Council hits back after company puts Blackburn in top 10 worst for empty shops

Council hits back after company puts Blackburn in top 10 worst for empty shops

Council hits back after company puts Blackburn in top 10 worst for empty shops

First published in Blackburn Blackburn Citizen: Photograph of the Author by , Local government reporter

NEW figures which put Blackburn town centre in the top ten worst medium-sized retail areas for empty shops have been fiercely contested by the borough council.

A survey by the Local Data Company said Blackburn centre has more than a quarter of its retail premises vacant, placing it seventh worst in the UK.

Its latest figure of 27.7 per cent of shops empty in June is 1.4 per cent up on a year ago and more than double June 2009’s 11.7 per cent.

This is significantly worse than both the national 14.6 per cent average and the North West average, the highest in the UK, of 20.1 per cent.

Blackburn’s figure in the LDS survey is in sharp contrast to Burnley where town centre retail vacancies fell from 19.2 per cent at the end of 2010 to 17.7 per cent in June this year.

Burnley’s own estimate is 15.5 per cent, Blackburn with Darwen council claims the true figure as of yesterday was 11.2 per cent, 55 vacant properties out of 491 inside the town’s orbital route, excluding the Mall which has an eight per cent vacancy rate, after remaining fairly constant around the seven per cent mark up to January 2012.

Regeneration boss Dave Harling said the LDC figure used an outdated 2004 government definition of the town centre shopping core and includes the old market building with 300 closed retail stalls in its figure for empty outlets, a site now earmarked for supermarket redevelopment.

The report “Too Many Shops” surveyed 145,000 outlets in 506 town centres.

Coun Harling said: “We don't recognise the high vacancy rates quoted by the Local Data Company for Blackburn.

“Although our vacancy rates have increased this year in common with many town centres, independent research has told us that the town centre is performing well against other similar centres in the North West.

“What skews the figures is the much wider boundary areas quoted as town centre as well as the inclusion of vacant sites such as the old markets which is due for demolition.”

Tony Duckworth President, of Blackburn Chamber of Trade, said: “In the run up to Christmas we are worried that the growing number of empty shops will put people off coming to the town centre. The main shopping area has moved from Northgate and Sudell Cross towards Church Street and the Mall. Empty shops in this area need sorting out.”

LDC director Matthew Hopkinson said the definition used for Blackburn’s shopping core was the Department for Communities and Local Government’s official one.

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11:53am Thu 6 Sep 12

Stuart Farquar says...

Lost in the high street, where the dogs run
Roaming suburban boys
Mother's got a hairdo to be done
She says they're too old for toys
Stood by the bus stop with a felt pen
In this suburban hell
And in the distance a police car
To break the suburban spell

Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia

Break the window by the town hall
Listen, the siren screams
There in the distance, like a roll call
Of all the suburban dreams

Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
I only wanted something else to do but hang around
I only wanted something else to do but hang around
I only wanted something else to do but hang around
I only wanted something else to do but hang around

It's on the front page of the papers
This is their hour of need
Where's a policeman when you need one
To blame the colour TV?

Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia

Take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia

Run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
You can't hide
In Suburbia
Lost in the high street, where the dogs run Roaming suburban boys Mother's got a hairdo to be done She says they're too old for toys Stood by the bus stop with a felt pen In this suburban hell And in the distance a police car To break the suburban spell Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia Break the window by the town hall Listen, the siren screams There in the distance, like a roll call Of all the suburban dreams Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia I only wanted something else to do but hang around I only wanted something else to do but hang around I only wanted something else to do but hang around I only wanted something else to do but hang around It's on the front page of the papers This is their hour of need Where's a policeman when you need one To blame the colour TV? Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia Take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia Run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia You can't hide In Suburbia Stuart Farquar
  • Score: -6

12:18pm Thu 6 Sep 12

burner says...

Dave, I wonder, if, yet again, this decline ( in MANY of our towns) will ever be linked to parking policies? Plenty , other than just me, from all over the country, reckon so in their own locality.
Dave, I wonder, if, yet again, this decline ( in MANY of our towns) will ever be linked to parking policies? Plenty , other than just me, from all over the country, reckon so in their own locality. burner
  • Score: 5

12:30pm Thu 6 Sep 12

midas says...

If a shopper cannot afford £2-£3 to park their car, how much are they going to spend in the shops?
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Driving to a town with free parking - don't you spend more in petrol than parking costs?
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Perhaps the decline is because shoppers don't want to traipse up and down the high street in inclement weather and would rather go to a supermarket or shopping centre? Adverts leave us to believe that supermarkets are always better value for money than local shops and people shop accordingly.
If a shopper cannot afford £2-£3 to park their car, how much are they going to spend in the shops? . Driving to a town with free parking - don't you spend more in petrol than parking costs? . Perhaps the decline is because shoppers don't want to traipse up and down the high street in inclement weather and would rather go to a supermarket or shopping centre? Adverts leave us to believe that supermarkets are always better value for money than local shops and people shop accordingly. midas
  • Score: 2

12:43pm Thu 6 Sep 12

ghanto says...

discrimination and rent increases and incorrect parking tickets are to blame
discrimination and rent increases and incorrect parking tickets are to blame ghanto
  • Score: 0

1:16pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

I used to shop in Blackburn all the time, but I'm so scared of what they might have done to the road system this week I'm just no prepared to put my self through it any more.
I used to shop in Blackburn all the time, but I'm so scared of what they might have done to the road system this week I'm just no prepared to put my self through it any more. Michael@ClitheroeSince58
  • Score: 1

1:30pm Thu 6 Sep 12

ladysal says...

Whilst I appreciate that empty shops is an issue for Blackburn - as indeed it is for many other town centres across the country, using a picture of a row of shops which are earmarked for imminent demolition smacks of sensationalism on the part of the LT to me. Prior to the demolitions plans coming into force, every shop on that stretch was open and thriving: correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't they all moved to new premises in the same area?
Whilst I appreciate that empty shops is an issue for Blackburn - as indeed it is for many other town centres across the country, using a picture of a row of shops which are earmarked for imminent demolition smacks of sensationalism on the part of the LT to me. Prior to the demolitions plans coming into force, every shop on that stretch was open and thriving: correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't they all moved to new premises in the same area? ladysal
  • Score: 3

2:30pm Thu 6 Sep 12

HairyBowls says...

lol the parking charges, high business rates and stupid road systems and crazy town planning...the council hits back? LOL...you lot destroyed it!
lol the parking charges, high business rates and stupid road systems and crazy town planning...the council hits back? LOL...you lot destroyed it! HairyBowls
  • Score: 3

4:34pm Thu 6 Sep 12

nonjob says...

"Regeneration boss" Dave Harling, in the real world, would have been sacked years ago, along with the rest of the useless parasites in Blackburn council.

But in local gov la la land, he will probably get a pay increase.

The Tax Payers' Alliance have an article on their site at the moment, by Tim Newark, on this very issue: How councils are doing a fine job of killing our town centres.

Keep paying your extortionate council tax bills people!

w w w.nonjob.tumblr.com
"Regeneration boss" Dave Harling, in the real world, would have been sacked years ago, along with the rest of the useless parasites in Blackburn council. But in local gov la la land, he will probably get a pay increase. The Tax Payers' Alliance have an article on their site at the moment, by Tim Newark, on this very issue: How councils are doing a fine job of killing our town centres. Keep paying your extortionate council tax bills people! w w w.nonjob.tumblr.com nonjob
  • Score: 1

4:46pm Thu 6 Sep 12

district01 says...

Just hang it with the best run council awards!
Just hang it with the best run council awards! district01
  • Score: 2

7:58pm Thu 6 Sep 12

M.DANNY says...

Blackburn is not in the top ten worst in country for number of empty shop premises.Blackburn has some number of empty shop premise in the town centre and small number of empty shop premises in the Mall.I travelled to many towns in UK believe me some towns have a lot of shops closed down and many shop premise are empty.We are in middle of reccession and many high street stores have closed down for good,we need to help our town centre by doing more shopping in our town.The major threats are coming from online shopping,retail parks and many out of town large superstores offering more choices.Shopping habits have changed over the twenty years or so.So the town centre need to fight back these new threats.The only way is to offer more free parking in the town centre and extend shops opening hours from 9 to 10pm ,that would boost sales.THe world is changing in 21st century and we can't live in the past no sunday trading,9 to 5 opening hours,parking charges too high these measures put off modern shoppers of today.
Blackburn is not in the top ten worst in country for number of empty shop premises.Blackburn has some number of empty shop premise in the town centre and small number of empty shop premises in the Mall.I travelled to many towns in UK believe me some towns have a lot of shops closed down and many shop premise are empty.We are in middle of reccession and many high street stores have closed down for good,we need to help our town centre by doing more shopping in our town.The major threats are coming from online shopping,retail parks and many out of town large superstores offering more choices.Shopping habits have changed over the twenty years or so.So the town centre need to fight back these new threats.The only way is to offer more free parking in the town centre and extend shops opening hours from 9 to 10pm ,that would boost sales.THe world is changing in 21st century and we can't live in the past no sunday trading,9 to 5 opening hours,parking charges too high these measures put off modern shoppers of today. M.DANNY
  • Score: 0

8:46pm Thu 6 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

nonjob wrote:
"Regeneration boss" Dave Harling, in the real world, would have been sacked years ago, along with the rest of the useless parasites in Blackburn council.

But in local gov la la land, he will probably get a pay increase.

The Tax Payers' Alliance have an article on their site at the moment, by Tim Newark, on this very issue: How councils are doing a fine job of killing our town centres.

Keep paying your extortionate council tax bills people!

w w w.nonjob.tumblr.com
Could you put your money where your mouth is and explain why people who work for the council are parasites?
[quote][p][bold]nonjob[/bold] wrote: "Regeneration boss" Dave Harling, in the real world, would have been sacked years ago, along with the rest of the useless parasites in Blackburn council. But in local gov la la land, he will probably get a pay increase. The Tax Payers' Alliance have an article on their site at the moment, by Tim Newark, on this very issue: How councils are doing a fine job of killing our town centres. Keep paying your extortionate council tax bills people! w w w.nonjob.tumblr.com[/p][/quote]Could you put your money where your mouth is and explain why people who work for the council are parasites? jack daniels
  • Score: 0

11:21pm Thu 6 Sep 12

nonjob says...

@ jack Daniels.

Read my blog w w w.nonjob.tumblr.com

That may fill in some of the gaps for you.

If that fails, consider the difference between what Dave Harling and his ilk are saying about Blackburn centre, with the reality of the situation.
@ jack Daniels. Read my blog w w w.nonjob.tumblr.com That may fill in some of the gaps for you. If that fails, consider the difference between what Dave Harling and his ilk are saying about Blackburn centre, with the reality of the situation. nonjob
  • Score: 0

7:18am Fri 7 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

nonjob wrote:
@ jack Daniels.

Read my blog w w w.nonjob.tumblr.com

That may fill in some of the gaps for you.

If that fails, consider the difference between what Dave Harling and his ilk are saying about Blackburn centre, with the reality of the situation.
No big man. That's not an answer! Why should I consider anything. That's drawing my own conclusions; not yours. You're made a statement on this site about council employees being parasites so lets see the proof!
[quote][p][bold]nonjob[/bold] wrote: @ jack Daniels. Read my blog w w w.nonjob.tumblr.com That may fill in some of the gaps for you. If that fails, consider the difference between what Dave Harling and his ilk are saying about Blackburn centre, with the reality of the situation.[/p][/quote]No big man. That's not an answer! Why should I consider anything. That's drawing my own conclusions; not yours. You're made a statement on this site about council employees being parasites so lets see the proof! jack daniels
  • Score: 0

7:18am Fri 7 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

nonjob wrote:
@ jack Daniels.

Read my blog w w w.nonjob.tumblr.com

That may fill in some of the gaps for you.

If that fails, consider the difference between what Dave Harling and his ilk are saying about Blackburn centre, with the reality of the situation.
No big man. That's not an answer! Why should I consider anything. That's drawing my own conclusions; not yours. You're made a statement on this site about council employees being parasites so lets see the proof!
[quote][p][bold]nonjob[/bold] wrote: @ jack Daniels. Read my blog w w w.nonjob.tumblr.com That may fill in some of the gaps for you. If that fails, consider the difference between what Dave Harling and his ilk are saying about Blackburn centre, with the reality of the situation.[/p][/quote]No big man. That's not an answer! Why should I consider anything. That's drawing my own conclusions; not yours. You're made a statement on this site about council employees being parasites so lets see the proof! jack daniels
  • Score: 0

9:22am Fri 7 Sep 12

nonjob says...

@ jack daniels

Do you pay council tax, Jack? Council tax went up 70% under blair/brown. Why is that? To pay for all the stuffed suits busy doing nothing on the council gravy train.

Maybe you don't pay council tax, Jack. Or maybe you just don't mind funding the lifestyles of public sector parasites.

Ignorance is bliss, Jack.
@ jack daniels Do you pay council tax, Jack? Council tax went up 70% under blair/brown. Why is that? To pay for all the stuffed suits busy doing nothing on the council gravy train. Maybe you don't pay council tax, Jack. Or maybe you just don't mind funding the lifestyles of public sector parasites. Ignorance is bliss, Jack. nonjob
  • Score: 0

9:48am Fri 7 Sep 12

HairyBowls says...

Council employee's ARE parasites. They dont work in the interests of the public they are meant to serve...they are cogs in a machine that only have contempt for the tax paying public, and are all about revenue generation and self interests, not realising or being ignorant of the implications of their incompetent behaviour to the public they are supposed to serve. They are the arm of state control in disguise...they are an outdated and abused concept of democracy in action, and are failing the people through sheer incompetence and self interests...a disgusting legacy to leave future generations.
Council employee's ARE parasites. They dont work in the interests of the public they are meant to serve...they are cogs in a machine that only have contempt for the tax paying public, and are all about revenue generation and self interests, not realising or being ignorant of the implications of their incompetent behaviour to the public they are supposed to serve. They are the arm of state control in disguise...they are an outdated and abused concept of democracy in action, and are failing the people through sheer incompetence and self interests...a disgusting legacy to leave future generations. HairyBowls
  • Score: 0

11:17am Fri 7 Sep 12

midas says...

Perhaps if you understood what Councils are meant to do then you would be in a position to formulate some sort of arguement. Council employees aren't servants and sometimes they might not just jump to your beck and call with a doffed cap.
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What is in your "self interest" might not be in the interest of others.
Perhaps if you understood what Councils are meant to do then you would be in a position to formulate some sort of arguement. Council employees aren't servants and sometimes they might not just jump to your beck and call with a doffed cap. . What is in your "self interest" might not be in the interest of others. midas
  • Score: 1

11:20am Fri 7 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

@nonjob

You said -
"Do you pay council tax, Jack? Council tax went up 70% under blair/brown. Why is that? To pay for all the stuffed suits busy doing nothing on the council gravy train. Maybe you don't pay council tax, Jack. Or maybe you just don't mind funding the lifestyles of public sector parasites. Ignorance is bliss, Jack."

None of that actually explains why the council employees are parasites? Who are these stuffed suits that do nothing? Do you have names and evidence that they actually do NOTHING? Surely these simple questions can't be that difficult?
@nonjob You said - "Do you pay council tax, Jack? Council tax went up 70% under blair/brown. Why is that? To pay for all the stuffed suits busy doing nothing on the council gravy train. Maybe you don't pay council tax, Jack. Or maybe you just don't mind funding the lifestyles of public sector parasites. Ignorance is bliss, Jack." None of that actually explains why the council employees are parasites? Who are these stuffed suits that do nothing? Do you have names and evidence that they actually do NOTHING? Surely these simple questions can't be that difficult? jack daniels
  • Score: 0

11:33am Fri 7 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

@HairyBowls.

Have you got evidence to back up your OPINION? Are you not confusing democratically elected people (i.e councillors and MPs) with the very people who empty your bins?

Can you give me an example of when the last time your bin man became an ‘arm of state control in disguise’ – as you put it. Are the ‘parasites’ in the tower block monitoring your e-mails and very thoughts?

Err no, no, they’re not.

Maybe you should consider that the council tries to work in the best interest of the WHOLE POPULATION and not just one bitter individual such as yourself who may need to update their depo injection as the word ‘paranoia’ springs to mind.
@HairyBowls. Have you got evidence to back up your OPINION? Are you not confusing democratically elected people (i.e councillors and MPs) with the very people who empty your bins? Can you give me an example of when the last time your bin man became an ‘arm of state control in disguise’ – as you put it. Are the ‘parasites’ in the tower block monitoring your e-mails and very thoughts? Err no, no, they’re not. Maybe you should consider that the council tries to work in the best interest of the WHOLE POPULATION and not just one bitter individual such as yourself who may need to update their depo injection as the word ‘paranoia’ springs to mind. jack daniels
  • Score: 0

2:05pm Fri 7 Sep 12

HairyBowls says...

midas wrote:
Perhaps if you understood what Councils are meant to do then you would be in a position to formulate some sort of arguement. Council employees aren't servants and sometimes they might not just jump to your beck and call with a doffed cap.
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What is in your "self interest" might not be in the interest of others.
We know all too well what councils do and how they operate... Maybe you are happy living under their false democratic ways, but increasing numbers of us see through them.
[quote][p][bold]midas[/bold] wrote: Perhaps if you understood what Councils are meant to do then you would be in a position to formulate some sort of arguement. Council employees aren't servants and sometimes they might not just jump to your beck and call with a doffed cap. . What is in your "self interest" might not be in the interest of others.[/p][/quote]We know all too well what councils do and how they operate... Maybe you are happy living under their false democratic ways, but increasing numbers of us see through them. HairyBowls
  • Score: 0

2:41pm Fri 7 Sep 12

HairyBowls says...

jack daniels wrote:
@HairyBowls.

Have you got evidence to back up your OPINION? Are you not confusing democratically elected people (i.e councillors and MPs) with the very people who empty your bins?

Can you give me an example of when the last time your bin man became an ‘arm of state control in disguise’ – as you put it. Are the ‘parasites’ in the tower block monitoring your e-mails and very thoughts?

Err no, no, they’re not.

Maybe you should consider that the council tries to work in the best interest of the WHOLE POPULATION and not just one bitter individual such as yourself who may need to update their depo injection as the word ‘paranoia’ springs to mind.
lol...Paranoia doesn't come into it...facts do, and because you neither have the IQ or willpower to resist your democratic smokescreen, dont assume the rest of us are blind followers like yourself...start turning things golden again when you touch it, Midas, not golden brown ;-)
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: @HairyBowls. Have you got evidence to back up your OPINION? Are you not confusing democratically elected people (i.e councillors and MPs) with the very people who empty your bins? Can you give me an example of when the last time your bin man became an ‘arm of state control in disguise’ – as you put it. Are the ‘parasites’ in the tower block monitoring your e-mails and very thoughts? Err no, no, they’re not. Maybe you should consider that the council tries to work in the best interest of the WHOLE POPULATION and not just one bitter individual such as yourself who may need to update their depo injection as the word ‘paranoia’ springs to mind.[/p][/quote]lol...Paranoia doesn't come into it...facts do, and because you neither have the IQ or willpower to resist your democratic smokescreen, dont assume the rest of us are blind followers like yourself...start turning things golden again when you touch it, Midas, not golden brown ;-) HairyBowls
  • Score: -1

2:51pm Fri 7 Sep 12

ladysal says...

HairyBowls wrote:
Council employee's ARE parasites. They dont work in the interests of the public they are meant to serve...they are cogs in a machine that only have contempt for the tax paying public, and are all about revenue generation and self interests, not realising or being ignorant of the implications of their incompetent behaviour to the public they are supposed to serve. They are the arm of state control in disguise...they are an outdated and abused concept of democracy in action, and are failing the people through sheer incompetence and self interests...a disgusting legacy to leave future generations.
Ok, I 'm with you..... While we are at it, once we've got rid of the "outdated and abused concept of democracy in action" which you refer to as parasites, when are we going to get together to empty the bins, clean the streets, supervise school kids at lunchtimes / crossing the road before and after school, repairing the roads, looking after those who are in care homes........

Do you really have nothing else to do than write such unbelievable drivel?
[quote][p][bold]HairyBowls[/bold] wrote: Council employee's ARE parasites. They dont work in the interests of the public they are meant to serve...they are cogs in a machine that only have contempt for the tax paying public, and are all about revenue generation and self interests, not realising or being ignorant of the implications of their incompetent behaviour to the public they are supposed to serve. They are the arm of state control in disguise...they are an outdated and abused concept of democracy in action, and are failing the people through sheer incompetence and self interests...a disgusting legacy to leave future generations.[/p][/quote]Ok, I 'm with you..... While we are at it, once we've got rid of the "outdated and abused concept of democracy in action" which you refer to as parasites, when are we going to get together to empty the bins, clean the streets, supervise school kids at lunchtimes / crossing the road before and after school, repairing the roads, looking after those who are in care homes........ Do you really have nothing else to do than write such unbelievable drivel? ladysal
  • Score: 2

2:57pm Fri 7 Sep 12

HairyBowls says...

Oops sorry Midas, I gave the wrong name there...looks like my IQ is plummeting to your depths now!
Oops sorry Midas, I gave the wrong name there...looks like my IQ is plummeting to your depths now! HairyBowls
  • Score: -1

3:03pm Fri 7 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

HairyBowls wrote:
jack daniels wrote: @HairyBowls. Have you got evidence to back up your OPINION? Are you not confusing democratically elected people (i.e councillors and MPs) with the very people who empty your bins? Can you give me an example of when the last time your bin man became an ‘arm of state control in disguise’ – as you put it. Are the ‘parasites’ in the tower block monitoring your e-mails and very thoughts? Err no, no, they’re not. Maybe you should consider that the council tries to work in the best interest of the WHOLE POPULATION and not just one bitter individual such as yourself who may need to update their depo injection as the word ‘paranoia’ springs to mind.
lol...Paranoia doesn't come into it...facts do, and because you neither have the IQ or willpower to resist your democratic smokescreen, dont assume the rest of us are blind followers like yourself...start turning things golden again when you touch it, Midas, not golden brown ;-)
But you haven't stated any facts - just opinion. Maybe you are the one with the IQ problem if you don't know the difference.

Until you substantiate your comment - your opinion is worth zilch.
[quote][p][bold]HairyBowls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: @HairyBowls. Have you got evidence to back up your OPINION? Are you not confusing democratically elected people (i.e councillors and MPs) with the very people who empty your bins? Can you give me an example of when the last time your bin man became an ‘arm of state control in disguise’ – as you put it. Are the ‘parasites’ in the tower block monitoring your e-mails and very thoughts? Err no, no, they’re not. Maybe you should consider that the council tries to work in the best interest of the WHOLE POPULATION and not just one bitter individual such as yourself who may need to update their depo injection as the word ‘paranoia’ springs to mind.[/p][/quote]lol...Paranoia doesn't come into it...facts do, and because you neither have the IQ or willpower to resist your democratic smokescreen, dont assume the rest of us are blind followers like yourself...start turning things golden again when you touch it, Midas, not golden brown ;-)[/p][/quote]But you haven't stated any facts - just opinion. Maybe you are the one with the IQ problem if you don't know the difference. Until you substantiate your comment - your opinion is worth zilch. jack daniels
  • Score: 0

3:03pm Fri 7 Sep 12

HairyBowls says...

ladysal wrote:
HairyBowls wrote:
Council employee's ARE parasites. They dont work in the interests of the public they are meant to serve...they are cogs in a machine that only have contempt for the tax paying public, and are all about revenue generation and self interests, not realising or being ignorant of the implications of their incompetent behaviour to the public they are supposed to serve. They are the arm of state control in disguise...they are an outdated and abused concept of democracy in action, and are failing the people through sheer incompetence and self interests...a disgusting legacy to leave future generations.
Ok, I 'm with you..... While we are at it, once we've got rid of the "outdated and abused concept of democracy in action" which you refer to as parasites, when are we going to get together to empty the bins, clean the streets, supervise school kids at lunchtimes / crossing the road before and after school, repairing the roads, looking after those who are in care homes........

Do you really have nothing else to do than write such unbelievable drivel?
lol most of those very jobs you covered there are the very ones that wont exist much longer under local council control...
[quote][p][bold]ladysal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HairyBowls[/bold] wrote: Council employee's ARE parasites. They dont work in the interests of the public they are meant to serve...they are cogs in a machine that only have contempt for the tax paying public, and are all about revenue generation and self interests, not realising or being ignorant of the implications of their incompetent behaviour to the public they are supposed to serve. They are the arm of state control in disguise...they are an outdated and abused concept of democracy in action, and are failing the people through sheer incompetence and self interests...a disgusting legacy to leave future generations.[/p][/quote]Ok, I 'm with you..... While we are at it, once we've got rid of the "outdated and abused concept of democracy in action" which you refer to as parasites, when are we going to get together to empty the bins, clean the streets, supervise school kids at lunchtimes / crossing the road before and after school, repairing the roads, looking after those who are in care homes........ Do you really have nothing else to do than write such unbelievable drivel?[/p][/quote]lol most of those very jobs you covered there are the very ones that wont exist much longer under local council control... HairyBowls
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3:05pm Fri 7 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

HairyBowls wrote:
Oops sorry Midas, I gave the wrong name there...looks like my IQ is plummeting to your depths now!
Or it's found it's natural level......
[quote][p][bold]HairyBowls[/bold] wrote: Oops sorry Midas, I gave the wrong name there...looks like my IQ is plummeting to your depths now![/p][/quote]Or it's found it's natural level...... jack daniels
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3:07pm Fri 7 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

HairyBowls wrote:
ladysal wrote:
HairyBowls wrote: Council employee's ARE parasites. They dont work in the interests of the public they are meant to serve...they are cogs in a machine that only have contempt for the tax paying public, and are all about revenue generation and self interests, not realising or being ignorant of the implications of their incompetent behaviour to the public they are supposed to serve. They are the arm of state control in disguise...they are an outdated and abused concept of democracy in action, and are failing the people through sheer incompetence and self interests...a disgusting legacy to leave future generations.
Ok, I 'm with you..... While we are at it, once we've got rid of the "outdated and abused concept of democracy in action" which you refer to as parasites, when are we going to get together to empty the bins, clean the streets, supervise school kids at lunchtimes / crossing the road before and after school, repairing the roads, looking after those who are in care homes........ Do you really have nothing else to do than write such unbelievable drivel?
lol most of those very jobs you covered there are the very ones that wont exist much longer under local council control...
Proof?
[quote][p][bold]HairyBowls[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ladysal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HairyBowls[/bold] wrote: Council employee's ARE parasites. They dont work in the interests of the public they are meant to serve...they are cogs in a machine that only have contempt for the tax paying public, and are all about revenue generation and self interests, not realising or being ignorant of the implications of their incompetent behaviour to the public they are supposed to serve. They are the arm of state control in disguise...they are an outdated and abused concept of democracy in action, and are failing the people through sheer incompetence and self interests...a disgusting legacy to leave future generations.[/p][/quote]Ok, I 'm with you..... While we are at it, once we've got rid of the "outdated and abused concept of democracy in action" which you refer to as parasites, when are we going to get together to empty the bins, clean the streets, supervise school kids at lunchtimes / crossing the road before and after school, repairing the roads, looking after those who are in care homes........ Do you really have nothing else to do than write such unbelievable drivel?[/p][/quote]lol most of those very jobs you covered there are the very ones that wont exist much longer under local council control...[/p][/quote]Proof? jack daniels
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7:05pm Fri 7 Sep 12

HairyBowls says...

Stuart Farquar wrote:
Lost in the high street, where the dogs run
Roaming suburban boys
Mother's got a hairdo to be done
She says they're too old for toys
Stood by the bus stop with a felt pen
In this suburban hell
And in the distance a police car
To break the suburban spell

Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia

Break the window by the town hall
Listen, the siren screams
There in the distance, like a roll call
Of all the suburban dreams

Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
I only wanted something else to do but hang around
I only wanted something else to do but hang around
I only wanted something else to do but hang around
I only wanted something else to do but hang around

It's on the front page of the papers
This is their hour of need
Where's a policeman when you need one
To blame the colour TV?

Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia

Take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia

Run with the dogs tonight
In Suburbia
You can't hide
In Suburbia
lol
[quote][p][bold]Stuart Farquar[/bold] wrote: Lost in the high street, where the dogs run Roaming suburban boys Mother's got a hairdo to be done She says they're too old for toys Stood by the bus stop with a felt pen In this suburban hell And in the distance a police car To break the suburban spell Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia Break the window by the town hall Listen, the siren screams There in the distance, like a roll call Of all the suburban dreams Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia I only wanted something else to do but hang around I only wanted something else to do but hang around I only wanted something else to do but hang around I only wanted something else to do but hang around It's on the front page of the papers This is their hour of need Where's a policeman when you need one To blame the colour TV? Let's take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia Take a ride, and run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia You can't hide, run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia Run with the dogs tonight In Suburbia You can't hide In Suburbia[/p][/quote]lol HairyBowls
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7:27pm Fri 7 Sep 12

HairyBowls says...

Can I just clarify my earlier posts...I have nothing against ALL council employees, just the top brass...they cost the most and give least value for money. As for Mrs lardidar rattling on about lollipop ladies and binmen and dinner ladies, this lady must be behind the times...if those positions are not already outsourced to agencies and so forth, they soon will be...thus one cannot define them as true council employees anyway. Job security was once foremost for councils...those days are gone.
Can I just clarify my earlier posts...I have nothing against ALL council employees, just the top brass...they cost the most and give least value for money. As for Mrs lardidar rattling on about lollipop ladies and binmen and dinner ladies, this lady must be behind the times...if those positions are not already outsourced to agencies and so forth, they soon will be...thus one cannot define them as true council employees anyway. Job security was once foremost for councils...those days are gone. HairyBowls
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9:23pm Fri 7 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

HairyBowls wrote:
Can I just clarify my earlier posts...I have nothing against ALL council employees, just the top brass...they cost the most and give least value for money. As for Mrs lardidar rattling on about lollipop ladies and binmen and dinner ladies, this lady must be behind the times...if those positions are not already outsourced to agencies and so forth, they soon will be...thus one cannot define them as true council employees anyway. Job security was once foremost for councils...those days are gone.
so is this a retraction of your statement that.. and I quote...

'Council employee's ARE parasites'

I think you'll also find that Mrs lardidar was making a point - not giving you a escape route to get you out of you vast hole you'd dug yourself in (sorry Mrs S if I've spoken out of turn).

P.S. Any proof, facts or evidence that ' the top brass...they cost the most and give least value for money'.
[quote][p][bold]HairyBowls[/bold] wrote: Can I just clarify my earlier posts...I have nothing against ALL council employees, just the top brass...they cost the most and give least value for money. As for Mrs lardidar rattling on about lollipop ladies and binmen and dinner ladies, this lady must be behind the times...if those positions are not already outsourced to agencies and so forth, they soon will be...thus one cannot define them as true council employees anyway. Job security was once foremost for councils...those days are gone.[/p][/quote]so is this a retraction of your statement that.. and I quote... 'Council employee's ARE parasites' I think you'll also find that Mrs lardidar was making a point - not giving you a escape route to get you out of you vast hole you'd dug yourself in (sorry Mrs S if I've spoken out of turn). P.S. Any proof, facts or evidence that ' the top brass...they cost the most and give least value for money'. jack daniels
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11:20pm Fri 7 Sep 12

nonjob says...

@ jack daniels.

Turn the computer off.

Breathe. It's a beautiful day. Go for a walk. Feed the pigeons in the park. Chat the barmaid up down your local. Anything.

Trust me, you'll thank me for it.

Your friend, Nonjob.
@ jack daniels. Turn the computer off. Breathe. It's a beautiful day. Go for a walk. Feed the pigeons in the park. Chat the barmaid up down your local. Anything. Trust me, you'll thank me for it. Your friend, Nonjob. nonjob
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12:52am Sat 8 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

nonjob wrote:
@ jack daniels.

Turn the computer off.

Breathe. It's a beautiful day. Go for a walk. Feed the pigeons in the park. Chat the barmaid up down your local. Anything.

Trust me, you'll thank me for it.

Your friend, Nonjob.
So long as I stop asking you questions......
[quote][p][bold]nonjob[/bold] wrote: @ jack daniels. Turn the computer off. Breathe. It's a beautiful day. Go for a walk. Feed the pigeons in the park. Chat the barmaid up down your local. Anything. Trust me, you'll thank me for it. Your friend, Nonjob.[/p][/quote]So long as I stop asking you questions...... jack daniels
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3:20am Sat 8 Sep 12

nonjob says...

Check out my latest blog on this subject.

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Check out my latest blog on this subject. w w w.nonjob.tumblr.com nonjob
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6:57am Sat 8 Sep 12

jack daniels says...

@nonjob

So you decide to dedicate your life to reforming the public sector because you see them as 'parasites'. You start a blog under what you consider to be a witty tag and support this by commenting on local media to maximize your digital presence.

Unfortunately, a couple of people take umbrage at your derogatory phrase and ask you to prove it; which you fail to do.

Somehow, I can't help but think that you need a new hobby, as this comment and your blog have one thing in common - nobody is going to read it.
@nonjob So you decide to dedicate your life to reforming the public sector because you see them as 'parasites'. You start a blog under what you consider to be a witty tag and support this by commenting on local media to maximize your digital presence. Unfortunately, a couple of people take umbrage at your derogatory phrase and ask you to prove it; which you fail to do. Somehow, I can't help but think that you need a new hobby, as this comment and your blog have one thing in common - nobody is going to read it. jack daniels
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6:47pm Sat 8 Sep 12

nonjob says...

@ jack daniels.

Go and cash your giro, Jack. The post office shuts early today.
@ jack daniels. Go and cash your giro, Jack. The post office shuts early today. nonjob
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10:33am Mon 10 Sep 12

ladysal says...

jack daniels wrote:
HairyBowls wrote: Can I just clarify my earlier posts...I have nothing against ALL council employees, just the top brass...they cost the most and give least value for money. As for Mrs lardidar rattling on about lollipop ladies and binmen and dinner ladies, this lady must be behind the times...if those positions are not already outsourced to agencies and so forth, they soon will be...thus one cannot define them as true council employees anyway. Job security was once foremost for councils...those days are gone.
so is this a retraction of your statement that.. and I quote... 'Council employee's ARE parasites' I think you'll also find that Mrs lardidar was making a point - not giving you a escape route to get you out of you vast hole you'd dug yourself in (sorry Mrs S if I've spoken out of turn). P.S. Any proof, facts or evidence that ' the top brass...they cost the most and give least value for money'.
Thanks Jack, you got it perfectly.
As for Hairy Bowls/Nonjob/whateve
r you are calling yorself today, rather than outsourcing everything (which I note you have yet to provide proof of), I think you will find that the council is going the other way: HR for example has just been removed from the clutches of Capita and taken back in house......
[quote][p][bold]jack daniels[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HairyBowls[/bold] wrote: Can I just clarify my earlier posts...I have nothing against ALL council employees, just the top brass...they cost the most and give least value for money. As for Mrs lardidar rattling on about lollipop ladies and binmen and dinner ladies, this lady must be behind the times...if those positions are not already outsourced to agencies and so forth, they soon will be...thus one cannot define them as true council employees anyway. Job security was once foremost for councils...those days are gone.[/p][/quote]so is this a retraction of your statement that.. and I quote... 'Council employee's ARE parasites' I think you'll also find that Mrs lardidar was making a point - not giving you a escape route to get you out of you vast hole you'd dug yourself in (sorry Mrs S if I've spoken out of turn). P.S. Any proof, facts or evidence that ' the top brass...they cost the most and give least value for money'.[/p][/quote]Thanks Jack, you got it perfectly. As for Hairy Bowls/Nonjob/whateve r you are calling yorself today, rather than outsourcing everything (which I note you have yet to provide proof of), I think you will find that the council is going the other way: HR for example has just been removed from the clutches of Capita and taken back in house...... ladysal
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