Residents of Blackburn estate outraged by portrayal in BBC documentary

Blackburn Citizen: Shocked Shadsworth residents Mary Anderson and Alison Critchley Shocked Shadsworth residents Mary Anderson and Alison Critchley

A TV documentary which portrays a Blackburn estate as crime and problem-ridden has been branded outrageous and scandalous by residents.

The BBC TV Panorama film ‘Trouble on the Estate’ was filmed over four months in Shadsworth.

But one horrified coun-cillor said he feared the programme looked more like an episode of Shameless than a true depiction of the estate.

The documentary shows the estate to be riddled with:

  • Street corner drug dealers
  • Broken families needing help
  • Drunks
  • Teenage yobs destined prison
  • Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents
  • Hard-pressed police struggling to cope
  • Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys

Just a few positives are mentioned in the course of the documentary.

The area was chosen as it is one of the most deprived in the country. However nearby Mill Hill and Wensleyfold, and Trinity in Burnley, were ranked even lower in the tables.

Mary Anderson and Alison Critchley, from the Shadsworth Tenants’ and Residents’ Association, said they were ‘outraged’ the documentary had concentrated on problems involving the estate.

Secretary Mrs Anderson said: “The film makers asked me for help. I was concerned but they promised they would highlight the positives and give a fair picture. When I saw the title I felt I had been misled and the estate was being misrepresented.”

“There are lots of good things in Shadsworth, investment and many good people. We run many clubs and events at the community centre - jobs clubs, breakfast clubs for older people, support for those with mental, drug and alcohol problems.”

Mrs Critchley said: “We are deprived but our crime rate has fallen for three years running. If it shows us as bad people, locals start to believe it and we lose jobs and investment. They have scandalised our home.”

Coun Jim Shorrock said the documentary could set back efforts to revive the community by decades.

He said: “As someone who has lived in Shadsworth for the past fourteen years, I am horrified. They chose Shadsworth as an easy target.

“Constituents tell me of young lads being asked to pull their hoods up ‘for effect’, and working people, including a nurse, being edited out simply because they work. I despair if this is true.

“I sincerely hope this doesn't look like an episode of Shameless, because it could set my ward back twenty years.

“It could lead to lower house prices, derail investment, lower morale, and potentially turn it in to a sink estate, undoing all the investment and hard work of the community, Twin Valley Homes, essential services, and the police.”

Council leader Kate Hollern said she was extremely concerned about the contents of the programme.

She said: “I fear local people have been misled and the estate misrepresented.”

And MP Jack Straw said: “Shadsworth is improving and I have visited far, far worse estates elsewhere in the country.”

A BBC spokesman said: "Panorama spent four months filming with families who shared their views about life on the estate. According to the 2010 Indices of Deprivation, Shadsworth is one of the most deprived places in the country.

"We were clear our intention was to show a true picture of life on the estate and while the programme shows the difficulties that some of the residents face, we believe it is a fair portrayal. We encourage people to watch the programme before making judgement.”

“In response to Councillor Jim Shorrock’s comments, it is categorically untrue that the programme team sought to influence the behaviour of anyone they filmed and certainly didn’t ask them to put up hoods, as is evident from the youngsters featured in the film.

"We didn’t edit out anybody on the basis that they worked – indeed working people are featured in the film – and we never interviewed anyone who identified themselves to us as a nurse.”

'Street drug dealing is not rife'

IT’S not quite an episode of Shameless, but it’s not far off.

Unlike the Chatsworth Estate, there is no humour in a grim picture of unrelenting doom and gloom portrayed in the lives of the people of Shadsworth.

The Panorama documentary ‘Trouble on the Estate’ concentrates on why people want to leave, with little mention of efforts to make the estate pleasanter to live in.

Shadsworth was chosen because it came 17th worst out of 32,783 wards in the government’s indices of deprivation in 2010, based on statistics for homelessness, crime, cold homes, street-dwellers, benefit claimants, and disabled residents.

Watching a preview of the film, the only question is why didn’t it come top.

The programme’s trailer states: “Drugs, anti-social behaviour, family break-ups and joblessness: all part of life on Britain’s poorest housing estates. Filming with families, kids and police, as well as undercover with drug dealers, Panorama spent months on one estate in Blackburn finding out what it’s like to live and grow up there.

“There’s eight-year-old Oshi who is desperate to see his dad after a two-year absence.

“Jordan, who at only 15, is threatening to leave his family because of the trouble, and 20-year-old Jessie, whose behaviour frightens other residents and keeps landing him in prison. Is this really a picture of ‘Broken Britain’ – a place at the edge of where the state can make a difference?”

On the plus side, presenter Richard Bilton does mention the local people saved their swimming pool, that Fernhurst School for children excluded from mainstream education did some valuable work, and that local schools are “good”.

Everything is summed up by one single mother at the end of the film, saying: “I’m stuck here. I’ve got nothing to look forward to.” One young boy tells the camera that children on the estate are “being brought up between drugs and hate”.

Blackburn police Chief Superintendent Bob Eastwood tells the team that street corner drug dealing is not rife, and the cameras then cut straight to youths selling ‘bubble’ for a tenner a bag, and ‘whizz” (amphetamines) for a fiver.

The only couple with someone in work have £2-a-week left after bills, and look at holiday brochures, instead of taking a much-needed break.

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1:19pm Tue 11 Sep 12

elmo maniac says...

'The programme’s trailer states: “Drugs, anti-social behaviour, family break-ups and joblessness: all part of life on Britain’s poorest housing estates. Filming with families, kids and police, as well as undercover with drug dealers, Panorama spent months on one estate in Blackburn finding out what it’s like to live and grow up there.'

the goverment isnt helping this at all by all the cut backs and making it better off being on benefits, its not the estate fault, the goverment need a big boot up their behind....!!!! also 90% of shad isnt like this at all?
'The programme’s trailer states: “Drugs, anti-social behaviour, family break-ups and joblessness: all part of life on Britain’s poorest housing estates. Filming with families, kids and police, as well as undercover with drug dealers, Panorama spent months on one estate in Blackburn finding out what it’s like to live and grow up there.' the goverment isnt helping this at all by all the cut backs and making it better off being on benefits, its not the estate fault, the goverment need a big boot up their behind....!!!! also 90% of shad isnt like this at all? elmo maniac

1:30pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Keith Myath says...

Just another day in Paradise.
Just another day in Paradise. Keith Myath

1:35pm Tue 11 Sep 12

GIBUCK says...

Thank god, I love fact based programmes .....


Street corner drug dealers
Broken families needing help
Drunks
Teenage yobs destined prison
Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents
Hard-pressed police struggling to cope
Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys
.........THAT IS FACT ................
Thank god, I love fact based programmes ..... Street corner drug dealers Broken families needing help Drunks Teenage yobs destined prison Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents Hard-pressed police struggling to cope Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys .........THAT IS FACT ................ GIBUCK

1:40pm Tue 11 Sep 12

alf-abett says...

Surprise, surprise! Residents again not seeing what's in front of them, this is one of the reasons why estates such as Shad go rapidly downhill. Look out of your windows and report what you see and don't expect the authorities to have extra sensory perception in tackling the problems.

The way you describe your midden I would have thought that by setting up no go areas for the scum (all areas have them) you would then start to curtail the behaviour of the this minority who always spoil it for the rest of us.

Litter! we all know it's a on going issue yet years ago residents took pride in their own little area outside their front doors and cleaned up fully knowing that within minuets more may appear but they continued to do it along with most of the neighbours leaving streets not spotless but certainly tidy and bright.

If unemployment is the real issue why don't they get off their lazy bums and take a brush and shovel outside and clean the place up after all the tax payers pay for them to manage on a daily basis to an extent so how about "payback time" clean up and put some PRIDE back into the community.
Surprise, surprise! Residents again not seeing what's in front of them, this is one of the reasons why estates such as Shad go rapidly downhill. Look out of your windows and report what you see and don't expect the authorities to have extra sensory perception in tackling the problems. The way you describe your midden I would have thought that by setting up no go areas for the scum (all areas have them) you would then start to curtail the behaviour of the this minority who always spoil it for the rest of us. Litter! we all know it's a on going issue yet years ago residents took pride in their own little area outside their front doors and cleaned up fully knowing that within minuets more may appear but they continued to do it along with most of the neighbours leaving streets not spotless but certainly tidy and bright. If unemployment is the real issue why don't they get off their lazy bums and take a brush and shovel outside and clean the place up after all the tax payers pay for them to manage on a daily basis to an extent so how about "payback time" clean up and put some PRIDE back into the community. alf-abett

1:57pm Tue 11 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

Some easy rules to bring perfection:

1) No work no food
2) No prisons, all criminals recycled
3) All parents to be married
4) All people to support the club where they live
5) Bring back the Rovers return
Some easy rules to bring perfection: 1) No work no food 2) No prisons, all criminals recycled 3) All parents to be married 4) All people to support the club where they live 5) Bring back the Rovers return makaveli96

2:22pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Luke_Skywalker says...

Even the cats and dogs go around in pairs around that estate.
Even the cats and dogs go around in pairs around that estate. Luke_Skywalker

2:36pm Tue 11 Sep 12

ladybugshorticulture says...

alf-abett wrote:
Surprise, surprise! Residents again not seeing what's in front of them, this is one of the reasons why estates such as Shad go rapidly downhill. Look out of your windows and report what you see and don't expect the authorities to have extra sensory perception in tackling the problems.

The way you describe your midden I would have thought that by setting up no go areas for the scum (all areas have them) you would then start to curtail the behaviour of the this minority who always spoil it for the rest of us.

Litter! we all know it's a on going issue yet years ago residents took pride in their own little area outside their front doors and cleaned up fully knowing that within minuets more may appear but they continued to do it along with most of the neighbours leaving streets not spotless but certainly tidy and bright.

If unemployment is the real issue why don't they get off their lazy bums and take a brush and shovel outside and clean the place up after all the tax payers pay for them to manage on a daily basis to an extent so how about "payback time" clean up and put some PRIDE back into the community.
Can I ask you to take a look at this link in response to your comments?
http://www.ladybugsh
orticulture.co.uk/la
dybugs-offsite-cic-h
elped-on-shadsworth-
estate-clean-up/

this was not a one off but happens quarterly.
[quote][p][bold]alf-abett[/bold] wrote: Surprise, surprise! Residents again not seeing what's in front of them, this is one of the reasons why estates such as Shad go rapidly downhill. Look out of your windows and report what you see and don't expect the authorities to have extra sensory perception in tackling the problems. The way you describe your midden I would have thought that by setting up no go areas for the scum (all areas have them) you would then start to curtail the behaviour of the this minority who always spoil it for the rest of us. Litter! we all know it's a on going issue yet years ago residents took pride in their own little area outside their front doors and cleaned up fully knowing that within minuets more may appear but they continued to do it along with most of the neighbours leaving streets not spotless but certainly tidy and bright. If unemployment is the real issue why don't they get off their lazy bums and take a brush and shovel outside and clean the place up after all the tax payers pay for them to manage on a daily basis to an extent so how about "payback time" clean up and put some PRIDE back into the community.[/p][/quote]Can I ask you to take a look at this link in response to your comments? http://www.ladybugsh orticulture.co.uk/la dybugs-offsite-cic-h elped-on-shadsworth- estate-clean-up/ this was not a one off but happens quarterly. ladybugshorticulture

2:44pm Tue 11 Sep 12

RUinsane says...

Find them all a job and you would have peace and harmony. The answer is shut the borders, stop importing slave labour and give everyone a job.
Sorted.
Find them all a job and you would have peace and harmony. The answer is shut the borders, stop importing slave labour and give everyone a job. Sorted. RUinsane

2:52pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Black Car Guy. says...

ladybugshorticulture wrote:
alf-abett wrote:
Surprise, surprise! Residents again not seeing what's in front of them, this is one of the reasons why estates such as Shad go rapidly downhill. Look out of your windows and report what you see and don't expect the authorities to have extra sensory perception in tackling the problems.

The way you describe your midden I would have thought that by setting up no go areas for the scum (all areas have them) you would then start to curtail the behaviour of the this minority who always spoil it for the rest of us.

Litter! we all know it's a on going issue yet years ago residents took pride in their own little area outside their front doors and cleaned up fully knowing that within minuets more may appear but they continued to do it along with most of the neighbours leaving streets not spotless but certainly tidy and bright.

If unemployment is the real issue why don't they get off their lazy bums and take a brush and shovel outside and clean the place up after all the tax payers pay for them to manage on a daily basis to an extent so how about "payback time" clean up and put some PRIDE back into the community.
Can I ask you to take a look at this link in response to your comments?
http://www.ladybugsh

orticulture.co.uk/la

dybugs-offsite-cic-h

elped-on-shadsworth-

estate-clean-up/

this was not a one off but happens quarterly.
I think Alf is saying if every resident looks after the piece of land between their front door and kerbside. The estate will be a lot cleaner and easier to maintain. I am talking about every area, not just Shadsworth. I know a lot of people will bang on and say we pay our taxes so why don,t the council do it. A lot of people dont work and don,t pay taxes. Also they don,t care about their areas. Well done to those who actually care and want to clean the area up. Where i live me and my neighours do this and it is a nice cleaner area.
[quote][p][bold]ladybugshorticulture[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alf-abett[/bold] wrote: Surprise, surprise! Residents again not seeing what's in front of them, this is one of the reasons why estates such as Shad go rapidly downhill. Look out of your windows and report what you see and don't expect the authorities to have extra sensory perception in tackling the problems. The way you describe your midden I would have thought that by setting up no go areas for the scum (all areas have them) you would then start to curtail the behaviour of the this minority who always spoil it for the rest of us. Litter! we all know it's a on going issue yet years ago residents took pride in their own little area outside their front doors and cleaned up fully knowing that within minuets more may appear but they continued to do it along with most of the neighbours leaving streets not spotless but certainly tidy and bright. If unemployment is the real issue why don't they get off their lazy bums and take a brush and shovel outside and clean the place up after all the tax payers pay for them to manage on a daily basis to an extent so how about "payback time" clean up and put some PRIDE back into the community.[/p][/quote]Can I ask you to take a look at this link in response to your comments? http://www.ladybugsh orticulture.co.uk/la dybugs-offsite-cic-h elped-on-shadsworth- estate-clean-up/ this was not a one off but happens quarterly.[/p][/quote]I think Alf is saying if every resident looks after the piece of land between their front door and kerbside. The estate will be a lot cleaner and easier to maintain. I am talking about every area, not just Shadsworth. I know a lot of people will bang on and say we pay our taxes so why don,t the council do it. A lot of people dont work and don,t pay taxes. Also they don,t care about their areas. Well done to those who actually care and want to clean the area up. Where i live me and my neighours do this and it is a nice cleaner area. Black Car Guy.

2:57pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Moonman says...

Isn't this just a typically ill-informed response to negative media? I would actually look at what the programme is saying i.e. low-income estates like Shad are full of lawlessness, drug-dealing, broken homes etc and then ask what the causes of these problems are i.e. poor education, poor housing etc and use it as an opportunity to turn it around on politicians to say what are you going to do to help us? I'm sure there are genuinely honest hard-working people live in Shad and it's a shame that they are being tarred with the same brush. But to say these problems do not exist on Shad are just ridiculous.
Isn't this just a typically ill-informed response to negative media? I would actually look at what the programme is saying i.e. low-income estates like Shad are full of lawlessness, drug-dealing, broken homes etc and then ask what the causes of these problems are i.e. poor education, poor housing etc and use it as an opportunity to turn it around on politicians to say what are you going to do to help us? I'm sure there are genuinely honest hard-working people live in Shad and it's a shame that they are being tarred with the same brush. But to say these problems do not exist on Shad are just ridiculous. Moonman

3:00pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Fire Fly says...

That is exactly what it's like!

Just because someone claims benefits it doesn't then give them the right to behave like scum. Scumbags drag their kids up, don't discipline them or be an example to them & don't bother with work because we all pay for them. A large percentage of them live in Shadsworth.

The Government can't fix attitudes like that but they could do us all a favour & simply stop paying them so they can breed at an alarming rate & therefore continuing the cycle.
That is exactly what it's like! Just because someone claims benefits it doesn't then give them the right to behave like scum. Scumbags drag their kids up, don't discipline them or be an example to them & don't bother with work because we all pay for them. A large percentage of them live in Shadsworth. The Government can't fix attitudes like that but they could do us all a favour & simply stop paying them so they can breed at an alarming rate & therefore continuing the cycle. Fire Fly

3:14pm Tue 11 Sep 12

ROBERTSLUMDWELLER123 says...

IT WAS A SINK 40 YEARS AGO AND ITS STILL A SINK,,JUST LIKE STOOPS ESTATE IN BURNLEY,THEY JUST KEEP THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD AT THE PLACE,BUT NOTHING CHANGES,FLATTEN THE PLACE THEN VET THE NEW RESIDENTS...
IT WAS A SINK 40 YEARS AGO AND ITS STILL A SINK,,JUST LIKE STOOPS ESTATE IN BURNLEY,THEY JUST KEEP THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD AT THE PLACE,BUT NOTHING CHANGES,FLATTEN THE PLACE THEN VET THE NEW RESIDENTS... ROBERTSLUMDWELLER123

3:28pm Tue 11 Sep 12

ghost of sceptic says...

Ah the wonderfull shad estate, i had the misfortune to live in knuzden some years ago, to close for comfort springs to mind! Funny where i live now there are many good things on my estate but not the need for job clubs, breakfast clubs a community centre, or the need to address drug and alcohol problems.
Sometimes in life you reap whay you sow.
Ah the wonderfull shad estate, i had the misfortune to live in knuzden some years ago, to close for comfort springs to mind! Funny where i live now there are many good things on my estate but not the need for job clubs, breakfast clubs a community centre, or the need to address drug and alcohol problems. Sometimes in life you reap whay you sow. ghost of sceptic

3:29pm Tue 11 Sep 12

roversjeff says...

Typical BBC - Full of Lies!!!
Typical BBC - Full of Lies!!! roversjeff

3:42pm Tue 11 Sep 12

wtloild says...

elmo maniac wrote:
'The programme’s trailer states: “Drugs, anti-social behaviour, family break-ups and joblessness: all part of life on Britain’s poorest housing estates. Filming with families, kids and police, as well as undercover with drug dealers, Panorama spent months on one estate in Blackburn finding out what it’s like to live and grow up there.'

the goverment isnt helping this at all by all the cut backs and making it better off being on benefits, its not the estate fault, the goverment need a big boot up their behind....!!!! also 90% of shad isnt like this at all?
Shad has always been a dump, before the cuts, before, Blair, Thatcher and anyone else. Much as we'd all like to, we can't pin this on them.
The reason Shad is such an armpit of a neighbourhood is because it's full of in-breds with a false sense of entitlement.
It's these sorts of selfish degenerates who've completely undermined the welfare safety-net for the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]elmo maniac[/bold] wrote: 'The programme’s trailer states: “Drugs, anti-social behaviour, family break-ups and joblessness: all part of life on Britain’s poorest housing estates. Filming with families, kids and police, as well as undercover with drug dealers, Panorama spent months on one estate in Blackburn finding out what it’s like to live and grow up there.' the goverment isnt helping this at all by all the cut backs and making it better off being on benefits, its not the estate fault, the goverment need a big boot up their behind....!!!! also 90% of shad isnt like this at all?[/p][/quote]Shad has always been a dump, before the cuts, before, Blair, Thatcher and anyone else. Much as we'd all like to, we can't pin this on them. The reason Shad is such an armpit of a neighbourhood is because it's full of in-breds with a false sense of entitlement. It's these sorts of selfish degenerates who've completely undermined the welfare safety-net for the rest of us. wtloild

3:45pm Tue 11 Sep 12

s_smith says...

I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?
I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right? s_smith

3:51pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Frisson says...

alf-abett wrote:
Surprise, surprise! Residents again not seeing what's in front of them, this is one of the reasons why estates such as Shad go rapidly downhill. Look out of your windows and report what you see and don't expect the authorities to have extra sensory perception in tackling the problems.

The way you describe your midden I would have thought that by setting up no go areas for the scum (all areas have them) you would then start to curtail the behaviour of the this minority who always spoil it for the rest of us.

Litter! we all know it's a on going issue yet years ago residents took pride in their own little area outside their front doors and cleaned up fully knowing that within minuets more may appear but they continued to do it along with most of the neighbours leaving streets not spotless but certainly tidy and bright.

If unemployment is the real issue why don't they get off their lazy bums and take a brush and shovel outside and clean the place up after all the tax payers pay for them to manage on a daily basis to an extent so how about "payback time" clean up and put some PRIDE back into the community.
BANG ON THAT MATE. They should be made to work for their rock n role money. Normal people work, if parents disciplined their children better then they would get better grades and then be able to go onto higher education and then get a decent job. Not be a dosser like the generations that have lived on there
[quote][p][bold]alf-abett[/bold] wrote: Surprise, surprise! Residents again not seeing what's in front of them, this is one of the reasons why estates such as Shad go rapidly downhill. Look out of your windows and report what you see and don't expect the authorities to have extra sensory perception in tackling the problems. The way you describe your midden I would have thought that by setting up no go areas for the scum (all areas have them) you would then start to curtail the behaviour of the this minority who always spoil it for the rest of us. Litter! we all know it's a on going issue yet years ago residents took pride in their own little area outside their front doors and cleaned up fully knowing that within minuets more may appear but they continued to do it along with most of the neighbours leaving streets not spotless but certainly tidy and bright. If unemployment is the real issue why don't they get off their lazy bums and take a brush and shovel outside and clean the place up after all the tax payers pay for them to manage on a daily basis to an extent so how about "payback time" clean up and put some PRIDE back into the community.[/p][/quote]BANG ON THAT MATE. They should be made to work for their rock n role money. Normal people work, if parents disciplined their children better then they would get better grades and then be able to go onto higher education and then get a decent job. Not be a dosser like the generations that have lived on there Frisson

4:10pm Tue 11 Sep 12

goldiebambino says...

I’ve lived on the Shadsworth estate and have to say most of the streets have decent tenants but there are in my opinion No-go areas. The no-go areas are infected with jobless immoral parents who don’t give a dam what their kids get up to as long as they do it elsewhere. The problem is not the lack of jobs because most of these people (and I’m generally aiming this comment at the teenagers) don’t want to work or go to college.
NEWSFLASH: We taxpayers owe you nothing. I didn’t have much to do as a teenager and I never felt the need to break the law. My children grew up on the Shadsworth estate and now after going to college, hold down very good jobs and guess what, they never got into trouble either!! Teenagers, Get a job and you won’t be bored!!
The one thing the government could do is to stop giving more benefits to people who have more babies while already claiming benefits!!! IF YOU’RE ON BENEFITS YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO HAVE MORE KIDS!!!
I’ve lived on the Shadsworth estate and have to say most of the streets have decent tenants but there are in my opinion No-go areas. The no-go areas are infected with jobless immoral parents who don’t give a dam what their kids get up to as long as they do it elsewhere. The problem is not the lack of jobs because most of these people (and I’m generally aiming this comment at the teenagers) don’t want to work or go to college. NEWSFLASH: We taxpayers owe you nothing. I didn’t have much to do as a teenager and I never felt the need to break the law. My children grew up on the Shadsworth estate and now after going to college, hold down very good jobs and guess what, they never got into trouble either!! Teenagers, Get a job and you won’t be bored!! The one thing the government could do is to stop giving more benefits to people who have more babies while already claiming benefits!!! IF YOU’RE ON BENEFITS YOU CAN’T AFFORD TO HAVE MORE KIDS!!! goldiebambino

4:24pm Tue 11 Sep 12

jimpy0 says...

On any estate there will always be pockets of scum, at one time it was housing policy to put certain peoples onto certain estates. Shad, Birch-hall etc bore the brunt of this in the early 70's council house allocation and once an estate is "seeded" with certain types until the law changes and makes removal easier this situation will always raise its head as generations reach a certain age. Tho once removed from one estate they will be housed on another and that will get dragged down, as many are run by social landlords for the benefit of todays great unwashed. As stated law changes need to be made, if you do not wish to live reasonably within a community you should be forced out. or take outback and shot.
On any estate there will always be pockets of scum, at one time it was housing policy to put certain peoples onto certain estates. Shad, Birch-hall etc bore the brunt of this in the early 70's council house allocation and once an estate is "seeded" with certain types until the law changes and makes removal easier this situation will always raise its head as generations reach a certain age. Tho once removed from one estate they will be housed on another and that will get dragged down, as many are run by social landlords for the benefit of todays great unwashed. As stated law changes need to be made, if you do not wish to live reasonably within a community you should be forced out. or take outback and shot. jimpy0

4:34pm Tue 11 Sep 12

GIBUCK says...

Street corner drug dealers / shameless

Broken families needing help / Jeremey Kyle

Drunks / Shameless

Teenage yobs destined prison / Jeremey Kyle

Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents / Shameless

Hard-pressed police struggling to cope / Jeremey Kyle

Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys / Shameless

Great TV viewing
Street corner drug dealers / shameless Broken families needing help / Jeremey Kyle Drunks / Shameless Teenage yobs destined prison / Jeremey Kyle Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents / Shameless Hard-pressed police struggling to cope / Jeremey Kyle Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys / Shameless Great TV viewing GIBUCK

4:44pm Tue 11 Sep 12

ladybugshorticulture says...

There is a community led project at Shadsworth off Oban drive GREENSLEEVES. It is for the community, led by the community. If the community wanted this facility then why does the project not have more support from the residents?
Greensleeves is a new allotment growing project which is open to everyone of all ages. There are some teaching sessions for bitesize learning chunks to teach them how to garden and look after their own space. These are heavily attended by the young children but no adults.

There is a small shop where produce grown on the site is for sale, but unless there is more support for this 'project' which the estate wanted then it will be 'another waste of money' as someone else said.

SHADSWORTH ...... residents, if you all argue against this slander to yourselves then where are you? Why do you not stand up and make a difference, when offered help, funding and support do you not grab it with both hands and get out there and change where you live?
You might find its far more interesting than Jeremy Kyle !!!!

If you want to make the outside world change their opinion of you then educate the minority of you that are causing these problems.

I will probably be slated for writing this however, the truth hurts. The problems on the estate are real and only standing together and changing your ways will make the rest of the world listen that your not everything they say you are.

I say we invite the TV cameras back in 18 months and YOU all prove us wrong?????

Anyone interested in GREENSLEEVES please contact Ian McHugh on 07714999382 for more information and the gardening club is Tuesday 1-4pm, Childrens gardening club, over 8's is Thursday 3.30 - 5.
There is a community led project at Shadsworth off Oban drive GREENSLEEVES. It is for the community, led by the community. If the community wanted this facility then why does the project not have more support from the residents? Greensleeves is a new allotment growing project which is open to everyone of all ages. There are some teaching sessions for bitesize learning chunks to teach them how to garden and look after their own space. These are heavily attended by the young children but no adults. There is a small shop where produce grown on the site is for sale, but unless there is more support for this 'project' which the estate wanted then it will be 'another waste of money' as someone else said. SHADSWORTH ...... residents, if you all argue against this slander to yourselves then where are you? Why do you not stand up and make a difference, when offered help, funding and support do you not grab it with both hands and get out there and change where you live? You might find its far more interesting than Jeremy Kyle !!!! If you want to make the outside world change their opinion of you then educate the minority of you that are causing these problems. I will probably be slated for writing this however, the truth hurts. The problems on the estate are real and only standing together and changing your ways will make the rest of the world listen that your not everything they say you are. I say we invite the TV cameras back in 18 months and YOU all prove us wrong????? Anyone interested in GREENSLEEVES please contact Ian McHugh on 07714999382 for more information and the gardening club is Tuesday 1-4pm, Childrens gardening club, over 8's is Thursday 3.30 - 5. ladybugshorticulture

4:57pm Tue 11 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

s_smith wrote:
I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?
Who, the one with the tash?
[quote][p][bold]s_smith[/bold] wrote: I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?[/p][/quote]Who, the one with the tash? makaveli96

5:05pm Tue 11 Sep 12

makaveli96 says...

jimpy0 wrote:
On any estate there will always be pockets of scum, at one time it was housing policy to put certain peoples onto certain estates. Shad, Birch-hall etc bore the brunt of this in the early 70's council house allocation and once an estate is "seeded" with certain types until the law changes and makes removal easier this situation will always raise its head as generations reach a certain age. Tho once removed from one estate they will be housed on another and that will get dragged down, as many are run by social landlords for the benefit of todays great unwashed. As stated law changes need to be made, if you do not wish to live reasonably within a community you should be forced out. or take outback and shot.
Why dont they move such people to an island out of the way.

A bit like they did with Australia.
[quote][p][bold]jimpy0[/bold] wrote: On any estate there will always be pockets of scum, at one time it was housing policy to put certain peoples onto certain estates. Shad, Birch-hall etc bore the brunt of this in the early 70's council house allocation and once an estate is "seeded" with certain types until the law changes and makes removal easier this situation will always raise its head as generations reach a certain age. Tho once removed from one estate they will be housed on another and that will get dragged down, as many are run by social landlords for the benefit of todays great unwashed. As stated law changes need to be made, if you do not wish to live reasonably within a community you should be forced out. or take outback and shot.[/p][/quote]Why dont they move such people to an island out of the way. A bit like they did with Australia. makaveli96

5:07pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Black Car Guy. says...

I wonder if they will show Shadsworth House. It was an old folks home but now it is full of peados and odd balls. Maybe the drug dealers are selling to them in the house?
I wonder if they will show Shadsworth House. It was an old folks home but now it is full of peados and odd balls. Maybe the drug dealers are selling to them in the house? Black Car Guy.

5:10pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Chris P Bacon says...

The abolition of shame is a major contributor to the appalling state of estates like this one and hundreds of others. This area of Blackburn shouldn't be seen as some atypical example that the country should be amazed about. Literally every sizeable town and city in Britain contains crap like this. And while people go 'yes, but that town near to us but isn't us is worse than our town' or the constant attempts at point-scoring by one town over another will maintain the status quo.

If there's a welfare system, people with no morals will exploit it and have no shame in doing so. They don't have the decency to ask what they can do for themselves or their families but instead ask what the country will do for them. They won't try and better themselves by education or hard work but want to remain on the bottom rung of the ladder of achievement and not be bothered to be doing so.

The country is FAR too soft and soppy when it comes to trash like this. The welfare state should close the till on such garbage and force them to sort themselves out without whinging and whining and clamouring for handouts.
The abolition of shame is a major contributor to the appalling state of estates like this one and hundreds of others. This area of Blackburn shouldn't be seen as some atypical example that the country should be amazed about. Literally every sizeable town and city in Britain contains crap like this. And while people go 'yes, but that town near to us but isn't us is worse than our town' or the constant attempts at point-scoring by one town over another will maintain the status quo. If there's a welfare system, people with no morals will exploit it and have no shame in doing so. They don't have the decency to ask what they can do for themselves or their families but instead ask what the country will do for them. They won't try and better themselves by education or hard work but want to remain on the bottom rung of the ladder of achievement and not be bothered to be doing so. The country is FAR too soft and soppy when it comes to trash like this. The welfare state should close the till on such garbage and force them to sort themselves out without whinging and whining and clamouring for handouts. Chris P Bacon

5:45pm Tue 11 Sep 12

DEO VOLENTE says...

As we all know Shadsworth Estate is nowhere near the worst estate in the U.K. I can tell you from personal experience that there are far worse areas and far worse estates in Preston, Manchester, Nottingham, Birmingham, Liverpool, London and many other U.K. cities. Yes Shadsworth has its share of people who claim benefits, commit crime and dont want to contribute to society. On the other hand Shadsworth also has decent, honest educated, working people whose children dont get involved in criminality. Some of the comments posted thus far seem to be "tarring everyone with the same brush" which is unfair.The question that should be asked is why did the BPC choose to come to Blackburn? This programme is about "Deflection and Diversion" in short "Smoke and Mirrors". As we all know there are serious crimes being committed in Blackburn concerning the "grooming" of young White girls. These serious crimes have given certain "communities" a very bad press. There are also serious problems with drug dealing and the supply of class A drugs in Blackburn which have also given certain "communities" a very bad press. If you add to those issues Terrorism, White flight and the fact the town is "divided" by race, religion and colour the decision by the BBC to concentrate on an exclusively White estate in Blackburn with a bit of low level drug dealing, litter and ASB is highly questionable. Surely with all the serious criminality that exists in this "Northern ill Town" the BPC could have investigated some of the more pressing issues facing the town. Or would that give the game away completely? Easier to stick to portraying White working class people as criminals and scum, much easier. Shameless? the only shame evident here lies with the BPC, who in my honestly held opinion are too cowardly to address real crime and the real criminals.We deserve better we really do.

Deus Vobiscum
As we all know Shadsworth Estate is nowhere near the worst estate in the U.K. I can tell you from personal experience that there are far worse areas and far worse estates in Preston, Manchester, Nottingham, Birmingham, Liverpool, London and many other U.K. cities. Yes Shadsworth has its share of people who claim benefits, commit crime and dont want to contribute to society. On the other hand Shadsworth also has decent, honest educated, working people whose children dont get involved in criminality. Some of the comments posted thus far seem to be "tarring everyone with the same brush" which is unfair.The question that should be asked is why did the BPC choose to come to Blackburn? This programme is about "Deflection and Diversion" in short "Smoke and Mirrors". As we all know there are serious crimes being committed in Blackburn concerning the "grooming" of young White girls. These serious crimes have given certain "communities" a very bad press. There are also serious problems with drug dealing and the supply of class A drugs in Blackburn which have also given certain "communities" a very bad press. If you add to those issues Terrorism, White flight and the fact the town is "divided" by race, religion and colour the decision by the BBC to concentrate on an exclusively White estate in Blackburn with a bit of low level drug dealing, litter and ASB is highly questionable. Surely with all the serious criminality that exists in this "Northern ill Town" the BPC could have investigated some of the more pressing issues facing the town. Or would that give the game away completely? Easier to stick to portraying White working class people as criminals and scum, much easier. Shameless? the only shame evident here lies with the BPC, who in my honestly held opinion are too cowardly to address real crime and the real criminals.We deserve better we really do. Deus Vobiscum DEO VOLENTE

5:55pm Tue 11 Sep 12

turd moor says...

most of shadsworth have/will probally been on jeremy kyle at some point in their lives
this just some's it up diffrently
most of shadsworth have/will probally been on jeremy kyle at some point in their lives this just some's it up diffrently turd moor

6:29pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Marky mark says...

I work on housing estates throughout Lancashire and I have to say that they are all pretty much the same, some better parts and some not so good. I find that the outer part of an estate seem better than the inner for whatever reason and that seems the case with shad.

What I find is that some resident are willing to get of their backside as mentioned in the above posts, but they are a very small minority. The others can't be bothered to clean themselves let alone a house or garden.But these type are always quick to slag off somebody else for their troubles, and have to laugh when they sit there watching jezza smoking drinking while house is falling to bit's and the grass is covered with mattresses and overgrown bushes. The usual excuse is " sorry about mess not had time, you know what it's like when you have kids" laugh I do!!
I work on housing estates throughout Lancashire and I have to say that they are all pretty much the same, some better parts and some not so good. I find that the outer part of an estate seem better than the inner for whatever reason and that seems the case with shad. What I find is that some resident are willing to get of their backside as mentioned in the above posts, but they are a very small minority. The others can't be bothered to clean themselves let alone a house or garden.But these type are always quick to slag off somebody else for their troubles, and have to laugh when they sit there watching jezza smoking drinking while house is falling to bit's and the grass is covered with mattresses and overgrown bushes. The usual excuse is " sorry about mess not had time, you know what it's like when you have kids" laugh I do!! Marky mark

6:40pm Tue 11 Sep 12

DanParker says...

ladybugshorticulture wrote:
There is a community led project at Shadsworth off Oban drive GREENSLEEVES. It is for the community, led by the community. If the community wanted this facility then why does the project not have more support from the residents?
Greensleeves is a new allotment growing project which is open to everyone of all ages. There are some teaching sessions for bitesize learning chunks to teach them how to garden and look after their own space. These are heavily attended by the young children but no adults.

There is a small shop where produce grown on the site is for sale, but unless there is more support for this 'project' which the estate wanted then it will be 'another waste of money' as someone else said.

SHADSWORTH ...... residents, if you all argue against this slander to yourselves then where are you? Why do you not stand up and make a difference, when offered help, funding and support do you not grab it with both hands and get out there and change where you live?
You might find its far more interesting than Jeremy Kyle !!!!

If you want to make the outside world change their opinion of you then educate the minority of you that are causing these problems.

I will probably be slated for writing this however, the truth hurts. The problems on the estate are real and only standing together and changing your ways will make the rest of the world listen that your not everything they say you are.

I say we invite the TV cameras back in 18 months and YOU all prove us wrong?????

Anyone interested in GREENSLEEVES please contact Ian McHugh onTuesday 1-4? Maybe people have to work, pick up children from school?

A gardening club? Why not funding for an interview guidance or how to write an appealing CV instead for the people who aren't in work?

So before mouthing off airing what are probably you're own interests ladybugsHORTICULTURE have a think about it.

I'm from Shadsworth, I work and I know it's no garden of roses but I couldn't care less about a gardening club. When I'm retired and when we have a bloody summer maybe. Possibly that's why no one attends your classes.
[quote][p][bold]ladybugshorticulture[/bold] wrote: There is a community led project at Shadsworth off Oban drive GREENSLEEVES. It is for the community, led by the community. If the community wanted this facility then why does the project not have more support from the residents? Greensleeves is a new allotment growing project which is open to everyone of all ages. There are some teaching sessions for bitesize learning chunks to teach them how to garden and look after their own space. These are heavily attended by the young children but no adults. There is a small shop where produce grown on the site is for sale, but unless there is more support for this 'project' which the estate wanted then it will be 'another waste of money' as someone else said. SHADSWORTH ...... residents, if you all argue against this slander to yourselves then where are you? Why do you not stand up and make a difference, when offered help, funding and support do you not grab it with both hands and get out there and change where you live? You might find its far more interesting than Jeremy Kyle !!!! If you want to make the outside world change their opinion of you then educate the minority of you that are causing these problems. I will probably be slated for writing this however, the truth hurts. The problems on the estate are real and only standing together and changing your ways will make the rest of the world listen that your not everything they say you are. I say we invite the TV cameras back in 18 months and YOU all prove us wrong????? Anyone interested in GREENSLEEVES please contact Ian McHugh onTuesday 1-4? Maybe people have to work, pick up children from school? A gardening club? Why not funding for an interview guidance or how to write an appealing CV instead for the people who aren't in work? So before mouthing off airing what are probably you're own interests ladybugsHORTICULTURE have a think about it. I'm from Shadsworth, I work and I know it's no garden of roses but I couldn't care less about a gardening club. When I'm retired and when we have a bloody summer maybe. Possibly that's why no one attends your classes. DanParker

6:41pm Tue 11 Sep 12

bubble of reason says...

makaveli96 wrote:
s_smith wrote:
I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?
Who, the one with the tash?
Also 20 Lambert and Butler sticking out of pocket????? Bet it is like a Ghost Town Up Shad 9 p.m till 10 p.m... Get Detector Vans round!!!
[quote][p][bold]makaveli96[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_smith[/bold] wrote: I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?[/p][/quote]Who, the one with the tash?[/p][/quote]Also 20 Lambert and Butler sticking out of pocket????? Bet it is like a Ghost Town Up Shad 9 p.m till 10 p.m... Get Detector Vans round!!! bubble of reason

6:45pm Tue 11 Sep 12

darwen_celeb says...

“As someone who has lived in They chose Shadsworth as an easy target."

They chose Shadsworth as it was the closest sounding to 'Chatsworth'. Of they wanted an easy target surely Mill Hill would've been easier according to this article... but there's another Mill Hill in London so this would've been confusing for southern audiences.

This is obvious.
“As someone who has lived in They chose Shadsworth as an easy target." They chose Shadsworth as it was the closest sounding to 'Chatsworth'. Of they wanted an easy target surely Mill Hill would've been easier according to this article... but there's another Mill Hill in London so this would've been confusing for southern audiences. This is obvious. darwen_celeb

6:46pm Tue 11 Sep 12

darwen_celeb says...

And MP Jack Straw said: “Shadsworth is improving and I have visited far, far worse estates elsewhere in the country.”

The phrase 'best looking in the burns ward' springs to mind.
And MP Jack Straw said: “Shadsworth is improving and I have visited far, far worse estates elsewhere in the country.” The phrase 'best looking in the burns ward' springs to mind. darwen_celeb

6:48pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Republican says...

I've been on the estate during the day and don't feel there is anything wrong with the place. I can think of worse places. Most of the people who live there are pleasant enough. Odd houses look as if the neighbours from Hell live there, but a few bad apples can be found anywhere.
I've been on the estate during the day and don't feel there is anything wrong with the place. I can think of worse places. Most of the people who live there are pleasant enough. Odd houses look as if the neighbours from Hell live there, but a few bad apples can be found anywhere. Republican

6:49pm Tue 11 Sep 12

darwen_celeb says...

“It could lead to lower house prices, derail investment, lower morale, and potentially turn it in to a sink estate, undoing all the investment and hard work of the community, Twin Valley Homes, essential services, and the police.”

A documentary does not cause this. Politicians and Councillors have ALREADY caused this.
“It could lead to lower house prices, derail investment, lower morale, and potentially turn it in to a sink estate, undoing all the investment and hard work of the community, Twin Valley Homes, essential services, and the police.” A documentary does not cause this. Politicians and Councillors have ALREADY caused this. darwen_celeb

6:52pm Tue 11 Sep 12

darwen_celeb says...

“In response to Councillor Jim Shorrock’s comments, it is categorically untrue that the programme team sought to influence the behaviour of anyone they filmed and certainly didn’t ask them to put up hoods, as is evident from the youngsters featured in the film."

All the councillor is doing here is reinforcing negative stereotypes that any one in a hooded garment, making use of such good is scum. Prejudice.
“In response to Councillor Jim Shorrock’s comments, it is categorically untrue that the programme team sought to influence the behaviour of anyone they filmed and certainly didn’t ask them to put up hoods, as is evident from the youngsters featured in the film." All the councillor is doing here is reinforcing negative stereotypes that any one in a hooded garment, making use of such good is scum. Prejudice. darwen_celeb

6:53pm Tue 11 Sep 12

darwen_celeb says...

Face facts Blackburn is cack.
Face facts Blackburn is cack. darwen_celeb

6:55pm Tue 11 Sep 12

matty hughes says...

ive lived in/next to shadsworth all my life and to be honest i did get into trouble but its not as bad as its made out to be i think its stupid the way its ben blown out of preportion....
ive lived in/next to shadsworth all my life and to be honest i did get into trouble but its not as bad as its made out to be i think its stupid the way its ben blown out of preportion.... matty hughes

7:04pm Tue 11 Sep 12

ladybugshorticulture says...

DanParker wrote:
ladybugshorticulture wrote:
There is a community led project at Shadsworth off Oban drive GREENSLEEVES. It is for the community, led by the community. If the community wanted this facility then why does the project not have more support from the residents?
Greensleeves is a new allotment growing project which is open to everyone of all ages. There are some teaching sessions for bitesize learning chunks to teach them how to garden and look after their own space. These are heavily attended by the young children but no adults.

There is a small shop where produce grown on the site is for sale, but unless there is more support for this 'project' which the estate wanted then it will be 'another waste of money' as someone else said.

SHADSWORTH ...... residents, if you all argue against this slander to yourselves then where are you? Why do you not stand up and make a difference, when offered help, funding and support do you not grab it with both hands and get out there and change where you live?
You might find its far more interesting than Jeremy Kyle !!!!

If you want to make the outside world change their opinion of you then educate the minority of you that are causing these problems.

I will probably be slated for writing this however, the truth hurts. The problems on the estate are real and only standing together and changing your ways will make the rest of the world listen that your not everything they say you are.

I say we invite the TV cameras back in 18 months and YOU all prove us wrong?????

Anyone interested in GREENSLEEVES please contact Ian McHugh onTuesday 1-4? Maybe people have to work, pick up children from school?

A gardening club? Why not funding for an interview guidance or how to write an appealing CV instead for the people who aren't in work?

So before mouthing off airing what are probably you're own interests ladybugsHORTICULTURE have a think about it.

I'm from Shadsworth, I work and I know it's no garden of roses but I couldn't care less about a gardening club. When I'm retired and when we have a bloody summer maybe. Possibly that's why no one attends your classes.They are not 'our classes' they are yours! Paid for by money you asked for from the lottery!!!!!!!!!!
You as an estate asked for it and you got it!!!
- so even if your retired there is a small group offering to go out and help residents with their gardens too!!!
I merely give my time to volunteer - free!!!
I could sit in my garden but I believe assisting encouraging and helping promotes a better community spirit!
Anything to help!!!
[quote][p][bold]DanParker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ladybugshorticulture[/bold] wrote: There is a community led project at Shadsworth off Oban drive GREENSLEEVES. It is for the community, led by the community. If the community wanted this facility then why does the project not have more support from the residents? Greensleeves is a new allotment growing project which is open to everyone of all ages. There are some teaching sessions for bitesize learning chunks to teach them how to garden and look after their own space. These are heavily attended by the young children but no adults. There is a small shop where produce grown on the site is for sale, but unless there is more support for this 'project' which the estate wanted then it will be 'another waste of money' as someone else said. SHADSWORTH ...... residents, if you all argue against this slander to yourselves then where are you? Why do you not stand up and make a difference, when offered help, funding and support do you not grab it with both hands and get out there and change where you live? You might find its far more interesting than Jeremy Kyle !!!! If you want to make the outside world change their opinion of you then educate the minority of you that are causing these problems. I will probably be slated for writing this however, the truth hurts. The problems on the estate are real and only standing together and changing your ways will make the rest of the world listen that your not everything they say you are. I say we invite the TV cameras back in 18 months and YOU all prove us wrong????? Anyone interested in GREENSLEEVES please contact Ian McHugh onTuesday 1-4? Maybe people have to work, pick up children from school? A gardening club? Why not funding for an interview guidance or how to write an appealing CV instead for the people who aren't in work? So before mouthing off airing what are probably you're own interests ladybugsHORTICULTURE have a think about it. I'm from Shadsworth, I work and I know it's no garden of roses but I couldn't care less about a gardening club. When I'm retired and when we have a bloody summer maybe. Possibly that's why no one attends your classes.[/p][/quote]They are not 'our classes' they are yours! Paid for by money you asked for from the lottery!!!!!!!!!! You as an estate asked for it and you got it!!! - so even if your retired there is a small group offering to go out and help residents with their gardens too!!! I merely give my time to volunteer - free!!! I could sit in my garden but I believe assisting encouraging and helping promotes a better community spirit! Anything to help!!! ladybugshorticulture

7:07pm Tue 11 Sep 12

BritainfortheBritish says...

I used to live near Shad years ago and it was bad then and i know for a fact it has only got worse.

Panorama do tend to sensationalise but they will not be far from the truth.
I used to live near Shad years ago and it was bad then and i know for a fact it has only got worse. Panorama do tend to sensationalise but they will not be far from the truth. BritainfortheBritish

7:09pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Marky mark says...

bubble of reason wrote:
makaveli96 wrote:
s_smith wrote:
I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?
Who, the one with the tash?
Also 20 Lambert and Butler sticking out of pocket????? Bet it is like a Ghost Town Up Shad 9 p.m till 10 p.m... Get Detector Vans round!!!
"quality"
[quote][p][bold]bubble of reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]makaveli96[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_smith[/bold] wrote: I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?[/p][/quote]Who, the one with the tash?[/p][/quote]Also 20 Lambert and Butler sticking out of pocket????? Bet it is like a Ghost Town Up Shad 9 p.m till 10 p.m... Get Detector Vans round!!![/p][/quote]"quality" Marky mark

7:13pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
I used to live near Shad years ago and it was bad then and i know for a fact it has only got worse.

Panorama do tend to sensationalise but they will not be far from the truth.
Let's wait and see roll on 9pm.
[quote][p][bold]BritainfortheBritish[/bold] wrote: I used to live near Shad years ago and it was bad then and i know for a fact it has only got worse. Panorama do tend to sensationalise but they will not be far from the truth.[/p][/quote]Let's wait and see roll on 9pm. Michael@ClitheroeSince58

7:15pm Tue 11 Sep 12

sen c ble says...

RUinsane wrote:
Find them all a job and you would have peace and harmony. The answer is shut the borders, stop importing slave labour and give everyone a job.
Sorted.
Get real.

A large percentage don't want to work!
[quote][p][bold]RUinsane[/bold] wrote: Find them all a job and you would have peace and harmony. The answer is shut the borders, stop importing slave labour and give everyone a job. Sorted.[/p][/quote]Get real. A large percentage don't want to work! sen c ble

7:17pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Good call says...

Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers.
Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers. Good call

7:29pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Carl_24 says...

I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!!
That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above -

Street corner drug dealers
Broken families needing help
Drunks
Teenage yobs destined prison
Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents
Hard-pressed police struggling to cope
Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys

All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site -

"Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably."

You try doing that on here you get told to f**k off and get a bottled smashed over your head.
This estate has rightly earned the nickname chavsworth.
Everything that'll be in this programme tonight just remember THE CAMERA NEVER LIES.
I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!! That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above - Street corner drug dealers Broken families needing help Drunks Teenage yobs destined prison Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents Hard-pressed police struggling to cope Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site - "Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably." You try doing that on here you get told to f**k off and get a bottled smashed over your head. This estate has rightly earned the nickname chavsworth. Everything that'll be in this programme tonight just remember THE CAMERA NEVER LIES. Carl_24

7:34pm Tue 11 Sep 12

sen c ble says...

Good call wrote:
Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers.
Yes we'll discuss your concerns, but in the mean time get off lazy butt and get working!
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers.[/p][/quote]Yes we'll discuss your concerns, but in the mean time get off lazy butt and get working! sen c ble

7:40pm Tue 11 Sep 12

matty hughes says...

roll on nine o'clock i wanna how they are portraying my estate i know a lot more places that are worse than shadsworth like whiteberk, higher croft, mill hill is pritty bad, audley i can go n all day....
roll on nine o'clock i wanna how they are portraying my estate i know a lot more places that are worse than shadsworth like whiteberk, higher croft, mill hill is pritty bad, audley i can go n all day.... matty hughes

7:49pm Tue 11 Sep 12

matty hughes says...

Carl_24 wrote:
I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!!
That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above -

Street corner drug dealers
Broken families needing help
Drunks
Teenage yobs destined prison
Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents
Hard-pressed police struggling to cope
Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys

All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site -

"Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably."

You try doing that on here you get told to f**k off and get a bottled smashed over your head.
This estate has rightly earned the nickname chavsworth.
Everything that'll be in this programme tonight just remember THE CAMERA NEVER LIES.
since when has it been called chavsworth if youve got so many problems with the estate why dont you move "chavsorth" aint gunna change any time soon....
[quote][p][bold]Carl_24[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!! That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above - Street corner drug dealers Broken families needing help Drunks Teenage yobs destined prison Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents Hard-pressed police struggling to cope Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site - "Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably." You try doing that on here you get told to f**k off and get a bottled smashed over your head. This estate has rightly earned the nickname chavsworth. Everything that'll be in this programme tonight just remember THE CAMERA NEVER LIES.[/p][/quote]since when has it been called chavsworth if youve got so many problems with the estate why dont you move "chavsorth" aint gunna change any time soon.... matty hughes

7:49pm Tue 11 Sep 12

doomchanter says...

Well said Good Call.
A nation that is led by a monarchy cannot expect its people to aspire to anything other than a scroungers lifestyle.
I am a taxpayer who resents supporting the non-working class scum at both ends of the social spectrum.
They are all in my opinion (and by definition) parasites, living on the backs of the working class.
Well said Good Call. A nation that is led by a monarchy cannot expect its people to aspire to anything other than a scroungers lifestyle. I am a taxpayer who resents supporting the non-working class scum at both ends of the social spectrum. They are all in my opinion (and by definition) parasites, living on the backs of the working class. doomchanter

8:11pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Speaking my mind says...

Shadsworth isnt that bad really, just some girl stabbed her fella last week.but thats normal yeah?
No really, its not actually as bad as its made out. i have lived in shadsworth, well next to it for most of my life, i have never had trouble with anyone.

Apart from the lady in the picture at the top left. She should NOT be making out she is a decent person, okay she may go to church and is best friends with the local 'vicor' but she is a far worse person than the people made out to be the bad ones!

Drugs, non-workers, benefit claiments are all over the country and shadsworth unfortunatly has been picked to make some sort of example from.
Shadsworth isnt that bad really, just some girl stabbed her fella last week.but thats normal yeah? No really, its not actually as bad as its made out. i have lived in shadsworth, well next to it for most of my life, i have never had trouble with anyone. Apart from the lady in the picture at the top left. She should NOT be making out she is a decent person, okay she may go to church and is best friends with the local 'vicor' but she is a far worse person than the people made out to be the bad ones! Drugs, non-workers, benefit claiments are all over the country and shadsworth unfortunatly has been picked to make some sort of example from. Speaking my mind

8:18pm Tue 11 Sep 12

matty hughes says...

Speaking my mind wrote:
Shadsworth isnt that bad really, just some girl stabbed her fella last week.but thats normal yeah?
No really, its not actually as bad as its made out. i have lived in shadsworth, well next to it for most of my life, i have never had trouble with anyone.

Apart from the lady in the picture at the top left. She should NOT be making out she is a decent person, okay she may go to church and is best friends with the local 'vicor' but she is a far worse person than the people made out to be the bad ones!

Drugs, non-workers, benefit claiments are all over the country and shadsworth unfortunatly has been picked to make some sort of example from.
finally someone specking sence..
[quote][p][bold]Speaking my mind[/bold] wrote: Shadsworth isnt that bad really, just some girl stabbed her fella last week.but thats normal yeah? No really, its not actually as bad as its made out. i have lived in shadsworth, well next to it for most of my life, i have never had trouble with anyone. Apart from the lady in the picture at the top left. She should NOT be making out she is a decent person, okay she may go to church and is best friends with the local 'vicor' but she is a far worse person than the people made out to be the bad ones! Drugs, non-workers, benefit claiments are all over the country and shadsworth unfortunatly has been picked to make some sort of example from.[/p][/quote]finally someone specking sence.. matty hughes

8:22pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Carl_24 says...

matty hughes wrote:
Carl_24 wrote:
I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!!
That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above -

Street corner drug dealers
Broken families needing help
Drunks
Teenage yobs destined prison
Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents
Hard-pressed police struggling to cope
Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys

All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site -

"Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably."

You try doing that on here you get told to f**k off and get a bottled smashed over your head.
This estate has rightly earned the nickname chavsworth.
Everything that'll be in this programme tonight just remember THE CAMERA NEVER LIES.
since when has it been called chavsworth if youve got so many problems with the estate why dont you move "chavsorth" aint gunna change any time soon....
Why should I have to move?
it's the trouble makers, druggie's and p*ss heads that should move.
[quote][p][bold]matty hughes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carl_24[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!! That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above - Street corner drug dealers Broken families needing help Drunks Teenage yobs destined prison Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents Hard-pressed police struggling to cope Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site - "Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably." You try doing that on here you get told to f**k off and get a bottled smashed over your head. This estate has rightly earned the nickname chavsworth. Everything that'll be in this programme tonight just remember THE CAMERA NEVER LIES.[/p][/quote]since when has it been called chavsworth if youve got so many problems with the estate why dont you move "chavsorth" aint gunna change any time soon....[/p][/quote]Why should I have to move? it's the trouble makers, druggie's and p*ss heads that should move. Carl_24

8:23pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Carl_24 says...

Carl_24 wrote:
matty hughes wrote:
Carl_24 wrote:
I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!!
That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above -

Street corner drug dealers
Broken families needing help
Drunks
Teenage yobs destined prison
Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents
Hard-pressed police struggling to cope
Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys

All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site -

"Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably."

You try doing that on here you get told to f**k off and get a bottled smashed over your head.
This estate has rightly earned the nickname chavsworth.
Everything that'll be in this programme tonight just remember THE CAMERA NEVER LIES.
since when has it been called chavsworth if youve got so many problems with the estate why dont you move "chavsorth" aint gunna change any time soon....
Why should I have to move?
it's the trouble makers, druggie's and p*ss heads that should move.
I'm one of the decent one's that is trying to make this a better place to live.
[quote][p][bold]Carl_24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matty hughes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carl_24[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!! That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above - Street corner drug dealers Broken families needing help Drunks Teenage yobs destined prison Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents Hard-pressed police struggling to cope Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site - "Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably." You try doing that on here you get told to f**k off and get a bottled smashed over your head. This estate has rightly earned the nickname chavsworth. Everything that'll be in this programme tonight just remember THE CAMERA NEVER LIES.[/p][/quote]since when has it been called chavsworth if youve got so many problems with the estate why dont you move "chavsorth" aint gunna change any time soon....[/p][/quote]Why should I have to move? it's the trouble makers, druggie's and p*ss heads that should move.[/p][/quote]I'm one of the decent one's that is trying to make this a better place to live. Carl_24

8:26pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Chris P Bacon says...

Good call wrote:
Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers.
That's a bit 1990s isn't it? now that there's no hiding place for the scrounging bankers, the benefit scroungers have no carcass to hide behind. You can forget trying to side-track the discussion about garbage benefit swindlers on either side by bringing nonsense about Syria in to it. It's a non starter that those hiding behind their Giros wish would conceal their duplicities.

It is EXACTLY the existence of the Welfare State and the laziness it's produced that's led to scenes we're looking forward to seeing tonight.
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers.[/p][/quote]That's a bit 1990s isn't it? now that there's no hiding place for the scrounging bankers, the benefit scroungers have no carcass to hide behind. You can forget trying to side-track the discussion about garbage benefit swindlers on either side by bringing nonsense about Syria in to it. It's a non starter that those hiding behind their Giros wish would conceal their duplicities. It is EXACTLY the existence of the Welfare State and the laziness it's produced that's led to scenes we're looking forward to seeing tonight. Chris P Bacon

8:34pm Tue 11 Sep 12

matty hughes says...

Carl_24 wrote:
Carl_24 wrote:
matty hughes wrote:
Carl_24 wrote:
I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!!
That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above -

Street corner drug dealers
Broken families needing help
Drunks
Teenage yobs destined prison
Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents
Hard-pressed police struggling to cope
Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys

All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site -

"Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably."

You try doing that on here you get told to f**k off and get a bottled smashed over your head.
This estate has rightly earned the nickname chavsworth.
Everything that'll be in this programme tonight just remember THE CAMERA NEVER LIES.
since when has it been called chavsworth if youve got so many problems with the estate why dont you move "chavsorth" aint gunna change any time soon....
Why should I have to move?
it's the trouble makers, druggie's and p*ss heads that should move.
I'm one of the decent one's that is trying to make this a better place to live.
im not sayin you have to move im sayin its not going to change i moved because although its a top place to live gettin in trouble wasnt werth living there
[quote][p][bold]Carl_24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carl_24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]matty hughes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carl_24[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!! That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above - Street corner drug dealers Broken families needing help Drunks Teenage yobs destined prison Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents Hard-pressed police struggling to cope Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site - "Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably." You try doing that on here you get told to f**k off and get a bottled smashed over your head. This estate has rightly earned the nickname chavsworth. Everything that'll be in this programme tonight just remember THE CAMERA NEVER LIES.[/p][/quote]since when has it been called chavsworth if youve got so many problems with the estate why dont you move "chavsorth" aint gunna change any time soon....[/p][/quote]Why should I have to move? it's the trouble makers, druggie's and p*ss heads that should move.[/p][/quote]I'm one of the decent one's that is trying to make this a better place to live.[/p][/quote]im not sayin you have to move im sayin its not going to change i moved because although its a top place to live gettin in trouble wasnt werth living there matty hughes

8:50pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Good call says...

doomchanter wrote:
Well said Good Call. A nation that is led by a monarchy cannot expect its people to aspire to anything other than a scroungers lifestyle. I am a taxpayer who resents supporting the non-working class scum at both ends of the social spectrum. They are all in my opinion (and by definition) parasites, living on the backs of the working class.
Exactly my point doomchanter, i do not doubt that there are a minority of people who play the benefits system,but i just believe there are bigger problems than benefit fraud/scrounging.
[quote][p][bold]doomchanter[/bold] wrote: Well said Good Call. A nation that is led by a monarchy cannot expect its people to aspire to anything other than a scroungers lifestyle. I am a taxpayer who resents supporting the non-working class scum at both ends of the social spectrum. They are all in my opinion (and by definition) parasites, living on the backs of the working class.[/p][/quote]Exactly my point doomchanter, i do not doubt that there are a minority of people who play the benefits system,but i just believe there are bigger problems than benefit fraud/scrounging. Good call

9:16pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Fire Fly says...

Dear god, just drop a bomb on it!
Dear god, just drop a bomb on it! Fire Fly

9:30pm Tue 11 Sep 12

allan1957 says...

Sill can afford mobile phones,game consoles,and 40" tvs despite saying we are struggling to buy food etc
Sill can afford mobile phones,game consoles,and 40" tvs despite saying we are struggling to buy food etc allan1957

9:32pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Fire Fly says...

Wow I vote Alwyn for the next supernanny! She doesn't endorse school but smokes weed & wants her kids to know about drugs...this is why shads being portrayed as it is!!!
Wow I vote Alwyn for the next supernanny! She doesn't endorse school but smokes weed & wants her kids to know about drugs...this is why shads being portrayed as it is!!! Fire Fly

9:34pm Tue 11 Sep 12

BritainfortheBritish says...

Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .
Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working . BritainfortheBritish

9:37pm Tue 11 Sep 12

BritainfortheBritish says...

allan1957 wrote:
Sill can afford mobile phones,game consoles,and 40" tvs despite saying we are struggling to buy food etc
Yep ! Not watched it all yet but that was very noticable.
[quote][p][bold]allan1957[/bold] wrote: Sill can afford mobile phones,game consoles,and 40" tvs despite saying we are struggling to buy food etc[/p][/quote]Yep ! Not watched it all yet but that was very noticable. BritainfortheBritish

9:40pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Lancistan says...

Retards
Retards Lancistan

9:46pm Tue 11 Sep 12

RUinsane says...

makaveli96 wrote:
s_smith wrote:
I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?
Who, the one with the tash?
Who's the other? scary mary from phones 4 U
[quote][p][bold]makaveli96[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_smith[/bold] wrote: I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?[/p][/quote]Who, the one with the tash?[/p][/quote]Who's the other? scary mary from phones 4 U RUinsane

9:47pm Tue 11 Sep 12

ste.g says...

what a good mother and role model alwyn is.
as for the rest scum.
i take my hat off to the guy who works tho.
as for stephen....move away from the little ****
what a good mother and role model alwyn is. as for the rest scum. i take my hat off to the guy who works tho. as for stephen....move away from the little **** ste.g

9:50pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Fire Fly says...

Apologies for going on....Alwyn the lazy witch doesn't work, she chose to have 4 kids & then needs help from special care agents, the social to the de clutter n decorate....WTF am I missing, how come I have to go to work so I can decorate...i'm a single parent! I work, I pay my bills n whilst on a low wage get v little state help....my bloods boiling at the injustice. Alwyn wants euthanising!!!
Apologies for going on....Alwyn the lazy witch doesn't work, she chose to have 4 kids & then needs help from special care agents, the social to the de clutter n decorate....WTF am I missing, how come I have to go to work so I can decorate...i'm a single parent! I work, I pay my bills n whilst on a low wage get v little state help....my bloods boiling at the injustice. Alwyn wants euthanising!!! Fire Fly

9:57pm Tue 11 Sep 12

RUinsane says...

Chris P Bacon wrote:
Good call wrote:
Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers.
That's a bit 1990s isn't it? now that there's no hiding place for the scrounging bankers, the benefit scroungers have no carcass to hide behind. You can forget trying to side-track the discussion about garbage benefit swindlers on either side by bringing nonsense about Syria in to it. It's a non starter that those hiding behind their Giros wish would conceal their duplicities.

It is EXACTLY the existence of the Welfare State and the laziness it's produced that's led to scenes we're looking forward to seeing tonight.
The irony, a cyclist calling someone lazy, spends half his exercise routine freewheeling down hills. Says he goes faster as the friction coefficient has been reduced by the removal of leg hair.
Or, he shaves his legs and as his masculinity has been reduced somewhat, comes on here to check spelling and call people stupid.
Make your own mind up. Wax, wet shave or immac, the only issue he can give you first hand opinion of, oh and lycra with anti chaffe lube and potholes. Brilliant.
[quote][p][bold]Chris P Bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers.[/p][/quote]That's a bit 1990s isn't it? now that there's no hiding place for the scrounging bankers, the benefit scroungers have no carcass to hide behind. You can forget trying to side-track the discussion about garbage benefit swindlers on either side by bringing nonsense about Syria in to it. It's a non starter that those hiding behind their Giros wish would conceal their duplicities. It is EXACTLY the existence of the Welfare State and the laziness it's produced that's led to scenes we're looking forward to seeing tonight.[/p][/quote]The irony, a cyclist calling someone lazy, spends half his exercise routine freewheeling down hills. Says he goes faster as the friction coefficient has been reduced by the removal of leg hair. Or, he shaves his legs and as his masculinity has been reduced somewhat, comes on here to check spelling and call people stupid. Make your own mind up. Wax, wet shave or immac, the only issue he can give you first hand opinion of, oh and lycra with anti chaffe lube and potholes. Brilliant. RUinsane

9:57pm Tue 11 Sep 12

allan1957 says...

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .
Yep thats my monthly wage for working 39 hours a week
[quote][p][bold]BritainfortheBritish[/bold] wrote: Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .[/p][/quote]Yep thats my monthly wage for working 39 hours a week allan1957

10:01pm Tue 11 Sep 12

happycyclist says...

Good call wrote:
Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers.[/p][/quote]Well said. happycyclist

10:01pm Tue 11 Sep 12

darwenTower says...

I'm just glad Shadsworth exists as it does rather than that lot living in buy to lets making decent people's lives miserable.
I'm just glad Shadsworth exists as it does rather than that lot living in buy to lets making decent people's lives miserable. darwenTower

10:03pm Tue 11 Sep 12

happycyclist says...

And MP Jack Straw said: “Shadsworth is improving and I have visited far, far worse estates elsewhere in the country.”

Is that the best you can do, Jack? Pathetic.
And MP Jack Straw said: “Shadsworth is improving and I have visited far, far worse estates elsewhere in the country.” Is that the best you can do, Jack? Pathetic. happycyclist

10:04pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Lancistan says...

The environment is not bad. Any problems stems from the selfish, low iq adults. The kids their are fine, it is the negative adults who are the problem.
The environment is not bad. Any problems stems from the selfish, low iq adults. The kids their are fine, it is the negative adults who are the problem. Lancistan

10:05pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .
Probably pays no rent as well
[quote][p][bold]BritainfortheBritish[/bold] wrote: Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .[/p][/quote]Probably pays no rent as well Michael@ClitheroeSince58

10:06pm Tue 11 Sep 12

darwenTower says...

Good call wrote:
Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers.
I agree. But it is possible to a degree to control how much of your *own* money goes into the hands of the elite.
The underclass, however, are having your money doled out to them whether you like it or not and they thank you by making your life a misery with their antisocial behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: Ah yes lets keep foaming at the mouth about "benefit scroungers", lets not look at the benefit scrounging bankers,who pocketed hundreds of billions in corporate welfare,lets not turn our anger on tax dodging billionaires and mega corporations who've dodged billions in tax.We should be screaming like hell about the wars, the funding of Syrian "rebels",government `corruption and cover ups,but we dont because we get angry/scared about thing like benefit scroungers.[/p][/quote]I agree. But it is possible to a degree to control how much of your *own* money goes into the hands of the elite. The underclass, however, are having your money doled out to them whether you like it or not and they thank you by making your life a misery with their antisocial behaviour. darwenTower

10:13pm Tue 11 Sep 12

S4AWX100 says...

Sh#t hole 40 years ago,still a sh#t hole now!
Sh#t hole 40 years ago,still a sh#t hole now! S4AWX100

10:15pm Tue 11 Sep 12

impartial83 says...

So I've run through the comments, and it gives me no pleasure in bringing this up but I'm absolutely astounded that there has been no mention of the usually 'race' drivel you get on this website.

I hope the episode is a reminder to all who spout the rubbish I have read on the LET that issues, which have been aired to the nation, are prevalent in areas of Blackburn irrespective of race, religion, colour or creed.

Will this change the opinions of some? Race, religion, colour or creed should never come into a conversation and I sincerely hope it never appears on this website again. I wish I had more faith.

Other points, the police officer in the program was a disgrace to the force and should be reprimanded at best for such blatant ignorance. It was such a shame as well to see children being influenced by their 'parents' to lead the lives they are doing - where do social services come into this?

Footage doesn't lie, and neither do first hand testaments. A real real shame.
So I've run through the comments, and it gives me no pleasure in bringing this up but I'm absolutely astounded that there has been no mention of the usually 'race' drivel you get on this website. I hope the episode is a reminder to all who spout the rubbish I have read on the LET that issues, which have been aired to the nation, are prevalent in areas of Blackburn irrespective of race, religion, colour or creed. Will this change the opinions of some? Race, religion, colour or creed should never come into a conversation and I sincerely hope it never appears on this website again. I wish I had more faith. Other points, the police officer in the program was a disgrace to the force and should be reprimanded at best for such blatant ignorance. It was such a shame as well to see children being influenced by their 'parents' to lead the lives they are doing - where do social services come into this? Footage doesn't lie, and neither do first hand testaments. A real real shame. impartial83

10:16pm Tue 11 Sep 12

VicLou says...

Im thinking I may have to work more than my full time hours to pay more tax to keep the likes of Alwyn in the life she is accustomed to .... she cant possibly get up early to go to work!!
Im thinking I may have to work more than my full time hours to pay more tax to keep the likes of Alwyn in the life she is accustomed to .... she cant possibly get up early to go to work!! VicLou

10:22pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Jerzei Balowski says...

Lancistan wrote:
The environment is not bad. Any problems stems from the selfish, low iq adults. The kids their are fine, it is the negative adults who are the problem.
Unfortunately the welfare state in its current form encourages the low IQ and workshy amongst us to breed more rapidly than the rest. For the first time in human history the concept of "survival of the fittest" has been reversed, the genetic pool is being pushed into reverse as scum like Alwyn have 4 kids and the ones paying for her and her like have just 1. Time for some good old fashioned sterilisation legislation to sort this out.
[quote][p][bold]Lancistan[/bold] wrote: The environment is not bad. Any problems stems from the selfish, low iq adults. The kids their are fine, it is the negative adults who are the problem.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the welfare state in its current form encourages the low IQ and workshy amongst us to breed more rapidly than the rest. For the first time in human history the concept of "survival of the fittest" has been reversed, the genetic pool is being pushed into reverse as scum like Alwyn have 4 kids and the ones paying for her and her like have just 1. Time for some good old fashioned sterilisation legislation to sort this out. Jerzei Balowski

10:23pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Nelson J says...

'I wanted to be a firefighter but I ended up being an arsonist'....classic
!!
'I wanted to be a firefighter but I ended up being an arsonist'....classic !! Nelson J

10:35pm Tue 11 Sep 12

grabbi5 says...

VicLou wrote:
Im thinking I may have to work more than my full time hours to pay more tax to keep the likes of Alwyn in the life she is accustomed to .... she cant possibly get up early to go to work!!
Im doing overtime this weekend so i hope the extra tax i'll be paying will go to help this poor lady out!!
[quote][p][bold]VicLou[/bold] wrote: Im thinking I may have to work more than my full time hours to pay more tax to keep the likes of Alwyn in the life she is accustomed to .... she cant possibly get up early to go to work!![/p][/quote]Im doing overtime this weekend so i hope the extra tax i'll be paying will go to help this poor lady out!! grabbi5

10:37pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Stuart Farquar says...

I watched it and it made me cry by how truthful it were.
I watched it and it made me cry by how truthful it were. Stuart Farquar

10:50pm Tue 11 Sep 12

RUinsane says...

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58
wrote:
BritainfortheBritish wrote:
Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .
Probably pays no rent as well
Probably has blue tattoos and a dog called Tyson.
[quote][p][bold]Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BritainfortheBritish[/bold] wrote: Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .[/p][/quote]Probably pays no rent as well[/p][/quote]Probably has blue tattoos and a dog called Tyson. RUinsane

11:06pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Pommie Art says...

The entire estate is a no go area these days its been like that for many years now, the estate has had this reputation for a long time. some 95% of people living in this gheto seem to like this stigma that comes with the place after all the council provided very good houses but the clientel in the homes have ruined the estate.

People who have little education & also have a bad attitude towards anything thats out of there comfort zone simply creat hell for others. the mind set for a lot of people is to simply collect there handouts from the government with little hope of them making any effort to contribute to society like it or not people shall come out with every excuse in the book not to do the right thing.
Its not only shad thats in this position look at Green Lane, Intack, Hill Hill Higher Croft & more.
The entire estate is a no go area these days its been like that for many years now, the estate has had this reputation for a long time. some 95% of people living in this gheto seem to like this stigma that comes with the place after all the council provided very good houses but the clientel in the homes have ruined the estate. People who have little education & also have a bad attitude towards anything thats out of there comfort zone simply creat hell for others. the mind set for a lot of people is to simply collect there handouts from the government with little hope of them making any effort to contribute to society like it or not people shall come out with every excuse in the book not to do the right thing. Its not only shad thats in this position look at Green Lane, Intack, Hill Hill Higher Croft & more. Pommie Art

11:07pm Tue 11 Sep 12

peely says...

If she,d get off her fat ar&e and do a bit of cleaning up it would be a start!Every excuse in the world for why she can't help herself and everybody has to help her.its the kids I feel sorry for, she should be locked up and the kids put with decent foster parents.She,s not fit to be a parent..
If she,d get off her fat ar&e and do a bit of cleaning up it would be a start!Every excuse in the world for why she can't help herself and everybody has to help her.its the kids I feel sorry for, she should be locked up and the kids put with decent foster parents.She,s not fit to be a parent.. peely

11:24pm Tue 11 Sep 12

district01 says...

I watched the programme tonight and although fully aware of the difficulties within that community feel sad that everyone within that community should have to put up with all of that unease. Total dismay and anger but little surprised as to how poorly the leaders of Blackburn with Darwen council have dealt with these problems over the years. It’s not as though they are strangers to these facts is it?

The now happily retired Jack Straw and his politically favoured crew should do well to take a walk or even a taxi to see for themselves what little they have done for the people who live there. Those very well paid people can blame nobody but themselves and little wonder few of them actually live in Blackburn.

They are a total disgrace!
I watched the programme tonight and although fully aware of the difficulties within that community feel sad that everyone within that community should have to put up with all of that unease. Total dismay and anger but little surprised as to how poorly the leaders of Blackburn with Darwen council have dealt with these problems over the years. It’s not as though they are strangers to these facts is it? The now happily retired Jack Straw and his politically favoured crew should do well to take a walk or even a taxi to see for themselves what little they have done for the people who live there. Those very well paid people can blame nobody but themselves and little wonder few of them actually live in Blackburn. They are a total disgrace! district01

11:35pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Lynn_Blackburn says...

I Live on the Shasworth estate lived here for 11 years and i found this documentary quite gloomy, There are a lot of decent people on the Shadsworth estate that do look after their homes and go to work, I also am disgusted by many comments on here about retards etc I am not a retard and am offended by that statement...dont tar everyone with the same brush
I Live on the Shasworth estate lived here for 11 years and i found this documentary quite gloomy, There are a lot of decent people on the Shadsworth estate that do look after their homes and go to work, I also am disgusted by many comments on here about retards etc I am not a retard and am offended by that statement...dont tar everyone with the same brush Lynn_Blackburn

11:40pm Tue 11 Sep 12

HairyBowls says...

Burnley wood was the hilton compared to that!
Burnley wood was the hilton compared to that! HairyBowls

11:46pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Jerzei Balowski says...

district01 wrote:
I watched the programme tonight and although fully aware of the difficulties within that community feel sad that everyone within that community should have to put up with all of that unease. Total dismay and anger but little surprised as to how poorly the leaders of Blackburn with Darwen council have dealt with these problems over the years. It’s not as though they are strangers to these facts is it? The now happily retired Jack Straw and his politically favoured crew should do well to take a walk or even a taxi to see for themselves what little they have done for the people who live there. Those very well paid people can blame nobody but themselves and little wonder few of them actually live in Blackburn. They are a total disgrace!
Far be it from me to defend our local politicians, useless as they are, but this isn't an issue caused at local level. The cause is the right-on Guardian-reading social theorists who changed the Welfare State from its original purpose of a safety net into a means of redistributing wealth, without realising that all their idealistic approach would achieve is a bunch of fat wasters with a massive sense of entitlement and no sense of responsibility.

Having said that, I know several single people who have been jobless over the last few years who do end up in genuine hardship, unlike Alwyn and her type. Is it really that surprising that we end up with estates full of unwanted feral kids when producing a child is rewarded in this way ?
[quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: I watched the programme tonight and although fully aware of the difficulties within that community feel sad that everyone within that community should have to put up with all of that unease. Total dismay and anger but little surprised as to how poorly the leaders of Blackburn with Darwen council have dealt with these problems over the years. It’s not as though they are strangers to these facts is it? The now happily retired Jack Straw and his politically favoured crew should do well to take a walk or even a taxi to see for themselves what little they have done for the people who live there. Those very well paid people can blame nobody but themselves and little wonder few of them actually live in Blackburn. They are a total disgrace![/p][/quote]Far be it from me to defend our local politicians, useless as they are, but this isn't an issue caused at local level. The cause is the right-on Guardian-reading social theorists who changed the Welfare State from its original purpose of a safety net into a means of redistributing wealth, without realising that all their idealistic approach would achieve is a bunch of fat wasters with a massive sense of entitlement and no sense of responsibility. Having said that, I know several single people who have been jobless over the last few years who do end up in genuine hardship, unlike Alwyn and her type. Is it really that surprising that we end up with estates full of unwanted feral kids when producing a child is rewarded in this way ? Jerzei Balowski

11:57pm Tue 11 Sep 12

Disgusted31 says...

So hang on I'm working 37.5 hours a week to EARN £1200 and Olwyn gets £1100 for sitting on her lazy posterior?! I'm expected to run a house from my wage yet, all her housing / decorating etc needs have already been met and DON'T even come out of the £1100?!

I get abuse telling me to go 'back to my own country' yet my taxes are paying for the lazy likes of Olwyn and the rest of the 16-30 year olds on that estate without a job! Unbelievable! Its a real shambles! Absolutely disgusting, it makes me sick!
So hang on I'm working 37.5 hours a week to EARN £1200 and Olwyn gets £1100 for sitting on her lazy posterior?! I'm expected to run a house from my wage yet, all her housing / decorating etc needs have already been met and DON'T even come out of the £1100?! I get abuse telling me to go 'back to my own country' yet my taxes are paying for the lazy likes of Olwyn and the rest of the 16-30 year olds on that estate without a job! Unbelievable! Its a real shambles! Absolutely disgusting, it makes me sick! Disgusted31

12:13am Wed 12 Sep 12

chillax says...

Let us examine the facts contained in the broadcast:

1. Drugs: I dare say you'll find just as many small-time drug dealers operating in and around even the more affluent suburbs of Northern towns and cities. I trust the local police force (service?) will target those persons captured on film.

2. Anti-social behaviour: children being loud, gathering in groups, drinking, misbehaving. Hardly the stuff of nightmares nor isolated to sink estates, though I do worry for the future of some of those kids given their obvious social and communication problems.

3. Work-shy: we were presented with a 'single mother' who cannot or will not work (prescription drug dependency owing to and/or perpetuating her depression), a two-parent family struggling but powering through (the father was working), a third family of varying and forgettable qualities, and a handful of rather under-motivated young men. It is difficult to adequately judge an estate and its 2,000 strong community (too strong a word?) by such a small cross-section, but clearly those specific young men could and should be working, and (easy as it may be to state) it might benefit the lady's mental and physical health to take one of the jobs on offer, quit smoking and where possible reduce the amount of medication she was administering.

4. Cleanliness: boarded up shops, grafitti, rubbish in the streets/alleyways; rather nicely fits the template of the 'run down estate' doesn't it. However, take heed of the current economic 'climate' which has also affected many supposedly/relativel
y affluent areas across England and beyond. It should go without saying that one should respect one's environment, and particularly one's home. The prevalence of litter and poorly maintained gardens and driveways will certainly have an effect on the residents of any street/estate/town/c
ity, and only serves to perpetuate or exacerbate any existing perceptions of despair. People should have some pride in their home and area, and should feel personal shame if they cannot be bothered to modify their own or their offspring's behaviour.

And so, the programme ended without fanfare or promise of improvement - merely a grim tale of human woe. We all had a chance to feel a bit sympathetic for an hour, and be thankful we don't live in or very near that or any similar estate. One thing is stark: a person working is a person contributing; a happier/healthier person (one hopes); a person with some aspirations; a person with hope. Once the hope has gone, the rest follows, and in its wake come the vices.

Having said all that, and in the mean spirit, knee-jerk barbaric sensationalism of 'today's society' - and with a heavy dose of irony - of the lesser residents of Shadsworth, I don't know whether to cry with sadness, or shoot the lot of 'em.
Let us examine the facts contained in the broadcast: 1. Drugs: I dare say you'll find just as many small-time drug dealers operating in and around even the more affluent suburbs of Northern towns and cities. I trust the local police force (service?) will target those persons captured on film. 2. Anti-social behaviour: children being loud, gathering in groups, drinking, misbehaving. Hardly the stuff of nightmares nor isolated to sink estates, though I do worry for the future of some of those kids given their obvious social and communication problems. 3. Work-shy: we were presented with a 'single mother' who cannot or will not work (prescription drug dependency owing to and/or perpetuating her depression), a two-parent family struggling but powering through (the father was working), a third family of varying and forgettable qualities, and a handful of rather under-motivated young men. It is difficult to adequately judge an estate and its 2,000 strong community (too strong a word?) by such a small cross-section, but clearly those specific young men could and should be working, and (easy as it may be to state) it might benefit the lady's mental and physical health to take one of the jobs on offer, quit smoking and where possible reduce the amount of medication she was administering. 4. Cleanliness: boarded up shops, grafitti, rubbish in the streets/alleyways; rather nicely fits the template of the 'run down estate' doesn't it. However, take heed of the current economic 'climate' which has also affected many supposedly/relativel y affluent areas across England and beyond. It should go without saying that one should respect one's environment, and particularly one's home. The prevalence of litter and poorly maintained gardens and driveways will certainly have an effect on the residents of any street/estate/town/c ity, and only serves to perpetuate or exacerbate any existing perceptions of despair. People should have some pride in their home and area, and should feel personal shame if they cannot be bothered to modify their own or their offspring's behaviour. And so, the programme ended without fanfare or promise of improvement - merely a grim tale of human woe. We all had a chance to feel a bit sympathetic for an hour, and be thankful we don't live in or very near that or any similar estate. One thing is stark: a person working is a person contributing; a happier/healthier person (one hopes); a person with some aspirations; a person with hope. Once the hope has gone, the rest follows, and in its wake come the vices. Having said all that, and in the mean spirit, knee-jerk barbaric sensationalism of 'today's society' - and with a heavy dose of irony - of the lesser residents of Shadsworth, I don't know whether to cry with sadness, or shoot the lot of 'em. chillax

12:14am Wed 12 Sep 12

fireonthemountain says...

Some fantasic posts .

Hitting the nail on the head .

Politicians and Bankers .

Yep - I agree .

But - ask yourself some questions .

1 - would you like to live there ?

2 - would you open a shop there ?

3 - would you park your car there overnight ?

4 - would you employ either of those "ladies" in the photograph ?

----------------

Many years ago I was looking for employees in the Wigan / St Helens area . One bloke turned for the interview (Which was held in the local Job Centre) scruffy and drunk .

I told him to go away .

He got violent .

Thankfully Job Centre staff were there to calm him down .

He was "escorted from the premises" by The Police .

Why did they have him there for the interview anyway ?

The person who got the job is , in actual fact , now a well respected Police Sargeant - we still keep in touch . He is very grateful for my giving him his first chance in life .

Winners and Losers .

You choose what you want to be .
Some fantasic posts . Hitting the nail on the head . Politicians and Bankers . Yep - I agree . But - ask yourself some questions . 1 - would you like to live there ? 2 - would you open a shop there ? 3 - would you park your car there overnight ? 4 - would you employ either of those "ladies" in the photograph ? ---------------- Many years ago I was looking for employees in the Wigan / St Helens area . One bloke turned for the interview (Which was held in the local Job Centre) scruffy and drunk . I told him to go away . He got violent . Thankfully Job Centre staff were there to calm him down . He was "escorted from the premises" by The Police . Why did they have him there for the interview anyway ? The person who got the job is , in actual fact , now a well respected Police Sargeant - we still keep in touch . He is very grateful for my giving him his first chance in life . Winners and Losers . You choose what you want to be . fireonthemountain

12:34am Wed 12 Sep 12

Stone Island: says...

Mr Perfekt wrote:
Shadsworth is the most Scallyist place in Blackburn. They are all lazy **** and need a kick up the backside. Shadsworth estate is what gives BLACKburn a bad name. Flatten shad and replace it with Asians and mosques and businesses and the trash that's already there can do one to Rishton where the rest of em are.

Just my thoughts.......
Just your thoughts? Well keep them to yourself! Why do you refer to it as BLACKburn? Because it's full of you? If you don't like Blackburn, then **** off somewhere else!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Perfekt[/bold] wrote: Shadsworth is the most Scallyist place in Blackburn. They are all lazy **** and need a kick up the backside. Shadsworth estate is what gives BLACKburn a bad name. Flatten shad and replace it with Asians and mosques and businesses and the trash that's already there can do one to Rishton where the rest of em are. Just my thoughts.......[/p][/quote]Just your thoughts? Well keep them to yourself! Why do you refer to it as BLACKburn? Because it's full of you? If you don't like Blackburn, then **** off somewhere else! Stone Island:

12:41am Wed 12 Sep 12

Lynn_Blackburn says...

The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate
The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate Lynn_Blackburn

12:43am Wed 12 Sep 12

Lynn_Blackburn says...

where do you ive Mr Perfect? some people dont have a choice where they live. We make the most out of where we live.
where do you ive Mr Perfect? some people dont have a choice where they live. We make the most out of where we live. Lynn_Blackburn

1:06am Wed 12 Sep 12

Stone Island: says...

Lynn_Blackburn wrote:
The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate
"I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate" Unfortunately Lynn, the programme was made to highlight the problems in today's society, and it succeeded. Shadsworth was painted in a very bad light. Panorama have achieved exactly what they wanted.
[quote][p][bold]Lynn_Blackburn[/bold] wrote: The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate[/p][/quote]"I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate" Unfortunately Lynn, the programme was made to highlight the problems in today's society, and it succeeded. Shadsworth was painted in a very bad light. Panorama have achieved exactly what they wanted. Stone Island:

1:15am Wed 12 Sep 12

useyourhead says...

I wonder if the dealer thanked his dad yet for such a fabulous use of free primetime advertising lol!
I wonder if the dealer thanked his dad yet for such a fabulous use of free primetime advertising lol! useyourhead

1:16am Wed 12 Sep 12

Stone Island: says...

Lynn_Blackburn wrote:
where do you ive Mr Perfect? some people dont have a choice where they live. We make the most out of where we live.
I'd guess that he lives in Audley/Queens Park?
[quote][p][bold]Lynn_Blackburn[/bold] wrote: where do you ive Mr Perfect? some people dont have a choice where they live. We make the most out of where we live.[/p][/quote]I'd guess that he lives in Audley/Queens Park? Stone Island:

1:39am Wed 12 Sep 12

callisha says...

GIBUCK wrote:
Thank god, I love fact based programmes ..... Street corner drug dealers Broken families needing help Drunks Teenage yobs destined prison Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents Hard-pressed police struggling to cope Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys .........THAT IS FACT ................
all the people in the documentary were paid off . go visit there houses and see for yourself ! people carrier for vicky (they only got £2 a week left !) they never been in such a position I KNOIW . ollie as known locally always intoxicated being walked home by yoshi past midnight (wheres children services?) she as no driving license etc but now also owns a people carrier and jordan now drives a brand new moped ?
drunkard yobs and junkies hanging around ballentrea shops selling on the corner are from the hostal that was previously a elderly care home not the estate attracted to the cheap booze shop both are owned by muslims who dont care who they house or how much beer they sell.
now thats the facts .
can we really trust what we see on the tv ?? answer is no.
[quote][p][bold]GIBUCK[/bold] wrote: Thank god, I love fact based programmes ..... Street corner drug dealers Broken families needing help Drunks Teenage yobs destined prison Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents Hard-pressed police struggling to cope Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys .........THAT IS FACT ................[/p][/quote]all the people in the documentary were paid off . go visit there houses and see for yourself ! people carrier for vicky (they only got £2 a week left !) they never been in such a position I KNOIW . ollie as known locally always intoxicated being walked home by yoshi past midnight (wheres children services?) she as no driving license etc but now also owns a people carrier and jordan now drives a brand new moped ? drunkard yobs and junkies hanging around ballentrea shops selling on the corner are from the hostal that was previously a elderly care home not the estate attracted to the cheap booze shop both are owned by muslims who dont care who they house or how much beer they sell. now thats the facts . can we really trust what we see on the tv ?? answer is no. callisha

2:01am Wed 12 Sep 12

egbutnobacon says...

Such a shame to see. It ignored many positive aspects of the people who live there.
I grew up there in the 70's. People had jobs then, and took pride in their community.
We left in 78 as it was " getting rough".
Such a shame to see. It ignored many positive aspects of the people who live there. I grew up there in the 70's. People had jobs then, and took pride in their community. We left in 78 as it was " getting rough". egbutnobacon

2:15am Wed 12 Sep 12

callisha says...

Lynn_Blackburn wrote:
The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate
they did film some decent folk but never used the footage.
they filmed myself and family of seven , our family business which employs four in the office and out on site and our home etc. we didnt show up ourselves our neighbours or the the area we live in we told the truth but it didnt serve the BBC's purpose.
i live a minutes walk from "ollies" house .all my neighbours own there own houses and are employed we are not thugs from the gutter just honest people trying our best .

.
[quote][p][bold]Lynn_Blackburn[/bold] wrote: The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate[/p][/quote]they did film some decent folk but never used the footage. they filmed myself and family of seven , our family business which employs four in the office and out on site and our home etc. we didnt show up ourselves our neighbours or the the area we live in we told the truth but it didnt serve the BBC's purpose. i live a minutes walk from "ollies" house .all my neighbours own there own houses and are employed we are not thugs from the gutter just honest people trying our best . . callisha

2:20am Wed 12 Sep 12

callisha says...

roversjeff wrote:
Typical BBC - Full of Lies!!!
gotta agree take it you live local. cause it seems no one listens buddy . you gotta see it with your own eyes.
[quote][p][bold]roversjeff[/bold] wrote: Typical BBC - Full of Lies!!![/p][/quote]gotta agree take it you live local. cause it seems no one listens buddy . you gotta see it with your own eyes. callisha

2:26am Wed 12 Sep 12

callisha says...

Black Car Guy. wrote:
I wonder if they will show Shadsworth House. It was an old folks home but now it is full of peados and odd balls. Maybe the drug dealers are selling to them in the house?
shad house as always been a worry since the new owners took it over and opened a "hostel" and its now spilling to the cheap booze shop on ballentrea .
[quote][p][bold]Black Car Guy.[/bold] wrote: I wonder if they will show Shadsworth House. It was an old folks home but now it is full of peados and odd balls. Maybe the drug dealers are selling to them in the house?[/p][/quote]shad house as always been a worry since the new owners took it over and opened a "hostel" and its now spilling to the cheap booze shop on ballentrea . callisha

7:51am Wed 12 Sep 12

AnthonyUK says...

Twin Valley Homes should have ZERO TOLERANCE of drug misuse and antisocial behaviour in their properties and evict those responsible instead of giving those people multiple chances which they abuse(and they should be blacklisted once evicted so NOBODY wants to house them. That would solve the problems.
Twin Valley Homes should have ZERO TOLERANCE of drug misuse and antisocial behaviour in their properties and evict those responsible instead of giving those people multiple chances which they abuse(and they should be blacklisted once evicted so NOBODY wants to house them. That would solve the problems. AnthonyUK

8:09am Wed 12 Sep 12

madari says...

Madari the snake charmer says:

Build a mosque there ......problem solved....!!!
Madari the snake charmer says: Build a mosque there ......problem solved....!!! madari

8:12am Wed 12 Sep 12

happycyclist says...

Well done Jessie Volkert's parents. You must be really proud.
Well done Jessie Volkert's parents. You must be really proud. happycyclist

8:20am Wed 12 Sep 12

Manuel Hung says...

Luke_Skywalker wrote:
Even the cats and dogs go around in pairs around that estate.
It's that rough you have even got to take your door step in at night!
[quote][p][bold]Luke_Skywalker[/bold] wrote: Even the cats and dogs go around in pairs around that estate.[/p][/quote]It's that rough you have even got to take your door step in at night! Manuel Hung

8:49am Wed 12 Sep 12

Plasticbertrand says...

After watching Panarama my views of Chief Supt Bob Eastwood have been confirmed. The sad thing is that our community charge is paying for this inaffective joker to hide in his office and ignore the cesspitt that is forming outside the walls of his shiny headquarters at Greenbank. Middlesborough got Ray Mallon to sort their streets out and we the equivalent of Mr Humphries in a Police uniform.
After watching Panarama my views of Chief Supt Bob Eastwood have been confirmed. The sad thing is that our community charge is paying for this inaffective joker to hide in his office and ignore the cesspitt that is forming outside the walls of his shiny headquarters at Greenbank. Middlesborough got Ray Mallon to sort their streets out and we the equivalent of Mr Humphries in a Police uniform. Plasticbertrand

8:54am Wed 12 Sep 12

Plasticbertrand says...

RUinsane wrote:
Find them all a job and you would have peace and harmony. The answer is shut the borders, stop importing slave labour and give everyone a job.
Sorted.
At least the imported slave labour actually wants to work. Cut the benefits and make them work, even if it is cleaning up the borough that they are quite happy to defecate on.
[quote][p][bold]RUinsane[/bold] wrote: Find them all a job and you would have peace and harmony. The answer is shut the borders, stop importing slave labour and give everyone a job. Sorted.[/p][/quote]At least the imported slave labour actually wants to work. Cut the benefits and make them work, even if it is cleaning up the borough that they are quite happy to defecate on. Plasticbertrand

8:55am Wed 12 Sep 12

stevieababy100 says...

All of these estates get millions spent on them & still naively the Government and local services say these people need help. All I saw from the people in the programme was dis functionality, excuses why they couldn't or don't want to work & Oshi's Mum well....poor thing being on "so many benefits" she still managed to swig back a bottle of wine every night and smoke some dope. Parenting classes aren't what these people need but a kick up the a**e! It is a shame because I'm sure there are far more hard working and well behaved families on the estate who have to watch day after day the foolish Council teams and Police spending both a disproportionate amount of time and money dealing with these "troubled" families and yuffs!!!! Waste or time and money, spend it on the families who actually would benefit from the money and have already shown they can be part of Society!
All of these estates get millions spent on them & still naively the Government and local services say these people need help. All I saw from the people in the programme was dis functionality, excuses why they couldn't or don't want to work & Oshi's Mum well....poor thing being on "so many benefits" she still managed to swig back a bottle of wine every night and smoke some dope. Parenting classes aren't what these people need but a kick up the a**e! It is a shame because I'm sure there are far more hard working and well behaved families on the estate who have to watch day after day the foolish Council teams and Police spending both a disproportionate amount of time and money dealing with these "troubled" families and yuffs!!!! Waste or time and money, spend it on the families who actually would benefit from the money and have already shown they can be part of Society! stevieababy100

9:07am Wed 12 Sep 12

ladysal says...

callisha wrote:
Lynn_Blackburn wrote: The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate
they did film some decent folk but never used the footage. they filmed myself and family of seven , our family business which employs four in the office and out on site and our home etc. we didnt show up ourselves our neighbours or the the area we live in we told the truth but it didnt serve the BBC's purpose. i live a minutes walk from "ollies" house .all my neighbours own there own houses and are employed we are not thugs from the gutter just honest people trying our best . .
I know just what you mean.
I used to live in Wythenshawe in an ex council house. All the houses surrounding it were also privately owned, mostly by retired fine upstanding citizens. Unfortunately, we also lived less than a minutes walk away from the Wythenshawe estate which everyone will know from the telly: it more than gives Shad a run for its money: I think it might even have been the estate / lifestyle which many in Shad model themsleve on.
Unfortunately, you and your neighbours are boring and don't fit the stereotype that the BBC are trying to promote, so you wil be ignored.

Whilst I am under no illusions as to the veracity of a lot of what last night'd programme stated, what annoyed me most was:
1) the inference that this was how everybody there (and by association therefore most of Blackburn) lived their lives.
2) The fact that the people who were featured got so much money from benefits. My husband and I both work and earn around the same as they got paid out. Our car is thirteen years old (hubby works in Bolton so we need it) and we are currently trying to rejig our budget to pay for a leaky roof. I guess that some of those scroungers will just have to pick up their phone and it will be sortedin a moment....... Where did we go wrong? Trying to give our daughter a strong work ethic by example?
[quote][p][bold]callisha[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lynn_Blackburn[/bold] wrote: The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate[/p][/quote]they did film some decent folk but never used the footage. they filmed myself and family of seven , our family business which employs four in the office and out on site and our home etc. we didnt show up ourselves our neighbours or the the area we live in we told the truth but it didnt serve the BBC's purpose. i live a minutes walk from "ollies" house .all my neighbours own there own houses and are employed we are not thugs from the gutter just honest people trying our best . .[/p][/quote]I know just what you mean. I used to live in Wythenshawe in an ex council house. All the houses surrounding it were also privately owned, mostly by retired fine upstanding citizens. Unfortunately, we also lived less than a minutes walk away from the Wythenshawe estate which everyone will know from the telly: it more than gives Shad a run for its money: I think it might even have been the estate / lifestyle which many in Shad model themsleve on. Unfortunately, you and your neighbours are boring and don't fit the stereotype that the BBC are trying to promote, so you wil be ignored. Whilst I am under no illusions as to the veracity of a lot of what last night'd programme stated, what annoyed me most was: 1) the inference that this was how everybody there (and by association therefore most of Blackburn) lived their lives. 2) The fact that the people who were featured got so much money from benefits. My husband and I both work and earn around the same as they got paid out. Our car is thirteen years old (hubby works in Bolton so we need it) and we are currently trying to rejig our budget to pay for a leaky roof. I guess that some of those scroungers will just have to pick up their phone and it will be sortedin a moment....... Where did we go wrong? Trying to give our daughter a strong work ethic by example? ladysal

9:12am Wed 12 Sep 12

useyourhead says...

The sad fact is they will all be out and about today, 'EY DID YA SEE ME ONT TELLY?' they'll shout, proud as you like and blissfully unaware that they should be embarrassed, it's evolution in reverse. I wonder what they will be like in another few decades, probably will have evolved to be born with matching dna and no fingerprints!
The sad fact is they will all be out and about today, 'EY DID YA SEE ME ONT TELLY?' they'll shout, proud as you like and blissfully unaware that they should be embarrassed, it's evolution in reverse. I wonder what they will be like in another few decades, probably will have evolved to be born with matching dna and no fingerprints! useyourhead

9:15am Wed 12 Sep 12

Frisson says...

Watched the show last night and just confirmed what I have written earlier. Shad has and still is a sh1t hole. That moose Alwyn was lying through her false teeth when the guy asked her about if she was offered a job and she went on saying about anti depressants etc etc. I know people on them who work. She is just lazy and wants to live on hand outs for the rest of her life. Also, smoking drugs in front of your kids!!! What the eff is that all about? I know people of the rock n role who have got to go to the job centre every 2 weeks to sign in and prove they are looking for work or the money gets stopped, whay is this not applicaple to that entire estate?

Just to rub it in more, Im glad I listened at school, didnt fight, was disciplined off my parents if I did anything wrong so I have now gone on to get all my GCSE's, HNC, HND and I earn well over 30k a year!!! Just shows what parents could actually achieve if they implemented a little bit of dicipline i their own lives as well as their kids!!!
Watched the show last night and just confirmed what I have written earlier. Shad has and still is a sh1t hole. That moose Alwyn was lying through her false teeth when the guy asked her about if she was offered a job and she went on saying about anti depressants etc etc. I know people on them who work. She is just lazy and wants to live on hand outs for the rest of her life. Also, smoking drugs in front of your kids!!! What the eff is that all about? I know people of the rock n role who have got to go to the job centre every 2 weeks to sign in and prove they are looking for work or the money gets stopped, whay is this not applicaple to that entire estate? Just to rub it in more, Im glad I listened at school, didnt fight, was disciplined off my parents if I did anything wrong so I have now gone on to get all my GCSE's, HNC, HND and I earn well over 30k a year!!! Just shows what parents could actually achieve if they implemented a little bit of dicipline i their own lives as well as their kids!!! Frisson

9:28am Wed 12 Sep 12

midas says...

DanParker wrote:
ladybugshorticulture wrote: There is a community led project at Shadsworth off Oban drive GREENSLEEVES. It is for the community, led by the community. If the community wanted this facility then why does the project not have more support from the residents? Greensleeves is a new allotment growing project which is open to everyone of all ages. There are some teaching sessions for bitesize learning chunks to teach them how to garden and look after their own space. These are heavily attended by the young children but no adults. There is a small shop where produce grown on the site is for sale, but unless there is more support for this 'project' which the estate wanted then it will be 'another waste of money' as someone else said. SHADSWORTH ...... residents, if you all argue against this slander to yourselves then where are you? Why do you not stand up and make a difference, when offered help, funding and support do you not grab it with both hands and get out there and change where you live? You might find its far more interesting than Jeremy Kyle !!!! If you want to make the outside world change their opinion of you then educate the minority of you that are causing these problems. I will probably be slated for writing this however, the truth hurts. The problems on the estate are real and only standing together and changing your ways will make the rest of the world listen that your not everything they say you are. I say we invite the TV cameras back in 18 months and YOU all prove us wrong????? Anyone interested in GREENSLEEVES please contact Ian McHugh onTuesday 1-4? Maybe people have to work, pick up children from school? A gardening club? Why not funding for an interview guidance or how to write an appealing CV instead for the people who aren't in work? So before mouthing off airing what are probably you're own interests ladybugsHORTICULTURE have a think about it. I'm from Shadsworth, I work and I know it's no garden of roses but I couldn't care less about a gardening club. When I'm retired and when we have a bloody summer maybe. Possibly that's why no one attends your classes.You might not care (seemingly like the rest os the estate) but you, unlike many there have a job - do people point and stare at you when you set off to work? The least they could do is line the streets and cheer you on your way!
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What about the people who don't work, the ones whinning that they haven't got enough money for food, the ones that are bored or have "nothing to look forward to"?
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"Maybe people have to work" - you are a joker aren't you!
[quote][p][bold]DanParker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ladybugshorticulture[/bold] wrote: There is a community led project at Shadsworth off Oban drive GREENSLEEVES. It is for the community, led by the community. If the community wanted this facility then why does the project not have more support from the residents? Greensleeves is a new allotment growing project which is open to everyone of all ages. There are some teaching sessions for bitesize learning chunks to teach them how to garden and look after their own space. These are heavily attended by the young children but no adults. There is a small shop where produce grown on the site is for sale, but unless there is more support for this 'project' which the estate wanted then it will be 'another waste of money' as someone else said. SHADSWORTH ...... residents, if you all argue against this slander to yourselves then where are you? Why do you not stand up and make a difference, when offered help, funding and support do you not grab it with both hands and get out there and change where you live? You might find its far more interesting than Jeremy Kyle !!!! If you want to make the outside world change their opinion of you then educate the minority of you that are causing these problems. I will probably be slated for writing this however, the truth hurts. The problems on the estate are real and only standing together and changing your ways will make the rest of the world listen that your not everything they say you are. I say we invite the TV cameras back in 18 months and YOU all prove us wrong????? Anyone interested in GREENSLEEVES please contact Ian McHugh onTuesday 1-4? Maybe people have to work, pick up children from school? A gardening club? Why not funding for an interview guidance or how to write an appealing CV instead for the people who aren't in work? So before mouthing off airing what are probably you're own interests ladybugsHORTICULTURE have a think about it. I'm from Shadsworth, I work and I know it's no garden of roses but I couldn't care less about a gardening club. When I'm retired and when we have a bloody summer maybe. Possibly that's why no one attends your classes.[/p][/quote]You might not care (seemingly like the rest os the estate) but you, unlike many there have a job - do people point and stare at you when you set off to work? The least they could do is line the streets and cheer you on your way! . What about the people who don't work, the ones whinning that they haven't got enough money for food, the ones that are bored or have "nothing to look forward to"? . "Maybe people have to work" - you are a joker aren't you! midas

9:42am Wed 12 Sep 12

stormy says...

Plasticbertrand wrote:
After watching Panarama my views of Chief Supt Bob Eastwood have been confirmed. The sad thing is that our community charge is paying for this inaffective joker to hide in his office and ignore the cesspitt that is forming outside the walls of his shiny headquarters at Greenbank. Middlesborough got Ray Mallon to sort their streets out and we the equivalent of Mr Humphries in a Police uniform.
Well said!!

After seeing this chap on TV last night I thought he was completely useless and didn't really give a hoot. I asked for a meeting with Eastwood regarding ineffective policing in my area a while ago but my request was refused.


He came across being interviewed as a complete 'softball'. Mr Eastwood - grow a pair and get areas like these sorted - do what you are plaid for!!
[quote][p][bold]Plasticbertrand[/bold] wrote: After watching Panarama my views of Chief Supt Bob Eastwood have been confirmed. The sad thing is that our community charge is paying for this inaffective joker to hide in his office and ignore the cesspitt that is forming outside the walls of his shiny headquarters at Greenbank. Middlesborough got Ray Mallon to sort their streets out and we the equivalent of Mr Humphries in a Police uniform.[/p][/quote]Well said!! After seeing this chap on TV last night I thought he was completely useless and didn't really give a hoot. I asked for a meeting with Eastwood regarding ineffective policing in my area a while ago but my request was refused. He came across being interviewed as a complete 'softball'. Mr Eastwood - grow a pair and get areas like these sorted - do what you are plaid for!! stormy

9:52am Wed 12 Sep 12

Kermit The Frog says...

And to think there are Blackburn people who dare to call Burnley residents Dingles!!

What a set of jobshy, feckless scrubbers. It was like watching Hills have Eyes - all the people featured probably had the same ugly gene, donated by their father/brother.

Yet more embarrassment for Blackburn - I wonder if they will have the brass neck to sing "Your dad's your mum' and other intelligent, genetically impossible and on the evidence of last night - massively hypocrytical songs when they play Burnley in December.

A wonderful advert for the town
And to think there are Blackburn people who dare to call Burnley residents Dingles!! What a set of jobshy, feckless scrubbers. It was like watching Hills have Eyes - all the people featured probably had the same ugly gene, donated by their father/brother. Yet more embarrassment for Blackburn - I wonder if they will have the brass neck to sing "Your dad's your mum' and other intelligent, genetically impossible and on the evidence of last night - massively hypocrytical songs when they play Burnley in December. A wonderful advert for the town Kermit The Frog

10:26am Wed 12 Sep 12

norah bhatty says...

The TV documentary did Blackburn no favours at all, but neither did some of the people who were featured.
One commented that she had had help for the likes of carpets decorating etc, and there she was bottle of wine visible, and a cigarette in hand, and she claimed she was depressed.
There are thousands of others depressed with all the cutbacks etc, but life is what you make it.
There are people who are genuinely on the bread line, but when wine is flowing, and cigarettes are bought, does this describe someone who should have financial support?
Many people would like their homes decorated for free, given the cost of decorating these days, but they have to cut their cloth according to their means.
I do not begrudge people who have nothing receiving aid, but wine and cigarettes (given the price they are today) are not a necessity by anyone's standards.
The TV gathered evidence as they saw it, so are they to blame?
The TV documentary did Blackburn no favours at all, but neither did some of the people who were featured. One commented that she had had help for the likes of carpets decorating etc, and there she was bottle of wine visible, and a cigarette in hand, and she claimed she was depressed. There are thousands of others depressed with all the cutbacks etc, but life is what you make it. There are people who are genuinely on the bread line, but when wine is flowing, and cigarettes are bought, does this describe someone who should have financial support? Many people would like their homes decorated for free, given the cost of decorating these days, but they have to cut their cloth according to their means. I do not begrudge people who have nothing receiving aid, but wine and cigarettes (given the price they are today) are not a necessity by anyone's standards. The TV gathered evidence as they saw it, so are they to blame? norah bhatty

10:27am Wed 12 Sep 12

HarryBosch says...

Lynn_Blackburn wrote:
The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate
Don't worry Lynn, the sensible people who are interested in this topic will see quite clearly that, of the 2,000 or more people who live on Shad, the documentary centers on around less than 2%. All kids start out the same, sweet and innocent. Its how they're brought up that forms them. Who instill's in them their morals, values and principals. So when you look at the likes of Olwen or Ed & Sue it makes you ask what chance do they have.Whats more frightening is that the likes of Jesse Volkirk and his hangers on, who always gravitate back to the estate, are inevitably the parents of tomorrow! There has got to be a strong case for a government policy of paying benefit support for one child only. Maybe then people will realise that, along with rights come responsibilities. The first responsibility being contraception!
[quote][p][bold]Lynn_Blackburn[/bold] wrote: The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate[/p][/quote]Don't worry Lynn, the sensible people who are interested in this topic will see quite clearly that, of the 2,000 or more people who live on Shad, the documentary centers on around less than 2%. All kids start out the same, sweet and innocent. Its how they're brought up that forms them. Who instill's in them their morals, values and principals. So when you look at the likes of Olwen or Ed & Sue it makes you ask what chance do they have.Whats more frightening is that the likes of Jesse Volkirk and his hangers on, who always gravitate back to the estate, are inevitably the parents of tomorrow! There has got to be a strong case for a government policy of paying benefit support for one child only. Maybe then people will realise that, along with rights come responsibilities. The first responsibility being contraception! HarryBosch

10:36am Wed 12 Sep 12

trigger57 says...

DEO VOLENTE wrote:
As we all know Shadsworth Estate is nowhere near the worst estate in the U.K. I can tell you from personal experience that there are far worse areas and far worse estates in Preston, Manchester, Nottingham, Birmingham, Liverpool, London and many other U.K. cities. Yes Shadsworth has its share of people who claim benefits, commit crime and dont want to contribute to society. On the other hand Shadsworth also has decent, honest educated, working people whose children dont get involved in criminality. Some of the comments posted thus far seem to be "tarring everyone with the same brush" which is unfair.The question that should be asked is why did the BPC choose to come to Blackburn? This programme is about "Deflection and Diversion" in short "Smoke and Mirrors". As we all know there are serious crimes being committed in Blackburn concerning the "grooming" of young White girls. These serious crimes have given certain "communities" a very bad press. There are also serious problems with drug dealing and the supply of class A drugs in Blackburn which have also given certain "communities" a very bad press. If you add to those issues Terrorism, White flight and the fact the town is "divided" by race, religion and colour the decision by the BBC to concentrate on an exclusively White estate in Blackburn with a bit of low level drug dealing, litter and ASB is highly questionable. Surely with all the serious criminality that exists in this "Northern ill Town" the BPC could have investigated some of the more pressing issues facing the town. Or would that give the game away completely? Easier to stick to portraying White working class people as criminals and scum, much easier. Shameless? the only shame evident here lies with the BPC, who in my honestly held opinion are too cowardly to address real crime and the real criminals.We deserve better we really do.

Deus Vobiscum
well said
[quote][p][bold]DEO VOLENTE[/bold] wrote: As we all know Shadsworth Estate is nowhere near the worst estate in the U.K. I can tell you from personal experience that there are far worse areas and far worse estates in Preston, Manchester, Nottingham, Birmingham, Liverpool, London and many other U.K. cities. Yes Shadsworth has its share of people who claim benefits, commit crime and dont want to contribute to society. On the other hand Shadsworth also has decent, honest educated, working people whose children dont get involved in criminality. Some of the comments posted thus far seem to be "tarring everyone with the same brush" which is unfair.The question that should be asked is why did the BPC choose to come to Blackburn? This programme is about "Deflection and Diversion" in short "Smoke and Mirrors". As we all know there are serious crimes being committed in Blackburn concerning the "grooming" of young White girls. These serious crimes have given certain "communities" a very bad press. There are also serious problems with drug dealing and the supply of class A drugs in Blackburn which have also given certain "communities" a very bad press. If you add to those issues Terrorism, White flight and the fact the town is "divided" by race, religion and colour the decision by the BBC to concentrate on an exclusively White estate in Blackburn with a bit of low level drug dealing, litter and ASB is highly questionable. Surely with all the serious criminality that exists in this "Northern ill Town" the BPC could have investigated some of the more pressing issues facing the town. Or would that give the game away completely? Easier to stick to portraying White working class people as criminals and scum, much easier. Shameless? the only shame evident here lies with the BPC, who in my honestly held opinion are too cowardly to address real crime and the real criminals.We deserve better we really do. Deus Vobiscum[/p][/quote]well said trigger57

10:59am Wed 12 Sep 12

tntoast says...

BritainfortheBritish wrote:
Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .
can some one explain £1100. a month in benifits i get up at 5.45 am every day do a 45 hour week and dont bring that much home from working about this was changed
[quote][p][bold]BritainfortheBritish[/bold] wrote: Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .[/p][/quote]can some one explain £1100. a month in benifits i get up at 5.45 am every day do a 45 hour week and dont bring that much home from working about this was changed tntoast

11:05am Wed 12 Sep 12

angel2012 says...

To be honest I think Jack Useless Straw is a joke, these people need to get out and get a job instead of living off the state... As one woman said in the programme she has better things to be doing than going down to the job centre every couple of weeks and they should leave her alone, WELL IF SHE GOT A JOB SHE WOULDNT HAVE TO GO TO THE JOB CENTER. There is a job out there for EVERYONE, but some people are just dragged up and don’t care about their self or society and are just LAZY!!! Another one said she gets £1100 a month to live on and feed her two children, and will get her rent and council tax paid for... most people don’t get that a month and work full time. Maybe we should all go out and have children and live off the state if people are getting that much money a month for doing so... It is an embarrassment to Blackburn, and an embarrassment to this country… These people don’t work, but find money for drugs, as I said before the ‘LADY’ who said she has better things to do with her time than go to the job centre and who is on benefits can afford to smoke, smoke illegal drugs, and also drink as it shown her do in the programme, also her teenage daughter smokes drugs, So my question is WHO IS PAYING FOR THESE DRUGS, DRINKS AND CIGARETTES? Well us the tax payers are doing, benefits are to live of week to week and not there for low life’s to get high off. There benefits should be stopped and she should be forced to get a job like the rest of us working people…
To be honest I think Jack Useless Straw is a joke, these people need to get out and get a job instead of living off the state... As one woman said in the programme she has better things to be doing than going down to the job centre every couple of weeks and they should leave her alone, WELL IF SHE GOT A JOB SHE WOULDNT HAVE TO GO TO THE JOB CENTER. There is a job out there for EVERYONE, but some people are just dragged up and don’t care about their self or society and are just LAZY!!! Another one said she gets £1100 a month to live on and feed her two children, and will get her rent and council tax paid for... most people don’t get that a month and work full time. Maybe we should all go out and have children and live off the state if people are getting that much money a month for doing so... It is an embarrassment to Blackburn, and an embarrassment to this country… These people don’t work, but find money for drugs, as I said before the ‘LADY’ who said she has better things to do with her time than go to the job centre and who is on benefits can afford to smoke, smoke illegal drugs, and also drink as it shown her do in the programme, also her teenage daughter smokes drugs, So my question is WHO IS PAYING FOR THESE DRUGS, DRINKS AND CIGARETTES? Well us the tax payers are doing, benefits are to live of week to week and not there for low life’s to get high off. There benefits should be stopped and she should be forced to get a job like the rest of us working people… angel2012

11:08am Wed 12 Sep 12

maggie-T says...

You can lay the blame squarely at the labour parties feet for creating a underclass of people who were given the choice to work or stay at home on benefits and get drunk, smoke dope or whatever, these people need help, giving them a cash bribe to stay in power only created a underclass of despair
You can lay the blame squarely at the labour parties feet for creating a underclass of people who were given the choice to work or stay at home on benefits and get drunk, smoke dope or whatever, these people need help, giving them a cash bribe to stay in power only created a underclass of despair maggie-T

11:17am Wed 12 Sep 12

Plasticbertrand says...

ladybugshorticulture wrote:
There is a community led project at Shadsworth off Oban drive GREENSLEEVES. It is for the community, led by the community. If the community wanted this facility then why does the project not have more support from the residents?
Greensleeves is a new allotment growing project which is open to everyone of all ages. There are some teaching sessions for bitesize learning chunks to teach them how to garden and look after their own space. These are heavily attended by the young children but no adults.

There is a small shop where produce grown on the site is for sale, but unless there is more support for this 'project' which the estate wanted then it will be 'another waste of money' as someone else said.

SHADSWORTH ...... residents, if you all argue against this slander to yourselves then where are you? Why do you not stand up and make a difference, when offered help, funding and support do you not grab it with both hands and get out there and change where you live?
You might find its far more interesting than Jeremy Kyle !!!!

If you want to make the outside world change their opinion of you then educate the minority of you that are causing these problems.

I will probably be slated for writing this however, the truth hurts. The problems on the estate are real and only standing together and changing your ways will make the rest of the world listen that your not everything they say you are.

I say we invite the TV cameras back in 18 months and YOU all prove us wrong?????

Anyone interested in GREENSLEEVES please contact Ian McHugh on 07714999382 for more information and the gardening club is Tuesday 1-4pm, Childrens gardening club, over 8's is Thursday 3.30 - 5.
Hopefully this will help some of them recognise the difference between cannabis and tomato plants.
[quote][p][bold]ladybugshorticulture[/bold] wrote: There is a community led project at Shadsworth off Oban drive GREENSLEEVES. It is for the community, led by the community. If the community wanted this facility then why does the project not have more support from the residents? Greensleeves is a new allotment growing project which is open to everyone of all ages. There are some teaching sessions for bitesize learning chunks to teach them how to garden and look after their own space. These are heavily attended by the young children but no adults. There is a small shop where produce grown on the site is for sale, but unless there is more support for this 'project' which the estate wanted then it will be 'another waste of money' as someone else said. SHADSWORTH ...... residents, if you all argue against this slander to yourselves then where are you? Why do you not stand up and make a difference, when offered help, funding and support do you not grab it with both hands and get out there and change where you live? You might find its far more interesting than Jeremy Kyle !!!! If you want to make the outside world change their opinion of you then educate the minority of you that are causing these problems. I will probably be slated for writing this however, the truth hurts. The problems on the estate are real and only standing together and changing your ways will make the rest of the world listen that your not everything they say you are. I say we invite the TV cameras back in 18 months and YOU all prove us wrong????? Anyone interested in GREENSLEEVES please contact Ian McHugh on 07714999382 for more information and the gardening club is Tuesday 1-4pm, Childrens gardening club, over 8's is Thursday 3.30 - 5.[/p][/quote]Hopefully this will help some of them recognise the difference between cannabis and tomato plants. Plasticbertrand

11:49am Wed 12 Sep 12

slimmy says...

darwen_celeb wrote:
And MP Jack Straw said: “Shadsworth is improving and I have visited far, far worse estates elsewhere in the country.”

The phrase 'best looking in the burns ward' springs to mind.
the stoops estate, burnley wood , danehouse, stoneyholme.........
... calon estate, ingol, lower penwortham.
then back to blackburn, whitebirk, highercroft, green lane, redlam, whalley range, audley range. all these have a higher crime rate than the shadsworth estate.
check for one selves check where you live, then come back slagging of the shadsworth estate !!!!!!!
i lived on here for 40 yrs i'm fine my kids are fineboth kids work they weren't in any trouble.
i've worked since i left school.

the programme only hand picked the worst people of the estate.... did you see it showing any decent people ? ( YES THE MAJORITY OF THE ESTATE IS VERY DECENT)

yes there is drugs, yes there is asb yes SOME people don't or even wont work.
doesn't every estate have these people ????????????
[quote][p][bold]darwen_celeb[/bold] wrote: And MP Jack Straw said: “Shadsworth is improving and I have visited far, far worse estates elsewhere in the country.” The phrase 'best looking in the burns ward' springs to mind.[/p][/quote]the stoops estate, burnley wood , danehouse, stoneyholme......... ... calon estate, ingol, lower penwortham. then back to blackburn, whitebirk, highercroft, green lane, redlam, whalley range, audley range. all these have a higher crime rate than the shadsworth estate. check for one selves check where you live, then come back slagging of the shadsworth estate !!!!!!! i lived on here for 40 yrs i'm fine my kids are fineboth kids work they weren't in any trouble. i've worked since i left school. the programme only hand picked the worst people of the estate.... did you see it showing any decent people ? ( YES THE MAJORITY OF THE ESTATE IS VERY DECENT) yes there is drugs, yes there is asb yes SOME people don't or even wont work. doesn't every estate have these people ???????????? slimmy

11:51am Wed 12 Sep 12

slimmy says...

slimmy wrote:
darwen_celeb wrote:
And MP Jack Straw said: “Shadsworth is improving and I have visited far, far worse estates elsewhere in the country.”

The phrase 'best looking in the burns ward' springs to mind.
the stoops estate, burnley wood , danehouse, stoneyholme.........

... calon estate, ingol, lower penwortham.
then back to blackburn, whitebirk, highercroft, green lane, redlam, whalley range, audley range. all these have a higher crime rate than the shadsworth estate.
check for one selves check where you live, then come back slagging of the shadsworth estate !!!!!!!
i lived on here for 40 yrs i'm fine my kids are fineboth kids work they weren't in any trouble.
i've worked since i left school.

the programme only hand picked the worst people of the estate.... did you see it showing any decent people ? ( YES THE MAJORITY OF THE ESTATE IS VERY DECENT)

yes there is drugs, yes there is asb yes SOME people don't or even wont work.
doesn't every estate have these people ????????????
oh dear, i forgot the link for you to check
http://www.direct.go
v.uk/en/Diol1/DoItOn
line/WP/DG_WP193625
[quote][p][bold]slimmy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]darwen_celeb[/bold] wrote: And MP Jack Straw said: “Shadsworth is improving and I have visited far, far worse estates elsewhere in the country.” The phrase 'best looking in the burns ward' springs to mind.[/p][/quote]the stoops estate, burnley wood , danehouse, stoneyholme......... ... calon estate, ingol, lower penwortham. then back to blackburn, whitebirk, highercroft, green lane, redlam, whalley range, audley range. all these have a higher crime rate than the shadsworth estate. check for one selves check where you live, then come back slagging of the shadsworth estate !!!!!!! i lived on here for 40 yrs i'm fine my kids are fineboth kids work they weren't in any trouble. i've worked since i left school. the programme only hand picked the worst people of the estate.... did you see it showing any decent people ? ( YES THE MAJORITY OF THE ESTATE IS VERY DECENT) yes there is drugs, yes there is asb yes SOME people don't or even wont work. doesn't every estate have these people ????????????[/p][/quote]oh dear, i forgot the link for you to check http://www.direct.go v.uk/en/Diol1/DoItOn line/WP/DG_WP193625 slimmy

12:19pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Hendog says...

If anybody watched the programme it was actually the residents who slated the area and said they wanted to leave nobody else. Has nobody actually thought that Shadsworth's unfortunate similalarity to the name Chatsworth might have been some of the driving force behind choosing that area?

This social document or whatever youd like to call it highlighted nothing more than there are sections of society whereby children are doomed to fail without central intervention. The cause of each and every problem on that estate was a result of parenting.
Children never punished, unwillingness to work, "i am owed this" mentality, youth crime, drugs, alcohol abuse. etc. etc.

Now, whether other social and economical factors then exacerbate that is up up for discussion but undeniabley these inherently poor individuals all had enough money for the old addage of sky tv, drugs and alcohol. That is not poverty it is ridicolously selfish budgeting which will cause the helpless (i.e. the children) to be doomed to a life of sitting in the corner of that room smoking a fag whilst your kids run around the estate..."n that!"
If anybody watched the programme it was actually the residents who slated the area and said they wanted to leave nobody else. Has nobody actually thought that Shadsworth's unfortunate similalarity to the name Chatsworth might have been some of the driving force behind choosing that area? This social document or whatever youd like to call it highlighted nothing more than there are sections of society whereby children are doomed to fail without central intervention. The cause of each and every problem on that estate was a result of parenting. Children never punished, unwillingness to work, "i am owed this" mentality, youth crime, drugs, alcohol abuse. etc. etc. Now, whether other social and economical factors then exacerbate that is up up for discussion but undeniabley these inherently poor individuals all had enough money for the old addage of sky tv, drugs and alcohol. That is not poverty it is ridicolously selfish budgeting which will cause the helpless (i.e. the children) to be doomed to a life of sitting in the corner of that room smoking a fag whilst your kids run around the estate..."n that!" Hendog

12:28pm Wed 12 Sep 12

slimmy says...

Hendog wrote:
If anybody watched the programme it was actually the residents who slated the area and said they wanted to leave nobody else. Has nobody actually thought that Shadsworth's unfortunate similalarity to the name Chatsworth might have been some of the driving force behind choosing that area?

This social document or whatever youd like to call it highlighted nothing more than there are sections of society whereby children are doomed to fail without central intervention. The cause of each and every problem on that estate was a result of parenting.
Children never punished, unwillingness to work, "i am owed this" mentality, youth crime, drugs, alcohol abuse. etc. etc.

Now, whether other social and economical factors then exacerbate that is up up for discussion but undeniabley these inherently poor individuals all had enough money for the old addage of sky tv, drugs and alcohol. That is not poverty it is ridicolously selfish budgeting which will cause the helpless (i.e. the children) to be doomed to a life of sitting in the corner of that room smoking a fag whilst your kids run around the estate..."n that!"
believe me.... that certain person who said they wanted of the estate...... has actually helped to run the place down. i know this from fact... the sooner the likes of them move off the estate and maybe to CHATSWORTH the better !!!!
CLOWN !!
[quote][p][bold]Hendog[/bold] wrote: If anybody watched the programme it was actually the residents who slated the area and said they wanted to leave nobody else. Has nobody actually thought that Shadsworth's unfortunate similalarity to the name Chatsworth might have been some of the driving force behind choosing that area? This social document or whatever youd like to call it highlighted nothing more than there are sections of society whereby children are doomed to fail without central intervention. The cause of each and every problem on that estate was a result of parenting. Children never punished, unwillingness to work, "i am owed this" mentality, youth crime, drugs, alcohol abuse. etc. etc. Now, whether other social and economical factors then exacerbate that is up up for discussion but undeniabley these inherently poor individuals all had enough money for the old addage of sky tv, drugs and alcohol. That is not poverty it is ridicolously selfish budgeting which will cause the helpless (i.e. the children) to be doomed to a life of sitting in the corner of that room smoking a fag whilst your kids run around the estate..."n that!"[/p][/quote]believe me.... that certain person who said they wanted of the estate...... has actually helped to run the place down. i know this from fact... the sooner the likes of them move off the estate and maybe to CHATSWORTH the better !!!! CLOWN !! slimmy

2:22pm Wed 12 Sep 12

matty hughes says...

THE SHADSWORTH ESTATE MIGHT BE A SHITHOLE BUT ITS OUR SHITHOLE F**KIN LOVE IT
THE SHADSWORTH ESTATE MIGHT BE A SHITHOLE BUT ITS OUR SHITHOLE F**KIN LOVE IT matty hughes

2:31pm Wed 12 Sep 12

ka1991 says...

Marky mark wrote:
bubble of reason wrote:
makaveli96 wrote:
s_smith wrote:
I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?
Who, the one with the tash?
Also 20 Lambert and Butler sticking out of pocket????? Bet it is like a Ghost Town Up Shad 9 p.m till 10 p.m... Get Detector Vans round!!!
"quality"
seriously? youre actually going to stoop that low as to comment on a persons looks, you obviously have some serious insecurities!
have you any idea who these people are, the one on the right is my mum. she, along with others, have put so many unpaid hours into that community, so much time and effort into helping others! running a breakfast club week in week out bringing the community together whilst putting on job clubs and helping people do their CVs, she also runs a bingo club, getting the older people from the estate out of their houses and giving them a way to see their friends in a warm and friendly environment. She is also on the resident association, campaigned to keep the community center open, arranged carnivals, football tournaments, jeez i could go on forever!!
This woman has also raised three brilliant children on this estate! the first, me, left home at 18 to go to university, currently in my final year and on the path to a first class honors and had a job, sometimes two, since leaving school. Her second child, soon to be leaving home to go to university and also has a job. Her third child, currently in school on track to be passing all her GCSEs with flying colours. None of us have EVER gone without, we have all been raised with a great work ethic and none of us have ever been in trouble with the police! and guess what? this is your typical story of your typical family who live on this estate! the majority of the people who live on the estate are good honest people! so who the hell are you to judge? what do you know? clearly absolutely NOTHING!
[quote][p][bold]Marky mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bubble of reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]makaveli96[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_smith[/bold] wrote: I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?[/p][/quote]Who, the one with the tash?[/p][/quote]Also 20 Lambert and Butler sticking out of pocket????? Bet it is like a Ghost Town Up Shad 9 p.m till 10 p.m... Get Detector Vans round!!![/p][/quote]"quality"[/p][/quote]seriously? youre actually going to stoop that low as to comment on a persons looks, you obviously have some serious insecurities! have you any idea who these people are, the one on the right is my mum. she, along with others, have put so many unpaid hours into that community, so much time and effort into helping others! running a breakfast club week in week out bringing the community together whilst putting on job clubs and helping people do their CVs, she also runs a bingo club, getting the older people from the estate out of their houses and giving them a way to see their friends in a warm and friendly environment. She is also on the resident association, campaigned to keep the community center open, arranged carnivals, football tournaments, jeez i could go on forever!! This woman has also raised three brilliant children on this estate! the first, me, left home at 18 to go to university, currently in my final year and on the path to a first class honors and had a job, sometimes two, since leaving school. Her second child, soon to be leaving home to go to university and also has a job. Her third child, currently in school on track to be passing all her GCSEs with flying colours. None of us have EVER gone without, we have all been raised with a great work ethic and none of us have ever been in trouble with the police! and guess what? this is your typical story of your typical family who live on this estate! the majority of the people who live on the estate are good honest people! so who the hell are you to judge? what do you know? clearly absolutely NOTHING! ka1991

3:51pm Wed 12 Sep 12

earthmum says...

matty hughes wrote:
Carl_24 wrote:
I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!!
That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above -

Street corner drug dealers
Broken families needing help
Drunks
Teenage yobs destined prison
Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents
Hard-pressed police struggling to cope
Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys

All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site -

"Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably.For a leading Police Officer to say that drug dealing on street corners on shadsworth estate is not rife, may be true, especially if these incidents go unreported! however, what i do know, is that i live in an area of Blackburn which used to be a very "sought after" residential estate, and drug dealing and anti-social behaviour is "Rife". It is reported regularly, but it seems very little is seen to be done about it. The decent residents of Blackburn may very well be the majority, but a silent majority will do nothing to change things. please don't continue to wear the blinkers that MP's and High ranking police offices wear, Time to take the Kid Gloves off, and get tough. And if all else fails, we could send them all to appear on the Jeremy Kyle show, that way, we could keep the dealers off the streets for an hour!
[quote][p][bold]matty hughes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carl_24[/bold] wrote: I can't believe people on this pile of **** estate are already criticising the show before it's been shown I've seen folk on Facebook say 98% on the estate is a lovely place!!! That person must be high as a kite if they think that because they got that the wrong way round it's 98% of this estate that is nothing but trouble and the FACTS that are stated above - Street corner drug dealers Broken families needing help Drunks Teenage yobs destined prison Gangs causing mayhem for a few respectable residents Hard-pressed police struggling to cope Boarded up houses and shops linked by rubbish-strewn alleys All TRUE it p*sses me off when there's drug dealers dealing right across from my house, when ever I go out with my fiancée we get abuse from drunks and drug addicts we're too scared to go out at night, you go out on to the park on rothesay road and there's nothing but needles, condoms and beer cans all over the floor and the chavs racing their motorbikes up and down Arran Trail near enough every day and Twin Valleys are doing absolutely feck all to help look on their site - "Nuisance neighbours may be in breach of their tenancy agreement. Unless you are suffering from serious acts of violence or harassment, the first thing to do is to speak to your neighbour to resolve things amicably.For a leading Police Officer to say that drug dealing on street corners on shadsworth estate is not rife, may be true, especially if these incidents go unreported! however, what i do know, is that i live in an area of Blackburn which used to be a very "sought after" residential estate, and drug dealing and anti-social behaviour is "Rife". It is reported regularly, but it seems very little is seen to be done about it. The decent residents of Blackburn may very well be the majority, but a silent majority will do nothing to change things. please don't continue to wear the blinkers that MP's and High ranking police offices wear, Time to take the Kid Gloves off, and get tough. And if all else fails, we could send them all to appear on the Jeremy Kyle show, that way, we could keep the dealers off the streets for an hour! earthmum

5:30pm Wed 12 Sep 12

debbie26pet says...

Of the subject but no wonder kids are naughty do crime the get to go to a school were they get trips out to France, etc, my kids work hard at school etc what reward they get?
Also they didn't go any further than the park, what about us at the top shad,
Yes we work etc and own our own house but I think now this documentary has just flattened the value of our houses keeping us here longer. Thank you
Of the subject but no wonder kids are naughty do crime the get to go to a school were they get trips out to France, etc, my kids work hard at school etc what reward they get? Also they didn't go any further than the park, what about us at the top shad, Yes we work etc and own our own house but I think now this documentary has just flattened the value of our houses keeping us here longer. Thank you debbie26pet

5:41pm Wed 12 Sep 12

VicLou says...

grabbi5 wrote:
VicLou wrote:
Im thinking I may have to work more than my full time hours to pay more tax to keep the likes of Alwyn in the life she is accustomed to .... she cant possibly get up early to go to work!!
Im doing overtime this weekend so i hope the extra tax i'll be paying will go to help this poor lady out!!
ha ha ..... its so good to know that someone else besides me cares about Alwyn's terrible plight!!!!
[quote][p][bold]grabbi5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VicLou[/bold] wrote: Im thinking I may have to work more than my full time hours to pay more tax to keep the likes of Alwyn in the life she is accustomed to .... she cant possibly get up early to go to work!![/p][/quote]Im doing overtime this weekend so i hope the extra tax i'll be paying will go to help this poor lady out!![/p][/quote]ha ha ..... its so good to know that someone else besides me cares about Alwyn's terrible plight!!!! VicLou

5:50pm Wed 12 Sep 12

davidl575 says...

i have lived here for over 20 years,own my own house have tthree children who have grown up on this estate i have worked for 35 years since i left school but no one asks us and about shadsworth house the drug dealers live there .most people on our street work and own their own house but no one cares .the bbc did not see anyone apart from the few droputs of society who exist on any large estate.what about saint pauls in bristol where they riot..i park my car outside every night sometimes unlocked no one has ever touched it my house or property.
i have lived here for over 20 years,own my own house have tthree children who have grown up on this estate i have worked for 35 years since i left school but no one asks us and about shadsworth house the drug dealers live there .most people on our street work and own their own house but no one cares .the bbc did not see anyone apart from the few droputs of society who exist on any large estate.what about saint pauls in bristol where they riot..i park my car outside every night sometimes unlocked no one has ever touched it my house or property. davidl575

7:03pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

RUinsane wrote:
Michael@ClitheroeSin

ce58
wrote:
BritainfortheBritish wrote:
Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .
Probably pays no rent as well
Probably has blue tattoos and a dog called Tyson.
I wonder if Tyson's on Bubble as well?
[quote][p][bold]RUinsane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BritainfortheBritish[/bold] wrote: Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .[/p][/quote]Probably pays no rent as well[/p][/quote]Probably has blue tattoos and a dog called Tyson.[/p][/quote]I wonder if Tyson's on Bubble as well? Michael@ClitheroeSince58

7:49pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Per Ardua says...

I feel sorry for the guy holding down two jobs for £100 a week when you have a lazy un-educated lowlife lording it up at £1100 a month. I bet she gets everything paid for, rent, council tax etc,whilst the working guy pays for everything and only has £2 left after bills. The kids really have no chance with parents like these; it's a self fulfilling prophecy, if you believe you are poor and education does not matter, then you will be poor and un-educated. Her parents were probably benefit scroungers too and so it goes on. Instead of paying these lazy,work shy,layabouts benefits for sitting around smoking drugs all day, get them out working in the community and don't pay them until they can prove they have done community work. As for the youngsters bad behaviour, chain them to a vaulting horse, wheel them all on at half time, Rovers fans could be done at Turf Moor, Burnley fans at Ewood then birch them; bet they wouldn't re-offend. That would be swift summary justice and it may bring the crowds back to football!!!
I feel sorry for the guy holding down two jobs for £100 a week when you have a lazy un-educated lowlife lording it up at £1100 a month. I bet she gets everything paid for, rent, council tax etc,whilst the working guy pays for everything and only has £2 left after bills. The kids really have no chance with parents like these; it's a self fulfilling prophecy, if you believe you are poor and education does not matter, then you will be poor and un-educated. Her parents were probably benefit scroungers too and so it goes on. Instead of paying these lazy,work shy,layabouts benefits for sitting around smoking drugs all day, get them out working in the community and don't pay them until they can prove they have done community work. As for the youngsters bad behaviour, chain them to a vaulting horse, wheel them all on at half time, Rovers fans could be done at Turf Moor, Burnley fans at Ewood then birch them; bet they wouldn't re-offend. That would be swift summary justice and it may bring the crowds back to football!!! Per Ardua

7:59pm Wed 12 Sep 12

goldiebambino says...

Ive lived on the Shadsworth estate uin the past and have come across Olwyn and her delinquent kids. Believe me when i say she is one nasty evil lazy ****!!! her kids grew up bullying other kids on the park and she doesnt give a S**t. she would get drunk and fight with neighbours in the street. Olwyn you should get off your fat arse and get a job!!! teach your children to respect other people and discipline bad behaviour then you wouldnt need parenting classes and my hard earned taxes that would be wasted on scum like you could be put to better use!!!
Ive lived on the Shadsworth estate uin the past and have come across Olwyn and her delinquent kids. Believe me when i say she is one nasty evil lazy ****!!! her kids grew up bullying other kids on the park and she doesnt give a S**t. she would get drunk and fight with neighbours in the street. Olwyn you should get off your fat arse and get a job!!! teach your children to respect other people and discipline bad behaviour then you wouldnt need parenting classes and my hard earned taxes that would be wasted on scum like you could be put to better use!!! goldiebambino

10:18pm Wed 12 Sep 12

abbo01 says...

allan1957 wrote:
BritainfortheBritish wrote:
Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .
Yep thats my monthly wage for working 39 hours a week
Should have tried harder at school then.
[quote][p][bold]allan1957[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BritainfortheBritish[/bold] wrote: Did i hear right ? Mother of 2 on £1100 a month on benefits . Beats working .[/p][/quote]Yep thats my monthly wage for working 39 hours a week[/p][/quote]Should have tried harder at school then. abbo01

11:17pm Wed 12 Sep 12

Pommie Art says...

Lyne said:
I Live on the Shasworth estate lived here for 11 years and i found this documentary quite gloomy, There are a lot of decent people on the Shadsworth estate that do look after their homes and go to work, I also am disgusted by many comments on here about retards etc I am not a retard and am offended by that statement...dont tar everyone with the same.

you may find there is a very small percentage of people living on the estate who activley work for a living, i would say if the place is like a no go area then its the people living on the estate who have made life like that Nobody else.
Until people start to educate themself & there kids its going to get worse, i do believe there are some decent people on that estate however thats a very small minority. people are happy in there own little confort zone & people get used to free handouts from the government they unfortuantley are playing the game of take take.

im happy i dont live on that estate, as a kid we lived on Mereclough Ave Green Lane, ive been told thats just as bad as the other estates now, rough as guts.
Lyne said: I Live on the Shasworth estate lived here for 11 years and i found this documentary quite gloomy, There are a lot of decent people on the Shadsworth estate that do look after their homes and go to work, I also am disgusted by many comments on here about retards etc I am not a retard and am offended by that statement...dont tar everyone with the same. you may find there is a very small percentage of people living on the estate who activley work for a living, i would say if the place is like a no go area then its the people living on the estate who have made life like that Nobody else. Until people start to educate themself & there kids its going to get worse, i do believe there are some decent people on that estate however thats a very small minority. people are happy in there own little confort zone & people get used to free handouts from the government they unfortuantley are playing the game of take take. im happy i dont live on that estate, as a kid we lived on Mereclough Ave Green Lane, ive been told thats just as bad as the other estates now, rough as guts. Pommie Art

2:13am Thu 13 Sep 12

Black Car Guy. says...

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7:50am Thu 13 Sep 12

AnthonyUK says...

TVH should get rid of layabout lazy tenants off their estates who let their kids pick on others and break the law. As for that parent who smokes weed in front of the kids she and others like her should be forced to take parenting classes compulsorily or lose their benefit and go to prison with their kids shoved into care. She's no parent as are others who do the same;they are chavs! And as for all these horrible kids in the documentary they should be severely punished not pandered to by dogooders and human rights bull! I'am fed up of NSPCC etc sticking up for these yobs and defending them;in my day as a kid you were smacked for wrongdoing today parents don't even do that and they stick up for their kids when they are complained about by others for their behaviour or the police bring them home drugged up to the eyeballs and drunk on alcohol which they shouldn't be getting hold of!
TVH should get rid of layabout lazy tenants off their estates who let their kids pick on others and break the law. As for that parent who smokes weed in front of the kids she and others like her should be forced to take parenting classes compulsorily or lose their benefit and go to prison with their kids shoved into care. She's no parent as are others who do the same;they are chavs! And as for all these horrible kids in the documentary they should be severely punished not pandered to by dogooders and human rights bull! I'am fed up of NSPCC etc sticking up for these yobs and defending them;in my day as a kid you were smacked for wrongdoing today parents don't even do that and they stick up for their kids when they are complained about by others for their behaviour or the police bring them home drugged up to the eyeballs and drunk on alcohol which they shouldn't be getting hold of! AnthonyUK

10:26am Thu 13 Sep 12

shellybelle says...

PANARAMA- I was born and bred on Shadsworth. To two hard working parents, who's work ethics were passed on to me and my siblings. I have worked since I was 16 apart from when I was on maternity. I trained in beauty therapy 10 years go after working in the retail industry since leaving school. Then in 2010 I graduated as a qualified tutor after studying for my certificate in education. I am currently studying for a degree in complementary medicine and will graduate next year.
I have 3 wonderful children who have morals and principles, and understand right from wrong. My 15yr old daughter is already showing strong work ethics and worked over summer. And has aspirations to do well in education and work. My stepson is a soldier who has lived with us on Shadsworth since he was 14, and he has not been held back, if anything he has grown into a wonderful person, as all my other children are. Not causing bother.
Shadsworth has a fantastic social inclusion programme which reaches out to all ages from Bingo, breakfast club, art club, creative club, fathers club, toddler group, majorettes &healthy living. Shadsworth residents have contributed enormously to society, there are nhs workers, county council workers,soldiers, teaching assistants, retail assistants, labourers and the list goes on.

Yes there is a handful of people on Shadsworth who spend their money/benefits on wine,cannabis and other drugs, which could be spent on carpets, wall paper, curtains,birthday and christmas presents, and clothes,etc etc however there are affluent estates such as Wilpshire, brockhall village, Langho where alcohol and drugs are a problem too. Living on Shadsworth or any other council does not give a person a predisposition to not having any high aspirations or problems with drugs and behaving inappropriate. It's about attitude and being positive. I would like to say a big thank you to all Shadsworth residents who have contributed and dedicated your lives to improving the lives of others through these difficult times, when government funding is being cut. Well Bloody done and keep up the hard work. Thank you from me and lots of other residents who appreciate their efforts, and stay positive don't let the negative people bring you down. Let's show everyone we are better than that. I've had positive feedback from clients who know people from Shadsworth who are disgusted at panoramas shock tv tactics. It's just a cheap trick to increase ratings and unfortunately it worked. Let's not give them the control to anger us. Let's move forward with are heads held high.
PANARAMA- I was born and bred on Shadsworth. To two hard working parents, who's work ethics were passed on to me and my siblings. I have worked since I was 16 apart from when I was on maternity. I trained in beauty therapy 10 years go after working in the retail industry since leaving school. Then in 2010 I graduated as a qualified tutor after studying for my certificate in education. I am currently studying for a degree in complementary medicine and will graduate next year. I have 3 wonderful children who have morals and principles, and understand right from wrong. My 15yr old daughter is already showing strong work ethics and worked over summer. And has aspirations to do well in education and work. My stepson is a soldier who has lived with us on Shadsworth since he was 14, and he has not been held back, if anything he has grown into a wonderful person, as all my other children are. Not causing bother. Shadsworth has a fantastic social inclusion programme which reaches out to all ages from Bingo, breakfast club, art club, creative club, fathers club, toddler group, majorettes &healthy living. Shadsworth residents have contributed enormously to society, there are nhs workers, county council workers,soldiers, teaching assistants, retail assistants, labourers and the list goes on. Yes there is a handful of people on Shadsworth who spend their money/benefits on wine,cannabis and other drugs, which could be spent on carpets, wall paper, curtains,birthday and christmas presents, and clothes,etc etc however there are affluent estates such as Wilpshire, brockhall village, Langho where alcohol and drugs are a problem too. Living on Shadsworth or any other council does not give a person a predisposition to not having any high aspirations or problems with drugs and behaving inappropriate. It's about attitude and being positive. I would like to say a big thank you to all Shadsworth residents who have contributed and dedicated your lives to improving the lives of others through these difficult times, when government funding is being cut. Well Bloody done and keep up the hard work. Thank you from me and lots of other residents who appreciate their efforts, and stay positive don't let the negative people bring you down. Let's show everyone we are better than that. I've had positive feedback from clients who know people from Shadsworth who are disgusted at panoramas shock tv tactics. It's just a cheap trick to increase ratings and unfortunately it worked. Let's not give them the control to anger us. Let's move forward with are heads held high. shellybelle

10:58am Thu 13 Sep 12

shellybelle says...

Fire Fly wrote:
Apologies for going on....Alwyn the lazy witch doesn't work, she chose to have 4 kids & then needs help from special care agents, the social to the de clutter n decorate....WTF am I missing, how come I have to go to work so I can decorate...i'm a single parent! I work, I pay my bills n whilst on a low wage get v little state help....my bloods boiling at the injustice. Alwyn wants euthanising!!!
?????? olwen dear
[quote][p][bold]Fire Fly[/bold] wrote: Apologies for going on....Alwyn the lazy witch doesn't work, she chose to have 4 kids & then needs help from special care agents, the social to the de clutter n decorate....WTF am I missing, how come I have to go to work so I can decorate...i'm a single parent! I work, I pay my bills n whilst on a low wage get v little state help....my bloods boiling at the injustice. Alwyn wants euthanising!!![/p][/quote]?????? olwen dear shellybelle

11:47am Thu 13 Sep 12

pinkpjs says...

In my opinion the programme was a deliberately constructed piece of political propaganda by the BBC who targeted residents of a northern council estate to support this government's aim to target and blame poor people for its 'austerity' cuts. It appears to have been designed to appeal to those who take as gospel what is written in other right wing media without question. If it sets residents against each other then this would appear to further compound the 'Broken Britain' myth, whereas, the truth, it seems is that many living in Shadsworth, in common with ordinary people across the country, are simply Broke in Britain.
In my opinion the programme was a deliberately constructed piece of political propaganda by the BBC who targeted residents of a northern council estate to support this government's aim to target and blame poor people for its 'austerity' cuts. It appears to have been designed to appeal to those who take as gospel what is written in other right wing media without question. If it sets residents against each other then this would appear to further compound the 'Broken Britain' myth, whereas, the truth, it seems is that many living in Shadsworth, in common with ordinary people across the country, are simply Broke in Britain. pinkpjs

11:57am Thu 13 Sep 12

Shear_Brilliance says...

I hate Shad horrible place I agree with the BBC to be fair the place is riddled with 12 year old kids fighting and drinking, smack heads, general unpleasant people and unkept houses.

Areas like Audley, Shadsworth and Highercroft make the rest of Blackburn look like a hole.

Start looking after yourselves and your houses for god sake I'm embaressed to say I used to live 5 minutes away.
I hate Shad horrible place I agree with the BBC to be fair the place is riddled with 12 year old kids fighting and drinking, smack heads, general unpleasant people and unkept houses. Areas like Audley, Shadsworth and Highercroft make the rest of Blackburn look like a hole. Start looking after yourselves and your houses for god sake I'm embaressed to say I used to live 5 minutes away. Shear_Brilliance

1:02pm Thu 13 Sep 12

ka1991 says...

pinkpjs wrote:
In my opinion the programme was a deliberately constructed piece of political propaganda by the BBC who targeted residents of a northern council estate to support this government's aim to target and blame poor people for its 'austerity' cuts. It appears to have been designed to appeal to those who take as gospel what is written in other right wing media without question. If it sets residents against each other then this would appear to further compound the 'Broken Britain' myth, whereas, the truth, it seems is that many living in Shadsworth, in common with ordinary people across the country, are simply Broke in Britain.
very true, and many many people still do not question the media!
[quote][p][bold]pinkpjs[/bold] wrote: In my opinion the programme was a deliberately constructed piece of political propaganda by the BBC who targeted residents of a northern council estate to support this government's aim to target and blame poor people for its 'austerity' cuts. It appears to have been designed to appeal to those who take as gospel what is written in other right wing media without question. If it sets residents against each other then this would appear to further compound the 'Broken Britain' myth, whereas, the truth, it seems is that many living in Shadsworth, in common with ordinary people across the country, are simply Broke in Britain.[/p][/quote]very true, and many many people still do not question the media! ka1991

1:31pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Ladysadie says...

I used to babysit up Shad a few years back, I kept the door locked at all times and did not relax until I was well out of the area on my way home afterwards, thanking my stars I didn't live there!
I used to babysit up Shad a few years back, I kept the door locked at all times and did not relax until I was well out of the area on my way home afterwards, thanking my stars I didn't live there! Ladysadie

3:53pm Thu 13 Sep 12

ghost of sceptic says...

pinkpjs wrote:
In my opinion the programme was a deliberately constructed piece of political propaganda by the BBC who targeted residents of a northern council estate to support this government's aim to target and blame poor people for its 'austerity' cuts. It appears to have been designed to appeal to those who take as gospel what is written in other right wing media without question. If it sets residents against each other then this would appear to further compound the 'Broken Britain' myth, whereas, the truth, it seems is that many living in Shadsworth, in common with ordinary people across the country, are simply Broke in Britain.
Well the lady who got around £1100 a month in benefits sure aint broke!
What did come to light is the lies of cameron and the tory party who said
they would make it pay for people to work rather than stay at home on benefits, i work a 37 hour week in the public sector and get the same salary as the lazy scum who sits on her fat arse all month.

LETS KICK OUT THE TORYS THE RULERS OF THIS LAND
FOR THEY ARE THE ENEMYS OF THE BRITISH
WORKING MAN!
[quote][p][bold]pinkpjs[/bold] wrote: In my opinion the programme was a deliberately constructed piece of political propaganda by the BBC who targeted residents of a northern council estate to support this government's aim to target and blame poor people for its 'austerity' cuts. It appears to have been designed to appeal to those who take as gospel what is written in other right wing media without question. If it sets residents against each other then this would appear to further compound the 'Broken Britain' myth, whereas, the truth, it seems is that many living in Shadsworth, in common with ordinary people across the country, are simply Broke in Britain.[/p][/quote]Well the lady who got around £1100 a month in benefits sure aint broke! What did come to light is the lies of cameron and the tory party who said they would make it pay for people to work rather than stay at home on benefits, i work a 37 hour week in the public sector and get the same salary as the lazy scum who sits on her fat arse all month. LETS KICK OUT THE TORYS THE RULERS OF THIS LAND FOR THEY ARE THE ENEMYS OF THE BRITISH WORKING MAN! ghost of sceptic

3:56pm Thu 13 Sep 12

davidl575 says...

Shear_Brilliance wrote:
I hate Shad horrible place I agree with the BBC to be fair the place is riddled with 12 year old kids fighting and drinking, smack heads, general unpleasant people and unkept houses.

Areas like Audley, Shadsworth and Highercroft make the rest of Blackburn look like a hole.

Start looking after yourselves and your houses for god sake I'm embaressed to say I used to live 5 minutes away.
glad you moved then
[quote][p][bold]Shear_Brilliance[/bold] wrote: I hate Shad horrible place I agree with the BBC to be fair the place is riddled with 12 year old kids fighting and drinking, smack heads, general unpleasant people and unkept houses. Areas like Audley, Shadsworth and Highercroft make the rest of Blackburn look like a hole. Start looking after yourselves and your houses for god sake I'm embaressed to say I used to live 5 minutes away.[/p][/quote]glad you moved then davidl575

3:59pm Thu 13 Sep 12

davidl575 says...

Ladysadie wrote:
I used to babysit up Shad a few years back, I kept the door locked at all times and did not relax until I was well out of the area on my way home afterwards, thanking my stars I didn't live there!
you got in and out no problem with unruly kids and drug dealers on every corner?
[quote][p][bold]Ladysadie[/bold] wrote: I used to babysit up Shad a few years back, I kept the door locked at all times and did not relax until I was well out of the area on my way home afterwards, thanking my stars I didn't live there![/p][/quote]you got in and out no problem with unruly kids and drug dealers on every corner? davidl575

6:22pm Thu 13 Sep 12

li1989 says...

The BBC stated that 2000 people live in Shadsworth, but they only focused on less than 10 people??! They didn't film anybody who does work full time, or pay there own rent ect... The BBC obv wanted to paint a bad picture. To be fair Shadsworth has been made out to be a lot worse than it actualy is. There is good and bad everywhere you, not just Shad!

I'm from Shad, I work, I'm a single mother, I pay for my son to go to the childminders, I pay my rent and council tax, and I'm in the age range of 18-30. I also know a lot of other people who work, drive, nice homes ect.

Who said the camera doesn't lie??

The lad that was filmed then went into prison. His parent are very respectable people, his mother a teacher, his dad works a well earned job. He got brought up very well, always had things, didn't need for nothing, but he obviously chose the wrong path to go down. None of his siblings have turned out like him, so don't blame the parents.

The family with the 4 kids and one moved away. The BBC didn't film the man battering the wife!! I'm not suprised the oldest moved, just wish he stayed away!

The cleaner and his wife who live of £2 a week, they didn't get filmed buying takeaways everynight! Well done for working a whole 7 hours a week, but I'm sure if you tried that little harder you could find a full time job. There's PLENTY out there!

And the single mother who earns £1100 a month. If you are on that much medication for whatever reason, I do feel sorry for you, must not be nice. But instead of smoking drugs and drinking, use that energy on making ureself to feel better. Send ure son to school, the piece and time to ureself might help. And one more thing, if you don't want ure son to hit the teachers in his next school (that's if you do send him) I'd stop teaching him to "Fight like a man" . You might be a nice lady when got to known, but ure morals are totaly wrong!

And to the people who are calling Mary in the picture, and saying the residents need to do something about it ... Did anybody notice that is what she is doing??! Don't see how people can call her for the way she looks in a picture.. Is just very sad!!

Like I said before, over 2000 people in Shad, were all not the same, we don't follow what everyone else does. Any town in any country has drugs, violence, benifits, joblessness, ect.. There good and bad anywhere you go, so don't see why everyone is going on like Shadsworth is the first area in the world to be like this!!

People make there own choices in life, choose how they want to live, same as the people who was filmed in this documentry. But the people who do choose to work, pay taxes, drug free, send children to school, none violent was NOT filmed for this documentry...

... So please think before you write comments like "Everyone in Shadsworth is scum" .. Or calling people who live in Shad. You did not see each and everyone of these people to judge them.

The BBC made Shad out to be that bad, and filmed the people they did, just for the fact they want good ratings. So yes ... The camera does lie ...
The BBC stated that 2000 people live in Shadsworth, but they only focused on less than 10 people??! They didn't film anybody who does work full time, or pay there own rent ect... The BBC obv wanted to paint a bad picture. To be fair Shadsworth has been made out to be a lot worse than it actualy is. There is good and bad everywhere you, not just Shad! I'm from Shad, I work, I'm a single mother, I pay for my son to go to the childminders, I pay my rent and council tax, and I'm in the age range of 18-30. I also know a lot of other people who work, drive, nice homes ect. Who said the camera doesn't lie?? The lad that was filmed then went into prison. His parent are very respectable people, his mother a teacher, his dad works a well earned job. He got brought up very well, always had things, didn't need for nothing, but he obviously chose the wrong path to go down. None of his siblings have turned out like him, so don't blame the parents. The family with the 4 kids and one moved away. The BBC didn't film the man battering the wife!! I'm not suprised the oldest moved, just wish he stayed away! The cleaner and his wife who live of £2 a week, they didn't get filmed buying takeaways everynight! Well done for working a whole 7 hours a week, but I'm sure if you tried that little harder you could find a full time job. There's PLENTY out there! And the single mother who earns £1100 a month. If you are on that much medication for whatever reason, I do feel sorry for you, must not be nice. But instead of smoking drugs and drinking, use that energy on making ureself to feel better. Send ure son to school, the piece and time to ureself might help. And one more thing, if you don't want ure son to hit the teachers in his next school (that's if you do send him) I'd stop teaching him to "Fight like a man" . You might be a nice lady when got to known, but ure morals are totaly wrong! And to the people who are calling Mary in the picture, and saying the residents need to do something about it ... Did anybody notice that is what she is doing??! Don't see how people can call her for the way she looks in a picture.. Is just very sad!! Like I said before, over 2000 people in Shad, were all not the same, we don't follow what everyone else does. Any town in any country has drugs, violence, benifits, joblessness, ect.. There good and bad anywhere you go, so don't see why everyone is going on like Shadsworth is the first area in the world to be like this!! People make there own choices in life, choose how they want to live, same as the people who was filmed in this documentry. But the people who do choose to work, pay taxes, drug free, send children to school, none violent was NOT filmed for this documentry... ... So please think before you write comments like "Everyone in Shadsworth is scum" .. Or calling people who live in Shad. You did not see each and everyone of these people to judge them. The BBC made Shad out to be that bad, and filmed the people they did, just for the fact they want good ratings. So yes ... The camera does lie ... li1989

6:31pm Thu 13 Sep 12

li1989 says...

happycyclist wrote:
Well done Jessie Volkert's parents. You must be really proud.
People make there own choices in life, and live it how they choose, just like this idiot chose the wrong path to go down. For what he has done he deserves to be in prison.

But don't aim this at his parents, his mum is a teacher, his dad has a very well earned job, they are very nice and respectable people. They brought all the children up in the best way possible, nice home, nice things, money, car, ect.. But Jessie chose to loose all that! His other sibling didn't turn out the way he has, so don't blame the parents.
[quote][p][bold]happycyclist[/bold] wrote: Well done Jessie Volkert's parents. You must be really proud.[/p][/quote]People make there own choices in life, and live it how they choose, just like this idiot chose the wrong path to go down. For what he has done he deserves to be in prison. But don't aim this at his parents, his mum is a teacher, his dad has a very well earned job, they are very nice and respectable people. They brought all the children up in the best way possible, nice home, nice things, money, car, ect.. But Jessie chose to loose all that! His other sibling didn't turn out the way he has, so don't blame the parents. li1989

11:48pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Lilyanny says...

s_smith wrote:
I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?
Who the bloody hell do you think you are? She is one beautiful lady!
[quote][p][bold]s_smith[/bold] wrote: I dont know about anyone else, but isnt that Frank Gallagher on the right?[/p][/quote]Who the bloody hell do you think you are? She is one beautiful lady! Lilyanny

11:50pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Lilyanny says...

turd moor wrote:
most of shadsworth have/will probally been on jeremy kyle at some point in their lives
this just some's it up diffrently
Let me say something. Before you criticise, learn how to use correct English. I know many people in shad and they are all lovely people. It's only a handful that are smack heads
[quote][p][bold]turd moor[/bold] wrote: most of shadsworth have/will probally been on jeremy kyle at some point in their lives this just some's it up diffrently[/p][/quote]Let me say something. Before you criticise, learn how to use correct English. I know many people in shad and they are all lovely people. It's only a handful that are smack heads Lilyanny

11:56pm Thu 13 Sep 12

Lilyanny says...

Lynn_Blackburn wrote:
The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate
Thank-you! Mary is fantastic! She does anything to help anyone! I love my Mary-Lou!
[quote][p][bold]Lynn_Blackburn[/bold] wrote: The lady in the picture is Mary not Frank Gallagher and she has done a good job in the community Centre putting in lots of (unpaid) hours in to try and get some community spirit up Shadsworth. There are some good people on the Shadsworth estate and yes there are some bad like all council estates across Lancashire...I just wish the programe would have shown some good people that live here on the Shadsworth estate[/p][/quote]Thank-you! Mary is fantastic! She does anything to help anyone! I love my Mary-Lou! Lilyanny

12:08am Fri 14 Sep 12

Lilyanny says...

I think you're all pretty pathetic. Well, those making nasty comments anyway. I don't live in shad but I have family and know plenty of people that do. They are all respectable people! Every area has its problems, even the snotty posh ones. It doesn't mean everybody that lives there should be condemned. Take a look at yourself before you judge others, yes? I'll agree, olwyn is a vile, dirty, lazy, nasty woman, and she clearly doesnt give a monkeys about anything or anyone. As long as she's got her A.D'S, weed and alcohol she's happy. Her kids are just as bad. Thinking about it, the documentary was mostly about her. We didn't see any positive things. My Mary does lots for the community and what does she get for thanks? Dicks like some of you taking the **** out of her. If you're saying your hair doesn't go funny in the wind then you're not normal. My Mary is beautiful and an inspiration so how about you all go back to your lives and keep your noses out?
I think you're all pretty pathetic. Well, those making nasty comments anyway. I don't live in shad but I have family and know plenty of people that do. They are all respectable people! Every area has its problems, even the snotty posh ones. It doesn't mean everybody that lives there should be condemned. Take a look at yourself before you judge others, yes? I'll agree, olwyn is a vile, dirty, lazy, nasty woman, and she clearly doesnt give a monkeys about anything or anyone. As long as she's got her A.D'S, weed and alcohol she's happy. Her kids are just as bad. Thinking about it, the documentary was mostly about her. We didn't see any positive things. My Mary does lots for the community and what does she get for thanks? Dicks like some of you taking the **** out of her. If you're saying your hair doesn't go funny in the wind then you're not normal. My Mary is beautiful and an inspiration so how about you all go back to your lives and keep your noses out? Lilyanny

12:22am Fri 14 Sep 12

ka1991 says...

Lilyanny wrote:
I think you're all pretty pathetic. Well, those making nasty comments anyway. I don't live in shad but I have family and know plenty of people that do. They are all respectable people! Every area has its problems, even the snotty posh ones. It doesn't mean everybody that lives there should be condemned. Take a look at yourself before you judge others, yes? I'll agree, olwyn is a vile, dirty, lazy, nasty woman, and she clearly doesnt give a monkeys about anything or anyone. As long as she's got her A.D'S, weed and alcohol she's happy. Her kids are just as bad. Thinking about it, the documentary was mostly about her. We didn't see any positive things. My Mary does lots for the community and what does she get for thanks? Dicks like some of you taking the **** out of her. If you're saying your hair doesn't go funny in the wind then you're not normal. My Mary is beautiful and an inspiration so how about you all go back to your lives and keep your noses out?
brilliant!
[quote][p][bold]Lilyanny[/bold] wrote: I think you're all pretty pathetic. Well, those making nasty comments anyway. I don't live in shad but I have family and know plenty of people that do. They are all respectable people! Every area has its problems, even the snotty posh ones. It doesn't mean everybody that lives there should be condemned. Take a look at yourself before you judge others, yes? I'll agree, olwyn is a vile, dirty, lazy, nasty woman, and she clearly doesnt give a monkeys about anything or anyone. As long as she's got her A.D'S, weed and alcohol she's happy. Her kids are just as bad. Thinking about it, the documentary was mostly about her. We didn't see any positive things. My Mary does lots for the community and what does she get for thanks? Dicks like some of you taking the **** out of her. If you're saying your hair doesn't go funny in the wind then you're not normal. My Mary is beautiful and an inspiration so how about you all go back to your lives and keep your noses out?[/p][/quote]brilliant! ka1991

4:04am Fri 14 Sep 12

Reedley says...

It could be worse, they could have shown the bad parts of Black burn!
It could be worse, they could have shown the bad parts of Black burn! Reedley

4:04am Fri 14 Sep 12

Reedley says...

It could be worse, they could have shown the bad parts of Black burn!
It could be worse, they could have shown the bad parts of Black burn! Reedley

8:30am Fri 14 Sep 12

AnthonyUK says...

TVH should get rid of the antisocial families and druggies and weedheads off it's housing stock and refuse to rehome them!
TVH should get rid of the antisocial families and druggies and weedheads off it's housing stock and refuse to rehome them! AnthonyUK

9:14am Fri 14 Sep 12

Black Car Guy. says...

AnthonyUK wrote:
TVH should get rid of the antisocial families and druggies and weedheads off it's housing stock and refuse to rehome them!
Where will they go? It is their human rights to stay there and ruin the estate.
Also i bet they,re a social workers wet dream.
[quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: TVH should get rid of the antisocial families and druggies and weedheads off it's housing stock and refuse to rehome them![/p][/quote]Where will they go? It is their human rights to stay there and ruin the estate. Also i bet they,re a social workers wet dream. Black Car Guy.

10:49am Fri 14 Sep 12

AnthonyUK says...

Black Car Guy. wrote:
AnthonyUK wrote: TVH should get rid of the antisocial families and druggies and weedheads off it's housing stock and refuse to rehome them!
Where will they go? It is their human rights to stay there and ruin the estate. Also i bet they,re a social workers wet dream.
Oh and what about the rights of those who shouldn't have to put up with it? They don't count do they!
[quote][p][bold]Black Car Guy.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: TVH should get rid of the antisocial families and druggies and weedheads off it's housing stock and refuse to rehome them![/p][/quote]Where will they go? It is their human rights to stay there and ruin the estate. Also i bet they,re a social workers wet dream.[/p][/quote]Oh and what about the rights of those who shouldn't have to put up with it? They don't count do they! AnthonyUK

1:41pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Black Car Guy. says...

AnthonyUK wrote:
Black Car Guy. wrote:
AnthonyUK wrote: TVH should get rid of the antisocial families and druggies and weedheads off it's housing stock and refuse to rehome them!
Where will they go? It is their human rights to stay there and ruin the estate. Also i bet they,re a social workers wet dream.
Oh and what about the rights of those who shouldn't have to put up with it? They don't count do they!
Thats right they do not count or so it seems. In this country you have to be a bad one to get any where. Judges think that burglars are courageous.
[quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Black Car Guy.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: TVH should get rid of the antisocial families and druggies and weedheads off it's housing stock and refuse to rehome them![/p][/quote]Where will they go? It is their human rights to stay there and ruin the estate. Also i bet they,re a social workers wet dream.[/p][/quote]Oh and what about the rights of those who shouldn't have to put up with it? They don't count do they![/p][/quote]Thats right they do not count or so it seems. In this country you have to be a bad one to get any where. Judges think that burglars are courageous. Black Car Guy.

3:09pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Lynn_Blackburn says...

TVH have a policy three strikes and your out. The trouble makers just get moved on to other estates.
TVH have a policy three strikes and your out. The trouble makers just get moved on to other estates. Lynn_Blackburn

3:50pm Fri 14 Sep 12

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7:46pm Fri 14 Sep 12

mishno5 says...

Three strikes and TVH kicks them out, I don't think so I know a family on shad who have had over 8 warnings and they are still here. They get their wrist slapped when they start then they go quiet for a while then it starts up again. so the 3 strikes policy is rubbish.
We have lived up Chavsworth for 11 years now and i've hated every min of it. drug dealing outside my house, dealing when is daylight and kids are about. fighting in the street, usually outside or near my home by drunken mindless yobs. But we can't move we bought this house, no one will ever want to buy a house up here unless Twin Valleys sorts out their estate. It's their fault they are the landlords hey should sort it out.
And yes all of the program was true.
Three strikes and TVH kicks them out, I don't think so I know a family on shad who have had over 8 warnings and they are still here. They get their wrist slapped when they start then they go quiet for a while then it starts up again. so the 3 strikes policy is rubbish. We have lived up Chavsworth for 11 years now and i've hated every min of it. drug dealing outside my house, dealing when is daylight and kids are about. fighting in the street, usually outside or near my home by drunken mindless yobs. But we can't move we bought this house, no one will ever want to buy a house up here unless Twin Valleys sorts out their estate. It's their fault they are the landlords hey should sort it out. And yes all of the program was true. mishno5

8:43pm Fri 14 Sep 12

arrod baw says...

Make them work for benefits for a kick off....plenty of litter and dog crap to pick up...spineless authorities need to man up...end of!
Make them work for benefits for a kick off....plenty of litter and dog crap to pick up...spineless authorities need to man up...end of! arrod baw

11:32pm Fri 14 Sep 12

mishno5 says...

just a thought if chavsworth is full of good hardworking people, like some people are claiming. and the bad people arn't that many. why doesn't TVH kick the bad people off, then the estate will be a happy sunny place, like a disney film :)...not. tell you why because if they did kick off all the bother makers the estate will be nearly empty.
just a thought if chavsworth is full of good hardworking people, like some people are claiming. and the bad people arn't that many. why doesn't TVH kick the bad people off, then the estate will be a happy sunny place, like a disney film :)...not. tell you why because if they did kick off all the bother makers the estate will be nearly empty. mishno5

11:39pm Fri 14 Sep 12

Pommie Art says...

matty hughes says...
THE SHADSWORTH ESTATE MIGHT BE A SHITHOLE BUT ITS OUR SHITHOLE F**KIN LOVE IT

Now then Matty, you may just have convinced people how dumb you actually are, with the above comments imagine the fantastic community spirit you have created for all the residents on the estate for the future. maybe you should put your brain into gear before the big mouth.
A Sh1t Hole & loving it, Well Sh1t attracts Sh1t.
matty hughes says... THE SHADSWORTH ESTATE MIGHT BE A SHITHOLE BUT ITS OUR SHITHOLE F**KIN LOVE IT Now then Matty, you may just have convinced people how dumb you actually are, with the above comments imagine the fantastic community spirit you have created for all the residents on the estate for the future. maybe you should put your brain into gear before the big mouth. A Sh1t Hole & loving it, Well Sh1t attracts Sh1t. Pommie Art

12:32am Sat 15 Sep 12

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I am astonished that "Greggs" haven't opened a branch here . They could do a meal-deal . Eight pasties . 6 litres of cider . And a tin of dog food (for the kids) . ' All yours for only a tenner ' And a free packet of Rizla . The above offer is not available to those who can read and write . fireonthemountain

1:48am Sat 15 Sep 12

Lynn_Blackburn says...

mishno5 wrote:
Three strikes and TVH kicks them out, I don't think so I know a family on shad who have had over 8 warnings and they are still here. They get their wrist slapped when they start then they go quiet for a while then it starts up again. so the 3 strikes policy is rubbish.
We have lived up Chavsworth for 11 years now and i've hated every min of it. drug dealing outside my house, dealing when is daylight and kids are about. fighting in the street, usually outside or near my home by drunken mindless yobs. But we can't move we bought this house, no one will ever want to buy a house up here unless Twin Valleys sorts out their estate. It's their fault they are the landlords hey should sort it out.
And yes all of the program was true.
That is what i was told off Twin Valley maybe i was lied too. I too own my own home it's been on the market since last november. I have no chance of selling it.The only problem we have spent too much money on it. two houses just been sold pn rothsey road for 40 grand so no doubt they will be rented out to more yobs!!
[quote][p][bold]mishno5[/bold] wrote: Three strikes and TVH kicks them out, I don't think so I know a family on shad who have had over 8 warnings and they are still here. They get their wrist slapped when they start then they go quiet for a while then it starts up again. so the 3 strikes policy is rubbish. We have lived up Chavsworth for 11 years now and i've hated every min of it. drug dealing outside my house, dealing when is daylight and kids are about. fighting in the street, usually outside or near my home by drunken mindless yobs. But we can't move we bought this house, no one will ever want to buy a house up here unless Twin Valleys sorts out their estate. It's their fault they are the landlords hey should sort it out. And yes all of the program was true.[/p][/quote]That is what i was told off Twin Valley maybe i was lied too. I too own my own home it's been on the market since last november. I have no chance of selling it.The only problem we have spent too much money on it. two houses just been sold pn rothsey road for 40 grand so no doubt they will be rented out to more yobs!! Lynn_Blackburn

9:49am Sat 15 Sep 12

mishno5 says...

Lynn_Blackburn wrote:
mishno5 wrote:
Three strikes and TVH kicks them out, I don't think so I know a family on shad who have had over 8 warnings and they are still here. They get their wrist slapped when they start then they go quiet for a while then it starts up again. so the 3 strikes policy is rubbish.
We have lived up Chavsworth for 11 years now and i've hated every min of it. drug dealing outside my house, dealing when is daylight and kids are about. fighting in the street, usually outside or near my home by drunken mindless yobs. But we can't move we bought this house, no one will ever want to buy a house up here unless Twin Valleys sorts out their estate. It's their fault they are the landlords hey should sort it out.
And yes all of the program was true.
That is what i was told off Twin Valley maybe i was lied too. I too own my own home it's been on the market since last november. I have no chance of selling it.The only problem we have spent too much money on it. two houses just been sold pn rothsey road for 40 grand so no doubt they will be rented out to more yobs!!
in all fairness though Lynn we couldn't sell a house up here before the program was aired. i thought the program was brillian, hit the nail on the head. yes there are drug dealing, yes the is anti-social behaviour. those are the two main things. Twin Valleys are the landlords they should be doing something about the situation. They won't because they are getting rent from these people. A fella told me last week he came up to chavsworth to visit his mum and brought up hid little un to visit, took him to the park. he told me there were drug needles and condoms on the park. We don't want this for our children. I've lived on estates all my life and to be honest this is the worse one i've ever lived on. At the moment its gone quiet round where i live but thats ony because the morons have had warnings again, another few months and they'll be at it again. if i won the lottery i would pay whats left on this house then knock the thing down :)
[quote][p][bold]Lynn_Blackburn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mishno5[/bold] wrote: Three strikes and TVH kicks them out, I don't think so I know a family on shad who have had over 8 warnings and they are still here. They get their wrist slapped when they start then they go quiet for a while then it starts up again. so the 3 strikes policy is rubbish. We have lived up Chavsworth for 11 years now and i've hated every min of it. drug dealing outside my house, dealing when is daylight and kids are about. fighting in the street, usually outside or near my home by drunken mindless yobs. But we can't move we bought this house, no one will ever want to buy a house up here unless Twin Valleys sorts out their estate. It's their fault they are the landlords hey should sort it out. And yes all of the program was true.[/p][/quote]That is what i was told off Twin Valley maybe i was lied too. I too own my own home it's been on the market since last november. I have no chance of selling it.The only problem we have spent too much money on it. two houses just been sold pn rothsey road for 40 grand so no doubt they will be rented out to more yobs!![/p][/quote]in all fairness though Lynn we couldn't sell a house up here before the program was aired. i thought the program was brillian, hit the nail on the head. yes there are drug dealing, yes the is anti-social behaviour. those are the two main things. Twin Valleys are the landlords they should be doing something about the situation. They won't because they are getting rent from these people. A fella told me last week he came up to chavsworth to visit his mum and brought up hid little un to visit, took him to the park. he told me there were drug needles and condoms on the park. We don't want this for our children. I've lived on estates all my life and to be honest this is the worse one i've ever lived on. At the moment its gone quiet round where i live but thats ony because the morons have had warnings again, another few months and they'll be at it again. if i won the lottery i would pay whats left on this house then knock the thing down :) mishno5

7:17am Mon 17 Sep 12

AnthonyUK says...

Lynn_Blackburn wrote:
TVH have a policy three strikes and your out. The trouble makers just get moved on to other estates.
Housing associations should be able to blacklist those they evict to other housing associations so they never get rehomed ever alongside decent people;if that trouble family has to go into poor accommodation because nobody takes them on whose fault is that? It just sends out a warning that "if you behave antisocially in our properties you will be punished accordingly and dealt with severely". Housing associations who have zerotolerance to antisocial behaviour/drug dealing/drug taking etc including smoking dope and other rubbish by eviction and blacklisting I agree with. The softies like TVH who operate a "three strikes and you're out" policy are WRONG. Sometimes having civilised chats and/or words with people giving you grief or problems doesn't always WORK-why can't TVH and other similar minded housing associations SEE THAT? Because they bow to humanrights and see it as their duty to home them irrespective of what antisocial behaviour they may cause!
[quote][p][bold]Lynn_Blackburn[/bold] wrote: TVH have a policy three strikes and your out. The trouble makers just get moved on to other estates.[/p][/quote]Housing associations should be able to blacklist those they evict to other housing associations so they never get rehomed ever alongside decent people;if that trouble family has to go into poor accommodation because nobody takes them on whose fault is that? It just sends out a warning that "if you behave antisocially in our properties you will be punished accordingly and dealt with severely". Housing associations who have zerotolerance to antisocial behaviour/drug dealing/drug taking etc including smoking dope and other rubbish by eviction and blacklisting I agree with. The softies like TVH who operate a "three strikes and you're out" policy are WRONG. Sometimes having civilised chats and/or words with people giving you grief or problems doesn't always WORK-why can't TVH and other similar minded housing associations SEE THAT? Because they bow to humanrights and see it as their duty to home them irrespective of what antisocial behaviour they may cause! AnthonyUK

8:50am Mon 17 Sep 12

mishno5 says...

TVH arn't botherd Anthony. They wouldn't give Panarama an interveiw. Has long has they get their rent they don't care. I've been round private rented estates and they are lovely and clean, with no ball game signs around. For years I have been trying to get a no ball games sign to be put up but they won't do it. Because Panarama has shown the bad parts of Chavsworth you would think it would shame TVH into doing something about it, but no. Sill got drug dealers dealing on the corner infront of my house on saturday, although i did see a police van the other day cruzin' up the stree where i live. i said to my lad here's something you don't see everyday.
Do you know Anthony that Chavsworth have been awarded 1 million pounds from the lottery earlier this year and nothing has been done with it so far, just sat in a bank somewhere collecting interest, wonder if the estate will get the interest its collecting. Waste of time. I know Panarama are coming back in a few months to see if anything has improved, it won't have.
And you would think that all the people who are moaning about the program saying its rubbish, it's not like that here. well obviously it is. and instead of moaning that they are wrong, look at the program and improve on the points that stragers can see. if people are that proud of this estate, improve it, prove to pananrama that they are wrong.
TVH arn't botherd Anthony. They wouldn't give Panarama an interveiw. Has long has they get their rent they don't care. I've been round private rented estates and they are lovely and clean, with no ball game signs around. For years I have been trying to get a no ball games sign to be put up but they won't do it. Because Panarama has shown the bad parts of Chavsworth you would think it would shame TVH into doing something about it, but no. Sill got drug dealers dealing on the corner infront of my house on saturday, although i did see a police van the other day cruzin' up the stree where i live. i said to my lad here's something you don't see everyday. Do you know Anthony that Chavsworth have been awarded 1 million pounds from the lottery earlier this year and nothing has been done with it so far, just sat in a bank somewhere collecting interest, wonder if the estate will get the interest its collecting. Waste of time. I know Panarama are coming back in a few months to see if anything has improved, it won't have. And you would think that all the people who are moaning about the program saying its rubbish, it's not like that here. well obviously it is. and instead of moaning that they are wrong, look at the program and improve on the points that stragers can see. if people are that proud of this estate, improve it, prove to pananrama that they are wrong. mishno5

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