Blackburn taxpayers' £70,000 bill for 'pauper funerals' (From Blackburn Citizen)
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Blackburn taxpayers' £70,000 bill for 'pauper funerals'
7:00am Thursday 4th October 2012 in News
By Bill Jacobs, Local government reporter
Coun Howard Baker
THE number of ‘pauper's funerals’ in Blackburn with Darwen paid for by the council has more than doubled in four years.
And it has left the borough with a potential burials bill of almost £70,000 a year.
In 2008/2009, the authority paid for 22 ‘public health funerals’ where relatives could not be found, or could not or would not pay. By 2011/2012 that had risen to 57.
At an average cost of £1,217 a burial, that lands taxpayers with a potential cost of £69,369 for the 12 months unless cash can be recovered from the deceased’s estates.
The rise mirrors similar figures nationally, with recent surveys showing the number of individuals, especially over 65s, dying without relatives willing or able to pay rising sharply.
A recent report to Burnley Council revealed a dramatic increase in so-called ‘paupers funerals’ in recent years.
In 2007 it paid for three at a cost of £9,000, of which £7,000 was recovered through the deceased’s estate. That number rose to 13 public funerals in 2010, at a cost of £16,000, of which only £4,800 was recovered.
The figures for Blackburn with Darwen were 22 in 2008/2009, 40 in 2009/ 2010, 32 in 2010/2011 and 57 in 2011/2012.
In contrast, the last public health funeral in wealthier Ribble Valley was in 2009.
Anchor, the older people's charity, recently revealed that more than 21,000 older people a year were dying alone without family or friends willing or able to pay for burials and cremations, with some regions seeing a 14 per cent jump in the last five years.
It showed that over-65s now accounted for 54 per cent of all public-health funerals, with 17,000 in the North West taking place in the past five years.
A second survey found that the rise in such funerals was partly caused by the Government turning down almost half of those who applied for the £1,217 state burial allowance.
Senior Burnley councillor Howard Baker said: “It is an awful situation for somebody to be in.
“I know we have had a few funerals where there are no relatives left to pay recently.
“A lot of the time, the council will pay and then reclaim some or all of the money from the estate.”
Comments(30)
mavrick
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9:27am Thu 4 Oct 12
DirtyHarry
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9:29am Thu 4 Oct 12
Although I suspect this practice does still go on in certain parts of Blackburn.
Dave_P
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9:30am Thu 4 Oct 12
useyourhead
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9:38am Thu 4 Oct 12
useyourhead
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9:45am Thu 4 Oct 12
soap opera
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10:05am Thu 4 Oct 12
useyourhead wrote:you try getting a funeral for £1200 and the funeral directors will laugh you out of the building
oops, just saw the figure 1200, i was looking at the line that said 3 for 9,000 further on, 1200 seems more realistic.
Excluded again
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10:06am Thu 4 Oct 12
The government 'saves' money by refusing more grants of the state burial allowance. As a result another part of government - local Councils, which recive the majority of their money from central government - has to pick up the bill.
The government clearly believes that if I don't pay the phone bill, but my wife does because I have spent less money, then my family as a whole has saved money.
This is clearly a definition of the word 'saving' with which I was not previously familiar.
jim 2012
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10:09am Thu 4 Oct 12
jimpy0
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10:12am Thu 4 Oct 12
DirtyHarry
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10:26am Thu 4 Oct 12
jim 2012 wrote:I can't see many medical research facilities wanting too many stiffs from Blackburn, they're mostly riddled with Methelated spirits and soup kitchen soup.
you can allways leave your body to medical science just go on line to find out how
cathedral citi
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10:43am Thu 4 Oct 12
Now, where's my skull cap? Hello imam....
l m h jones
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10:44am Thu 4 Oct 12
Chico!
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10:49am Thu 4 Oct 12
DirtyHarry wrote:To be fair, they eat their own dead in Bonleh, as a sacrifice to their god "Jay Ess Ay".
jim 2012 wrote: you can allways leave your body to medical science just go on line to find out howI can't see many medical research facilities wanting too many stiffs from Blackburn, they're mostly riddled with Methelated spirits and soup kitchen soup.
The thinking behind it is "if you eat your dad's body, you'll be able to adorn any claims to benefits that they have".
Dirty gets.
mys
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12:25pm Thu 4 Oct 12
useyourhead
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12:29pm Thu 4 Oct 12
soap opera wrote:why does there have to be a funeral director involved?
useyourhead wrote:you try getting a funeral for £1200 and the funeral directors will laugh you out of the building
oops, just saw the figure 1200, i was looking at the line that said 3 for 9,000 further on, 1200 seems more realistic.
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direct arrangement with the crem (fee 450.00) and a cardboard casket freely available via internet (200.00) private ambulance for the deceased if the directors won't do 'hearse only' service. probably less than 1200.00 even with a small plaque somewhere or entry in the memorial book at the crem.
notchuffed
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12:36pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Reckon all these comments will come to a dead stop.
That's it, I'm off on the Deadwood Stage for a week in Dead Man's Gulch
woolywords
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2:59pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Tell you what, why not get the bean-counter out of his overheated offices, go to the funeral and check for the legendary coin in the casket! The practise of paying the boatman to cross the river is an outdated cost that has neither basis in fact nor in any modern belief system. Of the 4 rivers, the Styx is the only one to make a charge and it's only claim to fame is that it's waters made Achilles near invulnerable
I mean to say, what is left of those old beliefs in our modern Spartan existence, when one can so easily bewail the costs that the poor dead saddle us with?
Perhaps we can raise a local tax on those whom are shuffling off this mortal coil, for excessive wear on the path to Death?
DirtyHarry
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3:15pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Chico! wrote:Speaking of eating things out, how's your sister these days?
DirtyHarry wrote:To be fair, they eat their own dead in Bonleh, as a sacrifice to their god "Jay Ess Ay".
jim 2012 wrote: you can allways leave your body to medical science just go on line to find out howI can't see many medical research facilities wanting too many stiffs from Blackburn, they're mostly riddled with Methelated spirits and soup kitchen soup.
The thinking behind it is "if you eat your dad's body, you'll be able to adorn any claims to benefits that they have".
Dirty gets.
woolywords
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3:25pm Thu 4 Oct 12
norah bhatty
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3:53pm Thu 4 Oct 12
pay no tax
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5:13pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Chico!
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5:32pm Thu 4 Oct 12
DirtyHarry wrote:Good thanks, She's just signed your dad on at the job centre.
Chico! wrote:Speaking of eating things out, how's your sister these days?
DirtyHarry wrote:To be fair, they eat their own dead in Bonleh, as a sacrifice to their god "Jay Ess Ay".
jim 2012 wrote: you can allways leave your body to medical science just go on line to find out howI can't see many medical research facilities wanting too many stiffs from Blackburn, they're mostly riddled with Methelated spirits and soup kitchen soup.
The thinking behind it is "if you eat your dad's body, you'll be able to adorn any claims to benefits that they have".
Dirty gets.
She told him that he'll never find work while he's surrounded by a fetid miasma of urine & BO, but he still refuses to wash.
She also offered to get him help with his grotesque syphallitc facial sores but to no avail. Some people just refuse help.
Apparently he just kept whimpering "ah just wunt us moneh t'spend int Big Windoh".
Bless.
Fire Fly
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6:55pm Thu 4 Oct 12
The council can do this for less, the fat cat funeral directors can do it for less but no as usual...the public's paying so where's my calculators + button!
eco/pendle
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7:46pm Thu 4 Oct 12
cathedral citi
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7:50pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Chico! wrote:Lol Chico....... Some ointment and Elastoplast too, please! All that knuckle dragging has a detrimental effect on the Knuckle draggers! Lol xxx
DirtyHarry wrote:Good thanks, She's just signed your dad on at the job centre.
Chico! wrote:Speaking of eating things out, how's your sister these days?
DirtyHarry wrote:To be fair, they eat their own dead in Bonleh, as a sacrifice to their god "Jay Ess Ay".
jim 2012 wrote: you can allways leave your body to medical science just go on line to find out howI can't see many medical research facilities wanting too many stiffs from Blackburn, they're mostly riddled with Methelated spirits and soup kitchen soup.
The thinking behind it is "if you eat your dad's body, you'll be able to adorn any claims to benefits that they have".
Dirty gets.
She told him that he'll never find work while he's surrounded by a fetid miasma of urine & BO, but he still refuses to wash.
She also offered to get him help with his grotesque syphallitc facial sores but to no avail. Some people just refuse help.
Apparently he just kept whimpering "ah just wunt us moneh t'spend int Big Windoh".
Bless.
Dingles..... The last hominids still stuck in the stone age......
DirtyHarry
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8:34pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Chico! wrote:You're a funny guy Chico, I like you! :)
DirtyHarry wrote:Good thanks, She's just signed your dad on at the job centre.
Chico! wrote:Speaking of eating things out, how's your sister these days?
DirtyHarry wrote:To be fair, they eat their own dead in Bonleh, as a sacrifice to their god "Jay Ess Ay".
jim 2012 wrote: you can allways leave your body to medical science just go on line to find out howI can't see many medical research facilities wanting too many stiffs from Blackburn, they're mostly riddled with Methelated spirits and soup kitchen soup.
The thinking behind it is "if you eat your dad's body, you'll be able to adorn any claims to benefits that they have".
Dirty gets.
She told him that he'll never find work while he's surrounded by a fetid miasma of urine & BO, but he still refuses to wash.
She also offered to get him help with his grotesque syphallitc facial sores but to no avail. Some people just refuse help.
Apparently he just kept whimpering "ah just wunt us moneh t'spend int Big Windoh".
Bless.
DirtyHarry
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8:39pm Thu 4 Oct 12
cathedral citi wrote:Ahhh Cathedral city, welcome to the party!
Chico! wrote:Lol Chico....... Some ointment and Elastoplast too, please! All that knuckle dragging has a detrimental effect on the Knuckle draggers! Lol xxx
DirtyHarry wrote:Good thanks, She's just signed your dad on at the job centre.
Chico! wrote:Speaking of eating things out, how's your sister these days?
DirtyHarry wrote:To be fair, they eat their own dead in Bonleh, as a sacrifice to their god "Jay Ess Ay".
jim 2012 wrote: you can allways leave your body to medical science just go on line to find out howI can't see many medical research facilities wanting too many stiffs from Blackburn, they're mostly riddled with Methelated spirits and soup kitchen soup.
The thinking behind it is "if you eat your dad's body, you'll be able to adorn any claims to benefits that they have".
Dirty gets.
She told him that he'll never find work while he's surrounded by a fetid miasma of urine & BO, but he still refuses to wash.
She also offered to get him help with his grotesque syphallitc facial sores but to no avail. Some people just refuse help.
Apparently he just kept whimpering "ah just wunt us moneh t'spend int Big Windoh".
Bless.
Dingles..... The last hominids still stuck in the stone age......
... Aptly named after the festering substance that lurks beneath the nether regions of your wart ridden, scab covered spam hammer no doubt!
Good job your mum likes a bit of Cathedral on her cracker.
jack daniels
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8:45pm Thu 4 Oct 12
useyourhead wrote:If the crem is owned by the council then it's creating a false final cost, which I suppose supports your argument even further
soap opera wrote:why does there have to be a funeral director involved?
useyourhead wrote:you try getting a funeral for £1200 and the funeral directors will laugh you out of the building
oops, just saw the figure 1200, i was looking at the line that said 3 for 9,000 further on, 1200 seems more realistic.
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direct arrangement with the crem (fee 450.00) and a cardboard casket freely available via internet (200.00) private ambulance for the deceased if the directors won't do 'hearse only' service. probably less than 1200.00 even with a small plaque somewhere or entry in the memorial book at the crem.
Rimbus
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10:46pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Dave_P says...
9:25am Thu 4 Oct 12
2) How can people pay when they have no money?
3) Why has the cost of funerals been allowed to rise so sharply?