Ex-Darwen councillor branded ‘foolish’ over EDL rally (From Blackburn Citizen)

Oh dear, Michael! the words "shot" and "foot" come to mind.

The English Defence Leauge have a right to Protest.

Wether you agree with them thats another thing.

duke bar wrote:
The English Defence Leauge have a right to Protest. Wether you agree with them thats another thing.

But Michael stated in the article that he is NOT a member of the EDL. For a man trying to rebuild his political persona, this seems to have been, as the paper says, "foolish".
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(Security word: fail-path)

Big respect to you Mr Johnson, finally someone brave enough to stand up for the downtrodden indigenous people. No more PC nonsense! sharia law courts must be closed and banned
Stop the islamification of England.

Ned D Kelly wrote:
Big respect to you Mr Johnson, finally someone brave enough to stand up for the downtrodden indigenous people. No more PC nonsense! sharia law courts must be closed and banned Stop the islamification of England.

Ned, all right-minded people are totally against radical islamists taking hold, but Sharia law will never be the threat you think it is. There are Sharia law courts operating now, but only in regard to civil matters such as divorce and the way in which it is handled within Islam. Jews have held similar courts for decades. We will never get to the point where criminal law is infected by sharia, and unless you're planning to convert (I'm not!), then Sharia law can never have any effect on you.

"Mr Johnson was elected to the borough council in 2006 for the England First Party which called for a ban on mixed-race marriages"

"Mr Johnson, who is of mixed race"

Hmm.. for some reason I have a feeling Mr Johnson won't be providing us with a cure for cancer any time soon.

Ian the Beancounter wrote:

Ned D Kelly wrote: Big respect to you Mr Johnson, finally someone brave enough to stand up for the downtrodden indigenous people. No more PC nonsense! sharia law courts must be closed and banned Stop the islamification of England.

Ned, all right-minded people are totally against radical islamists taking hold, but Sharia law will never be the threat you think it is. There are Sharia law courts operating now, but only in regard to civil matters such as divorce and the way in which it is handled within Islam. Jews have held similar courts for decades. We will never get to the point where criminal law is infected by sharia, and unless you're planning to convert (I'm not!), then Sharia law can never have any effect on you.

I would like to believe you Ian but unfortunately I have no faith in our gutless spineless PC politicians to stop this. Sharia law is one step in the islamification of England and now they have there foot in the door, how long before the islamic extremist demand full sharia law?
Ian I am not worried about the effect sharia will have on me its my children's future I am terrified about and the future of my country.
Most Muslims I discuss sharia with don't want those backward ways here.
If some Muslims want to live under sharia law then they should go and live in a country that has sharia like Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

The EDL's day out in Bradford cost about £1,000,000. They fought with each other in their pen and threw smoke bombs and stones. West Yorkshire Police should have provided better facilities - e.g. tyres for them to swing on.


Then a few decided to break out but ran swiftly back with their pants filled with copious amounts of faecal matter after getting a warm Yorkshire welcome from some Bradfordians.

All in all a good use of public money in these times.

Mr Johnson was elected to the borough council in 2006 for the England First Party which called for a ban on mixed-race marriages, black footballers playing for England, aid to Africa and virtually all immigration to England.

Where these not similar policys of Hitlers National Socialist party commonly called Nazis? And Mr Johnon is of mixed race? Makes you think what some people really think at times.

andy1

So it's not just the whites that are nazis now, is it Mr Staunch Labour man?
Anyone dare utter a true word & the leftie parasite brigade pop up with the boring usual tripe !!
Tell me ,which party are you joining next ? You've been in most of them !!

Mr Johnson thinks what a hell of alot of other English people think.

England is for everyone if you stick to our laws and customs .

As usual out pops the sage of padiham " a con" with his drivel about freedom of speech!!
This was won by the true heroes of the 2nd World War the fighter pilots who risked all for this country in the Battle of Britain. They are the ones who kept out the NAZIS.
As Winston Churchill said never has so much been owed by so many too so few.

Neo right wing fasciscts at this moment can be found in
-Russia
-Belarus
-East Germany
-Italy
-Holland
-USA
-England

It might help you " a con " as you possibly suffer from colour blindness that ALL these groups members are WHITE!!
I am sure yo do not support such right wing extremists!!
Mr Johnson like you is a little short of the facts and a little muddled!!

Yep typical of right-wing thickos the ENGLISH Defence League flying the flag of GREAT Britain UPSIDE DOWN

federico wrote:
The EDL's day out in Bradford cost about £1,000,000. They fought with each other in their pen and threw smoke bombs and stones. West Yorkshire Police should have provided better facilities - e.g. tyres for them to swing on. Then a few decided to break out but ran swiftly back with their pants filled with copious amounts of faecal matter after getting a warm Yorkshire welcome from some Bradfordians. All in all a good use of public money in these times.

£1,ooo,ooo were did you put that figure from? Not true
It looks to me that you think its funny some 15 young English lads got a good kicking and there heads smashed in by bricks from 200 plus muslims in Bradford? you call it a worn welcome from some Bradfordians! I wonder what you would call it if 200 EDL lads showed 15 muslim lads a bit of good old fashion English hospitality ??? I'm sure you would be crying to your mummies we didnt do nothing and those white Nazi fasist racist beat us up for nothing. And whats you swinging on tyres comment about? you sould like a anti British racist to me

in my opinion Michael Johnson has ever right to attend the EDL demo's if he feels that the EDL have a good cause...OMG whats this country coming to when you have no freedom of expression...i mean we've almost lost all of our free speech rights...i wish Michael all the best and i'd stand shoulder to shoulder with him any day...NS

Janet Dodd wrote:
Yep typical of right-wing thickos the ENGLISH Defence League flying the flag of GREAT Britain UPSIDE DOWN

Well at least there flying English flags not like your uaf friends flying communist and anarchist flags

Ned D Kelly wrote:

Ian the Beancounter wrote:

Ned D Kelly wrote: Big respect to you Mr Johnson, finally someone brave enough to stand up for the downtrodden indigenous people. No more PC nonsense! sharia law courts must be closed and banned Stop the islamification of England.

Ned, all right-minded people are totally against radical islamists taking hold, but Sharia law will never be the threat you think it is. There are Sharia law courts operating now, but only in regard to civil matters such as divorce and the way in which it is handled within Islam. Jews have held similar courts for decades. We will never get to the point where criminal law is infected by sharia, and unless you're planning to convert (I'm not!), then Sharia law can never have any effect on you.

I would like to believe you Ian but unfortunately I have no faith in our gutless spineless PC politicians to stop this. Sharia law is one step in the islamification of England and now they have there foot in the door, how long before the islamic extremist demand full sharia law? Ian I am not worried about the effect sharia will have on me its my children's future I am terrified about and the future of my country. Most Muslims I discuss sharia with don't want those backward ways here. If some Muslims want to live under sharia law then they should go and live in a country that has sharia like Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

Belief is your choice, Ned. The whole of the British Constitution would have to be overturned before Sharia Law, at its extreme, could be adopted here. The British people, no matter how liberal, would never allow it.
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Before I am accused of others of being an Islamic appeaser, which is far from the truth, allow me to explain my position.
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If a man is told that he and his family can have a far better life in another country, and will get benefits, health care, etc for free - then why would he refuse? If you live in a poor, dusty hovel and I say to you that I can take you to a place where you will never be short of money, the health problems of you and your family will be taken care of - for free. You will be given a house. WHY WOULD YOU REFUSE???? The problem we have is not the immigrants who seek a better life, but a system which allows it to the detriment of the country's resources. Whilst some immigrants play the system, just as many Brits do, don't place the blame of immigration on their shoulders - blame the politicians who set the system in place.

Colin Rigby, who is a Darwen area councillor said, 'We do not have any problems at all and these rantings of his show he is a rather foolish individual.

Mr Rigby, I think you are the foolish individual for sticking your head in the sand and declaring, 'We do not have any problems at all.'
There will always be problems in a multicultural society and your Utopia also suffers problems regardless of your denial.
Bravo to Michael Johnson for your bravery to declare your concerns which are shared by many in the UK, myself included.

akon wrote:
andy1

So it's not just the whites that are nazis now, is it Mr Staunch Labour man?
Anyone dare utter a true word & the leftie parasite brigade pop up with the boring usual tripe !!
Tell me ,which party are you joining next ? You've been in most of them !!

O my favouirite person is back. I believe youve been promoted now akon from thug to tea boy in Nicks office apparantly you scrub the bogs as well. Keep it up akon you might get to be his chauffer. In regards to partys not in one dont want to be in one. You was born a nob youll die a nob. Yes Ganja Man akon was on here before the General Election promising us at least 9 BNP MPs in the end we got none and now theres only two left on the Council. One of them Mr Starr was in trouble a few years ago I believe selling alchol to youve guessed it Under age. Again the party of law and order caught out. Its most be brilliant for akon to watch Nick get elected at just over 5% of a PR vote for Europe. We didnt get any trouble this time from akon and his cronies when delivering anti BNP material explaning people they con what they are all about . You know what I mean Ganja Man. I am told akon was forewarned the Old Bill where watching a few of them due to previouse complaints over their threats etc.

West Yorkshire police have said the operation cost them £500,000. Add in what the council spent and the loss of trade and wages on a normally busy Saturday and £1,000,000 is a very conservative estimate.

As for the EDL being injured by bricks, yes it happened, but the bricks were thrown by other EDL chavscum.

An EDL chavscum was also run over by a car that he was attempting to damage - as filmed on Sky News and much viewed on youtube. He would have been a worthy recipient of a Darwin Award, but unfortunately he only broke a leg.

As for the other EDL "martyrs" they decided to climb an 8-foot fence assault police officers and then made their way to Forster Sq where they attacked some locals. It's hard to be too sympathetic when they got a well deserved hiding for their pains. Again their humiliation has been preserved for prosterity on youtube.

What's becoming of our country? Back in the day our football thugs were a waste of space and oxygen, but at least they could fight. But can be said for these EDL window-lickers?

Strange how the 'opponents' of EDL are always ready to denounce them as the trouble makers, producing 'youtube' evidence to substantiate their claim.
How surprising they fail to notice the violence on the part of the UAF and it's supporters towards the EDL.
You should be a journalist Federico. They commonly twist the truth to suit!

Well said Andy1, a brilliant post and so true about " a con".
The BNP is on a decline into a very very small party.
This was predicted before the general election.
Well done for explaining to the people what the BNP really stand for.
Padiham and Burnley people are rejecting the fascists and thuggery of the BNP members locally. They are being exposed.
Oh and it is true Andy1, that the specialist sections of Lancashire Police are keeping an eye on the thugs who hang around around this so called political party.
Onwards and upwards to
Unite Against Fascism.
(UAF)

EDL, UAF.......who cares? They're all a bunch of violent knuckle-draggers who deserve each other

'Oh and it is true Andy1, that the specialist sections of Lancashire Police are keeping an eye on the thugs who hang around around this so called political party.' says Ganja man'

Great news! About time the police recognised the UAF were thugs too!

Thought you might be interested in this Ganja man and anyone else who cares to discover the truth of the UAF:-

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=yqe1n5cE8
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Ian the Beancounter wrote:

Ned D Kelly wrote:

Ian the Beancounter wrote:

Ned D Kelly wrote: Big respect to you Mr Johnson, finally someone brave enough to stand up for the downtrodden indigenous people. No more PC nonsense! sharia law courts must be closed and banned Stop the islamification of England.

Ned, all right-minded people are totally against radical islamists taking hold, but Sharia law will never be the threat you think it is. There are Sharia law courts operating now, but only in regard to civil matters such as divorce and the way in which it is handled within Islam. Jews have held similar courts for decades. We will never get to the point where criminal law is infected by sharia, and unless you're planning to convert (I'm not!), then Sharia law can never have any effect on you.

I would like to believe you Ian but unfortunately I have no faith in our gutless spineless PC politicians to stop this. Sharia law is one step in the islamification of England and now they have there foot in the door, how long before the islamic extremist demand full sharia law? Ian I am not worried about the effect sharia will have on me its my children's future I am terrified about and the future of my country. Most Muslims I discuss sharia with don't want those backward ways here. If some Muslims want to live under sharia law then they should go and live in a country that has sharia like Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.

Belief is your choice, Ned. The whole of the British Constitution would have to be overturned before Sharia Law, at its extreme, could be adopted here. The British people, no matter how liberal, would never allow it. . Before I am accused of others of being an Islamic appeaser, which is far from the truth, allow me to explain my position. . If a man is told that he and his family can have a far better life in another country, and will get benefits, health care, etc for free - then why would he refuse? If you live in a poor, dusty hovel and I say to you that I can take you to a place where you will never be short of money, the health problems of you and your family will be taken care of - for free. You will be given a house. WHY WOULD YOU REFUSE???? The problem we have is not the immigrants who seek a better life, but a system which allows it to the detriment of the country's resources. Whilst some immigrants play the system, just as many Brits do, don't place the blame of immigration on their shoulders - blame the politicians who set the system in place.

I don't blame the immigrants and I do blame our cowardice politicians. I agree with you Ian, well said

Thank you, Ned.

ganja man wrote:
Well said Andy1, a brilliant post and so true about " a con". The BNP is on a decline into a very very small party. This was predicted before the general election. Well done for explaining to the people what the BNP really stand for. Padiham and Burnley people are rejecting the fascists and thuggery of the BNP members locally. They are being exposed. Oh and it is true Andy1, that the specialist sections of Lancashire Police are keeping an eye on the thugs who hang around around this so called political party. Onwards and upwards to Unite Against Fascism. (UAF)

ganja man has been smoking to much drugs if he thinks UAFreedom are on there way up! the smelly tramps of the commie United Against Freedom are finished, there numbers are dwindling because they **** scared of EDL. uaf don't know what to do because EDL refuse to be bullied and always fight back. 30 uaf traitors arrested in Brighton on the weekend plus 9 out of 14 arrested in Bradford. hahaha police finally seeing who real fascists are and uaf Nazi racists comment trying to demonise the EDL are not working

The UAF were not involved in any violence. Bothe the UAF and Hope Not Hate demos were completely peaceful (according to WYP). The fights in Forster Sq and elsewhere were between Bradfordians and the EDL. And the EDL were well and truly battered and humiliated.


They came. They lost. They left.


Interestingly their deputy leader - the well known Soul Crew hooligan Jeff "Stabber" Marsh - didn't even turn up for the demo. I guess he had a good idea how it would turn out!

federico wrote:
The UAF were not involved in any violence. Bothe the UAF and Hope Not Hate demos were completely peaceful (according to WYP). The fights in Forster Sq and elsewhere were between Bradfordians and the EDL. And the EDL were well and truly battered and humiliated.


They came. They lost. They left.


Interestingly their deputy leader - the well known Soul Crew hooligan Jeff "Stabber" Marsh - didn't even turn up for the demo. I guess he had a good idea how it would turn out!

Federico, please tell me where I can purchase those rose tinted spectacles!

Ian the Beancounter wrote:
Oh dear, Michael! the words "shot" and "foot" come to mind.

I thought Mr Johnson done very well standing up for what the believes is in, defending the indigenous people of this country.

Ian the Beancounter wrote:

duke bar wrote: The English Defence Leauge have a right to Protest. Wether you agree with them thats another thing.

But Michael stated in the article that he is NOT a member of the EDL. For a man trying to rebuild his political persona, this seems to have been, as the paper says, "foolish". . (Security word: fail-path)

While the conduct of these so-called residents is shameful, what about those supposedly "good" men who do nothing? Those stand on the other side and do nothing but watch as their brothers are being slandered, slaughtered and devoured, they cease being innocent bystanders and idle spectators. Their failure to act not only allows evil to triumph, but makes them just as guilty as the spiritual cannibals they refuse to reprove, rebuke or stand up to.

Ian the Beancounter wrote:
EDL, UAF.......who cares? They're all a bunch of violent knuckle-draggers who deserve each other

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

In response to the article re my speaking at the EDL demonstration in Bradford. I spoke to the Telegraph reporter for some length explaining what I believe, that is Islamist have no place in the UK. I noticed how well she portrayed the content of our conversation re the difference between Islamists and Muslims. It’s strange all the Muslims I know denounce the Islamists as extremists and not true Muslims. Let’s see what Salem Mullah the 9k accused benefit or Colin Rigby the leader who needed me to take over running the council, has to say about Islamists and supporters of extreme Islam, do they support them or do they denounce them. It is far too easy to stand back and make comments about what people stand for without making your own stance clear. I could do that it would be simple, but if I did that the people of Darwen would have a split site leisure centre exactly what they did not want. You have to stand up and fight to make things change. The fact is I will always stand and make my point as I have nothing to hide and I will answer any question put to me by anybody. I agreed to share a stage in London with political Islamists on a live sky TV debate earlier this year. Unfortunately for me once they listened to my answers to their questions and read my questions put to them, they decided to pull out at the last moment. I am not a ranting bigot but an educated person who has looked into this subject from all sides. What is continuing to astound me is the way no one is allowed to speak about or question Islam and Islamic fundamentalists. WHY? Islamists want an Islamic state in the UK with full fundamentalist Sharia law to govern the people of England. This means the end of our church, government, freedom of speech, freedom or our human rights and any form of self expression according to the dictates of these Islamists. All gay/lesbian groups and all women’s rights will be removed and the country will be under the total command of a single Islamist cleric. This is fact and it is well documented and filmed using their own words by people such as Anjem Choudary who was heavily involved with the government, until they kicked him out. So for once let’s hear what our outspoken Muslim Councillors and our politically correct council leaders have to say about the issue of Islamic Fundamentalists and Islamists in our borough. I hear comments about me fighting this problem but I have yet to hear a single comment or word denouncing these Islamists from a single councillor in public, funnily enough I have had many councillors denounce them to me in private. Hypocrites or frightened that is the question. So go on Lancashire Telegraph do your job and ask the questions to the ones that count or are you also to frighten to do so. Michael Johnson

Michael Johnson wrote:
In response to the article re my speaking at the EDL demonstration in Bradford. I spoke to the Telegraph reporter for some length explaining what I believe, that is Islamist have no place in the UK. I noticed how well she portrayed the content of our conversation re the difference between Islamists and Muslims. It’s strange all the Muslims I know denounce the Islamists as extremists and not true Muslims. Let’s see what Salem Mullah the 9k accused benefit or Colin Rigby the leader who needed me to take over running the council, has to say about Islamists and supporters of extreme Islam, do they support them or do they denounce them. It is far too easy to stand back and make comments about what people stand for without making your own stance clear. I could do that it would be simple, but if I did that the people of Darwen would have a split site leisure centre exactly what they did not want. You have to stand up and fight to make things change. The fact is I will always stand and make my point as I have nothing to hide and I will answer any question put to me by anybody. I agreed to share a stage in London with political Islamists on a live sky TV debate earlier this year. Unfortunately for me once they listened to my answers to their questions and read my questions put to them, they decided to pull out at the last moment. I am not a ranting bigot but an educated person who has looked into this subject from all sides. What is continuing to astound me is the way no one is allowed to speak about or question Islam and Islamic fundamentalists. WHY? Islamists want an Islamic state in the UK with full fundamentalist Sharia law to govern the people of England. This means the end of our church, government, freedom of speech, freedom or our human rights and any form of self expression according to the dictates of these Islamists. All gay/lesbian groups and all women’s rights will be removed and the country will be under the total command of a single Islamist cleric. This is fact and it is well documented and filmed using their own words by people such as Anjem Choudary who was heavily involved with the government, until they kicked him out. So for once let’s hear what our outspoken Muslim Councillors and our politically correct council leaders have to say about the issue of Islamic Fundamentalists and Islamists in our borough. I hear comments about me fighting this problem but I have yet to hear a single comment or word denouncing these Islamists from a single councillor in public, funnily enough I have had many councillors denounce them to me in private. Hypocrites or frightened that is the question. So go on Lancashire Telegraph do your job and ask the questions to the ones that count or are you also to frighten to do so. Michael Johnson

Great challenge Michael, I await the outcome though I will not hold my breath.

As usual the trolls and the misinformed come crawling out of the woodwork to comment on matters they know nothing about. Yet again comments are made about me that are once again so far off the mark it makes me wonder why they bother posting. All the information you need is in the telegraphs archive. In 2006 i stated i am not against Muslims but i am an English Nationalist and i am totally against Islamists. I left England first, a party i was never a member of after a short time in office. I was applauded and congratulated by all parties and also asked to join the labour group. You see the problem i have is i am not a low life hypocrite who will not stand up for what he believes in. Nor am i an alleged benefit cheat who is involved with the council of Mosques supporting all that is right for the Islamic cause that is his right. It is a bit rich when on one hand you attack the west and all it stands for then you take money for disabilities (that i can’t see) which seem not to bother him in the execution of any of his duties as a senior councillor. The fact is we have councillors in power that will not face up to the fact that we have a problem in this country with Islamists. 7/7 was proof no one could miss. Paul Goodman conservative MP and part of the committee looking into the Islamist threat concluded:
"George Orwell once wrote of the ‘deep, deep sleep of England, from which I sometimes fear that we shall never wake till we are jerked out of it by the roar of bombs. ‘On 7/7, we heard the roar of bombs in London. I sometimes worry that the deep, deep sleep that Orwell described in the 1930s is still here in relation to Islamism in sections of the Government, parts of the political and media establishment, the House and the country. This is one of the most urgent problems facing us, and if we are in that deep, deep sleep, it is time for all of us to wake up."
If the government can say these things and this is the fear of all parties within the House of Commons. Please tell me why idiots in the council and brain dead posters have a problem when a resident says only what our esteemed leaders of this country are saying as well as the majority of the people on the streets.
So once again i will reiterate what i said in public. Britain is under attack and this is a social, political and ideologically sustained attack. Islamists will not stop until they have an Islamic state which will revoke all the freedoms you enjoy now. Any form of outspoken words against this regime will result in death. So Ian the Bean and all you others who enjoy the freedom of speech you so willingly abuse others because they exercise that same right. You will all have to be careful because without doubt you will be the first up against the wall.
Like i said it is easy to sit back and fight from your bedroom but it is the ones who take to the streets and put their heads above the parapet to be shot at that affect change, and it is these people who have afforded you the freedom to be able to rant on line without fear of being attacked or arrested by the state.
Michael Johnson

Thats it i have said my bit and replied to the comments, now lets hear from the other councillors under their own names. I wait with little hope.

Well done Mr Johnson, about time someone showed some balls on this subject, which is a very valid one and echoes the feelings of a lot more Brits than the few who attend these things.
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I would attend but the small element that go to these things for a 'good scrap' ruin it for the ones who want to make opinions heard in a hopefully constructive and productive atmosphere.
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I have no desire to maim or injure anyone that has alternate views to my own, but I should be able to express them openly without fear of being bottled!
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When will the 'thug' element realise they are even less likely to get the outcome they so desperately want while they continue to behave like animals! the support is out there, but YOU are scaring it into the shadows!
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You may represent my views but are doing it in a way I want no part of.

useyourhead wrote:
Well done Mr Johnson, about time someone showed some balls on this subject, which is a very valid one and echoes the feelings of a lot more Brits than the few who attend these things.
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I would attend but the small element that go to these things for a 'good scrap' ruin it for the ones who want to make opinions heard in a hopefully constructive and productive atmosphere.
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I have no desire to maim or injure anyone that has alternate views to my own, but I should be able to express them openly without fear of being bottled!
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When will the 'thug' element realise they are even less likely to get the outcome they so desperately want while they continue to behave like animals! the support is out there, but YOU are scaring it into the shadows!
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You may represent my views but are doing it in a way I want no part of.

Well said, useyourhead.

Michael Johnson said:
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"So once again i will reiterate what i said in public. Britain is under attack and this is a social, political and ideologically sustained attack. Islamists will not stop until they have an Islamic state which will revoke all the freedoms you enjoy now. Any form of outspoken words against this regime will result in death. So Ian the Bean and all you others who enjoy the freedom of speech you so willingly abuse others because they exercise that same right. You will all have to be careful because without doubt you will be the first up against the wall."
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Michael, this is such blatant scare-mongering that I'm shocked that even you could come out with it! I'd expect it from a shaven headed EDL thug, but I thought you had more about you.
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The fact is that fundamental Islamists are a very, very small minority who make a lot of noise. Yes, they are guilty of atrocities, and yes, they want the UK to become an Islamic state. But this will NEVER happen because the British people, including the vast majority of Muslims living here, would not allow it. The whole of our Constitution would have to be ripped up and our legal system would have to be scrapped.
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Now, if you really believe that this is even a remote possibility, then you are more deluded than I and many others thought you were.
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If you want to get your face in the papers to try and resurrect your political life, then why not choose a more sensible hobby horse?

useyourhead wrote:
Well done Mr Johnson, about time someone showed some balls on this subject, which is a very valid one and echoes the feelings of a lot more Brits than the few who attend these things. - I would attend but the small element that go to these things for a 'good scrap' ruin it for the ones who want to make opinions heard in a hopefully constructive and productive atmosphere. - I have no desire to maim or injure anyone that has alternate views to my own, but I should be able to express them openly without fear of being bottled! - When will the 'thug' element realise they are even less likely to get the outcome they so desperately want while they continue to behave like animals! the support is out there, but YOU are scaring it into the shadows! - You may represent my views but are doing it in a way I want no part of.

Being a guest speaker is not the same as being a front line actavist, both have their place and they both have a roll. What you must understand is the EDL do have some people who are not there for the EDL and do have another agenda in mind. I have seen the EDL attempting to combat this and the much publicised fighting among them selves is infact EDL stewards throwing out some infiltrators who are intent on attacking the police. Look at the UAF! they are so badly infiltrated by the ultra leftwing the same left wing the labour party fought to get rid of they have lost controll of the group. A situation also not widly reported is that the UAF has more than double infact treble the number of arrests than the EDL. They have also had members arrested for carring knives in brighton and urging member to kill the EDL members. The UAF are the only group who have arrests where their members have been arrested for assault with intent against the police. In Brighton last week a police officer was attacked by the UAF and he was rescued by the supporters of March for England who the police thanked for their intervention. This group is supported by the unions and left wing labour. I speak for England at English and British events with the hope that some will understand the fight is against exstremists who are against our country and i dont care what coulor they are they have no place in this country. If i have to go to events to do so i will. If i sit back and do nothing then i am as much a part of the problem as any idiot attacking the police. Just as a foot note. The EDL will kick out any overt racist they find and will remove anyone who does not conform to EDL ideals, as they did at Bradford which again was also not reported even though it was filmed.
Michael

Whoops in my rush to respond I named the flag in the photo as being of Great Britain. It is of the United Kingdom (not including Wales which is a principality) but is still not the flag of England. It is a flag that includes the flags of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland. These people also threatened and beat up passengers on the train back to East Lancs - why? Because someone objected to their loutish behaviour not their racist views. These people are not patriots they are an embarassment to this country. If you go to protest vociferally in someone else's town you will get a reaction - after all isn't that what you wanted? Reminds me of the good old days when being a football fan wasn't about watching a match but about kicking someone's head in.

The UAF may be infiltrated by the SWP, but the EDL are controlled at the very top by criminals.

Jeff Marsh, for example, got a 5 year banning order earlier this year for possession of a knuckleduster after he was arrested for affray outside Ninian Park.

BTW this guy isn't a kid - he's middle-aged. And what has he done with his life except stab people and write illiterate tomes boasting of his violent exploits?

Why exactly should we be listening to the Cardiff Soul Crew for advice on what's wrong with society?

Mic hael Johnson needs to get a grip of the fact that the EDL has a very racist agenda.If he thinks along with the other coconuts in the EDL that by being at the side of these racists they are one of them,they are very much foolish.Why would a mixed race individual side with racists,maybe it could be he is ashamed of his mixed heritage.No matter how many times you look in the mirror my friend you will always see the coffee colour in youre face.Be proud of youre heritage not ashamed to the point that you need approval from the chavvy,unemployed yobs if the EDL.Today their target is muslims tommorrow it will move onto some other group.Maybe they will move onto the coffee coloured people in their ranks.

useyourhead wrote:
Well done Mr Johnson, about time someone showed some balls on this subject, which is a very valid one and echoes the feelings of a lot more Brits than the few who attend these things. - I would attend but the small element that go to these things for a 'good scrap' ruin it for the ones who want to make opinions heard in a hopefully constructive and productive atmosphere. - I have no desire to maim or injure anyone that has alternate views to my own, but I should be able to express them openly without fear of being bottled! - When will the 'thug' element realise they are even less likely to get the outcome they so desperately want while they continue to behave like animals! the support is out there, but YOU are scaring it into the shadows! - You may represent my views but are doing it in a way I want no part of.

well you just sit on the fence them mate and believe all the lies the left wing media and anti British traitors say about the EDL.
If you to gutless to step forward onto the streets, don't slag the brave people who do!
people like you make me sick, running your mouth about 1000s of people you know nothing about.
You just carry on making excuses to cover your inaction by demonizing the people fighting for our freedom.

abdullah wrote:
Mic hael Johnson needs to get a grip of the fact that the EDL has a very racist agenda.If he thinks along with the other coconuts in the EDL that by being at the side of these racists they are one of them,they are very much foolish.Why would a mixed race individual side with racists,maybe it could be he is ashamed of his mixed heritage.No matter how many times you look in the mirror my friend you will always see the coffee colour in youre face.Be proud of youre heritage not ashamed to the point that you need approval from the chavvy,unemployed yobs if the EDL.Today their target is muslims tommorrow it will move onto some other group.Maybe they will move onto the coffee coloured people in their ranks.

you are the racist abdullah, If you weren't so thick in the head you would see the EDL reject racism and have done from the start. EDL leaders have black children and Asian wife's but you still try beat them down with the racist stick. well abdullah we proud Brits don't care about you pathetic attempts at demonising EDL, we are not going to sit back and let anti British muslims like you destroy our heritage because we are scared of a words like rasist Nazi and fasist and now you have a new one to beat us with- islamiphobic.
Your comments above clearly show you are a narrow minded racist bigot yourself

federico wrote:
The UAF may be infiltrated by the SWP, but the EDL are controlled at the very top by criminals. Jeff Marsh, for example, got a 5 year banning order earlier this year for possession of a knuckleduster after he was arrested for affray outside Ninian Park. BTW this guy isn't a kid - he's middle-aged. And what has he done with his life except stab people and write illiterate tomes boasting of his violent exploits? Why exactly should we be listening to the Cardiff Soul Crew for advice on what's wrong with society?

Jeff Marsh is not even EDL you clown. Please try and get some facts right for once in your life and stop spreading your pathetic lies. Jeff Marsh is welsh and is not even a member of the WDL he is the leader of casuals united.
Did you see that Jeff Marsh is leader of the Casuals United and has nothing to do with EDL " FACT "
Im sick of you uaf anti British commies traitor spreading you vile lies

EDL are racist,xenophobic,fa
scist,islam
athobes who bring nothing but trouble and chaos wherever they hold their protests and marches.Protesting outside places of holy woeship,what a great example of downright abuse of the freedom of speech,assembley.Tho

se who lost their lives fighting against the fascists in the 1st and 2nd world wars were the true Brits.Not the EDL scum who are a downright disgrace to this great nation of ours.You fool nob
ody with youre poisonous rhetoric bordeing on the ludicrous.Hypocracy is something enshrined in the EDL manual.Why dont the EDL just say what they feel that they dont like dark skinned people.People like the enlightened councillor are only tolerated because they give a false legitimacy to this chav group.

"Jeff Marsh is not even EDL "..

Hmm..

Lets look at "Tommy Robinson's" statement published on Sunday, 25 July 2010 15:09

Paragraph 6:
" I will in no way be stepping back from the EDL and upon return from a short break away that I am taking, I will take my position back on the leadership along with Jack Smith, Trev Kelloway and Geoff Marsh."

Ned im a true patriot who has to speak out against mindless,spineless EDL thuggery.The edl is the equivlant of the chav jihadi brigade.Brainless twits travelling up and down the country on benefits,get a job you scroungers.Im sick and tired of paying taxes to sickos like the EDL crew who give this great nation a bad name.Ned go do some evening classes,carry on where you left off.Get some decent gcse grades.It will hopefuly get you out and about meeting people to broaden youre horizon.Even racists see the errors of their ways,so theirs still hope for you.Ill pray for you in this blessed holy month of ramadhan that you see the light.

federico wrote:
"Jeff Marsh is not even EDL ".. Hmm.. Lets look at "Tommy Robinson's" statement published on Sunday, 25 July 2010 15:09 Paragraph 6: " I will in no way be stepping back from the EDL and upon return from a short break away that I am taking, I will take my position back on the leadership along with Jack Smith, Trev Kelloway and Geoff Marsh."

Jeff Marsh has been added to the end of that statement by you or someone else and they have spelt his name wrong, you uaf clowns not very smart are you?. Jeff Marsh is the leader of Casuals United and is a friend of EDL but is definitely NOT EDL leadership and never has been! so stop lying and trying to mislead people.
I wish he was in the EDL leadership he is a clever and good bloke, but the truth is he is NOT

God save our queen,long may this land be prosperous for all its citizens of different races,creeds and religions.Ned stop quoting from the illiterate dumb EDL manual.Think for yourself stop quoting phraes from the right wing sick material youve been reading.British muslim and very proud of it.Its the benefit scroungers going on their violent tours of the British Isles who are the traitors.Britain needs to set up a Guantanamo Bay equivlant for these uneducated,useless,t
raitors who represent themselves as the EDL louts.You have cost the tax payers enough with the policing bills,go take up something to keep yourselves amused like finding work.

abdullah wrote:
God save our queen,long may this land be prosperous for all its citizens of different races,creeds and religions.Ned stop quoting from the illiterate dumb EDL manual.Think for yourself stop quoting phraes from the right wing sick material youve been reading.British muslim and very proud of it.Its the benefit scroungers going on their violent tours of the British Isles who are the traitors.Britain needs to set up a Guantanamo Bay equivlant for these uneducated,useless,t raitors who represent themselves as the EDL louts.You have cost the tax payers enough with the policing bills,go take up something to keep yourselves amused like finding work.

How dare you try demonise 1000s of indigenous people. England is there country not yours, If you don't like the indigenous people of this country then leave.
How dare you say build a guantanamo bay for local white people! you are a bad racist abdullah.
It is big mouth muslims like you that always complaining slagging of our youth that course lots of racial hatred.
The EDL are not rasist and are here to stay so get used to it.
EDL not racist not violent just no longer silent.

Guantanamo bay equivlant for the trai
tors who are the EDL.Spreading their vicous vile poisonous lies up and down the country.The indiginous weither muslims.sikhs,hindus
,buddhists,christian
s have had enought of these arrogant EDL hate mongers.England is mine too,i love it,wouldnt live anywhere else.You Ned represent the hardcore redneck minority,who live in fantasy land.Those pot noodles you have for breakfast,lunch,dinn
er is corroding youre brain cells.You cant think straight just like youre brethren in the EDL,utter human garbage.

abdullah wrote:
Guantanamo bay equivlant for the trai tors who are the EDL.Spreading their vicous vile poisonous lies up and down the country.The indiginous weither muslims.sikhs,hindus ,buddhists,christian s have had enought of these arrogant EDL hate mongers.England is mine too,i love it,wouldnt live anywhere else.You Ned represent the hardcore redneck minority,who live in fantasy land.Those pot noodles you have for breakfast,lunch,dinn er is corroding youre brain cells.You cant think straight just like youre brethren in the EDL,utter human garbage.

You really do have a bad impression of the indigenous English people I would call them bigoted racist views. Thank God for people like Mick Johnson, hopefully he will put anti British muslims like you in your place.
If you have a problem with people like me and Mr Johnson then that is your problem. You are free to leave

abdullah wrote:
Ned im a true patriot who has to speak out against mindless,spineless EDL thuggery.The edl is the equivlant of the chav jihadi brigade.Brainless twits travelling up and down the country on benefits,get a job you scroungers.Im sick and tired of paying taxes to sickos like the EDL crew who give this great nation a bad name.Ned go do some evening classes,carry on where you left off.Get some decent gcse grades.It will hopefuly get you out and about meeting people to broaden youre horizon.Even racists see the errors of their ways,so theirs still hope for you.Ill pray for you in this blessed holy month of ramadhan that you see the light.

abdullah if you are a muslim...
if you're not an extremist...
and if you have not declared jihad on my country...
why do you fear the EDL?

"Jeff Marsh has been added to the end of that statement "

You must we're idiots. Google the quote from the statement and you will find hits on several EDL sites - and a post by "Tommy" on the EDL's facebook page, stored forever in google's cache!

Jeff Marsh is very much part of the EDL leadership - even though he chickened-out of going to Bradford.

"(Jeff Marsh) is a clever and good bloke"

That confirms what everone suspects about the EDL.

Their idea of a "good bloke" is someone with umpteen convictions for stabbings and violence. At the age of 45 he was convicted again this year and received a banning order and suspended jail term.

He has wasted 30 years of his life on this hooligan stupidity and in his middle age is using the EDL to provide the "agro" he can't get at football grounds. What a sad muppet.

It's uterly pathetic.

I dont fear the hooligans that are the EDL.In that they are good comical value,they should be given their own slot on tv,it would be a great laugh.Ned im staying why dont you and youre EDL scum buddies move away.Create youre own little fascist commune,preferabely in some remote poutpost in outer Alaska.Im a proud British Muslim,a true patriot,who has a lot of pride for my England.You Ned are not one of us patriots,along with youre EDL national disgrace buddies go buzz off.

abdullah wrote:
Mic hael Johnson needs to get a grip of the fact that the EDL has a very racist agenda.If he thinks along with the other coconuts in the EDL that by being at the side of these racists they are one of them,they are very much foolish.Why would a mixed race individual side with racists,maybe it could be he is ashamed of his mixed heritage.No matter how many times you look in the mirror my friend you will always see the coffee colour in youre face.Be proud of youre heritage not ashamed to the point that you need approval from the chavvy,unemployed yobs if the EDL.Today their target is muslims tommorrow it will move onto some other group.Maybe they will move onto the coffee coloured people in their ranks.

You see the best thing about being right is knowing your right. I am slated in the press for making a statement re Islamists and all the bloggers are off on their own flights of uniformed fancy. You see the problem i have is i am not uninformed and it is not a flight of fancy. As the following article points out quite nicely.


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Radical Islam is world's greatest threat - Tony Blair
Tony Blair has been making the rounds following the publication of his memoirs Former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair has described radical Islam as the greatest threat facing the world today.

He made the remark in a BBC interview marking the publication of his memoirs.

Mr Blair said radical Islamists believed that whatever was done in the name of their cause was justified - including the use of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.

Mr Blair, who led Britain into war in Afghanistan and Iraq, denied that his own policies had fuelled radicalism.

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Asked about the argument that Chechens, Kashmiris, Palestinians, Iraqis and Afghans were resisting foreign occupation, he said Western polices were designed to confront radical Islamists because they were "regressive, wicked and backward-looking".

The aim of al-Qaeda in Iraq was "not to get American troops out of Baghdad to destabilise a government the people of Iraq have voted for", he told the BBC's Owen Bennett Jones in a World Service interview.

'Stronger will'
The former British leader - who now acts as the Middle East envoy for the international Quartet - said that Iran was one of the biggest state sponsors of radical Islam, and it was necessary to prevent it by any means from developing a nuclear weapon.

"We need to give a message to Iran that is very clear - that they cannot have nuclear weapons capability, and we will stop them," he said.

Mr Blair said he was not advocating military action, but simply saying no option could be taken off the table.

Iran denies pursuing a nuclear weapons programme, and insists its atomic work is for civilian purposes.

Mr Blair told the BBC his view of foreign policy had changed as a result of the 9/11 attacks: "After 11 September, rightly or wrongly, I felt the calculus of risk had changed.

"There is the most enormous threat from the combination of this radical extreme movement and the fact that, if they could, they would use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons.

"You can't take a risk with that happening."

Mr Blair said he agonised over how to respond to radical Islam and still had doubts that he was right.

These are really difficult issues, he said, but added: "This extremism is so deep that in the end they have to know that they're facing a stronger will than theirs."

Mr Blair has also expressed optimism about the prospect of peace in the Middle East. Direct talks between the Israelis and the Palestinians began in Washington on Thursday.

Speaking in Dublin, on the prime-time entertainment programme The Late Late Show, Mr Blair said he believed the Middle East peace process was similar to Northern Ireland - and would be successful.


Just let me know if you missed the bit where the government of this country think this is our biggest threat.

So for all you critics and the Lancashire Telegraph and all of you who have attacked me for speaking on this issue. I can say one thing.
Go and stuff your selves as you are so full of it you have not got the faintest idea of what is happening around you and you have no understanding of events that will in the end affect you so deeply that you will not see it till your up against the wall or picking bits of your friends up from the street because you were in the wrong place at the right time. WHICH I HAVE HAD TO DO THAT.
So please dont tell me about Islamists as i have been fighting them Since 1983 for real.

Please excuse the cursing as it is not my usual style but ignorance from others around me never fails to astound me.
None so blind as thoes who will not see. We call them Liberal Democrats and Labour party vote dealers.

Its like the 70's again!!!!
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You must grasp the fact the EDL is yet another transformation of the NF-BNP-EDL.
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Controlled by the Zionist Anti-Defamation League, in sync with UKIP.
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I attended some of the rallies in the 70's, i thought on the anti-nazi side, but found those leading the anti Nazi rallies were the very ones who began the violence.
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A clear indication the EDL are in control of both opposing sides, which will lead to only a violent conclusion. So ignore the Zionist show altogether and hey presto, you begin to use the correct weapon against all things race riots and the aftermath of such insanity.
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Muslims...if you react to this you are as guilty as the racists, ignore them is the key.....

Not only that, but if Blair is getting on the bandwagon, we need to be extremely informed as it relates to the current Labour leader election, because both the Milliband brothers are Zionist to the core, David being the chle of Blair and lord levy and indeed lord sainsbury.
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Big moves to ferment riots in the pipeline, we the people always suffer by definition of the martial law aspect to such situations....you have to see the bigger picture and jump out of the religious blame game.

@Michael Johnson Grow a brain.

Blair is talking about radical Islamists. The EDL spout hatred of all Muslims.

Since you are not deaf I suppose you head the chants of "Allah is a ****" and "We love the floods", but were happy to be associated with these scum. That isn't surprising given you were happy to represent the England First Party.

Ned D Kelly wrote:

useyourhead wrote: Well done Mr Johnson, about time someone showed some balls on this subject, which is a very valid one and echoes the feelings of a lot more Brits than the few who attend these things. - I would attend but the small element that go to these things for a 'good scrap' ruin it for the ones who want to make opinions heard in a hopefully constructive and productive atmosphere. - I have no desire to maim or injure anyone that has alternate views to my own, but I should be able to express them openly without fear of being bottled! - When will the 'thug' element realise they are even less likely to get the outcome they so desperately want while they continue to behave like animals! the support is out there, but YOU are scaring it into the shadows! - You may represent my views but are doing it in a way I want no part of.

well you just sit on the fence them mate and believe all the lies the left wing media and anti British traitors say about the EDL. If you to gutless to step forward onto the streets, don't slag the brave people who do! people like you make me sick, running your mouth about 1000s of people you know nothing about. You just carry on making excuses to cover your inaction by demonizing the people fighting for our freedom.

thank-you for helping validate my point perfectly sir!
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that is exactly the retarded interaction i would expect, you are doing a great job of destroying your own arguement.
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WHICH I HAVE TO DO THAT.Learn to speak the Queens english properly.The illiterate EDL mob maybe able to understand you but most of us do not speak this chavvy version of english Mr.Johnson my African friend.So you have been fighting Islamists since 1983,where exactly was this may i ask?
You know the best thing is knowing when youre wrong you admit being wrong.

federico wrote:
@Michael Johnson Grow a brain. Blair is talking about radical Islamists. The EDL spout hatred of all Muslims. Since you are not deaf I suppose you head the chants of "Allah is a ****" and "We love the floods", but were happy to be associated with these scum. That isn't surprising given you were happy to represent the England First Party.

Which proves my point exactly and shows you to be an absolute muppet and idiot as you don't have the basic ability to read. Lokk at the article above and learn to read then use that skill to understand the big words like against and not. Even better readt it understand what the reporter has said then post you muppet. I am sick of dealing with idiots.

said he was not against Muslims, but Islamists, who have ‘a rigid ideology, not a religion, which involves taking over the country and our people’.

And just to point you in the right direction and show you how uninformed you are. IU am totally opposed to that chant and i have posted why on line but just for you i will show you why.

Allah: Allah is the proper name in Arabic for The One and Only God, The Creator and Sustainer of the universe. It is used by the Arab Christians and Jews for the God (Eloh-im in Hebrew; Allaha in Aramaic, the mother tongue of Jesus). The word Allah does not have a plural or gender. Allah does not have any associate or partner, and He does not beget nor was He begotten. Is an abbreviation of Arabic words that mean 'Glory Be to Him.'

So chanting that is stupid and i do not allow it anywhere i speak.
You might try asking me about my beliefs and lets see how you can fight your corner as i can fight my own corner.
To top it all i am also not a lieing cheating council politician that says one thing to the paper yet say another in private. Two faced and cowards for not standing up for their own beliefs.

For the last five years I have been on the fringes of the world of party politics. Mainly what the media like to call “far right”. To me this is a non -scenical term as I can only see what I believe in is common sense. Do I have a problem with any other colours, creeds or races living in this country? No! Do have a problem with other colours, creeds and races telling me how I should live, think and speak and ramming their own religion and way off life down my throat? To **** right I have!
I also have a huge problem with other religions terrifying their so called brothers and sisters into cow towing to their dictates with threat on their own lives or the lives of other family members in a far off country.
Our country needs to wake up and smell the roses when it comes to the Muslim fundamentalist that have infiltrated our country. Yes it is only the Muslim extremists that are causing the problems both for the indigenous people of this country and their fellow religious and countrymen that want just want to live a peaceful and “normal” life. Being allowed to practice their religion of peace without being told they have to commit atrocities against anyone that does not worship in the same way as them. There are thousands of Muslims that live in fear of these people, not being allowed to socialize with their white friends or enjoy the freedom that we take for granted in our western world. What makes me even more annoyed is the Muslims that wear, what can only be described as an all out show of alliance to the militant cause, the hard core Muslim dress both male and female. That our government allow this blatant act of association is unbelievable. The other day I went for fuel at a supermarket and on the pump was a sign that read “ Please remove crash helmets for dispensing any fuel” where was the sign saying “ please remove burka’s before dispensing and fuel”? What’s the difference? Are we saying that people in crash helmets will steal fuel but anyone in a burka won’t? How does a security camera know who is under that burka? It could be anyone, male or female. The same applies to going in a bank anyone could take a shotgun under all that garb and no one would be the wiser! Why do we allow these people to dictate the laws of our land?
If we allow these people to carry on dictating to us how we should live then in my son’s life time we will be living under their laws or their will be a religious war. What side do you think our army and police force will come down on? Remember that thousands of our sons and daughters have died trying to stop the extremists imposing their will on their own people! The same people that are now threatening our way of life! Why should my 73yearold mother in law feel too intimated to walk through Blackburn town centre on her own due to the gangs of Muslim youths that push a shove their way through the precinct?
What most people don’t grasp is that over all the country we have only approx 1.3% Muslim population of these only a handful are doing all the murders and problems that this community are being associated with. Why are such a small amount of people being allowed to cause such disruption and distress? The Chinese population far outnumber the Muslims. Do we ever here of them kicking off, being suicide bombers, rioting, threatening in numerous speeches to wipe all non believers in their religion off the face of the earth? Never! Have they allowed the Triads to terrorise out country? No!
I have many friends that follow the peaceful and beautiful Muslim religion. The one that follows the original Koran and it’s teachings, not the basterdised version that these lunatic extremists follow. What would happen if the Christians followed the bible word for word especially the old testament? We would be gouging out people eyes and pulling out teeth left right and centre! The Koran just like the bible is a book written by a man. A man that wanted his followers to lead a good life looking after his fellow man not kicking **** out of anyone that didn’t like what he said. Both of these original storytellers would have liked everyone to follow his way of life but I’m sure that neither would have wanted anyone that had different view blown to bits.
Please David Cameron and Nick Clegg do something about this before it is too late. Just because you need the Muslim vote try and understand that it’s only the vote the Mulla’s tell their believers to do. The medrasa’s are teaching grounds for the lunatic Mulla’s that are all over the country and these few destroy all the good work that the genuine Mulla’s are doing. A lot of Mulla’s are now teaching their students the original way of the Koran of peace and love but are still outweighed by the lunatic few. Try helping these good honest people to build a relationship with the rest of our communities.
I believe that we can live together, worship our own individual religions and respect our individual ways of life without trying to enforce our will on other people. For all God’s sake get a grip and get this sorted out before it’s too late!
May your God go with you