MUSLIM ALL GIRLS SCHOOL IN CHRISTIAN BRITAIN...MULTICULTU
RISM EH???THAT SLAPS THE GOVERNMENTS PLANS IN THERE FACE,NOT MUCH CHANCE OF THEM GIRLS MIXING IN EH!!WHAT A COUNTRY...1 RULE FOR 1 AND 1 FOR ANOTHER...

As a British Muslim, i am glad that the govt is considering the oath of allegiance to Queen and country. Many many countries rich and poor have this sort of a thing its a shame us Brits do not. Hopefully restoring some pride in being British will resolve some of our societies problems. On a recent visit to Barbados most people there were extremely welcoming when they realised that i was a British, it was a real shame that some other 'so called brit' had one too many drinks and was taken away be police for urinating in the hotel pool. Hopefully having some national identity together with the introduction of some Tough United States style Policing will do away with our yobbish behaviour and allow people around the globe to associate a brit as being friendly, good natured and not a total yobbish idiot

all girls muslim school well what next. there would be an uproar if an all whites school this country is a joke and we aint all laughing

jean wrote:
all girls muslim school well what next. there would be an uproar if an all whites school this country is a joke and we aint all laughing

Islam is a religion, it has nothing to do with skin colour. The school is for Muslim girls, so opening a "white" school wouldnt be the same thing now would it? Last time I checked "white" wasnt a religion. For the record Im against all state funded religious schools. However it might be something if the education system managed to eradicate stupidness such as the kind you just demonstrated.

jean wrote:
all girls muslim school well what next. there would be an uproar if an all whites school this country is a joke and we aint all laughing

It says all GIRLS muslim school, and not all MUSLIM girls school as you are implying, you NUMPTY!!

And there are all GIRLS catholic schools as well as all GIRLS jewish schools in this country if you haven't noticed.

next we'll have an all kiddies school...

Can someone correct me if I am wrong, but being a Christian and obviously attended a Christian school I was under the assumption that ALL SCHOOLS have to take on pupils of other religions????
If so I can only assume this does not apply to Muslim schools.

Bemused

the school in question allows ANY girl to attend irrespectve of faith or creed. So long as they are willing to abide by their code of conduct (eg uniform etc) any parent from any faith can apply for their girl to attend the school in question.

Well done to the head for taking the lead and speaking out in support of Britishness. This is an example to individuals of all faiths. There is too much in the press about how religions and society cannot agree, however these coimments shgould be highlighted showing the positiveness that can be advocated.

khalid my friend you need to read there admissions criteria and you'll find out if anyone can apply or not.this school is a closed shop and only a privileged few get a place. i know from personnel experience

The good things about being British are, I don't feel the need to shout about it (or swear an oath), have a flag at the end of my driveway (USA style) or wear a badge declaring it. I just am British! and quietly happy in that knowledge. Britishness is an attitude join in when you're ready!!

Please note re commenst on exculsivity (from someone who really doies know). TGS follows EXACTLY the same guidance in setting its eligibity criteria as that set by all faith based schools nationally.
TGS IS affiliated to 4 local mosques which were instrunmental in its foundation and so NO DIFFERENT to other faith based schools and their respective church & parish allegiances. TGS DOES allow for non-muslim students in a similar fashion to other faith based schools. TGS has a very diverse workforce of all and non-faiths, ethnicity and gender.
TGS DOES face the same issues as a number of very successful schools nationally who suffer from over subscription due to their success - so not everyone can be appeased!

I am a bit shame for mufti hamid to say, that we have to show our allegiance to queen or country, but our allegiance should always be to god, thats what the bible, quran teaches. I agree we should be patriotic but not allegence to country or queen. How many would us be allegence King charles? after what he has done?Secondly, by taking an oath, does not makes us a better citizen, but by having good actions makes a better person.

Imran - perhaps you are misinformed. We need to embrace the concepts of multiple belongings and identities. Of course our allegiance is with our faith (whether Christian, Muslim etc.) but expressing allegiance to the country is not paradoxical - two sources of affiliation can function together. Allegiance to the country does not men blindly agreeing with the government either! Doctors, Solicitors, Magistrates and many othersalready swear an oath to the Monarch and this doe snot compromise ANY religious beliefs.

JUST GOS TO SHOW,THESE PEOPLE DONT WANT TO MIX..WASTE OF TIME TRYING WITH THEM..LEAVE THEM BE,THEVE CHIPS ON THERE SHOULDERS ANYWAY..ANY 1 WHOS NOT MUSLIM SHOULD MOVE TO AMERICA,LEAVE THEM LOT HERE,MAY AS WELL,LOOKS LIKE GOVERNMENT LOVE THEM

It is totally against Islam to pledge allegiance to the Head of the Church of England.

The Muslims allegience is only to Allah(swt), the Prophet(saw) and fellow Muslims.

The pledge of allegience in orthodox Islamic teachings is given to a Muslim Ameer or a Caliph.

Its' absurd to pledge allegience to a non-Muslim, let alone the Head of the Church of England.

Would non-Muslims pledege allegience to Islam? I very much doubt it, they've recently made their views very clear about Islam and "Shari'ah Law".

Muslims must be careful of 'uncle toms' in their communities promoting pledging allegience to the queen - who have no knowledge of the Quran and Prophetic Practice.

It would appear from a couple of the comments there are very fixed views, which smack of racism. Nothing any one can say or do will change the feelings of such members of our community. However, that does work both ways and there are extremists within all races and religions, as there have been throughout history.

It is often all too easy to blame immigration for all this country’s problems, but when taking a closer look at some of the more uncomfortable issues (many local), such as teenage pregnancy, binge drinking and its related violence, this has little to do with our Asian population.

The Head Teacher of this particular school appears to be in a no-win situation, as he is backing “being British”, wanting to encourage young Muslim members of our community to be proud not only of being Muslim, but of being part of this country. Yet he is still berated!

I don’t believe swearing an allegiance to Queen and/or country makes any difference to other beliefs, or a person’s faith and it should be remembered that not everyone has a faith in God or Allah, but it does not make them any less decent people. One can have values, morals and common decency, even be spiritual, without believing in any religion.

It may be difficult for some to come to terms with having faith schools other than Catholic and CofE in this country and I often hear arguments about “you wouldn’t get a Christian school over there”, but so what? That doesn’t make it right and if those members of our community want to feel that Britain is better than “those countries”, surely we should lead by example? Respect is needed throughout all communities, between all faiths (including atheists and agnostics) and all races.

Integration can also be difficult when there are areas around Blackburn, Darwen, Accrington, Great Harwood etc, that are predominately white and if an Asian family decided to buy a house in those areas, existing residents would be in uproar, with accusations made of “being taken over”, so Asian communities exist, another no-win situation in terms of integration.

Finally, as for who can join this particular school, I understand that it is currently located on premises that cannot meet the demand for places, which is high because the school is apparently very high-achieving. Admissions have to be based on the Local Authority’s rules and pupils do not have to be Muslim, but obviously would be expected to study and respect the faith, I am sure. As a non-Muslim, it would not be on my list of schools for sending my daughter, but then neither would a Catholic or Jewish school.

The comments by Hamid Patel was just to succour up to the non-muslim community and show a good image.

Most of the country has criticised Lord Goldsmiths report, but this headtheacher hasn't and i think thats because he is afraid to be called "not british".


The very notion of children swearing allegiance to an unelected head of state is the very opposite of the values we should nourish in this country, such as democracy, equality, fraternity and a sense of national identity.

To pressure the nation's young into taking an oath of allegiance to the Queen will surely create divisiveness.

She does not represent Britain. She is merely a figure of nationhood whihc reinforces both the idea, and the fact, of a social hierarchy.

Why should a Catholic youth swear allegiance to a Protestant monarch in the knowledge that no Catholic could ever sit on the English throne? Why, for that matter, should Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs find it rewarding to swear fealty to a monarchy with rules that forbid family members who dare to marry non-Protestant Christians from remaining in the line of succession. That's a brilliant lesson in inclusiveness, that shared sense of belonging that the government wishes to foster.

The queen has no infleunce on me politically, socially or economically. I will not swear an oath to her or her son who could beccome king. And most of the people will agree with me.

But I would have no problem if we were to have a constitution and then swearing to that.

What a numptee this Hamid Patel is.
You are alright to disagree Mr Patel and you wont be called less british!

Huzayfa! Firstly I think I should enlighten you to the fact that Mufti Hamid Patel is a much respected scholar within the local and national community. Secondly your defamation of his character and usage of words such as numptee is totally inappropriate, even if you disagree with someone at least use appropriate words to express yourself. Thirdly Mufti Patel doesn't say things just to make the Government or anyone else for that matter happy! He is well known for his views on Iraq and Palestine and would have carefully considered this proposal in-depth. Fourthly I have spoken to him directly and have ascertained a clarification that he supports an allegiance to the country which is not necessarily an allegiance to the Queen, which infact is no different to signing a constitution which you promote in your response. Don't believe everything you read in the paper!!!! Lastly an allegiance to this country has no contradiction with Islam, although there may be other Muftis who may have a different view that is for them to debate as scholars.

Abu Musa your comments with regards to the allegiance are not as clear cut as you imply. Many scholars would disagree with your viewpoint. It's people like you that make life increasingly difficult for Muslims and none Muslims in this country. Imran Ahmed

What I find extremely rude is that ex Tauheedul girls (who now attend St Wilfrids CHURCH OF ENGLAND 6th form, yes how ironic!) sit in the middle of our Cathedral Services listening to their ipods and mp3 players! How rude! To be honest, I think that the headmaster of 'Tauheedul Islam Girls High School' should hurry up and open up this post 16 (6th form) provision!

Ahmed Patel wrote:
As a British Muslim, i am glad that the govt is considering the oath of allegiance to Queen and country. Many many countries rich and poor have this sort of a thing its a shame us Brits do not. Hopefully restoring some pride in being British will resolve some of our societies problems. On a recent visit to Barbados most people there were extremely welcoming when they realised that i was a British, it was a real shame that some other \'so called brit\' had one too many drinks and was taken away be police for urinating in the hotel pool. Hopefully having some national identity together with the introduction of some Tough United States style Policing will do away with our yobbish behaviour and allow people around the globe to associate a brit as being friendly, good natured and not a total yobbish idiot

I'm glad someone is thinking on the same wavelength as i am. This is an excellent idea. It will make student feel as they belong to this country and give them a sence of pride. We should be proud to be British and i think it should be introduced to every school in Britain regardless of faith. She is our Queen and if you would like to live under a general Pakistan will hapily take you.

Another good point is zero tolerance policy on yobs, this will help clear up the scum from Whalley and Audley range while the counsellors **** foot around in their mercedes.

I am currently a student at this school and feel ashamed of the fact that I attend it!

The teachers only care about the results! 2008 results showed a 100% A*-C grades. Mr Hamid is expecting us 101%, promising us things that he does not give us.

I mean, how do you expect such a small school to cope with such large expectations. I am to be in Year 11, and I am grateful for the fact that I will leave soon, with the grades I always wanted, but no such gratefulness towards it.

If such simple things cannot be given, how can an 'Oath' be given to Her Majesty? Such a little promise cannnot even be made to us.

We are teenagers at the end of the day, and I hope people realise that it is very difficult time to cope with exam stress, etc. without anything to look forward to.

The school is not run properly and expects to make their own 6th form. How are they supposed to do that when they cannnot even run a basic school of 60 girls in each year group.

Furthermore, the school gets into personal matters and home life, where we are forced to not to watched television, go to cinemas and concerts etc. However, I do, and many other people do to, and I do not think the school has the right to do so!

You may be thinking why I don't leave this school then, but its only because of the grades do I go there and for my future. The fact that it is an 'Islamic ' school DISGUSTS me as there are girls swearing as much as anything; and trust me, I currently attend the school. In addition to this, many girls need to go into the wider world and not be so narrow-minded.

I also stay because of all the things they promise to do for us in the future. Now I have finally realised they do nowt, but I can't leave now, its too late as I am already in Year 11.

In conclusion, this school is no good, gives false promises and says that they are 'One big family' when they are liers and promisers who do not fulfill their promises. They all put an act on when visitors come.

So next time you visit, please say the truth to them. Its about time they realise...and end the suffering of us students!