Blackburn Rovers boss Gary Bowyer criticises his side's defending - and officials - after Wolves loss

Gary Bowyer

Gary Bowyer

First published in Sport Blackburn Citizen: Photograph of the Author by , Blackburn Rovers reporter

BLACKBURN Rovers boss Gary Bowyer lamented his side’s defending in their disappointing 3-1 defeat at resurgent Wolves yesterday.

But he also took umbrage with the officials who he felt missed a foul on Craig Conway in the lead up to Wolves’ second goal.

“We can’t keep coming away from home and conceding soft goals,” said Bowyer.

“There’s no point saying we had the lion’s share of possession, that we’ve played well and that we’ve been the more dominant team and be talking about losing three points.

“The very first cross that they put into our box they score from. We should have defended it better, there is no doubt about that.

“Then their goalie has made a fantastic save from Ben Marshall and another couple of saves.

“Then there’s a free kick not given right in front of the bench when Craig Conway gets fouled. They go down the other end and he gives a free kick to them and they score from it.

“So to be 2-0 down at half-time, I thought it was harsh.

“In the second half we had the majority of the play and once we get it to 2-1 Wolves were the team that were playing counter-attack football.

“But unfortunately we’ve conceded another soft goal.”

The loss left Rovers 14th in the early Championship standings going into the international break with seven points from a possible 15 whereas Kenny Jackett’s promoted team are flying high in third after four wins out of five.

Wolves boss Jackett said: “I’ve got a lot of respect for Gary Bowyer and the job he’s done so for us to take them on and beat them 3-1 is a very good achievement.

“It was never going to be easy and we worked hard to do it.

“I felt Blackburn were an excellent side and we should be very pleased with ourselves that we’ve beaten them.

“It was quite even to start with. We got into a two-goal lead and then in the second half their wide men were coming inside and finding the pockets and finding the holes.

“Without necessarily cutting us open and making clear-cut chances, they had a lot of possession and it was uncomfortable for us.

“In those circumstances you have to defend and you have to defend very well.

“When we did go narrow and forced them wide it was easier for us to intercept and we did have a threat on the break."

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12:34pm Sun 31 Aug 14

xrayspex77 says...

Don't start blaming the officials again Gary, the fact is that the goal came from a poor midfield pass.
Don't start blaming the officials again Gary, the fact is that the goal came from a poor midfield pass. xrayspex77
  • Score: 30

12:41pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Dave.RTID says...

The officials where awful again. Lots of poor decisions. Countless times the referee was caught up in play, making a few decent interceptions. However we shouldn't use this as an excuse. Maybe just a contributing factor. ;)
The officials where awful again. Lots of poor decisions. Countless times the referee was caught up in play, making a few decent interceptions. However we shouldn't use this as an excuse. Maybe just a contributing factor. ;) Dave.RTID
  • Score: 18

12:41pm Sun 31 Aug 14

merlinmills says...

Its your poor defensivr tatics bowyer thats creating all the ptoblems. Time for you to go
Its your poor defensivr tatics bowyer thats creating all the ptoblems. Time for you to go merlinmills
  • Score: 1

12:57pm Sun 31 Aug 14

cowabunga says...

HA HA HA Bowyer what a plank you are, it had nothing to do with the officials they were simply the better team SIMPLES.
HA HA HA Bowyer what a plank you are, it had nothing to do with the officials they were simply the better team SIMPLES. cowabunga
  • Score: -3

1:11pm Sun 31 Aug 14

darwen1946 says...

We need a Manager !!
We need a Manager !! darwen1946
  • Score: 2

1:15pm Sun 31 Aug 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

I am starting to feel sorry for Venkys because managers keep going out there convincing them that is essential to part with more money if want to achieve promotion. But at the same these same individuals have not the ability or tactical awareness to gain promotion themselves no matter how much money they are given
I am starting to feel sorry for Venkys because managers keep going out there convincing them that is essential to part with more money if want to achieve promotion. But at the same these same individuals have not the ability or tactical awareness to gain promotion themselves no matter how much money they are given A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 17

1:23pm Sun 31 Aug 14

crankitup says...

here we go again Gary....Blah, blah, blah.....you cant keep blaming the officials for what was another poor performance from YOUR team, when will you ever stand up and take it on the chin Gary.

I hope you read these comments Gary because you are very quick to take the praise when you we win but a bit slow to take the blame when we lose.

Promotion seems to be fading into another pipe dream, a mediocre team can achieve 20 points from 10 game and we don't even look good enough to get there....

you're not a bad guy but you're not a good manager either....there seems to be very little motivation in the team, you would make a good assistant manager to someone who demands respect from the squad instead of treating them like a bunch of your mates.....is it time for you to step down...I don't know.....but the way we're going we will not reach 20 points from 10 games the something drastic needs to happen if we're to stand any chance of promotion.....yes we're only 4 league games into the season.....but 4 will soon become 5 and 5 will soon be six and before you know we will be in the silly season and still looking up.....
here we go again Gary....Blah, blah, blah.....you cant keep blaming the officials for what was another poor performance from YOUR team, when will you ever stand up and take it on the chin Gary. I hope you read these comments Gary because you are very quick to take the praise when you we win but a bit slow to take the blame when we lose. Promotion seems to be fading into another pipe dream, a mediocre team can achieve 20 points from 10 game and we don't even look good enough to get there.... you're not a bad guy but you're not a good manager either....there seems to be very little motivation in the team, you would make a good assistant manager to someone who demands respect from the squad instead of treating them like a bunch of your mates.....is it time for you to step down...I don't know.....but the way we're going we will not reach 20 points from 10 games the something drastic needs to happen if we're to stand any chance of promotion.....yes we're only 4 league games into the season.....but 4 will soon become 5 and 5 will soon be six and before you know we will be in the silly season and still looking up..... crankitup
  • Score: 17

1:28pm Sun 31 Aug 14

crankitup says...

sorry 5 games into the season....but the fact still remains
sorry 5 games into the season....but the fact still remains crankitup
  • Score: -5

1:29pm Sun 31 Aug 14

FCBurnley says...

Keep up the great work Gary. We love ya
Keep up the great work Gary. We love ya FCBurnley
  • Score: -14

1:31pm Sun 31 Aug 14

eddyo says...

GB comes across as too soft to me and has pitiful excuses after every poor result. Mainly you get what you deserve and to blame others is limp.
*
Will the two teams that get automatic promotion this season concede 3 goals in a game? No.
GB comes across as too soft to me and has pitiful excuses after every poor result. Mainly you get what you deserve and to blame others is limp. * Will the two teams that get automatic promotion this season concede 3 goals in a game? No. eddyo
  • Score: 22

1:36pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Bill Carson says...

We are where we are and two defeats in five is a reality check. Yet again GB's team selection and tactics failed. The inability to hold a 3-nil lead last week and ship another three goals this time speaks volumes. So, we had a good run at the end of last season when it was virtually impossible to make the play-offs and there was no real pressure to do so. Now's when it counts and he still can't pick his best eleven in the right positions?!! At this rate we won't even be in contention.
We are where we are and two defeats in five is a reality check. Yet again GB's team selection and tactics failed. The inability to hold a 3-nil lead last week and ship another three goals this time speaks volumes. So, we had a good run at the end of last season when it was virtually impossible to make the play-offs and there was no real pressure to do so. Now's when it counts and he still can't pick his best eleven in the right positions?!! At this rate we won't even be in contention. Bill Carson
  • Score: 30

1:45pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Ewood_Mark says...

The gift that just keeps on giving

Keep up the good work Bowyer
The gift that just keeps on giving Keep up the good work Bowyer Ewood_Mark
  • Score: -12

2:30pm Sun 31 Aug 14

steralc says...

Your doomed
Doomed I tell thee
Doomed
Your doomed Doomed I tell thee Doomed steralc
  • Score: -3

2:44pm Sun 31 Aug 14

BlackburnRoversFC f*****g hate burnley says...

Williamson is not good enough bowyer when will you realise that...
Williamson is not good enough bowyer when will you realise that... BlackburnRoversFC f*****g hate burnley
  • Score: 19

2:45pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mark anthony says...

You need to stop blaming the officials you will end up making a rod for your own back start by sorting your midfield and defence out time waites for no one
You need to stop blaming the officials you will end up making a rod for your own back start by sorting your midfield and defence out time waites for no one mark anthony
  • Score: 17

2:58pm Sun 31 Aug 14

jussy1307 says...

Yawn yawn gary its always someone elses fault, go now with the last bit of dignity youve got, thanks for what youve done for brfc, but unfortunately your not the man to take us any further, you will end up like steve keane otherwise and I wouldn't whish that on you, your a nice chap but time for you to throw the towel in......
Yawn yawn gary its always someone elses fault, go now with the last bit of dignity youve got, thanks for what youve done for brfc, but unfortunately your not the man to take us any further, you will end up like steve keane otherwise and I wouldn't whish that on you, your a nice chap but time for you to throw the towel in...... jussy1307
  • Score: 18

3:10pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mjp 53 says...

cowabunga wrote:
HA HA HA Bowyer what a plank you are, it had nothing to do with the officials they were simply the better team SIMPLES.
Promotion, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
[quote][p][bold]cowabunga[/bold] wrote: HA HA HA Bowyer what a plank you are, it had nothing to do with the officials they were simply the better team SIMPLES.[/p][/quote]Promotion, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. mjp 53
  • Score: 0

3:11pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mjp 53 says...

darwen1946 wrote:
We need a Manager !!
Owen Coyle's free, lol.
[quote][p][bold]darwen1946[/bold] wrote: We need a Manager !![/p][/quote]Owen Coyle's free, lol. mjp 53
  • Score: 1

3:21pm Sun 31 Aug 14

cambsroverstew says...

Gary gay gary you cant blame the officials every time lose man up and take responability for getting it tactically wrong earn you more RESPECT
Gary gay gary you cant blame the officials every time lose man up and take responability for getting it tactically wrong earn you more RESPECT cambsroverstew
  • Score: 0

4:08pm Sun 31 Aug 14

johnwolf says...

Man up bowyer and admit you were beaten by the better team on the day and by three good well worked goals.
As for the officials you had the ref in your back pocket, the two linesmen were your 12/13 men.
So simple message bowyer **** off!
Man up bowyer and admit you were beaten by the better team on the day and by three good well worked goals. As for the officials you had the ref in your back pocket, the two linesmen were your 12/13 men. So simple message bowyer **** off! johnwolf
  • Score: 1

4:09pm Sun 31 Aug 14

dangerous dave says...

Boyer your a joke its always the officials fault for defeat 10 goals against already and more of the same rubbish to come as last season. And the venkyd say their aim is the premiership not with this team or you in charge.
out with the cowboys and indians
Boyer your a joke its always the officials fault for defeat 10 goals against already and more of the same rubbish to come as last season. And the venkyd say their aim is the premiership not with this team or you in charge. out with the cowboys and indians dangerous dave
  • Score: -6

4:36pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

Troll fest, on you go then Troll.
Why dont you save yourself a lot of typing and just keep copying and pasting the same comments over and over, you know Bowyer out etc, Rhodes for saleBowyer tactically inept etc...oh hang on a minute...
Or just frk off until the end of the season when we know if we have succeeded or failed.
If the a latter then you can have a i told you so party, if its the former we wont hear from you anyway
Troll fest, on you go then Troll. Why dont you save yourself a lot of typing and just keep copying and pasting the same comments over and over, you know Bowyer out etc, Rhodes for saleBowyer tactically inept etc...oh hang on a minute... Or just frk off until the end of the season when we know if we have succeeded or failed. If the a latter then you can have a i told you so party, if its the former we wont hear from you anyway Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 10

4:39pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mushypeaman says...

What weary defending again. 10 goals conceded already this season. How can Bowyer keep picking Williamson to play. He shouldn't even be on the bench.
Please stop blaming officials - don't you think your team selection and tactics might be a contributing feature.
What weary defending again. 10 goals conceded already this season. How can Bowyer keep picking Williamson to play. He shouldn't even be on the bench. Please stop blaming officials - don't you think your team selection and tactics might be a contributing feature. mushypeaman
  • Score: 16

4:42pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Captain Dreckley says...

Sounds like the return of Steve Kean. Same incompetent tactics. Save our season Bowyer out
Sounds like the return of Steve Kean. Same incompetent tactics. Save our season Bowyer out Captain Dreckley
  • Score: 6

5:04pm Sun 31 Aug 14

owd nick says...

The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals"

I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?"

One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal.

How many times has that happened?

One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to.

We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up.

That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility.

Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?".

Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence.

If he isn't fit why is he on the bench?

That's your fault, not the referee's.

Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away.

But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.
The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals" I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?" One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal. How many times has that happened? One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to. We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up. That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility. Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?". Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence. If he isn't fit why is he on the bench? That's your fault, not the referee's. Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away. But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years. owd nick
  • Score: 29

5:05pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Coach123 says...

The problem was, Setting up with 4-5-1 with Henley at LB! After o'connell s season last year on loan I would have liked to have seen him in that role. Henley never looked to go forward kept going back time after time and also caught out in no mans land a few times. Either 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 with three CBS would have been better! All or nothing! The fans don't want to see long balls to a stranded striker who has no one playing off him.

Tactically to weak. Try to be more attacking like we did at times last season. Concede 3 and score 4 is better than not scoring!

Sort it out ASAP or this season is wasted before its even got going!
The problem was, Setting up with 4-5-1 with Henley at LB! After o'connell s season last year on loan I would have liked to have seen him in that role. Henley never looked to go forward kept going back time after time and also caught out in no mans land a few times. Either 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 with three CBS would have been better! All or nothing! The fans don't want to see long balls to a stranded striker who has no one playing off him. Tactically to weak. Try to be more attacking like we did at times last season. Concede 3 and score 4 is better than not scoring! Sort it out ASAP or this season is wasted before its even got going! Coach123
  • Score: 12

5:07pm Sun 31 Aug 14

AnotherPounding4Burnley says...

Shane duffy will make the world of diference to Rovers. We at Burnley on the other hand will remain in the bottom three all season because we are pants and sign nothing but sh1te
Shane duffy will make the world of diference to Rovers. We at Burnley on the other hand will remain in the bottom three all season because we are pants and sign nothing but sh1te AnotherPounding4Burnley
  • Score: -2

5:14pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Captain Dreckley says...

AnotherPounding4Burn
ley
wrote:
Shane duffy will make the world of diference to Rovers. We at Burnley on the other hand will remain in the bottom three all season because we are pants and sign nothing but sh1te
But Ings is setting the premiership alight and we have already achieved our highlight for the whole season, a nil nil draw at home to Utd!
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: Shane duffy will make the world of diference to Rovers. We at Burnley on the other hand will remain in the bottom three all season because we are pants and sign nothing but sh1te[/p][/quote]But Ings is setting the premiership alight and we have already achieved our highlight for the whole season, a nil nil draw at home to Utd! Captain Dreckley
  • Score: -9

5:15pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.
This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 13

5:15pm Sun 31 Aug 14

MatthewCA says...

Criticises officials for what, Our own defensive mistake causes the trouble.
Not well reason -Killa, King, Gestede, Ollson stay out and shape of the game changes. It happen in GB's game plan always. It shows how poor is our bench and we cannot go like this to top of the table.

Lowe, Williamson and Henley is not playing 100%, there is no ruthless effort or clear the ball and get safe in the back, but we got all the yellow card in this game and we lost 3 points.

Lucky we got a penalty approved in this game, where Jordan came inside the box and make it difficult to clear the ball. Good work by Jordan in the counter attack.
Criticises officials for what, Our own defensive mistake causes the trouble. Not well reason -Killa, King, Gestede, Ollson stay out and shape of the game changes. It happen in GB's game plan always. It shows how poor is our bench and we cannot go like this to top of the table. Lowe, Williamson and Henley is not playing 100%, there is no ruthless effort or clear the ball and get safe in the back, but we got all the yellow card in this game and we lost 3 points. Lucky we got a penalty approved in this game, where Jordan came inside the box and make it difficult to clear the ball. Good work by Jordan in the counter attack. MatthewCA
  • Score: 6

5:28pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

johnwolf wrote:
Man up bowyer and admit you were beaten by the better team on the day and by three good well worked goals.
As for the officials you had the ref in your back pocket, the two linesmen were your 12/13 men.
So simple message bowyer **** off!
Brilliant, ONLY a Troll could have written such arrant nonsense
[quote][p][bold]johnwolf[/bold] wrote: Man up bowyer and admit you were beaten by the better team on the day and by three good well worked goals. As for the officials you had the ref in your back pocket, the two linesmen were your 12/13 men. So simple message bowyer **** off![/p][/quote]Brilliant, ONLY a Troll could have written such arrant nonsense Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 2

5:31pm Sun 31 Aug 14

BlackburnRoversFC f*****g hate burnley says...

FCBurnley wrote:
Keep up the great work Gary. We love ya
Retard your coming back to the championship...
[quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: Keep up the great work Gary. We love ya[/p][/quote]Retard your coming back to the championship... BlackburnRoversFC f*****g hate burnley
  • Score: 1

5:35pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

Captain Dreckley wrote:
Sounds like the return of Steve Kean. Same incompetent tactics. Save our season Bowyer out
Most stupid post of the week award to you Captain
[quote][p][bold]Captain Dreckley[/bold] wrote: Sounds like the return of Steve Kean. Same incompetent tactics. Save our season Bowyer out[/p][/quote]Most stupid post of the week award to you Captain Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 5

5:43pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.
Well, I would rather poke my own eyes out with the proverbial sharp stick than have back stabber Sherwood any where near Ewood. A more dishonourable man would be hard to find
What are his qualifications to being an experienced manager?
Do tell AA
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.[/p][/quote]Well, I would rather poke my own eyes out with the proverbial sharp stick than have back stabber Sherwood any where near Ewood. A more dishonourable man would be hard to find What are his qualifications to being an experienced manager? Do tell AA Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 11

5:46pm Sun 31 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

Whinge, moan, sob.

Same old story isn't it Bowyer.

You're a joke.

Bowyer OUT!
Whinge, moan, sob. Same old story isn't it Bowyer. You're a joke. Bowyer OUT! TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -2

5:46pm Sun 31 Aug 14

blazerafe says...

Whats the point in a comments section, week in week out its either a massive argument against burnley or every single person pointing out the problems.

Our opinions don't matter, its not like Bowyer will ever come and read them and yet everyone can see the glaring problems smack bang in the face but him. I would really love to just sit down with him for a good 5 mins and make him understand that there are some REALLY **** players still at the club.

Week in week out we concede a stupid amount of goals, i cant remember the last time we managed to get four or five clean sheets on the trot, there has really only been two constants within the team the last few years Robbo (despite his injury's) and Hanley. Robbo is too old, he flaps and faffs at the simplest of balls, unlike say Almunia who at Watford had a few good seasons around Robbo's age he is simply past it. His wages must be extortion too. Hanley.....if he is unable to get his giant head onto the ball we may as well give up, his debut month or so saw him give away 5 penalties and whilst that has curbed now, he is nothing better than average. Yet he has been made our captain, which is beyond me.

Having makeshift RB's and CB's is useless as well, they will never adapt to the position in a short period of time and unless done towards the tail end of the season you will just end up losing points due to their inexperience and errors they will undoubtedly make. I will never forget watching Swansea V Blackburn a few seasons ago when Pedersen was forced to play at LB, every time Swansea attacked he was stuck out of position in MF, where he of course is naturally used to. Lowe is a central player so asking him to play on the right is pointless, they train in their comfortable positions for a reason.

My massive grievance is every game we have to play DM and DM and DM (including Lowe at RB) When you have 6 players behind the ball people get in each others way. It screws up the entire marking system Zonal or Man, because the extra bodies give defenders stupid ideas. Simply put there is not enough space, not to mention having Williamson playing is like having a plank of wood stuck in the pitch. Look at the points comparison between games where he has started and the games he hasnt, you will find that many more points have been amassed when hes out of the team. He is shocking, like incredibly shocking and yet he still gets played. Wouldn't surprise me if there's some sort of not playing clause in his contract.

There are no positives to take from a game where we got battered by a team that has just come up from L1 it doesnt matter who it is. GB needs to stop blaming the officials and just stop his players from half arsing around the field. Its getting pitiful, what good is having a spell like we did towards the end of last season if you throw it all away at the beginning.

Are we a team that looks like we could get promoted, honestly...HELL NO, and with the transfer window closing tomorrow night and the impending mathematically impossible to avoid transfer embargo it will be another monotonous season. I wish i was wrong, but the signs are there. We cant defend, we have key injuries already, 8 of our first 11 struggle to get the ball in the back of the net, we have no impact subs (we barely have subs) Lee Williamson, Lee Williamson and oh did i mention Lee Williamson (and Luke Varney) Portsmouth league 2 rejects and nothing more.
Whats the point in a comments section, week in week out its either a massive argument against burnley or every single person pointing out the problems. Our opinions don't matter, its not like Bowyer will ever come and read them and yet everyone can see the glaring problems smack bang in the face but him. I would really love to just sit down with him for a good 5 mins and make him understand that there are some REALLY **** players still at the club. Week in week out we concede a stupid amount of goals, i cant remember the last time we managed to get four or five clean sheets on the trot, there has really only been two constants within the team the last few years Robbo (despite his injury's) and Hanley. Robbo is too old, he flaps and faffs at the simplest of balls, unlike say Almunia who at Watford had a few good seasons around Robbo's age he is simply past it. His wages must be extortion too. Hanley.....if he is unable to get his giant head onto the ball we may as well give up, his debut month or so saw him give away 5 penalties and whilst that has curbed now, he is nothing better than average. Yet he has been made our captain, which is beyond me. Having makeshift RB's and CB's is useless as well, they will never adapt to the position in a short period of time and unless done towards the tail end of the season you will just end up losing points due to their inexperience and errors they will undoubtedly make. I will never forget watching Swansea V Blackburn a few seasons ago when Pedersen was forced to play at LB, every time Swansea attacked he was stuck out of position in MF, where he of course is naturally used to. Lowe is a central player so asking him to play on the right is pointless, they train in their comfortable positions for a reason. My massive grievance is every game we have to play DM and DM and DM (including Lowe at RB) When you have 6 players behind the ball people get in each others way. It screws up the entire marking system Zonal or Man, because the extra bodies give defenders stupid ideas. Simply put there is not enough space, not to mention having Williamson playing is like having a plank of wood stuck in the pitch. Look at the points comparison between games where he has started and the games he hasnt, you will find that many more points have been amassed when hes out of the team. He is shocking, like incredibly shocking and yet he still gets played. Wouldn't surprise me if there's some sort of not playing clause in his contract. There are no positives to take from a game where we got battered by a team that has just come up from L1 it doesnt matter who it is. GB needs to stop blaming the officials and just stop his players from half arsing around the field. Its getting pitiful, what good is having a spell like we did towards the end of last season if you throw it all away at the beginning. Are we a team that looks like we could get promoted, honestly...HELL NO, and with the transfer window closing tomorrow night and the impending mathematically impossible to avoid transfer embargo it will be another monotonous season. I wish i was wrong, but the signs are there. We cant defend, we have key injuries already, 8 of our first 11 struggle to get the ball in the back of the net, we have no impact subs (we barely have subs) Lee Williamson, Lee Williamson and oh did i mention Lee Williamson (and Luke Varney) Portsmouth league 2 rejects and nothing more. blazerafe
  • Score: 13

5:55pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

owd nick wrote:
The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals"

I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?"

One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal.

How many times has that happened?

One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to.

We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up.

That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility.

Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?".

Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence.

If he isn't fit why is he on the bench?

That's your fault, not the referee's.

Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away.

But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.
Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal.
Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side
We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals" I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?" One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal. How many times has that happened? One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to. We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up. That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility. Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?". Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence. If he isn't fit why is he on the bench? That's your fault, not the referee's. Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away. But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.[/p][/quote]Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal. Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 2

6:02pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

blazerafe wrote:
Whats the point in a comments section, week in week out its either a massive argument against burnley or every single person pointing out the problems.

Our opinions don't matter, its not like Bowyer will ever come and read them and yet everyone can see the glaring problems smack bang in the face but him. I would really love to just sit down with him for a good 5 mins and make him understand that there are some REALLY **** players still at the club.

Week in week out we concede a stupid amount of goals, i cant remember the last time we managed to get four or five clean sheets on the trot, there has really only been two constants within the team the last few years Robbo (despite his injury's) and Hanley. Robbo is too old, he flaps and faffs at the simplest of balls, unlike say Almunia who at Watford had a few good seasons around Robbo's age he is simply past it. His wages must be extortion too. Hanley.....if he is unable to get his giant head onto the ball we may as well give up, his debut month or so saw him give away 5 penalties and whilst that has curbed now, he is nothing better than average. Yet he has been made our captain, which is beyond me.

Having makeshift RB's and CB's is useless as well, they will never adapt to the position in a short period of time and unless done towards the tail end of the season you will just end up losing points due to their inexperience and errors they will undoubtedly make. I will never forget watching Swansea V Blackburn a few seasons ago when Pedersen was forced to play at LB, every time Swansea attacked he was stuck out of position in MF, where he of course is naturally used to. Lowe is a central player so asking him to play on the right is pointless, they train in their comfortable positions for a reason.

My massive grievance is every game we have to play DM and DM and DM (including Lowe at RB) When you have 6 players behind the ball people get in each others way. It screws up the entire marking system Zonal or Man, because the extra bodies give defenders stupid ideas. Simply put there is not enough space, not to mention having Williamson playing is like having a plank of wood stuck in the pitch. Look at the points comparison between games where he has started and the games he hasnt, you will find that many more points have been amassed when hes out of the team. He is shocking, like incredibly shocking and yet he still gets played. Wouldn't surprise me if there's some sort of not playing clause in his contract.

There are no positives to take from a game where we got battered by a team that has just come up from L1 it doesnt matter who it is. GB needs to stop blaming the officials and just stop his players from half arsing around the field. Its getting pitiful, what good is having a spell like we did towards the end of last season if you throw it all away at the beginning.

Are we a team that looks like we could get promoted, honestly...HELL NO, and with the transfer window closing tomorrow night and the impending mathematically impossible to avoid transfer embargo it will be another monotonous season. I wish i was wrong, but the signs are there. We cant defend, we have key injuries already, 8 of our first 11 struggle to get the ball in the back of the net, we have no impact subs (we barely have subs) Lee Williamson, Lee Williamson and oh did i mention Lee Williamson (and Luke Varney) Portsmouth league 2 rejects and nothing more.
FFS, we need tp make this man the Manager
Such insight
Such a command of tactics
Such an effing Troll.....
[quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: Whats the point in a comments section, week in week out its either a massive argument against burnley or every single person pointing out the problems. Our opinions don't matter, its not like Bowyer will ever come and read them and yet everyone can see the glaring problems smack bang in the face but him. I would really love to just sit down with him for a good 5 mins and make him understand that there are some REALLY **** players still at the club. Week in week out we concede a stupid amount of goals, i cant remember the last time we managed to get four or five clean sheets on the trot, there has really only been two constants within the team the last few years Robbo (despite his injury's) and Hanley. Robbo is too old, he flaps and faffs at the simplest of balls, unlike say Almunia who at Watford had a few good seasons around Robbo's age he is simply past it. His wages must be extortion too. Hanley.....if he is unable to get his giant head onto the ball we may as well give up, his debut month or so saw him give away 5 penalties and whilst that has curbed now, he is nothing better than average. Yet he has been made our captain, which is beyond me. Having makeshift RB's and CB's is useless as well, they will never adapt to the position in a short period of time and unless done towards the tail end of the season you will just end up losing points due to their inexperience and errors they will undoubtedly make. I will never forget watching Swansea V Blackburn a few seasons ago when Pedersen was forced to play at LB, every time Swansea attacked he was stuck out of position in MF, where he of course is naturally used to. Lowe is a central player so asking him to play on the right is pointless, they train in their comfortable positions for a reason. My massive grievance is every game we have to play DM and DM and DM (including Lowe at RB) When you have 6 players behind the ball people get in each others way. It screws up the entire marking system Zonal or Man, because the extra bodies give defenders stupid ideas. Simply put there is not enough space, not to mention having Williamson playing is like having a plank of wood stuck in the pitch. Look at the points comparison between games where he has started and the games he hasnt, you will find that many more points have been amassed when hes out of the team. He is shocking, like incredibly shocking and yet he still gets played. Wouldn't surprise me if there's some sort of not playing clause in his contract. There are no positives to take from a game where we got battered by a team that has just come up from L1 it doesnt matter who it is. GB needs to stop blaming the officials and just stop his players from half arsing around the field. Its getting pitiful, what good is having a spell like we did towards the end of last season if you throw it all away at the beginning. Are we a team that looks like we could get promoted, honestly...HELL NO, and with the transfer window closing tomorrow night and the impending mathematically impossible to avoid transfer embargo it will be another monotonous season. I wish i was wrong, but the signs are there. We cant defend, we have key injuries already, 8 of our first 11 struggle to get the ball in the back of the net, we have no impact subs (we barely have subs) Lee Williamson, Lee Williamson and oh did i mention Lee Williamson (and Luke Varney) Portsmouth league 2 rejects and nothing more.[/p][/quote]FFS, we need tp make this man the Manager Such insight Such a command of tactics Such an effing Troll..... Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: -2

6:30pm Sun 31 Aug 14

jussy1307 says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.
Good post, totally agree...
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.[/p][/quote]Good post, totally agree... jussy1307
  • Score: 0

6:33pm Sun 31 Aug 14

themaltaman says...

Well Venkys if you can't see that Bowyer isn't the man to take Rovers further, just sell up and f--- o--- .
Well Venkys if you can't see that Bowyer isn't the man to take Rovers further, just sell up and f--- o--- . themaltaman
  • Score: -3

6:36pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.
Well, I would rather poke my own eyes out with the proverbial sharp stick than have back stabber Sherwood any where near Ewood. A more dishonourable man would be hard to find
What are his qualifications to being an experienced manager?
Do tell AA
Firstly, he was an inspirational leader on the pitch in our premiership winning side. Second, he has served a very solid coaching apprenticeship at Tottenham, one of the country's top Premiership clubs. Third, when given the managerial role he displayed the courage to make unpopular decisions, the passion to motivate a disillusioned team and he produced a set of results that were better than his predecessor and eventual successor. I have never said he is an experienced manager but this might surprise you: experienced managers gain their experience by managing.
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.[/p][/quote]Well, I would rather poke my own eyes out with the proverbial sharp stick than have back stabber Sherwood any where near Ewood. A more dishonourable man would be hard to find What are his qualifications to being an experienced manager? Do tell AA[/p][/quote]Firstly, he was an inspirational leader on the pitch in our premiership winning side. Second, he has served a very solid coaching apprenticeship at Tottenham, one of the country's top Premiership clubs. Third, when given the managerial role he displayed the courage to make unpopular decisions, the passion to motivate a disillusioned team and he produced a set of results that were better than his predecessor and eventual successor. I have never said he is an experienced manager but this might surprise you: experienced managers gain their experience by managing. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 6

7:29pm Sun 31 Aug 14

kazluvsrovers says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.
Well, I would rather poke my own eyes out with the proverbial sharp stick than have back stabber Sherwood any where near Ewood. A more dishonourable man would be hard to find
What are his qualifications to being an experienced manager?
Do tell AA
Wonder what David Moyes is up to these days?
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.[/p][/quote]Well, I would rather poke my own eyes out with the proverbial sharp stick than have back stabber Sherwood any where near Ewood. A more dishonourable man would be hard to find What are his qualifications to being an experienced manager? Do tell AA[/p][/quote]Wonder what David Moyes is up to these days? kazluvsrovers
  • Score: 0

7:39pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.
Actually, thats exactly what it is.......
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.[/p][/quote]Actually, thats exactly what it is....... Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: -2

7:53pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.
Well, I would rather poke my own eyes out with the proverbial sharp stick than have back stabber Sherwood any where near Ewood. A more dishonourable man would be hard to find
What are his qualifications to being an experienced manager?
Do tell AA
Firstly, he was an inspirational leader on the pitch in our premiership winning side. Second, he has served a very solid coaching apprenticeship at Tottenham, one of the country's top Premiership clubs. Third, when given the managerial role he displayed the courage to make unpopular decisions, the passion to motivate a disillusioned team and he produced a set of results that were better than his predecessor and eventual successor. I have never said he is an experienced manager but this might surprise you: experienced managers gain their experience by managing.
Exactly what GB is doing, but you want him to get it 100% right 200% of the time...
And Sherwood got sacked, however you dress it up
And his stabbing of Roy Hodgson was a dreadful act of treachery at a time when Rovers needed to move on from Kenny. That act probably led to us being where we are now, ultimately.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.[/p][/quote]Well, I would rather poke my own eyes out with the proverbial sharp stick than have back stabber Sherwood any where near Ewood. A more dishonourable man would be hard to find What are his qualifications to being an experienced manager? Do tell AA[/p][/quote]Firstly, he was an inspirational leader on the pitch in our premiership winning side. Second, he has served a very solid coaching apprenticeship at Tottenham, one of the country's top Premiership clubs. Third, when given the managerial role he displayed the courage to make unpopular decisions, the passion to motivate a disillusioned team and he produced a set of results that were better than his predecessor and eventual successor. I have never said he is an experienced manager but this might surprise you: experienced managers gain their experience by managing.[/p][/quote]Exactly what GB is doing, but you want him to get it 100% right 200% of the time... And Sherwood got sacked, however you dress it up And his stabbing of Roy Hodgson was a dreadful act of treachery at a time when Rovers needed to move on from Kenny. That act probably led to us being where we are now, ultimately. Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 0

7:59pm Sun 31 Aug 14

MikeD says...

I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.
I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair. MikeD
  • Score: 3

8:04pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

That's a pretty imaginative re write of history. Even if Sherwood did bring Hodgson down he has been proved right hasn't he. Did you happen to watch the World Cup? If you want to blame anybody for the post Dalglish era you might want to start with St. Kenny himself.
I agree that GB is gaining experience but it isn't improving his judgement or motivational qualities.
That's a pretty imaginative re write of history. Even if Sherwood did bring Hodgson down he has been proved right hasn't he. Did you happen to watch the World Cup? If you want to blame anybody for the post Dalglish era you might want to start with St. Kenny himself. I agree that GB is gaining experience but it isn't improving his judgement or motivational qualities. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 5

8:06pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.
Well, I would rather poke my own eyes out with the proverbial sharp stick than have back stabber Sherwood any where near Ewood. A more dishonourable man would be hard to find
What are his qualifications to being an experienced manager?
Do tell AA
Firstly, he was an inspirational leader on the pitch in our premiership winning side. Second, he has served a very solid coaching apprenticeship at Tottenham, one of the country's top Premiership clubs. Third, when given the managerial role he displayed the courage to make unpopular decisions, the passion to motivate a disillusioned team and he produced a set of results that were better than his predecessor and eventual successor. I have never said he is an experienced manager but this might surprise you: experienced managers gain their experience by managing.
Exactly what GB is doing, but you want him to get it 100% right 200% of the time...
And Sherwood got sacked, however you dress it up
And his stabbing of Roy Hodgson was a dreadful act of treachery at a time when Rovers needed to move on from Kenny. That act probably led to us being where we are now, ultimately.
That's a pretty imaginative re write of history. Even if Sherwood did bring Hodgson down he has been proved right hasn't he. Did you happen to watch the World Cup? If you want to blame anybody for the post Dalglish era you might want to start with St. Kenny himself.
I agree that GB is gaining experience but it isn't improving his judgement or motivational qualities.
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: This is not a Bowyer witch hunt but he has had over a season now to establish his credentials. He did a pretty good job in stabilising the squad last season but his insistence on selecting players of the quality of Henley and Williamson must lead us to question his judgement. I am not calling for him to be sacked but I don't believe he is the long term solution. The problem is, without a short term solution we might not have a long term. We have an above average squad and are achieving below average results. The manager must take responsibility for this and the board should be constantly reviewing their options. Personally, I admired Tim Sherwood's passion at Spurs last season and would love to see him back here with GB alongside.[/p][/quote]Well, I would rather poke my own eyes out with the proverbial sharp stick than have back stabber Sherwood any where near Ewood. A more dishonourable man would be hard to find What are his qualifications to being an experienced manager? Do tell AA[/p][/quote]Firstly, he was an inspirational leader on the pitch in our premiership winning side. Second, he has served a very solid coaching apprenticeship at Tottenham, one of the country's top Premiership clubs. Third, when given the managerial role he displayed the courage to make unpopular decisions, the passion to motivate a disillusioned team and he produced a set of results that were better than his predecessor and eventual successor. I have never said he is an experienced manager but this might surprise you: experienced managers gain their experience by managing.[/p][/quote]Exactly what GB is doing, but you want him to get it 100% right 200% of the time... And Sherwood got sacked, however you dress it up And his stabbing of Roy Hodgson was a dreadful act of treachery at a time when Rovers needed to move on from Kenny. That act probably led to us being where we are now, ultimately.[/p][/quote]That's a pretty imaginative re write of history. Even if Sherwood did bring Hodgson down he has been proved right hasn't he. Did you happen to watch the World Cup? If you want to blame anybody for the post Dalglish era you might want to start with St. Kenny himself. I agree that GB is gaining experience but it isn't improving his judgement or motivational qualities. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 3

8:17pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

MikeD wrote:
I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.
Grow a pair? Grow a pair?? ( you said it twice )
Any coward can sit back and accept the unacceptable but it takes balls to stand up against fellow supporters and point out the inadequacies of a popular man.
I am not calling for his head and I am not going to be drawn into doing so but I happen to believe that there are certain qualities missing in GB's profile. For a start, nine years as a youth team coach hardly screams self confidence and ambition.
Of course he should not be sacked but the board has a responsibility to look at other options if he continues to underperform with this squad.
Now please excuse me whilst I plonk my balls in a wheelbarrow and get a beer from the fridge.
[quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.[/p][/quote]Grow a pair? Grow a pair?? ( you said it twice ) Any coward can sit back and accept the unacceptable but it takes balls to stand up against fellow supporters and point out the inadequacies of a popular man. I am not calling for his head and I am not going to be drawn into doing so but I happen to believe that there are certain qualities missing in GB's profile. For a start, nine years as a youth team coach hardly screams self confidence and ambition. Of course he should not be sacked but the board has a responsibility to look at other options if he continues to underperform with this squad. Now please excuse me whilst I plonk my balls in a wheelbarrow and get a beer from the fridge. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: -1

8:50pm Sun 31 Aug 14

blazerafe says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
blazerafe wrote:
Whats the point in a comments section, week in week out its either a massive argument against burnley or every single person pointing out the problems.

Our opinions don't matter, its not like Bowyer will ever come and read them and yet everyone can see the glaring problems smack bang in the face but him. I would really love to just sit down with him for a good 5 mins and make him understand that there are some REALLY **** players still at the club.

Week in week out we concede a stupid amount of goals, i cant remember the last time we managed to get four or five clean sheets on the trot, there has really only been two constants within the team the last few years Robbo (despite his injury's) and Hanley. Robbo is too old, he flaps and faffs at the simplest of balls, unlike say Almunia who at Watford had a few good seasons around Robbo's age he is simply past it. His wages must be extortion too. Hanley.....if he is unable to get his giant head onto the ball we may as well give up, his debut month or so saw him give away 5 penalties and whilst that has curbed now, he is nothing better than average. Yet he has been made our captain, which is beyond me.

Having makeshift RB's and CB's is useless as well, they will never adapt to the position in a short period of time and unless done towards the tail end of the season you will just end up losing points due to their inexperience and errors they will undoubtedly make. I will never forget watching Swansea V Blackburn a few seasons ago when Pedersen was forced to play at LB, every time Swansea attacked he was stuck out of position in MF, where he of course is naturally used to. Lowe is a central player so asking him to play on the right is pointless, they train in their comfortable positions for a reason.

My massive grievance is every game we have to play DM and DM and DM (including Lowe at RB) When you have 6 players behind the ball people get in each others way. It screws up the entire marking system Zonal or Man, because the extra bodies give defenders stupid ideas. Simply put there is not enough space, not to mention having Williamson playing is like having a plank of wood stuck in the pitch. Look at the points comparison between games where he has started and the games he hasnt, you will find that many more points have been amassed when hes out of the team. He is shocking, like incredibly shocking and yet he still gets played. Wouldn't surprise me if there's some sort of not playing clause in his contract.

There are no positives to take from a game where we got battered by a team that has just come up from L1 it doesnt matter who it is. GB needs to stop blaming the officials and just stop his players from half arsing around the field. Its getting pitiful, what good is having a spell like we did towards the end of last season if you throw it all away at the beginning.

Are we a team that looks like we could get promoted, honestly...HELL NO, and with the transfer window closing tomorrow night and the impending mathematically impossible to avoid transfer embargo it will be another monotonous season. I wish i was wrong, but the signs are there. We cant defend, we have key injuries already, 8 of our first 11 struggle to get the ball in the back of the net, we have no impact subs (we barely have subs) Lee Williamson, Lee Williamson and oh did i mention Lee Williamson (and Luke Varney) Portsmouth league 2 rejects and nothing more.
FFS, we need tp make this man the Manager
Such insight
Such a command of tactics
Such an effing Troll.....
Its an opinion pal, were all entitled, although saying that it is more factual than fiction so....
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blazerafe[/bold] wrote: Whats the point in a comments section, week in week out its either a massive argument against burnley or every single person pointing out the problems. Our opinions don't matter, its not like Bowyer will ever come and read them and yet everyone can see the glaring problems smack bang in the face but him. I would really love to just sit down with him for a good 5 mins and make him understand that there are some REALLY **** players still at the club. Week in week out we concede a stupid amount of goals, i cant remember the last time we managed to get four or five clean sheets on the trot, there has really only been two constants within the team the last few years Robbo (despite his injury's) and Hanley. Robbo is too old, he flaps and faffs at the simplest of balls, unlike say Almunia who at Watford had a few good seasons around Robbo's age he is simply past it. His wages must be extortion too. Hanley.....if he is unable to get his giant head onto the ball we may as well give up, his debut month or so saw him give away 5 penalties and whilst that has curbed now, he is nothing better than average. Yet he has been made our captain, which is beyond me. Having makeshift RB's and CB's is useless as well, they will never adapt to the position in a short period of time and unless done towards the tail end of the season you will just end up losing points due to their inexperience and errors they will undoubtedly make. I will never forget watching Swansea V Blackburn a few seasons ago when Pedersen was forced to play at LB, every time Swansea attacked he was stuck out of position in MF, where he of course is naturally used to. Lowe is a central player so asking him to play on the right is pointless, they train in their comfortable positions for a reason. My massive grievance is every game we have to play DM and DM and DM (including Lowe at RB) When you have 6 players behind the ball people get in each others way. It screws up the entire marking system Zonal or Man, because the extra bodies give defenders stupid ideas. Simply put there is not enough space, not to mention having Williamson playing is like having a plank of wood stuck in the pitch. Look at the points comparison between games where he has started and the games he hasnt, you will find that many more points have been amassed when hes out of the team. He is shocking, like incredibly shocking and yet he still gets played. Wouldn't surprise me if there's some sort of not playing clause in his contract. There are no positives to take from a game where we got battered by a team that has just come up from L1 it doesnt matter who it is. GB needs to stop blaming the officials and just stop his players from half arsing around the field. Its getting pitiful, what good is having a spell like we did towards the end of last season if you throw it all away at the beginning. Are we a team that looks like we could get promoted, honestly...HELL NO, and with the transfer window closing tomorrow night and the impending mathematically impossible to avoid transfer embargo it will be another monotonous season. I wish i was wrong, but the signs are there. We cant defend, we have key injuries already, 8 of our first 11 struggle to get the ball in the back of the net, we have no impact subs (we barely have subs) Lee Williamson, Lee Williamson and oh did i mention Lee Williamson (and Luke Varney) Portsmouth league 2 rejects and nothing more.[/p][/quote]FFS, we need tp make this man the Manager Such insight Such a command of tactics Such an effing Troll.....[/p][/quote]Its an opinion pal, were all entitled, although saying that it is more factual than fiction so.... blazerafe
  • Score: 1

9:02pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Nuttall Street says...

Don't go blaming the match officials again GB. It isn't their fault. They didn't choose Rovers manager; Venkys did. Blame the Indian chicken chokers.
If you're looking for a real stool pigeon to blame then there's Still a Wild Rover.
Don't go blaming the match officials again GB. It isn't their fault. They didn't choose Rovers manager; Venkys did. Blame the Indian chicken chokers. If you're looking for a real stool pigeon to blame then there's Still a Wild Rover. Nuttall Street
  • Score: -1

9:04pm Sun 31 Aug 14

roverstid says...

steralc wrote:
Your doomed
Doomed I tell thee
Doomed
You strayed off the Bonleh page with that post.

Although if I COULD bring myself to post on a turd more article, after the last few televised games watching your closet glory man u fans cheering a draw or the Chelsea drubbing when it all went silent, I woulsmd be posting that classic line oft quoted when a great comic genius departs us:

"Thank you for the laughter"

See ya next season Clampitts.
[quote][p][bold]steralc[/bold] wrote: Your doomed Doomed I tell thee Doomed[/p][/quote]You strayed off the Bonleh page with that post. Although if I COULD bring myself to post on a turd more article, after the last few televised games watching your closet glory man u fans cheering a draw or the Chelsea drubbing when it all went silent, I woulsmd be posting that classic line oft quoted when a great comic genius departs us: "Thank you for the laughter" See ya next season Clampitts. roverstid
  • Score: 4

9:22pm Sun 31 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

MikeD wrote:
I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.
I hate to agree with SAWR because he calls me a racist at every chance he gets (which I am not) and he calls everyone else that disagrees with him a troll - which they are not, but in this case he is right when he says - lay off GB !!

Yes, I agree that the team selection at Wolves was incorrect and Williamson is terrible and playing 4-4-1-1 dosent work and like most Rovers fans as soon as I saw the team selection I knew we were fighting for a point, not 3 but you have to remember he knows (better than us) that our squad is cr@p and has no depth - that's not his fault - he's had no money - he has done wonders with nothing - how many other managers would sign Cairney, Gested and Conway for under £1m ???

He is no Brian Clough or Jose Mourino, just an honest decent bloke and ordinary guy and football coach trying to do a job in very difficult financial circumstances (he has to improve the squad whilst reducing the wage bill & whilst at the same time a lot of out our competitors are improving their squads) - how difficult a job is that ???).

Instead of blaming GB people on here need to see the bigger picture, its not GB's failure as a manger, fans need to be slagging off the owners, Venkys who's chronic financial & football decisions have left us in limbo (financially) and no matter how much the "happy clappy, blinkered sheep" on here deny it, THEIR TERRIBLE decisions over the last 4 years have now impacted upon the squad - yes the first 11 is pretty good but the rest of the squad is pants.

Also, for all fans who are calling for GB to be replaced - WHY ?????

I am not slagging off Tim Sherwood or anyone else but what can they really do that GB is not already doing??

1 - The only thing is improve team selections (sometimes).
2 - They cannot "bring in their own people" as this transfer window will close within 48 hours and we are more than likely be placed within a transfer embargo come 1st Jan 2015.
3 - What self respecting (decent) available manager is going to work for Venkys given their terrible reputation within English football and the looming transfer embargo and the chaos and meltdown that will definitely follow??

In short - we have made our bed and now we have to lie in it - we back GB until the end of the season and then we take stock - this is our END GAME, there is no alternative.

We have to HOPE he can make the top 6 and take our chances in the playoffs - if we fail to make these we have to take the financial fallout that will hit us, ACCEPT IT, stand firm and (hopefully) we will come out of in (in 2 or 3 years) still united and stronger for it.

Now is NOT the time for losing our bottle and in-fighting - strap yourselves in and get behind your team for the next 41 games.

COYB !!
[quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.[/p][/quote]I hate to agree with SAWR because he calls me a racist at every chance he gets (which I am not) and he calls everyone else that disagrees with him a troll - which they are not, but in this case he is right when he says - lay off GB !! Yes, I agree that the team selection at Wolves was incorrect and Williamson is terrible and playing 4-4-1-1 dosent work and like most Rovers fans as soon as I saw the team selection I knew we were fighting for a point, not 3 but you have to remember he knows (better than us) that our squad is cr@p and has no depth - that's not his fault - he's had no money - he has done wonders with nothing - how many other managers would sign Cairney, Gested and Conway for under £1m ??? He is no Brian Clough or Jose Mourino, just an honest decent bloke and ordinary guy and football coach trying to do a job in very difficult financial circumstances (he has to improve the squad whilst reducing the wage bill & whilst at the same time a lot of out our competitors are improving their squads) - how difficult a job is that ???). Instead of blaming GB people on here need to see the bigger picture, its not GB's failure as a manger, fans need to be slagging off the owners, Venkys who's chronic financial & football decisions have left us in limbo (financially) and no matter how much the "happy clappy, blinkered sheep" on here deny it, THEIR TERRIBLE decisions over the last 4 years have now impacted upon the squad - yes the first 11 is pretty good but the rest of the squad is pants. Also, for all fans who are calling for GB to be replaced - WHY ????? I am not slagging off Tim Sherwood or anyone else but what can they really do that GB is not already doing?? 1 - The only thing is improve team selections (sometimes). 2 - They cannot "bring in their own people" as this transfer window will close within 48 hours and we are more than likely be placed within a transfer embargo come 1st Jan 2015. 3 - What self respecting (decent) available manager is going to work for Venkys given their terrible reputation within English football and the looming transfer embargo and the chaos and meltdown that will definitely follow?? In short - we have made our bed and now we have to lie in it - we back GB until the end of the season and then we take stock - this is our END GAME, there is no alternative. We have to HOPE he can make the top 6 and take our chances in the playoffs - if we fail to make these we have to take the financial fallout that will hit us, ACCEPT IT, stand firm and (hopefully) we will come out of in (in 2 or 3 years) still united and stronger for it. Now is NOT the time for losing our bottle and in-fighting - strap yourselves in and get behind your team for the next 41 games. COYB !! J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 11

9:27pm Sun 31 Aug 14

roverstid says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
owd nick wrote:
The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals"

I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?"

One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal.

How many times has that happened?

One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to.

We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up.

That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility.

Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?".

Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence.

If he isn't fit why is he on the bench?

That's your fault, not the referee's.

Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away.

But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.
Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal.
Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side
We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs
Actually he's just reverberating what a lot of us are feeling after that match.

Yo be fair, GB's had plenty of time to work on his Plan B, which he seldom seems to have one and when he does never seems to have any impact.

I'd like to remember a game since his appointment where he influenced a game positively by either turning a bad day at the office around to win/draw the game or close off a game and hold onto a lead when it looked like the opposition might just get back into the game. Bournemouth game would have quite easily turned into a draw given a few more mins and Bowyer was unable to change the shift of the attacking flow to close off the game.

Yesterday we were awarded a penalty. A similar situation we would have drawn or lost if the scores were reversed and it had been a Wolves penalty and he would have been on here complaining the award of a "soft penalty" allowed them to get back into the game.

But what happened to us? We conceded again just as soon as we'd grabbed a much needed foothold.

Its time to show up or shut up (shop) for Mr Bowyer. He's a likeable guy but he's NOT in any millenia going to get us promoted this way.

With what happened with our managerial debacles before, I doubt Venkys will he wanting to get drawn into another manager change in which case Bowyer holds the cards in the short term at least.

We can only hope things improve but right now my predictions haven't changed since before the season started. I predict we can only achieve a top six by the skin of our teeth with a very lucky promotion if that happens.

The more likely scenario right now is we will about the same position as last season given not much has changed - and nothing is more closer to the truth their that can be said about our manager.
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals" I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?" One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal. How many times has that happened? One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to. We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up. That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility. Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?". Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence. If he isn't fit why is he on the bench? That's your fault, not the referee's. Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away. But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.[/p][/quote]Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal. Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs[/p][/quote]Actually he's just reverberating what a lot of us are feeling after that match. Yo be fair, GB's had plenty of time to work on his Plan B, which he seldom seems to have one and when he does never seems to have any impact. I'd like to remember a game since his appointment where he influenced a game positively by either turning a bad day at the office around to win/draw the game or close off a game and hold onto a lead when it looked like the opposition might just get back into the game. Bournemouth game would have quite easily turned into a draw given a few more mins and Bowyer was unable to change the shift of the attacking flow to close off the game. Yesterday we were awarded a penalty. A similar situation we would have drawn or lost if the scores were reversed and it had been a Wolves penalty and he would have been on here complaining the award of a "soft penalty" allowed them to get back into the game. But what happened to us? We conceded again just as soon as we'd grabbed a much needed foothold. Its time to show up or shut up (shop) for Mr Bowyer. He's a likeable guy but he's NOT in any millenia going to get us promoted this way. With what happened with our managerial debacles before, I doubt Venkys will he wanting to get drawn into another manager change in which case Bowyer holds the cards in the short term at least. We can only hope things improve but right now my predictions haven't changed since before the season started. I predict we can only achieve a top six by the skin of our teeth with a very lucky promotion if that happens. The more likely scenario right now is we will about the same position as last season given not much has changed - and nothing is more closer to the truth their that can be said about our manager. roverstid
  • Score: 3

9:43pm Sun 31 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

roverstid wrote:
Still a Wild Rover wrote:
owd nick wrote:
The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals"

I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?"

One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal.

How many times has that happened?

One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to.

We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up.

That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility.

Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?".

Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence.

If he isn't fit why is he on the bench?

That's your fault, not the referee's.

Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away.

But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.
Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal.
Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side
We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs
Actually he's just reverberating what a lot of us are feeling after that match.

Yo be fair, GB's had plenty of time to work on his Plan B, which he seldom seems to have one and when he does never seems to have any impact.

I'd like to remember a game since his appointment where he influenced a game positively by either turning a bad day at the office around to win/draw the game or close off a game and hold onto a lead when it looked like the opposition might just get back into the game. Bournemouth game would have quite easily turned into a draw given a few more mins and Bowyer was unable to change the shift of the attacking flow to close off the game.

Yesterday we were awarded a penalty. A similar situation we would have drawn or lost if the scores were reversed and it had been a Wolves penalty and he would have been on here complaining the award of a "soft penalty" allowed them to get back into the game.

But what happened to us? We conceded again just as soon as we'd grabbed a much needed foothold.

Its time to show up or shut up (shop) for Mr Bowyer. He's a likeable guy but he's NOT in any millenia going to get us promoted this way.

With what happened with our managerial debacles before, I doubt Venkys will he wanting to get drawn into another manager change in which case Bowyer holds the cards in the short term at least.

We can only hope things improve but right now my predictions haven't changed since before the season started. I predict we can only achieve a top six by the skin of our teeth with a very lucky promotion if that happens.

The more likely scenario right now is we will about the same position as last season given not much has changed - and nothing is more closer to the truth their that can be said about our manager.
You make a lot of very good points about GBs short comings as a manger but the reality is, who could you really get, given our financial position and Venkys reputation that is going to make a real difference?

I really don't think anyone is going to change things drastically and like I have said in my previous post, it is obvious now that we are in our END GAME as far as BRFC in this era is concerned - ie, its promotion or quite literally, bust.

GB has earned the right to see us to the end of the season - if we fail to get up then things are gonna change dramatically anyway and then we must assess his position then, however like I have already posted, we are where we are (in the last post saloon) so its important that we need to stand unified with our heads held high - there's still along way to go and calls for more disunity within the club simply arn't going to help our chances much anyway.
[quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals" I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?" One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal. How many times has that happened? One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to. We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up. That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility. Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?". Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence. If he isn't fit why is he on the bench? That's your fault, not the referee's. Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away. But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.[/p][/quote]Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal. Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs[/p][/quote]Actually he's just reverberating what a lot of us are feeling after that match. Yo be fair, GB's had plenty of time to work on his Plan B, which he seldom seems to have one and when he does never seems to have any impact. I'd like to remember a game since his appointment where he influenced a game positively by either turning a bad day at the office around to win/draw the game or close off a game and hold onto a lead when it looked like the opposition might just get back into the game. Bournemouth game would have quite easily turned into a draw given a few more mins and Bowyer was unable to change the shift of the attacking flow to close off the game. Yesterday we were awarded a penalty. A similar situation we would have drawn or lost if the scores were reversed and it had been a Wolves penalty and he would have been on here complaining the award of a "soft penalty" allowed them to get back into the game. But what happened to us? We conceded again just as soon as we'd grabbed a much needed foothold. Its time to show up or shut up (shop) for Mr Bowyer. He's a likeable guy but he's NOT in any millenia going to get us promoted this way. With what happened with our managerial debacles before, I doubt Venkys will he wanting to get drawn into another manager change in which case Bowyer holds the cards in the short term at least. We can only hope things improve but right now my predictions haven't changed since before the season started. I predict we can only achieve a top six by the skin of our teeth with a very lucky promotion if that happens. The more likely scenario right now is we will about the same position as last season given not much has changed - and nothing is more closer to the truth their that can be said about our manager.[/p][/quote]You make a lot of very good points about GBs short comings as a manger but the reality is, who could you really get, given our financial position and Venkys reputation that is going to make a real difference? I really don't think anyone is going to change things drastically and like I have said in my previous post, it is obvious now that we are in our END GAME as far as BRFC in this era is concerned - ie, its promotion or quite literally, bust. GB has earned the right to see us to the end of the season - if we fail to get up then things are gonna change dramatically anyway and then we must assess his position then, however like I have already posted, we are where we are (in the last post saloon) so its important that we need to stand unified with our heads held high - there's still along way to go and calls for more disunity within the club simply arn't going to help our chances much anyway. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 3

9:49pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
MikeD wrote:
I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.
Grow a pair? Grow a pair?? ( you said it twice )
Any coward can sit back and accept the unacceptable but it takes balls to stand up against fellow supporters and point out the inadequacies of a popular man.
I am not calling for his head and I am not going to be drawn into doing so but I happen to believe that there are certain qualities missing in GB's profile. For a start, nine years as a youth team coach hardly screams self confidence and ambition.
Of course he should not be sacked but the board has a responsibility to look at other options if he continues to underperform with this squad.
Now please excuse me whilst I plonk my balls in a wheelbarrow and get a beer from the fridge.
So to sum up your posts AA, Tim Sherwood does his coaching badges and spends two or three years coaching (? who/what exactly) at Spurs.GB spends 9 years at Rovers coacing in the youth set up at what is acknowledged as a Grade 1 academy, brings through many very good young players to the top of the profession. You however say that GB is rubbish and tout Sherwood as a superior option??
Just shot your own argument in the backside I think
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.[/p][/quote]Grow a pair? Grow a pair?? ( you said it twice ) Any coward can sit back and accept the unacceptable but it takes balls to stand up against fellow supporters and point out the inadequacies of a popular man. I am not calling for his head and I am not going to be drawn into doing so but I happen to believe that there are certain qualities missing in GB's profile. For a start, nine years as a youth team coach hardly screams self confidence and ambition. Of course he should not be sacked but the board has a responsibility to look at other options if he continues to underperform with this squad. Now please excuse me whilst I plonk my balls in a wheelbarrow and get a beer from the fridge.[/p][/quote]So to sum up your posts AA, Tim Sherwood does his coaching badges and spends two or three years coaching (? who/what exactly) at Spurs.GB spends 9 years at Rovers coacing in the youth set up at what is acknowledged as a Grade 1 academy, brings through many very good young players to the top of the profession. You however say that GB is rubbish and tout Sherwood as a superior option?? Just shot your own argument in the backside I think Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 0

10:34pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
MikeD wrote:
I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.
Grow a pair? Grow a pair?? ( you said it twice )
Any coward can sit back and accept the unacceptable but it takes balls to stand up against fellow supporters and point out the inadequacies of a popular man.
I am not calling for his head and I am not going to be drawn into doing so but I happen to believe that there are certain qualities missing in GB's profile. For a start, nine years as a youth team coach hardly screams self confidence and ambition.
Of course he should not be sacked but the board has a responsibility to look at other options if he continues to underperform with this squad.
Now please excuse me whilst I plonk my balls in a wheelbarrow and get a beer from the fridge.
So to sum up your posts AA, Tim Sherwood does his coaching badges and spends two or three years coaching (? who/what exactly) at Spurs.GB spends 9 years at Rovers coacing in the youth set up at what is acknowledged as a Grade 1 academy, brings through many very good young players to the top of the profession. You however say that GB is rubbish and tout Sherwood as a superior option??
Just shot your own argument in the backside I think
When and where have I said that GB is rubbish? I just happen to believe that Sherwood might have the ambition, passion and, yes, ruthlessness that might be lacking in Bowyer. I reiterate, I am not calling for him to be sacked but he must accept responsibility for unacceptable performances and results. Now let's not turn this into another divisive Steve Kean revolt. If GB is the board's choice he will have my support.
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.[/p][/quote]Grow a pair? Grow a pair?? ( you said it twice ) Any coward can sit back and accept the unacceptable but it takes balls to stand up against fellow supporters and point out the inadequacies of a popular man. I am not calling for his head and I am not going to be drawn into doing so but I happen to believe that there are certain qualities missing in GB's profile. For a start, nine years as a youth team coach hardly screams self confidence and ambition. Of course he should not be sacked but the board has a responsibility to look at other options if he continues to underperform with this squad. Now please excuse me whilst I plonk my balls in a wheelbarrow and get a beer from the fridge.[/p][/quote]So to sum up your posts AA, Tim Sherwood does his coaching badges and spends two or three years coaching (? who/what exactly) at Spurs.GB spends 9 years at Rovers coacing in the youth set up at what is acknowledged as a Grade 1 academy, brings through many very good young players to the top of the profession. You however say that GB is rubbish and tout Sherwood as a superior option?? Just shot your own argument in the backside I think[/p][/quote]When and where have I said that GB is rubbish? I just happen to believe that Sherwood might have the ambition, passion and, yes, ruthlessness that might be lacking in Bowyer. I reiterate, I am not calling for him to be sacked but he must accept responsibility for unacceptable performances and results. Now let's not turn this into another divisive Steve Kean revolt. If GB is the board's choice he will have my support. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 2

11:09pm Sun 31 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
owd nick wrote:
The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals"

I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?"

One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal.

How many times has that happened?

One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to.

We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up.

That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility.

Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?".

Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence.

If he isn't fit why is he on the bench?

That's your fault, not the referee's.

Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away.

But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.
Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal.
Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side
We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs
I'm just saying it as I see it Wild Rover.

If Brown is still injured why is he on the bench?

Lets put one of the youngsters who is fit and hungry on the bench and give him experience for 10, 20 minutes ffs.

GB is too predictable, four of the subs on the bench are never, ever going to get on even if we were 10 down with 30 mins to go, anyone who watches Rovers live can look at the subs before the game starts and predict who will be coming on.

If Williamson, Dunn, Varney or Taylor are not starting and on the bench they will be the ones coming on 9 games out of 10.

And even an half decent opposing manager who can do the same will be able to plan for what GB will do, to me Wolves have an exceptional manager at this level, no brainer, only one winner.

As a manager you have to learn, adapt, if you make a mistake don't repeat it, and more importantly take responsibility when it inevitably goes tits up, because it will, don't look to blame all and sundry.

Most fans like me will accept a loss especially if we have played well or a mistake that cost us a point, but however much I like GB, when the same errors are being made time after time the question has to be asked, is he good enough.

I like GB, what he has achieved over the last 18 months or so is pretty incredible when you consider where we were when he took over, but football is a cruel game and in professional sport you are only as good as your last result.

I hope he learns to adapt and be more positive but if he doesn't I will eventually be joining the "Dark Side" because the club is more important than the individual, and we don't have the time or money to wait.
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals" I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?" One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal. How many times has that happened? One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to. We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up. That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility. Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?". Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence. If he isn't fit why is he on the bench? That's your fault, not the referee's. Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away. But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.[/p][/quote]Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal. Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs[/p][/quote]I'm just saying it as I see it Wild Rover. If Brown is still injured why is he on the bench? Lets put one of the youngsters who is fit and hungry on the bench and give him experience for 10, 20 minutes ffs. GB is too predictable, four of the subs on the bench are never, ever going to get on even if we were 10 down with 30 mins to go, anyone who watches Rovers live can look at the subs before the game starts and predict who will be coming on. If Williamson, Dunn, Varney or Taylor are not starting and on the bench they will be the ones coming on 9 games out of 10. And even an half decent opposing manager who can do the same will be able to plan for what GB will do, to me Wolves have an exceptional manager at this level, no brainer, only one winner. As a manager you have to learn, adapt, if you make a mistake don't repeat it, and more importantly take responsibility when it inevitably goes tits up, because it will, don't look to blame all and sundry. Most fans like me will accept a loss especially if we have played well or a mistake that cost us a point, but however much I like GB, when the same errors are being made time after time the question has to be asked, is he good enough. I like GB, what he has achieved over the last 18 months or so is pretty incredible when you consider where we were when he took over, but football is a cruel game and in professional sport you are only as good as your last result. I hope he learns to adapt and be more positive but if he doesn't I will eventually be joining the "Dark Side" because the club is more important than the individual, and we don't have the time or money to wait. owd nick
  • Score: 6

5:56am Mon 1 Sep 14

forever blue and white says...

owd nick wrote:
Still a Wild Rover wrote:
owd nick wrote:
The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals"

I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?"

One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal.

How many times has that happened?

One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to.

We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up.

That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility.

Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?".

Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence.

If he isn't fit why is he on the bench?

That's your fault, not the referee's.

Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away.

But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.
Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal.
Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side
We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs
I'm just saying it as I see it Wild Rover.

If Brown is still injured why is he on the bench?

Lets put one of the youngsters who is fit and hungry on the bench and give him experience for 10, 20 minutes ffs.

GB is too predictable, four of the subs on the bench are never, ever going to get on even if we were 10 down with 30 mins to go, anyone who watches Rovers live can look at the subs before the game starts and predict who will be coming on.

If Williamson, Dunn, Varney or Taylor are not starting and on the bench they will be the ones coming on 9 games out of 10.

And even an half decent opposing manager who can do the same will be able to plan for what GB will do, to me Wolves have an exceptional manager at this level, no brainer, only one winner.

As a manager you have to learn, adapt, if you make a mistake don't repeat it, and more importantly take responsibility when it inevitably goes tits up, because it will, don't look to blame all and sundry.

Most fans like me will accept a loss especially if we have played well or a mistake that cost us a point, but however much I like GB, when the same errors are being made time after time the question has to be asked, is he good enough.

I like GB, what he has achieved over the last 18 months or so is pretty incredible when you consider where we were when he took over, but football is a cruel game and in professional sport you are only as good as your last result.

I hope he learns to adapt and be more positive but if he doesn't I will eventually be joining the "Dark Side" because the club is more important than the individual, and we don't have the time or money to wait.
Owd Nick you are unbelievable. Only 2 weeks ago you were supporting Williamson and telling us all how good he is in his defensive midfield role. The week before that you were talking rubbish about how to defend at corners. At least now you have seen sense and realised that Williamson is complete garbage and couldn't make a local Sunday league side never mind Rovers. I shall wait for your comments after the next game to see who you are supporting. Possibly depends on which way the wind is blowing.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals" I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?" One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal. How many times has that happened? One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to. We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up. That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility. Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?". Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence. If he isn't fit why is he on the bench? That's your fault, not the referee's. Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away. But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.[/p][/quote]Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal. Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs[/p][/quote]I'm just saying it as I see it Wild Rover. If Brown is still injured why is he on the bench? Lets put one of the youngsters who is fit and hungry on the bench and give him experience for 10, 20 minutes ffs. GB is too predictable, four of the subs on the bench are never, ever going to get on even if we were 10 down with 30 mins to go, anyone who watches Rovers live can look at the subs before the game starts and predict who will be coming on. If Williamson, Dunn, Varney or Taylor are not starting and on the bench they will be the ones coming on 9 games out of 10. And even an half decent opposing manager who can do the same will be able to plan for what GB will do, to me Wolves have an exceptional manager at this level, no brainer, only one winner. As a manager you have to learn, adapt, if you make a mistake don't repeat it, and more importantly take responsibility when it inevitably goes tits up, because it will, don't look to blame all and sundry. Most fans like me will accept a loss especially if we have played well or a mistake that cost us a point, but however much I like GB, when the same errors are being made time after time the question has to be asked, is he good enough. I like GB, what he has achieved over the last 18 months or so is pretty incredible when you consider where we were when he took over, but football is a cruel game and in professional sport you are only as good as your last result. I hope he learns to adapt and be more positive but if he doesn't I will eventually be joining the "Dark Side" because the club is more important than the individual, and we don't have the time or money to wait.[/p][/quote]Owd Nick you are unbelievable. Only 2 weeks ago you were supporting Williamson and telling us all how good he is in his defensive midfield role. The week before that you were talking rubbish about how to defend at corners. At least now you have seen sense and realised that Williamson is complete garbage and couldn't make a local Sunday league side never mind Rovers. I shall wait for your comments after the next game to see who you are supporting. Possibly depends on which way the wind is blowing. forever blue and white
  • Score: 0

7:05am Mon 1 Sep 14

.Lancs _ Pensioner says...

Bowyer out Malky Mackay in proven track record in this League knows how to motivate players simples.
Bowyer out Malky Mackay in proven track record in this League knows how to motivate players simples. .Lancs _ Pensioner
  • Score: 1

7:32am Mon 1 Sep 14

bburnrover says...

We keep posession well in games but that does not mean we are a good side does it? We tend to pass across midfield and back again without being able to open sides up they intercept one bad pass from us and its in the back of our net.I do like the way Arsenal play football up until they get to the penalty area and then they totally fall down as they cannot break through we are not in the same class but seem to be emulating their game plan.I think GB needs to change his tatics as unless we have an organised defence that is water tight we will suffer trying to play our passing game.We need to pass the ball forward quicker and get our wide men behind their defence.GB should ban the easy option back pass.
We keep posession well in games but that does not mean we are a good side does it? We tend to pass across midfield and back again without being able to open sides up they intercept one bad pass from us and its in the back of our net.I do like the way Arsenal play football up until they get to the penalty area and then they totally fall down as they cannot break through we are not in the same class but seem to be emulating their game plan.I think GB needs to change his tatics as unless we have an organised defence that is water tight we will suffer trying to play our passing game.We need to pass the ball forward quicker and get our wide men behind their defence.GB should ban the easy option back pass. bburnrover
  • Score: 2

7:37am Mon 1 Sep 14

owd nick says...

forever blue and white wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Still a Wild Rover wrote:
owd nick wrote:
The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals"

I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?"

One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal.

How many times has that happened?

One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to.

We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up.

That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility.

Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?".

Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence.

If he isn't fit why is he on the bench?

That's your fault, not the referee's.

Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away.

But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.
Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal.
Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side
We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs
I'm just saying it as I see it Wild Rover.

If Brown is still injured why is he on the bench?

Lets put one of the youngsters who is fit and hungry on the bench and give him experience for 10, 20 minutes ffs.

GB is too predictable, four of the subs on the bench are never, ever going to get on even if we were 10 down with 30 mins to go, anyone who watches Rovers live can look at the subs before the game starts and predict who will be coming on.

If Williamson, Dunn, Varney or Taylor are not starting and on the bench they will be the ones coming on 9 games out of 10.

And even an half decent opposing manager who can do the same will be able to plan for what GB will do, to me Wolves have an exceptional manager at this level, no brainer, only one winner.

As a manager you have to learn, adapt, if you make a mistake don't repeat it, and more importantly take responsibility when it inevitably goes tits up, because it will, don't look to blame all and sundry.

Most fans like me will accept a loss especially if we have played well or a mistake that cost us a point, but however much I like GB, when the same errors are being made time after time the question has to be asked, is he good enough.

I like GB, what he has achieved over the last 18 months or so is pretty incredible when you consider where we were when he took over, but football is a cruel game and in professional sport you are only as good as your last result.

I hope he learns to adapt and be more positive but if he doesn't I will eventually be joining the "Dark Side" because the club is more important than the individual, and we don't have the time or money to wait.
Owd Nick you are unbelievable. Only 2 weeks ago you were supporting Williamson and telling us all how good he is in his defensive midfield role. The week before that you were talking rubbish about how to defend at corners. At least now you have seen sense and realised that Williamson is complete garbage and couldn't make a local Sunday league side never mind Rovers. I shall wait for your comments after the next game to see who you are supporting. Possibly depends on which way the wind is blowing.
No it depends on performances, I have said all along that he isn't quite good enough for this league, but if I think he has a good game I will say so, ditto the opposite.

I take each game as it comes.
I was making a point about GB's predictability that's all.
[quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals" I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?" One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal. How many times has that happened? One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to. We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up. That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility. Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?". Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence. If he isn't fit why is he on the bench? That's your fault, not the referee's. Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away. But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.[/p][/quote]Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal. Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs[/p][/quote]I'm just saying it as I see it Wild Rover. If Brown is still injured why is he on the bench? Lets put one of the youngsters who is fit and hungry on the bench and give him experience for 10, 20 minutes ffs. GB is too predictable, four of the subs on the bench are never, ever going to get on even if we were 10 down with 30 mins to go, anyone who watches Rovers live can look at the subs before the game starts and predict who will be coming on. If Williamson, Dunn, Varney or Taylor are not starting and on the bench they will be the ones coming on 9 games out of 10. And even an half decent opposing manager who can do the same will be able to plan for what GB will do, to me Wolves have an exceptional manager at this level, no brainer, only one winner. As a manager you have to learn, adapt, if you make a mistake don't repeat it, and more importantly take responsibility when it inevitably goes tits up, because it will, don't look to blame all and sundry. Most fans like me will accept a loss especially if we have played well or a mistake that cost us a point, but however much I like GB, when the same errors are being made time after time the question has to be asked, is he good enough. I like GB, what he has achieved over the last 18 months or so is pretty incredible when you consider where we were when he took over, but football is a cruel game and in professional sport you are only as good as your last result. I hope he learns to adapt and be more positive but if he doesn't I will eventually be joining the "Dark Side" because the club is more important than the individual, and we don't have the time or money to wait.[/p][/quote]Owd Nick you are unbelievable. Only 2 weeks ago you were supporting Williamson and telling us all how good he is in his defensive midfield role. The week before that you were talking rubbish about how to defend at corners. At least now you have seen sense and realised that Williamson is complete garbage and couldn't make a local Sunday league side never mind Rovers. I shall wait for your comments after the next game to see who you are supporting. Possibly depends on which way the wind is blowing.[/p][/quote]No it depends on performances, I have said all along that he isn't quite good enough for this league, but if I think he has a good game I will say so, ditto the opposite. I take each game as it comes. I was making a point about GB's predictability that's all. owd nick
  • Score: 0

8:21am Mon 1 Sep 14

edmy says...

Predictable and boring now your comments about officials Bowyer if you can't hack the job move on.
Predictable and boring now your comments about officials Bowyer if you can't hack the job move on. edmy
  • Score: 2

8:38am Mon 1 Sep 14

Harwoodstblue says...

I think that this team is capable of much more but a change of tactics is needed. The squad has been together now for over a year so everyone should know what the 'plan' is and what is expected from them. Everyone should be singing from the same hymn sheet by now but it doesn't seem to be happening.
A lot has been said about this defending too deep, encouraging teams to come at us whilst trying unsuccessfully to defend a lead. I hasn't worked so lets stop with this tactic, don't do it.
I'-m no football coach but have been watching the game long enough to know that by attacking teams puts THEM under pressure. They can't score against us whilst they are in their own half of the field.I think GB needs to have a rethink, make a game plan that takes the unnecessary pressure off us, and make sure everyone knows what is expected from them. We need to attack as a team and defend as a team making sure the forward and midfield players battle away for 90 minutes to win the ball back higher up the pitch before it gets anywhere near our penalty box. This won't work all of the time because there is another team on the pitch trying to stop us, but winning 50% of those midfield battles wiil go a long way towards improving that 'goals against' column.
Just my thoughts on the issue.
I think that this team is capable of much more but a change of tactics is needed. The squad has been together now for over a year so everyone should know what the 'plan' is and what is expected from them. Everyone should be singing from the same hymn sheet by now but it doesn't seem to be happening. A lot has been said about this defending too deep, encouraging teams to come at us whilst trying unsuccessfully to defend a lead. I hasn't worked so lets stop with this tactic, don't do it. I'-m no football coach but have been watching the game long enough to know that by attacking teams puts THEM under pressure. They can't score against us whilst they are in their own half of the field.I think GB needs to have a rethink, make a game plan that takes the unnecessary pressure off us, and make sure everyone knows what is expected from them. We need to attack as a team and defend as a team making sure the forward and midfield players battle away for 90 minutes to win the ball back higher up the pitch before it gets anywhere near our penalty box. This won't work all of the time because there is another team on the pitch trying to stop us, but winning 50% of those midfield battles wiil go a long way towards improving that 'goals against' column. Just my thoughts on the issue. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 4

8:44am Mon 1 Sep 14

owd nick says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
roverstid wrote:
Still a Wild Rover wrote:
owd nick wrote:
The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals"

I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?"

One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal.

How many times has that happened?

One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to.

We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up.

That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility.

Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?".

Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence.

If he isn't fit why is he on the bench?

That's your fault, not the referee's.

Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away.

But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.
Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal.
Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side
We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs
Actually he's just reverberating what a lot of us are feeling after that match.

Yo be fair, GB's had plenty of time to work on his Plan B, which he seldom seems to have one and when he does never seems to have any impact.

I'd like to remember a game since his appointment where he influenced a game positively by either turning a bad day at the office around to win/draw the game or close off a game and hold onto a lead when it looked like the opposition might just get back into the game. Bournemouth game would have quite easily turned into a draw given a few more mins and Bowyer was unable to change the shift of the attacking flow to close off the game.

Yesterday we were awarded a penalty. A similar situation we would have drawn or lost if the scores were reversed and it had been a Wolves penalty and he would have been on here complaining the award of a "soft penalty" allowed them to get back into the game.

But what happened to us? We conceded again just as soon as we'd grabbed a much needed foothold.

Its time to show up or shut up (shop) for Mr Bowyer. He's a likeable guy but he's NOT in any millenia going to get us promoted this way.

With what happened with our managerial debacles before, I doubt Venkys will he wanting to get drawn into another manager change in which case Bowyer holds the cards in the short term at least.

We can only hope things improve but right now my predictions haven't changed since before the season started. I predict we can only achieve a top six by the skin of our teeth with a very lucky promotion if that happens.

The more likely scenario right now is we will about the same position as last season given not much has changed - and nothing is more closer to the truth their that can be said about our manager.
You make a lot of very good points about GBs short comings as a manger but the reality is, who could you really get, given our financial position and Venkys reputation that is going to make a real difference?

I really don't think anyone is going to change things drastically and like I have said in my previous post, it is obvious now that we are in our END GAME as far as BRFC in this era is concerned - ie, its promotion or quite literally, bust.

GB has earned the right to see us to the end of the season - if we fail to get up then things are gonna change dramatically anyway and then we must assess his position then, however like I have already posted, we are where we are (in the last post saloon) so its important that we need to stand unified with our heads held high - there's still along way to go and calls for more disunity within the club simply arn't going to help our chances much anyway.
Agreed, but don't get too hung up on Venky's regarding potential future managers should GB fail and Venky's sack him at the end of the season (I don't think they will do that anyway as they appear to be working on a two year plan).

A football manager is only a manager when he is in a job, the rest of the time he is either a pundit, on gardening leave or chasing other interests, and there are quite a few out there right now in that position.

It's like a drug to them.

And with normal attrition rates something in the region of 35% of current managers will be joining them by the end of this season.

Most of them will want to get back into football asap, it's quite a gene pool, just depends which end you dip into.

GB's naive tactically but he is doing a good job of stabilising the club and that makes it more attractive, irrespective of the owners.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals" I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?" One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal. How many times has that happened? One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to. We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up. That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility. Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?". Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence. If he isn't fit why is he on the bench? That's your fault, not the referee's. Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away. But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.[/p][/quote]Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal. Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs[/p][/quote]Actually he's just reverberating what a lot of us are feeling after that match. Yo be fair, GB's had plenty of time to work on his Plan B, which he seldom seems to have one and when he does never seems to have any impact. I'd like to remember a game since his appointment where he influenced a game positively by either turning a bad day at the office around to win/draw the game or close off a game and hold onto a lead when it looked like the opposition might just get back into the game. Bournemouth game would have quite easily turned into a draw given a few more mins and Bowyer was unable to change the shift of the attacking flow to close off the game. Yesterday we were awarded a penalty. A similar situation we would have drawn or lost if the scores were reversed and it had been a Wolves penalty and he would have been on here complaining the award of a "soft penalty" allowed them to get back into the game. But what happened to us? We conceded again just as soon as we'd grabbed a much needed foothold. Its time to show up or shut up (shop) for Mr Bowyer. He's a likeable guy but he's NOT in any millenia going to get us promoted this way. With what happened with our managerial debacles before, I doubt Venkys will he wanting to get drawn into another manager change in which case Bowyer holds the cards in the short term at least. We can only hope things improve but right now my predictions haven't changed since before the season started. I predict we can only achieve a top six by the skin of our teeth with a very lucky promotion if that happens. The more likely scenario right now is we will about the same position as last season given not much has changed - and nothing is more closer to the truth their that can be said about our manager.[/p][/quote]You make a lot of very good points about GBs short comings as a manger but the reality is, who could you really get, given our financial position and Venkys reputation that is going to make a real difference? I really don't think anyone is going to change things drastically and like I have said in my previous post, it is obvious now that we are in our END GAME as far as BRFC in this era is concerned - ie, its promotion or quite literally, bust. GB has earned the right to see us to the end of the season - if we fail to get up then things are gonna change dramatically anyway and then we must assess his position then, however like I have already posted, we are where we are (in the last post saloon) so its important that we need to stand unified with our heads held high - there's still along way to go and calls for more disunity within the club simply arn't going to help our chances much anyway.[/p][/quote]Agreed, but don't get too hung up on Venky's regarding potential future managers should GB fail and Venky's sack him at the end of the season (I don't think they will do that anyway as they appear to be working on a two year plan). A football manager is only a manager when he is in a job, the rest of the time he is either a pundit, on gardening leave or chasing other interests, and there are quite a few out there right now in that position. It's like a drug to them. And with normal attrition rates something in the region of 35% of current managers will be joining them by the end of this season. Most of them will want to get back into football asap, it's quite a gene pool, just depends which end you dip into. GB's naive tactically but he is doing a good job of stabilising the club and that makes it more attractive, irrespective of the owners. owd nick
  • Score: 0

9:13am Mon 1 Sep 14

Stone Island: says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
MikeD wrote:
I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.
Grow a pair? Grow a pair?? ( you said it twice )
Any coward can sit back and accept the unacceptable but it takes balls to stand up against fellow supporters and point out the inadequacies of a popular man.
I am not calling for his head and I am not going to be drawn into doing so but I happen to believe that there are certain qualities missing in GB's profile. For a start, nine years as a youth team coach hardly screams self confidence and ambition.
Of course he should not be sacked but the board has a responsibility to look at other options if he continues to underperform with this squad.
Now please excuse me whilst I plonk my balls in a wheelbarrow and get a beer from the fridge.
So to sum up your posts AA, Tim Sherwood does his coaching badges and spends two or three years coaching (? who/what exactly) at Spurs.GB spends 9 years at Rovers coacing in the youth set up at what is acknowledged as a Grade 1 academy, brings through many very good young players to the top of the profession. You however say that GB is rubbish and tout Sherwood as a superior option??
Just shot your own argument in the backside I think
Talking of backsides; I see you're still talking out of yours.
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.[/p][/quote]Grow a pair? Grow a pair?? ( you said it twice ) Any coward can sit back and accept the unacceptable but it takes balls to stand up against fellow supporters and point out the inadequacies of a popular man. I am not calling for his head and I am not going to be drawn into doing so but I happen to believe that there are certain qualities missing in GB's profile. For a start, nine years as a youth team coach hardly screams self confidence and ambition. Of course he should not be sacked but the board has a responsibility to look at other options if he continues to underperform with this squad. Now please excuse me whilst I plonk my balls in a wheelbarrow and get a beer from the fridge.[/p][/quote]So to sum up your posts AA, Tim Sherwood does his coaching badges and spends two or three years coaching (? who/what exactly) at Spurs.GB spends 9 years at Rovers coacing in the youth set up at what is acknowledged as a Grade 1 academy, brings through many very good young players to the top of the profession. You however say that GB is rubbish and tout Sherwood as a superior option?? Just shot your own argument in the backside I think[/p][/quote]Talking of backsides; I see you're still talking out of yours. Stone Island:
  • Score: 1

11:05am Mon 1 Sep 14

roverstid says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
roverstid wrote:
Still a Wild Rover wrote:
owd nick wrote:
The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals"

I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?"

One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal.

How many times has that happened?

One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to.

We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up.

That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility.

Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?".

Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence.

If he isn't fit why is he on the bench?

That's your fault, not the referee's.

Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away.

But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.
Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal.
Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side
We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs
Actually he's just reverberating what a lot of us are feeling after that match.

Yo be fair, GB's had plenty of time to work on his Plan B, which he seldom seems to have one and when he does never seems to have any impact.

I'd like to remember a game since his appointment where he influenced a game positively by either turning a bad day at the office around to win/draw the game or close off a game and hold onto a lead when it looked like the opposition might just get back into the game. Bournemouth game would have quite easily turned into a draw given a few more mins and Bowyer was unable to change the shift of the attacking flow to close off the game.

Yesterday we were awarded a penalty. A similar situation we would have drawn or lost if the scores were reversed and it had been a Wolves penalty and he would have been on here complaining the award of a "soft penalty" allowed them to get back into the game.

But what happened to us? We conceded again just as soon as we'd grabbed a much needed foothold.

Its time to show up or shut up (shop) for Mr Bowyer. He's a likeable guy but he's NOT in any millenia going to get us promoted this way.

With what happened with our managerial debacles before, I doubt Venkys will he wanting to get drawn into another manager change in which case Bowyer holds the cards in the short term at least.

We can only hope things improve but right now my predictions haven't changed since before the season started. I predict we can only achieve a top six by the skin of our teeth with a very lucky promotion if that happens.

The more likely scenario right now is we will about the same position as last season given not much has changed - and nothing is more closer to the truth their that can be said about our manager.
You make a lot of very good points about GBs short comings as a manger but the reality is, who could you really get, given our financial position and Venkys reputation that is going to make a real difference?

I really don't think anyone is going to change things drastically and like I have said in my previous post, it is obvious now that we are in our END GAME as far as BRFC in this era is concerned - ie, its promotion or quite literally, bust.

GB has earned the right to see us to the end of the season - if we fail to get up then things are gonna change dramatically anyway and then we must assess his position then, however like I have already posted, we are where we are (in the last post saloon) so its important that we need to stand unified with our heads held high - there's still along way to go and calls for more disunity within the club simply arn't going to help our chances much anyway.
No I'd agree disunity isn't going to help anyone and its still a long season where anythings possible, but I think an experienced assistant on the sidelines wouldn't hurt as someone suggested before.

GB is obviously good at picking up some gems but he's obviously in need of some tactical coaching or advising. Can't think of who could fill that role currently though.

Also it doesn't help having a Captain who sets such a bad example. I often feel Robbo does more of the captain role than Hanley.

I know peoples views differ here but to me, the integral role of a Captain comes into play when your team needs a boost or a kick up the back side. Hanley to me at least shows none of these qualities and picking up yellow cards like he was collecting them, doesn't do much to his credibility - or the rep of the team.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: The key phrase you are using Gary is "Soft Goals" I will use a key phrase "Who picks the team?" One defender at fullback who is a defensive central midfielder, another playing on the wrong side of the pitch, Williamson, a wholehearted midfielder who makes far too many mistakes because he is playing a league higher than his capability, and was responsible for their first goal. How many times has that happened? One of the best strikers in the division playing in a role he is totally unsuited to. We were in effect playing with half a team against a club with it's communal tails up. That isn't the Referee's fault, it's yours so grow a pair and take some responsibility. Another one is "When are you going to learn how and when to make substitutions that actually affect the game in a positive way for us?". Bringing on two midfielders when we are 1-3 down is ludicrous, especially when we have Brown on the bench, who last season, if I remember correctly, knocked several colours of crap out of our defence. If he isn't fit why is he on the bench? That's your fault, not the referee's. Referee's make mistakes, that's a given, but they don't give the ball away and leave the defense wide open, they don't miss tackles or give away free kicks in dangerous positions, that result in soft goals being given away. But what do I know? I am only a Rovers fan who has been supporting the club for 44 years.[/p][/quote]Harsh Nick, very hsrsh. Why is he on the bench. Injuries pal. Either your accounts been cloned or you have gone over to the dark side We are all dissapointed Nick but cam dpwn Ffs[/p][/quote]Actually he's just reverberating what a lot of us are feeling after that match. Yo be fair, GB's had plenty of time to work on his Plan B, which he seldom seems to have one and when he does never seems to have any impact. I'd like to remember a game since his appointment where he influenced a game positively by either turning a bad day at the office around to win/draw the game or close off a game and hold onto a lead when it looked like the opposition might just get back into the game. Bournemouth game would have quite easily turned into a draw given a few more mins and Bowyer was unable to change the shift of the attacking flow to close off the game. Yesterday we were awarded a penalty. A similar situation we would have drawn or lost if the scores were reversed and it had been a Wolves penalty and he would have been on here complaining the award of a "soft penalty" allowed them to get back into the game. But what happened to us? We conceded again just as soon as we'd grabbed a much needed foothold. Its time to show up or shut up (shop) for Mr Bowyer. He's a likeable guy but he's NOT in any millenia going to get us promoted this way. With what happened with our managerial debacles before, I doubt Venkys will he wanting to get drawn into another manager change in which case Bowyer holds the cards in the short term at least. We can only hope things improve but right now my predictions haven't changed since before the season started. I predict we can only achieve a top six by the skin of our teeth with a very lucky promotion if that happens. The more likely scenario right now is we will about the same position as last season given not much has changed - and nothing is more closer to the truth their that can be said about our manager.[/p][/quote]You make a lot of very good points about GBs short comings as a manger but the reality is, who could you really get, given our financial position and Venkys reputation that is going to make a real difference? I really don't think anyone is going to change things drastically and like I have said in my previous post, it is obvious now that we are in our END GAME as far as BRFC in this era is concerned - ie, its promotion or quite literally, bust. GB has earned the right to see us to the end of the season - if we fail to get up then things are gonna change dramatically anyway and then we must assess his position then, however like I have already posted, we are where we are (in the last post saloon) so its important that we need to stand unified with our heads held high - there's still along way to go and calls for more disunity within the club simply arn't going to help our chances much anyway.[/p][/quote]No I'd agree disunity isn't going to help anyone and its still a long season where anythings possible, but I think an experienced assistant on the sidelines wouldn't hurt as someone suggested before. GB is obviously good at picking up some gems but he's obviously in need of some tactical coaching or advising. Can't think of who could fill that role currently though. Also it doesn't help having a Captain who sets such a bad example. I often feel Robbo does more of the captain role than Hanley. I know peoples views differ here but to me, the integral role of a Captain comes into play when your team needs a boost or a kick up the back side. Hanley to me at least shows none of these qualities and picking up yellow cards like he was collecting them, doesn't do much to his credibility - or the rep of the team. roverstid
  • Score: 2

12:28pm Mon 1 Sep 14

flagstone says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
MikeD wrote:
I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.
I hate to agree with SAWR because he calls me a racist at every chance he gets (which I am not) and he calls everyone else that disagrees with him a troll - which they are not, but in this case he is right when he says - lay off GB !!

Yes, I agree that the team selection at Wolves was incorrect and Williamson is terrible and playing 4-4-1-1 dosent work and like most Rovers fans as soon as I saw the team selection I knew we were fighting for a point, not 3 but you have to remember he knows (better than us) that our squad is cr@p and has no depth - that's not his fault - he's had no money - he has done wonders with nothing - how many other managers would sign Cairney, Gested and Conway for under £1m ???

He is no Brian Clough or Jose Mourino, just an honest decent bloke and ordinary guy and football coach trying to do a job in very difficult financial circumstances (he has to improve the squad whilst reducing the wage bill & whilst at the same time a lot of out our competitors are improving their squads) - how difficult a job is that ???).

Instead of blaming GB people on here need to see the bigger picture, its not GB's failure as a manger, fans need to be slagging off the owners, Venkys who's chronic financial & football decisions have left us in limbo (financially) and no matter how much the "happy clappy, blinkered sheep" on here deny it, THEIR TERRIBLE decisions over the last 4 years have now impacted upon the squad - yes the first 11 is pretty good but the rest of the squad is pants.

Also, for all fans who are calling for GB to be replaced - WHY ?????

I am not slagging off Tim Sherwood or anyone else but what can they really do that GB is not already doing??

1 - The only thing is improve team selections (sometimes).
2 - They cannot "bring in their own people" as this transfer window will close within 48 hours and we are more than likely be placed within a transfer embargo come 1st Jan 2015.
3 - What self respecting (decent) available manager is going to work for Venkys given their terrible reputation within English football and the looming transfer embargo and the chaos and meltdown that will definitely follow??

In short - we have made our bed and now we have to lie in it - we back GB until the end of the season and then we take stock - this is our END GAME, there is no alternative.

We have to HOPE he can make the top 6 and take our chances in the playoffs - if we fail to make these we have to take the financial fallout that will hit us, ACCEPT IT, stand firm and (hopefully) we will come out of in (in 2 or 3 years) still united and stronger for it.

Now is NOT the time for losing our bottle and in-fighting - strap yourselves in and get behind your team for the next 41 games.

COYB !!
Bloody well said
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.[/p][/quote]I hate to agree with SAWR because he calls me a racist at every chance he gets (which I am not) and he calls everyone else that disagrees with him a troll - which they are not, but in this case he is right when he says - lay off GB !! Yes, I agree that the team selection at Wolves was incorrect and Williamson is terrible and playing 4-4-1-1 dosent work and like most Rovers fans as soon as I saw the team selection I knew we were fighting for a point, not 3 but you have to remember he knows (better than us) that our squad is cr@p and has no depth - that's not his fault - he's had no money - he has done wonders with nothing - how many other managers would sign Cairney, Gested and Conway for under £1m ??? He is no Brian Clough or Jose Mourino, just an honest decent bloke and ordinary guy and football coach trying to do a job in very difficult financial circumstances (he has to improve the squad whilst reducing the wage bill & whilst at the same time a lot of out our competitors are improving their squads) - how difficult a job is that ???). Instead of blaming GB people on here need to see the bigger picture, its not GB's failure as a manger, fans need to be slagging off the owners, Venkys who's chronic financial & football decisions have left us in limbo (financially) and no matter how much the "happy clappy, blinkered sheep" on here deny it, THEIR TERRIBLE decisions over the last 4 years have now impacted upon the squad - yes the first 11 is pretty good but the rest of the squad is pants. Also, for all fans who are calling for GB to be replaced - WHY ????? I am not slagging off Tim Sherwood or anyone else but what can they really do that GB is not already doing?? 1 - The only thing is improve team selections (sometimes). 2 - They cannot "bring in their own people" as this transfer window will close within 48 hours and we are more than likely be placed within a transfer embargo come 1st Jan 2015. 3 - What self respecting (decent) available manager is going to work for Venkys given their terrible reputation within English football and the looming transfer embargo and the chaos and meltdown that will definitely follow?? In short - we have made our bed and now we have to lie in it - we back GB until the end of the season and then we take stock - this is our END GAME, there is no alternative. We have to HOPE he can make the top 6 and take our chances in the playoffs - if we fail to make these we have to take the financial fallout that will hit us, ACCEPT IT, stand firm and (hopefully) we will come out of in (in 2 or 3 years) still united and stronger for it. Now is NOT the time for losing our bottle and in-fighting - strap yourselves in and get behind your team for the next 41 games. COYB !![/p][/quote]Bloody well said flagstone
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1:47pm Mon 1 Sep 14

greenscreener says...

flagstone wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
MikeD wrote:
I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.
I hate to agree with SAWR because he calls me a racist at every chance he gets (which I am not) and he calls everyone else that disagrees with him a troll - which they are not, but in this case he is right when he says - lay off GB !!

Yes, I agree that the team selection at Wolves was incorrect and Williamson is terrible and playing 4-4-1-1 dosent work and like most Rovers fans as soon as I saw the team selection I knew we were fighting for a point, not 3 but you have to remember he knows (better than us) that our squad is cr@p and has no depth - that's not his fault - he's had no money - he has done wonders with nothing - how many other managers would sign Cairney, Gested and Conway for under £1m ???

He is no Brian Clough or Jose Mourino, just an honest decent bloke and ordinary guy and football coach trying to do a job in very difficult financial circumstances (he has to improve the squad whilst reducing the wage bill & whilst at the same time a lot of out our competitors are improving their squads) - how difficult a job is that ???).

Instead of blaming GB people on here need to see the bigger picture, its not GB's failure as a manger, fans need to be slagging off the owners, Venkys who's chronic financial & football decisions have left us in limbo (financially) and no matter how much the "happy clappy, blinkered sheep" on here deny it, THEIR TERRIBLE decisions over the last 4 years have now impacted upon the squad - yes the first 11 is pretty good but the rest of the squad is pants.

Also, for all fans who are calling for GB to be replaced - WHY ?????

I am not slagging off Tim Sherwood or anyone else but what can they really do that GB is not already doing??

1 - The only thing is improve team selections (sometimes).
2 - They cannot "bring in their own people" as this transfer window will close within 48 hours and we are more than likely be placed within a transfer embargo come 1st Jan 2015.
3 - What self respecting (decent) available manager is going to work for Venkys given their terrible reputation within English football and the looming transfer embargo and the chaos and meltdown that will definitely follow??

In short - we have made our bed and now we have to lie in it - we back GB until the end of the season and then we take stock - this is our END GAME, there is no alternative.

We have to HOPE he can make the top 6 and take our chances in the playoffs - if we fail to make these we have to take the financial fallout that will hit us, ACCEPT IT, stand firm and (hopefully) we will come out of in (in 2 or 3 years) still united and stronger for it.

Now is NOT the time for losing our bottle and in-fighting - strap yourselves in and get behind your team for the next 41 games.

COYB !!
Bloody well said
Absolutely, Kudos to JC for adopting a very pragmatic position, it's not about loving Venkys , or even GB, it's about this being the only game in town.

Nobody would buy the club right now, and with a squad of Players mainly signed, or brought through the youth system, by Bowyer, could another manager really lift them. A bit of help on tactics would help, but not as much as a bigger crowd down at Ewood really getting behind them.

COYB.
[quote][p][bold]flagstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeD[/bold] wrote: I'll tell you who needs to man up and grow a pair - it's all you whining winnies. Seems Still a Wild Rover is the only ome here with any sense. This was a game when we lost Rudy Gestede to injury before the game began, and lost Markus Olsson, who has been a revelation this season at left back. Plus we have Duffy coming in to shore up the defence. Still we dominated the second half. Things are going to improve. This is only the 5th game of the season, and I can't believe that people are calling for Bowyer's head after what we've been through in the last few years. You people are idiots or Burnley fans, and possibly both Grow a pair.[/p][/quote]I hate to agree with SAWR because he calls me a racist at every chance he gets (which I am not) and he calls everyone else that disagrees with him a troll - which they are not, but in this case he is right when he says - lay off GB !! Yes, I agree that the team selection at Wolves was incorrect and Williamson is terrible and playing 4-4-1-1 dosent work and like most Rovers fans as soon as I saw the team selection I knew we were fighting for a point, not 3 but you have to remember he knows (better than us) that our squad is cr@p and has no depth - that's not his fault - he's had no money - he has done wonders with nothing - how many other managers would sign Cairney, Gested and Conway for under £1m ??? He is no Brian Clough or Jose Mourino, just an honest decent bloke and ordinary guy and football coach trying to do a job in very difficult financial circumstances (he has to improve the squad whilst reducing the wage bill & whilst at the same time a lot of out our competitors are improving their squads) - how difficult a job is that ???). Instead of blaming GB people on here need to see the bigger picture, its not GB's failure as a manger, fans need to be slagging off the owners, Venkys who's chronic financial & football decisions have left us in limbo (financially) and no matter how much the "happy clappy, blinkered sheep" on here deny it, THEIR TERRIBLE decisions over the last 4 years have now impacted upon the squad - yes the first 11 is pretty good but the rest of the squad is pants. Also, for all fans who are calling for GB to be replaced - WHY ????? I am not slagging off Tim Sherwood or anyone else but what can they really do that GB is not already doing?? 1 - The only thing is improve team selections (sometimes). 2 - They cannot "bring in their own people" as this transfer window will close within 48 hours and we are more than likely be placed within a transfer embargo come 1st Jan 2015. 3 - What self respecting (decent) available manager is going to work for Venkys given their terrible reputation within English football and the looming transfer embargo and the chaos and meltdown that will definitely follow?? In short - we have made our bed and now we have to lie in it - we back GB until the end of the season and then we take stock - this is our END GAME, there is no alternative. We have to HOPE he can make the top 6 and take our chances in the playoffs - if we fail to make these we have to take the financial fallout that will hit us, ACCEPT IT, stand firm and (hopefully) we will come out of in (in 2 or 3 years) still united and stronger for it. Now is NOT the time for losing our bottle and in-fighting - strap yourselves in and get behind your team for the next 41 games. COYB !![/p][/quote]Bloody well said[/p][/quote]Absolutely, Kudos to JC for adopting a very pragmatic position, it's not about loving Venkys , or even GB, it's about this being the only game in town. Nobody would buy the club right now, and with a squad of Players mainly signed, or brought through the youth system, by Bowyer, could another manager really lift them. A bit of help on tactics would help, but not as much as a bigger crowd down at Ewood really getting behind them. COYB. greenscreener
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