House prices crash in the Blackburn area (From Blackburn Citizen)

that because its a dump.

What have Oldham and Blackburn got in common? Answers on a postcard.

It's a shame that reasonable people cannot have informed discussion about this issue owing to any opinion being hijacked.

Our first home was on Snow Street, we were the last white family to leave the street. We moved to the billinge area of town and were one of the last white families to leave to go to where we are now, Brownhill. I now go into my back yard in my negative equity terrace house and once more I am able to smell that familar odour of an eastern meal being prepared. (Most days, for most of the day!). Can't say anything about it because that would make me a racist.

I just never figured that I would become an ethnic minority without ever leaving the town of my birth and now I can't leave because I am trapped by negative equity. Never mind, the Imam from the mosque will come along in a few years and tell me what my house is worth. At least then the local authority will pile loads of cash into the area to improve it.

England, the land of milk and honey.

A lot of the terraced housing in Blackburn is in areas that have been devastated by the ill advised pathfinder housing market renewal programme. The terraced housing in these areas wasn't in a poor state because it was low quality housing, it was in a poor state because many of the residents of these areas have suffered financial hardship for generations through limited job opportunities. If push came to shove, the majority of architects (nevermind local residents) would agree that much of this housing, that had stood in some areas for over 150 years, had certainly proven it's resillience and quality of design. Sadly, the same can't be said for the housing stock that has replaced these terraces and is unlikely to be standing in another 100 years, or even 50, and these replacement houses will in turn be demolished. This is even more likely to be the case if the future tenants still can't afford the upkeep of these new houses. If the billions wasted on the Pathfinder Housing Market Renewal scheme had been spent on transport, economic infrastructure and investment then the prospects for the traditional working class population of Blackburn might look brighter and we might have managed to save some of the unique cultural landscape of our town, that is sadly being rapidly eroded by the building of toy houses that could be anywhere in Britain. These terraces helped give our Northern towns their distinct identity, from Blackburn to Accrington to Burnley, and the more we lose, the more character our town loses.

Read this report here on the Housing Market Renewal programme... http://www.savebrita
insheritage.org/news
/campaign.php?id=191

Its not only to do with the houses but the people who live in them. Local yobs and people who can't be arsed to put their rubbish in the bins, instead choosing to litter the alleyways all help in the downfall.

Mr Purple wrote:
What have Oldham and Blackburn got in common? Answers on a postcard.

It's a shame that reasonable people cannot have informed discussion about this issue owing to any opinion being hijacked.

Our first home was on Snow Street, we were the last white family to leave the street. We moved to the billinge area of town and were one of the last white families to leave to go to where we are now, Brownhill. I now go into my back yard in my negative equity terrace house and once more I am able to smell that familar odour of an eastern meal being prepared. (Most days, for most of the day!). Can't say anything about it because that would make me a racist.

I just never figured that I would become an ethnic minority without ever leaving the town of my birth and now I can't leave because I am trapped by negative equity. Never mind, the Imam from the mosque will come along in a few years and tell me what my house is worth. At least then the local authority will pile loads of cash into the area to improve it.

England, the land of milk and honey.

You have it spot on, this iis a substantial worry for many people in the town. No wonder house prices in the Ribble Valley have risen so substantially in recent years as white flight gathers momentum. Blackburn was always a dour northern mill town with little architecture of any merit, but at least it felt like home, which frankly it doesnt these days. It is considered racist of course to express an opinion about the Asianisation of the town that we grew up up in and the effect that this has on house prices, not to mention the general quality of life experienced by the long suffering indigenous population. Such matters are generally discussed privately for fear of an accusation of racism, which only seems to work one way. There is a silent majority of simmering discontent , a discontent that dare not speak out loud, in this part of our green and pleasant land.

A 26% fall in house prices! Whoa, that's terrible. I know several middle-class people who are happy to refer to hightailing it out of Blackburn as being members of 'white flight'. There will be people who got on to the property market from 2003-2006 who will have paid market value prices at the time but now market prices have plummeted leaving a lot of misery around. Listen to the employers rubbing their hands in glee knowing they hold the whip-hand now the people will do pretty much anything for pretty much any money they will be prepared to pay. Bad times are looming.

No suprise given the disasterous decisions made by the political elite that have run Blackburn into the ground. Anyone who could afford it has already left. There is no civic pride, no employment, no opportunities, no night time economy and looking further into the future no hope. Blackburn has become a very negative place to live. There are too many negatives and not enough positives. Blackburn really is a "Northern Ill Town". As for people having the opportunity to grab a bargain and come and live in the town, it wont happen. Cheap property prices will attract even more private landlords, who will exploit people to make money whilst investing nothing into the town. In addition Blackburn is a racially divided town with a bad reputation. If I were a parent I would not want to bring my children up in a town like Blackburn. The risks are too high. They dont have a dedicated unit of people working to prevent children from being sexually exploited for nothing. The truth is that the politically disorientated elite have got what they wanted and they are welcome to it. It is possible to live in a town and disengage from it entirely. Many people in Blackburn do this, they shop in Manchester or Preston, they go out of town to socialise, they dont vote and generally do not support anything that the town tries to offer. In short,they have given up on it. I prefer to spend my money where I can meet a better class of loser. I make a point of spending absolutely nothing in Blackburn. I even fill my car up with fuel in Preston. I would urge those of you that can to do the same. The town of Blackburn does not deserve your support.

Deus Vobiscum

Ahhh. Looky here, the so called indigenous population crying again. If you move out that’s up to you. Others will take the spot. You cant blame Asians for that. The white families who moved out were happy to cash in on Asian buyers. I can feel safe walking the streets around Bastwell without alcohol driven yobs acting like animals. You only need to watch panorama ‘trouble on the estate’ and you will learn a lot about communities.
Yes, Blackburn has a high Asian count, but 90% of England and wales is still white. If you don’t like it, there’s a million other places around the UK you can go to. But always remember, Where ever you go, We will always be there, Just another human being of different colour in your local takeaway, your taxi man, Your shopping centre. In the panorama programme, it was very evident, that a lot of the white community didn’t want to work. To lazy to work. ‘Rather live on benefits’ was the answer to everything. Have poppers, smoke weed and get leathered on alcohol. Reminded me of Shameless.

255.255.255.0 wrote:
Ahhh. Looky here, the so called indigenous population crying again. If you move out that’s up to you. Others will take the spot. You cant blame Asians for that. The white families who moved out were happy to cash in on Asian buyers. I can feel safe walking the streets around Bastwell without alcohol driven yobs acting like animals. You only need to watch panorama ‘trouble on the estate’ and you will learn a lot about communities.
Yes, Blackburn has a high Asian count, but 90% of England and wales is still white. If you don’t like it, there’s a million other places around the UK you can go to. But always remember, Where ever you go, We will always be there, Just another human being of different colour in your local takeaway, your taxi man, Your shopping centre. In the panorama programme, it was very evident, that a lot of the white community didn’t want to work. To lazy to work. ‘Rather live on benefits’ was the answer to everything. Have poppers, smoke weed and get leathered on alcohol. Reminded me of Shameless.

The suggestion that the few social inadequates featured in the Panorama programme are representative of the white population of Blackburn as a whole is insulting and ridiculous. The vast majority are decent and hardworking. And skin colour is irrelevant, it is the alien culture and the refusal to integrate by intermarriage that causes the problems. Problems that can only intensify in coming years.

oldblue wrote:

Mr Purple wrote: What have Oldham and Blackburn got in common? Answers on a postcard. It's a shame that reasonable people cannot have informed discussion about this issue owing to any opinion being hijacked. Our first home was on Snow Street, we were the last white family to leave the street. We moved to the billinge area of town and were one of the last white families to leave to go to where we are now, Brownhill. I now go into my back yard in my negative equity terrace house and once more I am able to smell that familar odour of an eastern meal being prepared. (Most days, for most of the day!). Can't say anything about it because that would make me a racist. I just never figured that I would become an ethnic minority without ever leaving the town of my birth and now I can't leave because I am trapped by negative equity. Never mind, the Imam from the mosque will come along in a few years and tell me what my house is worth. At least then the local authority will pile loads of cash into the area to improve it. England, the land of milk and honey.

You have it spot on, this iis a substantial worry for many people in the town. No wonder house prices in the Ribble Valley have risen so substantially in recent years as white flight gathers momentum. Blackburn was always a dour northern mill town with little architecture of any merit, but at least it felt like home, which frankly it doesnt these days. It is considered racist of course to express an opinion about the Asianisation of the town that we grew up up in and the effect that this has on house prices, not to mention the general quality of life experienced by the long suffering indigenous population. Such matters are generally discussed privately for fear of an accusation of racism, which only seems to work one way. There is a silent majority of simmering discontent , a discontent that dare not speak out loud, in this part of our green and pleasant land.

Excellent posts both speaking the truth.

255.255.255.0 wrote:
Ahhh. Looky here, the so called indigenous population crying again. If you move out that’s up to you. Others will take the spot. You cant blame Asians for that. The white families who moved out were happy to cash in on Asian buyers. I can feel safe walking the streets around Bastwell without alcohol driven yobs acting like animals. You only need to watch panorama ‘trouble on the estate’ and you will learn a lot about communities.
Yes, Blackburn has a high Asian count, but 90% of England and wales is still white. If you don’t like it, there’s a million other places around the UK you can go to. But always remember, Where ever you go, We will always be there, Just another human being of different colour in your local takeaway, your taxi man, Your shopping centre. In the panorama programme, it was very evident, that a lot of the white community didn’t want to work. To lazy to work. ‘Rather live on benefits’ was the answer to everything. Have poppers, smoke weed and get leathered on alcohol. Reminded me of Shameless.

If you quote trouble on the estate - can I quote the two dispatches programs that criticised the asian/muslim community for their racist teachings against the white community - therefore justifying the wish to move from mixed areas?

Your comments are also bigoted, and racist, implying that white communities are lazy and use drugs.

ALL asian areas in Blackburn have a very high percentage claiming benefits, significant drugs use/dealing and don't forget that there are more asians in prison than whites as a percentage of the population as a whole.

Hows that for mud slinging?

This is more than just white flight from the asian community. This is about the significant number of immigrants (both European and others) as well as the high unemployment. The UK government seems content to use Blackburn as a dumping ground for the worlds flotsam even though it is one of the most deprived areas in England.

If you ask an immigrant why they come to the UK, they will say its for a better life. People of Blackburn that can afford to move will move for this exact same reason. Realistically, the only people buying houses in Blackburn are either businessmen, who will rent out to whoever or whatever, or members of the asian community who are well aware of the current market trends and can haggle with the best of ‘em. This in turn slighty contributes to the lower the price of housing in this town.

PS. While I’m here

House for sale. 4 bedrooms, twin garage with en suit to master bedroom.

jack daniels wrote:
This is more than just white flight from the asian community. This is about the significant number of immigrants (both European and others) as well as the high unemployment. The UK government seems content to use Blackburn as a dumping ground for the worlds flotsam even though it is one of the most deprived areas in England.

If you ask an immigrant why they come to the UK, they will say its for a better life. People of Blackburn that can afford to move will move for this exact same reason. Realistically, the only people buying houses in Blackburn are either businessmen, who will rent out to whoever or whatever, or members of the asian community who are well aware of the current market trends and can haggle with the best of ‘em. This in turn slighty contributes to the lower the price of housing in this town.

PS. While I’m here

House for sale. 4 bedrooms, twin garage with en suit to master bedroom.

How much ' you asking?

Interesting comments and there is a clear missunderstanding of the housing market in Blackburn. The Asian areas of the town have seen no fall in prices. Newbank Road area prices are higher than in 07. The biggest falls are in Mill Hill Ewood. The simple reason is that young people are not buying houses in these area. 20 year olds dont get married and buy a house anymore. ( They do in Asian areas) The better of kids wont move out of mums house to buy and do up a terrace. The others rent often through benifit. What we should do is subsidise buyers of terrace in the poorer areas to allow people to buy and regenerate them.

:-) ha negitive equity so much for renting is a mugs game :-)

Ho thats cheared me up. :-)

2 for 5p wrote:
:-) ha negitive equity so much for renting is a mugs game :-)

Ho thats cheared me up. :-)

It didn't help your spelling much though.

jack daniels wrote:

255.255.255.0 wrote:
Ahhh. Looky here, the so called indigenous population crying again. If you move out that’s up to you. Others will take the spot. You cant blame Asians for that. The white families who moved out were happy to cash in on Asian buyers. I can feel safe walking the streets around Bastwell without alcohol driven yobs acting like animals. You only need to watch panorama ‘trouble on the estate’ and you will learn a lot about communities.
Yes, Blackburn has a high Asian count, but 90% of England and wales is still white. If you don’t like it, there’s a million other places around the UK you can go to. But always remember, Where ever you go, We will always be there, Just another human being of different colour in your local takeaway, your taxi man, Your shopping centre. In the panorama programme, it was very evident, that a lot of the white community didn’t want to work. To lazy to work. ‘Rather live on benefits’ was the answer to everything. Have poppers, smoke weed and get leathered on alcohol. Reminded me of Shameless.

If you quote trouble on the estate - can I quote the two dispatches programs that criticised the asian/muslim community for their racist teachings against the white community - therefore justifying the wish to move from mixed areas?

Your comments are also bigoted, and racist, implying that white communities are lazy and use drugs.

ALL asian areas in Blackburn have a very high percentage claiming benefits, significant drugs use/dealing and don't forget that there are more asians in prison than whites as a percentage of the population as a whole.

Hows that for mud slinging?

I was relating to the people in the programme! I am neither a racist or a bigot. There are many hardworking white people. There are also many hardworking Asian people. The Panorama programme is an example of what certain areas in Blackburn have become, so before you start pointing fingers, the truth is in the pudding, and its been exposed which a lot of people didn’t like. People like you are vermin just waiting for an opportunity to take a dig at every opportunity. If you want to compare stories, bring it on. But not in this thread. We all know how you think and what you imply. I’ve been looking at property prices and Asian areas hold value in property. Mill Hill and Shads, Livesey quite frankly don’t. Its a fact. The other fact is it’s a correction of the housing market so that plays a part too. The bigots are people like you who can’t differentiate between cultures because you paint every none white the same. You obviously don’t have a clue. The bigoted one is one who can’t see pass their own backyard and look at the bigger picture. Its bigoted to think that when 90% of England and wales is white, you want to play the minority card. You really are thick.

255.255.255.0 wrote:
Ahhh. Looky here, the so called indigenous population crying again. If you move out that’s up to you. Others will take the spot. You cant blame Asians for that. The white families who moved out were happy to cash in on Asian buyers. I can feel safe walking the streets around Bastwell without alcohol driven yobs acting like animals. You only need to watch panorama ‘trouble on the estate’ and you will learn a lot about communities.
Yes, Blackburn has a high Asian count, but 90% of England and wales is still white. If you don’t like it, there’s a million other places around the UK you can go to. But always remember, Where ever you go, We will always be there, Just another human being of different colour in your local takeaway, your taxi man, Your shopping centre. In the panorama programme, it was very evident, that a lot of the white community didn’t want to work. To lazy to work. ‘Rather live on benefits’ was the answer to everything. Have poppers, smoke weed and get leathered on alcohol. Reminded me of Shameless.

You forgot to mention systematic grooming and sexual exploitation of White female children............
oh hang on a minute, that's just in YOUR community.

255.255.255.0 wrote:
jack daniels wrote:
255.Just because you don't like what he has to say doesn't make him thick.

Just another example of your Intolerance towards other people's opinions.

And while your on the subject of thickness, look up the phrase "the proof is in the pudding".

DirtyHarry wrote:

255.255.255.0 wrote:
Ahhh. Looky here, the so called indigenous population crying again. If you move out that’s up to you. Others will take the spot. You cant blame Asians for that. The white families who moved out were happy to cash in on Asian buyers. I can feel safe walking the streets around Bastwell without alcohol driven yobs acting like animals. You only need to watch panorama ‘trouble on the estate’ and you will learn a lot about communities.
Yes, Blackburn has a high Asian count, but 90% of England and wales is still white. If you don’t like it, there’s a million other places around the UK you can go to. But always remember, Where ever you go, We will always be there, Just another human being of different colour in your local takeaway, your taxi man, Your shopping centre. In the panorama programme, it was very evident, that a lot of the white community didn’t want to work. To lazy to work. ‘Rather live on benefits’ was the answer to everything. Have poppers, smoke weed and get leathered on alcohol. Reminded me of Shameless.

You forgot to mention systematic grooming and sexual exploitation of White female children............

oh hang on a minute, that's just in YOUR community.

77% of 645 grooming cases, were white indigenous related. 9% Pakistani and 3% indian. 11% remaining committed by other nationalities. Out of the 77%, 3% sexual exploitation committed by white females.
These are the statistics released by the East Lancashire police, and just not restricted to the asian community.

Let's all just stick to the house price debate, eh!

oldblue wrote:

2 for 5p wrote:
:-) ha negitive equity so much for renting is a mugs game :-)

Ho thats cheared me up. :-)

It didn't help your spelling much though.

look twonk
Have you ever heard of auto text.
Moron

DirtyHarry wrote:

255.255.255.0 wrote:
Ahhh. Looky here, the so called indigenous population crying again. If you move out that’s up to you. Others will take the spot. You cant blame Asians for that. The white families who moved out were happy to cash in on Asian buyers. I can feel safe walking the streets around Bastwell without alcohol driven yobs acting like animals. You only need to watch panorama ‘trouble on the estate’ and you will learn a lot about communities.
Yes, Blackburn has a high Asian count, but 90% of England and wales is still white. If you don’t like it, there’s a million other places around the UK you can go to. But always remember, Where ever you go, We will always be there, Just another human being of different colour in your local takeaway, your taxi man, Your shopping centre. In the panorama programme, it was very evident, that a lot of the white community didn’t want to work. To lazy to work. ‘Rather live on benefits’ was the answer to everything. Have poppers, smoke weed and get leathered on alcohol. Reminded me of Shameless.

You forgot to mention systematic grooming and sexual exploitation of White female children............

oh hang on a minute, that's just in YOUR community.

Whats MY community Dirty Harry?! go on, say it. Asia has over 50 countries, So you want to go through them one by one?! Oh and thick means stupid in case you didn't know. Blimey, have to teach you everything..

255.255.255.0 wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
255.Do I really have to spell it out ?

Just read the stories on here. Can't remember the last time I saw a story about a group of North Korean males plying children with alcohol and drugs in return for sexual activity.

sen c ble wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
255.And you believe that do you?

oldblue wrote:

Mr Purple wrote:
What have Oldham and Blackburn got in common? Answers on a postcard.

It's a shame that reasonable people cannot have informed discussion about this issue owing to any opinion being hijacked.

Our first home was on Snow Street, we were the last white family to leave the street. We moved to the billinge area of town and were one of the last white families to leave to go to where we are now, Brownhill. I now go into my back yard in my negative equity terrace house and once more I am able to smell that familar odour of an eastern meal being prepared. (Most days, for most of the day!). Can't say anything about it because that would make me a racist.

I just never figured that I would become an ethnic minority without ever leaving the town of my birth and now I can't leave because I am trapped by negative equity. Never mind, the Imam from the mosque will come along in a few years and tell me what my house is worth. At least then the local authority will pile loads of cash into the area to improve it.

England, the land of milk and honey.

You have it spot on, this iis a substantial worry for many people in the town. No wonder house prices in the Ribble Valley have risen so substantially in recent years as white flight gathers momentum. Blackburn was always a dour northern mill town with little architecture of any merit, but at least it felt like home, which frankly it doesnt these days. It is considered racist of course to express an opinion about the Asianisation of the town that we grew up up in and the effect that this has on house prices, not to mention the general quality of life experienced by the long suffering indigenous population. Such matters are generally discussed privately for fear of an accusation of racism, which only seems to work one way. There is a silent majority of simmering discontent , a discontent that dare not speak out loud, in this part of our green and pleasant land.

A friend of my brothers was studying a course at Blackburn College, they were sent home to complete a piece of work, one of the documents she had gave a worrying statistic. A minority that makes up 20% of Blackburns population actually owns a massive 80% of all the privately owned properties and that if you rent a property from a private landlord you are more than likely to be renting from one of these minorities.

DirtyHarry wrote:
sen c ble wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
255.And you believe that do you?I believe cases I read in the news. There's that one about a 16 year old girl raped by three asian lads. Then there's the article Darwen guy sentenced to 10 years for 13 counts of abusuing under age girls, and that female accused of indecent assault on another woman, and last week that Burnley paedo with indecent images of children, and the colne careworker accused of raping the 16 year old and making her pregnant etc etc
To me this would seem they all at it.
What would you think?

DirtyHarry wrote:
Just read the stories on here. Can't remember the last time I saw a story about a group of North Korean males plying children with alcohol and drugs in return for sexual activity.

Would that be you Harry by any chance?! Lets look a little more recently. A maths teacher running away to France with a 15 year old. Another teacher convicted of 30 sex abuses. A man sexually abusing a horsey. Like i said, dont get me started. Lets focus on the real issue here, about house prices, just like sen c ble said.

Martinkerry wrote:
Interesting comments and there is a clear missunderstanding of the housing market in Blackburn. The Asian areas of the town have seen no fall in prices. Newbank Road area prices are higher than in 07. The biggest falls are in Mill Hill Ewood. The simple reason is that young people are not buying houses in these area. 20 year olds dont get married and buy a house anymore. ( They do in Asian areas) The better of kids wont move out of mums house to buy and do up a terrace. The others rent often through benifit. What we should do is subsidise buyers of terrace in the poorer areas to allow people to buy and regenerate them.

Some great ideas and points raisd here.

For you multiculturalists, this is known as "White Flight" !!!.

255.255.255.0 wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

255.255.255.0 wrote:
Ahhh. Looky here, the so called indigenous population crying again. If you move out that’s up to you. Others will take the spot. You cant blame Asians for that. The white families who moved out were happy to cash in on Asian buyers. I can feel safe walking the streets around Bastwell without alcohol driven yobs acting like animals. You only need to watch panorama ‘trouble on the estate’ and you will learn a lot about communities.
Yes, Blackburn has a high Asian count, but 90% of England and wales is still white. If you don’t like it, there’s a million other places around the UK you can go to. But always remember, Where ever you go, We will always be there, Just another human being of different colour in your local takeaway, your taxi man, Your shopping centre. In the panorama programme, it was very evident, that a lot of the white community didn’t want to work. To lazy to work. ‘Rather live on benefits’ was the answer to everything. Have poppers, smoke weed and get leathered on alcohol. Reminded me of Shameless.

If you quote trouble on the estate - can I quote the two dispatches programs that criticised the asian/muslim community for their racist teachings against the white community - therefore justifying the wish to move from mixed areas?

Your comments are also bigoted, and racist, implying that white communities are lazy and use drugs.

ALL asian areas in Blackburn have a very high percentage claiming benefits, significant drugs use/dealing and don't forget that there are more asians in prison than whites as a percentage of the population as a whole.

Hows that for mud slinging?

I was relating to the people in the programme! I am neither a racist or a bigot. There are many hardworking white people. There are also many hardworking Asian people. The Panorama programme is an example of what certain areas in Blackburn have become, so before you start pointing fingers, the truth is in the pudding, and its been exposed which a lot of people didn’t like. People like you are vermin just waiting for an opportunity to take a dig at every opportunity. If you want to compare stories, bring it on. But not in this thread. We all know how you think and what you imply. I’ve been looking at property prices and Asian areas hold value in property. Mill Hill and Shads, Livesey quite frankly don’t. Its a fact. The other fact is it’s a correction of the housing market so that plays a part too. The bigots are people like you who can’t differentiate between cultures because you paint every none white the same. You obviously don’t have a clue. The bigoted one is one who can’t see pass their own backyard and look at the bigger picture. Its bigoted to think that when 90% of England and wales is white, you want to play the minority card. You really are thick.

You can back scuttle all you want but you are using a few selected comments from a flawed program to generalise a whole white community.

All I did was suggest that I do the same. Unfortunately, like always, you can't take what you dish out and get all upset when you are informed about your petty racist, bigoted comments. If you had stuck to the contents of the article rather than criticising a community, we wouldn't be having this row. I also never stated I was, or white people where in the minority.

You really are thick.

255.255.255.0 wrote:

DirtyHarry wrote:
Just read the stories on here. Can't remember the last time I saw a story about a group of North Korean males plying children with alcohol and drugs in return for sexual activity.

Would that be you Harry by any chance?! Lets look a little more recently. A maths teacher running away to France with a 15 year old. Another teacher convicted of 30 sex abuses. A man sexually abusing a horsey. Like i said, dont get me started. Lets focus on the real issue here, about house prices, just like sen c ble said.

What a two faced creep, sucking up to sen with his 'lets focus on the house prices' when he pretty much started the muck stirring by labelling white people as benefit layabouts, drunks and drug users.

You are loosing credibility by the second numbers boy and trying desperately to save face by getting others involved in your baby talk.

Nowt to do with greedy estate agents over inflating house prices for their own greed is it. Seems to me the only group to walk away from this recession blameless is estate agents, sorry but they're as bad as greedy bankers in my opinion. I put my house on the market a few years ago and it was grossly overvalued by a greedy estate agent, now the market is in reverse look at the estate agents now taking over the rental market, charging £200-250 pounds to young couples in "admin fees" only
for some to find they dont get the house and dont get their money back, It's time for government regulation to stop estate agents inflating the market.

Martinkerry wrote:
Interesting comments and there is a clear missunderstanding of the housing market in Blackburn. The Asian areas of the town have seen no fall in prices. Newbank Road area prices are higher than in 07. The biggest falls are in Mill Hill Ewood. The simple reason is that young people are not buying houses in these area. 20 year olds dont get married and buy a house anymore. ( They do in Asian areas) The better of kids wont move out of mums house to buy and do up a terrace. The others rent often through benifit. What we should do is subsidise buyers of terrace in the poorer areas to allow people to buy and regenerate them.

I'm not sure it is a case of young people don't want to move out, buy a house and do it up: its that they can't. Yes, we are back to the bankers again. Without a substantial deposit, a mortgage is a no no. The cost of living is going through the roof and wages aren't keeping up, so the opportunity to save that deposit is small / non existant.
Having got on the housing ladder through luck and opportunity about eight years ago, I am now in a position where the house needs work, but we can just about manage the bills: extras for the house just aren't an option. Another poster commented on the woeful use of the pathfinder money: maybe that would have been better spent on, as he says, doing up existing properties rather than knocking some of them down and leaving nothing there. My house has stood since 1882 and will probably still be standing in another 130 years.
The reason why the Asian community don't have this problem is because in the majority of cases they finance home buying differently: family members will club together to raise the finance for example.
Once the mortgage market imporves and the economic situation gets better then we will see if your comments are correct. At the moment, there are too many other issues which affect house buying amongst the young.
Subsidised buying opportunites is however a good idea: probably one reason why the powers that be won't adopt it.

jack daniels wrote:

255.255.255.0 wrote:

DirtyHarry wrote: Just read the stories on here. Can't remember the last time I saw a story about a group of North Korean males plying children with alcohol and drugs in return for sexual activity.

Would that be you Harry by any chance?! Lets look a little more recently. A maths teacher running away to France with a 15 year old. Another teacher convicted of 30 sex abuses. A man sexually abusing a horsey. Like i said, dont get me started. Lets focus on the real issue here, about house prices, just like sen c ble said.

What a two faced creep, sucking up to sen with his 'lets focus on the house prices' when he pretty much started the muck stirring by labelling white people as benefit layabouts, drunks and drug users. You are loosing credibility by the second numbers boy and trying desperately to save face by getting others involved in your baby talk.

sorry, you started the muck stirring by labelling white people, not he

Goz and Ladysal have both made really valid comments - house prices were vastly over inflated. I could have bought a house on my street 10 years ago for half the price I paid three years ago, and in any case we paid a massive amount less than the initial asking price, and it was accepted, not through the seller's desperation, but because they knew ultimately that the price they'd initially asked was more like the price you'd pay for a three bedroomed semi detached rather than a two bedroomed terrace. Reduced house prices might allow some younger couples and families in Blackburn actually buy rather than rent. Granted, the losers will be those in negative equity, but at least it might provide for a brighter future in terms of home ownership for young people than they've had over the last 10 years. House prices should be cheaper here, because people simply don't earn as much.

Mr Purple wrote:
What have Oldham and Blackburn got in common? Answers on a postcard.

It's a shame that reasonable people cannot have informed discussion about this issue owing to any opinion being hijacked.

Our first home was on Snow Street, we were the last white family to leave the street. We moved to the billinge area of town and were one of the last white families to leave to go to where we are now, Brownhill. I now go into my back yard in my negative equity terrace house and once more I am able to smell that familar odour of an eastern meal being prepared. (Most days, for most of the day!). Can't say anything about it because that would make me a racist.

I just never figured that I would become an ethnic minority without ever leaving the town of my birth and now I can't leave because I am trapped by negative equity. Never mind, the Imam from the mosque will come along in a few years and tell me what my house is worth. At least then the local authority will pile loads of cash into the area to improve it.

England, the land of milk and honey.

Something that is often quoted by asian muslim posters is that they can't understand why white people move out when they move in. They defend the integration issue as the fault of the indigenous population not wanting to live within the new community. As someone who has moved from Little Harwood in the 70's and New Bank Road in the 90's I know why we moved and I also know, contrary to what some posters on here assume, that we did not 'cash in' but had to 'cash out' to prevent further losses due to the state the place was becoming.
My next move will be out of Blackburn as I no longer have any feelings towards the town I once loved. The superb pubs and nightlife are gone, my beloved Corporation Park is a no go area with Witton becoming the same, driving is dangerous and my insurance keeps rocketing as a reminder of the ongoing cost of living in this town.

I keep looking for the positives that are brought with the muslim community but I struggle to find any in many decades of living amongst them.

255.255.255.0 wrote:

DirtyHarry wrote:
Just read the stories on here. Can't remember the last time I saw a story about a group of North Korean males plying children with alcohol and drugs in return for sexual activity.

Would that be you Harry by any chance?! Lets look a little more recently. A maths teacher running away to France with a 15 year old. Another teacher convicted of 30 sex abuses. A man sexually abusing a horsey. Like i said, dont get me started. Lets focus on the real issue here, about house prices, just like sen c ble said.

What about the story just a little further on in these very pages of three Asian men who have raped yet another white girl. The reason we don't see more reports about these sorts of crime is because of people like you who's first port of call is the good old, grossly over used, race card. Authorities up and down this country are so terrified of being branded racist they have virtually given certain sections of society carte blanche for fear that any intervention will instantly be deemed racist. I have actually seen a police car squeaze gingerly through a tight gap created by two Asian drivers double parking to have a conversation, obviously aware that any intervention would be deemed racist and detremental to his career. It is time people were prevented from hiding behind this deceptive shout.

I joined the so called white flight 10 years ago and now live in Cumbria,it is sad to see and hear all this infighting,but the writing has been on the wall for years.In a nutshell,if you can afford to,take flight do so, the best move we ever made.I know Jack Straw would never buy property in Blackburn,even though it has given him a privileged well paid career,on the backs of which voters????

I joined the so called white flight 10 years ago and now live in Cumbria,it is sad to see and hear all this infighting,but the writing has been on the wall for years.In a nutshell,if you can afford to,take flight do so, the best move we ever made.I know Jack Straw would never buy property in Blackburn,even though it has given him a privileged well paid career,on the backs of which voters???? That said and done it may allow the younger folk to get on the property ladder if prices everywhere were more realistically priced.

The bottom line is that Blackburn has acquired a pretty bad name in the places to live list because of the White/Asian problem. There is little cohesion.

I will happily admit to moving out of an area that I was brought up in & loved because of the Asian families that moved in. Call me racist if you will but I'm not.

Lammack was lovely part of Blackburn, people looked after their properties & respected their neighbours etc, it all made living there really pleasant. Then the Asain families began arriving & my concerns weren't due to the colour of their skin or the religion they followed or the clothing etc. My concerns were based on would they help keep the area as lovely as it always was. Sadly, the majority who moved in, didn't.

Lammack road has many grassed verges, these have become additional parking spaces, the pavements are littered with cars, the double yellow lines are ignored, gardens were 'removed' to make way for even more cars. Visitors have no regard for driveways & cause regular & frustrating problems. There came litter & there came the aroma's of cooking but in general it was the disrepect for a beautiful part of the town.

I think its fair to say that White people are house proud, the outside is as important as the inside. I think for Asian families, space is paramount because of the size of their families so the outside & the area being 'pretty' isn't so much an issue, practicality is. So there is a cultural issue here not a racist one.

Call me terribly British in my thinking but I want greenery & gardens & lovely grass verges & pavements I can walk on without having to weave in & out of the parked cars. I don't want to know what the vast majority are having for tea. I moved so I can live amongst people who like the same kind of surroundings not because of skin colour, perhaps there's a little bit of idealism in their too lol!

you’re a joke jack daniels, Your previous comments on other articles prove this. You like to twist everything. Nothing new there. Your racist yourself, you just like making digs all the time. I have many white/Asian friends who work very hard. But if you want to start pointing fingers at the Asian community for everything, you need to be ready to take criticism of the Blackburn white community too. All I’m saying is, you only need to look at the Panorama programme, tells you a lot. The truth is in the pudding. You just can’t face it that the truth has been exposed so don’t get your knickers in a twist.

This article is about house prices, not ethnicity. The reason house prices have dropped is that between 2003 and 2006 the bankers were giving people 80-100% mortgages. Some people even re-mortgaged their current homes and bought second homes, some even took out re-mortgages on their second home and brought a third home. All were assuming that the property boom will continue and that they would make huge profits and become rich in the process. Then in 2007 the market levelled off and has started to decline. The boom was over. Bankers, speculators and people got greedy, trying to make quick and easy money, thats the bottom line. If a house is for sale and somebody wants to buy it, it's up to them. They are not being 'forced to buy'. If somebody wants to sell a house, the same applies. Buying and selling homes is no easy task!

255.255.255.0 wrote:
you’re a joke jack daniels, Your previous comments on other articles prove this. You like to twist everything. Nothing new there. Your racist yourself, you just like making digs all the time. I have many white/Asian friends who work very hard. But if you want to start pointing fingers at the Asian community for everything, you need to be ready to take criticism of the Blackburn white community too. All I’m saying is, you only need to look at the Panorama programme, tells you a lot. The truth is in the pudding. You just can’t face it that the truth has been exposed so don’t get your knickers in a twist.

Haven't you looked it up yet? PROOF is in the pudding......PROOF !!!!!

DirtyHarry wrote:

255.255.255.0 wrote: you’re a joke jack daniels, Your previous comments on other articles prove this. You like to twist everything. Nothing new there. Your racist yourself, you just like making digs all the time. I have many white/Asian friends who work very hard. But if you want to start pointing fingers at the Asian community for everything, you need to be ready to take criticism of the Blackburn white community too. All I’m saying is, you only need to look at the Panorama programme, tells you a lot. The truth is in the pudding. You just can’t face it that the truth has been exposed so don’t get your knickers in a twist.

Haven't you looked it up yet? PROOF is in the pudding......PROOF !!!!!

Both of you need to go and play somewhere else: this comments thread is not the place for yet more racist abuse / arguments, it is supposed to be about house prices.

255: lay off with the Panorama programme - it shows a small minority who can be found in any town in the country. To tar the entire town / white population with that brush is offensive and incorrect. Its just like saying all Asian men are grooming / sexually abusing white female teenagers. Both statements / view points are untrue.

Dirty Harry: stop winding him up!!

ladysal wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
255.Sorry mum :(

It doesn't matter who lives in a house as long as the overall appearance in an area most are welcoming. Run down areas and noise levels does reflect the house price and most areas are crammed and limited to open space. Living in a locality of a pub probably would devalue house prices as noise generated by long opening hours I've been living in this present house for the past 32 years and neighbours of mixed backgrounds. Aroma of food does not devalue house prices. Infact I like my samosas and neighbours frequently pop around for a bite, hence why I see no change, infact a slight increase.

Blackburn is a divided town , I wonder how much Blackburn Counvil has spent on Feniscowles over the years , compared to other parts of town ,

sen c ble wrote:
It doesn't matter who lives in a house as long as the overall appearance in an area most are welcoming. Run down areas and noise levels does reflect the house price and most areas are crammed and limited to open space. Living in a locality of a pub probably would devalue house prices as noise generated by long opening hours I've been living in this present house for the past 32 years and neighbours of mixed backgrounds. Aroma of food does not devalue house prices. Infact I like my samosas and neighbours frequently pop around for a bite, hence why I see no change, infact a slight increase.

That's it then, the Oracle has spoken. House prices in Blackburn are going up!

Rimbus wrote:

sen c ble wrote:
It doesn't matter who lives in a house as long as the overall appearance in an area most are welcoming. Run down areas and noise levels does reflect the house price and most areas are crammed and limited to open space. Living in a locality of a pub probably would devalue house prices as noise generated by long opening hours I've been living in this present house for the past 32 years and neighbours of mixed backgrounds. Aroma of food does not devalue house prices. Infact I like my samosas and neighbours frequently pop around for a bite, hence why I see no change, infact a slight increase.

That's it then, the Oracle has spoken. House prices in Blackburn are going up!

Maybe it hasn't for muppets like you, but it certainly has for me. So get back into your dump, where you were running into when the Luftwaffe's were circling above your *kin head

ladysal wrote:

DirtyHarry wrote:

255.255.255.0 wrote: you’re a joke jack daniels, Your previous comments on other articles prove this. You like to twist everything. Nothing new there. Your racist yourself, you just like making digs all the time. I have many white/Asian friends who work very hard. But if you want to start pointing fingers at the Asian community for everything, you need to be ready to take criticism of the Blackburn white community too. All I’m saying is, you only need to look at the Panorama programme, tells you a lot. The truth is in the pudding. You just can’t face it that the truth has been exposed so don’t get your knickers in a twist.

Haven't you looked it up yet? PROOF is in the pudding......PROOF !!!!!

Both of you need to go and play somewhere else: this comments thread is not the place for yet more racist abuse / arguments, it is supposed to be about house prices.

255: lay off with the Panorama programme - it shows a small minority who can be found in any town in the country. To tar the entire town / white population with that brush is offensive and incorrect. Its just like saying all Asian men are grooming / sexually abusing white female teenagers. Both statements / view points are untrue.

Dirty Harry: stop winding him up!!

*looks at the floor and mumbles


Sorry Mrs S. Won't happen again..

Hey, nonsense ibble,

Thought we were discussing house prices in Blackburn. What is the significance of the Luftwaffe?

Just wished it smashed you to bits. That's what.

sen c ble wrote:
Just wished it smashed you to bits. That's what.

Why? That's not a very nice thing to say.

Have you not been to the anger management class this week?

Houses are MASSIVELY overpriced all over the country.
A correction of at least 30% is required.
The only reason prices have remained high is the government frantically pumping money into the economy to maintain the market.
The so called 'market' is totally artificial.

jellybiff wrote:
Something that is often quoted by asian muslim posters is that they can't understand why white people move out when they move in. I can answer that easy .The smells on the street are disgusting; they do effect house prices .My mums house stinks all the time of cooking smells and when she asked next doors about it they just laughed .So she asked the council and they just laughed at her.The staniwomen all around the area don't work Stani women just stay at home having kids and claiming benefits. All around they just throw used furniture and garbage out on to the street and expect it to be picked up;once out of their house it's nothing to do with them etc.We have to ring the council to get it removed and when we told them who did it as it was fly-tipping they laughed and said they cant do anything because they've been told not to by the hierachy .The area is now swarming with little Britishtanis because each house seems to have 4 /5 kids in it. They swarm all over the streets until the late hours even on schooldays and these are kids 8/9/10.When my mum asked them to keep the noise down at 1.30 on a Thursday night they just said it's kids playing.Give me an estate full of druggies and social scroungers anytime

It seems like asians are bieng blamed for anything and everything that seems to be going wrong within the local indigenous population.
When our grandfathers discovered this town around 60 years ago it was dull and boring, they say the sky was always covered in black smoke.
The locals were so backwards they hadnt even heard of spices or chillies, crucial for a good meal. The discovery was made 60 years ago, and during that time major improvements have taken place, they had to take control to enable this to happen, they started to work long shifts, grafting day in day out, the factories started to pick up.
Then over the years the indigenous people would start to complain that these people who have discovered us, dont integrate. So they started to buy houses in these araes to enable integration to take place, but this didnt work well, the indigenous started to move out, this left the newcomers confused, on the one hand the integration drum beat was sounding loud and clear, and on the other, they would move out of the area when attempts on integration were made. I mean surely the first and best steps towards integration is to move into the area.
It is quite an amusing experience, integration, no integration, integration, no integration, come on guys make your minds up. Do you want to integrate or not, the grounds on which the asians are constantly being bombarded at for allsorts of issues, is integration, and yet when they try to integrate, people move out, its confusing dont you think.
And when you do move out, it would make sense if you moved to Mill Hill or shads, afterall we still want to remain in our beloved Blackburn dont we? or do we?
It clearly seems people have just got bored of blackburn as a whole, and just to make themselves feel better, they slap the blame on the asians.
What a laughing stock. They showed you how to work, how to make proper meals, how to organise, how to run council affairs, but they forgot to teach you manners or logic.

mo911 wrote:

jellybiff wrote:
Something that is often quoted by asian muslim posters is that they can't understand why white people move out when they move in. I can answer that easy .The smells on the street are disgusting; they do effect house prices .My mums house stinks all the time of cooking smells and when she asked next doors about it they just laughed .So she asked the council and they just laughed at her.The staniwomen all around the area don't work Stani women just stay at home having kids and claiming benefits. All around they just throw used furniture and garbage out on to the street and expect it to be picked up;once out of their house it's nothing to do with them etc.We have to ring the council to get it removed and when we told them who did it as it was fly-tipping they laughed and said they cant do anything because they've been told not to by the hierachy .The area is now swarming with little Britishtanis because each house seems to have 4 /5 kids in it. They swarm all over the streets until the late hours even on schooldays and these are kids 8/9/10.When my mum asked them to keep the noise down at 1.30 on a Thursday night they just said it's kids playing.Give me an estate full of druggies and social scroungers anytime

It seems like asians are bieng blamed for anything and everything that seems to be going wrong within the local indigenous population.
When our grandfathers discovered this town around 60 years ago it was dull and boring, they say the sky was always covered in black smoke.
The locals were so backwards they hadnt even heard of spices or chillies, crucial for a good meal. The discovery was made 60 years ago, and during that time major improvements have taken place, they had to take control to enable this to happen, they started to work long shifts, grafting day in day out, the factories started to pick up.
Then over the years the indigenous people would start to complain that these people who have discovered us, dont integrate. So they started to buy houses in these araes to enable integration to take place, but this didnt work well, the indigenous started to move out, this left the newcomers confused, on the one hand the integration drum beat was sounding loud and clear, and on the other, they would move out of the area when attempts on integration were made. I mean surely the first and best steps towards integration is to move into the area.
It is quite an amusing experience, integration, no integration, integration, no integration, come on guys make your minds up. Do you want to integrate or not, the grounds on which the asians are constantly being bombarded at for allsorts of issues, is integration, and yet when they try to integrate, people move out, its confusing dont you think.
And when you do move out, it would make sense if you moved to Mill Hill or shads, afterall we still want to remain in our beloved Blackburn dont we? or do we?
It clearly seems people have just got bored of blackburn as a whole, and just to make themselves feel better, they slap the blame on the asians.
What a laughing stock. They showed you how to work, how to make proper meals, how to organise, how to run council affairs, but they forgot to teach you manners or logic.

Your post is extremely insulting to the vast majority of respectable, hard-working and house-proud residents of Blackburn and merely serves to underline your own educational shortcomings and intolerance towards other cultures.

In terms of 60 years ago the sky being black in Blackburn 60 with smoke, I think you will find that it was pretty much like that in all UK towns and cities 60 years ago as the majority of homes, factories and businesses were still reliant on solid fuel (coal) for heating. This type of fuel creates visible airborne particles known as smoke and was commonplace in all industrialised settlements 60 years ago.

To suggest that the locals were backwards because 60 years ago they had not heard of spices or chillies is cretinous in the extreme. 60 years ago the whole of Western Europe was just starting to recover from the greatest conflict our planet has ever experienced and quite frankly I would suggest that merely feeding one's own family was a challenge, chillies and spices would have been the last thing on peoples minds. BTW world war 2 was fought and won by the allies so that morons like you could rely on justice, freedom of speech and expression and be free from persecution and dictatorship. When I think of the millions of good men who gave their lives to achieve that, and then think of you and your intolerant attitude, my stomach turns.

Whilst acknowledging that there have been great improvements in living standards in the last 60 years, these have been universal and not the result of the actions of one community or another. I would go further and say that these have happened in spite of people with attitudes similar to yours, not because of them.

There is no need for me to add any further throw away insults as you felt compelled to do, your untrue, deranged, deluded and child-like rantings above are sufficient evidence for all to see of your extremely limited intelligence.
Amen.

Rimbus wrote:

mo911 wrote:

jellybiff wrote:
Something that is often quoted by asian muslim posters is that they can't understand why white people move out when they move in. I can answer that easy .The smells on the street are disgusting; they do effect house prices .My mums house stinks all the time of cooking smells and when she asked next doors about it they just laughed .So she asked the council and they just laughed at her.The staniwomen all around the area don't work Stani women just stay at home having kids and claiming benefits. All around they just throw used furniture and garbage out on to the street and expect it to be picked up;once out of their house it's nothing to do with them etc.We have to ring the council to get it removed and when we told them who did it as it was fly-tipping they laughed and said they cant do anything because they've been told not to by the hierachy .The area is now swarming with little Britishtanis because each house seems to have 4 /5 kids in it. They swarm all over the streets until the late hours even on schooldays and these are kids 8/9/10.When my mum asked them to keep the noise down at 1.30 on a Thursday night they just said it's kids playing.Give me an estate full of druggies and social scroungers anytime

It seems like asians are bieng blamed for anything and everything that seems to be going wrong within the local indigenous population.
When our grandfathers discovered this town around 60 years ago it was dull and boring, they say the sky was always covered in black smoke.
The locals were so backwards they hadnt even heard of spices or chillies, crucial for a good meal. The discovery was made 60 years ago, and during that time major improvements have taken place, they had to take control to enable this to happen, they started to work long shifts, grafting day in day out, the factories started to pick up.
Then over the years the indigenous people would start to complain that these people who have discovered us, dont integrate. So they started to buy houses in these araes to enable integration to take place, but this didnt work well, the indigenous started to move out, this left the newcomers confused, on the one hand the integration drum beat was sounding loud and clear, and on the other, they would move out of the area when attempts on integration were made. I mean surely the first and best steps towards integration is to move into the area.
It is quite an amusing experience, integration, no integration, integration, no integration, come on guys make your minds up. Do you want to integrate or not, the grounds on which the asians are constantly being bombarded at for allsorts of issues, is integration, and yet when they try to integrate, people move out, its confusing dont you think.
And when you do move out, it would make sense if you moved to Mill Hill or shads, afterall we still want to remain in our beloved Blackburn dont we? or do we?
It clearly seems people have just got bored of blackburn as a whole, and just to make themselves feel better, they slap the blame on the asians.
What a laughing stock. They showed you how to work, how to make proper meals, how to organise, how to run council affairs, but they forgot to teach you manners or logic.

Your post is extremely insulting to the vast majority of respectable, hard-working and house-proud residents of Blackburn and merely serves to underline your own educational shortcomings and intolerance towards other cultures.

In terms of 60 years ago the sky being black in Blackburn 60 with smoke, I think you will find that it was pretty much like that in all UK towns and cities 60 years ago as the majority of homes, factories and businesses were still reliant on solid fuel (coal) for heating. This type of fuel creates visible airborne particles known as smoke and was commonplace in all industrialised settlements 60 years ago.

To suggest that the locals were backwards because 60 years ago they had not heard of spices or chillies is cretinous in the extreme. 60 years ago the whole of Western Europe was just starting to recover from the greatest conflict our planet has ever experienced and quite frankly I would suggest that merely feeding one's own family was a challenge, chillies and spices would have been the last thing on peoples minds. BTW world war 2 was fought and won by the allies so that morons like you could rely on justice, freedom of speech and expression and be free from persecution and dictatorship. When I think of the millions of good men who gave their lives to achieve that, and then think of you and your intolerant attitude, my stomach turns.

Whilst acknowledging that there have been great improvements in living standards in the last 60 years, these have been universal and not the result of the actions of one community or another. I would go further and say that these have happened in spite of people with attitudes similar to yours, not because of them.

There is no need for me to add any further throw away insults as you felt compelled to do, your untrue, deranged, deluded and child-like rantings above are sufficient evidence for all to see of your extremely limited intelligence.
Amen.

The Russian and the Asian front were decisive to the outcome of the war and you're in no position to comment as your knowledge to the military contributions to the war is rated absolute zero, and I found your posts and comments very, very insulting on the other news article and requested the LT to take appropriate action as I felt I was being targeted.. Not that I am afraid or frightened and they acknowledged and supported my view that I was in the position not to declare my identity and that your means was purely of offensive nature.

Sen

sen c ble wrote:

Rimbus wrote:

mo911 wrote:

jellybiff wrote:
Something that is often quoted by asian muslim posters is that they can't understand why white people move out when they move in. I can answer that easy .The smells on the street are disgusting; they do effect house prices .My mums house stinks all the time of cooking smells and when she asked next doors about it they just laughed .So she asked the council and they just laughed at her.The staniwomen all around the area don't work Stani women just stay at home having kids and claiming benefits. All around they just throw used furniture and garbage out on to the street and expect it to be picked up;once out of their house it's nothing to do with them etc.We have to ring the council to get it removed and when we told them who did it as it was fly-tipping they laughed and said they cant do anything because they've been told not to by the hierachy .The area is now swarming with little Britishtanis because each house seems to have 4 /5 kids in it. They swarm all over the streets until the late hours even on schooldays and these are kids 8/9/10.When my mum asked them to keep the noise down at 1.30 on a Thursday night they just said it's kids playing.Give me an estate full of druggies and social scroungers anytime

It seems like asians are bieng blamed for anything and everything that seems to be going wrong within the local indigenous population.
When our grandfathers discovered this town around 60 years ago it was dull and boring, they say the sky was always covered in black smoke.
The locals were so backwards they hadnt even heard of spices or chillies, crucial for a good meal. The discovery was made 60 years ago, and during that time major improvements have taken place, they had to take control to enable this to happen, they started to work long shifts, grafting day in day out, the factories started to pick up.
Then over the years the indigenous people would start to complain that these people who have discovered us, dont integrate. So they started to buy houses in these araes to enable integration to take place, but this didnt work well, the indigenous started to move out, this left the newcomers confused, on the one hand the integration drum beat was sounding loud and clear, and on the other, they would move out of the area when attempts on integration were made. I mean surely the first and best steps towards integration is to move into the area.
It is quite an amusing experience, integration, no integration, integration, no integration, come on guys make your minds up. Do you want to integrate or not, the grounds on which the asians are constantly being bombarded at for allsorts of issues, is integration, and yet when they try to integrate, people move out, its confusing dont you think.
And when you do move out, it would make sense if you moved to Mill Hill or shads, afterall we still want to remain in our beloved Blackburn dont we? or do we?
It clearly seems people have just got bored of blackburn as a whole, and just to make themselves feel better, they slap the blame on the asians.
What a laughing stock. They showed you how to work, how to make proper meals, how to organise, how to run council affairs, but they forgot to teach you manners or logic.

Your post is extremely insulting to the vast majority of respectable, hard-working and house-proud residents of Blackburn and merely serves to underline your own educational shortcomings and intolerance towards other cultures.

In terms of 60 years ago the sky being black in Blackburn 60 with smoke, I think you will find that it was pretty much like that in all UK towns and cities 60 years ago as the majority of homes, factories and businesses were still reliant on solid fuel (coal) for heating. This type of fuel creates visible airborne particles known as smoke and was commonplace in all industrialised settlements 60 years ago.

To suggest that the locals were backwards because 60 years ago they had not heard of spices or chillies is cretinous in the extreme. 60 years ago the whole of Western Europe was just starting to recover from the greatest conflict our planet has ever experienced and quite frankly I would suggest that merely feeding one's own family was a challenge, chillies and spices would have been the last thing on peoples minds. BTW world war 2 was fought and won by the allies so that morons like you could rely on justice, freedom of speech and expression and be free from persecution and dictatorship. When I think of the millions of good men who gave their lives to achieve that, and then think of you and your intolerant attitude, my stomach turns.

Whilst acknowledging that there have been great improvements in living standards in the last 60 years, these have been universal and not the result of the actions of one community or another. I would go further and say that these have happened in spite of people with attitudes similar to yours, not because of them.

There is no need for me to add any further throw away insults as you felt compelled to do, your untrue, deranged, deluded and child-like rantings above are sufficient evidence for all to see of your extremely limited intelligence.
Amen.

The Russian and the Asian front were decisive to the outcome of the war and you're in no position to comment as your knowledge to the military contributions to the war is rated absolute zero, and I found your posts and comments very, very insulting on the other news article and requested the LT to take appropriate action as I felt I was being targeted.. Not that I am afraid or frightened and they acknowledged and supported my view that I was in the position not to declare my identity and that your means was purely of offensive nature.

Sen

Nonsens ibble

Are you stalking me?

sen c ble wrote:

Rimbus wrote:

mo911 wrote:

jellybiff wrote:
Something that is often quoted by asian muslim posters is that they can't understand why white people move out when they move in. I can answer that easy .The smells on the street are disgusting; they do effect house prices .My mums house stinks all the time of cooking smells and when she asked next doors about it they just laughed .So she asked the council and they just laughed at her.The staniwomen all around the area don't work Stani women just stay at home having kids and claiming benefits. All around they just throw used furniture and garbage out on to the street and expect it to be picked up;once out of their house it's nothing to do with them etc.We have to ring the council to get it removed and when we told them who did it as it was fly-tipping they laughed and said they cant do anything because they've been told not to by the hierachy .The area is now swarming with little Britishtanis because each house seems to have 4 /5 kids in it. They swarm all over the streets until the late hours even on schooldays and these are kids 8/9/10.When my mum asked them to keep the noise down at 1.30 on a Thursday night they just said it's kids playing.Give me an estate full of druggies and social scroungers anytime

It seems like asians are bieng blamed for anything and everything that seems to be going wrong within the local indigenous population.
When our grandfathers discovered this town around 60 years ago it was dull and boring, they say the sky was always covered in black smoke.
The locals were so backwards they hadnt even heard of spices or chillies, crucial for a good meal. The discovery was made 60 years ago, and during that time major improvements have taken place, they had to take control to enable this to happen, they started to work long shifts, grafting day in day out, the factories started to pick up.
Then over the years the indigenous people would start to complain that these people who have discovered us, dont integrate. So they started to buy houses in these araes to enable integration to take place, but this didnt work well, the indigenous started to move out, this left the newcomers confused, on the one hand the integration drum beat was sounding loud and clear, and on the other, they would move out of the area when attempts on integration were made. I mean surely the first and best steps towards integration is to move into the area.
It is quite an amusing experience, integration, no integration, integration, no integration, come on guys make your minds up. Do you want to integrate or not, the grounds on which the asians are constantly being bombarded at for allsorts of issues, is integration, and yet when they try to integrate, people move out, its confusing dont you think.
And when you do move out, it would make sense if you moved to Mill Hill or shads, afterall we still want to remain in our beloved Blackburn dont we? or do we?
It clearly seems people have just got bored of blackburn as a whole, and just to make themselves feel better, they slap the blame on the asians.
What a laughing stock. They showed you how to work, how to make proper meals, how to organise, how to run council affairs, but they forgot to teach you manners or logic.

Your post is extremely insulting to the vast majority of respectable, hard-working and house-proud residents of Blackburn and merely serves to underline your own educational shortcomings and intolerance towards other cultures.

In terms of 60 years ago the sky being black in Blackburn 60 with smoke, I think you will find that it was pretty much like that in all UK towns and cities 60 years ago as the majority of homes, factories and businesses were still reliant on solid fuel (coal) for heating. This type of fuel creates visible airborne particles known as smoke and was commonplace in all industrialised settlements 60 years ago.

To suggest that the locals were backwards because 60 years ago they had not heard of spices or chillies is cretinous in the extreme. 60 years ago the whole of Western Europe was just starting to recover from the greatest conflict our planet has ever experienced and quite frankly I would suggest that merely feeding one's own family was a challenge, chillies and spices would have been the last thing on peoples minds. BTW world war 2 was fought and won by the allies so that morons like you could rely on justice, freedom of speech and expression and be free from persecution and dictatorship. When I think of the millions of good men who gave their lives to achieve that, and then think of you and your intolerant attitude, my stomach turns.

Whilst acknowledging that there have been great improvements in living standards in the last 60 years, these have been universal and not the result of the actions of one community or another. I would go further and say that these have happened in spite of people with attitudes similar to yours, not because of them.

There is no need for me to add any further throw away insults as you felt compelled to do, your untrue, deranged, deluded and child-like rantings above are sufficient evidence for all to see of your extremely limited intelligence.
Amen.

The Russian and the Asian front were decisive to the outcome of the war and you're in no position to comment as your knowledge to the military contributions to the war is rated absolute zero, and I found your posts and comments very, very insulting on the other news article and requested the LT to take appropriate action as I felt I was being targeted.. Not that I am afraid or frightened and they acknowledged and supported my view that I was in the position not to declare my identity and that your means was purely of offensive nature.

Sen

Just in case anyone reads your post and is left with the impression that I have been very very insulting to you I feel it is appropriate to state some of the facts here because by your action in having that thread removed you have taken away the ability of anyone to review the posts and make their own minds up about whether I had insulted you.

To summarise, I raised a couple of questions regarding your military service in world war 2, your service in the Dogra Regiment being used by you within a post earlier in the thread to emphasise the argument you were making. I subsequently asked you a few questions regarding your service and in the initial response you asserted that you were happy to answer any questions on the subject. Your answers to the questions I initially raised did not in my opinion provide a clear timeline nor did they correspond to my understanding of the geographical deployment of allied and axis troops from within a number of countries during world war 2. Upon requesting further clarification you made certain references to Japanese soldiers and I asked you whether you thought that was an appropriate way to refer to Japanese people, pointing out that a similar abbreviation when used to describe people from Pakistan could be construed as racist. From memory you went on to say that people call you a **** all the time and that you didn't mind it. I questioned why you would not mind being called a **** and you said that a mechanic with the initials M.S. had once told you that people round here use the word **** to refer to asians. (I can clarify that I do not, I find the term offensive).

During all my exchanges with you I may have asked you some searching questions that made you feel uncomfortable in an attempt to fully understand certain aspects of your military service. I might also have taken exception politely to arguments that you have put forward that I did not agree with but at no time have I said anything of an offensive nature, I don't need to stoop to those depths. I do however recall a recent exchange of viewpoints when you told me to go back to my dump where the Luftwaffe were circling. When requesting clarification as to significance of the Luftwaffe in a thread about house prices in Blackburn, the response was that you wished the Luftwaffe had smashed me to bits.

There, hope that clarifies things before you ask the LT to take this down.

Rimbus wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Rimbus wrote:

mo911 wrote:

jellybiff wrote: Something that is often quoted by asian muslim posters is that they can't understand why white people move out when they move in. I can answer that easy .The smells on the street are disgusting; they do effect house prices .My mums house stinks all the time of cooking smells and when she asked next doors about it they just laughed .So she asked the council and they just laughed at her.The staniwomen all around the area don't work Stani women just stay at home having kids and claiming benefits. All around they just throw used furniture and garbage out on to the street and expect it to be picked up;once out of their house it's nothing to do with them etc.We have to ring the council to get it removed and when we told them who did it as it was fly-tipping they laughed and said they cant do anything because they've been told not to by the hierachy .The area is now swarming with little Britishtanis because each house seems to have 4 /5 kids in it. They swarm all over the streets until the late hours even on schooldays and these are kids 8/9/10.When my mum asked them to keep the noise down at 1.30 on a Thursday night they just said it's kids playing.Give me an estate full of druggies and social scroungers anytime

It seems like asians are bieng blamed for anything and everything that seems to be going wrong within the local indigenous population. When our grandfathers discovered this town around 60 years ago it was dull and boring, they say the sky was always covered in black smoke. The locals were so backwards they hadnt even heard of spices or chillies, crucial for a good meal. The discovery was made 60 years ago, and during that time major improvements have taken place, they had to take control to enable this to happen, they started to work long shifts, grafting day in day out, the factories started to pick up. Then over the years the indigenous people would start to complain that these people who have discovered us, dont integrate. So they started to buy houses in these araes to enable integration to take place, but this didnt work well, the indigenous started to move out, this left the newcomers confused, on the one hand the integration drum beat was sounding loud and clear, and on the other, they would move out of the area when attempts on integration were made. I mean surely the first and best steps towards integration is to move into the area. It is quite an amusing experience, integration, no integration, integration, no integration, come on guys make your minds up. Do you want to integrate or not, the grounds on which the asians are constantly being bombarded at for allsorts of issues, is integration, and yet when they try to integrate, people move out, its confusing dont you think. And when you do move out, it would make sense if you moved to Mill Hill or shads, afterall we still want to remain in our beloved Blackburn dont we? or do we? It clearly seems people have just got bored of blackburn as a whole, and just to make themselves feel better, they slap the blame on the asians. What a laughing stock. They showed you how to work, how to make proper meals, how to organise, how to run council affairs, but they forgot to teach you manners or logic.

Your post is extremely insulting to the vast majority of respectable, hard-working and house-proud residents of Blackburn and merely serves to underline your own educational shortcomings and intolerance towards other cultures. In terms of 60 years ago the sky being black in Blackburn 60 with smoke, I think you will find that it was pretty much like that in all UK towns and cities 60 years ago as the majority of homes, factories and businesses were still reliant on solid fuel (coal) for heating. This type of fuel creates visible airborne particles known as smoke and was commonplace in all industrialised settlements 60 years ago. To suggest that the locals were backwards because 60 years ago they had not heard of spices or chillies is cretinous in the extreme. 60 years ago the whole of Western Europe was just starting to recover from the greatest conflict our planet has ever experienced and quite frankly I would suggest that merely feeding one's own family was a challenge, chillies and spices would have been the last thing on peoples minds. BTW world war 2 was fought and won by the allies so that morons like you could rely on justice, freedom of speech and expression and be free from persecution and dictatorship. When I think of the millions of good men who gave their lives to achieve that, and then think of you and your intolerant attitude, my stomach turns. Whilst acknowledging that there have been great improvements in living standards in the last 60 years, these have been universal and not the result of the actions of one community or another. I would go further and say that these have happened in spite of people with attitudes similar to yours, not because of them. There is no need for me to add any further throw away insults as you felt compelled to do, your untrue, deranged, deluded and child-like rantings above are sufficient evidence for all to see of your extremely limited intelligence. Amen.

The Russian and the Asian front were decisive to the outcome of the war and you're in no position to comment as your knowledge to the military contributions to the war is rated absolute zero, and I found your posts and comments very, very insulting on the other news article and requested the LT to take appropriate action as I felt I was being targeted.. Not that I am afraid or frightened and they acknowledged and supported my view that I was in the position not to declare my identity and that your means was purely of offensive nature. Sen

Nonsens ibble Are you stalking me?

Freedom of speech, it seems, goes down well when you are stretching its legs, yet when an asian takes it out just for a walk you spit your dummy out and bounce up and down.
The whole point of freedom of speech is so everyone can take place in it, not just a select few. The places where it doesnt exist, its the same throughout the country, and no one speaks bad about others, but here in the UK it does, so everyone gets a piece of the cake. Afterall that is the point isnt it.
On many an occasion have i heard people making ambiguous remarks towards the asian community, and when questioned on it, they hide under the umbrella of freedom of speech. Its a bit like giving a 2 year old a blank piece of paper and a crayon, he cant read or write, he cant hold the crayon properly, all he can see is hes got the means of doing something, he doesnt know what hes doing so he scribbles whatever he can, why? just because he has the tools. Therefore, we know you have freedom of speech, we know you can rant at will wherever and whenever the need arises, but be aware, that although mummy and daddy will be happy with you, other kids will have a good laugh, and they will tell you off about your scribbles, they may even try and teach you a thing or two, but you obviously wont learn until your grown up.