ,as it took me back to when we went down,but correct me if i wrong we played southampton on sat and lost and faced man u during the week and had to win,and in my heart of hearts,i knew we were religated, it will pi$$ me off if we go down and he walks away with a big pay day,he will not give two monkeys ,as it will be onwards and upwards for him...

bed and breakfast man ! wrote:
why is it that if we are not behind ince we are NOT TRUE FANS !first of all it sounds bloody childish some you.....i pay my money just like the rest of you ,and the last time i looked,we lived in a free country,but as me and others dont like whats going,some of you seem to think we are 2nd class,some of with your name calling are like spoilt bratts,if you dont like mr ince anymore or you do like mr ince,thats your opinion,but please grow up,and allow people to say what they think,without them been not in the TRUE FAN BRIGADE !..its true fans who dont want the club to go down,lets agree on that eh !!!!

It aint that you aren't true fans, its that you aren't really supporting your team in the true sense of the word. Supporters support their team whatever, not turn on them or the manager in a difficult patch. I agree, none of us want the club to go down, but this senseless criticism and Ince out brigade isn't really helping in the slightest. Everything could look different in a couple of weeks (as it has at Bolton) no doubt you will all change your mind then, like i said, fickle.

There are some better things about Rovers this season-the corner huddle routine seems to be creating some confusion with some teams and there has been a tendency for less long ball, However, the most worrying aspect was both the manager and his assistant could not finger what went wrong in the second half. Sunderland simply changed tactics (1) Expose Oujer-always push him onto his standing left foot; (2) Expose Simpson (no protection in front of him down right); (3) Move the ball quicker in midfield-there's only the fifth and sixth choice midfielders in there -and both have a tendency to lunge and misplace passes;(4) Surround Robo at corners ; (5) Let Zurab distribute the ball-give him time to lob it down the middle.

it aint that i dont support the team,club i do but not way he is going about things write now !!!if things dont change,and i know they can,but if they dont will you still be in the ince camp then ?because if he becomes a dead man walking,so to speak,who will be ficle then ? some of us might then say,TOLD YOU SO,but i would then not call you fickle,as it does sound a little childish in certain context,it could be said some of us could see it coming !but if i am wrong i will come on hear and say sorry !!but if after christmas we are still in the doo doo,how many will say ,yep he should have gone when we had chance!any way ,true blue keep going....

I think much depends on who we get back into the team and how soon. I believe we will turn it round, but it may get worse before it gets better. I agree we need Warnock at left back, but with Reid, Emerton, Dunn and Grella out (and Vogel not match fit according to Radio Rovers) Ince does not have too many options.

Last season our home form was below par at times: we did not look like scoring from open play against a highly motivated but poor Sunderland last December (now with Cisse up front they can be more of a threat.) We had lost at home to West Ham previously, conceded FIVE in our first ever defeat away at Wigan, and after Sunderland we were humiliated by Coventry - showing the lack of depth in the squad. Now with so many injuries we are testing the squad-strength again.

Whilst this is now Ince's problem, I don't believe he should be scapegoated for it. Nor was it Hughes' fault - we are on a budget and we will need to make the best of it.