'The Government has lost its bottle on alcohol pricing' says Blackburn MP Jack Straw (From Blackburn Citizen)

The government has no business interfering in business.

This legislation, from it's very proposal, never made any sense to me. Surely, it makes more sense to increase the penalties for actually being drunk than taxing the greater majority who have control of themselves.
An accepted definition already exists in the form of the breathalyser, which when administered, could give an indication as to the level of prior consumption. This then could be used to define the level of fine imposed.
Set a level that is acceptable for consumption then impose a fine, at say £10 per point over the limit, with an extra £5 per point, if there is any aggressive behaviour evinced.
To my mind, this would seem to be a more appropriate method of control than arbitrary pricing levels.

Oi, Jack, remind me which party introduced 24-hour drinking.

I personally think alcohol should be banned completely in uk, there would be a dramatic fall in anti social behaviour incidents, domestic violence and a big drop in a&e admissions, if a political party put in their manifesto they would bring in prohibition they would certanliy get my vote. I know that you lot out there are going to slate me for this comment, buit that's ok. I know that i'm talking sense. May God bless you all.

captain ian wrote:
I personally think alcohol should be banned completely in uk, there would be a dramatic fall in anti social behaviour incidents, domestic violence and a big drop in a&e admissions, if a political party put in their manifesto they would bring in prohibition they would certanliy get my vote. I know that you lot out there are going to slate me for this comment, buit that's ok. I know that i'm talking sense. May God bless you all.

so i have a drink on a sat night ,never been in trouble in my life.never been in hospital due to alcohol.never hit my wife and you say i should not be able to have a drink.what a clown you are.so you would ban alcohol ,that would mean around an extra 250,000 people on the dole just with pubs and breweriries shut down then you have every off licence shut as well also beer dept at every supermarket in the country would have to finish farmers shut their farms who cant sell their wheat and barley people also all the wagon drivers lets say in total 300,000 people on the dole ,no tax on beer coming in to the coffers.....really have you thought your post through ? me thinks you have had one or two too many spliffs mate.no need to slate you ,you are just thick mate

I knew i get a reaction from an armchair warrior...........al
as it's so easy

captain ian wrote:
I knew i get a reaction from an armchair warrior...........al

as it's so easy

The term troll comes to mind..

There’s a nasty little creepy ‘thing’ sometimes seen crawling around Blackburn. It travels here from afar when nobodies looking. It has frightened lots of people not only here but abroad, unfortunately some very severely so without as yet being justly detected. But even though it looks harmless you should never forget the self preserving sting that it can produce to it’s enemies. A self preservation point of view from a master deceiver. Beware at all times!

It’s Jack Straw. Always pontificating about others deeds whilst forgetting it’s own weaknesses!

woolywords wrote:
This legislation, from it's very proposal, never made any sense to me. Surely, it makes more sense to increase the penalties for actually being drunk than taxing the greater majority who have control of themselves. An accepted definition already exists in the form of the breathalyser, which when administered, could give an indication as to the level of prior consumption. This then could be used to define the level of fine imposed. Set a level that is acceptable for consumption then impose a fine, at say £10 per point over the limit, with an extra £5 per point, if there is any aggressive behaviour evinced. To my mind, this would seem to be a more appropriate method of control than arbitrary pricing levels.

What you're proposing is a law against drinking and walking! Where will it end? The breathalyser is a totally arbitrary, politically correct, device for enforcing political correctness. How about just using common sense? If an offence is committed, punish the offender.

captain ian wrote:
I personally think alcohol should be banned completely in uk, there would be a dramatic fall in anti social behaviour incidents, domestic violence and a big drop in a&e admissions, if a political party put in their manifesto they would bring in prohibition they would certanliy get my vote. I know that you lot out there are going to slate me for this comment, buit that's ok. I know that i'm talking sense. May God bless you all.

Don't worry, when the muslims take over you'll get your wish!

Yet another of the Straw Mans drinking buddies arrested for Brawling in the Subsidized bar at a Certain Place.

What does this hypocrite propose to control these excesses.

Jack Straw......

Always on the ball and fighting for the good of mankind...!

Says he is one of the people and has
our best interests at heart...!

Does he live in the real world even,
oh yea that's right he lives in shad-
whalley range-mill hill-green lane-whitebirk-queen
s park.........not.

Oh my mistake that's right a house
in the country.....miles away from reality.

Aye, unlike you eh, Jack - didn't lose your bottle when it came to going to war on false flimsy information of WMD's in Iraq.

Maybe you drink on the wealth of the black stuff, eh ?

A scoundrel if ever I saw one is our upstanding local MP.

Not like Barbara Castle are we Jack !

rggraham1947 wrote:
The government has no business interfering in business.

Are you nuts!, that's all the government dose .
I know your not nuts, but you have to understand that the culture today is all about drinking?.
Their s nothing else to do that doesn't cost 1/4 of your wage.
Give you sample it cost a minimum of £18 to go to see a film, and if its a crap film you have wasted your cash an feel ripped off.
But you all ways feel better when your drunk, 5 pints for £18 aprox.
Plus you feel as if you get something for your money.( Wright or wrong )
You cant go for a walk anywhere because the police will victimize you," were you going what you doing", or you risk getting mugged.
So that's out of the question, so what do you do when theirs nothing to do! that doesn't cost the earth.
You just cant go anywhere any more its not like it was 30 40 50 years ago you could go were you like.
As long as you didn't make a di*k of your self you where fine.
These days you can get done for trespass in your own garden?.
china is a more of a free country than this place as become, CCTV nosy nabours, starzy type police try an arrest you for breathing to improve there career prospects.
Parks shut there gates and those that don't you wouldn't go into (illegal immigrants, drunks and gangs) occupy them.
So theirs only stay in or go to the pub and get taxi home.
And that's it,
Even going to a church is out of the question there shut or permanently closed.
Working mans clubs point less cant get on pool or snooker tables.
So you end up drinking wile you wait, that's if you have a club in the area?.
It costs to live and it cost to die,
Thet face it, the greed of business that's made it like this.
(something costs £2.49 from maker in china sells to a warehouse, the warehouse sells it to a shop for £7.59 and a shop will sell it for £19.99 ) All about greed.
( i am all Wright sod you!, No friends in business )
And the pore smuck worker who makes it gets less than a penny for his or her efforts?, and that's why the world is corrupted .
That's business today! get as much as you can, as soon as you can. That's why people don't mix like they use too.
Because they live in terror of being robbed or ripped off by persons in their community .
Our culture if we have one now, as no more compassion than it did in the16th century.
Every man or woman for them self, got to be politically correct or might end up in deep do do!.
What a wonderful time we live in???? TTFN

sickofthisrubbish wrote:

rggraham1947 wrote: The government has no business interfering in business.

Are you nuts!, that's all the government dose . I know your not nuts, but you have to understand that the culture today is all about drinking?. Their s nothing else to do that doesn't cost 1/4 of your wage. Give you sample it cost a minimum of £18 to go to see a film, and if its a crap film you have wasted your cash an feel ripped off. But you all ways feel better when your drunk, 5 pints for £18 aprox. Plus you feel as if you get something for your money.( Wright or wrong ) You cant go for a walk anywhere because the police will victimize you," were you going what you doing", or you risk getting mugged. So that's out of the question, so what do you do when theirs nothing to do! that doesn't cost the earth. You just cant go anywhere any more its not like it was 30 40 50 years ago you could go were you like. As long as you didn't make a di*k of your self you where fine. These days you can get done for trespass in your own garden?. china is a more of a free country than this place as become, CCTV nosy nabours, starzy type police try an arrest you for breathing to improve there career prospects. Parks shut there gates and those that don't you wouldn't go into (illegal immigrants, drunks and gangs) occupy them. So theirs only stay in or go to the pub and get taxi home. And that's it, Even going to a church is out of the question there shut or permanently closed. Working mans clubs point less cant get on pool or snooker tables. So you end up drinking wile you wait, that's if you have a club in the area?. It costs to live and it cost to die, Thet face it, the greed of business that's made it like this. (something costs £2.49 from maker in china sells to a warehouse, the warehouse sells it to a shop for £7.59 and a shop will sell it for £19.99 ) All about greed. ( i am all Wright sod you!, No friends in business ) And the pore smuck worker who makes it gets less than a penny for his or her efforts?, and that's why the world is corrupted . That's business today! get as much as you can, as soon as you can. That's why people don't mix like they use too. Because they live in terror of being robbed or ripped off by persons in their community . Our culture if we have one now, as no more compassion than it did in the16th century. Every man or woman for them self, got to be politically correct or might end up in deep do do!. What a wonderful time we live in???? TTFN

And you can't get a decent education, obviously!