Blackburn Rovers on the verge of signing Everton centre back Shane Duffy

Shane Duffy is on his way to Rovers

Shane Duffy is on his way to Rovers

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BLACKBURN Rovers are on the verge of signing Everton centre back Shane Duffy on a permanent transfer.

The deal for the Republic of Ireland international, 22, is unlikely to go through before tomorrow's Championship clash at Wolves.

But Duffy, who once had a short spell on loan at Burnley, is on his way to Rovers.

See tomorrow's Lancashire Telegraph for more.

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5:09pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Captain Dreckley says...

Just the sort of signing we need. Now get young Keane back from United on a season long loan and we have a squad to take us straight up.
Just the sort of signing we need. Now get young Keane back from United on a season long loan and we have a squad to take us straight up. Captain Dreckley
  • Score: 56

5:25pm Fri 29 Aug 14

SuperBlues says...

A decent young player who fits the bill in type of characters needed at ewood eager to impress and give it a good go with room for improvement, he could well be another Bowyer coup!!!
A decent young player who fits the bill in type of characters needed at ewood eager to impress and give it a good go with room for improvement, he could well be another Bowyer coup!!! SuperBlues
  • Score: 36

5:38pm Fri 29 Aug 14

garry_stockton says...

So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship??
Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others..............
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..................so
rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on..................
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FFP cant wait..............
January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script
So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship?? Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others.............. . ..................so rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on.................. ........... FFP cant wait.............. January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script garry_stockton
  • Score: -75

5:40pm Fri 29 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Ah well, Venky's must have something up their sleeves regarding Ffp or someone is leaving to make way.
Not complaining though, looks OK on the face of it and we need defenders.
Ah well, Venky's must have something up their sleeves regarding Ffp or someone is leaving to make way. Not complaining though, looks OK on the face of it and we need defenders. owd nick
  • Score: 10

5:43pm Fri 29 Aug 14

owd nick says...

garry_stockton wrote:
So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship??
Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others..............

.
..................so

rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on..................

...........
FFP cant wait..............
January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script
To be honest no-one cares what you think, anyone signed for the dangles yet?
Peanuts and monkeys spring to mind.
[quote][p][bold]garry_stockton[/bold] wrote: So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship?? Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others.............. . ..................so rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on.................. ........... FFP cant wait.............. January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script[/p][/quote]To be honest no-one cares what you think, anyone signed for the dangles yet? Peanuts and monkeys spring to mind. owd nick
  • Score: 43

5:44pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Cumbrian Blue says...

Has all the traits of a Bowyer signing. Appears to have the right attitude young, British/Irish background and probably another player Bowyer knows because of his knowledge of youth football over the years. Could be interesting. Hope he proves to be the defensive equivalent of Cairney. That would be fun!
Has all the traits of a Bowyer signing. Appears to have the right attitude young, British/Irish background and probably another player Bowyer knows because of his knowledge of youth football over the years. Could be interesting. Hope he proves to be the defensive equivalent of Cairney. That would be fun! Cumbrian Blue
  • Score: 40

5:59pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Dublin rover says...

garry_stockton wrote:
So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship??
Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others..............

.
..................so

rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on..................

...........
FFP cant wait..............
January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script
Good luck with utd On saturday
[quote][p][bold]garry_stockton[/bold] wrote: So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship?? Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others.............. . ..................so rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on.................. ........... FFP cant wait.............. January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script[/p][/quote]Good luck with utd On saturday Dublin rover
  • Score: 24

6:08pm Fri 29 Aug 14

OnePostThenTheOther says...

If he's comparable to the last CB we got from Everton then we are onto a good 'un. Could Craig Short have also played a hand in this transfer?
If he's comparable to the last CB we got from Everton then we are onto a good 'un. Could Craig Short have also played a hand in this transfer? OnePostThenTheOther
  • Score: 30

6:24pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ewood_Mark says...

Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB....

Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go!
Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB.... Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go! Ewood_Mark
  • Score: -46

6:26pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Ewood_Mark says...

Captain Dreckley wrote:
Just the sort of signing we need. Now get young Keane back from United on a season long loan and we have a squad to take us straight up.
Hahahaha you been sniffing too much glue again, Captain?
[quote][p][bold]Captain Dreckley[/bold] wrote: Just the sort of signing we need. Now get young Keane back from United on a season long loan and we have a squad to take us straight up.[/p][/quote]Hahahaha you been sniffing too much glue again, Captain? Ewood_Mark
  • Score: -28

6:29pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Raymond Ban says...

Ewood_Mark wrote:
Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB....

Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go!
Speaking of rejects, wonder how Di Maria's going to cope with Dave Jones vast array of passing and vision tomorrow.

Oh dear, oh very dear - like fishes out of water.
[quote][p][bold]Ewood_Mark[/bold] wrote: Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB.... Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go![/p][/quote]Speaking of rejects, wonder how Di Maria's going to cope with Dave Jones vast array of passing and vision tomorrow. Oh dear, oh very dear - like fishes out of water. Raymond Ban
  • Score: 42

6:30pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Parbold Rover says...

OnePostThenTheOther wrote:
If he's comparable to the last CB we got from Everton then we are onto a good 'un. Could Craig Short have also played a hand in this transfer?
Liverpool Echo are saying that the fee is 1.5 million so he,s not coming to make up numbers. He looks a beast of a man and can imagine that him alongside Grant Hanley will be formable, well done Gary,well done Venkys
[quote][p][bold]OnePostThenTheOther[/bold] wrote: If he's comparable to the last CB we got from Everton then we are onto a good 'un. Could Craig Short have also played a hand in this transfer?[/p][/quote]Liverpool Echo are saying that the fee is 1.5 million so he,s not coming to make up numbers. He looks a beast of a man and can imagine that him alongside Grant Hanley will be formable, well done Gary,well done Venkys Parbold Rover
  • Score: 45

6:31pm Fri 29 Aug 14

claret813 says...

I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January!
I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January! claret813
  • Score: -10

6:31pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Tombo1984Evans says...

Wonder if Venkys have conceded a embargo is coming and are signing who is needed before that happens?

Just a thought.

Sign Baptiste whilst we are at it. He has been class.

Think Duffy's signing comes in the face of being told Keane isn't available.
Wonder if Venkys have conceded a embargo is coming and are signing who is needed before that happens? Just a thought. Sign Baptiste whilst we are at it. He has been class. Think Duffy's signing comes in the face of being told Keane isn't available. Tombo1984Evans
  • Score: 20

6:34pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Dublin rover says...

Word is we paid 1.5 mill for duffy. He had good game for the rep of ireland in the summer. But venkys must of gave gb a few quid to spend let's see what happens next one more player I think
Word is we paid 1.5 mill for duffy. He had good game for the rep of ireland in the summer. But venkys must of gave gb a few quid to spend let's see what happens next one more player I think Dublin rover
  • Score: 19

6:38pm Fri 29 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

Tombo1984Evans wrote:
Wonder if Venkys have conceded a embargo is coming and are signing who is needed before that happens?

Just a thought.

Sign Baptiste whilst we are at it. He has been class.

Think Duffy's signing comes in the face of being told Keane isn't available.
Yes, I think its a canny move by Rovers to sign him rather than get him on loan although I've never heard of him and it does sound a lot of money for an Everton reserve but hopefully GB will have unearthed another gem that will prove to be good value in the long term.

I think that the signing probably shows that Venkys accept that FFP will be implemented in January and that Baptiste would (presumably) be made to return to Bolton as I am sure that any loanees would not be allowed to remain at any club in a transfer ban - which would also rule us out of getting Keane on loan.

If we can stay injury free then this squad has a pretty good chance of a top 6 finish but it won' be easy there are a lot of pretty good sides in the championship this season.
[quote][p][bold]Tombo1984Evans[/bold] wrote: Wonder if Venkys have conceded a embargo is coming and are signing who is needed before that happens? Just a thought. Sign Baptiste whilst we are at it. He has been class. Think Duffy's signing comes in the face of being told Keane isn't available.[/p][/quote]Yes, I think its a canny move by Rovers to sign him rather than get him on loan although I've never heard of him and it does sound a lot of money for an Everton reserve but hopefully GB will have unearthed another gem that will prove to be good value in the long term. I think that the signing probably shows that Venkys accept that FFP will be implemented in January and that Baptiste would (presumably) be made to return to Bolton as I am sure that any loanees would not be allowed to remain at any club in a transfer ban - which would also rule us out of getting Keane on loan. If we can stay injury free then this squad has a pretty good chance of a top 6 finish but it won' be easy there are a lot of pretty good sides in the championship this season. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 23

6:40pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Heidenreicher says...

Ewood_Mark wrote:
Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB....

Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go!
This coming from a Burnley reject trying to hide behind a fake account to troll the boards. Someone's either going to kick you in the vagina, or get a hold of your IP address... Most possibly both. Where will you hide then?
[quote][p][bold]Ewood_Mark[/bold] wrote: Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB.... Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go![/p][/quote]This coming from a Burnley reject trying to hide behind a fake account to troll the boards. Someone's either going to kick you in the vagina, or get a hold of your IP address... Most possibly both. Where will you hide then? Heidenreicher
  • Score: 17

6:44pm Fri 29 Aug 14

adcr says...

Not done much of note in his career thus far, but i'm sure Bowyer has done his homework, and I would think we have got him cheap (I hope dublin rover is wrong with his figures because that is way too much to be paying unless it is based on addons).

One good thing about the lad is the fact he is 6ft4; we have missed that kind of aerial prowess in defence ever since Samba left. And imagine the goal threat with Gestede and Duffy at corners. Looking good.
Not done much of note in his career thus far, but i'm sure Bowyer has done his homework, and I would think we have got him cheap (I hope dublin rover is wrong with his figures because that is way too much to be paying unless it is based on addons). One good thing about the lad is the fact he is 6ft4; we have missed that kind of aerial prowess in defence ever since Samba left. And imagine the goal threat with Gestede and Duffy at corners. Looking good. adcr
  • Score: 26

6:45pm Fri 29 Aug 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

Not a guy who is going to make it at the top level at this stage, but seems to fit GB's squad profile and should be a useful for the Championship promotion push. Hope this does not restrict opportunities for O'Connell as we badly need to give home grown youngsters a chance of which is not happening at the moment.
Not a guy who is going to make it at the top level at this stage, but seems to fit GB's squad profile and should be a useful for the Championship promotion push. Hope this does not restrict opportunities for O'Connell as we badly need to give home grown youngsters a chance of which is not happening at the moment. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 16

6:49pm Fri 29 Aug 14

owd nick says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Tombo1984Evans wrote:
Wonder if Venkys have conceded a embargo is coming and are signing who is needed before that happens?

Just a thought.

Sign Baptiste whilst we are at it. He has been class.

Think Duffy's signing comes in the face of being told Keane isn't available.
Yes, I think its a canny move by Rovers to sign him rather than get him on loan although I've never heard of him and it does sound a lot of money for an Everton reserve but hopefully GB will have unearthed another gem that will prove to be good value in the long term.

I think that the signing probably shows that Venkys accept that FFP will be implemented in January and that Baptiste would (presumably) be made to return to Bolton as I am sure that any loanees would not be allowed to remain at any club in a transfer ban - which would also rule us out of getting Keane on loan.

If we can stay injury free then this squad has a pretty good chance of a top 6 finish but it won' be easy there are a lot of pretty good sides in the championship this season.
Agreed JC, I think we need to sign Baptiste before this window closes because I also think that if FFP is applied to the full we won't we won't be able to sign or keep loan players.

But lets cross that bridge when we come to it and enjoy the ride.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tombo1984Evans[/bold] wrote: Wonder if Venkys have conceded a embargo is coming and are signing who is needed before that happens? Just a thought. Sign Baptiste whilst we are at it. He has been class. Think Duffy's signing comes in the face of being told Keane isn't available.[/p][/quote]Yes, I think its a canny move by Rovers to sign him rather than get him on loan although I've never heard of him and it does sound a lot of money for an Everton reserve but hopefully GB will have unearthed another gem that will prove to be good value in the long term. I think that the signing probably shows that Venkys accept that FFP will be implemented in January and that Baptiste would (presumably) be made to return to Bolton as I am sure that any loanees would not be allowed to remain at any club in a transfer ban - which would also rule us out of getting Keane on loan. If we can stay injury free then this squad has a pretty good chance of a top 6 finish but it won' be easy there are a lot of pretty good sides in the championship this season.[/p][/quote]Agreed JC, I think we need to sign Baptiste before this window closes because I also think that if FFP is applied to the full we won't we won't be able to sign or keep loan players. But lets cross that bridge when we come to it and enjoy the ride. owd nick
  • Score: 8

6:51pm Fri 29 Aug 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

owd nick wrote:
Ah well, Venky's must have something up their sleeves regarding Ffp or someone is leaving to make way.
Not complaining though, looks OK on the face of it and we need defenders.
Maybe it is because of the FFP rules that they feel it will be better making low cost permanent signings that won't be effected by FFP once they are on board rather than have to replace loan signings that possibly will.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Ah well, Venky's must have something up their sleeves regarding Ffp or someone is leaving to make way. Not complaining though, looks OK on the face of it and we need defenders.[/p][/quote]Maybe it is because of the FFP rules that they feel it will be better making low cost permanent signings that won't be effected by FFP once they are on board rather than have to replace loan signings that possibly will. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 8

6:53pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Harwoodstblue says...

Heidenreicher wrote:
Ewood_Mark wrote:
Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB....

Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go!
This coming from a Burnley reject trying to hide behind a fake account to troll the boards. Someone's either going to kick you in the vagina, or get a hold of your IP address... Most possibly both. Where will you hide then?
I believe it is possible for those with the know how get hold of an IP address. A friend of mine whos website was trolled knew people who could help him.
[quote][p][bold]Heidenreicher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ewood_Mark[/bold] wrote: Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB.... Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go![/p][/quote]This coming from a Burnley reject trying to hide behind a fake account to troll the boards. Someone's either going to kick you in the vagina, or get a hold of your IP address... Most possibly both. Where will you hide then?[/p][/quote]I believe it is possible for those with the know how get hold of an IP address. A friend of mine whos website was trolled knew people who could help him. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 5

7:00pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

Just hope he wasn't too scarred by his unfortunate loan spell at Burnlah. They offered him a permanent deal but a week in purgatory was long enough and he got his dream move to Yeovil.
Nobody knows how he will turn out but we definitely need cover at centre back and I would rather have a youngster with Premiership pedigree than a washed up journeyman.
On the subject of new signings, may I wish Angel di Maria every success on his debut tomorrow
Just hope he wasn't too scarred by his unfortunate loan spell at Burnlah. They offered him a permanent deal but a week in purgatory was long enough and he got his dream move to Yeovil. Nobody knows how he will turn out but we definitely need cover at centre back and I would rather have a youngster with Premiership pedigree than a washed up journeyman. On the subject of new signings, may I wish Angel di Maria every success on his debut tomorrow Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 26

7:02pm Fri 29 Aug 14

owd nick says...

A Rover 45 years and over wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Ah well, Venky's must have something up their sleeves regarding Ffp or someone is leaving to make way.
Not complaining though, looks OK on the face of it and we need defenders.
Maybe it is because of the FFP rules that they feel it will be better making low cost permanent signings that won't be effected by FFP once they are on board rather than have to replace loan signings that possibly will.
Again from Twitter I believe that the initial fee is nowhere near the quoted £1.5 million, but could rise to that depending on appearances etc.

Obviously we will learn a little more over the next couple of days.
[quote][p][bold]A Rover 45 years and over[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Ah well, Venky's must have something up their sleeves regarding Ffp or someone is leaving to make way. Not complaining though, looks OK on the face of it and we need defenders.[/p][/quote]Maybe it is because of the FFP rules that they feel it will be better making low cost permanent signings that won't be effected by FFP once they are on board rather than have to replace loan signings that possibly will.[/p][/quote]Again from Twitter I believe that the initial fee is nowhere near the quoted £1.5 million, but could rise to that depending on appearances etc. Obviously we will learn a little more over the next couple of days. owd nick
  • Score: 3

7:04pm Fri 29 Aug 14

AnotherPounding4Burnley says...

garry_stockton wrote:
So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship??
Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others..............

.
..................so

rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on..................

...........
FFP cant wait..............
January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script
So what happened to spending to stay in the premiership? At least Rovers can sign young hungry footballers unlike us a Burnley who are waiting until only Spazzy Mcgee is left floating in the pot
[quote][p][bold]garry_stockton[/bold] wrote: So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship?? Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others.............. . ..................so rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on.................. ........... FFP cant wait.............. January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script[/p][/quote]So what happened to spending to stay in the premiership? At least Rovers can sign young hungry footballers unlike us a Burnley who are waiting until only Spazzy Mcgee is left floating in the pot AnotherPounding4Burnley
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Harwoodstblue says...

The lad obviously didn't make it at Everton but stepping down a division could well be the kick start that he needs. He has time on his side and hopefully he'll get the chance to shine here. Bowyer probably knows something about him through the youth set up.
The lad obviously didn't make it at Everton but stepping down a division could well be the kick start that he needs. He has time on his side and hopefully he'll get the chance to shine here. Bowyer probably knows something about him through the youth set up. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 8

7:17pm Fri 29 Aug 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

AnotherPounding4Burn
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wrote:
garry_stockton wrote:
So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship??
Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others..............


.
..................so


rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on..................


...........
FFP cant wait..............
January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script
So what happened to spending to stay in the premiership? At least Rovers can sign young hungry footballers unlike us a Burnley who are waiting until only Spazzy Mcgee is left floating in the pot
Burnley are in grave danger of loosing a very talented and ambitious manager because the board refuse to back him with sufficient funds that they now have in place. Owen Coyle situation mark two coming up.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garry_stockton[/bold] wrote: So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship?? Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others.............. . ..................so rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on.................. ........... FFP cant wait.............. January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script[/p][/quote]So what happened to spending to stay in the premiership? At least Rovers can sign young hungry footballers unlike us a Burnley who are waiting until only Spazzy Mcgee is left floating in the pot[/p][/quote]Burnley are in grave danger of loosing a very talented and ambitious manager because the board refuse to back him with sufficient funds that they now have in place. Owen Coyle situation mark two coming up. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 7

7:29pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Waynefontaine says...

garry_stockton wrote:
So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship??
Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others..............

.
..................so

rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on..................

...........
FFP cant wait..............
January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script
What's a Burnley fans fav TV Prog? .. Pointless!! You have no room to try and poke fun at us .. However, I believe we will have plenty of opportunities this season muhahahahahahahaha
[quote][p][bold]garry_stockton[/bold] wrote: So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship?? Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others.............. . ..................so rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on.................. ........... FFP cant wait.............. January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script[/p][/quote]What's a Burnley fans fav TV Prog? .. Pointless!! You have no room to try and poke fun at us .. However, I believe we will have plenty of opportunities this season muhahahahahahahaha Waynefontaine
  • Score: -1

7:53pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Blueandwhitewolf says...

AnotherPounding4Burn
ley
wrote:
garry_stockton wrote:
So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship??
Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others..............


.
..................so


rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on..................


...........
FFP cant wait..............
January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script
So what happened to spending to stay in the premiership? At least Rovers can sign young hungry footballers unlike us a Burnley who are waiting until only Spazzy Mcgee is left floating in the pot
Yeah but young Spazzy has never been to burnley before so he doesn't know what a sh1thole it is and he may just be fool enough to sign up for the relegation fight. Plus he'll be cheap!!!
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPounding4Burn ley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]garry_stockton[/bold] wrote: So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship?? Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others.............. . ..................so rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on.................. ........... FFP cant wait.............. January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script[/p][/quote]So what happened to spending to stay in the premiership? At least Rovers can sign young hungry footballers unlike us a Burnley who are waiting until only Spazzy Mcgee is left floating in the pot[/p][/quote]Yeah but young Spazzy has never been to burnley before so he doesn't know what a sh1thole it is and he may just be fool enough to sign up for the relegation fight. Plus he'll be cheap!!! Blueandwhitewolf
  • Score: 1

8:02pm Fri 29 Aug 14

The_Real_Oves says...

Great signing, could prove to be a bargain in a couple of years time. He was rated as The Championships top defender last season, even in a struggling Yeovil side (and Cairney obviously as the divisions top midfielder!)

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Great signing, could prove to be a bargain in a couple of years time. He was rated as The Championships top defender last season, even in a struggling Yeovil side (and Cairney obviously as the divisions top midfielder!) http://www.whoscored . com/Articles/ynblllz hjuegiuqa8pq7aw/Show /League-Focus-Champi onship-201314-Season -Review The_Real_Oves
  • Score: 12

8:13pm Fri 29 Aug 14

A Darener says...

Who was that CH King Kenny pulled out of the hat when we got promoted to the PL?
Who was that CH King Kenny pulled out of the hat when we got promoted to the PL? A Darener
  • Score: 8

8:16pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Harwoodstblue says...

The_Real_Oves wrote:
Great signing, could prove to be a bargain in a couple of years time. He was rated as The Championships top defender last season, even in a struggling Yeovil side (and Cairney obviously as the divisions top midfielder!)

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Excellent, just read that. Duffy's average player rating was 7.71 over 37 games, and that in a struggling side as you say. Hope he can continue that form with us.
[quote][p][bold]The_Real_Oves[/bold] wrote: Great signing, could prove to be a bargain in a couple of years time. He was rated as The Championships top defender last season, even in a struggling Yeovil side (and Cairney obviously as the divisions top midfielder!) http://www.whoscored . com/Articles/ynblllz hjuegiuqa8pq7aw/Show /League-Focus-Champi onship-201314-Season -Review[/p][/quote]Excellent, just read that. Duffy's average player rating was 7.71 over 37 games, and that in a struggling side as you say. Hope he can continue that form with us. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 14

8:18pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Tatts says...

The_Real_Oves wrote:
Great signing, could prove to be a bargain in a couple of years time. He was rated as The Championships top defender last season, even in a struggling Yeovil side (and Cairney obviously as the divisions top midfielder!)

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Yes, I think this could be another one of Bowyer's bargains.

I wonder if Moyes tipped off his mate Derek Shaw about this one.

So, we've now spent half as much as Burnley despite being £120m worse off.
[quote][p][bold]The_Real_Oves[/bold] wrote: Great signing, could prove to be a bargain in a couple of years time. He was rated as The Championships top defender last season, even in a struggling Yeovil side (and Cairney obviously as the divisions top midfielder!) http://www.whoscored . com/Articles/ynblllz hjuegiuqa8pq7aw/Show /League-Focus-Champi onship-201314-Season -Review[/p][/quote]Yes, I think this could be another one of Bowyer's bargains. I wonder if Moyes tipped off his mate Derek Shaw about this one. So, we've now spent half as much as Burnley despite being £120m worse off. Tatts
  • Score: 11

8:26pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Stone Island: says...

Ewood_Mark wrote:
Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB....

Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go!
And who did Steven Reid once play for, you absolute BELL END!
[quote][p][bold]Ewood_Mark[/bold] wrote: Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB.... Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go![/p][/quote]And who did Steven Reid once play for, you absolute BELL END! Stone Island:
  • Score: 9

8:26pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jim 2012 says...

claret813 wrote:
I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January!
half the clubs in the championship will be banned from doing business
FFP has the potential to put most clubs out of business
if you cant invest you go broke and it doesn't matter what badge you have on your football shirt no one is immune we all suffer
[quote][p][bold]claret813[/bold] wrote: I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January![/p][/quote]half the clubs in the championship will be banned from doing business FFP has the potential to put most clubs out of business if you cant invest you go broke and it doesn't matter what badge you have on your football shirt no one is immune we all suffer jim 2012
  • Score: 3

8:34pm Fri 29 Aug 14

earwego says...

Comment from Everton fans..
Duffy was definitely a Moyes type; big, strong lad, powerful in the air, dangerous on set pieces.
Tough kid, and he deserves an opportunity to play somewhere. Good luck to you, Shane.
Duffy will return to the Premier League a better player and for a much bigger fee.
Yeovil did go down, but he was rated the best player in the championship last season according to who scored.com. It's a really reliable site with player ratings. We may end up regretting this one long term.
Good luck Shane. Could well be back in the prem soon.

Could be interesting with Duffy and Gestede at set plays,sounds by all accounts GB has come up with another gem.
Comment from Everton fans.. Duffy was definitely a Moyes type; big, strong lad, powerful in the air, dangerous on set pieces. Tough kid, and he deserves an opportunity to play somewhere. Good luck to you, Shane. Duffy will return to the Premier League a better player and for a much bigger fee. Yeovil did go down, but he was rated the best player in the championship last season according to who scored.com. It's a really reliable site with player ratings. We may end up regretting this one long term. Good luck Shane. Could well be back in the prem soon. Could be interesting with Duffy and Gestede at set plays,sounds by all accounts GB has come up with another gem. earwego
  • Score: 16

8:36pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Tatts says...

Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses.

I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth.

If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate:

Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down)
Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate)
Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur)
Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists)
Hanley - £4m (international)
Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King

All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.
Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses. I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth. If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate: Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down) Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate) Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur) Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists) Hanley - £4m (international) Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all. Tatts
  • Score: 17

8:36pm Fri 29 Aug 14

noddy57 says...

Just what we needed. nice work Gary. Competition is always healthy.
Just what we needed. nice work Gary. Competition is always healthy. noddy57
  • Score: 10

8:37pm Fri 29 Aug 14

earwego says...

jim 2012 wrote:
claret813 wrote:
I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January!
half the clubs in the championship will be banned from doing business
FFP has the potential to put most clubs out of business
if you cant invest you go broke and it doesn't matter what badge you have on your football shirt no one is immune we all suffer
Reports are that it will be challenged by more than one club and that the F.L. are scared stiff that the challenge will succeed and they then will be sued for millions.
[quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claret813[/bold] wrote: I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January![/p][/quote]half the clubs in the championship will be banned from doing business FFP has the potential to put most clubs out of business if you cant invest you go broke and it doesn't matter what badge you have on your football shirt no one is immune we all suffer[/p][/quote]Reports are that it will be challenged by more than one club and that the F.L. are scared stiff that the challenge will succeed and they then will be sued for millions. earwego
  • Score: 7

8:42pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

Well, Troll boy is getting a kicking this week is he not?
I mean, zRhode not sold, no transfer request, money made available for new signings.
What next? Promotion for the Rovers....that really would finish him off
Cant smile wide enough me !
Well, Troll boy is getting a kicking this week is he not? I mean, zRhode not sold, no transfer request, money made available for new signings. What next? Promotion for the Rovers....that really would finish him off Cant smile wide enough me ! Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 12

8:55pm Fri 29 Aug 14

earwego says...

Stone Island: wrote:
Ewood_Mark wrote:
Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB....

Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go!
And who did Steven Reid once play for, you absolute BELL END!
Don't forget Jones.
[quote][p][bold]Stone Island:[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ewood_Mark[/bold] wrote: Signing a Burnley reject. Great work once again GB.... Aye oh, Aye oh, It's the down the league we go![/p][/quote]And who did Steven Reid once play for, you absolute BELL END![/p][/quote]Don't forget Jones. earwego
  • Score: 8

10:00pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jack went up says...

Tatts wrote:
Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses.

I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth.

If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate:

Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down)
Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate)
Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur)
Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists)
Hanley - £4m (international)
Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King

All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.
these are some really great points , the auditing of the ffp position is really not clear. Straight losses may or may not yield a number outside the rules , but academy player development is unlimited so how much of the loss is assignable to this , the net value of players on the books against any loss is really relevant with a squad value over £30 m its a good security against any losses, and here in lies the problem, whos auditing it, under what rules and what if there challenged ? ffp waste of time
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses. I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth. If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate: Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down) Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate) Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur) Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists) Hanley - £4m (international) Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.[/p][/quote]these are some really great points , the auditing of the ffp position is really not clear. Straight losses may or may not yield a number outside the rules , but academy player development is unlimited so how much of the loss is assignable to this , the net value of players on the books against any loss is really relevant with a squad value over £30 m its a good security against any losses, and here in lies the problem, whos auditing it, under what rules and what if there challenged ? ffp waste of time jack went up
  • Score: 11

10:08pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jack went up says...

“We took the club forward so quickly in the last season – no-one was expecting it, including the club – so things that you normally put in place as you’re going weren’t in place.

“That sometimes catches you by surprise, recruitment structures, financial thinking – all of those things – so you have to ramp it up really quickly and with the market that’s running away.”

bonus prize for who said this from an apparently well run club
“We took the club forward so quickly in the last season – no-one was expecting it, including the club – so things that you normally put in place as you’re going weren’t in place. “That sometimes catches you by surprise, recruitment structures, financial thinking – all of those things – so you have to ramp it up really quickly and with the market that’s running away.” bonus prize for who said this from an apparently well run club jack went up
  • Score: 5

10:12pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jack01 says...

Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan, Forest, Brighton, Bournemouth, QPR, Wolves - all posted losses last year which would see them outside the permitted £8 million loss that FFP permits.

The Football League have a big problem - are they really going to embargo half the division? And how are they planning on fining QPR £30 million now they are in the Premier League?

Rovers have taken drastic measures to reduce their wage bill by paying off the big earners - nobody can say they aren't trying to comply.
Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan, Forest, Brighton, Bournemouth, QPR, Wolves - all posted losses last year which would see them outside the permitted £8 million loss that FFP permits. The Football League have a big problem - are they really going to embargo half the division? And how are they planning on fining QPR £30 million now they are in the Premier League? Rovers have taken drastic measures to reduce their wage bill by paying off the big earners - nobody can say they aren't trying to comply. jack01
  • Score: 4

10:13pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Arthur 2 sheds says...

First of all a big FO to the Dangles who will have no one worth buying when the chips are down (Christmas)
Also same to Bo Selecta face (trapped in a lift door) Steve Bruce, for trying to unsettle our top striker.
First of all a big FO to the Dangles who will have no one worth buying when the chips are down (Christmas) Also same to Bo Selecta face (trapped in a lift door) Steve Bruce, for trying to unsettle our top striker. Arthur 2 sheds
  • Score: 9

10:30pm Fri 29 Aug 14

digitusjonfred says...

Captain Dreckley wrote:
Just the sort of signing we need. Now get young Keane back from United on a season long loan and we have a squad to take us straight up.
Wont get Keane now as Van Gaal has him in the first team squad.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Dreckley[/bold] wrote: Just the sort of signing we need. Now get young Keane back from United on a season long loan and we have a squad to take us straight up.[/p][/quote]Wont get Keane now as Van Gaal has him in the first team squad. digitusjonfred
  • Score: 4

10:53pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Harwoodstblue says...

jack went up wrote:
“We took the club forward so quickly in the last season – no-one was expecting it, including the club – so things that you normally put in place as you’re going weren’t in place.

“That sometimes catches you by surprise, recruitment structures, financial thinking – all of those things – so you have to ramp it up really quickly and with the market that’s running away.”

bonus prize for who said this from an apparently well run club
Most of what Dyche said today, I said weeks ago. Normally it takes a few seasons to build a squad ( slowly but surely ) to be capable of gaining promotion and more importantly, staying there. Burnley's promotion came out of the blue, unexpected to most of their own fans, if they are honest, and took the diectors and the club by surprise. The result is that they have entered the Premier League totally unprepared and Dyche had all but admitted that.
[quote][p][bold]jack went up[/bold] wrote: “We took the club forward so quickly in the last season – no-one was expecting it, including the club – so things that you normally put in place as you’re going weren’t in place. “That sometimes catches you by surprise, recruitment structures, financial thinking – all of those things – so you have to ramp it up really quickly and with the market that’s running away.” bonus prize for who said this from an apparently well run club[/p][/quote]Most of what Dyche said today, I said weeks ago. Normally it takes a few seasons to build a squad ( slowly but surely ) to be capable of gaining promotion and more importantly, staying there. Burnley's promotion came out of the blue, unexpected to most of their own fans, if they are honest, and took the diectors and the club by surprise. The result is that they have entered the Premier League totally unprepared and Dyche had all but admitted that. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 2

11:18pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Garylla says...

In GB we trust. With Henley, Baptiste, Hanley, Killgallon, o'Connell, Duffy, Spurr, Olsson, Lowe we have enough quality in depth at the back...just need to select the best 4. We are going up, we are going up!! Having an early night ready to be in Walkabout in Wolves at 12.45 tomorrow to watch the destruction of the Dingles followed by Rovers cruising into the top 6.
Feels like Christmas Eve:) COYB
In GB we trust. With Henley, Baptiste, Hanley, Killgallon, o'Connell, Duffy, Spurr, Olsson, Lowe we have enough quality in depth at the back...just need to select the best 4. We are going up, we are going up!! Having an early night ready to be in Walkabout in Wolves at 12.45 tomorrow to watch the destruction of the Dingles followed by Rovers cruising into the top 6. Feels like Christmas Eve:) COYB Garylla
  • Score: 10

11:41pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Blueandwhitewolf says...

Tatts wrote:
The_Real_Oves wrote:
Great signing, could prove to be a bargain in a couple of years time. He was rated as The Championships top defender last season, even in a struggling Yeovil side (and Cairney obviously as the divisions top midfielder!)

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Yes, I think this could be another one of Bowyer's bargains.

I wonder if Moyes tipped off his mate Derek Shaw about this one.

So, we've now spent half as much as Burnley despite being £120m worse off.
That's because professional footballers want to play for blackburn rovers football club. They also still laugh at bumley football club.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The_Real_Oves[/bold] wrote: Great signing, could prove to be a bargain in a couple of years time. He was rated as The Championships top defender last season, even in a struggling Yeovil side (and Cairney obviously as the divisions top midfielder!) http://www.whoscored . com/Articles/ynblllz hjuegiuqa8pq7aw/Show /League-Focus-Champi onship-201314-Season -Review[/p][/quote]Yes, I think this could be another one of Bowyer's bargains. I wonder if Moyes tipped off his mate Derek Shaw about this one. So, we've now spent half as much as Burnley despite being £120m worse off.[/p][/quote]That's because professional footballers want to play for blackburn rovers football club. They also still laugh at bumley football club. Blueandwhitewolf
  • Score: 2

12:02am Sat 30 Aug 14

greenscreener says...

jack went up wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses.

I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth.

If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate:

Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down)
Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate)
Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur)
Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists)
Hanley - £4m (international)
Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King

All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.
these are some really great points , the auditing of the ffp position is really not clear. Straight losses may or may not yield a number outside the rules , but academy player development is unlimited so how much of the loss is assignable to this , the net value of players on the books against any loss is really relevant with a squad value over £30 m its a good security against any losses, and here in lies the problem, whos auditing it, under what rules and what if there challenged ? ffp waste of time
No, it's basic accounting, you are confusing two different things.

One is the Profit and Loss Accounts, where Operating Costs and Revenues are recorded, this is what the FFP rules relate to.

It is not the same as the Balance Sheet, where you will find the clubs assets and debts, which have no relevance to FFP.
[quote][p][bold]jack went up[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses. I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth. If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate: Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down) Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate) Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur) Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists) Hanley - £4m (international) Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.[/p][/quote]these are some really great points , the auditing of the ffp position is really not clear. Straight losses may or may not yield a number outside the rules , but academy player development is unlimited so how much of the loss is assignable to this , the net value of players on the books against any loss is really relevant with a squad value over £30 m its a good security against any losses, and here in lies the problem, whos auditing it, under what rules and what if there challenged ? ffp waste of time[/p][/quote]No, it's basic accounting, you are confusing two different things. One is the Profit and Loss Accounts, where Operating Costs and Revenues are recorded, this is what the FFP rules relate to. It is not the same as the Balance Sheet, where you will find the clubs assets and debts, which have no relevance to FFP. greenscreener
  • Score: 4

12:36am Sat 30 Aug 14

BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions says...

Garylla wrote:
In GB we trust. With Henley, Baptiste, Hanley, Killgallon, o'Connell, Duffy, Spurr, Olsson, Lowe we have enough quality in depth at the back...just need to select the best 4. We are going up, we are going up!! Having an early night ready to be in Walkabout in Wolves at 12.45 tomorrow to watch the destruction of the Dingles followed by Rovers cruising into the top 6.
Feels like Christmas Eve:) COYB
Good lad.
[quote][p][bold]Garylla[/bold] wrote: In GB we trust. With Henley, Baptiste, Hanley, Killgallon, o'Connell, Duffy, Spurr, Olsson, Lowe we have enough quality in depth at the back...just need to select the best 4. We are going up, we are going up!! Having an early night ready to be in Walkabout in Wolves at 12.45 tomorrow to watch the destruction of the Dingles followed by Rovers cruising into the top 6. Feels like Christmas Eve:) COYB[/p][/quote]Good lad. BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions
  • Score: -2

12:39am Sat 30 Aug 14

BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions says...

greenscreener wrote:
jack went up wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses.

I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth.

If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate:

Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down)
Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate)
Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur)
Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists)
Hanley - £4m (international)
Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King

All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.
these are some really great points , the auditing of the ffp position is really not clear. Straight losses may or may not yield a number outside the rules , but academy player development is unlimited so how much of the loss is assignable to this , the net value of players on the books against any loss is really relevant with a squad value over £30 m its a good security against any losses, and here in lies the problem, whos auditing it, under what rules and what if there challenged ? ffp waste of time
No, it's basic accounting, you are confusing two different things.

One is the Profit and Loss Accounts, where Operating Costs and Revenues are recorded, this is what the FFP rules relate to.

It is not the same as the Balance Sheet, where you will find the clubs assets and debts, which have no relevance to FFP.
This is true and something people are continually misunderstanding, as you point out.

If Rovers don't go up this season, i am very worried that a tidal wave of debt could engulf the club and threaten its existence as we know it.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack went up[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses. I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth. If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate: Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down) Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate) Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur) Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists) Hanley - £4m (international) Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.[/p][/quote]these are some really great points , the auditing of the ffp position is really not clear. Straight losses may or may not yield a number outside the rules , but academy player development is unlimited so how much of the loss is assignable to this , the net value of players on the books against any loss is really relevant with a squad value over £30 m its a good security against any losses, and here in lies the problem, whos auditing it, under what rules and what if there challenged ? ffp waste of time[/p][/quote]No, it's basic accounting, you are confusing two different things. One is the Profit and Loss Accounts, where Operating Costs and Revenues are recorded, this is what the FFP rules relate to. It is not the same as the Balance Sheet, where you will find the clubs assets and debts, which have no relevance to FFP.[/p][/quote]This is true and something people are continually misunderstanding, as you point out. If Rovers don't go up this season, i am very worried that a tidal wave of debt could engulf the club and threaten its existence as we know it. BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions
  • Score: -4

12:55am Sat 30 Aug 14

Tatts says...

greenscreener wrote:
jack went up wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses.

I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth.

If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate:

Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down)
Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate)
Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur)
Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists)
Hanley - £4m (international)
Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King

All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.
these are some really great points , the auditing of the ffp position is really not clear. Straight losses may or may not yield a number outside the rules , but academy player development is unlimited so how much of the loss is assignable to this , the net value of players on the books against any loss is really relevant with a squad value over £30 m its a good security against any losses, and here in lies the problem, whos auditing it, under what rules and what if there challenged ? ffp waste of time
No, it's basic accounting, you are confusing two different things.

One is the Profit and Loss Accounts, where Operating Costs and Revenues are recorded, this is what the FFP rules relate to.

It is not the same as the Balance Sheet, where you will find the clubs assets and debts, which have no relevance to FFP.
I'm not confusing it at all. The Balance sheet records assets and liabilities and appreciation of assets can be applied as a credit to the profit and loss account.

In the real world, there's no such thing as basic accounting.
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack went up[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses. I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth. If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate: Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down) Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate) Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur) Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists) Hanley - £4m (international) Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.[/p][/quote]these are some really great points , the auditing of the ffp position is really not clear. Straight losses may or may not yield a number outside the rules , but academy player development is unlimited so how much of the loss is assignable to this , the net value of players on the books against any loss is really relevant with a squad value over £30 m its a good security against any losses, and here in lies the problem, whos auditing it, under what rules and what if there challenged ? ffp waste of time[/p][/quote]No, it's basic accounting, you are confusing two different things. One is the Profit and Loss Accounts, where Operating Costs and Revenues are recorded, this is what the FFP rules relate to. It is not the same as the Balance Sheet, where you will find the clubs assets and debts, which have no relevance to FFP.[/p][/quote]I'm not confusing it at all. The Balance sheet records assets and liabilities and appreciation of assets can be applied as a credit to the profit and loss account. In the real world, there's no such thing as basic accounting. Tatts
  • Score: 0

1:39am Sat 30 Aug 14

keanoutofrovers says...

garry_stockton wrote:
So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship??
Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others..............

.
..................so

rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on..................

...........
FFP cant wait..............
January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script
So you think if a club was hit with a transfer embargo the first thing they would do is sell all their players !!!

Ooops, made a bit of a prat of yourself there haven't you!
[quote][p][bold]garry_stockton[/bold] wrote: So what happened to spending to get out of the Chumpionship?? Obviously Nodads dont practice what they preach to others.............. . ..................so rry forgot your skint !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how Chris Brown is getting on.................. ........... FFP cant wait.............. January Double bubble FFP and Fire sale at Deadwood you couldnt write the script[/p][/quote]So you think if a club was hit with a transfer embargo the first thing they would do is sell all their players !!! Ooops, made a bit of a prat of yourself there haven't you! keanoutofrovers
  • Score: 7

4:11am Sat 30 Aug 14

mjp 53 says...

BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp
ions
wrote:
Garylla wrote:
In GB we trust. With Henley, Baptiste, Hanley, Killgallon, o'Connell, Duffy, Spurr, Olsson, Lowe we have enough quality in depth at the back...just need to select the best 4. We are going up, we are going up!! Having an early night ready to be in Walkabout in Wolves at 12.45 tomorrow to watch the destruction of the Dingles followed by Rovers cruising into the top 6.
Feels like Christmas Eve:) COYB
Good lad.
Then you woke up out of your deep sleep, just in time to see Burnley beat United and Wolves demolish you lot. Nice to see you have bought one of our cast offs, blinding bit of business, can see you shipping loads of goals now. He was on loan at Yeovil last season and look what happened to them. Repeat performance please !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp ions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garylla[/bold] wrote: In GB we trust. With Henley, Baptiste, Hanley, Killgallon, o'Connell, Duffy, Spurr, Olsson, Lowe we have enough quality in depth at the back...just need to select the best 4. We are going up, we are going up!! Having an early night ready to be in Walkabout in Wolves at 12.45 tomorrow to watch the destruction of the Dingles followed by Rovers cruising into the top 6. Feels like Christmas Eve:) COYB[/p][/quote]Good lad.[/p][/quote]Then you woke up out of your deep sleep, just in time to see Burnley beat United and Wolves demolish you lot. Nice to see you have bought one of our cast offs, blinding bit of business, can see you shipping loads of goals now. He was on loan at Yeovil last season and look what happened to them. Repeat performance please !!!!! mjp 53
  • Score: -3

6:31am Sat 30 Aug 14

oggy 56 says...

mjp 53 wrote:
BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp

ions
wrote:
Garylla wrote:
In GB we trust. With Henley, Baptiste, Hanley, Killgallon, o'Connell, Duffy, Spurr, Olsson, Lowe we have enough quality in depth at the back...just need to select the best 4. We are going up, we are going up!! Having an early night ready to be in Walkabout in Wolves at 12.45 tomorrow to watch the destruction of the Dingles followed by Rovers cruising into the top 6.
Feels like Christmas Eve:) COYB
Good lad.
Then you woke up out of your deep sleep, just in time to see Burnley beat United and Wolves demolish you lot. Nice to see you have bought one of our cast offs, blinding bit of business, can see you shipping loads of goals now. He was on loan at Yeovil last season and look what happened to them. Repeat performance please !!!!!
heaton let in 83 goals for Bristol city and you got him so it dosen t work that way dick head
[quote][p][bold]mjp 53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp ions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garylla[/bold] wrote: In GB we trust. With Henley, Baptiste, Hanley, Killgallon, o'Connell, Duffy, Spurr, Olsson, Lowe we have enough quality in depth at the back...just need to select the best 4. We are going up, we are going up!! Having an early night ready to be in Walkabout in Wolves at 12.45 tomorrow to watch the destruction of the Dingles followed by Rovers cruising into the top 6. Feels like Christmas Eve:) COYB[/p][/quote]Good lad.[/p][/quote]Then you woke up out of your deep sleep, just in time to see Burnley beat United and Wolves demolish you lot. Nice to see you have bought one of our cast offs, blinding bit of business, can see you shipping loads of goals now. He was on loan at Yeovil last season and look what happened to them. Repeat performance please !!!!![/p][/quote]heaton let in 83 goals for Bristol city and you got him so it dosen t work that way dick head oggy 56
  • Score: 2

6:41am Sat 30 Aug 14

MatthewCA says...

Who is Duffy ? Everton centre back Shane Duffy from Republic of Ireland

Age :22, Tall ,strong lad, powerful in the air, dangerous on set pieces.
Tough kid, and he deserves an opportunity to play better than Burnley(the prem club with 0 points)
Duffy will return to the Premier League a better player,Yeovil did go down, but he was rated the best player in the championship last season with respect to center bacl list,
So it is a really reliable player to fit the bill and in the books of GB's Selection.

Welcome Home , Good luck Shane.

Could be interesting with Duffy, Brown and Gestede at set plays.
Who is Duffy ? Everton centre back Shane Duffy from Republic of Ireland Age :22, Tall ,strong lad, powerful in the air, dangerous on set pieces. Tough kid, and he deserves an opportunity to play better than Burnley(the prem club with 0 points) Duffy will return to the Premier League a better player,Yeovil did go down, but he was rated the best player in the championship last season with respect to center bacl list, So it is a really reliable player to fit the bill and in the books of GB's Selection. Welcome Home , Good luck Shane. Could be interesting with Duffy, Brown and Gestede at set plays. MatthewCA
  • Score: 5

8:29am Sat 30 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

jim 2012 wrote:
claret813 wrote:
I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January!
half the clubs in the championship will be banned from doing business
FFP has the potential to put most clubs out of business
if you cant invest you go broke and it doesn't matter what badge you have on your football shirt no one is immune we all suffer
complete and utter rubbish.

Firstly you can't "invest what you don't have" and you can't keep spending 2 X your income - like we are doing.

Also, your assumption that "most clubs will be effected" is based on what ?? - most clubs unlike Rovers) have been preparing for the implementation of FFP for at least 2 years and have their house in order.
[quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claret813[/bold] wrote: I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January![/p][/quote]half the clubs in the championship will be banned from doing business FFP has the potential to put most clubs out of business if you cant invest you go broke and it doesn't matter what badge you have on your football shirt no one is immune we all suffer[/p][/quote]complete and utter rubbish. Firstly you can't "invest what you don't have" and you can't keep spending 2 X your income - like we are doing. Also, your assumption that "most clubs will be effected" is based on what ?? - most clubs unlike Rovers) have been preparing for the implementation of FFP for at least 2 years and have their house in order. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 1

8:29am Sat 30 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

jim 2012 wrote:
claret813 wrote:
I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January!
half the clubs in the championship will be banned from doing business
FFP has the potential to put most clubs out of business
if you cant invest you go broke and it doesn't matter what badge you have on your football shirt no one is immune we all suffer
complete and utter rubbish.

Firstly you can't "invest what you don't have" and you can't keep spending 2 X your income - like we are doing.

Also, your assumption that "most clubs will be effected" is based on what ?? - most clubs unlike Rovers) have been preparing for the implementation of FFP for at least 2 years and have their house in order.
[quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claret813[/bold] wrote: I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January![/p][/quote]half the clubs in the championship will be banned from doing business FFP has the potential to put most clubs out of business if you cant invest you go broke and it doesn't matter what badge you have on your football shirt no one is immune we all suffer[/p][/quote]complete and utter rubbish. Firstly you can't "invest what you don't have" and you can't keep spending 2 X your income - like we are doing. Also, your assumption that "most clubs will be effected" is based on what ?? - most clubs unlike Rovers) have been preparing for the implementation of FFP for at least 2 years and have their house in order. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 1

8:31am Sat 30 Aug 14

owd nick says...

mjp 53 wrote:
BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp

ions
wrote:
Garylla wrote:
In GB we trust. With Henley, Baptiste, Hanley, Killgallon, o'Connell, Duffy, Spurr, Olsson, Lowe we have enough quality in depth at the back...just need to select the best 4. We are going up, we are going up!! Having an early night ready to be in Walkabout in Wolves at 12.45 tomorrow to watch the destruction of the Dingles followed by Rovers cruising into the top 6.
Feels like Christmas Eve:) COYB
Good lad.
Then you woke up out of your deep sleep, just in time to see Burnley beat United and Wolves demolish you lot. Nice to see you have bought one of our cast offs, blinding bit of business, can see you shipping loads of goals now. He was on loan at Yeovil last season and look what happened to them. Repeat performance please !!!!!
I would look at it slightly differently.

This is the worst, most disorganised, talentless Man U side I have seen since......forever.

If you can't beat them, or at the very least get a draw at the Turf then I wouldn't do any more crowing before games if I were you.
[quote][p][bold]mjp 53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp ions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garylla[/bold] wrote: In GB we trust. With Henley, Baptiste, Hanley, Killgallon, o'Connell, Duffy, Spurr, Olsson, Lowe we have enough quality in depth at the back...just need to select the best 4. We are going up, we are going up!! Having an early night ready to be in Walkabout in Wolves at 12.45 tomorrow to watch the destruction of the Dingles followed by Rovers cruising into the top 6. Feels like Christmas Eve:) COYB[/p][/quote]Good lad.[/p][/quote]Then you woke up out of your deep sleep, just in time to see Burnley beat United and Wolves demolish you lot. Nice to see you have bought one of our cast offs, blinding bit of business, can see you shipping loads of goals now. He was on loan at Yeovil last season and look what happened to them. Repeat performance please !!!!![/p][/quote]I would look at it slightly differently. This is the worst, most disorganised, talentless Man U side I have seen since......forever. If you can't beat them, or at the very least get a draw at the Turf then I wouldn't do any more crowing before games if I were you. owd nick
  • Score: 1

8:32am Sat 30 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

Tatts wrote:
Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses.

I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth.

If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate:

Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down)
Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate)
Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur)
Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists)
Hanley - £4m (international)
Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King

All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.
In a word NO - a players value is not listed on the accounts only the transfer fees.

Also, you keep saying QPR will get a big fine and they won't pay it therefore throwing the process into chaos - WRONG - FFP does not apply to QPR as they were only in the championship for 1 season and the teams relegated from the PL get a seasons grace.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses. I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth. If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate: Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down) Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate) Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur) Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists) Hanley - £4m (international) Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.[/p][/quote]In a word NO - a players value is not listed on the accounts only the transfer fees. Also, you keep saying QPR will get a big fine and they won't pay it therefore throwing the process into chaos - WRONG - FFP does not apply to QPR as they were only in the championship for 1 season and the teams relegated from the PL get a seasons grace. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 5

8:36am Sat 30 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

jack01 wrote:
Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan, Forest, Brighton, Bournemouth, QPR, Wolves - all posted losses last year which would see them outside the permitted £8 million loss that FFP permits.

The Football League have a big problem - are they really going to embargo half the division? And how are they planning on fining QPR £30 million now they are in the Premier League?

Rovers have taken drastic measures to reduce their wage bill by paying off the big earners - nobody can say they aren't trying to comply.
QPR face no fine - a club relegated from the PL get a seasons grace - and they were only in the championship for 1 season.

Stop posting complete and utter rubbish - FFP is designed to protect clubs from owners like ours - who continually pile up debt without taking difficult responsible financial decisions and whose actions continue to put the longterm future of BRFC at risk.
[quote][p][bold]jack01[/bold] wrote: Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan, Forest, Brighton, Bournemouth, QPR, Wolves - all posted losses last year which would see them outside the permitted £8 million loss that FFP permits. The Football League have a big problem - are they really going to embargo half the division? And how are they planning on fining QPR £30 million now they are in the Premier League? Rovers have taken drastic measures to reduce their wage bill by paying off the big earners - nobody can say they aren't trying to comply.[/p][/quote]QPR face no fine - a club relegated from the PL get a seasons grace - and they were only in the championship for 1 season. Stop posting complete and utter rubbish - FFP is designed to protect clubs from owners like ours - who continually pile up debt without taking difficult responsible financial decisions and whose actions continue to put the longterm future of BRFC at risk. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 2

8:48am Sat 30 Aug 14

Tatts says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses.

I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth.

If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate:

Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down)
Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate)
Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur)
Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists)
Hanley - £4m (international)
Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King

All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.
In a word NO - a players value is not listed on the accounts only the transfer fees.

Also, you keep saying QPR will get a big fine and they won't pay it therefore throwing the process into chaos - WRONG - FFP does not apply to QPR as they were only in the championship for 1 season and the teams relegated from the PL get a seasons grace.
Taken directly from the FFP website:

'QPR, Reading and Wigan will need to submit their accounts for the 2013/14 season to the Football League (and will be hit with a sanction if their 2013/14 accounts show that losses exceeded the permitted thresholds).'

Where have you got this information about there being a seasons grace for relegated clubs?
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses. I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth. If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate: Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down) Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate) Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur) Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists) Hanley - £4m (international) Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.[/p][/quote]In a word NO - a players value is not listed on the accounts only the transfer fees. Also, you keep saying QPR will get a big fine and they won't pay it therefore throwing the process into chaos - WRONG - FFP does not apply to QPR as they were only in the championship for 1 season and the teams relegated from the PL get a seasons grace.[/p][/quote]Taken directly from the FFP website: 'QPR, Reading and Wigan will need to submit their accounts for the 2013/14 season to the Football League (and will be hit with a sanction if their 2013/14 accounts show that losses exceeded the permitted thresholds).' Where have you got this information about there being a seasons grace for relegated clubs? Tatts
  • Score: 3

9:13am Sat 30 Aug 14

owd nick says...

JC quite correct on the QPR situation.

Had they not gone up they would have faced sanctions on losses reportedly in the region of £60 million, I can't remember the exact statement from the PL when the FA requested help in any potential action but it was along the lines of.

"Regarding the implications of FFP the PL has no jurisdiction over losses incurred by any club recently promoted to the PL from the Championship."

Regarding your statement "protect clubs from rubbish owners like ours", you need a reality check.

OK you don't like them, for the record neither do I, the difference is you hate them while I am totally ambivalent towards them.

FFP was introduced to prevent all clubs spending beyond their means, but as far as the statement "owners like ours" is concerned, well that is ridiculous.

Would Blackburn Rovers have won the PL if FFP was in place during Jack Walkers time, simple answer - no.

If FFP had been in place, say 10 years ago would Man City be where they are now, simple answer - extremely unlikely.

The current debts at Rovers are down to Venky's, no doubt, as for the current losses, ditto, but they have never been backward in coming forward when investment was needed, even when they were f*****g it up in the first instance.

Now FFP is stopping that investment for the foreseeable future.

If they decided to sell tomorrow they wouldn't get market value, they would either have to sell off the assets or write off the losses, each would incur massive penalties on the club, there wouldn't be any buyers because there wouldn't be any point under FFP, because they would be in the same boat as Venky's.

A rubbish owner would have pulled the plug long ago, had I been Venky's I would, no doubt, but that's the reason for my ambivalence, I can't understand what is going on with them.

You post a lot of sense and I agree with most of what you say, but you do also allow your hatred of Venky's to cloud your judgement.
JC quite correct on the QPR situation. Had they not gone up they would have faced sanctions on losses reportedly in the region of £60 million, I can't remember the exact statement from the PL when the FA requested help in any potential action but it was along the lines of. "Regarding the implications of FFP the PL has no jurisdiction over losses incurred by any club recently promoted to the PL from the Championship." Regarding your statement "protect clubs from rubbish owners like ours", you need a reality check. OK you don't like them, for the record neither do I, the difference is you hate them while I am totally ambivalent towards them. FFP was introduced to prevent all clubs spending beyond their means, but as far as the statement "owners like ours" is concerned, well that is ridiculous. Would Blackburn Rovers have won the PL if FFP was in place during Jack Walkers time, simple answer - no. If FFP had been in place, say 10 years ago would Man City be where they are now, simple answer - extremely unlikely. The current debts at Rovers are down to Venky's, no doubt, as for the current losses, ditto, but they have never been backward in coming forward when investment was needed, even when they were f*****g it up in the first instance. Now FFP is stopping that investment for the foreseeable future. If they decided to sell tomorrow they wouldn't get market value, they would either have to sell off the assets or write off the losses, each would incur massive penalties on the club, there wouldn't be any buyers because there wouldn't be any point under FFP, because they would be in the same boat as Venky's. A rubbish owner would have pulled the plug long ago, had I been Venky's I would, no doubt, but that's the reason for my ambivalence, I can't understand what is going on with them. You post a lot of sense and I agree with most of what you say, but you do also allow your hatred of Venky's to cloud your judgement. owd nick
  • Score: 10

10:34am Sat 30 Aug 14

Tatts says...

owd nick wrote:
JC quite correct on the QPR situation.

Had they not gone up they would have faced sanctions on losses reportedly in the region of £60 million, I can't remember the exact statement from the PL when the FA requested help in any potential action but it was along the lines of.

"Regarding the implications of FFP the PL has no jurisdiction over losses incurred by any club recently promoted to the PL from the Championship."

Regarding your statement "protect clubs from rubbish owners like ours", you need a reality check.

OK you don't like them, for the record neither do I, the difference is you hate them while I am totally ambivalent towards them.

FFP was introduced to prevent all clubs spending beyond their means, but as far as the statement "owners like ours" is concerned, well that is ridiculous.

Would Blackburn Rovers have won the PL if FFP was in place during Jack Walkers time, simple answer - no.

If FFP had been in place, say 10 years ago would Man City be where they are now, simple answer - extremely unlikely.

The current debts at Rovers are down to Venky's, no doubt, as for the current losses, ditto, but they have never been backward in coming forward when investment was needed, even when they were f*****g it up in the first instance.

Now FFP is stopping that investment for the foreseeable future.

If they decided to sell tomorrow they wouldn't get market value, they would either have to sell off the assets or write off the losses, each would incur massive penalties on the club, there wouldn't be any buyers because there wouldn't be any point under FFP, because they would be in the same boat as Venky's.

A rubbish owner would have pulled the plug long ago, had I been Venky's I would, no doubt, but that's the reason for my ambivalence, I can't understand what is going on with them.

You post a lot of sense and I agree with most of what you say, but you do also allow your hatred of Venky's to cloud your judgement.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/s
port/football/275388
02

Read this. According to the football leagues ffp rules, QPR are facing a hefty fine.

And if, as expected, QPR don't pay up then the football league may find it difficult to impose transfer bans on other clubs who fail ffp, which is the point I'm trying to make.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: JC quite correct on the QPR situation. Had they not gone up they would have faced sanctions on losses reportedly in the region of £60 million, I can't remember the exact statement from the PL when the FA requested help in any potential action but it was along the lines of. "Regarding the implications of FFP the PL has no jurisdiction over losses incurred by any club recently promoted to the PL from the Championship." Regarding your statement "protect clubs from rubbish owners like ours", you need a reality check. OK you don't like them, for the record neither do I, the difference is you hate them while I am totally ambivalent towards them. FFP was introduced to prevent all clubs spending beyond their means, but as far as the statement "owners like ours" is concerned, well that is ridiculous. Would Blackburn Rovers have won the PL if FFP was in place during Jack Walkers time, simple answer - no. If FFP had been in place, say 10 years ago would Man City be where they are now, simple answer - extremely unlikely. The current debts at Rovers are down to Venky's, no doubt, as for the current losses, ditto, but they have never been backward in coming forward when investment was needed, even when they were f*****g it up in the first instance. Now FFP is stopping that investment for the foreseeable future. If they decided to sell tomorrow they wouldn't get market value, they would either have to sell off the assets or write off the losses, each would incur massive penalties on the club, there wouldn't be any buyers because there wouldn't be any point under FFP, because they would be in the same boat as Venky's. A rubbish owner would have pulled the plug long ago, had I been Venky's I would, no doubt, but that's the reason for my ambivalence, I can't understand what is going on with them. You post a lot of sense and I agree with most of what you say, but you do also allow your hatred of Venky's to cloud your judgement.[/p][/quote]http://m.bbc.co.uk/s port/football/275388 02 Read this. According to the football leagues ffp rules, QPR are facing a hefty fine. And if, as expected, QPR don't pay up then the football league may find it difficult to impose transfer bans on other clubs who fail ffp, which is the point I'm trying to make. Tatts
  • Score: 2

11:16am Sat 30 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
jim 2012 wrote:
claret813 wrote:
I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January!
half the clubs in the championship will be banned from doing business
FFP has the potential to put most clubs out of business
if you cant invest you go broke and it doesn't matter what badge you have on your football shirt no one is immune we all suffer
complete and utter rubbish.

Firstly you can't "invest what you don't have" and you can't keep spending 2 X your income - like we are doing.

Also, your assumption that "most clubs will be effected" is based on what ?? - most clubs unlike Rovers) have been preparing for the implementation of FFP for at least 2 years and have their house in order.
Whereas in the real world, there actually only a handful out of the 24 clubs in this league who will NOT meet the FFP criteria.
Up to 60 % will fail...the whole concept is ill conceived and the loss threshold too low for the game in this day and age
But hey JC Troll, dont let that stop you from scare mongering..oh hang on
Anyway, what IS your solution Mr Know-it-all, apart from pitchforks at dawn for the owners?
Just asking like
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]claret813[/bold] wrote: I suppose they had to sign this guy now before the FFP ban kicks in in January![/p][/quote]half the clubs in the championship will be banned from doing business FFP has the potential to put most clubs out of business if you cant invest you go broke and it doesn't matter what badge you have on your football shirt no one is immune we all suffer[/p][/quote]complete and utter rubbish. Firstly you can't "invest what you don't have" and you can't keep spending 2 X your income - like we are doing. Also, your assumption that "most clubs will be effected" is based on what ?? - most clubs unlike Rovers) have been preparing for the implementation of FFP for at least 2 years and have their house in order.[/p][/quote]Whereas in the real world, there actually only a handful out of the 24 clubs in this league who will NOT meet the FFP criteria. Up to 60 % will fail...the whole concept is ill conceived and the loss threshold too low for the game in this day and age But hey JC Troll, dont let that stop you from scare mongering..oh hang on Anyway, what IS your solution Mr Know-it-all, apart from pitchforks at dawn for the owners? Just asking like Still a Wild Rover
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12:12pm Sat 30 Aug 14

greenscreener says...

Tatts wrote:
owd nick wrote:
JC quite correct on the QPR situation.

Had they not gone up they would have faced sanctions on losses reportedly in the region of £60 million, I can't remember the exact statement from the PL when the FA requested help in any potential action but it was along the lines of.

"Regarding the implications of FFP the PL has no jurisdiction over losses incurred by any club recently promoted to the PL from the Championship."

Regarding your statement "protect clubs from rubbish owners like ours", you need a reality check.

OK you don't like them, for the record neither do I, the difference is you hate them while I am totally ambivalent towards them.

FFP was introduced to prevent all clubs spending beyond their means, but as far as the statement "owners like ours" is concerned, well that is ridiculous.

Would Blackburn Rovers have won the PL if FFP was in place during Jack Walkers time, simple answer - no.

If FFP had been in place, say 10 years ago would Man City be where they are now, simple answer - extremely unlikely.

The current debts at Rovers are down to Venky's, no doubt, as for the current losses, ditto, but they have never been backward in coming forward when investment was needed, even when they were f*****g it up in the first instance.

Now FFP is stopping that investment for the foreseeable future.

If they decided to sell tomorrow they wouldn't get market value, they would either have to sell off the assets or write off the losses, each would incur massive penalties on the club, there wouldn't be any buyers because there wouldn't be any point under FFP, because they would be in the same boat as Venky's.

A rubbish owner would have pulled the plug long ago, had I been Venky's I would, no doubt, but that's the reason for my ambivalence, I can't understand what is going on with them.

You post a lot of sense and I agree with most of what you say, but you do also allow your hatred of Venky's to cloud your judgement.
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Read this. According to the football leagues ffp rules, QPR are facing a hefty fine.

And if, as expected, QPR don't pay up then the football league may find it difficult to impose transfer bans on other clubs who fail ffp, which is the point I'm trying to make.
As Tatts points out QPR will face a fine if their accounts fall foul of the FFP rules.

Obviously QPR may decide not to pay the fine as they are now in the Premier League, their main problem then will be that if they are relegated the Football League have no obligation to let them join the Championship.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: JC quite correct on the QPR situation. Had they not gone up they would have faced sanctions on losses reportedly in the region of £60 million, I can't remember the exact statement from the PL when the FA requested help in any potential action but it was along the lines of. "Regarding the implications of FFP the PL has no jurisdiction over losses incurred by any club recently promoted to the PL from the Championship." Regarding your statement "protect clubs from rubbish owners like ours", you need a reality check. OK you don't like them, for the record neither do I, the difference is you hate them while I am totally ambivalent towards them. FFP was introduced to prevent all clubs spending beyond their means, but as far as the statement "owners like ours" is concerned, well that is ridiculous. Would Blackburn Rovers have won the PL if FFP was in place during Jack Walkers time, simple answer - no. If FFP had been in place, say 10 years ago would Man City be where they are now, simple answer - extremely unlikely. The current debts at Rovers are down to Venky's, no doubt, as for the current losses, ditto, but they have never been backward in coming forward when investment was needed, even when they were f*****g it up in the first instance. Now FFP is stopping that investment for the foreseeable future. If they decided to sell tomorrow they wouldn't get market value, they would either have to sell off the assets or write off the losses, each would incur massive penalties on the club, there wouldn't be any buyers because there wouldn't be any point under FFP, because they would be in the same boat as Venky's. A rubbish owner would have pulled the plug long ago, had I been Venky's I would, no doubt, but that's the reason for my ambivalence, I can't understand what is going on with them. You post a lot of sense and I agree with most of what you say, but you do also allow your hatred of Venky's to cloud your judgement.[/p][/quote]http://m.bbc.co.uk/s port/football/275388 02 Read this. According to the football leagues ffp rules, QPR are facing a hefty fine. And if, as expected, QPR don't pay up then the football league may find it difficult to impose transfer bans on other clubs who fail ffp, which is the point I'm trying to make.[/p][/quote]As Tatts points out QPR will face a fine if their accounts fall foul of the FFP rules. Obviously QPR may decide not to pay the fine as they are now in the Premier League, their main problem then will be that if they are relegated the Football League have no obligation to let them join the Championship. greenscreener
  • Score: 2

12:16pm Sat 30 Aug 14

greenscreener says...

Tatts wrote:
greenscreener wrote:
jack went up wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses.

I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth.

If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate:

Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down)
Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate)
Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur)
Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists)
Hanley - £4m (international)
Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King

All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.
these are some really great points , the auditing of the ffp position is really not clear. Straight losses may or may not yield a number outside the rules , but academy player development is unlimited so how much of the loss is assignable to this , the net value of players on the books against any loss is really relevant with a squad value over £30 m its a good security against any losses, and here in lies the problem, whos auditing it, under what rules and what if there challenged ? ffp waste of time
No, it's basic accounting, you are confusing two different things.

One is the Profit and Loss Accounts, where Operating Costs and Revenues are recorded, this is what the FFP rules relate to.

It is not the same as the Balance Sheet, where you will find the clubs assets and debts, which have no relevance to FFP.
I'm not confusing it at all. The Balance sheet records assets and liabilities and appreciation of assets can be applied as a credit to the profit and loss account.

In the real world, there's no such thing as basic accounting.
But in the real world of football clubs the basic principle is that players value is only recognised in P&L when they are traded.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack went up[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Regarding FFP, presumably Rovers can include appreciation of assets (ie player values) as part of their profit and loss accounts, thus reducing the reported losses. I wonder if that's why they tempted Hull into making a bid for Rhodes, so that they could prove a point as to how much he's worth. If you look at some of the big fees being handed out for Championship players at present (ie McCormack, McArthur) and considering that a certain club can't even buy Championship players with bids of around £5M then I reckon you could argue that the following values are accurate: Rhodes - £15m (after all £12m was turned down) Gestede - £10m (which could well go up if keeps scoring at the same rate) Cairney - £7m (surely he's as good as McArthur) Conway - £4m (look at his number of assists) Hanley - £4m (international) Plus sizeable values for Evans, Marshall, Lowe, King All of a sudden the operating losses aren't looking that bad after all.[/p][/quote]these are some really great points , the auditing of the ffp position is really not clear. Straight losses may or may not yield a number outside the rules , but academy player development is unlimited so how much of the loss is assignable to this , the net value of players on the books against any loss is really relevant with a squad value over £30 m its a good security against any losses, and here in lies the problem, whos auditing it, under what rules and what if there challenged ? ffp waste of time[/p][/quote]No, it's basic accounting, you are confusing two different things. One is the Profit and Loss Accounts, where Operating Costs and Revenues are recorded, this is what the FFP rules relate to. It is not the same as the Balance Sheet, where you will find the clubs assets and debts, which have no relevance to FFP.[/p][/quote]I'm not confusing it at all. The Balance sheet records assets and liabilities and appreciation of assets can be applied as a credit to the profit and loss account. In the real world, there's no such thing as basic accounting.[/p][/quote]But in the real world of football clubs the basic principle is that players value is only recognised in P&L when they are traded. greenscreener
  • Score: 2

12:50pm Sat 30 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Tatts wrote:
owd nick wrote:
JC quite correct on the QPR situation.

Had they not gone up they would have faced sanctions on losses reportedly in the region of £60 million, I can't remember the exact statement from the PL when the FA requested help in any potential action but it was along the lines of.

"Regarding the implications of FFP the PL has no jurisdiction over losses incurred by any club recently promoted to the PL from the Championship."

Regarding your statement "protect clubs from rubbish owners like ours", you need a reality check.

OK you don't like them, for the record neither do I, the difference is you hate them while I am totally ambivalent towards them.

FFP was introduced to prevent all clubs spending beyond their means, but as far as the statement "owners like ours" is concerned, well that is ridiculous.

Would Blackburn Rovers have won the PL if FFP was in place during Jack Walkers time, simple answer - no.

If FFP had been in place, say 10 years ago would Man City be where they are now, simple answer - extremely unlikely.

The current debts at Rovers are down to Venky's, no doubt, as for the current losses, ditto, but they have never been backward in coming forward when investment was needed, even when they were f*****g it up in the first instance.

Now FFP is stopping that investment for the foreseeable future.

If they decided to sell tomorrow they wouldn't get market value, they would either have to sell off the assets or write off the losses, each would incur massive penalties on the club, there wouldn't be any buyers because there wouldn't be any point under FFP, because they would be in the same boat as Venky's.

A rubbish owner would have pulled the plug long ago, had I been Venky's I would, no doubt, but that's the reason for my ambivalence, I can't understand what is going on with them.

You post a lot of sense and I agree with most of what you say, but you do also allow your hatred of Venky's to cloud your judgement.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/s

port/football/275388

02

Read this. According to the football leagues ffp rules, QPR are facing a hefty fine.

And if, as expected, QPR don't pay up then the football league may find it difficult to impose transfer bans on other clubs who fail ffp, which is the point I'm trying to make.
Firstly the choice of the word fines or even transfer embargo's is misleading because it basically states it will happen, but as no-one actually knows what their or for that matter any other Championship clubs actual losses for the season just ended are it's pure conjecture at this point.

What is clear is that once each clubs financial position comes clearer the FA will seek to impose sanctions based on their FFP rules.

Please note FFP is based on trading losses calculated over a season, I have read recently that it may be two consecutive seasons.

The FA can seek to sanction QPR for any losses incurred last season but if they refuse to pay there is nothing the FA can do about it, however if a Championship club does the same they will be breaking FA rules, which can only result in more draconian sanctions.

The interesting bit as you say comes if, or more likely, when QPR are relegated back to the Championship, can the sanctions be made retrospective? I am not sure because they are not in the Football League now.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: JC quite correct on the QPR situation. Had they not gone up they would have faced sanctions on losses reportedly in the region of £60 million, I can't remember the exact statement from the PL when the FA requested help in any potential action but it was along the lines of. "Regarding the implications of FFP the PL has no jurisdiction over losses incurred by any club recently promoted to the PL from the Championship." Regarding your statement "protect clubs from rubbish owners like ours", you need a reality check. OK you don't like them, for the record neither do I, the difference is you hate them while I am totally ambivalent towards them. FFP was introduced to prevent all clubs spending beyond their means, but as far as the statement "owners like ours" is concerned, well that is ridiculous. Would Blackburn Rovers have won the PL if FFP was in place during Jack Walkers time, simple answer - no. If FFP had been in place, say 10 years ago would Man City be where they are now, simple answer - extremely unlikely. The current debts at Rovers are down to Venky's, no doubt, as for the current losses, ditto, but they have never been backward in coming forward when investment was needed, even when they were f*****g it up in the first instance. Now FFP is stopping that investment for the foreseeable future. If they decided to sell tomorrow they wouldn't get market value, they would either have to sell off the assets or write off the losses, each would incur massive penalties on the club, there wouldn't be any buyers because there wouldn't be any point under FFP, because they would be in the same boat as Venky's. A rubbish owner would have pulled the plug long ago, had I been Venky's I would, no doubt, but that's the reason for my ambivalence, I can't understand what is going on with them. You post a lot of sense and I agree with most of what you say, but you do also allow your hatred of Venky's to cloud your judgement.[/p][/quote]http://m.bbc.co.uk/s port/football/275388 02 Read this. According to the football leagues ffp rules, QPR are facing a hefty fine. And if, as expected, QPR don't pay up then the football league may find it difficult to impose transfer bans on other clubs who fail ffp, which is the point I'm trying to make.[/p][/quote]Firstly the choice of the word fines or even transfer embargo's is misleading because it basically states it will happen, but as no-one actually knows what their or for that matter any other Championship clubs actual losses for the season just ended are it's pure conjecture at this point. What is clear is that once each clubs financial position comes clearer the FA will seek to impose sanctions based on their FFP rules. Please note FFP is based on trading losses calculated over a season, I have read recently that it may be two consecutive seasons. The FA can seek to sanction QPR for any losses incurred last season but if they refuse to pay there is nothing the FA can do about it, however if a Championship club does the same they will be breaking FA rules, which can only result in more draconian sanctions. The interesting bit as you say comes if, or more likely, when QPR are relegated back to the Championship, can the sanctions be made retrospective? I am not sure because they are not in the Football League now. owd nick
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