Blackburn Rovers ‘Coyle abuse’ fans given three-year bans (From Blackburn Citizen)

It's a good job football banning orders didn't exist in the 70's/8o's, because most football grounds would have been empty, and several clubs would more than likely have gone bust, through lack of income.

What a waste of the justice system, was it not just banter. Who would be offended

"It is understood the song made reference to former Burnley manager Owen Coyle and Pakistani people."

Having coyle subjected to the word judas could be deemed blasphemist, could it not

People have moved on in their thought processes and the use of racist chanting and language is now unacceptable and a crime. Is that not a good thing in a modern progressive society?
Or would people prefer the society pre 1950's when the use of the N word and P word was acceptable?
The overwhelming majority of people find such behaviour abhorrent.
Unfortunately we still have the die hard racists who indulge in such language. They may do so in private but not in public, in either the electronic, spoken or written form.

THE FA campaign "KICK RACISM OUT" seems to have worked as racist chanting is only done by a small minority of boneheads.

LET some of the posters on here need identifying and prosecuting. Refer them to Lancashire Constabulary.
Hint, a prominent culprit lives in Padiham! Enough said!

those that think it is not offensive - have not been at the brunt of it.
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i'm white in my 40s and have followed rovers from about 8.
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when we were over in salzburg witnessed about 15-20 blokes in a bar giving prolonged stick to one of my mates who is also in his 40s but happens to be a pakistani-brit.
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i would like to think it was an isolated incident - then met a member of rovers staff (also of asian decent, but not pakistani) the following morning that had been attacked by rovers supporters in another bar in salzburg. me and my pal were genuinely shocked.
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i am afraid i can't accept this as "banter". if some people question why our crowds are not packed out every week - you only need to look at the two above incidents to understand why some of our ethnic population feel unwelcome at ewood.
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and some say "...well they don't mix".
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stone island - i understand what you say about the 70s and early 80s, but hopefully we have moved on since then. Not everything was better in those days....you dont get sharpened 50p pieces thrown at you from the kippax these days.

ganja man wrote:
People have moved on in their thought processes and the use of racist chanting and language is now unacceptable and a crime. Is that not a good thing in a modern progressive society? Or would people prefer the society pre 1950's when the use of the N word and P word was acceptable? The overwhelming majority of people find such behaviour abhorrent. Unfortunately we still have the die hard racists who indulge in such language. They may do so in private but not in public, in either the electronic, spoken or written form. THE FA campaign "KICK RACISM OUT" seems to have worked as racist chanting is only done by a small minority of boneheads. LET some of the posters on here need identifying and prosecuting. Refer them to Lancashire Constabulary. Hint, a prominent culprit lives in Padiham! Enough said!

Ganja man, Your comment says it all, You want a PC world and want this paper to go round, Passing things on to the police, That says it all, You shout the loudest about your PC world, But does not want to do anything about it yourself, But your happy for others to do it.
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The word ' Hypocite' Comes to mind.
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To me that makes you worst kind, Enough said..........

Perhaps if some of the hundreds of police officers who attend football matches were instead assigned to tackling much more serious crimes i.e. terrorism, murder, arson, drug dealing etc etc rather than attempting to identify two racists out of 25,000 people then we'd have less problems in this country today.

I first heard this so-called "song" at Hull and thought I must have misheard. It is the most wilfully offensive, racist, foul mouthed bile I have ever heard. Anyone who shouts it is doing it in order to offend. It is therefore offensive.
As for the comment about the 70s and 80s, where the terraces would have been empty, well, I'm afraid to tell you they nearly were.

ganja man wrote:
People have moved on in their thought processes and the use of racist chanting and language is now unacceptable and a crime. Is that not a good thing in a modern progressive society? Or would people prefer the society pre 1950's when the use of the N word and P word was acceptable? The overwhelming majority of people find such behaviour abhorrent. Unfortunately we still have the die hard racists who indulge in such language. They may do so in private but not in public, in either the electronic, spoken or written form. THE FA campaign "KICK RACISM OUT" seems to have worked as racist chanting is only done by a small minority of boneheads. LET some of the posters on here need identifying and prosecuting. Refer them to Lancashire Constabulary. Hint, a prominent culprit lives in Padiham! Enough said!

i will make clear i`m not racist but with a username like yours, arrogantly promoting illegal substances that are a bain on our modern society it doesn`t make me feel sympathetic to you if you yourself are one of the minorities.

JPB wrote:

ganja man wrote: People have moved on in their thought processes and the use of racist chanting and language is now unacceptable and a crime. Is that not a good thing in a modern progressive society? Or would people prefer the society pre 1950's when the use of the N word and P word was acceptable? The overwhelming majority of people find such behaviour abhorrent. Unfortunately we still have the die hard racists who indulge in such language. They may do so in private but not in public, in either the electronic, spoken or written form. THE FA campaign "KICK RACISM OUT" seems to have worked as racist chanting is only done by a small minority of boneheads. LET some of the posters on here need identifying and prosecuting. Refer them to Lancashire Constabulary. Hint, a prominent culprit lives in Padiham! Enough said!

i will make clear i`m not racist but with a username like yours, arrogantly promoting illegal substances that are a bain on our modern society it doesn`t make me feel sympathetic to you if you yourself are one of the minorities.

just to add, maybe you yourself should be referred to the constabulary.

HASSLEM:Your right we don't want any form of racism at Ewood,but Ido have to defend the majority and say that the majority of stewards at the riverside turnstiles are of asian descent and I have only seen them treated with respect and good humour.Lets make sure we deal with the guilty without creating a myth that the majority of Rovers fans are racist it only provides the genuine racist somewhere to hide behind.

ganja man wrote:
People have moved on in their thought processes and the use of racist chanting and language is now unacceptable and a crime. Is that not a good thing in a modern progressive society? Or would people prefer the society pre 1950's when the use of the N word and P word was acceptable? The overwhelming majority of people find such behaviour abhorrent. Unfortunately we still have the die hard racists who indulge in such language. They may do so in private but not in public, in either the electronic, spoken or written form. THE FA campaign "KICK RACISM OUT" seems to have worked as racist chanting is only done by a small minority of boneheads. LET some of the posters on here need identifying and prosecuting. Refer them to Lancashire Constabulary. Hint, a prominent culprit lives in Padiham! Enough said!

Get a grip.

The majority as you put it will tell you one thing but believe another, they're just to scared to speak up incase they get arrested. But its all right if you're an ethnic minority you can call for all westerners to be beheaded from within this country and not be arrested. This country has lost its values and all its morales. If somebody calls me names I tolerate it or turn the other cheek, I don't go running to the nearest police station to have that person done. Its so sad.

the third jihad - youtube

I can tell you right now, (because I used to be a ballboy at Turf Moor in the late 70s, early 80s, handing the ball to some of the past greats including Brian Flynn, Leighton James, Mike Summersbee et al) that this is nothing really new. You to to see, hear an awful lot the public didn't at the pitch level and from the fans behind - I was once heckled by a rival fan on the old Longside stand no mans land (space between the rival fans, as one section was kept like that to stop fans getting over so easily, easier to police) to pass an abusive message to one of the Burnley fans, yeah right as if! Was much much worse, now it seems football is becoming the 'football' for anyone to start trouble over 'racism'. It is those who rake it up who seem to want to cause the trouble rather than think it through, see it for what it is and move on. Again, us ballboys around BFC got to hear the lot, and saw plenty of things those in the stands didn't. As a child, I was actually quite shocked to hear the language on some of the police around the touchline, front of the stands, now I am not as an adult; it seemed common as you got used to it over time. Did I go running to anyone, reporting it for the sake of it shocking my ears? Nope. You got used to it, saw it for what it was - banter. A scuffle in the Longside , B'ole end, someone getting their ribs bashed in, you saw it. Pitch invasions ... you try to running for your life when thousands of fans jump over the fence, right at you like raging cattle. But it seems that there are those in this country now who just wish to make trouble over these remarks - anyone in life has had some kind of abuse hurled at them, which is pretty nasty but none of us had anyone to go running to to get justice nor report it to - who want to create conflict from the old 'sticks and stones' things most have to take for granted in life, you get abuse from your neighbour, is it headline news? Nope. You get abuse at work from a colleaque in a very spiteful way, again is it media news? More to the point most wouldn't consider making anything out of it, though some of the abuse does cause people a lot of harm but there you go. But each time I see these reports, it seems it Mohammed is being dragged to the mountain or the mountain dragged to Mohammed in order to create disturbances in this country. Live and let live, if you can't, ask yourselfs when that button is eventually pushed who was to blame? Bit too late, then, though isn't it? So please let's not start using football or any other sport to create the very situation those who decry it claim to be against.

o nly the jibbs could go to wigan and get banned for chanting abuse about another teams manager;you couldn't make it up hahahaha

eddie the eagle wrote:
HASSLEM:Your right we don't want any form of racism at Ewood,but Ido have to defend the majority and say that the majority of stewards at the riverside turnstiles are of asian descent and I have only seen them treated with respect and good humour.Lets make sure we deal with the guilty without creating a myth that the majority of Rovers fans are racist it only provides the genuine racist somewhere to hide behind.

eddie - totally agree, and the comment you make on stewards is well observed.
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agree that most of our supporters are not vocally racist at ewood and the club has made great strides to eradicate it from the stands.
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i also agree that it is only a tiny minority that will chant such drivel, but we need to make sure that others do not succumb to peer pressure.
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i will confess, that in the 70s, i made monkey noises to the likes of clyde best when west ham came to ewood once. i was a kid and saw others round me doing it....i had never seen a black geezer before and thought it was very funny. hopefully, we have all matured since then.
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i think its distasteful that we english adopt a "holier than thou" attitude to eastern european supporters when they do the monkey chant stuff - when it wasnt long ago, when we were doing the same.
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peace, love and anarchy!

It's a pathetic chant, chanted by pathetic people...
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I believe that you'd expect this sort of nonsense to be chanted by the moronic scruff not by decent Rovers fans....
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...And what a sentence too!
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A 3 year ban for singing a c*ap song...idiots

The use of such language is now against the law. We ALL have to obey the law of the land otherwise anarchy will prevail. Just as such language was acceptable 30 years ago, it is NOT now by the vast majority. As a white man who has travelled across the UK on demonstrations the people who resort to racist language is on a steep decline. The die hard racists no doubt, think otherwise! This is illustrated by some of the "regular" posters on here.
I require no sympathy for being against such behaviour which the vast majority of people do NOT find acceptable. This is progress within our society.
Obey the LAW of the land and you have no problems. For those wanting to use such language continue to do so in the privacy of your own homes otherwise you could receive the 6am wake up call courtesy of Her Majesty's finest the Lancashire Constabulary.( Padiham boy!)
Yes for the record i have been referred to them in the past but not of late. Obey the law and you have no problems.

hasslem hasslem wrote:

eddie the eagle wrote: HASSLEM:Your right we don't want any form of racism at Ewood,but Ido have to defend the majority and say that the majority of stewards at the riverside turnstiles are of asian descent and I have only seen them treated with respect and good humour.Lets make sure we deal with the guilty without creating a myth that the majority of Rovers fans are racist it only provides the genuine racist somewhere to hide behind.

eddie - totally agree, and the comment you make on stewards is well observed. . agree that most of our supporters are not vocally racist at ewood and the club has made great strides to eradicate it from the stands. . i also agree that it is only a tiny minority that will chant such drivel, but we need to make sure that others do not succumb to peer pressure. . i will confess, that in the 70s, i made monkey noises to the likes of clyde best when west ham came to ewood once. i was a kid and saw others round me doing it....i had never seen a black geezer before and thought it was very funny. hopefully, we have all matured since then. . i think its distasteful that we english adopt a "holier than thou" attitude to eastern european supporters when they do the monkey chant stuff - when it wasnt long ago, when we were doing the same. . peace, love and anarchy!

Your right in one sense but to be arrested for drivel seems to be excessive to say the least. Next it will be standing up or swearing. I'm sorry but some things are done with humour and really not meant to offend and some are done in rage or stupidity. But to actually get a criminal record for words is something that is just not right.
We have had in this country calls for us to be killed, we've had our soldiers called criminals for defending us or calls for us to be beheaded because some bloke in denmark draws an offensive cartoon and these people don't even get arrested. Banter is only banter, see it for what it is. I have many asian freinds and they would say exactly the same thing. At a football match as a previous gentleman as said, you hear lots of stuff that could offend quite simply anyone and BRFC are no different to what you would hear at any other ground. I am not racist and don't for one second wish to hear it nor would I ever shout it but not everyone is like me.
What I'm wondering right now is was there only 2 people out of 5000 shouting it? probably not.

how many clubs have sang you just a town full of p..k.s, at Ewood to us and nothings ever said, united sing it every year,we didnt hear much about bellamy being hit with coins If it had been rooney it would have been front page news,I dispise racism
BUT ITS ONE RULE FOR THEM AND ONE FOR US

could have been worse they could have made them watch the jibbs play for 3 years lol

Police sirens wail &

'White riot I wanna riot White riot & riot on my own.................
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Black man gotta lot of problems but they don't mind throwing brick.......

White people go to school were they teach em how to be thick..............

& everyone is doing just what they told to & nobody wanna go to jail...

1977 'White Riot' The Clash

As 'racism' gone away in 2010 ?

Reading the article I can take it that the 'insinuation' is the crime here rather than a personal face to face insult?

Had any other 'genuine member of the public heard it they would have been appalled'.

I have heard the song that is referred to & is, as all football related songs ''cut & to the chase'

No-one at football is spared, last year, last month or yesterday or tomorrow because football always as been & always will be 'tribal'

More will be banned & only time will tell if the two individuals( I bet they was sloshed out of their head & this is no defence but), in this case see a different perspective ?

All the power in the hands of those rich enough to buy it..................
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While we walk the streets to chicken to even try it..................
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& everyone is doing just what they told to..................
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& nobody wanna..... go to jail...........

Banning orders or the tonnage of the system will not stop what is an individual view, value & principal.

I don't condone this situation but, until we as people become more tolerant of all the people in our world this type of situation will exist.

We today are no better than our previous generation(s) the only differance is that it will not now be tolerated by law & proceeds throught the courts. No solution or education only containment.

Should I see anyone victimising anyone with real venom & threat I would most certainly intervene but on a football match when the threat is minimal esp in song( & as I have said many times I have seen some bad things at football) but.....

'all is fair in love & war'

Cracking a nut with a sledge hammer in my opinion & not addressing the real issue, as our great leaders lead us into oblivion & who in essence are 'racist' in the extreme with their intolerance for any culture that doesn't sign up. Everything begins with the experts & transcends down the food chain to some piffiling little song that is now deemed worthy of a court appearence.

I would suggest the fine was of more value to the sytem than the punishment metted out to the offenders?

In a nutshell a song that I hear on a football match would not influence my view of this world. Never as, never will.

Just a thought.

ganja man wrote:
People have moved on in their thought processes and the use of racist chanting and language is now unacceptable and a crime. Is that not a good thing in a modern progressive society? Or would people prefer the society pre 1950's when the use of the N word and P word was acceptable? The overwhelming majority of people find such behaviour abhorrent. Unfortunately we still have the die hard racists who indulge in such language. They may do so in private but not in public, in either the electronic, spoken or written form. THE FA campaign "KICK RACISM OUT" seems to have worked as racist chanting is only done by a small minority of boneheads. LET some of the posters on here need identifying and prosecuting. Refer them to Lancashire Constabulary. Hint, a prominent culprit lives in Padiham! Enough said!

Ganjaman your a puppet of the establishment & deem what they say to be correct & gospel.

Only when the politicians pulled their heads out of their backsides after allowing the situation to grow & grow did they do something about it through law.

The 70's seen a real insurgence of conflict between people's of all persuassion.Then was the time to act but, as always(20 years later) containment, not education was passed into law, which in turn only holds back the problem.

It would not, as I said previously influence my view of this world because of a football song.

I don't need any Government to tell me what is right & wrong with people in this world I am able to make my own mind & choices. Something you can't do as you hide behind what is put before you & bang the drum for that.

What they have introduced & passed into law is not a deterent for the real issue.

Would 'Kick Racism Out' really be in football if it wasn't awash with money? They have no real desire or will to rid our game of what is a society problem but, merely protect the interest of the business that is multi billion pounds worth.

Who began the campaign for 'Kick Out' not the football authority's but, the people, such as the black players who were being abused with cruel & ignorant taunts. Not until billions poured into football did they give a toss.

Goverment, authority will not solve society's issue's - people will if they are given the tools to achieve it.

Modern progressive society you say?

Rubbish...
You really think that because a law as been passed to punish those that are deemed to be 'racist' will solve the problem?

The only real racist's, facist etc in this world are the powers that be, who go out under the banner of demoracy & purport this to us.

We take the blame & pay the price for the intolerance of governments towards others in this world.

We are not the cause but the solution
should they ever allows us to sort it out !!

ganja man wrote:
People have moved on in their thought processes and the use of racist chanting and language is now unacceptable and a crime. Is that not a good thing in a modern progressive society? Or would people prefer the society pre 1950's when the use of the N word and P word was acceptable? The overwhelming majority of people find such behaviour abhorrent. Unfortunately we still have the die hard racists who indulge in such language. They may do so in private but not in public, in either the electronic, spoken or written form. THE FA campaign "KICK RACISM OUT" seems to have worked as racist chanting is only done by a small minority of boneheads. LET some of the posters on here need identifying and prosecuting. Refer them to Lancashire Constabulary. Hint, a prominent culprit lives in Padiham! Enough said!

N-word I agree is offensive, the so called p-word is all about the context, to me, the word p@¥! or pakistani is no different, but put a f*{£!ng in front of either word, that's what make it offensive.

bankhall, burnley says...
12:41am Thu 4 Feb 10

could have been worse they could have made them watch the jibbs play for 3 years lol

Unfortunately for us that punishment would be deemed to be inhumane and too severe on the offenders; something that no person should be subjected to.

Ganja
You're making some good friends with your fine comments ,carry on the good work.
"I have been on marches blah blah blah"
Get a job you idler ,people are sick of carrying scum like you !!
What a prize PE*IS !!

Woody - some of us can play the same game.
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"If adolf hitler flew in today, they's send a limousine anyway.....
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...oh please mister leave me alone, i'm only lookin for fun"
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If Joe S was with us - do you think he would be for or agin' such chants?
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you are right it may be a sledgehammer to crack a nut, but in my opinion its a nut worth cracking.
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To paraphrase another
Complete Control, even over these songs

Merde! Am I on the right blog? Is this the Liberal Democrat or BNP Blog that I strayed onto, through a France Telecom error?

Nope I recognise some 'names' - Woody and Hasslem is that really you mes amis?

Whatever happened to the good old jolly Rovers Blog..? This is a wee bit heavy to wake-up to here in sunny peaceful France lads!

I was going to berate BFS for the error of his 4-5-1 (or something like that) and instead there is some heavt s*it going on about two geezers singing bad songs at Wigan.

I am going back to mon lit (bed) and hope you lot have all calmed down when I re-surface at dejeuner-time!

whats happening to this world???you can get banned for chanting a bit of verbal,yet extremists are gaurded by the police and they get to abuse soiders.............
sooner labour are out the better,its gone mad,the police are just labour puppets!!!!

people like ganja man,stoking up racial tension....he could be sponsored by mCcains he has 1 big chip on his shoulder............
BY THE WAY THE CLUBS PAY THE POLICE FOR MATCH DAY....these police should/could be doing real work,instead they chose the dollar.....a vote of no confidence in our blue friends

I'd rather be a frenchman than a yank.
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oh no!
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'Run to the hills... run for your life!'

Same old rubbish being spouted from the same old people...so Robin thinks using the N word is offensive but not the P word??? Remind me which century I'm living in again & what part of the world!!!!

I cannot believe that we have such ignorant narrow minded people of such views amongst us here in East Lancs...

Oh yes before I forget...Akon you are also a P, just add the letter R after it, I will give you a clue since you are clearly not the brightest tool out of the toolbox metaphorically speaking of course....it rhymes with a word that is synonymous with a man's manhood...something you probably don't have hence you hide behind a computer screen with your vile lingo keep smiling my friend :-)

I'm sure you will work it out in the end!

"But its all right if you're an ethnic minority you can call for all westerners to be beheaded from within this country and not be arrested."

This is rubbish. You are referring to the demonstration over the Danish cartoons, the idiots concerned were jailed.

There is no excuse for the chant that these men were banned for. Stop pretending there is.

French Rover wrote:
Merde! Am I on the right blog? Is this the Liberal Democrat or BNP Blog that I strayed onto, through a France Telecom error? Nope I recognise some 'names' - Woody and Hasslem is that really you mes amis? Whatever happened to the good old jolly Rovers Blog..? This is a wee bit heavy to wake-up to here in sunny peaceful France lads! I was going to berate BFS for the error of his 4-5-1 (or something like that) and instead there is some heavt s*it going on about two geezers singing bad songs at Wigan. I am going back to mon lit (bed) and hope you lot have all calmed down when I re-surface at dejeuner-time!

av yu ad yuor bred deeped in egg yet?! this stuff's doing my head in!
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very jealous French Rover but beware what you say about BFS; the rovers internet police may recruit the French Foreign Legion to find you and cut your digits off!
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Mes amis, i know you are a 442 man but if 451 can end up 433 it can be very effective - especially with the pace we are adding to the side. also, it often ends up being a 343 when the full backs overlap. if they both push up it ends up being a 253 formation. and if samba does a dance up the field it ends up 154!
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what do you think? the key is pace. it doesnt really matter to me if it's 442 or 451 or 433 - if players put in a shift they will cause problems for any defence.
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if 451 is played correctly you end up with players running into 'holes' from deep and that's what defenders hate.
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besides, it worked on FIFA 09 last night!
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enjoy the croissant cakedin chocolate!

From what I can gather the song was about you can more or less guarantee that the majority of people in Burnley would have agreed with the words, especially with the recent leaving of coyle and the racial tension in the town.
Roll on the end of March, that will sort the men out from the boys.
I dont think even the men will be repaying the compliment of the Clarets visit to Cherry Tree and the boulevarde...
only time will tell.

Excellent comments Woody and the fine words of Mr Strummer paint the picture so eloquently. But I would refrain from any future reference to this man in this context. Having read the postumous biography of a former cult hero and discovering he was actually a public schoolbay and the son of a foreign diplomat. A very closely guarded secret that oblviously didn't fit in with the anti-establishment pose of that era. His similarities with "ganja man" are a disappointment to us all. Hollow prophecies are all well and good, but sadly history always blurs the truth!

Lamp it! wrote:

French Rover wrote: Merde! Am I on the right blog? Is this the Liberal Democrat or BNP Blog that I strayed onto, through a France Telecom error? Nope I recognise some 'names' - Woody and Hasslem is that really you mes amis? Whatever happened to the good old jolly Rovers Blog..? This is a wee bit heavy to wake-up to here in sunny peaceful France lads! I was going to berate BFS for the error of his 4-5-1 (or something like that) and instead there is some heavt s*it going on about two geezers singing bad songs at Wigan. I am going back to mon lit (bed) and hope you lot have all calmed down when I re-surface at dejeuner-time!

av yu ad yuor bred deeped in egg yet?! this stuff's doing my head in! . very jealous French Rover but beware what you say about BFS; the rovers internet police may recruit the French Foreign Legion to find you and cut your digits off! . Mes amis, i know you are a 442 man but if 451 can end up 433 it can be very effective - especially with the pace we are adding to the side. also, it often ends up being a 343 when the full backs overlap. if they both push up it ends up being a 253 formation. and if samba does a dance up the field it ends up 154! . what do you think? the key is pace. it doesnt really matter to me if it's 442 or 451 or 433 - if players put in a shift they will cause problems for any defence. . if 451 is played correctly you end up with players running into 'holes' from deep and that's what defenders hate. . besides, it worked on FIFA 09 last night! . enjoy the croissant cakedin chocolate!

Funny stuff Lamp-it! Made me laugh into moi chocolate pain!

Actually I think that the old "1-2-3 and stick-it-up them" is still the best formation!

I agree though - any system is ok as long as it means we can:
1) get enough points to stay in the prem
2) play reasonably attractive football whenever possible
3) Have a decent cup-run every year
4) take some points off at least one of the top 4 every season
5) put ourselves in the second group of team in the prem - just outside the top 6 (as the top four is now becoming the top 6 - with the addition of City and Spurs!) and on a par with the likes of Everton, Villa, Birmingham and Fulham.

Allez les bleus!

Lets put things into perspective ,What these lads sang was not very politicly correct and some would say offensive but to have there pictures splashed over half a page in the newspaper branding them as racist thugs is way way ott for mere words not directed at an individsual but football banter.I think these two lads are being made scapegoats for what is a very very minor crime you can beat seven bells out of someone or mug em or rob there houses and the justice system will do nothing but say the P word and the full force of the law will come crashing down on you .

lancastrian lass, Padiham
Ah' the lefty politically correct dragon re -appears.
Think you got yourself a tad mixed up there ,am i a Pakir or a pr*ck ?
You will know what a pr*ck is after plying your trade on the streets to make ends meet ,is it not time to settle down , have some kids which you can smack & indoctrinate to take out all your pent up sexual frustration ?

French Rover wrote:

Lamp it! wrote:

French Rover wrote: Merde! Am I on the right blog? Is this the Liberal Democrat or BNP Blog that I strayed onto, through a France Telecom error? Nope I recognise some 'names' - Woody and Hasslem is that really you mes amis? Whatever happened to the good old jolly Rovers Blog..? This is a wee bit heavy to wake-up to here in sunny peaceful France lads! I was going to berate BFS for the error of his 4-5-1 (or something like that) and instead there is some heavt s*it going on about two geezers singing bad songs at Wigan. I am going back to mon lit (bed) and hope you lot have all calmed down when I re-surface at dejeuner-time!

av yu ad yuor bred deeped in egg yet?! this stuff's doing my head in! . very jealous French Rover but beware what you say about BFS; the rovers internet police may recruit the French Foreign Legion to find you and cut your digits off! . Mes amis, i know you are a 442 man but if 451 can end up 433 it can be very effective - especially with the pace we are adding to the side. also, it often ends up being a 343 when the full backs overlap. if they both push up it ends up being a 253 formation. and if samba does a dance up the field it ends up 154! . what do you think? the key is pace. it doesnt really matter to me if it's 442 or 451 or 433 - if players put in a shift they will cause problems for any defence. . if 451 is played correctly you end up with players running into 'holes' from deep and that's what defenders hate. . besides, it worked on FIFA 09 last night! . enjoy the croissant cakedin chocolate!

Funny stuff Lamp-it! Made me laugh into moi chocolate pain! Actually I think that the old "1-2-3 and stick-it-up them" is still the best formation! I agree though - any system is ok as long as it means we can: 1) get enough points to stay in the prem 2) play reasonably attractive football whenever possible 3) Have a decent cup-run every year 4) take some points off at least one of the top 4 every season 5) put ourselves in the second group of team in the prem - just outside the top 6 (as the top four is now becoming the top 6 - with the addition of City and Spurs!) and on a par with the likes of Everton, Villa, Birmingham and Fulham. Allez les bleus!

i agree, and i like your optimism! villa and brum - that will be tough though! but at least we can rely on city ballsing it up!
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security word - 'debt-fact'!

The Police should have far more important things to be worried about. Like yesterday in the snow with a big queue for the bus at Blackburn market 5 Asian youths decided the queue did not apply to them and there was no police in sight to monitor the market in rush hour. Old people were left standing in the snow as a result.
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Are the Wigan police thick or something? Rovers and Burnley fans have been singing insulting songs about each other for decades.
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I don't know this song and would not sing it from what has been said but this is a bit OTT.
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Woody - All in All Just another brick in the wall - got to keep the looney's on the path!
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31st.....

Markr wrote:
From what I can gather the song was about you can more or less guarantee that the majority of people in Burnley would have agreed with the words, especially with the recent leaving of coyle and the racial tension in the town. Roll on the end of March, that will sort the men out from the boys. I dont think even the men will be repaying the compliment of the Clarets visit to Cherry Tree and the boulevarde... only time will tell.

You obviously were'nt in Cherry tree that evening, were you muppet? The only thing that stopped your miniscule mob from being spread all over the pavement was the intervention of officer dibble and the Keystone cops! On the boulevard do you mean the half wit tramp who claimed he was only visiting his girlfriend when arrested? As it says in the turd moor hymn book....dare to dream!

Some really interesting stuff on here and some well-presented insights into people's views on racism in particular and government control in general.

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I am totally against the promulgation of racist views but how can you alter what is going on in people's heads and why would you want to? At the end of the day it is the British taxpayer who keeps the country going and the government of the day should exist to reflect the views of the majority in their implementation of their legislative powers.

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I imagine that, in this case, that is probably what has happened. I believe that the majority of the population support the anti-racism laws which now exist and the two perpertrators have been punished in accordance with what seems to be a draconian sentence.

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However there is clearly a case for the extended implementation of racism laws to those who wish ill to westerners and, our particular concern, the British public. There seems little will on the part of the current British government to reflect the concerns of the majority and instead they take the patronising stance of "we know best".

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It is my opinion that in Britain the current government's ambition is to intefere more and more in people's lives for which they have no mandate and for which policy the public pays a fortune in taxation to fund the legions of bureaucrats necessary to the policy.

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For me, football is the biggest and best thing in the world and whilst I have no time for the small-minded adminstrators in their Swiss ivory-towers I do believe that the rest of the world and its great movers such as world leaders, politicians and religious leaders can learn so much from the great game.

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The whole of the world (even the US, belatedly) plays football to the same set of rules and comes together on a regular basis with only a minimum of antagonism from one 'tribe' to another. No judgements are made or called for about the competitors world standing and at the end of a tournament the world is a better place for the coming together of football fans.

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The 'kick out racism movement' is a highly visible and totally worthy project which exists across the world and football should be applauded for taking a lead on an issue which really does matter. No-one should be subjected to abuse or violence as a result of an accident of birth. The steady growth of neo-nazism in Eastern Europe should be a concern for all of us as should the bigotted hatred aimed at the West by the growing numbers of supporters of Jihad.

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The couple of idiots who have been banned from watching the great game were probably unlikely to go on to commit more serious offences of a racist nature and have been used to demonstrate officialdom's politically-correct credentials. The preening stance adopted by the police in this case leaves them wide open to the accusation of wasting resources in a society where anti-social behaviour of all types is becoming the norm. Is it more damaging to society to sing a racist song about someone who is not there to hear it or to consistently target elderly people who have seen their once-acceptable housing estate overrun by feral children whose parents have no knowledge of or interest in their whereabouts?

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Would it not have been adequate for some strapping bobby to have had a quiet word in these miscreants ears and settled for throwing them out of the ground?

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The British public are subjected to more and more unwanted interference at all levels of society. Much of this interference is conceived in Brussels and Strasbourg and whilst other countries mock and ignore the petty regulations (ask French Rover) the British government 'embraces' (I hate this use of the word as it typifies the new PC-speak we hear all the time these days) them with a vengeance.

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If only politicians would follow football's example and just let people get on with getting on.

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Rant over.

hasslem hasslem wrote:

eddie the eagle wrote: HASSLEM:Your right we don't want any form of racism at Ewood,but Ido have to defend the majority and say that the majority of stewards at the riverside turnstiles are of asian descent and I have only seen them treated with respect and good humour.Lets make sure we deal with the guilty without creating a myth that the majority of Rovers fans are racist it only provides the genuine racist somewhere to hide behind.

eddie - totally agree, and the comment you make on stewards is well observed. . agree that most of our supporters are not vocally racist at ewood and the club has made great strides to eradicate it from the stands. . i also agree that it is only a tiny minority that will chant such drivel, but we need to make sure that others do not succumb to peer pressure. . i will confess, that in the 70s, i made monkey noises to the likes of clyde best when west ham came to ewood once. i was a kid and saw others round me doing it....i had never seen a black geezer before and thought it was very funny. hopefully, we have all matured since then. . i think its distasteful that we english adopt a "holier than thou" attitude to eastern european supporters when they do the monkey chant stuff - when it wasnt long ago, when we were doing the same. . peace, love and anarchy!

We all followed the herd when we were younger though in this pc world some choose to forget that.the kids can be educated like we were the adults who can't grow up have to be shown the error of their ways.I'm afraid the chants of today are deeply racists,the chants about thick paddies,**** head jocks and sheep sh888ging taffs were pure banter and were returned four fold.

Some very interesting and varied posts. My day has been brightened simply by the fact that Joe Strummer is still with us. Anybody, not familiar with Joe, and The Clash, should get looking and listening. A very honest man, not always right - but apart from me, who is? Joe wore his heart on his sleeve and believed that people should wake up and GET INVOLVED.
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Niceonesunshine says - 'It's a pathetic chant, chanted by pathetic people...'

Lancs Lass - 'I cannot believe that we have such ignorant narrow minded people of such views amongst us here in East Lancs'.

Woody Riversider - 'We are not the cause but the solution'.

Hasslem - 'If Joe S was with us - do you think he would be for or agin' such chants?'

I think Joe would be telling the racists themselves. We are many, they are few!

Akon I love it when you personally respond to my posts, it just shows that they do get to you, right under your skin which is why you feel that you have to react...please don't be in denial....& keep smiling, chao.

Kev

"The couple of idiots who have been banned from watching the great game were probably unlikely to go on to commit more serious offences of a racist nature"......you may well be correct, but you cannot conclude that. please read my first posting from last night....Cause and Effect?
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I don't think anybody could disagree with you that the law needs to be equally applied across all sectors of the population and importantly has to be SEEN to be equally applied across all communities.
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I lived in a very mixed community in London for many years and the biggest problem in the bit where I lived was between black and asian communities, with the whites effectively looking on. It is a complex issue, but doing nowt is not the answer. I also remember down in Lambeth the NF (as they were at the time) storming the stage at a Redsins concert in Lambeth. They got their ars*s kicked by a small bunch of Rastas up from Brixton - - was very funny.
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I understand what you say about "promulgation" (poshest word of the day, by the way) of racist views vs thoughts inside their head and am always reminded of a classic player/ref exchange.
Player
"You are a total bast*rd referee"
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"That's a booking"
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Player
"That's not fair, what if i didnt call you a bast*rd, and only thought you were a bast*rd"
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"Well i couldnt book you - cos I wouldn't know"
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Player
"I think you are a bast*rd"

kevin e wrote:
Some really interesting stuff on here and some well-presented insights into people's views on racism in particular and government control in general. . I am totally against the promulgation of racist views but how can you alter what is going on in people's heads and why would you want to? At the end of the day it is the British taxpayer who keeps the country going and the government of the day should exist to reflect the views of the majority in their implementation of their legislative powers. . I imagine that, in this case, that is probably what has happened. I believe that the majority of the population support the anti-racism laws which now exist and the two perpertrators have been punished in accordance with what seems to be a draconian sentence. . However there is clearly a case for the extended implementation of racism laws to those who wish ill to westerners and, our particular concern, the British public. There seems little will on the part of the current British government to reflect the concerns of the majority and instead they take the patronising stance of "we know best". . It is my opinion that in Britain the current government's ambition is to intefere more and more in people's lives for which they have no mandate and for which policy the public pays a fortune in taxation to fund the legions of bureaucrats necessary to the policy. . For me, football is the biggest and best thing in the world and whilst I have no time for the small-minded adminstrators in their Swiss ivory-towers I do believe that the rest of the world and its great movers such as world leaders, politicians and religious leaders can learn so much from the great game. . The whole of the world (even the US, belatedly) plays football to the same set of rules and comes together on a regular basis with only a minimum of antagonism from one 'tribe' to another. No judgements are made or called for about the competitors world standing and at the end of a tournament the world is a better place for the coming together of football fans. . The 'kick out racism movement' is a highly visible and totally worthy project which exists across the world and football should be applauded for taking a lead on an issue which really does matter. No-one should be subjected to abuse or violence as a result of an accident of birth. The steady growth of neo-nazism in Eastern Europe should be a concern for all of us as should the bigotted hatred aimed at the West by the growing numbers of supporters of Jihad. . The couple of idiots who have been banned from watching the great game were probably unlikely to go on to commit more serious offences of a racist nature and have been used to demonstrate officialdom's politically-correct credentials. The preening stance adopted by the police in this case leaves them wide open to the accusation of wasting resources in a society where anti-social behaviour of all types is becoming the norm. Is it more damaging to society to sing a racist song about someone who is not there to hear it or to consistently target elderly people who have seen their once-acceptable housing estate overrun by feral children whose parents have no knowledge of or interest in their whereabouts? . Would it not have been adequate for some strapping bobby to have had a quiet word in these miscreants ears and settled for throwing them out of the ground? . The British public are subjected to more and more unwanted interference at all levels of society. Much of this interference is conceived in Brussels and Strasbourg and whilst other countries mock and ignore the petty regulations (ask French Rover) the British government 'embraces' (I hate this use of the word as it typifies the new PC-speak we hear all the time these days) them with a vengeance. . If only politicians would follow football's example and just let people get on with getting on. . Rant over.

kevin e, the voice of reason! that wasnt a rant but a very good appreciation and obvservation on the state of britain right now. i had to leave 'great' out because i believe that the voice of people in our country is being nullified. it has happened gradually but has come to a stage that is laughable. in my opinion our lives are being interfered with constantly: don't do that, do this blah blah blah! 'if you do that or believe this it means you are... how dare you'.
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you mentioned france. the french laugh at us. i know, i have family there and visit regularly. i think it can only get worse though - PC people spouting off - it's a business now! health and safety - what a laugh. filling out forms and other beaurocratic nonsense like hitting targets 'best ever year' and all that crap! (police, teaching, crime).
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people are sick of it - at least the ones i know are.
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thank god, yes - i said thank god that we still have footy. if you ever go to france, my good friends, take in a french footy match and savour the atmosphere - they don't give a monkeys!
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up the rovers!

Tut tut tut - BNPburn Rovers.
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Disgusting

batfastard wrote:
Tut tut tut - BNPburn Rovers.
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Disgusting

lol de lol - so what about all the songs Rovers and Burnley fans sing calling each other Alan B'Stards and worse? Is anyone offended?
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Surely much worse and more insulting than a supposed racist comment which we all know was more football related than anything?
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And whilst we are on the subject can the Police explain why young Asain males don't understand speed signs and zebra crossings and what are they doing about it?
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31st....

Morst - i know we don't speak.....but are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that it is only young asians that speed, or don't stop at zebra crossings?

Can everyone stop referring to the manager of Rovers as Big 'FAT' Sam, as it is fattist and may result in a 3 year FBO.

I know one of these lads very well and was with him at Wigan that day, although not at the time of his arrest. Whilst i agree that this chant is in bad taste i think a 3 year ban is way over the top and these lads have been made scapegoats. There was about 40 Rovers fans in a group singing this and the police picked out 2 of them...wheres the consistency, surely if you arrest one you have to arrest them all. Also how many teams come to Ewood and sing "town full of p****s", this is the same offensive word that is included in the Owen Coyle chant...again if the policing was consistent then surely all these should be served with 3 year banning orders !

I know G Kendal, hes a good lad. Not a racist he has many multi cultural friends. Would have only been banter. Over the top

I cant believe there is even a debate about this. What they did was unacceptable and they were rightly punished for their actions. There is no room for racism in any part of life, being at a football match is no excuse.

If i heard racist chanting at a game i would report it to a steward without hesitation. Thankfully tho it isnt that prevalent.

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Morst - i know we don't speak.....but are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that it is only young asians that speed, or don't stop at zebra crossings?

No HH - but there is a local problem with them at present at the road / zebra near me when they are going to / from Blackburn and it would be nice to see the Police Act on something more important is my point! PC has to work both ways and not be ignored because of fear of offending the minority!
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I work / mix with Asians everyday in my trade and of course my view is all peoples have good and bad amongst the ranks and 95% are sound good people in my experience.
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I am just anti the over PC brigade as you know. We need to save on Government spending to reduce the massive public borrowing deficit and I know where I would start the cuts!
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Now lets get the ball out again!
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31st......

Lancastrian Lass how unfortunate that the good women of Padiham have to put up with the nasty vile "man", akon.
There is no place to spout out racist views in a public place. These xenophobes like akon, RAyzer are a very small minority of the population.
Keep your racist views confined to your own home! Enough said!

Lancastrian Lass how unfortunate that the good women of Padiham have to put up with the nasty vile "man", akon.
There is no place to spout out racist views in a public place. These xenophobes like akon, RAyzer are a very small minority of the population.
Keep your racist views confined to your own home! Enough said!

I wonder if someone could clear something up for me.
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If some one refers to someone as a 'Pakistani' am i right in thinking that that is not offensive, if the person in question originates from Pakistan? That would be just the same as referring to me as 'British' because i originate from Britain, which i don't have a problem with.
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Now then, when i'm in Spain, or wherever else in the world i may be, i'm quite often referred to as a 'Brit' which i assume to be a shortened version of 'British' And i have absolutely no problem with that, nor do i find it in anyway to be offensive.
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We may have to stop reffering to people from Australia as 'Aussies' or people from America as 'Yanks'

Stone Island wrote:
I wonder if someone could clear something up for me.
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If some one refers to someone as a 'Pakistani' am i right in thinking that that is not offensive, if the person in question originates from Pakistan? That would be just the same as referring to me as 'British' because i originate from Britain, which i don't have a problem with.
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Now then, when i'm in Spain, or wherever else in the world i may be, i'm quite often referred to as a 'Brit' which i assume to be a shortened version of 'British' And i have absolutely no problem with that, nor do i find it in anyway to be offensive.
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We may have to stop reffering to people from Australia as 'Aussies' or people from America as 'Yanks'

It is correct to refer to someone from pakistan as being a pakistani. However the shortened form of the word is sononimous with negative attitudes and throughout recent history has been used in an offensive and derogitory way towards the people it is aimed at.

The word carrys with it many negative connotations and is not the same as calling a british man a brit.

In all seriousness, the fact that stewards felt the need to drag two people out of the away following (Of probably a couple of hundred ;-) ) is way over the top in my opinion.
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A three year ban is also excessive and unneccessary and, despite what the police may feel, will not prevent similar outbursts in the future.
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Although we are all more tolerant in our views these days (Publically at least) - there will always be miscreants that break the rules and chant/shout something deemed offensive to someone else - the key fact here is how we react to this situation. Although I don't know the song and it's contents - I imagine there are songs that are just as bad (If not worse) sung at Turf Moor or away from home directed at Blackburn and it's fans etc

I hate racism, it is such a shame that all of us regardless of colour or creed cannot live our lives happily and peacefully side by side!
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What annoys me though is the fact alot of people fail to see racism is not only from one group of people but BOTH sides e.g. when Asian people refer to white people as "goray" (punjabi word for describing a white skinned person") but when someone refers to one of us as "P@kis" all hell breaks loose!
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I love this country and hate petty racists who love stirring trouble. I am not "English" as my parents came from another country however I was born in this country and was educated here so I have adapted to the British way of live.I also pay my taxes and I feel proud to be a well mannered, polite British citizen!

Technically the ban is not a punishment for singing rascist songs (poor Mr Jelly would never get to the footie!) but the purpose of football banning orders is to prevent known football hooligans from causing further trouble at home and abroad (home office website).
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the law requires that the court imposes a banning order if it is satisfied that an order will help to prevent further football-related violence or disorder. The arguement here is firstly, taken in isolation, does that song incite or lead to the threat or actual violence? and secondly will banning the men involved reduce violence. I don't know if they have any "previous" but often these orders are just given automatically (the valentine day pitch invader for example).

Would it have been ok if the "bad word" was replaced with the word asian?

To me this one word alone isn't racist. Certainly never used to be.
In a certain context it certainly could be.

The Adebayor song, songs towards Jens Lehman, the samba song, scouse songs... where is the line drawn, or is anything fair game as long as you don't say THAT word?

Lancs lass
Why don't you charge ganja the going rate ,or is it just nepotism ?

midas wrote:
Technically the ban is not a punishment for singing rascist songs (poor Mr Jelly would never get to the footie!) but the purpose of football banning orders is to prevent known football hooligans from causing further trouble at home and abroad (home office website). . the law requires that the court imposes a banning order if it is satisfied that an order will help to prevent further football-related violence or disorder. The arguement here is firstly, taken in isolation, does that song incite or lead to the threat or actual violence? and secondly will banning the men involved reduce violence. I don't know if they have any "previous" but often these orders are just given automatically (the valentine day pitch invader for example).

....and the lad from leyland that gave racist clog to dwight yorke.
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nowt wrong with giving clog to yorke, but when it crosses racial barriers - time to act.
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Stone Island, Roverspaul is correct in his summary. It is one of the reasons that Irish hate being referred to as Paddies (because of the derogatary references that have gone with the word).
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Equally, in bits of USA that I have been to, you could get lynched for calling a local a Yank - which is obviously not an abbreviation of American. Similarly Daygo in Spain is not a sign of affection.
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Ah the 70s, that lovely era of Black n White Minstrels, Mind Your Language and Love thy Neighbour....Johnny Speight was horrified when people started to regard Alf Garnett as a role model.

Off point a bit, but the word "Pikey" seems to be massively popular amongst liberal student types - this word is creeping into every day common use, on to TV etc. This word is just as offensive to a certain group of people than the word these lads chanted. Ignorant double standards!

Miller11 wrote:
Off point a bit, but the word "Pikey" seems to be massively popular amongst liberal student types - this word is creeping into every day common use, on to TV etc. This word is just as offensive to a certain group of people than the word these lads chanted. Ignorant double standards!

you are absolutely correct on that one.
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it is in the lexicon, particularly in cockneyland.
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Gillingham and Pompey fans are often referred to as Pikeys, along with the song "the wheels on your house go round and round".

Cool Lad wrote:
I hate racism, it is such a shame that all of us regardless of colour or creed cannot live our lives happily and peacefully side by side! . What annoys me though is the fact alot of people fail to see racism is not only from one group of people but BOTH sides e.g. when Asian people refer to white people as "goray" (punjabi word for describing a white skinned person") but when someone refers to one of us as "P@kis" all hell breaks loose! . I love this country and hate petty racists who love stirring trouble. I am not "English" as my parents came from another country however I was born in this country and was educated here so I have adapted to the British way of live.I also pay my taxes and I feel proud to be a well mannered, polite British citizen!

Madari the snak charmer Says:

The term `Goray` I believe means the coloue white and cannot be construed as a racist term, just a Black is used to refer to a black person.

I think you need to understand that the termP*** is a derogatory and offensive word just like the N word is.

You can love this country all you want my friend but the country and most of its men certainly dont view you the same.....born here or not.


Remenber the Madari has spoken.

MarpleLeaf wrote:
I first heard this so-called "song" at Hull and thought I must have misheard. It is the most wilfully offensive, racist, foul mouthed bile I have ever heard. Anyone who shouts it is doing it in order to offend. It is therefore offensive. As for the comment about the 70s and 80s, where the terraces would have been empty, well, I'm afraid to tell you they nearly were.

Madari the snake charmer says:

Whilst we are on the subject of the 70`s and 80`s let me tell you that i have asian friends who as teenagers used to go to Ewood in the 70/80`s and they tell me that it was a very hostile experiance walking along Bolton road if you werethe wrong colour in those days and they also tell me that if the team that plays at Ewood lost then some of the so called fans would vent their anger on the asians who were making their way home.

They would guarantee being chased down Bolton road and find sanctuary by running into a shop.

These vile scum who chased these asians will be in their 40`s and 50`s now.(shameful behaviour probably now passed on to their children)

spyderleg wrote:

Markr wrote: From what I can gather the song was about you can more or less guarantee that the majority of people in Burnley would have agreed with the words, especially with the recent leaving of coyle and the racial tension in the town. Roll on the end of March, that will sort the men out from the boys. I dont think even the men will be repaying the compliment of the Clarets visit to Cherry Tree and the boulevarde... only time will tell.

You obviously were'nt in Cherry tree that evening, were you muppet? The only thing that stopped your miniscule mob from being spread all over the pavement was the intervention of officer dibble and the Keystone cops! On the boulevard do you mean the half wit tramp who claimed he was only visiting his girlfriend when arrested? As it says in the turd moor hymn book....dare to dream!

Well said and 100 percent correct

I know one of the lads involved and he is in no way, shape or form racist. He had too much to drink and got caught up in the moment and joined in a song that lots of others were singing. He was an easy target for the Police and the stewards. The song is more of a dig at owen coyle than anything else anyway. its a joke and ganja man....ur a clown!!!!

shawey72 wrote:
I know one of the lads involved and he is in no way, shape or form racist. He had too much to drink and got caught up in the moment and joined in a song that lots of others were singing. He was an easy target for the Police and the stewards. The song is more of a dig at owen coyle than anything else anyway. its a joke and ganja man....ur a clown!!!!

Well said Shawey, my mate (the other lad probably) isnt a racist either, he's been a season ticket holder for years and was simply joining in with about 40 other lads after a few too many drinks over the festive period !!

Madai the snake charmer:

Can someone please explain to me why does the sentence `I am not a racist`BUT` or he is not a racist `BUT`............

to be honest we are all racists it is an inherent trait and we all know it.

Madari arnt you just a wierd sort of guy?..
Right then my mate who is asain says this,that it is not nice to call someone a Pakki who is not a Pakki and that is were the anoyance really stems from,meaning this,if you call an Asain person a Pakki but that asain in fact origonates from India and therefore is deffinatly not from Pakistan that Asain person feels very much offended,as most Indian asain do NOT get along that well with Asains from Pakistan and therefore detest being referred to as a Pakki,and basically that is were all this trouble started from,call me a Brit because i am British,call Shiela an Aussie because she comes from Australia but do not call an Asain a Pakki espec if that Asain is decended from India,there you go.

All far to over the top! Including these comments. Refering back to the story GK is not a racist, far from it! Loyal Rovers fan for years, the photo may not be the best but he is a respectable lad. Lift the ban! Stop racist chants I agree but why pick on easy targets?? Go for the group leaders not the tag alongs..... By all means have banter but all you people are taking this far to much to heart! Black, White, Yellow who cares. ganja, Madari you to just like to stir.... Get over it not all Brits are racist! I for one am not

That wouldn't really work as our full backs don't have pace.
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If your weren't such a tramp and splashed out on FIFA 10 you would already know that by now.
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Some people.

Can people please stop using the term 'coloured'. I am starting to find it highly offensive.

Nostradamous wrote:
Madari arnt you just a wierd sort of guy?.. Right then my mate who is asain says this,that it is not nice to call someone a Pakki who is not a Pakki and that is were the anoyance really stems from,meaning this,if you call an Asain person a Pakki but that asain in fact origonates from India and therefore is deffinatly not from Pakistan that Asain person feels very much offended,as most Indian asain do NOT get along that well with Asains from Pakistan and therefore detest being referred to as a Pakki,and basically that is were all this trouble started from,call me a Brit because i am British,call Shiela an Aussie because she comes from Australia but do not call an Asain a Pakki espec if that Asain is decended from India,there you go.

Madari the snake charmer says:

The termP *** is grossly offencive regardless of who says it......full stop.

The Madari only states facts and is not weird in any shape or form.

OSmalley wrote:
All far to over the top! Including these comments. Refering back to the story GK is not a racist, far from it! Loyal Rovers fan for years, the photo may not be the best but he is a respectable lad. Lift the ban! Stop racist chants I agree but why pick on easy targets?? Go for the group leaders not the tag alongs..... By all means have banter but all you people are taking this far to much to heart! Black, White, Yellow who cares. ganja, Madari you to just like to stir.... Get over it not all Brits are racist! I for one am not

Madari the snake charmer says :

The Madari does not `Stir` the madari only charms snakes .......why dont you go and enhance your intellect by Googling`madari the snake charmer`. ......and learn about who and what i am.

since when as a shortened word for pakistani been classed as racist??????????????
what a mad country....your solicitor must be useless....ganja man get that chip off your shoulder your asian so whats the big fuss???or the short word for pakiSTANI...for the PC brigade im BRITish so call me a BRIT

Woody Riversider wrote:
Police sirens wail & 'White riot I wanna riot White riot & riot on my own................. ......... Black man gotta lot of problems but they don't mind throwing brick....... White people go to school were they teach em how to be thick.............. & everyone is doing just what they told to & nobody wanna go to jail... 1977 'White Riot' The Clash As 'racism' gone away in 2010 ? Reading the article I can take it that the 'insinuation' is the crime here rather than a personal face to face insult? Had any other 'genuine member of the public heard it they would have been appalled'. I have heard the song that is referred to & is, as all football related songs ''cut & to the chase' No-one at football is spared, last year, last month or yesterday or tomorrow because football always as been & always will be 'tribal' More will be banned & only time will tell if the two individuals( I bet they was sloshed out of their head & this is no defence but), in this case see a different perspective ? All the power in the hands of those rich enough to buy it.................. .. While we walk the streets to chicken to even try it.................. ............ & everyone is doing just what they told to.................. .................... .. & nobody wanna..... go to jail........... Banning orders or the tonnage of the system will not stop what is an individual view, value & principal. I don't condone this situation but, until we as people become more tolerant of all the people in our world this type of situation will exist. We today are no better than our previous generation(s) the only differance is that it will not now be tolerated by law & proceeds throught the courts. No solution or education only containment. Should I see anyone victimising anyone with real venom & threat I would most certainly intervene but on a football match when the threat is minimal esp in song( & as I have said many times I have seen some bad things at football) but..... 'all is fair in love & war' Cracking a nut with a sledge hammer in my opinion & not addressing the real issue, as our great leaders lead us into oblivion & who in essence are 'racist' in the extreme with their intolerance for any culture that doesn't sign up. Everything begins with the experts & transcends down the food chain to some piffiling little song that is now deemed worthy of a court appearence. I would suggest the fine was of more value to the sytem than the punishment metted out to the offenders? In a nutshell a song that I hear on a football match would not influence my view of this world. Never as, never will. Just a thought.

First class.........
We only start to understand what we have lost, When we have lost them, Joe Strummer, The Clash will never go away.........1952-20
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Good read too.....

You get a 3 year ban for running on the pitch. So they obviously think making racist chants is on that level.

Some posters have quoted the behaviour of Man Utd fans at ewood going unpunished.Two seasons ago I questioned the security officer why tis was,his reply was that the large number of their fans made it hard to intervene.So the message is if you want to step out of line do it with a bigger gang,if alot of you sing it's no longer racist.

roverspaul wrote:

Stone Island wrote:
I wonder if someone could clear something up for me.
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If some one refers to someone as a 'Pakistani' am i right in thinking that that is not offensive, if the person in question originates from Pakistan? That would be just the same as referring to me as 'British' because i originate from Britain, which i don't have a problem with.
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Now then, when i'm in Spain, or wherever else in the world i may be, i'm quite often referred to as a 'Brit' which i assume to be a shortened version of 'British' And i have absolutely no problem with that, nor do i find it in anyway to be offensive.
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We may have to stop reffering to people from Australia as 'Aussies' or people from America as 'Yanks'

It is correct to refer to someone from pakistan as being a pakistani. However the shortened form of the word is sononimous with negative attitudes and throughout recent history has been used in an offensive and derogitory way towards the people it is aimed at.

The word carrys with it many negative connotations and is not the same as calling a british man a brit.

Who says so?
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As a cricket fan we have Convicts, Aussies, Boks, Poms, Indies, Windies and Pakis etc and I always thought of it more of a shortened nickname.
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The world has gone mad!
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31st......

RAyzer wrote:
since when as a shortened word for pakistani been classed as racist?????????????? what a mad country....your solicitor must be useless....ganja man get that chip off your shoulder your asian so whats the big fuss???or the short word for pakiSTANI...for the PC brigade im BRITish so call me a BRIT

Correct, Its not what you say sometimes, its how you say it......
Its just that some people jump on the slightest thing...........
But to some that makes us Racist bigots , And thats what blows things out of all propotion..........

bed and breakfast man_! wrote:

RAyzer wrote:
since when as a shortened word for pakistani been classed as racist?????????????? what a mad country....your solicitor must be useless....ganja man get that chip off your shoulder your asian so whats the big fuss???or the short word for pakiSTANI...for the PC brigade im BRITish so call me a BRIT

Correct, Its not what you say sometimes, its how you say it......
Its just that some people jump on the slightest thing...........
But to some that makes us Racist bigots , And thats what blows things out of all propotion..........

Hi B+B - Agreed - and did anyone even think of this before the Govt employed a commitee to debate it? They came up with the usual Camel instead of an Horse - Sack the PC idiots and reduce the national debt!
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I used to laugh at "Love Thy Neighbour" but these people puts negative ideas in peoples heads and they start to believe it.
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90%+ of people are good - Its the Nazis and Religious Freaks history has taught us you need to monitor to ensure they are not generating mass followings of hatred of others and its on that basis that Islam will ultimately be judged.
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golazzo wrote:
What a waste of the justice system, was it not just banter. Who would be offended "It is understood the song made reference to former Burnley manager Owen Coyle and Pakistani people." Having coyle subjected to the word judas could be deemed blasphemist, could it not

You can only blashpheme the deity...But in this age of non-belief blasphemy is an outdated concept anyway...Having said that in these more enlightened times what they said about Asians is not acceptable...Calling Coyle a **** is another matter. Iv'e no doubt most Burnely fans now share that sentiment...

Sorry to keep going on guys - but it is not a matter for debate.
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The P word is offensive and insulting whatever you may think. Ask anybody from Pakistani origin (and I am talking about moderate easy going men and women - not the fulminating radicals) what they think of the word and whether they find it insulting?
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Those of you that think it isn't then you are deluded. I don't think you are all racist, but ill-informed. If you work with a Pakistani then keep calling them it and see whether they like it. If you won't call it to their face then don't come on here and say it is OK to use the word.
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And Nostradamus - of bloody course Indians hate being called the P word. The two countries are linked geographically but that is about it. Don't know your ethnicity (i am assuming white English) - but how would you like it if, say, a Chinese person kept referring to you as a Scot (or even Jock) or even worse French (or even Frog). It's the same case.
I have spent some time in Australia and loads of people especially outside of Sydney and Melbourne thought I was Irish cos I didn't have a South East/Plummy accent - and virtually everyone called me Irish. Got nowt against the Emerald Isle - but I hated getting called Irish.

lancastrian lass wrote:
Same old rubbish being spouted from the same old people...so Robin thinks using the N word is offensive but not the P word??? Remind me which century I'm living in again & what part of the world!!!!

I cannot believe that we have such ignorant narrow minded people of such views amongst us here in East Lancs...

Oh yes before I forget...Akon you are also a P, just add the letter R after it, I will give you a clue since you are clearly not the brightest tool out of the toolbox metaphorically speaking of course....it rhymes with a word that is synonymous with a man's manhood...something you probably don't have hence you hide behind a computer screen with your vile lingo keep smiling my friend :-)

I'm sure you will work it out in the end!

Like I said, it's in the context, the word pakki is only a shortened version of Pakistani , that in it's self is not offensive or racist, when it becomes offensive is when, example f@c¥!n is put in front of it, so even calling someone by the politicly correct Pakistani would sound racist.

Madari the snake charmer says:

It is the perception of the receipiant that counts whether the `P` word is found to be offensive or not,..........end of debate says the Madari........i am off to get my teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaa
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Will all you keyboard warriors get a grip of yourselves you all sound like a bunch of kids.
None of you are hard simple as, that is why you all have to run around in your pathetic groups acting hard because as we all know its a different matter when you are on your own.

Just watch the game if your team wins fair do's but if they don't well deal with it like a grown up and stop sulking.

This is outrageous!

I was at that game. With Graham Kendal. He was amongst a huge group of people who were chanting such things. I can assure you it was "banter" and he has been made into a scapegoat for our PC society. There were no asian people in his proximity, no Burnley fans. How could this have offended the afforementioned? It obviously will do now, wont it! Be GREAT for race relations!!! Well done, nice to know tax payers money is being well spent! PATHETIC!

Grahams one of the nicest lads I know. Shame on you!

OTT springs to mind.
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What have we got:
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English- Limey, Pom, Whinger
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Welsh- Taff, Leeky, Sheepshagger
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Scottish- Jock, Pi$$head, HaggisBasher
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Irish - Mick, Paddy, Catholic Pig, Nationalist Scum
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Germans - Kraut, Hermann, Dumbkoff (What about the Damnbuster theme?)
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Indians - ? don't know one!
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Pakistans - Pakis
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Swedes - Turnips
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French - Frogs, Snail Loving Freaks, GarlicBreaths
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Sounds like the stewards at Wigan are a complete load of d!ckheads. PC gone mad, the lads go for a day out, a bit of banter, a few beers and get a banning order.
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Sad PC world. This country's fooked.

ok. we've all had a good mass debate!
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forgive my stupid ignorance, please-but could someone tell me why it's offencive. i'm playing devils advocate.
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is it because:
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1 - the word pakistani is shortened to ****, like they do in aussie
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2 - the word itself (pakistani) is degrading- as in, people who sing it think of pakis as second class citizens
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3 - someone has used **** in a derogatory way
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4- if they had sung 'pakistani' would it have been ok?
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i don't know - or is it a mix?
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i am being serious.

BlueSkies wrote:
OTT springs to mind.
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What have we got:
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English- Limey, Pom, Whinger
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Welsh- Taff, Leeky, Sheepshagger
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Scottish- Jock, Pi$$head, HaggisBasher
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Irish - Mick, Paddy, Catholic Pig, Nationalist Scum
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Germans - Kraut, Hermann, Dumbkoff (What about the Damnbuster theme?)
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Indians - ? don't know one!
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Pakistans - Pakis
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Swedes - Turnips
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French - Frogs, Snail Loving Freaks, GarlicBreaths
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Sounds like the stewards at Wigan are a complete load of d!ckheads. PC gone mad, the lads go for a day out, a bit of banter, a few beers and get a banning order.
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Sad PC world. This country's fooked.

Quality!
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Have you watched the recent episodes of Survivors? The PC brigade are just like that politician. We must obey the rules until they can't fix the rules - Then they change them!
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Got to keep the looneys on the path! (Dark Side of The Moon - Pink Floyd)
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31st.....

If away fans came and sang, to the tune of Yellow Submarine:-
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You all live in a Pakistani Town, Pakistani Town, Pakistani Town.....
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would that be offensive?
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Serious question...

BlueSkies wrote:
If away fans came and sang, to the tune of Yellow Submarine:- . You all live in a Pakistani Town, Pakistani Town, Pakistani Town..... . would that be offensive? . Serious question...

The general consensus of opinion says that is ok. But ffs, don't abbreviate it, you'll end up a social outcast with a FBO and have your picture splashed all over the papers.

Getting the ball out -
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Big Sam on Radio Lancs - I could not play Dunny and Benni in the same team.
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Says it all - The futures negative football, the futures big Sam tactics!
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31st.........

Morst wrote:
Getting the ball out - . Big Sam on Radio Lancs - I could not play Dunny and Benni in the same team. . Says it all - The futures negative football, the futures big Sam tactics! . 31st.........

I'm not so sure we can refer to Sam as 'BIG' anymore, as some overweight people may find the term offensive.

Morst wrote:

BlueSkies wrote: OTT springs to mind. . What have we got: . English- Limey, Pom, Whinger . Welsh- Taff, Leeky, Sheepshagger . Scottish- Jock, Pi$$head, HaggisBasher . Irish - Mick, Paddy, Catholic Pig, Nationalist Scum . Germans - Kraut, Hermann, Dumbkoff (What about the Damnbuster theme?) . Indians - ? don't know one! . Pakistans - Pakis . Swedes - Turnips . French - Frogs, Snail Loving Freaks, GarlicBreaths . Sounds like the stewards at Wigan are a complete load of d!ckheads. PC gone mad, the lads go for a day out, a bit of banter, a few beers and get a banning order. . Sad PC world. This country's fooked.

Quality! . Have you watched the recent episodes of Survivors? The PC brigade are just like that politician. We must obey the rules until they can't fix the rules - Then they change them! . Got to keep the looneys on the path! (Dark Side of The Moon - Pink Floyd) . 31st.....

Morst, I'm so sick of the PC Brigade.
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Many years ago my dear departed sister-in-law in Sheffield, said that to progress in her particular field, she needed to be black/mixed race, lesbian/gay and/or disabled, any combination would be useful.
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In a world where people put the banning of fox-hunting as a priority before MY own human rights, my right to privacy and safety from aggression and anti-social behaviour......
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..well thank goodness we at least debate 451, 433, 442, thankyou football...
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I'm starting to feel sane again
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Hoofball or playing like Brazil!!!!!!!
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Onwards and upwards
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BRFC RULEOK!

BlueSkies wrote:
OTT springs to mind. . What have we got: . English- Limey, Pom, Whinger . Welsh- Taff, Leeky, Sheepshagger . Scottish- Jock, Pi$$head, HaggisBasher . Irish - Mick, Paddy, Catholic Pig, Nationalist Scum . Germans - Kraut, Hermann, Dumbkoff (What about the Damnbuster theme?) . Indians - ? don't know one! . Pakistans - Pakis . Swedes - Turnips . French - Frogs, Snail Loving Freaks, GarlicBreaths . Sounds like the stewards at Wigan are a complete load of d!ckheads. PC gone mad, the lads go for a day out, a bit of banter, a few beers and get a banning order. . Sad PC world. This country's fooked.

No offence Blue Skies but your list is selective:

Blacks - Ni****s, C**ns, W**s, Ni*-N**s

Jews - 4 bys, Pjyamas, Y**s etc etc

Chinese - Slanties

As I have said above, if I am wrong call Pakistanis the P word and see how much they enjoy the "banter".

If you are who I think you are Blue Skies call your Missus some of the selected names above and see how much she enjoys your "banter". See if she thinks its just a laugh.
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Try the Jewish insults in the Cheetham Hill and Prestbury areas of Manchester or places like Gants Hill/Edmonton in NE London. Oh how they will laugh.
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Equally, walk into an proper Irish Pub in Manchester, Liverpool, Brum or North London and see how well the locals take to your "banter". Go on just give it a try. Let me know how you get on.
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You could try the same with Jocks is Castlemill, Easterhouse or Drumchapel - I am sure the locals will split their sides (after they have split yours).
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See if all those above think it is just being PC.

BBBOOOOORRRIIINNNG!

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Supercalifragilistic expialidocious wrote: BBBOOOOORRRIIINNNG!

thank you for you wit and wisdom, your contribution is invaluable. . if you have nothing to say, then stay away. . i think the word you called me was "gimp"

it was HAC actually, unless thats you as well?

Robbin wrote:

lancastrian lass wrote: Same old rubbish being spouted from the same old people...so Robin thinks using the N word is offensive but not the P word??? Remind me which century I'm living in again & what part of the world!!!! I cannot believe that we have such ignorant narrow minded people of such views amongst us here in East Lancs... Oh yes before I forget...Akon you are also a P, just add the letter R after it, I will give you a clue since you are clearly not the brightest tool out of the toolbox metaphorically speaking of course....it rhymes with a word that is synonymous with a man's manhood...something you probably don't have hence you hide behind a computer screen with your vile lingo keep smiling my friend :-) I'm sure you will work it out in the end!

Like I said, it's in the context, the word pakki is only a shortened version of Pakistani , that in it's self is not offensive or racist, when it becomes offensive is when, example f@c¥!n is put in front of it, so even calling someone by the politicly correct Pakistani would sound racist.

I used to teach equality and diversity a nickname under bullying and harrassmentpolicy and if one person finds a word offensive then it breeches it.
they dont need to be agrieved party
if the word used to single someone out by religion, race, colour,sexual gender of oriantation then it also breeces policy,

calling someone a p.... is offensive even though it is only a shortened word,it is seen as a derogitory nickname by them, becouse it has previously been used to catogorise anybody from that neck of the woods incuding indians.

BlueSkies wrote:
If away fans came and sang, to the tune of Yellow Submarine:- . You all live in a Pakistani Town, Pakistani Town, Pakistani Town..... . would that be offensive? . Serious question...

offially if one person found it offensive yes,
and that could be anybody not just an asian,even the copper arresting you
becouse you are insinuating that a asian town is less favourable place to live than a white one,
you could say it about liverpool but you are not differeciating between asian and non asian people.

Supercalifragilistic
expialidocious wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Supercalifragilistic expialidocious wrote: BBBOOOOORRRIIINNNG!

thank you for you wit and wisdom, your contribution is invaluable. . if you have nothing to say, then stay away. . i think the word you called me was "gimp"

it was HAC actually, unless thats you as well?

julie andrews,
no, you will find you called me "gimp" for making a light hearted joke about real ale madrid on saturday, and i most certainly am not HAC.
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if you cant even remember who you insult, then you should refrain from calling pathetic names, and you should also avoid writing inane drivel.
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it doesnt bother me that you call me "gimp" - but please don't get offended when you get stick back.
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maybe you think a debate on racism is frivolous and boring, but to me it is one of th biggest issues facing the town of blackburn (from all sides of the religeous and ethnic sides).
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the forum is clearly nothing to do with the team and i repeat, if you have nothing to contribute....then dont say anything.
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If ignorance is bliss - you must be smiling.

You can't separate football fans from the rest of society. It's not football fans that are racist people are. And most people and football fans just want a quiet life. Like the Chelsea fans who kept quiet when chants of 'Yiddo' greeted Paul Robinson at Ewood this year, or the presumably few dozen Liverpool fans who didn't join in with the rest of the scousers singing 'You're just a town full of ****'s'. No sharp-eyed pro-active steward is going to single out several thousand Liverpool fans. What do you do?

Morst wrote:
The Police should have far more important things to be worried about. Like yesterday in the snow with a big queue for the bus at Blackburn market 5 Asian youths decided the queue did not apply to them and there was no police in sight to monitor the market in rush hour. Old people were left standing in the snow as a result. . Are the Wigan police thick or something? Rovers and Burnley fans have been singing insulting songs about each other for decades. . I don't know this song and would not sing it from what has been said but this is a bit OTT. . Woody - All in All Just another brick in the wall - got to keep the looney's on the path! . 31st.....

If the five lads at Blackburn market had been white would race of come into it for you when telling this story?Would you refer to them as English lads?

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Supercalifragilistic expialidocious wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Supercalifragilistic expialidocious wrote: BBBOOOOORRRIIINNNG!

thank you for you wit and wisdom, your contribution is invaluable. . if you have nothing to say, then stay away. . i think the word you called me was "gimp"

it was HAC actually, unless thats you as well?

julie andrews, no, you will find you called me "gimp" for making a light hearted joke about real ale madrid on saturday, and i most certainly am not HAC. . if you cant even remember who you insult, then you should refrain from calling pathetic names, and you should also avoid writing inane drivel. . it doesnt bother me that you call me "gimp" - but please don't get offended when you get stick back. . maybe you think a debate on racism is frivolous and boring, but to me it is one of th biggest issues facing the town of blackburn (from all sides of the religeous and ethnic sides). . the forum is clearly nothing to do with the team and i repeat, if you have nothing to contribute....then dont say anything. . If ignorance is bliss - you must be smiling.

clearly 'affected'

Imagine if a Pakistani Dad decided to take his young children to watch their town team and were subjected to that utterly disgusin and offensive song.What would they make of it.?.....and how the hell would the Dad explain why it was being sung?Cant believe its being played down and i cant believe "Political Correctness gone mad" has been mentioned.I was at Wigan that day and was gutted.There is underling and blatant racism in some of the above posts.

flanders wrote:
Imagine if a Pakistani Dad decided to take his young children to watch their town team and were subjected to that utterly disgusin and offensive song.What would they make of it.?.....and how the hell would the Dad explain why it was being sung?Cant believe its being played down and i cant believe "Political Correctness gone mad" has been mentioned.I was at Wigan that day and was gutted.There is underling and blatant racism in some of the above posts.

flanders - there is clearly some people on here that yearn for the days of empire, or even a return to the slave trade.
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it's pathetic that some try to even defend it as "banter", to some extent it is worse than the blatant racists - because the "banter" boys dont think there is anything wrong.
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i repeat and repeat again - that i have no truck with xenophobes from any side.
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i think it's pathetic when people play the political correctness card and i challenge any of them - if its so right to use such garbage then just try using it in their day to day with any ethnic minority (including irish and scots, in this instance) and see the impact of their invective and then just tell me its "banter"
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if you wont say it to somebody's face, then don't say it at all.

Supercalifragilistic
expialidocious wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Supercalifragilistic expialidocious wrote:

hasslem hasslem wrote:

Supercalifragilistic expialidocious wrote: BBBOOOOORRRIIINNNG!

thank you for you wit and wisdom, your contribution is invaluable. . if you have nothing to say, then stay away. . i think the word you called me was "gimp"

it was HAC actually, unless thats you as well?

julie andrews, no, you will find you called me "gimp" for making a light hearted joke about real ale madrid on saturday, and i most certainly am not HAC. . if you cant even remember who you insult, then you should refrain from calling pathetic names, and you should also avoid writing inane drivel. . it doesnt bother me that you call me "gimp" - but please don't get offended when you get stick back. . maybe you think a debate on racism is frivolous and boring, but to me it is one of th biggest issues facing the town of blackburn (from all sides of the religeous and ethnic sides). . the forum is clearly nothing to do with the team and i repeat, if you have nothing to contribute....then dont say anything. . If ignorance is bliss - you must be smiling.

clearly 'affected'

julie, no offence - but why affected?
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it was your choice to insult me, then you come on here and give it the "booooring" garbage, then you deny you called me a "gimp".
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do you live in denial?
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please explain why you are the fount of all knowledge and why a debate on racism is "booooring"?
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i look forward to your contribution to the debate. contrary to what you may think - i have no problem with an opposite point of view as long as it can be argued correctly - come on julie, give it your best shot.

discrimination is dead complicated and all 4 you are right
eg someone finds it offensive and its
relating to race religion etc its offensive (**** is unliked word no 2 in your list)
if its used classed in derogatory form its racist (number 2 and 3)
if colour is used in a derogatory form or to distinguish someone (number4)
eg saying I dont like that black man rather than saying that man over there in the red jumper.
you can call french frogs etc becouse that is a country and not a race religion or colour,but if you aim it at one person it is classed as bullying

discrimination is dead complicated and all 4 you are right
eg someone finds it offensive and its
relating to race religion etc its offensive (**** is unliked word no 2 in your list)
if its used classed in derogatory form its racist (number 2 and 3)
if colour is used in a derogatory form or to distinguish someone (number4)
eg saying I dont like that black man rather than saying that man over there in the red jumper.
you can call french frogs etc becouse that is a country and not a race religion or colour,but if you aim it at one person it is classed as bullying

kool4katz wrote:
discrimination is dead complicated and all 4 you are right eg someone finds it offensive and its relating to race religion etc its offensive (**** is unliked word no 2 in your list) if its used classed in derogatory form its racist (number 2 and 3) if colour is used in a derogatory form or to distinguish someone (number4) eg saying I dont like that black man rather than saying that man over there in the red jumper. you can call french frogs etc becouse that is a country and not a race religion or colour,but if you aim it at one person it is classed as bullying

sorry refering to lamp its quote

It seems to me like your talking a load of number 2.

Racism of any type is totally unacceotable and oughtto be firmly dealt with.Abuse of Owen Coyle is perfectly legitimate given his contempt for supporters.
Referrring to someone of pakistani ethnic origin as a **** is inaccurate and offensive. An an Asian born in thre UK but whose parents/grandparents hail from Pakistsani is British but of Pakistani origin. This is the correct legal **** socio-cultural characterisation

Racism of any type is totally unacceotable and oughtto be firmly dealt with.Abuse of Owen Coyle is perfectly legitimate given his contempt for supporters.
Referrring to someone of pakistani ethnic origin as a **** is inaccurate and offensive. An an Asian born in thre UK but whose parents/grandparents hail from Pakistsani is British but of Pakistani origin. This is the correct legal **** socio-cultural characterisation

Rant, Rage & Debate I like this...........


I brought 'The Clash' into this debate purely because they highlighted to a generation through 'Rock Against Racism' & PUNK ROCK in what was some of the best music & most importantly, 'LYRICS' with a conscience for everyone to move into a new way of thinking.

I grew up in Blackburn & witnessed the very aggressive & intolerance toward the influx of immigrants into this town. Had the explosion of PUNK not come about then would we have learnt of 'Tolerance' ? I would never ever had listened to any MP as they live in a totally different place to I.

J.Strummer(& as ENGLISH SKINHEAD points out was not always correct but, what he was prepared to do was brooch taboo subjects & give me knowledge)

In fact if anyone should wish to listen to an album of real substance of the taboo then get your ears around

'Never Mind The B**locks'

A mere 21 yr old Johhny Rotten brought to the table all intolerance.

Where are they today, the voice of generations? Buried under the weight of fear created by this paranoid country's politics.

Hasslem, You know darn well that Strummer would be livid at blatant racism but, not at football song's that have existed for ever.

I say to eradicate such references, as the song that was sung, is for the politicians to do the correct thing & get around the table of negotiation & put an end to all intolerance with solid debate. They wish for us the people to live in harmony & tolerance, whilst they wage war in our name through the ballot box.

I said the other day 'We are not the problem but, the solution'

Maybe we need a revolution again through music but, hold on laws & rules prevent this !!

Just a thought :)

what a complete waste of police time, maybe if the police concentrated more on serious criminals ie terrorists that are all over the uk then the younger ones wouldnt have so much hate towards muslims/asains in the first place.

I am not sure being called a pom is complimentary but I don't want someone to be banned for 3 years by some OTT PC Brigade numpty for it! They just get called a convict back!
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Love thy Neighbour on TV - hey Sambo, What you want white honky? - funny and as a Kid I always so it as very clever at saying its 50/50 and if you insult you will get it back - better when its banter which I'm sure any reference to Burnley is!
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Final word to The Beatles -and in the end the Love (and Banter) you take is equal to the Love you make.
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31st........

I was sitting just a few rows in front of these idiots at the Wigan match, with my 10 year relative. The chanting was constant throughout the match and the language was appalling. I am a season ticket holder and you do encounter swearing etc but their behaviour was far beyond the pale. Their behaviour was disgusting and I was ashamed that my 10 year old had to listen to such foul and needlessly abusive language. I am very glad that the authorities have taken a hard line against them. The whole enjoyment of the match was ruined by the few individuals round about.

Rayvon wrote:

shawey72 wrote: I know one of the lads involved and he is in no way, shape or form racist. He had too much to drink and got caught up in the moment and joined in a song that lots of others were singing. He was an easy target for the Police and the stewards. The song is more of a dig at owen coyle than anything else anyway. its a joke and ganja man....ur a clown!!!!

Well said Shawey, my mate (the other lad probably) isnt a racist either, he's been a season ticket holder for years and was simply joining in with about 40 other lads after a few too many drinks over the festive period !!

All this happened in the concourse some 30/20 minutes before kick-off -I can confirm that about 40 fans in a group were singing this ‘song’ majority of these Su Bos were merry (**** ed) at the time - me & my mates were about 10 yards away from them-to be honest most of them looked like kids trying to impress their peers. I remember commenting to my B-I-L ..saying …look at those young Girls- they must have been 14/16 years old singing the song -what got my attention was the fouls language these young lasses were coming out with! I’d be really proud if they were a daughter of mine!
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Oh, How the authorities could single these two out baffles me. There were No stewards near them at the time & the concourse was packed so packed it was virtually impossible to move. My guess is, these two were picked out by camera, the only explanation! If that was the case, why only those two!!
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"promulgation" good word, especially for an Exile.

hasslem hasslem wrote:

BlueSkies wrote: OTT springs to mind. . What have we got: . English- Limey, Pom, Whinger . Welsh- Taff, Leeky, Sheepshagger . Scottish- Jock, Pi$$head, HaggisBasher . Irish - Mick, Paddy, Catholic Pig, Nationalist Scum . Germans - Kraut, Hermann, Dumbkoff (What about the Damnbuster theme?) . Indians - ? don't know one! . Pakistans - Pakis . Swedes - Turnips . French - Frogs, Snail Loving Freaks, GarlicBreaths . Sounds like the stewards at Wigan are a complete load of d!ckheads. PC gone mad, the lads go for a day out, a bit of banter, a few beers and get a banning order. . Sad PC world. This country's fooked.

No offence Blue Skies but your list is selective: Blacks - Ni****s, C**ns, W**s, Ni*-N**s Jews - 4 bys, Pjyamas, Y**s etc etc Chinese - Slanties As I have said above, if I am wrong call Pakistanis the P word and see how much they enjoy the "banter". If you are who I think you are Blue Skies call your Missus some of the selected names above and see how much she enjoys your "banter". See if she thinks its just a laugh. . Try the Jewish insults in the Cheetham Hill and Prestbury areas of Manchester or places like Gants Hill/Edmonton in NE London. Oh how they will laugh. . Equally, walk into an proper Irish Pub in Manchester, Liverpool, Brum or North London and see how well the locals take to your "banter". Go on just give it a try. Let me know how you get on. . You could try the same with Jocks is Castlemill, Easterhouse or Drumchapel - I am sure the locals will split their sides (after they have split yours). . See if all those above think it is just being PC.

Hasslem, I was trying to demonstrate that we all have nicknames for each other and not all of them are offensive or meant to be offensive. As adults we should be able to banter with each other and that PC is absolutely over the top.
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As for knowing me, I doubt it. Happily divorced for a start but in a brilliant relationship with a Liverpool fan who doesn't necessarily agree with my anti-scouse tirades but gets on with it..
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I love Glasgow, especially the Rangers lot who I've worked and socialised with and the banter was always lively and good humoured and without malice. Simply, don't give it if you can't take it.
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As for going in an Irish Bar, not much chance of that, after the IRA scum killed 4 of my colleagues. Enough said about the Irish.
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Inferring that I'd use the N word is direspectful. In time's past I've had girlfriends of Jamaican and Ghanaian origin. Race is never an issue for me.
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But back to the Irish theme, sadly, you must have a short memory or are too young to remember the bombing of Manchester, the Birmingham and London pub bombings.
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I suggest we all keep our comments to football as much as possible.

I was at the Wigan game.
I didn't see the incident, but there were more than a few f-ckwits in the Rovers crowd that got turfed out, & there's regularly a few boozed-up idiots who stagger to Rovers' away games 'effing & jeffing in the crowd throughout the whole game.
I have no truck with racism at all, but also feel that the police do always take the easy option.
I remember years ago when United scored against Rovers at Ewood, & hundreds of United fans started chanting "You Yank B-tard" at Friedal. Disgraceful & vociferous racism, yet didn't see the police or stewards getting involved.

Against Dingles, Jensen abuse.... you fat ****!!!! How terrible was that?