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Gaza protest marches in Blackburn and Nelson
10:50am Friday 9th January 2009
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THOUSANDS of people will march through Blackburn this weekend in protest at the conflict in Gaza, according to organisers.
Speakers, including human rights activist Lauren Booth, Dr Brian Iddon, Bolton MP, and journalist Yvonne Ridley will address the crowd at Corporation Park on Sunday at 2pm.
Organisers of the march, the Lancashire Council of Mosques, said the protest was a response to Israel “launching a vicious and barbaric assault on the helpless women, children and families of Gaza”.
Salim Mulla, from LCM, will be leading the march from the Bangor Street Community Centre at 1pm.
He said he hoped thousands of people from all communities in East Lancashire would attend.
He said: “Britain has an obligation to stand up and protect the rights of innocent civilians.
“We as a community will not stand by silently as this injustice continues.
"We call upon the British government to take a firm stand against the excessive actions of the state of Israel.”
LCM spokesman Farouk Hussain added: “Whilst all nations have the right of self defence, Israel has callously hijacked this principle as a premise for launching a barbaric assault on the helpless women and children of Gaza, having previously starved them of basic food, energy and medical supplies over many years.”
Local police have helped organisers plan the event, which has been moved from Blackburn Town Hall due to fears over an the large number of protesters.
A protest march will also take place in Nelson today against the conflict in Gaza.
The Pendle for Palestine Twinning Group and Stop the War Coalition will hold the protest at the war memorial in Market Square at 1.30pm.
The protestors will present a petition to Pendle MP Gordon Prentice later in the afternoon.
Mr Prentice has called for an immediate and unconditional end to the Israeli onslaught in Gaza.
Speaking from his office at Westminster, Mr Prentice said: “The carnage we have witnessed in Gaza demands a ceasefire now.
"Not just for three hours or three days. With over 600 deaths and mounting, the slaughter must end.”
Protests have already taken place across the north west including in Preston, Bolton, Liverpool and Manchester.
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Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
7:08pm Thu 8 Jan 09
How many times over the past 8 years has "human rights activist" Lauren Booth condemned Hamas over its flagrent disregard for the human rights of Israeli children blown up in resturants, buses and markets.?
Has she ever visited the injured and tried to help them in any way?
She only cares about the Palastinians human rights
Has she ever visited the injured and tried to help them in any way?
She only cares about the Palastinians human rights
BR FC, Darwen says...
7:37pm Thu 8 Jan 09
I say pull all the good people out of Israel and Palestine then let both countries blow each other to bits.
They're as bad as each other.
They're as bad as each other.
Yvonne Ridley, London says...
7:37pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Barry and Brian,
We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour.
I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine.
Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured.
How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied?
Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government.
It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children.
I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza.
You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians.
Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay.
I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice.
Yvonne Ridley
London, UK
We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour.
I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine.
Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured.
How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied?
Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government.
It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children.
I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza.
You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians.
Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay.
I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice.
Yvonne Ridley
London, UK
onlyonesimongarner, ewood says...
7:43pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Take your war somewhere else.
We have no interest in paying for policing of a demonstration which can do nothing to influence either side
This has been going on for Centuries , and some jumped up pressure group in a far away land is not going to change anything.
Maybe you would like us to be dragged into this one as well, and see more of our own yound men and woman sacrificed in the name of someone else freedom.
It time we started to think about British people and thr problems we face in our own land, and let the rest of the world sort out it`s own mess.
We have no interest in paying for policing of a demonstration which can do nothing to influence either side
This has been going on for Centuries , and some jumped up pressure group in a far away land is not going to change anything.
Maybe you would like us to be dragged into this one as well, and see more of our own yound men and woman sacrificed in the name of someone else freedom.
It time we started to think about British people and thr problems we face in our own land, and let the rest of the world sort out it`s own mess.
Barry11, Blackburn says...
7:46pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Dear Yvonne,
As I stated, you or anyone else speaking in a small northern town in England, will not make any difference what-so-ever to what ever the outcome of the middle east crisis is.
Please don't patronise us by telling us that "Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay." in order to get more attendees at your show.
You want to try living here 52 weeks per year....its not that great!
As I stated, you or anyone else speaking in a small northern town in England, will not make any difference what-so-ever to what ever the outcome of the middle east crisis is.
Please don't patronise us by telling us that "Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay." in order to get more attendees at your show.
You want to try living here 52 weeks per year....its not that great!
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
7:52pm Thu 8 Jan 09
How ridiculous a protest in Blackburn?? what has it got to do with us?? ermmmmmmmmm nothing.
I think Israel deserve our support, the idiots fire rockets in to Israel then cry to the world when they retaliate.
I think Israel deserve our support, the idiots fire rockets in to Israel then cry to the world when they retaliate.
Barry11, Blackburn says...
7:59pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To the organisers,
Is the protest being held here in Blackburn because of the high Muslim population of the town? & therefore a higher chance of a bigger turn-out?....if so, you are doing nothing to improve the race relations of this town!
Is the protest being held here in Blackburn because of the high Muslim population of the town? & therefore a higher chance of a bigger turn-out?....if so, you are doing nothing to improve the race relations of this town!
onlyonesimongarner, ewood says...
8:05pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Point is this
Of course our hearts go out when we see scenes like the school being attacked,
BUT
The truth is that the two waring factions will not stop until they have obliterated each other.
In Isreal, people are being shelled yes, but they choose to set up home close to the Gaza Border despite knowing that the actions of their elected government are going to provoke reaction from the Palestinians and put them in the firing line.
In Gaza, Hamas was democraticaly elected by the people, who knew before they voted that the Core Principal of the party was the destruction of the State of Isreal. No-on with any inteligence realy expected them to make peace
Sounds like a no win situation to me.
But whey should the people of Blackburn be dragged into this, This is only going to lead to more religous hatred spreading, and should be stopped now.
What if a Pro-Zionist was organised for the same time.
I don`t want that kind of hassle in my Town.
All outward signs of religion, in my opinion, whould be banned.
Through history relions are the cause of more wars and deaths in the world than anything else.
Of course our hearts go out when we see scenes like the school being attacked,
BUT
The truth is that the two waring factions will not stop until they have obliterated each other.
In Isreal, people are being shelled yes, but they choose to set up home close to the Gaza Border despite knowing that the actions of their elected government are going to provoke reaction from the Palestinians and put them in the firing line.
In Gaza, Hamas was democraticaly elected by the people, who knew before they voted that the Core Principal of the party was the destruction of the State of Isreal. No-on with any inteligence realy expected them to make peace
Sounds like a no win situation to me.
But whey should the people of Blackburn be dragged into this, This is only going to lead to more religous hatred spreading, and should be stopped now.
What if a Pro-Zionist was organised for the same time.
I don`t want that kind of hassle in my Town.
All outward signs of religion, in my opinion, whould be banned.
Through history relions are the cause of more wars and deaths in the world than anything else.
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
8:09pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Yvonne: Are you willing to condemn as racist the statement by Hamas that zionists/jews should be killed wherever they are?
You state that Hamas " does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children". Please tell me who the rockets fired into Israel are aimed at?
You state that Hamas has not killed any "Israeli children" - Can you please clarify your definition of "children" given that young people in Israel have been killed by Hamas
Can you please clarify whether you regard yourself as as an activist working for the human rights of everyone or whether you are a pro palastnian activist
I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza.
You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn
You state that Hamas " does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children". Please tell me who the rockets fired into Israel are aimed at?
You state that Hamas has not killed any "Israeli children" - Can you please clarify your definition of "children" given that young people in Israel have been killed by Hamas
Can you please clarify whether you regard yourself as as an activist working for the human rights of everyone or whether you are a pro palastnian activist
I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza.
You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
8:50pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Yvonne: do you condemn Hamas for breaching todays 3 hour ceasefire?
soap opera, coronation st says...
9:08pm Thu 8 Jan 09
human rights activist Lauren Booth,is this the sister of cherrie blair im sure if she organised it in liverpool her dad could come along as well and is Salim Mulla, from LCM,councillor salim mulla who as not found anything to arrange a march for in blackburn for months he must have got bored .and when can you use a public park for a political event which as no connection in the town.these people are just empire building the only people they are interested in is promoting themselves within there community
duke bar, burnley says...
9:18pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Have this march in Burnley and it will cause a riot.
Did not see any marches to stop England being bombed by muslim terrorists.WHAT ABOUT THIS YVONNE.
What about conflicts in Africa Yvonne or Sri Lanka.....The lefties forget about these people don,t they.
Isreal is doing right striking back at the people who are firing rockets at them.If your so bothered Yvonne get yerself over to gaza right away.
Take your Blackburn marches with you
Did not see any marches to stop England being bombed by muslim terrorists.WHAT ABOUT THIS YVONNE.
What about conflicts in Africa Yvonne or Sri Lanka.....The lefties forget about these people don,t they.
Isreal is doing right striking back at the people who are firing rockets at them.If your so bothered Yvonne get yerself over to gaza right away.
Take your Blackburn marches with you
rickyl, Stockport says...
9:30pm Thu 8 Jan 09
We do not need people like this Lauren Booth, Yvonne Ridley, and Mr Mulla coming to our town stirring up racial tension.They are here to try to make a name for themselves, and after causing trouble will disappear back to wherever they came from, leaving us who actually live in the town to deal with the consequenses. I hope the police put a stop to this nonsense.
karolgadge, Oswaldtwistle says...
9:31pm Thu 8 Jan 09
With regard to Yvonne Ridley's comments above, is this the same lady who, according to her biography on the Wikipedia website once described Israel in these terms:
"that disgusting little watchdog of America that is festering in the Middle East"?
If these really are an accurate rendition of her words, it seems that her espousal of 'human rights' is suspiciously one-sided. Even if one accepts that the Israeli response to the Hamas threat is wildly disproportionate (as I do), the status of Israel itself cannot be discounted as an irrelevance to the current conflict.
Does Yvonne Ridley believe, like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, that Israel's destruction is a worthwhile and morally justifiable aim for true members of the Ummah?
I think we ought to be told.
"that disgusting little watchdog of America that is festering in the Middle East"?
If these really are an accurate rendition of her words, it seems that her espousal of 'human rights' is suspiciously one-sided. Even if one accepts that the Israeli response to the Hamas threat is wildly disproportionate (as I do), the status of Israel itself cannot be discounted as an irrelevance to the current conflict.
Does Yvonne Ridley believe, like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, that Israel's destruction is a worthwhile and morally justifiable aim for true members of the Ummah?
I think we ought to be told.
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
9:53pm Thu 8 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:For once I agree 100% with Burnley posters.
Have this march in Burnley and it will cause a riot. Did not see any marches to stop England being bombed by muslim terrorists.WHAT ABOUT THIS YVONNE. What about conflicts in Africa Yvonne or Sri Lanka.....The lefties forget about these people don,t they. Isreal is doing right striking back at the people who are firing rockets at them.If your so bothered Yvonne get yerself over to gaza right away. Take your Blackburn marches with you
Yvonne Ridley, London says...
9:55pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Simon,
If Britain held your attitude then you'd probably be speaking German by now - you should read your history and then you would know that the whole notion of the Zionist State was born in Britain in a 20+ word statement by lord Balfour.
brian Martin, you clearly have not read my article about propaganda and truth. You clearly did not listen to the UN today condemning the breaking of the three-hour ceasefire by Israel, not by Hamas. These are deemed serious contraventions of the Geneva Conventions and there is a call for the UN to launch an investigation into israel for these crimes.
If you are going to do battle with me, arm yourself with knowledge, facts and truth - not propaganda and falsehoods.
Karolgadge - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never called for israel's destruction - there was an excellent piece in The Guardian about this falsehood.
I am prepared to have a battle of wits with you, but clearly you are not prepared. Slinging insults just exposes your own ignorance in these issues.
Come along to the rally and at least become acquainted with the facts and then form your own opinions on the issues.
kind regards
Yvonne
If Britain held your attitude then you'd probably be speaking German by now - you should read your history and then you would know that the whole notion of the Zionist State was born in Britain in a 20+ word statement by lord Balfour.
brian Martin, you clearly have not read my article about propaganda and truth. You clearly did not listen to the UN today condemning the breaking of the three-hour ceasefire by Israel, not by Hamas. These are deemed serious contraventions of the Geneva Conventions and there is a call for the UN to launch an investigation into israel for these crimes.
If you are going to do battle with me, arm yourself with knowledge, facts and truth - not propaganda and falsehoods.
Karolgadge - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never called for israel's destruction - there was an excellent piece in The Guardian about this falsehood.
I am prepared to have a battle of wits with you, but clearly you are not prepared. Slinging insults just exposes your own ignorance in these issues.
Come along to the rally and at least become acquainted with the facts and then form your own opinions on the issues.
kind regards
Yvonne
Yvonne Ridley, London says...
10:00pm Thu 8 Jan 09
PS: Mr Reasonable and Duke Bar - you really are very silly. But ignorance is not a crime, however I really can't have a battle of wits with two men are are clearly unarmed intellectually. Come along to the demonstration and be educated. now there's a challenge.
YR
YR
Barry11, Blackburn says...
10:03pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Dear Yvonne,
You can have your "rally" if you want, but just don't have it in our town....I don't want our town to be picking the pieces up, re-building community relations, bad press for our town in the media & footing the bill for it when you have all gone back to where you come from.
If you claim to be listening to the people of other cultures,why not listen to your own this time!!
You can have your "rally" if you want, but just don't have it in our town....I don't want our town to be picking the pieces up, re-building community relations, bad press for our town in the media & footing the bill for it when you have all gone back to where you come from.
If you claim to be listening to the people of other cultures,why not listen to your own this time!!
karolgadge, Oswaldtwistle says...
10:14pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Yvonne Ridley:
I am well aware of the various interpretations made of President Ahmadinejad's references to Israel; so please do not accuse me of exposing my ignorance. I could, in turn, refer you to the New York Times of June 11, 2006 and an analysis by Ethan Bronner of the President's references to Israel. But trumping one journalist by referring to another is an intellectual dead-end.
I note that you have not answered my main point: do you support the ultimate destruction (or disintegration because of internal contradictions if you prefer) of Israel? Secondly, do you stand by the comments reported in Wikipedia, or do they misrepresent your view of Israel?
I am well aware of the various interpretations made of President Ahmadinejad's references to Israel; so please do not accuse me of exposing my ignorance. I could, in turn, refer you to the New York Times of June 11, 2006 and an analysis by Ethan Bronner of the President's references to Israel. But trumping one journalist by referring to another is an intellectual dead-end.
I note that you have not answered my main point: do you support the ultimate destruction (or disintegration because of internal contradictions if you prefer) of Israel? Secondly, do you stand by the comments reported in Wikipedia, or do they misrepresent your view of Israel?
duke bar, burnley says...
10:19pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley wrote:The truth hurts Yvonne.
PS: Mr Reasonable and Duke Bar - you really are very silly. But ignorance is not a crime, however I really can't have a battle of wits with two men are are clearly unarmed intellectually. Come along to the demonstration and be educated. now there's a challenge. YR
This is why you are trying to say we are not educated enough to respond to your bullshit.Lefties do this when proved wrong . ha ha
No chance on earth i will be at a Demonstration with a leftie lentile eating, terrorist loving person like you.Yvonne.
No thanks i would sooner go and watch Rovers
Your the one being Silly Yvonne
As i said get over to Gaza as your not welcome in East Lancs.
I am sure they will treat you with respect just like they treat the women in Saudi Arabia.
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
10:23pm Thu 8 Jan 09
I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza!
The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND!
I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday!
The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye.
Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there!
FREE THE PALESTINE!!
END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!
The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND!
I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday!
The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye.
Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there!
FREE THE PALESTINE!!
END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!
retired one, Blackburn says...
10:33pm Thu 8 Jan 09
This is our public park and not a place for protesters, these people who will be demonstrating should offer themselves up and go over to Gaza and help in the situation.
What good will their protest do only stir up racial tension here.
We want our park to enjoy our family outings, and not to be taken over by others.
The authorities are encouraging this behaviour by allowing it to happen.
We cannot say what we think anymore, but we have to pay for it and put up with it.
What good will their protest do only stir up racial tension here.
We want our park to enjoy our family outings, and not to be taken over by others.
The authorities are encouraging this behaviour by allowing it to happen.
We cannot say what we think anymore, but we have to pay for it and put up with it.
Yvonne Ridley, London says...
10:35pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Barry11 - you really have provided some entertaining light relief, this evening. In reference to "If you claim to be listening to the people of other cultures,why not listen to your own this time!!" I had no idea you were a fellow Geordie.
Karolgadge, I don't follow specific journalists or the New York Times, which incidentally had to issue a front page apology for misleading its readers over the WoT. But I do follow facts and the facts are he never said that. As much as you might want to be in denial dear, you have to face the facts. And if you are using Wikipedia as a source for information, then this is why you are sounding so confused. Go on to my website www.yvonneridley.org instead.
the last time I went on to my Wikipedia website it said I had won £1m on Littlewoods ... I wish.
Read my latest article on the media distortion re-Gaza.
Looking forward to the visit.
YR
Karolgadge, I don't follow specific journalists or the New York Times, which incidentally had to issue a front page apology for misleading its readers over the WoT. But I do follow facts and the facts are he never said that. As much as you might want to be in denial dear, you have to face the facts. And if you are using Wikipedia as a source for information, then this is why you are sounding so confused. Go on to my website www.yvonneridley.org instead.
the last time I went on to my Wikipedia website it said I had won £1m on Littlewoods ... I wish.
Read my latest article on the media distortion re-Gaza.
Looking forward to the visit.
YR
duke bar, burnley says...
10:36pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Rovers Girl wrote:What about suicide bombers on school busses.Does that not bring any tears to your eyes.Hamas and the PLo have been doing this for years and years.They executed Israelis who were competing in the Olympics in Munich back in the 70s .
I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza! The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND! I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday! The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye. Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there! FREE THE PALESTINE!! END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!
Keep up the fight Israel lots of people are on your side.
If your brothers and sisters are over in Gaza get yourself back home .Bring Yvonne and her mates with you
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
10:39pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley how can you call people ignorant? because we disagree with you? This is our town not yours, it has enough racial tension without lefties like you spouting your evil bile to the towns poulation. Tell me Yvonne when the rockets are aimed at Israel do they not hjarm or kill innocent men, women and children? Do you wish to protest at the killing of Israels people? The world would be a better place without closet racists. I hope the heavens open on you and your wicked mind and you have only a few listeners. How do baffoons like you sleep at night??
Barry11, Blackburn says...
10:46pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Dear Yvonne,
You seem to think that we, up in the north of England are a bit thick? You certainly treat us like that, judging by the comments to myself & others on this forum.
I Mean BRITISH CULTURE!!, or has that got so watered down these days that no-one knows what it is any more?
Listen to your own culture means US BRITISH......We dont want you & your protest march in our town!!.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
You seem to think that we, up in the north of England are a bit thick? You certainly treat us like that, judging by the comments to myself & others on this forum.
I Mean BRITISH CULTURE!!, or has that got so watered down these days that no-one knows what it is any more?
Listen to your own culture means US BRITISH......We dont want you & your protest march in our town!!.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
retired one, Blackburn says...
10:47pm Thu 8 Jan 09
What would happen to us if we went to a Muslim country and protested about what the terrorists are doing to Christians?
I wouldn't like to think about it.
I wouldn't like to think about it.
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
10:52pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Our Father in Heaven, Rock and Redeemer of the people Israel; Bless the State of Israel, with its promise of redemption. Shield it with Your love; spread over it the shelter of Your peace. Guide its leaders and advisors with Your light and Your truth. Help them with Your good counsel. Strengthen the hands of those who defend our Holy Land. Deliver them; crown their efforts with triumph. Bless the land with peace, and its inhabitants with lasting joy. And let us say: Amen.
Siddur Sim Shalom
And Dear God keep Yvonne Ridley out of our town and leave Blackburns communities to get along in peace.
WE DONT NEED HER HERE
Siddur Sim Shalom
And Dear God keep Yvonne Ridley out of our town and leave Blackburns communities to get along in peace.
WE DONT NEED HER HERE
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
10:54pm Thu 8 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:What are you trying to say, there are no Israeli suicide bombers?
Rovers Girl wrote: I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza! The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND! I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday! The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye. Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there! FREE THE PALESTINE!! END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!What about suicide bombers on school busses.Does that not bring any tears to your eyes.Hamas and the PLo have been doing this for years and years.They executed Israelis who were competing in the Olympics in Munich back in the 70s . Keep up the fight Israel lots of people are on your side. If your brothers and sisters are over in Gaza get yourself back home .Bring Yvonne and her mates with you
I don't really care about the past, were talking present and future here!
If i am in my home why do I need to get back home??
Don't worry i'l be bringing Yvonne and her mates to Blackburn!
She's gonna be coming to the march along with another few thousand people!
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
10:57pm Thu 8 Jan 09
retired one wrote:Why did you say to a Muslim country??
What would happen to us if we went to a Muslim country and protested about what the terrorists are doing to Christians? I wouldn't like to think about it.
Are Muslims terrorists now?
duke bar, burnley says...
10:58pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Mr-Reasonable wrote:Well said Mr-Reasonable.Your spot
Our Father in Heaven, Rock and Redeemer of the people Israel; Bless the State of Israel, with its promise of redemption. Shield it with Your love; spread over it the shelter of Your peace. Guide its leaders and advisors with Your light and Your truth. Help them with Your good counsel. Strengthen the hands of those who defend our Holy Land. Deliver them; crown their efforts with triumph. Bless the land with peace, and its inhabitants with lasting joy. And let us say: Amen. Siddur Sim Shalom And Dear God keep Yvonne Ridley out of our town and leave Blackburns communities to get along in peace. WE DONT NEED HER HERE
Hope this gets the message across to the very Educated Yvonne. .
Barry11, Blackburn says...
11:07pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Dear Rovers Girl,
Why do you consider people in a land that is not, as you have stated "your home", to be your Brothers & sisters?
Are they really your kin (family) or some folks who share the same country of origin/religion as you?.
If they are your true family (kin) I can understand your concern, but if the former. You are no more related to them than I am to a Frenchman or German.
If it is the latter, I would fail to see why you are getting so involved in something in another country.
Please confirm I am genuinely interested as to which.
Why do you consider people in a land that is not, as you have stated "your home", to be your Brothers & sisters?
Are they really your kin (family) or some folks who share the same country of origin/religion as you?.
If they are your true family (kin) I can understand your concern, but if the former. You are no more related to them than I am to a Frenchman or German.
If it is the latter, I would fail to see why you are getting so involved in something in another country.
Please confirm I am genuinely interested as to which.
karolgadge, Oswaldtwistle says...
11:09pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Yvonne Ridley:
Please refrain from patronising by calling me 'dear'. I take it by your circumventing my question regarding your views on Israel, in this respect (if not others) Wikipedia is correct. Like you, I do not use Wiki as my sole guide but it is a reasonable first step when commenting briefly in a forum such as this.
As for being confused, if the shoe fits... you claim not to follow journalists but are dead keen to refer me to a particular Guardian piece that supports your take; yet somehow the New York Times is below your radar screen. Is this because you perceive it to be a Zionist-based fable sheet?
Please refrain from patronising by calling me 'dear'. I take it by your circumventing my question regarding your views on Israel, in this respect (if not others) Wikipedia is correct. Like you, I do not use Wiki as my sole guide but it is a reasonable first step when commenting briefly in a forum such as this.
As for being confused, if the shoe fits... you claim not to follow journalists but are dead keen to refer me to a particular Guardian piece that supports your take; yet somehow the New York Times is below your radar screen. Is this because you perceive it to be a Zionist-based fable sheet?
TheReason, Blackburn says...
11:18pm Thu 8 Jan 09
LONG STORY CUT SHORT-
Religious war carries on... and on and on.
It really gets on my nerves how all the conflict in the world is put down to things like 'Political conflict'.
Religion spells war. They absolutely crave it and the Bible and Koran mandates it.
'If the we were see a mushroom cloud over New York or London, a massive percentage (of America) would see a silver lining. The end of the world would be upon us.'
-Sam Harris (Author of The End of Faith.
OK I'm paraphrasing but that's the gist!
Religious war carries on... and on and on.
It really gets on my nerves how all the conflict in the world is put down to things like 'Political conflict'.
Religion spells war. They absolutely crave it and the Bible and Koran mandates it.
'If the we were see a mushroom cloud over New York or London, a massive percentage (of America) would see a silver lining. The end of the world would be upon us.'
-Sam Harris (Author of The End of Faith.
OK I'm paraphrasing but that's the gist!
duke bar, burnley says...
11:19pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Rovers Girl wrote:You don,t care about the past!
duke bar wrote:What are you trying to say, there are no Israeli suicide bombers? I don't really care about the past, were talking present and future here! If i am in my home why do I need to get back home?? Don't worry i'l be bringing Yvonne and her mates to Blackburn! She's gonna be coming to the march along with another few thousand people!Rovers Girl wrote: I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza! The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND! I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday! The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye. Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there! FREE THE PALESTINE!! END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!What about suicide bombers on school busses.Does that not bring any tears to your eyes.Hamas and the PLo have been doing this for years and years.They executed Israelis who were competing in the Olympics in Munich back in the 70s . Keep up the fight Israel lots of people are on your side. If your brothers and sisters are over in Gaza get yourself back home .Bring Yvonne and her mates with you
No there are not any suicide bombers from Israel its mostly Muslims who do this nasty stuff.
You mentioned you had brothers and sisters in Gaza.Go and visit them if your so upset about whats going on.Your march in Blackburn will do nothing at all for your brothers and sisters Will it....
I am sure all the Rovers fans will be happy with you showing them up.
Up the clarets.
TheReason, Blackburn says...
11:24pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Sorry for the terrible grammar in the last post everyone!
I was juggling a few things at once then!
I was juggling a few things at once then!
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
11:27pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Barry11 wrote:They're people that share the same religion!
Dear Rovers Girl, Why do you consider people in a land that is not, as you have stated "your home", to be your Brothers & sisters? Are they really your kin (family) or some folks who share the same country of origin/religion as you?. If they are your true family (kin) I can understand your concern, but if the former. You are no more related to them than I am to a Frenchman or German. If it is the latter, I would fail to see why you are getting so involved in something in another country. Please confirm I am genuinely interested as to which.
Barry11, Blackburn says...
11:35pm Thu 8 Jan 09
So, therfore, what ever they are doing you are clearly on "their side"?
Is that is true? ......why not consider all the options/views/opinio
ns & use your own brain to arrive at your own conclusion as to what is right & wrong....not just "they are the same religion as me, therefore they must be right".
You are in the UK, a free country, you are entitled to an opinion of your own.
Is that is true? ......why not consider all the options/views/opinio
ns & use your own brain to arrive at your own conclusion as to what is right & wrong....not just "they are the same religion as me, therefore they must be right".
You are in the UK, a free country, you are entitled to an opinion of your own.
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
11:36pm Thu 8 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:NO ISRAELI SUICIDE BOMBERS? says who? u?
Rovers Girl wrote:You don,t care about the past! No there are not any suicide bombers from Israel its mostly Muslims who do this nasty stuff. You mentioned you had brothers and sisters in Gaza.Go and visit them if your so upset about whats going on.Your march in Blackburn will do nothing at all for your brothers and sisters Will it.... I am sure all the Rovers fans will be happy with you showing them up. Up the clarets.duke bar wrote:What are you trying to say, there are no Israeli suicide bombers? I don't really care about the past, were talking present and future here! If i am in my home why do I need to get back home?? Don't worry i'l be bringing Yvonne and her mates to Blackburn! She's gonna be coming to the march along with another few thousand people!Rovers Girl wrote: I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza! The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND! I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday! The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye. Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there! FREE THE PALESTINE!! END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!What about suicide bombers on school busses.Does that not bring any tears to your eyes.Hamas and the PLo have been doing this for years and years.They executed Israelis who were competing in the Olympics in Munich back in the 70s . Keep up the fight Israel lots of people are on your side. If your brothers and sisters are over in Gaza get yourself back home .Bring Yvonne and her mates with you
I see that you have something againts Muslims. Well let me just tell you, it's not just Muslims that do this 'nasty stuff', it's alot of people, Israelis included.
We all want PEACE don't we?
The Rovers fans will be chuffed!
I'm sure the dingles will be tooo!
duke bar, burnley says...
11:49pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Your correct its not just Muslims who do this nasty stuff.
Its MOSTLY MUSLIMS as i said above...
Try reading what i have said please.
I have yet to hear of an Israeli who blows him self up with the intent of killing innocent people.
If you have please let us know.
Nothing against ordinary Muslims ,its the fanatics who i do not like.Those who preach death to jews and death to infidels. These are the ones i do not like.
The ones that make my kebabs and take away food are good.As are 1000s of other Muslims who keep the peace.
WE DONT LIKE ROVERS IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD ,BUT WE DONT WISH THEM OR THEIR FANS ANY HARM. WE ONLY WANT TO BEAT THEM ON THE FOOTBALL PITCH.
Have not done this for a long long time.
Its MOSTLY MUSLIMS as i said above...
Try reading what i have said please.
I have yet to hear of an Israeli who blows him self up with the intent of killing innocent people.
If you have please let us know.
Nothing against ordinary Muslims ,its the fanatics who i do not like.Those who preach death to jews and death to infidels. These are the ones i do not like.
The ones that make my kebabs and take away food are good.As are 1000s of other Muslims who keep the peace.
WE DONT LIKE ROVERS IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD ,BUT WE DONT WISH THEM OR THEIR FANS ANY HARM. WE ONLY WANT TO BEAT THEM ON THE FOOTBALL PITCH.
Have not done this for a long long time.
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
11:52pm Thu 8 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:Fair point!
Your correct its not just Muslims who do this nasty stuff. Its MOSTLY MUSLIMS as i said above... Try reading what i have said please. I have yet to hear of an Israeli who blows him self up with the intent of killing innocent people. If you have please let us know. Nothing against ordinary Muslims ,its the fanatics who i do not like.Those who preach death to jews and death to infidels. These are the ones i do not like. The ones that make my kebabs and take away food are good.As are 1000s of other Muslims who keep the peace. WE DONT LIKE ROVERS IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD ,BUT WE DONT WISH THEM OR THEIR FANS ANY HARM. WE ONLY WANT TO BEAT THEM ON THE FOOTBALL PITCH. Have not done this for a long long time.
loll..you'll never beat us on the pitch!
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
11:59pm Thu 8 Jan 09
If anyone cares to preview Yvonne preaching her peace message take a look here.
http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=na5KLaj7LR
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make up your own ming people is this what we want in Blackburn? what do yoy think RoversGirl?
http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=na5KLaj7LR
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make up your own ming people is this what we want in Blackburn? what do yoy think RoversGirl?
Big Bob Joylove, Blackburn says...
12:09am Fri 9 Jan 09
I'm born and bred in Blackburn, l don't count myself as racist and yes, thank you l will make my own mind up. I choose to exercise my right to free speech to protest against Israel for the killing of over 200 children in Gaza. Anyone who feels that to kill children is fine is able to start up their own protest but l fear your numbers will singular. And for the record, l'm white and have no religious following. I just don't like seeing kids killed and l feel strongly enough to say something. If you have a problem with that then you obviously are happy with everything in the world and sit there watching the news with a smile.
Yvonne Ridley, London says...
12:11am Fri 9 Jan 09
Retired one - many of us would love to go to Gaza but it has been under siege for nearly two years with no one allowed in or out.
The plight of the Gazan people has nothing to do with racial issues.
This is about justice for a people overseas and raising awareness of their situation, giving a voice to the voiceless.
What happened to famous Northern hospitality?
And what about the freedom to express, demonstrate and stand up for others who can't defend themselves?
please do come along and listen - you might even enjoy the day out.
The plight of the Gazan people has nothing to do with racial issues.
This is about justice for a people overseas and raising awareness of their situation, giving a voice to the voiceless.
What happened to famous Northern hospitality?
And what about the freedom to express, demonstrate and stand up for others who can't defend themselves?
please do come along and listen - you might even enjoy the day out.
Big Bob Joylove, Blackburn says...
12:16am Fri 9 Jan 09
"I have yet to hear of an Israeli who blows him self up with the intent of killing innocent people" - elequently put duke bar - thats cos they have tanks, F16's, Apache helicopters, nuclear missiles, gun boats, frigates, cruise missiles to kill innocents. Why blow yourself up when you have the hardware to do it from 50 miles away.
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
12:28am Fri 9 Jan 09
BigBoB
take a look at this woman on youtube she isnt a peace loving woman simple as!!!
Yvonne one more question, have you heard of Stockholm syndrome?
Please yvonne take your poison elsewhere one day you will have to answer to God, St Peter will slam them pearly gates on you.
take a look at this woman on youtube she isnt a peace loving woman simple as!!!
Yvonne one more question, have you heard of Stockholm syndrome?
Please yvonne take your poison elsewhere one day you will have to answer to God, St Peter will slam them pearly gates on you.
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
12:41am Fri 9 Jan 09
ISRAEL BELONGS TO THE JEWS !!!!
I think you will find if you study the HOLY BIBLE you will find many of gods prophets telling the world that one day the jews will return back to their homeland of israel.
The real reason muslims cant stand israel and the jews is because the jews are gods chosen people...
I think you will find if you study the HOLY BIBLE you will find many of gods prophets telling the world that one day the jews will return back to their homeland of israel.
The real reason muslims cant stand israel and the jews is because the jews are gods chosen people...
Big Bob Joylove, Blackburn says...
1:00am Fri 9 Jan 09
I think the point most people are missing here is that children are dead or dying. Who gives a sh!t who's land belongs to who, who gives a sh!t what religion Mohhamed os prophet of Jesus, who gives a sh!t if your black, brown, purple or green. Who gives a sh!t what the bible says and who gives a sh!t what the coffee smells like. CHILDREN ARE DEAD, l'm sorry l'll sat that again CHILDREN ARE DEAD and you wanna talk about dirt, colour, books and f*ckin coffee !!!!
SG, Indiana says...
1:05am Fri 9 Jan 09
This still begs the unanswered question of why Blackburn. Was the town chosen at random by Ms Ridley? I think not. It is crystal clear Blackburn was chosen because of its large Muslim population.
onlyonesimongarner, ewood says...
8:07am Fri 9 Jan 09
So you don`t deny the speech Yvonne
I would say that it bordering on stirring up racial hatred
Please act now and Ban this woman from our town.
We realy don`t want her and her kind here
I would say that it bordering on stirring up racial hatred
Please act now and Ban this woman from our town.
We realy don`t want her and her kind here
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
8:38am Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne - Please answer the specific questions I have asked you.
Your failure to do so may be interpreted as conceding that you are indeed a pro palastinian activist and do not care about the human rights of the Israeli children murdered in their homes, schools and buses by palestians.
Your failure to do so may be interpreted as conceding that you are indeed a pro palastinian activist and do not care about the human rights of the Israeli children murdered in their homes, schools and buses by palestians.
sofia, blackburn says...
9:18am Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne i will be attending the protest and look forward to yours and laurens speech. I attended the protest in preston last weekend.
Keep up the good work, its nice to know someone cares!
Keep up the good work, its nice to know someone cares!
sofia, blackburn says...
9:32am Fri 9 Jan 09
Channel 4 reported yesterday...
As a UN aid worker is killed in Gaza, the International Red Cross accuses Israel of breaching humanitarian law. Jonathan Rugman reports.
Conditions for the residents of Gaza worsened still further this afternoon when a United Nations aid agency suspended its operations after one of its workers was killed.
And in unusually strong terms the International Red Cross today criticised Israel after finding four emaciated children among a group of corpses in a house just metres from an Israeli military position.
As a UN aid worker is killed in Gaza, the International Red Cross accuses Israel of breaching humanitarian law. Jonathan Rugman reports.
Conditions for the residents of Gaza worsened still further this afternoon when a United Nations aid agency suspended its operations after one of its workers was killed.
And in unusually strong terms the International Red Cross today criticised Israel after finding four emaciated children among a group of corpses in a house just metres from an Israeli military position.
spyderleg, blackburn says...
9:55am Fri 9 Jan 09
Salim Mulla,stop preaching about Britains responsibility for the problems in the middle east.If you feel so strongly take yourself and your cohorts and go march through Gaza.Many people are sick and tired of people like yourself pontificating about things which don,t concern you.there are enough problems in the UK as it is without you importing more!
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
10:42am Fri 9 Jan 09
To Sofia:
Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated
civilian areas
If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas
Problem solved
I invite you to find fault with this argument
Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated
civilian areas
If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas
Problem solved
I invite you to find fault with this argument
Akki, Accy says...
10:53am Fri 9 Jan 09
judge dread when you say 'what normal right minded .....would want to join Islam' let me tell you official facts show more people are reverting to Islam then anything else, even Vicars and Rabbi's, no-one would join such a negatively portrayed religion without heavy reaserach, why dont you key in Abdul Raheem Green or Yusuf Estas into wikipedia or your beloved youtube. When you say muslims dont condemn 7/7 there were plenty of muslims condemning it, if you didnt see it then you must have been watching the wrong news channels. Yet i fail to see you condemn the isreali massacres on Gaza.
Yvonne i wouldnt bother with some of these lot some people are born to hate.
Yvonne i wouldnt bother with some of these lot some people are born to hate.
easymonies, Disneyland says...
11:02am Fri 9 Jan 09
I have just watched the 'youtube' video of the woman Ridley and her rantings, also the rantings of the sheep who follow her. I sincerely hope she is banned from speaking because all the comments in that video were race hatred against the West. Shame on her. I wonder if she only converted so that she could get a podeum to stand on. Turncoat. Can someone throw a shoe at her?
I condemn the killing of innocent children and of adults caught up in conflict. BUT, and it's a big but, children, women and males are dying on both sides. This is not a one sided conflict. Hamas are as bad and are killing children as well.
This protest march has nothing to do with children, it is a front for Muslims to protest and squeal on how they are being picked on and that they need a team hug.
I only hope the protest is stopped, for security reasons, and that the lasting damage and possible repercussions can be averted.
If not, then I hope God opens the heavens with all the tears of the victims who's lives have been taken by Muslim Fanatics. !!!
I condemn the killing of innocent children and of adults caught up in conflict. BUT, and it's a big but, children, women and males are dying on both sides. This is not a one sided conflict. Hamas are as bad and are killing children as well.
This protest march has nothing to do with children, it is a front for Muslims to protest and squeal on how they are being picked on and that they need a team hug.
I only hope the protest is stopped, for security reasons, and that the lasting damage and possible repercussions can be averted.
If not, then I hope God opens the heavens with all the tears of the victims who's lives have been taken by Muslim Fanatics. !!!
Akki, Accy says...
11:03am Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian Martin wrote:Brian it sounds like you are there on the ground watchin it at first hand, good on you, either that or you take what the isreali's tell you at face value all the time, if isreal is firing back at Hamas then why have their precision guided bombs targeted the UN aid convoy killing the lorry drivers? why did the isreali militry move 110 gazan people inc children into 1 house then fire at killing 30 and injuring the rest?
To Sofia: Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated civilian areas If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas Problem solved I invite you to find fault with this argument
why dont all the isreali militry launch their action from one place like the border as you say, then Hamas wouldnt have a need to fire randomly. what a silly argument you put forward.
Ian_G, Whalley says...
11:15am Fri 9 Jan 09
I would absolutely love to know why Nelson and Blackburn have been chosen for these rallies?
Would the organisers care to explain their reasoning?
Would the organisers care to explain their reasoning?
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
11:18am Fri 9 Jan 09
To Akky - Do you agree that civilians will not be killed if Israel fired from one place only and that Hamas should do the same?
Please don't call my arguments silly when you have failed to defeat them
Please don't call my arguments silly when you have failed to defeat them
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
11:40am Fri 9 Jan 09
T :Big Bob Joylove
Have you ever/are you willing to take part in a protest against the murder by Palastinians of Israeli children?
Have you ever/are you willing to take part in a protest against the murder by Palastinians of Israeli children?
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
12:13pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I just find it such a shame that these demonstrations are obviously opening up such strong and conflicting local feelings in our local area.
The facts of the matter are that israel's response to the threat of rockets is wildly disproprtionate and is killing hundreds of innocent human beings (irrespective of their religion or anything else).
1. That will lead (and is leading) to a wider and more deeply ingrained dislike of israel around the world.
2. Will and is leading to more attackes against israel from various sources.
3. Will solve nothing.
4. Demonstates israel's inflexibility to recognise why its neighbours are so against it - the fact that israel was created artificlially by forcibly evicting people from their homes and land - I think I'd be a bit aggrieved if someone did that to me, wouldn't you?
5. Israel's unshaking and mistaken belief that they are right, better than others and that they have a right to do what ever they like to follow their expansionist tendancies.
And all this from a people that were on the receiving end of similar treatment in the last century....
Will we never learn?!
The facts of the matter are that israel's response to the threat of rockets is wildly disproprtionate and is killing hundreds of innocent human beings (irrespective of their religion or anything else).
1. That will lead (and is leading) to a wider and more deeply ingrained dislike of israel around the world.
2. Will and is leading to more attackes against israel from various sources.
3. Will solve nothing.
4. Demonstates israel's inflexibility to recognise why its neighbours are so against it - the fact that israel was created artificlially by forcibly evicting people from their homes and land - I think I'd be a bit aggrieved if someone did that to me, wouldn't you?
5. Israel's unshaking and mistaken belief that they are right, better than others and that they have a right to do what ever they like to follow their expansionist tendancies.
And all this from a people that were on the receiving end of similar treatment in the last century....
Will we never learn?!
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
12:31pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To:DavidBurnley
Am I correct in concluding that your solution is for the State of Israel to cease to exist?
If so, then please clearly articulate your opinion
Am I correct in concluding that your solution is for the State of Israel to cease to exist?
If so, then please clearly articulate your opinion
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
12:39pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian, I suggest only that no state should take disproprtionate military action against another.
I don't believe the current military action israel is taking will solve anything and I do have reservations about their reasons given the relatively small numbers of casulaties seen on the israeli side.
I beleive a more sensible option would be for israel to look at the reasons why others are against them, recognise the legitimate basis of those reasons and open a dialogue with others in the reason to find a solution that all can live with or tolerate.
How quickly the calls from Iran and other places to destroy israel would lose popular support if israel was seen to be a conciliatory, caring and peaceful neighbour instead of the aggressive, overreactionary and expansionist nation that they portray themselves to be at the moment.
I don't believe the current military action israel is taking will solve anything and I do have reservations about their reasons given the relatively small numbers of casulaties seen on the israeli side.
I beleive a more sensible option would be for israel to look at the reasons why others are against them, recognise the legitimate basis of those reasons and open a dialogue with others in the reason to find a solution that all can live with or tolerate.
How quickly the calls from Iran and other places to destroy israel would lose popular support if israel was seen to be a conciliatory, caring and peaceful neighbour instead of the aggressive, overreactionary and expansionist nation that they portray themselves to be at the moment.
myad51, Blackburn says...
12:44pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I will exercising my right to take part in the march.
Everyone has the right to protest no matter what religion or colour and the march organisers can invite who they like. Who are you to deny this right?
People who are against the march stay at home.
Some people are saying what has comflict in Gaza to do with Blackburn.
I ask what has Britain and US got to do with Iraq and Afghanistan?
we all have the right to defend ourself but not the right to occupy other countries for years and years. Occupation is always resisted no matter where it takes place.
As for someone saying Blackburn is not a nice place. I say go somewhere else.
Muslims are part of Blackburn life whether you like it or not.
Everyone has the right to protest no matter what religion or colour and the march organisers can invite who they like. Who are you to deny this right?
People who are against the march stay at home.
Some people are saying what has comflict in Gaza to do with Blackburn.
I ask what has Britain and US got to do with Iraq and Afghanistan?
we all have the right to defend ourself but not the right to occupy other countries for years and years. Occupation is always resisted no matter where it takes place.
As for someone saying Blackburn is not a nice place. I say go somewhere else.
Muslims are part of Blackburn life whether you like it or not.
Haz, says...
12:47pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I have just had an argument with a work mate...anyone want to come to my march that im going to organise and support me because like all the idiots attending the ("Yvonne Show") march on sunday I HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO
hoodle, humberside says...
12:53pm Fri 9 Jan 09
It seems that free speech, which makes Britain great, is available for all foreign causes but if a nationalist group wants to exercise its rights then it's a non-starter. What do you think Yvonne
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
12:55pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To DavidBurnley,
Are you aware that Hamas regard all of Israel (not just post 67) as occupied territory?
Are you aware that Hamas calls for the murder of jews worldwide?
I appreciate that some people regard both as acceptable and believe that once these objectives have been achieved, there will be peace in the world
Which of these two of Hamas's objectives do you consider acceptable?
Are you aware that Hamas regard all of Israel (not just post 67) as occupied territory?
Are you aware that Hamas calls for the murder of jews worldwide?
I appreciate that some people regard both as acceptable and believe that once these objectives have been achieved, there will be peace in the world
Which of these two of Hamas's objectives do you consider acceptable?
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
12:55pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Hoodle - I'd go further. If a Scottish or Welsh nationalist group wants to exercise their right to free speech they are applauded. Different story if it's a English nationlist group though!
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
1:00pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian, I don't know which political slant your newspaper has but there are others that say different things about hamas.
Just to be clear - I have no political or ideological affinity with hamas, muslims, jews or any other group involved in this conflict.
I speak simply from the point of view that there are reasons why israel finds itself disliked and they fail to see or address those reasons.
that said, I can empathise with the view that all israeli territory is in fact occupied land - technically and factually it is. That is the root cause of the continuous conflict in the region and israel needs to address that fact if anything is to be improved for everyone in the region.
Just to be clear - I have no political or ideological affinity with hamas, muslims, jews or any other group involved in this conflict.
I speak simply from the point of view that there are reasons why israel finds itself disliked and they fail to see or address those reasons.
that said, I can empathise with the view that all israeli territory is in fact occupied land - technically and factually it is. That is the root cause of the continuous conflict in the region and israel needs to address that fact if anything is to be improved for everyone in the region.
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
1:10pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To DavidBurnley,
If it is occupied land then here is a very easy question for you:
Please name the following facts relating to the land within the pre 67 borders of israel for the period 1800 to 1948
national currency?
political parties?
ruler/prime minister?
names of foreign embassies located there?
capital city?
If it is occupied land then here is a very easy question for you:
Please name the following facts relating to the land within the pre 67 borders of israel for the period 1800 to 1948
national currency?
political parties?
ruler/prime minister?
names of foreign embassies located there?
capital city?
amarsden, Padiham says...
1:14pm Fri 9 Jan 09
was that picture of women and children REALLY taken in Gaza??
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
1:18pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian - don't be silly. As you well know, there were many. Occupation doesn't respect the borders of any previous countries. take a look at a map of Europe before 1939, one in 1943 and one from today. The nature of occupation does not swallow up former countries in the way you suggest.
What does matter is that there were human beings living in the areas that now form israel before israel existed. Those people, whose families could have occupied that land for centuries were forcibly evicted and removed. Is that right? Does that not explain why some people feel the way they do about israel?
What does matter is that there were human beings living in the areas that now form israel before israel existed. Those people, whose families could have occupied that land for centuries were forcibly evicted and removed. Is that right? Does that not explain why some people feel the way they do about israel?
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
1:26pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To:DavidBurnley
Actually David you are wrong about them being forcibly evicted !
c 1948
point 1 - many were jews who had lived there for hundreds of years
point 2 - the mulla of jerusalem called for all muslim civilians to leave the area until all the jews had been killed and the area was judenfrei
point 3
it was the surrounding arab countries that forcibly evicted the jews living there
You still havn't answered my original questions to you - why not?
Actually David you are wrong about them being forcibly evicted !
c 1948
point 1 - many were jews who had lived there for hundreds of years
point 2 - the mulla of jerusalem called for all muslim civilians to leave the area until all the jews had been killed and the area was judenfrei
point 3
it was the surrounding arab countries that forcibly evicted the jews living there
You still havn't answered my original questions to you - why not?
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
1:45pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I wasn't aware that mulla's in arab lands spoke German?!
I've answered every question you have posed.
It depends what national suffix the site your google search leads you to as to which version of historical events is presented as the de facto version.
To be honest, I could not care less whether israel exists or it doesn't. It doesn't affect me personally what the history of the region is or what the basis of the hatred on both sides is.
The point is that the military action being taken by a richer country agaisnt a poorer one will solve nothing. It will only lead to further entrenchment of the views people already hold and will cause untold problems in the future.
Israel is the aggressor in this instance and their attempts to cloak this in the sanctity of 'retaliation' bears no resemblance to the sheer force they are using against innocent human beings - that is the crime being committed here, in my opinion.
I've answered every question you have posed.
It depends what national suffix the site your google search leads you to as to which version of historical events is presented as the de facto version.
To be honest, I could not care less whether israel exists or it doesn't. It doesn't affect me personally what the history of the region is or what the basis of the hatred on both sides is.
The point is that the military action being taken by a richer country agaisnt a poorer one will solve nothing. It will only lead to further entrenchment of the views people already hold and will cause untold problems in the future.
Israel is the aggressor in this instance and their attempts to cloak this in the sanctity of 'retaliation' bears no resemblance to the sheer force they are using against innocent human beings - that is the crime being committed here, in my opinion.
easymonies, Disneyland says...
1:58pm Fri 9 Jan 09
myad51, Blackburn says...
12:44pm Fri 9 Jan 09
'People who are against the march stay at home.
Some people are saying what has comflict in Gaza to do with Blackburn.
I ask what has Britain and US got to do with Iraq and Afghanistan?
we all have the right to defend ourself but not the right to occupy other countries for years and years. Occupation is always resisted no matter where it takes place.'
I read your comments with interest. As the way I am starting to see things there are elements who are occupying the UK which if truth be told perhaps should go the land to their fathers.
And what has the conflict got to do with Blackburn? Nothing.
12:44pm Fri 9 Jan 09
'People who are against the march stay at home.
Some people are saying what has comflict in Gaza to do with Blackburn.
I ask what has Britain and US got to do with Iraq and Afghanistan?
we all have the right to defend ourself but not the right to occupy other countries for years and years. Occupation is always resisted no matter where it takes place.'
I read your comments with interest. As the way I am starting to see things there are elements who are occupying the UK which if truth be told perhaps should go the land to their fathers.
And what has the conflict got to do with Blackburn? Nothing.
Riverside Ant, Lower Darwen says...
1:59pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian Martin wrote:Very true Brian but when their rockets land in Israel and kill Jewish civilians then the likes of Booth & Ridley will say or do 'diddly-squat'.
To Sofia: Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated civilian areas If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas Problem solved I invite you to find fault with this argument
Civilians being killed in any war on either side is surely equally unacceptable? Or did I miss summat?
Take your protests to somewhere more relevant, I doubt the 'Powers that be' in Israel with notice a few dozen of you in Corporation Park!
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
2:01pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To:DavidBurnley,
The mullas spoke one word of german - judenfrei - it means free of jews.
They were big fans of hitler - are you?
Please don't be sarcastic - it merely shows your ignrorance of history
You have still not answered my questions, so please do not claim to have done so
I have reiterated them below
Are you aware that Hamas regard all of Israel (not just post 67) as occupied territory?
Are you aware that Hamas calls for the murder of jews worldwide?
I appreciate that some people regard both as acceptable and believe that once these objectives have been achieved, there will be peace in the world
Which of these two of Hamas's objectives do you consider acceptable?
The mullas spoke one word of german - judenfrei - it means free of jews.
They were big fans of hitler - are you?
Please don't be sarcastic - it merely shows your ignrorance of history
You have still not answered my questions, so please do not claim to have done so
I have reiterated them below
Are you aware that Hamas regard all of Israel (not just post 67) as occupied territory?
Are you aware that Hamas calls for the murder of jews worldwide?
I appreciate that some people regard both as acceptable and believe that once these objectives have been achieved, there will be peace in the world
Which of these two of Hamas's objectives do you consider acceptable?
The offspring, Blackburn says...
2:05pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Would it be possible to include an anti Mugabi theme in this human rights march?
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
2:10pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian, I need no explanation of the German term thanks - my German is fluent.
I have used no sarcasm, just fact.
I have answered all of your questions - I'm sorry if my answers are not the ones you would prefer I gave.
To reiterate - I have no interest in the aims and aspirations of hamas or any other politcal group in the region. I neither disagree, nor agree with them - I am simply uninterested.
I am just sad that human beings are being killed by the score by a country that prefer to use disproportionate force against, in the main, un armed civillians.
I hope I have set that out clearly enough now for you Brian.
I have used no sarcasm, just fact.
I have answered all of your questions - I'm sorry if my answers are not the ones you would prefer I gave.
To reiterate - I have no interest in the aims and aspirations of hamas or any other politcal group in the region. I neither disagree, nor agree with them - I am simply uninterested.
I am just sad that human beings are being killed by the score by a country that prefer to use disproportionate force against, in the main, un armed civillians.
I hope I have set that out clearly enough now for you Brian.
Grizzly, Darwen says...
2:11pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Whilst i do not agree with what israel are doing, there is no way i would go to a rally where such a bigot as Yvonne Ridley is speaking.
She will do more harm for the local community than what her rally could do for the people of Gaza.
Do not attend, if you have issues with what is currently happening, voice them another way. She is using this for her own perpetual hate mongering desire which is down right disgusting.
She will do more harm for the local community than what her rally could do for the people of Gaza.
Do not attend, if you have issues with what is currently happening, voice them another way. She is using this for her own perpetual hate mongering desire which is down right disgusting.
matureoak, blackburn says...
2:13pm Fri 9 Jan 09
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAMAS HERE!! We are talking about the mass slaughter and genocide of innocent civilians - mostly whom are women and children. This has NOTHING to do with religion or Hamas or anything else.
I am going to Corporation Park to show solidarity to the Palestinian people. All you racist bigots can stay. You are not human.
I am going to Corporation Park to show solidarity to the Palestinian people. All you racist bigots can stay. You are not human.
Ovais789, Blackburn says...
2:15pm Fri 9 Jan 09
MrReasonable. Israel was a muslim country before the jews took over. You go to Jerusalem and you will be suprised at the number of muslims living in that country
Yvonne, I look forward to seeing you on Sunday.
If this was the other way around, i'm sure all you idiots would be the first to organise a march!!!!
The fact is a muslim country is being attacked, and you guys couldn't give a s***
Yvonne, I look forward to seeing you on Sunday.
If this was the other way around, i'm sure all you idiots would be the first to organise a march!!!!
The fact is a muslim country is being attacked, and you guys couldn't give a s***
mubs123, Blackburn says...
2:19pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Sister Yvonne
Please do come to our town and educate these people who seem to know everything by what the media say and let the TRUTH fall. Yes the truth. 10 Isrealis die and 650 palestinians are killed wheres the justice in that.
This is an illegal war which has been back by half the world including the united nation.
We need you to educate people regarding the sufferings that palestinians are going through.
People are always pointing their fingers at the palestinians why beacuse they MUSLIMS. enough said.
Please do come to our town and educate these people who seem to know everything by what the media say and let the TRUTH fall. Yes the truth. 10 Isrealis die and 650 palestinians are killed wheres the justice in that.
This is an illegal war which has been back by half the world including the united nation.
We need you to educate people regarding the sufferings that palestinians are going through.
People are always pointing their fingers at the palestinians why beacuse they MUSLIMS. enough said.
matureoak, blackburn says...
2:20pm Fri 9 Jan 09
A few of the innocents: "In one of the most appalling incidents, the International Red Cross in Geneva reported that on Wednesday its aid workers discovered four starving children lying next to their dead mothers in a house in the Zaytuon neighborhood south of Gaza City. The Red Cross had been trying since Saturday to send ambulances into the area, but only received permission from the Israeli military on Wednesday. The delay was a death sentence for many wounded civilians in the area.
Medical crews from the Red Cross and the Palestinian Red Crescent reported finding 12 corpses lying on mattresses in the house together with the children and their murdered mothers. The children were so weak from hunger that they were unable to stand. The medical teams were compelled to evacuate surviving wounded on donkey carts because the Israeli military would not allow ambulances into the area. The Israeli troops threatened to fire on the ambulance teams if they did not leave, but the medical workers refused to stop their work until they were actually shot at.
The Red Cross issued a rare denunciation of Israeli actions, calling them unacceptable and charging the Israeli government with having “failed to meet its obligation under international humanitarian law to care for and evacuate the wounded.” In other words, it accused the Israeli regime of having carried out a war crime. “This is a shocking incident,” said Pierre Wettach, the Red Cross’s head of delegation for Israel and the Palestinian territories. “The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded.”
The Geneva Conventions specify that warring parties must ensure “all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick” and stipulates that the wounded “shall not willfully be left without medical assistance and care.”
Medical crews from the Red Cross and the Palestinian Red Crescent reported finding 12 corpses lying on mattresses in the house together with the children and their murdered mothers. The children were so weak from hunger that they were unable to stand. The medical teams were compelled to evacuate surviving wounded on donkey carts because the Israeli military would not allow ambulances into the area. The Israeli troops threatened to fire on the ambulance teams if they did not leave, but the medical workers refused to stop their work until they were actually shot at.
The Red Cross issued a rare denunciation of Israeli actions, calling them unacceptable and charging the Israeli government with having “failed to meet its obligation under international humanitarian law to care for and evacuate the wounded.” In other words, it accused the Israeli regime of having carried out a war crime. “This is a shocking incident,” said Pierre Wettach, the Red Cross’s head of delegation for Israel and the Palestinian territories. “The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded.”
The Geneva Conventions specify that warring parties must ensure “all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick” and stipulates that the wounded “shall not willfully be left without medical assistance and care.”
matureoak, blackburn says...
2:25pm Fri 9 Jan 09
ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST REGIME. FULL STOP. JUST BECAUSE THEY CONTROL THE MEDIA CANNOT CHANGE THE FACTS.
NevaStop, Blackburn says...
3:06pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I support any march to help people like me who feel the genocide that Israel is carrying is wrong and how the UN and stand and watch only because america don't back any ceasefire if they do Israel would stop(ask yourself why). but people on here dnt want this and they just live in ignorance.
Yvonne Ridley we welocme you to our town.It helps to see people feel the pain as i do and my friend do just from watching the news and listening to all the international laws being broken without a peep from the international community.(so imagine people in GAZA i just cudnt imagine it and hope god helps them). there is no point discussing with some people on here they comment on only ethnic issues and not on ordinary issues its not there style i been watching cooments for a year now and thats all i see just suprised Frank is not saying anything!
PEACE
Yvonne Ridley we welocme you to our town.It helps to see people feel the pain as i do and my friend do just from watching the news and listening to all the international laws being broken without a peep from the international community.(so imagine people in GAZA i just cudnt imagine it and hope god helps them). there is no point discussing with some people on here they comment on only ethnic issues and not on ordinary issues its not there style i been watching cooments for a year now and thats all i see just suprised Frank is not saying anything!
PEACE
gadjet_man, Blackburn says...
3:11pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Not sure why people have to Bring GOD into this ... This war is about land, occupation, oppression and the randomn unhindered and consented (by the silence ARABS/USA/UK) mutilation of HUMANS.
For the record the march is in Blackburn cos we were born bred educated and have paid our way in this Town, It is a vibrant brilliant place to live in and I for one appreciate it, The LCM have said they are paying for the March so the TAX payer (that inc's me, my freinds + Family) need not worry.
Regarding the quotes about the war in the far away place ... say that to your parents who I'm sure will have appreciated the help of the Yanks (some of who were stationed in the Witton Park Fields during the second world war)whilst Hitler's mob was on the verge of saying Guten Morgen at Dover !!
Get real folks this is about people innocent people Jews/Muslims/Christi
ans whoever innocent is innocent ... they need our help in whatever way we can give it... I feel this Rally will make some noise somewhere whilst it matters... Sure in a fortnight all this will be forgotten ... But Right now it matters we need an IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE... from both sides
For the record the march is in Blackburn cos we were born bred educated and have paid our way in this Town, It is a vibrant brilliant place to live in and I for one appreciate it, The LCM have said they are paying for the March so the TAX payer (that inc's me, my freinds + Family) need not worry.
Regarding the quotes about the war in the far away place ... say that to your parents who I'm sure will have appreciated the help of the Yanks (some of who were stationed in the Witton Park Fields during the second world war)whilst Hitler's mob was on the verge of saying Guten Morgen at Dover !!
Get real folks this is about people innocent people Jews/Muslims/Christi
ans whoever innocent is innocent ... they need our help in whatever way we can give it... I feel this Rally will make some noise somewhere whilst it matters... Sure in a fortnight all this will be forgotten ... But Right now it matters we need an IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE... from both sides
DannyP87, Blackburn says...
3:12pm Fri 9 Jan 09
mubs123 wrote:Mubs - I'm not a racist person as I work with Muslims and have a few friends who are muslims but let me tell you one thing. Muslims only have themselves to blame, fair enough a minority but as the second biggest religion in the world that minority is a hell of a lot people.
Sister Yvonne
Please do come to our town and educate these people who seem to know everything by what the media say and let the TRUTH fall. Yes the truth. 10 Isrealis die and 650 palestinians are killed wheres the justice in that.
This is an illegal war which has been back by half the world including the united nation.
We need you to educate people regarding the sufferings that palestinians are going through.
People are always pointing their fingers at the palestinians why beacuse they MUSLIMS. enough said.
The most cowardly way of killing someone, by suicide. Muslims are doing it all over the world, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, India, Israel, Indonesia, UK, USA with probably more countries.
People of all religions are to be honest sick of hearing about predujice against Muslims, we just want to live a life in peace but we can't even in our own town by a stupid get together by 3 no ones and a MP who all want to have the limelight.
It's bloody stupid.
gadjet_man, Blackburn says...
3:23pm Fri 9 Jan 09
DannyP87 Appreciate your concern ... but have you asked your self how can so many people become so perverted to kill themselves, ? especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical ??
Ever heard of Cause and Effect ? is this perverted ? or is it desperation ?
Ever heard of Cause and Effect ? is this perverted ? or is it desperation ?
DannyP87, Blackburn says...
3:28pm Fri 9 Jan 09
gadjet_man wrote:What was the reason for 4 British Muslim men to blow up 3 trains and one bus full of innocent British people?
DannyP87 Appreciate your concern ... but have you asked your self how can so many people become so perverted to kill themselves, ? especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical ??
Ever heard of Cause and Effect ? is this perverted ? or is it desperation ?
Becasue of Iraq? The Governments decision to go there so blow up British people? That's neither perverted nor desperation it's plain stupid insanity
myad51, Blackburn says...
3:28pm Fri 9 Jan 09
easymoney
I take it elements you are refering to muslims.If you think these element have taken over the country then you need your head examined. There is no cure for your delusuion
I take it elements you are refering to muslims.If you think these element have taken over the country then you need your head examined. There is no cure for your delusuion
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
3:31pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To: gadjet_man,
You state that "many people become so perverted to kill themselves
especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical"
I invite the muslim leaders in our community to condemn such actions as suicide bombers as being a perversion of islam and to brand Hamas as not representing true mulims by its actions and word
Yvonne - you are a muslim so please begin that process
You state that "many people become so perverted to kill themselves
especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical"
I invite the muslim leaders in our community to condemn such actions as suicide bombers as being a perversion of islam and to brand Hamas as not representing true mulims by its actions and word
Yvonne - you are a muslim so please begin that process
mick b, Accrington says...
3:39pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Dear Yvonne,
It is one thing to tolerate a ****, stone-age idolatory, which in it's more enlightened moments insists that dressing women from top to toe in sacks is de riguer. It is quite another thing entirely for this politically inspired version of Mahommedanism to be institutionalised within the civic amenities of a once proud county.
The march of cultural appeasement is proceeding apace and has now it appears to have reached endemic proportions within East Lancashire.
You cannot expect people to smile indulgently and pretend that this is evidence of 'tolerance' and 'diversity', no matter how superior or enlightened that this makes you feel. Is it tolerance to tolerate the intolerant strictures of a virulently reactionary and absolutist philosophical doctrine? If that's your idea of equality go re-read Mohammed's hadiths Yvonne.
Naturally I wouldn't expect my views to go down too well with our local Imams, should they be able to read English of course. Let's however look at the strictures of what Hamas is effectively endorsing: sermons of hate against women, homosexuals, Moslem converts to other faiths, adulterers, anti- Semitic and misogynistic messages of hate against other faiths.
A society that kowtows to a backward looking minority constituency does far more damaging to the social cohesion of the community, which it is supposed to represent. Lauren Booth's self-flagellating liberal pieties notwithstanding, the advocates of accomodation presumably do not live within earshot of Whalley Range nor Audley and therfore do not have to suffer the alien wails of the Muezzin at close proximity.
The glue that holds Judeo-Christian all together is weakened by this craven pandering to a disinterested and even hostile presence. What really causes barriers and divisions is the latitude afforded to the disciples of an intolerant creed, and the continual placating of minorities — no matter how abhorrent their religious views are to the rest of us.
I'm not against Muslims per se, but in respect of Islam; where shall I start? Islam wishes to conquer the world, it is illiberal, arrogant and authoritarian and hell bent on destroying the rest of us. The ideology promotes hatred and division.
Blackburn was chosen for this demonstration, if truth be told, because of a large population of Moslems, whose antecedents hail from one of the most economically failed, culturally primitive and barbaric places on earth. This caucus is becoming ever more conservative in its values and ever more strident in its demands. In other words just the type of constituency prone to the sort of manipulation and rabble rousing from a self-indulgent and cynical publicity seeker like you.
If you feel so strongly about the decadent West and its corrupt policies, there are scores of Islamic countries to where you could decamp. I'm sure once there you could hawk your conscience and newly adorned faith to whomever is willing to put up with you.
Blackburn certainly doesn't need you.
It is one thing to tolerate a ****, stone-age idolatory, which in it's more enlightened moments insists that dressing women from top to toe in sacks is de riguer. It is quite another thing entirely for this politically inspired version of Mahommedanism to be institutionalised within the civic amenities of a once proud county.
The march of cultural appeasement is proceeding apace and has now it appears to have reached endemic proportions within East Lancashire.
You cannot expect people to smile indulgently and pretend that this is evidence of 'tolerance' and 'diversity', no matter how superior or enlightened that this makes you feel. Is it tolerance to tolerate the intolerant strictures of a virulently reactionary and absolutist philosophical doctrine? If that's your idea of equality go re-read Mohammed's hadiths Yvonne.
Naturally I wouldn't expect my views to go down too well with our local Imams, should they be able to read English of course. Let's however look at the strictures of what Hamas is effectively endorsing: sermons of hate against women, homosexuals, Moslem converts to other faiths, adulterers, anti- Semitic and misogynistic messages of hate against other faiths.
A society that kowtows to a backward looking minority constituency does far more damaging to the social cohesion of the community, which it is supposed to represent. Lauren Booth's self-flagellating liberal pieties notwithstanding, the advocates of accomodation presumably do not live within earshot of Whalley Range nor Audley and therfore do not have to suffer the alien wails of the Muezzin at close proximity.
The glue that holds Judeo-Christian all together is weakened by this craven pandering to a disinterested and even hostile presence. What really causes barriers and divisions is the latitude afforded to the disciples of an intolerant creed, and the continual placating of minorities — no matter how abhorrent their religious views are to the rest of us.
I'm not against Muslims per se, but in respect of Islam; where shall I start? Islam wishes to conquer the world, it is illiberal, arrogant and authoritarian and hell bent on destroying the rest of us. The ideology promotes hatred and division.
Blackburn was chosen for this demonstration, if truth be told, because of a large population of Moslems, whose antecedents hail from one of the most economically failed, culturally primitive and barbaric places on earth. This caucus is becoming ever more conservative in its values and ever more strident in its demands. In other words just the type of constituency prone to the sort of manipulation and rabble rousing from a self-indulgent and cynical publicity seeker like you.
If you feel so strongly about the decadent West and its corrupt policies, there are scores of Islamic countries to where you could decamp. I'm sure once there you could hawk your conscience and newly adorned faith to whomever is willing to put up with you.
Blackburn certainly doesn't need you.
myad51, Blackburn says...
3:39pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Follow the link below and find out what a JEWISH professor thinks of this conflict.
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/world/2009/jan
/07/gaza-israel-pale
stine
Surely he is not biased against Israel he is telling it how it is.
That takes some guts.
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/world/2009/jan
/07/gaza-israel-pale
stine
Surely he is not biased against Israel he is telling it how it is.
That takes some guts.
mubs123, Blackburn says...
3:39pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian Martin wrote:Brian Martin
To: gadjet_man, You state that "many people become so perverted to kill themselves especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical" I invite the muslim leaders in our community to condemn such actions as suicide bombers as being a perversion of islam and to brand Hamas as not representing true mulims by its actions and word Yvonne - you are a muslim so please begin that process
dont know which news you have been reading but all the community leaders have come out against suicide bombing which has been condemmed
andy1, burnley says...
3:40pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Whos right and whos wrong I do not know. I am all in favour of a Palastinian state. I do accept that there was no country called Israel until 1947 it was just a name in two books Bible and the Tora. All I know is that this senseless war which has been going on for Centuries needs to stop and needs to stop now. I srael has to comply with many a UN Resolution on her because I am sorry to say this we have invaded one Country called Iraq because the regime would not comply with the will of the International Community. These sides have all got to get around a table and talk. Both these religions Jews and Muslims belive in the so called same God but have different ideas. Thankfully Im Pagan and dont belive in one supreme being. Hamas was democraticaly elected thats a favourite word of the likes of Bush. What happens next when the Yanks dont like an elected Government they call them a terrorist organisation. Get the Peace talks going get it now and the Powers that be do not let the Representitives leave until a proper agreement is signed sealed and dusted. Who ever breaks the agreement if it happens whether it be Israel or the Palastinian Hamas movement not the PLO Fatah movement has Dukebar says should then be brought (The leaders) before the International Courts and charged has War Criminals simple. Both Hamas and Israel have blood on their hands. Two wrongs do not make a right. In regards to the Peace March Im not sure what it will achieve if any but it is up to individuals to decide to go or not to go. I know Muslim and Jewish people can get on and know quite a number from both communities.
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
3:41pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian, you are trying to divert the point agin!
How many suicide bombers have there ever been? How many muslims have there ever been - work one out as a percentage as another.
In any group of people irrespective of their religion, politics, nationality or any other factor, you will always get a small minority of extremists.
I do not condone extremist behaviour be it suicide bombers or anything else, in fact I abhor it.
However, this is about the slaughter of innocent human beings by a military power using tanks and guns to crack a walnut.
Please stick to the point Brian or just come out and say that you don't care about the human life being lost.
And... for the record, I won't be attending the rally as I also view the organiser as an extremist whose views and opinions only serve to widen gaps between people, inflame feelings and cause hatred - as evidenced by the debate here above!
How many suicide bombers have there ever been? How many muslims have there ever been - work one out as a percentage as another.
In any group of people irrespective of their religion, politics, nationality or any other factor, you will always get a small minority of extremists.
I do not condone extremist behaviour be it suicide bombers or anything else, in fact I abhor it.
However, this is about the slaughter of innocent human beings by a military power using tanks and guns to crack a walnut.
Please stick to the point Brian or just come out and say that you don't care about the human life being lost.
And... for the record, I won't be attending the rally as I also view the organiser as an extremist whose views and opinions only serve to widen gaps between people, inflame feelings and cause hatred - as evidenced by the debate here above!
Akki, Accy says...
3:43pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian Martin can you tell me why the isreali's yesterday rounded up 110 men women and mainly children, placed them all in 1 house and then shelled it instantly killing at least 30 people and injuring the rest? and why they didnt let ambulances access to house afterwards?
and why you think we are not allowed to rotest about this ethnic cleansing?
can you also tell me why the zionist authorities are not allowing foreign journalists free entry into Gaza?
and why you think we are not allowed to rotest about this ethnic cleansing?
can you also tell me why the zionist authorities are not allowing foreign journalists free entry into Gaza?
mick b, Accrington says...
3:51pm Fri 9 Jan 09
The Palestinians in Gaza today are desperate because they are prisoners of their own delusions and their own self-imposed culture of victimization.
We all know that the issue for Hamas is not to end the occupation of Gaza - that ended a few years ago with unilateral withdrawal from the territory legitimately captured in the Six Day War.
No, Hamas does not want to end the occupation. Hamas wants to end Israel's existence.
We all know that the issue for Hamas is not to end the occupation of Gaza - that ended a few years ago with unilateral withdrawal from the territory legitimately captured in the Six Day War.
No, Hamas does not want to end the occupation. Hamas wants to end Israel's existence.
mick b, Accrington says...
3:58pm Fri 9 Jan 09
myad51 wrote:The Islamic fundamentalism that fuels Palestinian hatred of the State of Israel is based on the principle that Jews are inferior to Muslims because the infidels rejected Muhammad as the final prophet of God.
Follow the link below and find out what a JEWISH professor thinks of this conflict. http://www.guardian. co.uk/world/2009/jan /07/gaza-israel-pale stine Surely he is not biased against Israel he is telling it how it is. That takes some guts.
A thriving State of Israel reminds Hamas every day that its existence has been a reality for 60 years and will remain a reality for another 600.
The Palestinians do not want to return to the pre-1967 borders. Their demand and their actions indicate that their wish is to return to the 1867 borders - that is, a Middle East without Israel in a Muslim empire ruled by Shari'a.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:00pm Fri 9 Jan 09
myad51 wrote:Yeah. All Jews think the same way right?
Follow the link below and find out what a JEWISH professor thinks of this conflict. http://www.guardian. co.uk/world/2009/jan /07/gaza-israel-pale stine Surely he is not biased against Israel he is telling it how it is. That takes some guts.
gadjet_man, Blackburn says...
4:03pm Fri 9 Jan 09
DannyP87 wrote:I'll meet you half way, Yes mate it was plain stupidity and murderous they were brain washed into thinking they would achieve something, they nothing except further condemnation and abuse of Law abiding Muslims, but will you be man enough to come half way and accept that the driving factor was Desperation ??
gadjet_man wrote: DannyP87 Appreciate your concern ... but have you asked your self how can so many people become so perverted to kill themselves, ? especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical ?? Ever heard of Cause and Effect ? is this perverted ? or is it desperation ?What was the reason for 4 British Muslim men to blow up 3 trains and one bus full of innocent British people? Becasue of Iraq? The Governments decision to go there so blow up British people? That's neither perverted nor desperation it's plain stupid insanity
Brian Martin...
How many leaders of the community have you spoken to or bothered to seek the opinion of ?? none I'm sure... Because if you did you would know they all condemn such acts, go to any leader of the community and seek their opinion ... get your facts in person, you will be surprised how caring concerened Muslims are.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:04pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Akki wrote:The Palestinian leadership has never made it a secret that it wants the land "between the river and the sea" - that is, the Jewish state itself. On January 11, 2001, Sheikh Ikrima Sabri, the mufti of Jerusalem and Palestine appointed by the Palestinian Authority, stated on Palestinian television that when his followers speak about Jerusalem, it does not mean they "have forgotten about Hebron or about Jaffa or about Acre... We have announced a number of times that from a religious point of view Palestine from the sea to the river is Islamic."
judge dread when you say 'what normal right minded .....would want to join Islam' let me tell you official facts show more people are reverting to Islam then anything else, even Vicars and Rabbi's, no-one would join such a negatively portrayed religion without heavy reaserach, why dont you key in Abdul Raheem Green or Yusuf Estas into wikipedia or your beloved youtube. When you say muslims dont condemn 7/7 there were plenty of muslims condemning it, if you didnt see it then you must have been watching the wrong news channels. Yet i fail to see you condemn the isreali massacres on Gaza. Yvonne i wouldnt bother with some of these lot some people are born to hate.
Did he speak for all Palestinians? Do all Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank dream of a Middle East without a State of Israel? We know that the Palestinian religious and political leadership - and Hizbullah and the president of Iran - envision a day when "the Zionist entity" will magically disappear.
That's what tomorrows demonstration is really about!
mick b, Accrington says...
4:11pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Rovers Girl wrote:Hamas's leaders must be blind. They do not have the eyes to see that the sustained bombing of southern Israel has only produced human misery for Jews and for themselves.
I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza! The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND! I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday! The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye. Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there! FREE THE PALESTINE!! END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!
If innocent civilians die when Israel targets the terrorist infrastructure; who is to blame?
Israel left Gaza long ago.
This is now the Palestinians' territory.
Why in the world did Hamas fire rockets into Israel 3 years after it left?
Akki, Accy says...
4:12pm Fri 9 Jan 09
mick b, without waffling on, i can tell you Hamas has always backed the two state solution, that has never transpired to this day, all thats happening is illegal settlements are increasing day by day, while palestinian homes are being bulldozed. These are the facts.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:16pm Fri 9 Jan 09
DavidBurnley wrote:The hate of Israel that results from their understanding of Islam blinds Hamas terrorists to a reality that must trouble them, gnaw away at their confidence and overturn their sacred understanding of history's rights and wrongs.
Brian - don't be silly. As you well know, there were many. Occupation doesn't respect the borders of any previous countries. take a look at a map of Europe before 1939, one in 1943 and one from today. The nature of occupation does not swallow up former countries in the way you suggest. What does matter is that there were human beings living in the areas that now form israel before israel existed. Those people, whose families could have occupied that land for centuries were forcibly evicted and removed. Is that right? Does that not explain why some people feel the way they do about israel?
The followers of Hamas are driven by the delusion of erasing the shame of 1948, and they cannot move beyond that.
Useful idiots like you simply encourage their self-delusion.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:19pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Akki wrote:If Sderot were the only issue in the war in Gaza, it would be disturbing but not alarming.
mick b, without waffling on, i can tell you Hamas has always backed the two state solution, that has never transpired to this day, all thats happening is illegal settlements are increasing day by day, while palestinian homes are being bulldozed. These are the facts.
But the alarm must be sounded.
With Iran's pursuing the development of nuclear weapons, with Hizbullah dominating the government of Lebanon, with Hamas targeting larger cities in Israel's interior - this blindness to the reality of a thriving Israel poses a disaster to the world.
Israel's enemies delude themselves into thinking it is on its last legs and about to topple into the sea.
The war in Gaza has proven, Israel is ready to fight back and defend its sovereignty and its reality in history.
Akki, Accy says...
4:21pm Fri 9 Jan 09
mick b perhaps you dont watch the news until the last minute but let me fill you in - isreali left Gaza 3 or so years ago as you say, yet they continued all the while to carry out airstrikes killing hamas members and civilians throughout those 3 years, and they carried out major blockades at crossing not allowing foods in until the last minute, illegal under UN resolutions, this is why Hamas continued the resistence.
duke bar, burnley says...
4:25pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims .
I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts.
Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza.
Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks.
This would never ever happen in a muslim land.
It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim.
Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war.
Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing
Is this what the Koran teaches muslims..
I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanks
I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts.
Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza.
Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks.
This would never ever happen in a muslim land.
It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim.
Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war.
Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing
Is this what the Koran teaches muslims..
I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanks
molviuk, Preston says...
4:26pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Hi.
It’s fascinating to see how ignorant people really are about what happens in the World. This is shown clearly through people’s views on this forum.
You might want to ask how many Innocent Palestinians have been killed in this oppression, especially children? And on the other hand how many Israeli soldiers have died! Oh yeah! We can’t count them deaths can we, because they were in friendly fire! (Over 750 Palestinian ‘Citizens’ dead and a hand full of Israeli ‘Soldiers’).
Israel is a country with such a big arsenal of weapons (funded by the US) and supported by who, yes! You guessed it! Our British government! But the Palestinians have what? Just a few rockets! Just shows how unfair it is! If our government can spend money on supporting the TERRORIST GROUP CALED ISRAEL, then it can also spend money on policing a peaceful march for the stolen land of Palestine!
Leave you bias views at home and don’t believe everything you see on TV!
Try researching what really happened in the Middle East, then come back to the forum!
Sid
It’s fascinating to see how ignorant people really are about what happens in the World. This is shown clearly through people’s views on this forum.
You might want to ask how many Innocent Palestinians have been killed in this oppression, especially children? And on the other hand how many Israeli soldiers have died! Oh yeah! We can’t count them deaths can we, because they were in friendly fire! (Over 750 Palestinian ‘Citizens’ dead and a hand full of Israeli ‘Soldiers’).
Israel is a country with such a big arsenal of weapons (funded by the US) and supported by who, yes! You guessed it! Our British government! But the Palestinians have what? Just a few rockets! Just shows how unfair it is! If our government can spend money on supporting the TERRORIST GROUP CALED ISRAEL, then it can also spend money on policing a peaceful march for the stolen land of Palestine!
Leave you bias views at home and don’t believe everything you see on TV!
Try researching what really happened in the Middle East, then come back to the forum!
Sid
mick b, Accrington says...
4:27pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:Let the Palestinians have their culture of victim iconography.
Channel 4 reported yesterday... As a UN aid worker is killed in Gaza, the International Red Cross accuses Israel of breaching humanitarian law. Jonathan Rugman reports. Conditions for the residents of Gaza worsened still further this afternoon when a United Nations aid agency suspended its operations after one of its workers was killed. And in unusually strong terms the International Red Cross today criticised Israel after finding four emaciated children among a group of corpses in a house just metres from an Israeli military position.
People have had enough of aggrieved Moslems demonstrating over offensive books (UK), Danish cartoons, Durch film makers Iraq, Palestine.
Here's an idea for Lauren and Yvonne. What about organising a demonstration against the Islamic inspired hanging of homosexuals, the stoning of 'adulterous women', the death penalty for 'apostates'
...no thought not!
mick b, Accrington says...
4:34pm Fri 9 Jan 09
molviuk wrote:Why does the world weep for the people in Gaza? Has it forgotten how Gazans took to the streets after 9/11, dancing and cheering the deaths of thousands of Americans? Or the hundreds of times Gazans have celebrated with glee the deaths of Israelis, including children, in terrorist attacks?
Hi. It’s fascinating to see how ignorant people really are about what happens in the World. This is shown clearly through people’s views on this forum. You might want to ask how many Innocent Palestinians have been killed in this oppression, especially children? And on the other hand how many Israeli soldiers have died! Oh yeah! We can’t count them deaths can we, because they were in friendly fire! (Over 750 Palestinian ‘Citizens’ dead and a hand full of Israeli ‘Soldiers’). Israel is a country with such a big arsenal of weapons (funded by the US) and supported by who, yes! You guessed it! Our British government! But the Palestinians have what? Just a few rockets! Just shows how unfair it is! If our government can spend money on supporting the TERRORIST GROUP CALED ISRAEL, then it can also spend money on policing a peaceful march for the stolen land of Palestine! Leave you bias views at home and don’t believe everything you see on TV! Try researching what really happened in the Middle East, then come back to the forum! Sid
The people in Gaza feel no compassion when their rockets kill Israeli citizens. Instead it fills them with sickening pride. It's always sad when children are killed, but Gazans don't deserve the world's sympathy. They have brought this situation on themselves by supporting Hamas and filling their children with hate.
Perhaps it's time to rerun the footage of Gazans celebrating the deaths of others as a reminder of what Israel is up against. Ah, but that would defeat the world media's agenda to present Gazans as innocent, helpless victims and Israel as the evil aggressor.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:41pm Fri 9 Jan 09
amarsden wrote:The picture accompanying the article is of a family shielding themselves against a Kassam rocket attack in Ashqelon.
was that picture of women and children REALLY taken in Gaza??
That's in southern Israel!
More cutting edge journalism from the LET....
duke bar, burnley says...
4:47pm Fri 9 Jan 09
mick b wrote:Come on YVONNE lets hear what you have to say
sofia wrote: Channel 4 reported yesterday... As a UN aid worker is killed in Gaza, the International Red Cross accuses Israel of breaching humanitarian law. Jonathan Rugman reports. Conditions for the residents of Gaza worsened still further this afternoon when a United Nations aid agency suspended its operations after one of its workers was killed. And in unusually strong terms the International Red Cross today criticised Israel after finding four emaciated children among a group of corpses in a house just metres from an Israeli military position.Let the Palestinians have their culture of victim iconography. People have had enough of aggrieved Moslems demonstrating over offensive books (UK), Danish cartoons, Durch film makers Iraq, Palestine. Here's an idea for Lauren and Yvonne. What about organising a demonstration against the Islamic inspired hanging of homosexuals, the stoning of 'adulterous women', the death penalty for 'apostates' ...no thought not!
Answer Micks questions...
You wont get stoned to death if you do.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:52pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Ovais789 wrote:You're almost as selective in your interpretation as the reformed slapper, Yvonne.
MrReasonable. Israel was a muslim country before the jews took over. You go to Jerusalem and you will be suprised at the number of muslims living in that country Yvonne, I look forward to seeing you on Sunday. If this was the other way around, i'm sure all you idiots would be the first to organise a march!!!! The fact is a muslim country is being attacked, and you guys couldn't give a s***
"...King Antiochus, who had earlier helped and been helped by the Jews, now demanded that Simon 'return' to him areas the Hasmoneans had liberated from the Seleucids, including Jaffa, Acre, and the citadel in Jerusalem.
Simon replied: 'We have not taken foreign land or foreign property, but only the inheritance of our ancestors, unjustly seized for a time by our enemies. And when the opportunity arose we seized it and reclaimed our patrimony'" (1 Maccabees, 15)..."
Masada shall not fall again!
easymonies, Disneyland says...
5:30pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Do you support the Gaza protests in Blackburn and Nelson?
Yes: 67%
No: 33%
LT the poll link on this page needs to be updated. It's currently
50%-50%
Yes: 67%
No: 33%
LT the poll link on this page needs to be updated. It's currently
50%-50%
willybob, padiham says...
5:41pm Fri 9 Jan 09
why blackburn and nelson? i will tell you why. because both these towns are muslim towns thats why.
duke bar, burnley says...
5:42pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Strange how no Muslims can give me answers to my Questions above.
I think by saying nothing they have answered it.Its just what i expected to be honest.
mick b, Accrington says...
5:47pm Fri 9 Jan 09
You almost have to feel sorry for the Palestinians.
With 'friends' like these...
Ageing celebrity Annie Lennox (who's 'Greatest Hit Collection' is due to be released). George Galloway (is another series of Celebrity Big Brother coming up?). Lauren Booth (who's famous for being the sister of Tony Blair's wife).
Then there is the rogues gallery of the usual suspects Hugo Chavez , Muammar Gaddafi, Ken Livingstone.
And now we have Yvonne Ridley, who's somehow managed managed to make Stockholm Syndrome look like an attractive alternative to Islam.
So it's true; we can judge people by the company they keep!
With 'friends' like these...
Ageing celebrity Annie Lennox (who's 'Greatest Hit Collection' is due to be released). George Galloway (is another series of Celebrity Big Brother coming up?). Lauren Booth (who's famous for being the sister of Tony Blair's wife).
Then there is the rogues gallery of the usual suspects Hugo Chavez , Muammar Gaddafi, Ken Livingstone.
And now we have Yvonne Ridley, who's somehow managed managed to make Stockholm Syndrome look like an attractive alternative to Islam.
So it's true; we can judge people by the company they keep!
duke bar, burnley says...
5:59pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Just read that a friends of Israel march in Oslo came under attack from Muslim pro Palestinian demonstrators.They rioted and smashed up shops and threw petrol bombs at the Norwegian Police.Disgusting way to behave over 40 were arrested.
The Article also said there was a Pro Palestinian march last week that past off peacefully.Without any attacks from the Pro Israel groups
So this is what happens when we have 2 marches about this Gaza conflict..... The Pro Palestinians riot and the Pro Israeli group do nothing wrong.
This was the same city that Yasser arrafat was offered a peace deal but walked away from.
Hope the same does not happen in Blackburn tomorrow with the pro Palestinian group.
RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
6:08pm Fri 9 Jan 09
is this the same palestine that voted a terrorist government in??same hamas that fire rockets from schools???no wonder people have had upto back teath with some asians,they just love a protest in OUR country..what the hell as it do with us???you dislike it that much get over to gazza,,no wonder the B.N.P get so much support..its not all 1 way traffic,the iranians and hamas have been targeting the inocent jews for years...well done isreal keep going,at least till hamas have gone
andy1, burnley says...
6:12pm Fri 9 Jan 09
We hear extremist this extremist that from some of the morons who right on these pages because of their religion. Now not so long ago just over the water in Northern Ireland we had what we would now call Extremists who came from the Christian faith Catholics and Protestants both who beleive in the same God. Both sets of communities where led by what I would call men of hate by politicans like the Reverend Ian Paisley (UDF and other groups) a man of the cloth? and Gerry Adams a staunch Republican (Seinn Fein I.R.A and again other splinter groups). The point I am making is would the moronic minority minority be so quick to of condemned these two villans with blood on their hands. If the likes of the internet had been around every time there was an atocity and call these two extremists? I dont know how many innocent people from both sides died during these troubles and that conflict lasted centuries not years. At the end of the day both these two had to sit down and talk the talk. Now both Hamas that does represent a part of Palastinian land democraticaly elected and the State of Israel again democraticaly elected Government do the same has what happened in Northern Ireland and other parts of the world. All those saying the land is Israel do not know their history I suggest they do more reasearch on the subject. the likes of some comments on here are laughable. I can guarantee one thing when Oil goes up some of the morons who want this war to continue will be the first ones whinging. Fact Middle East crisis push up the price of oil = higher petrol prices for all.
RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
6:14pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley wrote:weirdo...i hope the B.N.P are there,wasting taxpayers cash..its nothing to do with us..what about the jews eh???theyve been bullied for years,im glad theyve retaliated so are most of britain...the hamas have been using kids as human sheilds you clown
To Barry and Brian, We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour. I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine. Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured. How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied? Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government. It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children. I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza. You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians. Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay. I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice. Yvonne Ridley London, UK
mick b, Accrington says...
6:21pm Fri 9 Jan 09
RAyzer wrote:Everything you wanted to know about Hamas but were afraid to ask:
Yvonne Ridley wrote: To Barry and Brian, We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour. I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine. Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured. How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied? Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government. It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children. I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza. You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians. Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay. I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice. Yvonne Ridley London, UKweirdo...i hope the B.N.P are there,wasting taxpayers cash..its nothing to do with us..what about the jews eh???theyve been bullied for years,im glad theyve retaliated so are most of britain...the hamas have been using kids as human sheilds you clown
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=eTGbP55HG
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RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
6:22pm Fri 9 Jan 09
matureoak wrote:what a clown...hamas have started this by firing the FIRST rocket!!!aimed at a town with kids in...isreal fired back at the launch site A SCHOOL...human sheild used by HAMAS..idiot..our own top general has stated that hamas are playing dirty games..this march will ruin race relations,muslims and simple students nead to re-think this...A.S.A.P
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAMAS HERE!! We are talking about the mass slaughter and genocide of innocent civilians - mostly whom are women and children. This has NOTHING to do with religion or Hamas or anything else. I am going to Corporation Park to show solidarity to the Palestinian people. All you racist bigots can stay. You are not human.
mick b, Accrington says...
6:23pm Fri 9 Jan 09
mick b wrote:Or go to google and type 'children of hamas you tube'.
RAyzer wrote:Everything you wanted to know about Hamas but were afraid to ask: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=eTGbP55HG i8Yvonne Ridley wrote: To Barry and Brian, We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour. I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine. Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured. How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied? Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government. It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children. I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza. You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians. Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay. I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice. Yvonne Ridley London, UKweirdo...i hope the B.N.P are there,wasting taxpayers cash..its nothing to do with us..what about the jews eh???theyve been bullied for years,im glad theyve retaliated so are most of britain...the hamas have been using kids as human sheilds you clown
mick b, Accrington says...
6:36pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Palestinian children are dying today not because of Israeli brutality, but because their own leaders have chosen to use their children as human shields, and their pain as a battering ram against Western sensibilities.
Such is life (or death) in Hamastan.
It is they, after all, who deliberately put their weapons caches in mosques, their rocket launchers in schoolyards, and their command centers in hospitals -- all with the explicit goal of maximizing the tragedy of an Israeli response.
If snake oil salesmen like Ridley and Salim Mulla have their way, we will one day see similar scenes being played out with demands for Sharia law in Blackburnistan and the Hizburnlah Resistance. Man.
Such is life (or death) in Hamastan.
It is they, after all, who deliberately put their weapons caches in mosques, their rocket launchers in schoolyards, and their command centers in hospitals -- all with the explicit goal of maximizing the tragedy of an Israeli response.
If snake oil salesmen like Ridley and Salim Mulla have their way, we will one day see similar scenes being played out with demands for Sharia law in Blackburnistan and the Hizburnlah Resistance. Man.
sofia, blackburn says...
6:39pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian Martin wrote:Brian Martin, this has nothing to do with my argument! All i reported was the way the Israeli army are treating the children of Gaza. Most of these things go unreported and i just wanted to give people the bigger picture!
To Sofia: Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated civilian areas If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas Problem solved I invite you to find fault with this argument
It was also reported an army vehicle had driven over 5 month old baby!
I think you need to understand the Israelis are not innocent in any of this
mick b, Accrington says...
6:40pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:For decades, the international community has actively assisted in building the terrorists' unique system of control -- over where Palestinians live and in what conditions, and over what they think -- by allowing terrorists to turn the refugee camps into the center of the Palestinian war machine. Instead of working to relieve the refugees' misery, the United Nations has dedicated an entire agency, UNRWA, to perpetuating it. For the rest of the world's refugees, the U.N. works tirelessly to improve their conditions, to relocate them, and to help them rebuild their lives as quickly as possible. With the Palestinians, the U.N. does exactly the opposite, granting refugee status to the great-grandchildren of people displaced in 1948, doing nothing to dismantle the camps, and acting as facilitators for the terrorists' goal of grinding an entire civilian population under their thumb. Nowhere on earth do terrorists get so much help from the Free World.
Brian Martin wrote: To Sofia: Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated civilian areas If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas Problem solved I invite you to find fault with this argumentBrian Martin, this has nothing to do with my argument! All i reported was the way the Israeli army are treating the children of Gaza. Most of these things go unreported and i just wanted to give people the bigger picture! It was also reported an army vehicle had driven over 5 month old baby! I think you need to understand the Israelis are not innocent in any of this
mick b, Accrington says...
6:43pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:Where were you and Yvonne when the Palestinian leaders were actively transforming their children's classrooms into indoctrination centres for martyrdom?
Brian Martin wrote: To Sofia: Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated civilian areas If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas Problem solved I invite you to find fault with this argumentBrian Martin, this has nothing to do with my argument! All i reported was the way the Israeli army are treating the children of Gaza. Most of these things go unreported and i just wanted to give people the bigger picture! It was also reported an army vehicle had driven over 5 month old baby! I think you need to understand the Israelis are not innocent in any of this
Silence...
holsten pils, burnley says...
7:02pm Fri 9 Jan 09
People in this country are sick of the moslems marching , the police have powers to stop this happening , why not in this situation ? answer because it is the moslems , if it were the BNP " a legitimate political party " it would be stopped i agree with others on here the march will serve no purpose at all and will lead to more racism between the indigenous British AND THE MOSLEMS WHO ARE GETTING FAR TO MUCH SAY IN OUR COUNTRY.
Other marches have ended in violence and i will bet there will be some moslem morons that burn our flag " yet again " thus causing a violent reaction, if they want to protest go to an islamic country and do it not ours.
Other marches have ended in violence and i will bet there will be some moslem morons that burn our flag " yet again " thus causing a violent reaction, if they want to protest go to an islamic country and do it not ours.
mick b, Accrington says...
7:26pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley wrote:Hamas won a democratic election.
To Barry and Brian, We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour. I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine. Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured. How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied? Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government. It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children. I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza. You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians. Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay. I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice. Yvonne Ridley London, UK
So did Hitler and Mussolini.
So what's your point - that democratically elected terrorists should be allowed to start wars?
As they have been elected so they are accountable.
I'd like to know at what cost should Hamas continue its 'resistance'?
1000 dead?
2000 dead?
The total destruction of Gaza?
When will they start to behave like a Government and not a 'resistance movement'?
sofia, blackburn says...
7:27pm Fri 9 Jan 09
holsten pils wrote:Im sure the BNP were protesting outside a police station when a list of the bnp members were published!! there was a protest in preston last sunday and there was no violence!!!! how do i know that?? i was there didnt witness ne thing violent!!! it was a peaceful protest!!
People in this country are sick of the moslems marching , the police have powers to stop this happening , why not in this situation ? answer because it is the moslems , if it were the BNP " a legitimate political party " it would be stopped i agree with others on here the march will serve no purpose at all and will lead to more racism between the indigenous British AND THE MOSLEMS WHO ARE GETTING FAR TO MUCH SAY IN OUR COUNTRY. Other marches have ended in violence and i will bet there will be some moslem morons that burn our flag " yet again " thus causing a violent reaction, if they want to protest go to an islamic country and do it not ours.
Sundays protest will also be peaceful!!
sophia_7, blackburn says...
7:35pm Fri 9 Jan 09
wow.i am am actually stunned by the comments people have left.
i am a muslim...yes people abuse our religion..i can undertsand why people have the wrong view but muslims DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT CONDONE TERRORISM OR SUPPORT IT IN ANY FORM.Muslims fight against terrrorism even more than other people becuase it is making thier religion look bad. Also not all terrorists are Muslim. Or have the british people forgotten this. And some people who have commented that we are taking over this country..need to remember that britian invited people form countries like india, pakistan to this country. Britian should have considered the effects before hand..a bit late now.
I will be going on this Protest.....that doesn't make me a terrorist. I just care about the people of palestine ..the children whoh get hurt.And yes isreal has the right to defend itself.
I dnt side with isreal or hamas...i side with the innocent people on BOTH sides that get hurt.
Look at us all moaning about a protest in our town.Those people have to live under the consanat threat of rockest,bullets..and death on a daily basis.
compared to that we are all pretty pathetic merely complainin about a protest.
Britian is a democratic state..in which people have the right to express themselves,through voting,protests etc.
Feel free to reply>>
i am a muslim...yes people abuse our religion..i can undertsand why people have the wrong view but muslims DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT CONDONE TERRORISM OR SUPPORT IT IN ANY FORM.Muslims fight against terrrorism even more than other people becuase it is making thier religion look bad. Also not all terrorists are Muslim. Or have the british people forgotten this. And some people who have commented that we are taking over this country..need to remember that britian invited people form countries like india, pakistan to this country. Britian should have considered the effects before hand..a bit late now.
I will be going on this Protest.....that doesn't make me a terrorist. I just care about the people of palestine ..the children whoh get hurt.And yes isreal has the right to defend itself.
I dnt side with isreal or hamas...i side with the innocent people on BOTH sides that get hurt.
Look at us all moaning about a protest in our town.Those people have to live under the consanat threat of rockest,bullets..and death on a daily basis.
compared to that we are all pretty pathetic merely complainin about a protest.
Britian is a democratic state..in which people have the right to express themselves,through voting,protests etc.
Feel free to reply>>
boycott, stockport says...
7:37pm Fri 9 Jan 09
These so called marches are muslim fronts with a few misguided sandal wearing liberal herbal tea brigaders to try and justify their eventual aim i.e. the removal of Israel from the Middle East map by whatever means.
Both religions are bad as each other in terms of spouting bot air. Both sides have committed appalling attrocities in modern times since 1945. If these marchers feel so strongly go and live over there on a one way ticket back to the dark ages..Please just dont feed me and the majority of ordinary folk all this religous bull.
Both religions are bad as each other in terms of spouting bot air. Both sides have committed appalling attrocities in modern times since 1945. If these marchers feel so strongly go and live over there on a one way ticket back to the dark ages..Please just dont feed me and the majority of ordinary folk all this religous bull.
mick b, Accrington says...
7:45pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sophia_7 wrote:Where were all your Muslim 'brothers and sisters' when China invaded Tibet, Russia annexed Georgia or when Arabs from northern Sudan massacred over 1 MILLION Christian blacks in Darfur?
wow.i am am actually stunned by the comments people have left. i am a muslim...yes people abuse our religion..i can undertsand why people have the wrong view but muslims DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT CONDONE TERRORISM OR SUPPORT IT IN ANY FORM.Muslims fight against terrrorism even more than other people becuase it is making thier religion look bad. Also not all terrorists are Muslim. Or have the british people forgotten this. And some people who have commented that we are taking over this country..need to remember that britian invited people form countries like india, pakistan to this country. Britian should have considered the effects before hand..a bit late now. I will be going on this Protest.....that doesn't make me a terrorist. I just care about the people of palestine ..the children whoh get hurt.And yes isreal has the right to defend itself. I dnt side with isreal or hamas...i side with the innocent people on BOTH sides that get hurt. Look at us all moaning about a protest in our town.Those people have to live under the consanat threat of rockest,bullets..and death on a daily basis. compared to that we are all pretty pathetic merely complainin about a protest. Britian is a democratic state..in which people have the right to express themselves,through voting,protests etc. Feel free to reply>>
I'll tell you where Sofia, they were demonstrating about Danish cartoons and Dutch film makers.
It's a pity Moslems don't care about your fellow man as much as you vent your antipathy toward Jews and non-believers.
Come the Revolution, Gt. Harwood says...
7:46pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Anti-March protesters don't bother posting on this subject. Somebody, either officially or unofficially from the LET is removing your posts.This forum is a bit pointless if it is one sided. I wonder how long ,this post remains on the forum?.
mick b, Accrington says...
8:02pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley wrote:Well Yvonne, if that paragon of balance and intellectual honesty the Guardian said Mr. Ahmedinijad didn't call for the destruction of the State of Israel, I guess it must be true.
To Simon, If Britain held your attitude then you'd probably be speaking German by now - you should read your history and then you would know that the whole notion of the Zionist State was born in Britain in a 20+ word statement by lord Balfour. brian Martin, you clearly have not read my article about propaganda and truth. You clearly did not listen to the UN today condemning the breaking of the three-hour ceasefire by Israel, not by Hamas. These are deemed serious contraventions of the Geneva Conventions and there is a call for the UN to launch an investigation into israel for these crimes. If you are going to do battle with me, arm yourself with knowledge, facts and truth - not propaganda and falsehoods. Karolgadge - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never called for israel's destruction - there was an excellent piece in The Guardian about this falsehood. I am prepared to have a battle of wits with you, but clearly you are not prepared. Slinging insults just exposes your own ignorance in these issues. Come along to the rally and at least become acquainted with the facts and then form your own opinions on the issues. kind regards Yvonne
I would however like to know why:
You are obsessed with Israel/Jewish/Zionis
t conspiracies?
See the Mossad's/Jew's hands behind everything?
Employ different standards for Jews than for Moslems?
Disproportionately condemn Israel? Use historical revisionism and deny Jewish basic rights?
And most of all why defend an arch anti-Semite and Holocaust denier like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
You my dear display all the basic characteristics of the classic anti-Semite?
Save it. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably hates Jews.
You're not fooling anyone. Give up the act.
duke bar, burnley says...
8:13pm Fri 9 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:Still waiting......
Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims . I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts. Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza. Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks. This would never ever happen in a muslim land. It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim. Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war. Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing Is this what the Koran teaches muslims.. I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanks
Any muslims care to comment.........
Stop removing my post also please L.E.T.
I thought we lived in East lancashire not in the East of Saudi Arabia or Iran.Where they have no press freedom.
Akki, Accy says...
8:18pm Fri 9 Jan 09
******* GET ALL THE REAL NEWS AT PRESS TV - SKY CHANNEL 515. *******
duke bar, burnley says...
8:25pm Fri 9 Jan 09
andy1 wrote:Gerry Adams never once called for the total destruction of Protestant people or British people.
We hear extremist this extremist that from some of the morons who right on these pages because of their religion. Now not so long ago just over the water in Northern Ireland we had what we would now call Extremists who came from the Christian faith Catholics and Protestants both who beleive in the same God. Both sets of communities where led by what I would call men of hate by politicans like the Reverend Ian Paisley (UDF and other groups) a man of the cloth? and Gerry Adams a staunch Republican (Seinn Fein I.R.A and again other splinter groups). The point I am making is would the moronic minority minority be so quick to of condemned these two villans with blood on their hands. If the likes of the internet had been around every time there was an atocity and call these two extremists? I dont know how many innocent people from both sides died during these troubles and that conflict lasted centuries not years. At the end of the day both these two had to sit down and talk the talk. Now both Hamas that does represent a part of Palastinian land democraticaly elected and the State of Israel again democraticaly elected Government do the same has what happened in Northern Ireland and other parts of the world. All those saying the land is Israel do not know their history I suggest they do more reasearch on the subject. the likes of some comments on here are laughable. I can guarantee one thing when Oil goes up some of the morons who want this war to continue will be the first ones whinging. Fact Middle East crisis push up the price of oil = higher petrol prices for all.
Hamas has said it wants the total destruction of Israel and the jews.
Go and read some Irish History Andy stop making a fool of yourself comparing the two conflicts.
mick b, Accrington says...
8:30pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley wrote:"...Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement ...It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children "
To Barry and Brian, We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour. I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine. Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured. How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied? Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government. It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children. I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza. You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians. Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay. I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice. Yvonne Ridley London, UK
'Fair play' to you Yvonne...
"...Nizar Rayan, 49, who ranked among Hamas' top five decision makers, was killed yesterday when a one-ton bomb razed his home in the northern town of Jebaliya.
Rayan, an influential preacher, had previously denied Israel's existence and was a known mentor of suicide bombers.
He even sent one of his sons on an October 2001 suicide mission that killed two Israeli settlers in Gaza.
He was respected in Gaza for donning combat fatigues and personally participating in clashes against Israeli forces.
He was one of the organisers behind the Battle of Gaza in 2007, in which 400 Palestinian Fatah party members were killed and dozens more tortured and maimed
Rayan was fundamentally against the state of Israel and had declared: 'There is nothing called Israel, neither in reality nor in the imagination.'
He was preaching in a local mosque on the day before he was killed and said: 'Our only language with the Jew is through the gun.'
matureoak, blackburn says...
8:41pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Take a look at the shrinking map of palastine then you'll see why there is so much unrest (google it). The palastines are slowly being wiped off the face of the planet by Israel and the UN seem powerless to stop them. Ask yourself why Israel commands so much power over the US and it seems the rest of the world. Israel has kiiled more of it's people in the last 2 weeks than any Hamas rocket and yet there are over 700 Palastinians dead, now I ask you, who is the terrorist?
matureoak, blackburn says...
8:44pm Fri 9 Jan 09
TO ALL YOU NUMPTIES OUT THERE THAT SUPPORTS THE KILLING IN GAZA AND BLINDLY BLAME HAMAS, LET ME PUT IT TO YOU IN SIMPLER LANGUAGE:
I am a british citizen living in England and politely objecting to Hamas' tactics. But I wonder what would I do if another people settled in britain and claimed it as their ancestral home. Myself and the other natives are left with Wales and Yorkshire, both of which are blockaded and deprived water and medicine.
I would like to think that I would fight back. And I wouldn't be a terrorist, I would be a freedom fighter. There is a difference.
I am a british citizen living in England and politely objecting to Hamas' tactics. But I wonder what would I do if another people settled in britain and claimed it as their ancestral home. Myself and the other natives are left with Wales and Yorkshire, both of which are blockaded and deprived water and medicine.
I would like to think that I would fight back. And I wouldn't be a terrorist, I would be a freedom fighter. There is a difference.
sofia, blackburn says...
8:44pm Fri 9 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:Duke Bar i have found u a website! dont know why i shouldnt give a sh!t what u think!!
duke bar wrote: Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims . I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts. Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza. Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks. This would never ever happen in a muslim land. It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim. Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war. Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing Is this what the Koran teaches muslims.. I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanksStill waiting...... Any muslims care to comment......... Stop removing my post also please L.E.T. I thought we lived in East lancashire not in the East of Saudi Arabia or Iran.Where they have no press freedom.
sofia, blackburn says...
8:52pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:http://www.america.g
duke bar wrote:Duke Bar i have found u a website! dont know why i shouldnt give a sh!t what u think!!duke bar wrote: Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims . I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts. Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza. Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks. This would never ever happen in a muslim land. It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim. Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war. Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing Is this what the Koran teaches muslims.. I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanksStill waiting...... Any muslims care to comment......... Stop removing my post also please L.E.T. I thought we lived in East lancashire not in the East of Saudi Arabia or Iran.Where they have no press freedom.
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matureoak, blackburn says...
9:02pm Fri 9 Jan 09
ISRAEL targets civilians - more than two thirds of the dead are women and children. So why allow Tzipi Livni to say: “Gaza Strip being controlled by Hamas, and the price is being paid by Israeli children and Palestinian children, but the blame is and the address is Hamas.” This is a clear lie. What Israeli children have been killed? The only dead children are in Gaza.
HAMAS is a political organisation which has a military wing and not the other way around. It was democratically elected by the people who were sick of the previous corrupt politicians who let them down.
ISRAEL broke the ceasefire on November 4 2008 - a fact finally acknowledged on CNN nearly two months later in a discussion show although the BBC, Fox and other western media have yet to mention this.
HAMAS does not use civilians as human shields - again, where is the evidence? Israel needs to put up or shut up, but the media never demands to see the evidence.
ISRAEL says it cares about civilians and warns them in advance of the bombing raids in their area - well so did the IRA but I don’t remember anyone congratulating them on their humanitarian actions.
HAMAS is a political organisation which has a military wing and not the other way around. It was democratically elected by the people who were sick of the previous corrupt politicians who let them down.
ISRAEL broke the ceasefire on November 4 2008 - a fact finally acknowledged on CNN nearly two months later in a discussion show although the BBC, Fox and other western media have yet to mention this.
HAMAS does not use civilians as human shields - again, where is the evidence? Israel needs to put up or shut up, but the media never demands to see the evidence.
ISRAEL says it cares about civilians and warns them in advance of the bombing raids in their area - well so did the IRA but I don’t remember anyone congratulating them on their humanitarian actions.
suttydog, accrington says...
9:14pm Fri 9 Jan 09
you can have 50k people at this protest it will not make 1 ounce of difference but if it makes you feel better
its simple hamas stop rockets israel stops fighting not rocket science no pun intended
its simple hamas stop rockets israel stops fighting not rocket science no pun intended
mick b, Accrington says...
9:21pm Fri 9 Jan 09
matureoak wrote:Your assertions might carry a bit more credibility if you learnt to spell the name 'Palestine' correctly at least!
Take a look at the shrinking map of palastine then you'll see why there is so much unrest (google it). The palastines are slowly being wiped off the face of the planet by Israel and the UN seem powerless to stop them. Ask yourself why Israel commands so much power over the US and it seems the rest of the world. Israel has kiiled more of it's people in the last 2 weeks than any Hamas rocket and yet there are over 700 Palastinians dead, now I ask you, who is the terrorist?
What is Hamas?
Hamas or ‘The Islamic Resistance Movement’ is linked with the Muslim Brotherhood, a world jihadi group ideologically connected to Osama Bin Laden.
It's main sponsor and patron however is the terrorist sponsoring state of Iran.
Hamas has fired over 10,000 rockets and mortars against civilian targets in Israel over the past 8 years.
Sporadic firing of rockets against Israel continued during a recent temporary “cessation of hostilities”.
That lull was used by Hamas to build up forces and weaponry in preparation for the present continued attacks on Israel.
On December 19 2008 Hamas refused to extend even that partial cease-fire and began intensive rocketing Israeli kibbutzim, towns and cities on the average of 40-50 attacks a day.
On Saturday December 27 Israel Air Force jets attacked Hamas forces in Gaza, finally responding to years of Hamas rocket attacks. On January 3 2009 a land invasion of Gaza was initiated.
Many informed observers believe that just like the Hizbullah operation in July 2006, Iran triggered the latest conflagration in order to divert the world's attention as it reached yet another critical point in its development of nuclear weapons.
On Sunday this the terror group for whom the majority of marchers will demonstrating.
andy1, burnley says...
9:25pm Fri 9 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:You try learning your history Im not the fool believe me. You have made clear anti muslim statements on these pages on many occasions. I am trying to join in the debate here neither am I Muslim,Jew or Christian but Pagan. Organised religions are the major causes of wars.
andy1 wrote:Gerry Adams never once called for the total destruction of Protestant people or British people.
We hear extremist this extremist that from some of the morons who right on these pages because of their religion. Now not so long ago just over the water in Northern Ireland we had what we would now call Extremists who came from the Christian faith Catholics and Protestants both who beleive in the same God. Both sets of communities where led by what I would call men of hate by politicans like the Reverend Ian Paisley (UDF and other groups) a man of the cloth? and Gerry Adams a staunch Republican (Seinn Fein I.R.A and again other splinter groups). The point I am making is would the moronic minority minority be so quick to of condemned these two villans with blood on their hands. If the likes of the internet had been around every time there was an atocity and call these two extremists? I dont know how many innocent people from both sides died during these troubles and that conflict lasted centuries not years. At the end of the day both these two had to sit down and talk the talk. Now both Hamas that does represent a part of Palastinian land democraticaly elected and the State of Israel again democraticaly elected Government do the same has what happened in Northern Ireland and other parts of the world. All those saying the land is Israel do not know their history I suggest they do more reasearch on the subject. the likes of some comments on here are laughable. I can guarantee one thing when Oil goes up some of the morons who want this war to continue will be the first ones whinging. Fact Middle East crisis push up the price of oil = higher petrol prices for all.
Hamas has said it wants the total destruction of Israel and the jews.
Go and read some Irish History Andy stop making a fool of yourself comparing the two conflicts.
mick b, Accrington says...
9:27pm Fri 9 Jan 09
matureoak wrote:We dare to disagree with you so resort to insulting us?
TO ALL YOU NUMPTIES OUT THERE THAT SUPPORTS THE KILLING IN GAZA AND BLINDLY BLAME HAMAS, LET ME PUT IT TO YOU IN SIMPLER LANGUAGE: I am a british citizen living in England and politely objecting to Hamas' tactics. But I wonder what would I do if another people settled in britain and claimed it as their ancestral home. Myself and the other natives are left with Wales and Yorkshire, both of which are blockaded and deprived water and medicine. I would like to think that I would fight back. And I wouldn't be a terrorist, I would be a freedom fighter. There is a difference.
The spirit which motivates Hamas is similar in nature to the one which controlled Adolf Hitler.
As with Hitler, negotiations were only an obfuscating delaying tactic which led to further evil empowerment and conquest.
Hamas is at least clearer and more transparent than Hitler about its goals and strategies – Jihad is the means, and the destruction of Israel is the goal.
Today however, the world’s moral vision is perilously close to being blinder than it was in Hitler’s day (Luke 6:39; John 9:39).
Reconciliation was not possible with Hitler, though a few misguided or deceived believers thought so at the time.
In our day, any call for true reconciliation between Arab and Jew can only be realistically actualized after the power of jihadi Islam is broken in Arab hearts and lives.
This is not the only step, of course, but it is a sine qua non.
Let's pray for the defeat of Hamas, its leadership and its Islamist ideological hold over many Gazans and British Moslems.
mick b, Accrington says...
9:35pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:As we pray for the defeat of Hamas, it is important to remember how Hamas understands the nature of that conflict.
duke bar wrote:Duke Bar i have found u a website! dont know why i shouldnt give a sh!t what u think!!duke bar wrote: Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims . I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts. Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza. Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks. This would never ever happen in a muslim land. It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim. Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war. Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing Is this what the Koran teaches muslims.. I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanksStill waiting...... Any muslims care to comment......... Stop removing my post also please L.E.T. I thought we lived in East lancashire not in the East of Saudi Arabia or Iran.Where they have no press freedom.
Here are some representative quotes from the Hamas Charter which throw some light on the spiritual nature of the conflict.
1. “Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief” (Article #8 - ed. this is also the slogan of the Muslim Brotherhood).
2. “(Peace) initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement … Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam … There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. (Article #13).
Many Palestinians and Israelis, as well as some Arab states, have stated that they would accept a 2-state solution based on pre-1967 lines.
According to a 2002 poll conducted by PIPA, 72% of both Palestinians and Israelis supported at that time a peace settlement based on the 1967 borders so long as each group could be reassured that the other side would be cooperative in making the necessary concessions for such a settlement.
Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran, however, continue to call for the "liberation" of all of "historic" Palestine from the "Zionist Entity.
Enjoy your demonstration.
judge dredd, Planet earth says...
9:50pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Hamas the government of palestine activly support the murder of jewish people be it by crude rockets or suicide bombers and expect sympathy?It is high time numptys like yvonne and other misguided muslim appeasing douches woke up and smelt the coffee .Islam and its misguided followers do not understand peace and negotioation only the will of allah and the wicked intolerant faith islam .Why werent the islamic community marching when 9/11 and 7/7 happened?.They are muslims and care only about muslims thats why they can never integrate into non muslim society ,If you are a non muslim think VERY CAREFULLY about going on this march they are using you for there own ends and care nothing for anything unislamic.ISLAM=DEAT
H DESTRUCTION AND MISERY.
H DESTRUCTION AND MISERY.
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
9:54pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I urge all people to accept Yvonnes invite to attend her peace rally to attend if you like me sympathise with Gods people attend and wave the star of David high and proud. attend and join this peace rally. I will be there!!
mick b, Accrington says...
9:58pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Akki wrote:Akki heres the real news.
******* GET ALL THE REAL NEWS AT PRESS TV - SKY CHANNEL 515. *******
On Thursday Hamas fired 30 rockets at civilian targets, striking Ashkelon, Beersheva, Sderot and surrounding kibbutzim and farms. One Grad Katyusha rocket struck the gymnasium of an elementary school in Ashkelon. Since all Israeli schools within rocket range are temporarily closed, no one was injured.
An unknown group fired 4 Katyushas from southern Lebanon (near Naqoura) into the Israeli city of Nahariya, striking a retirement home’s kitchen while 25 pensioners sat eating breakfast. Three people were lightly wounded, though many suffered shock.
Israel has neither claim nor possession on any part of Lebanese territory.
In July 2006 however Hezbullah launched an ambush on Israeli troops inside Israel, kidnapping Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser, triggering the 2006 Lebanese War.
18 months later the bodies of both soldiers were returned in exchange for live Palestinian and Hezbullah prisoners. One of these was Samir Kuntar a Lebanese national who was convicted of kidnapping and murdering an Israeli family during a terrorist attack in the coastal town of Nahariya.
During the attack Kuntar literally smashed the head of a baby against rocks with his rifle butt in order to stop the child from crying and thus drawing attention to himself.
Kuntar never expressed remorse.
On his release he received a hero's welcome in Lebanon by the Prime Minister and Hezbollah. A National holiday was declared.
mick b, Accrington says...
10:08pm Fri 9 Jan 09
That Samir Kuntar story is hard to believe isn't it?
Well even Yvonne Ridley's second favourite newspaper (after Al Quds) - the Guardian couldn't avoid reporting it (through gritted teeth).
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/world/2008/jul
/16/lebanon
Well even Yvonne Ridley's second favourite newspaper (after Al Quds) - the Guardian couldn't avoid reporting it (through gritted teeth).
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/world/2008/jul
/16/lebanon
hoodle, humberside says...
10:35pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I don't know if the jews should be in the middle east anymore than islam should be in the west..........discus
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amir, Blackburn says...
11:25pm Fri 9 Jan 09
people have the right to protest if they wish to do so.....
duke bar, burnley says...
11:34pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:You found the web site for America.gov.Then it said the page your looking for has moved.
sofia wrote:http://www.america.g ov/st/washfile-engli sh/2005/July/2005072 1173921xbtterrets0.2 144586.htmlduke bar wrote:Duke Bar i have found u a website! dont know why i shouldnt give a sh!t what u think!!duke bar wrote: Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims . I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts. Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza. Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks. This would never ever happen in a muslim land. It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim. Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war. Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing Is this what the Koran teaches muslims.. I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanksStill waiting...... Any muslims care to comment......... Stop removing my post also please L.E.T. I thought we lived in East lancashire not in the East of Saudi Arabia or Iran.Where they have no press freedom.
So Sofia your full of crap you found nothing for me.
Try again Sofia as just like Hamas your failing.Can not belivei wasted my time looking at what she gave me.
I was right there are no links because muslims never condem muslim terrorists.
duke bar, burnley says...
11:51pm Fri 9 Jan 09
andy1 wrote:Andy i could not give a toss if you were Mrs smiths black and white cat.
duke bar wrote:You try learning your history Im not the fool believe me. You have made clear anti muslim statements on these pages on many occasions. I am trying to join in the debate here neither am I Muslim,Jew or Christian but Pagan. Organised religions are the major causes of wars.andy1 wrote: We hear extremist this extremist that from some of the morons who right on these pages because of their religion. Now not so long ago just over the water in Northern Ireland we had what we would now call Extremists who came from the Christian faith Catholics and Protestants both who beleive in the same God. Both sets of communities where led by what I would call men of hate by politicans like the Reverend Ian Paisley (UDF and other groups) a man of the cloth? and Gerry Adams a staunch Republican (Seinn Fein I.R.A and again other splinter groups). The point I am making is would the moronic minority minority be so quick to of condemned these two villans with blood on their hands. If the likes of the internet had been around every time there was an atocity and call these two extremists? I dont know how many innocent people from both sides died during these troubles and that conflict lasted centuries not years. At the end of the day both these two had to sit down and talk the talk. Now both Hamas that does represent a part of Palastinian land democraticaly elected and the State of Israel again democraticaly elected Government do the same has what happened in Northern Ireland and other parts of the world. All those saying the land is Israel do not know their history I suggest they do more reasearch on the subject. the likes of some comments on here are laughable. I can guarantee one thing when Oil goes up some of the morons who want this war to continue will be the first ones whinging. Fact Middle East crisis push up the price of oil = higher petrol prices for all.Gerry Adams never once called for the total destruction of Protestant people or British people. Hamas has said it wants the total destruction of Israel and the jews. Go and read some Irish History Andy stop making a fool of yourself comparing the two conflicts.
What you said about the problem in Ireland and the Problem in the Middle East is very wrong.
One group wanted a united Ireland living side by side with the Protestants in this united Ireland.
Hamas wants the state of Israel and all jews wiped off the face of the earth.
Can you see how wrong you are.Councilor Andrew.
I have made clear anti Muslim terrorists statements on these pages on many occasions.Thats correct andy.Its because they put bombs in the Capital of England and killed lots of English people.This is why andy.
I have also said not all muslims are terrorists .Theres alot of good Muslims about in this world .I would just like to see them condem terrorists a lot more
duke bar, burnley says...
11:51pm Fri 9 Jan 09
andy1 wrote:Andy i could not give a toss if you were Mrs smiths black and white cat.
duke bar wrote:You try learning your history Im not the fool believe me. You have made clear anti muslim statements on these pages on many occasions. I am trying to join in the debate here neither am I Muslim,Jew or Christian but Pagan. Organised religions are the major causes of wars.andy1 wrote: We hear extremist this extremist that from some of the morons who right on these pages because of their religion. Now not so long ago just over the water in Northern Ireland we had what we would now call Extremists who came from the Christian faith Catholics and Protestants both who beleive in the same God. Both sets of communities where led by what I would call men of hate by politicans like the Reverend Ian Paisley (UDF and other groups) a man of the cloth? and Gerry Adams a staunch Republican (Seinn Fein I.R.A and again other splinter groups). The point I am making is would the moronic minority minority be so quick to of condemned these two villans with blood on their hands. If the likes of the internet had been around every time there was an atocity and call these two extremists? I dont know how many innocent people from both sides died during these troubles and that conflict lasted centuries not years. At the end of the day both these two had to sit down and talk the talk. Now both Hamas that does represent a part of Palastinian land democraticaly elected and the State of Israel again democraticaly elected Government do the same has what happened in Northern Ireland and other parts of the world. All those saying the land is Israel do not know their history I suggest they do more reasearch on the subject. the likes of some comments on here are laughable. I can guarantee one thing when Oil goes up some of the morons who want this war to continue will be the first ones whinging. Fact Middle East crisis push up the price of oil = higher petrol prices for all.Gerry Adams never once called for the total destruction of Protestant people or British people. Hamas has said it wants the total destruction of Israel and the jews. Go and read some Irish History Andy stop making a fool of yourself comparing the two conflicts.
What you said about the problem in Ireland and the Problem in the Middle East is very wrong.
One group wanted a united Ireland living side by side with the Protestants in this united Ireland.
Hamas wants the state of Israel and all jews wiped off the face of the earth.
Can you see how wrong you are.Councilor Andrew.
I have made clear anti Muslim terrorists statements on these pages on many occasions.Thats correct andy.Its because they put bombs in the Capital of England and killed lots of English people.This is why andy.
I have also said not all muslims are terrorists .Theres alot of good Muslims about in this world .I would just like to see them condem terrorists a lot more
steve b, blackburn says...
12:07am Sat 10 Jan 09
It would be hard for a muslim to condem muslim terrorists just like you are finding it hard to condem Irish terrorists, funny how you label all them by their religion yet your Irish folk by the nationality. I have many muslim friends and they pay taxes so have as much right for police security etc for the march on Sunday, it saddens me that there are many christians whose human rights are being abused in Israel but I have never heard our local church mention a protest etc. I think it scares us that muslims are unified just by belief, its their leaders that let them down and we as British christians have a lot we should learn from their ways.
duke bar, burnley says...
12:45am Sat 10 Jan 09
steve b wrote:Am i finding it hard to condem Irish Terrorists Steve!
It would be hard for a muslim to condem muslim terrorists just like you are finding it hard to condem Irish terrorists, funny how you label all them by their religion yet your Irish folk by the nationality. I have many muslim friends and they pay taxes so have as much right for police security etc for the march on Sunday, it saddens me that there are many christians whose human rights are being abused in Israel but I have never heard our local church mention a protest etc. I think it scares us that muslims are unified just by belief, its their leaders that let them down and we as British christians have a lot we should learn from their ways.
This is news to me.
You also said your Irish folk!What is this ment to mean!Do you think i am Terry Wogan or something. You going a bit senile Steve
All terrorists should be condemend.
Where ever they come from
.
duke bar, burnley says...
12:45am Sat 10 Jan 09
steve b wrote:Am i finding it hard to condem Irish Terrorists Steve!
It would be hard for a muslim to condem muslim terrorists just like you are finding it hard to condem Irish terrorists, funny how you label all them by their religion yet your Irish folk by the nationality. I have many muslim friends and they pay taxes so have as much right for police security etc for the march on Sunday, it saddens me that there are many christians whose human rights are being abused in Israel but I have never heard our local church mention a protest etc. I think it scares us that muslims are unified just by belief, its their leaders that let them down and we as British christians have a lot we should learn from their ways.
This is news to me.
You also said your Irish folk!What is this ment to mean!Do you think i am Terry Wogan or something. You going a bit senile Steve
All terrorists should be condemend.
Where ever they come from
.
huzayfapatel, says...
3:21am Sat 10 Jan 09
What is it with narrow minded people?
I shall be demonstrating at this peace rally, but that does not mean I condone Hamas.
Like me, most Marchers will be calling for peace, for an end to Israels brutality and calling for the international community to do more.
This whole problem started because of the Occupation and because Western Super Powers decided to boycott and isolate Hamas.
A decent intelligent person will tell you. Hamas is inbedded within Palestinians. And if there is to be Peace, then the UK, the USA, the EU and others have to start engaging with them.
Bring all parties to the table and there will be peace.
End occupation, stop settlements and allow refugees to return and there will be peace.
If there was no occupation, there would be no resistance.
Thats not hard to understand.
If a foreign army came into Britain then threw me out of Blackburn and then pushed me away into the far corner of Scotland, where there was limited water/electricty/foo
d.
I would fight fight and fight so I could return to my homeland/town.
I bet its killing you inside knowing people are going to March and demonstrate and you cant do anything about it. What a shame.
I shall be demonstrating at this peace rally, but that does not mean I condone Hamas.
Like me, most Marchers will be calling for peace, for an end to Israels brutality and calling for the international community to do more.
This whole problem started because of the Occupation and because Western Super Powers decided to boycott and isolate Hamas.
A decent intelligent person will tell you. Hamas is inbedded within Palestinians. And if there is to be Peace, then the UK, the USA, the EU and others have to start engaging with them.
Bring all parties to the table and there will be peace.
End occupation, stop settlements and allow refugees to return and there will be peace.
If there was no occupation, there would be no resistance.
Thats not hard to understand.
If a foreign army came into Britain then threw me out of Blackburn and then pushed me away into the far corner of Scotland, where there was limited water/electricty/foo
d.
I would fight fight and fight so I could return to my homeland/town.
I bet its killing you inside knowing people are going to March and demonstrate and you cant do anything about it. What a shame.
easymonies, Disneyland says...
3:35am Sat 10 Jan 09
Despite all the argument/discussion here I believe the march will go ahead because of pressure. Fair enough.
But I hope the police do their job properly and arrest anyone burning flags shouting racist taunts and shouting death to..... whoever.
That is not a peacful march and suspect that a lot of the negativity towards the march is because people know what may be expected therefore it may not be peaceful.
But I hope the police do their job properly and arrest anyone burning flags shouting racist taunts and shouting death to..... whoever.
That is not a peacful march and suspect that a lot of the negativity towards the march is because people know what may be expected therefore it may not be peaceful.
Lanc's Lad, says...
5:59am Sat 10 Jan 09
Please don't listen to most of the crap that has been posted and go to this protest and stand up for the innocent people of palestine that are getting maimed and killed in their own land, these people only post on website's and would never come to these protest to spout their drivel as they know they are full of crap.
I am actually setting off to protest in London and then will be back to protest in Blackburn tomorrow. Hope my brother's and sister's of Blackburn find the same strength and attend the Blackburn protest.
I am actually setting off to protest in London and then will be back to protest in Blackburn tomorrow. Hope my brother's and sister's of Blackburn find the same strength and attend the Blackburn protest.
Lanc's Lad, says...
5:59am Sat 10 Jan 09
Please don't listen to most of the crap that has been posted and go to this protest and stand up for the innocent people of palestine that are getting maimed and killed in their own land, these people only post on website's and would never come to these protest to spout their drivel as they know they are full of crap.
I am actually setting off to protest in London and then will be back to protest in Blackburn tomorrow. Hope my brother's and sister's of Blackburn find the same strength and attend the Blackburn protest.
I am actually setting off to protest in London and then will be back to protest in Blackburn tomorrow. Hope my brother's and sister's of Blackburn find the same strength and attend the Blackburn protest.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
8:50am Sat 10 Jan 09
huzayfapatel wrote:So Moslems should be able to go and live wherever they want and have their own States (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh...).
What is it with narrow minded people? I shall be demonstrating at this peace rally, but that does not mean I condone Hamas. Like me, most Marchers will be calling for peace, for an end to Israels brutality and calling for the international community to do more. This whole problem started because of the Occupation and because Western Super Powers decided to boycott and isolate Hamas. A decent intelligent person will tell you. Hamas is inbedded within Palestinians. And if there is to be Peace, then the UK, the USA, the EU and others have to start engaging with them. Bring all parties to the table and there will be peace. End occupation, stop settlements and allow refugees to return and there will be peace. If there was no occupation, there would be no resistance. Thats not hard to understand. If a foreign army came into Britain then threw me out of Blackburn and then pushed me away into the far corner of Scotland, where there was limited water/electricty/foo d. I would fight fight and fight so I could return to my homeland/town. I bet its killing you inside knowing people are going to March and demonstrate and you cant do anything about it. What a shame.
Jews on the other hand are not entitled to their 1 and only tiny state.
Why can't you Moslems get over yourselves?
Allowing all the Palestinian 'refugees' to return to their former homes would bring about the demographic destruction of the State of Israel. It's not going to happen.
There are scores of Arab and Moslem states in the world. If they care so much about their Moslem brothers, why don't they help them?
What you call the Occupation, is the state of Israel.
Israel is subject to a unique double standard of judgment and criticism for its actions in defending its very existence.
If the Jewish state were judged by the same standard as every other nation, Israel would be at or near the top of the list in terms of civil liberties, human rights, and every other test of morality and justice.
This selective treatment of Israel is the new anti-Semitism.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
9:59am Sat 10 Jan 09
steve b wrote:Christians' human rights abused in Israel?
It would be hard for a muslim to condem muslim terrorists just like you are finding it hard to condem Irish terrorists, funny how you label all them by their religion yet your Irish folk by the nationality. I have many muslim friends and they pay taxes so have as much right for police security etc for the march on Sunday, it saddens me that there are many christians whose human rights are being abused in Israel but I have never heard our local church mention a protest etc. I think it scares us that muslims are unified just by belief, its their leaders that let them down and we as British christians have a lot we should learn from their ways.
No Stve B. You're naive.
Since Hamas took over Gaza, it has first of all been exlusivelt cleared of Jews, now they have turned their attentin to the Christians.
Since the Palestinians gained control of much of the West Bank the Christians have been leaving in droves - facing persecution from the same totalitatian Islamist ideology embraced by Hamas and Hezbullah.
Lebanon has lost half its Christians by the way since the rise of Hezbullah.
In Israel at least - unlike Saudi Arabia and Pakistan - there is freedom of worship.
Akki, Accy says...
10:26am Sat 10 Jan 09
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JOHN KENYON, PADIHAM says...
10:57am Sat 10 Jan 09
IM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WELFARE OF MY DOG THAN TERRORISTS AND THE SUPPORTERS OF TEERORISM.GOOD LOOK ISRAEL DONT STOP UNTILL YOUVE DESTROYED HAMAS IN THE GAZA STRIP.
JOHN KENYON, PADIHAM says...
11:01am Sat 10 Jan 09
SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING MISTAKE TRYING TO BE TO QUCK FOR MY OWN GOOD MEANT TO SAY TERRORISM.
RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
11:04am Sat 10 Jan 09
after all this and everything people think,the police must be mad to let this march go ahead..its a powder keg..we know that the asians will not do anything peacefully as seen on the news in london..burnley are at home to swansea too the police are over streched as it is..call it off now,save time/money,its not our problem,its been going on for years,it wont end..if all these do gooders are concerened GO TO GAZZA NOW...!!!!you know you wont,your just anti-government,and pro-protesters
imymusa@hotmail.com, blackburn says...
11:16am Sat 10 Jan 09
Looking at the comments, people are so ignorant. This country started the mess 60 years ago and supplies Israel with arms every year. Israel has locked in gaza and starving them.Hamas has a right to defend with rocks and home made rockets because Israel is driving them to extinction.Whilst Israelis use UK and US supplies of f16s, tanks, and huge bombs.Its clear, Israel wants Gaza and expel palestinians, If you read your history instead of watching Sky, and The Sun for news, Your views would change because this country has everything to do with whats happening there,in Iraq which they bombed for fun and didnt find anything. This country is simply using media propaganda to justify its cause. Wake Up.
watermelon, blackburn says...
11:27am Sat 10 Jan 09
I see all the negative comments come from burnley ends..(cough) no disrespect to a portion of u who understand.The idea is not just to stop the war, but to make people aware of the reality and stop the media propaganda. Thats the idea..
steve b, blackburn says...
11:32am Sat 10 Jan 09
Message for john Kenyon padiham, you are right, look after your mum first!! Come on its a joke!
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
11:32am Sat 10 Jan 09
imymusa@hotmail.com wrote:"...Whilst Israelis use UK and US supplies of f16s, tanks, and huge bombs..."
Looking at the comments, people are so ignorant. This country started the mess 60 years ago and supplies Israel with arms every year. Israel has locked in gaza and starving them.Hamas has a right to defend with rocks and home made rockets because Israel is driving them to extinction.Whilst Israelis use UK and US supplies of f16s, tanks, and huge bombs.Its clear, Israel wants Gaza and expel palestinians, If you read your history instead of watching Sky, and The Sun for news, Your views would change because this country has everything to do with whats happening there,in Iraq which they bombed for fun and didnt find anything. This country is simply using media propaganda to justify its cause. Wake Up.
What do you suggest Imy, that Israel start firing katyusha rockets in to Gaza in the name of 'fair play'?
Maybe they should start sending suicide bombers in to cafes and schools just to even things up.
You're logic would have British troops fighting with Kalashnikovs in Afganistan, minus air power or satellite support. Actually I think you would. That way the Taleban would have more chance of winning, which I'm sure would make you and most of your fellow Moslems happy.
Whilst I address the numerous accusations made against Israel on this board, and respond with facts and context, people such as yourself who can see no right on the side of Israel and no wrong on the side of those who would seek to destroy the Jewish state respond with hyberbole and emotion.
You are either ignorant of the Middle East or malevolent in your intentions.
JOHN KENYON, PADIHAM says...
11:36am Sat 10 Jan 09
imymusa@hotmail.com wrote:WE DONT USE KIDS OR WOMEN AS HUMAN SHIELDS.WE DONT FIRE FROM SCHOOLS FULL OF KIDS AND MOAN WHEN FIRE IS RETURNED.WE DONT FIRE ROCKETS ON TOWNS AND VILLAGES HOPING TO KILL ANYBODY.MY VIEWS WILL NEVER CHANGE WHATEVER PROPAGANDA YOU TRY. SHALLOM.
Looking at the comments, people are so ignorant. This country started the mess 60 years ago and supplies Israel with arms every year. Israel has locked in gaza and starving them.Hamas has a right to defend with rocks and home made rockets because Israel is driving them to extinction.Whilst Israelis use UK and US supplies of f16s, tanks, and huge bombs.Its clear, Israel wants Gaza and expel palestinians, If you read your history instead of watching Sky, and The Sun for news, Your views would change because this country has everything to do with whats happening there,in Iraq which they bombed for fun and didnt find anything. This country is simply using media propaganda to justify its cause. Wake Up.
watermelon, blackburn says...
11:38am Sat 10 Jan 09
reply to Cast Lead Gaza.. So kicking out the palestinians 60 years ago by ethnic cleansing them and removing them because the zionist jews didnt have a place to go after the holocaust after they were removed from germany is justifiable.. you dont have clue what your talkin about. If you remeber, Israel was told to take only a quarter of the land, and they became greedy and took 75%. Today they want the westbank and gaza hence their campaign of terror. Read the facts first before you make baseless comments.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
11:49am Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:Another example of the double-standard I mention.
reply to Cast Lead Gaza.. So kicking out the palestinians 60 years ago by ethnic cleansing them and removing them because the zionist jews didnt have a place to go after the holocaust after they were removed from germany is justifiable.. you dont have clue what your talkin about. If you remeber, Israel was told to take only a quarter of the land, and they became greedy and took 75%. Today they want the westbank and gaza hence their campaign of terror. Read the facts first before you make baseless comments.
The Tibetans, the Kurds, the Basques, and dozens of other stateless peoples have much stronger claims to statehood than do the Palestinians.
The Tibetans and Kurds have been treated far more brutally by their occupiers than have the Palestinians.
The Tibetans have never resorted to terrorism. The UN has never condemned China or recognized the rights of Tibetans, Kurds, Basques, or the others.
Only the Palestinians have resorted to terrorism as a primary method for seeking independence.
Only the Palestinians have been offered a state (three times) and only the Palestinians have rejected a state (three times).
As Abba Evan said about them, 'they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity'.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
11:51am Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:Also Israel accepted UN Partition in 1947. The Arabs rejected it and attacked Israel.
reply to Cast Lead Gaza.. So kicking out the palestinians 60 years ago by ethnic cleansing them and removing them because the zionist jews didnt have a place to go after the holocaust after they were removed from germany is justifiable.. you dont have clue what your talkin about. If you remeber, Israel was told to take only a quarter of the land, and they became greedy and took 75%. Today they want the westbank and gaza hence their campaign of terror. Read the facts first before you make baseless comments.
The Arabs lost.
Get over it.
By a yarmulke. Grow a beard. You'll feel much better for it.
watermelon, blackburn says...
11:55am Sat 10 Jan 09
reply to john kenyon, Israel broke the truce by making regular incursions in to gaza during the truce. killed 30 palestinians. Hamas held on upto 3 weeks ago. they didnt fire rockets for 6 months. Israel provoked the action. again, there is no propaganda from Hamas or from muslims. only the truth.If you read detailed reports from the negotiators, the plan is clear.remove the jews from gaza which they did a few years ago.let the palestinians have Gaza.Lock them in.starve them.dont let any aid in.dont allow it to develop.eventually they will leave in 20 years time.Israel then secures gaza strip.the plans clear.You just dont see it cause you read/watch sky which is pro israeli and read pro israeli papers. or you support the propaganda.To understand what is going on you have to dig deeper.thats why 60,000 people attended a march in london, mostly non muslims.what does that say..people are waking up to the truth.
watermelon, blackburn says...
12:06pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Cast Lead > So what your saying is Israel is justified in its right to commit genocide and ethnic cleanse. Obviusly you cant have a proper conversation with **** like you cause you support these barbaric acts commited by israel. You may get away it now, but when the rest of the world wakes up, and ready to challange the US and UK, which is closer than you think, then Israel will not be able to hide behind its backers. If you think its justified, come to the march in blackburn, wel have a chat instead of making personal comments behind your computer. dont bother replying, cause your just a **** and you cant have a proper debate.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:06pm Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:The Palestinian Arabs never sought Statehood when they were "occupied" by the Ottomans, Jordan and Egypt.
reply to john kenyon, Israel broke the truce by making regular incursions in to gaza during the truce. killed 30 palestinians. Hamas held on upto 3 weeks ago. they didnt fire rockets for 6 months. Israel provoked the action. again, there is no propaganda from Hamas or from muslims. only the truth.If you read detailed reports from the negotiators, the plan is clear.remove the jews from gaza which they did a few years ago.let the palestinians have Gaza.Lock them in.starve them.dont let any aid in.dont allow it to develop.eventually they will leave in 20 years time.Israel then secures gaza strip.the plans clear.You just dont see it cause you read/watch sky which is pro israeli and read pro israeli papers. or you support the propaganda.To understand what is going on you have to dig deeper.thats why 60,000 people attended a march in london, mostly non muslims.what does that say..people are waking up to the truth.
The claim began as a tactic to eliminate the Jewish State of Israel. The PLO even being formed by Egypt in 1964 when the "West Bank" and Gaza are described as being Arab occupied.
The Arabs/Palestinians refused to make peace with Israel when there were no "settlements" in existence and also when Ehud Barak offered to remove them all.
The real barrier to "peace" is that the Palestinians are utterly unwilling to accept the existence of a Jewish State in ANY part of what they describe as "Palestine".
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:13pm Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:Dear oh dear watermelon. You're now resorting to personal insults. That's usually an indication that you are losing the debate.
Cast Lead > So what your saying is Israel is justified in its right to commit genocide and ethnic cleanse. Obviusly you cant have a proper conversation with **** like you cause you support these barbaric acts commited by israel. You may get away it now, but when the rest of the world wakes up, and ready to challange the US and UK, which is closer than you think, then Israel will not be able to hide behind its backers. If you think its justified, come to the march in blackburn, wel have a chat instead of making personal comments behind your computer. dont bother replying, cause your just a **** and you cant have a proper debate.
Genocide, mmm?
Palestinian propagandists such as yourself regularly invoke the "human rights" issue merely as a tactic against Israel.
Hamas and the Palestinian Authority however have no respect for tolerance or human rights itself with a policy of torturing and killing alleged collaborators, often publicly, without even a semblance of a due process of law or trial.
This issue of Palestinian human rights abuses and persecution of Christians (and Jews in the territories) is of little consequence to Moslem public opinion, which only concentratse on alleged Israel/Jewish wrongdoings against fellow Moslems.
Hamas has as many, if not more fellow Moslems in the past 3 years than Israel. But that's OK I suppose?
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:25pm Sat 10 Jan 09
"...Hamas has killed as many, if not more fellow Moslems in the past 3 years than Israel. But that's OK I suppose?"
It's funny how the Arabs only demand "human rights" vis-a-vis the Jewish Palestininian conflict.
They never apply it to their own countries.
Take the example of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees(UNHCR).
The vast percentage of it's resolutions are against Israel, which is the only nation to be subject to an entire agenda EVERY year.
By comparison the it has never passed a resolution against states such as Syria, China, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Chad, Liberia, Malawi, Mali, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Yemen or Zimbabwe, all of whom are committing gross and systematic human rights abuses.
Ask yourself why?
Underlying all of this hysteria aimed at Israel is one simple equation: International bigotry which taps into the age old European affliction of anti-Semitism.
It's funny how the Arabs only demand "human rights" vis-a-vis the Jewish Palestininian conflict.
They never apply it to their own countries.
Take the example of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees(UNHCR).
The vast percentage of it's resolutions are against Israel, which is the only nation to be subject to an entire agenda EVERY year.
By comparison the it has never passed a resolution against states such as Syria, China, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Chad, Liberia, Malawi, Mali, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Yemen or Zimbabwe, all of whom are committing gross and systematic human rights abuses.
Ask yourself why?
Underlying all of this hysteria aimed at Israel is one simple equation: International bigotry which taps into the age old European affliction of anti-Semitism.
watermelon, blackburn says...
12:41pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Castlead Gaza> OH dear..its you thats giving the insults thats why you get some back. It works both ways. Also Israel probably has the most amount UN resolutions imposed, but non of these really apply to Israel in the first instance. Because they ignore every single one of them and are allowed too, simply because the have the mighty US behind them who will back them with all the arsenal they want.on the other hand as an example, destroying countries like Iraq and afghanistan was ok just because the Us and Uk thought , after the report suggested there was no evidence of Mass weapons, was justifiable? Israel is in breach of every UN resolution but the world cannot do anything..Because of the US and UK and the media PR machine it has. Theres enough points on here for people to see and make their own minds. The palestinians are the victims, the Israelis are the aggressors.I wil let you carry on this blog, I have bigger fish to fry.
good luck with your propaganda.
good luck with your propaganda.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:43pm Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:"...You may get away it now, but when the rest of the world wakes up, and ready to challange the US and UK, which is closer than you think..."
Cast Lead > So what your saying is Israel is justified in its right to commit genocide and ethnic cleanse. Obviusly you cant have a proper conversation with **** like you cause you support these barbaric acts commited by israel. You may get away it now, but when the rest of the world wakes up, and ready to challange the US and UK, which is closer than you think, then Israel will not be able to hide behind its backers. If you think its justified, come to the march in blackburn, wel have a chat instead of making personal comments behind your computer. dont bother replying, cause your just a **** and you cant have a proper debate.
To watermelon and his/her fellow Moslems.
If you detest what the UK so much and want to support the jihad against British and Nato troops in Afganistan and Pakistan, nobody is forcing you to stay.
There are a whole host of Islamic countries from Albania to Saudi Arabia where you can live amongst fellow Moslems, hate the UK, the U.S and the West as much as you like.
Sharia law is an option if you actually want it.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:53pm Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:That's OK watermelon, you're just out of your league is all...
Castlead Gaza> OH dear..its you thats giving the insults thats why you get some back. It works both ways. Also Israel probably has the most amount UN resolutions imposed, but non of these really apply to Israel in the first instance. Because they ignore every single one of them and are allowed too, simply because the have the mighty US behind them who will back them with all the arsenal they want.on the other hand as an example, destroying countries like Iraq and afghanistan was ok just because the Us and Uk thought , after the report suggested there was no evidence of Mass weapons, was justifiable? Israel is in breach of every UN resolution but the world cannot do anything..Because of the US and UK and the media PR machine it has. Theres enough points on here for people to see and make their own minds. The palestinians are the victims, the Israelis are the aggressors.I wil let you carry on this blog, I have bigger fish to fry. good luck with your propaganda.
Let me ask all you Israel bashers out there something.
Why is the world so focused on Israel? And why is the world so focused on Palestinian statehood? Why has the Palestinian cause been leapfrogged ahead of the Tibetans at the U.N.?
The Tibetans can't get a meeting at the U.N., can't even get into the building. They can't get to see the Pope. They can't get to many, many institutions. Yes, the Dalai Lama can get a hearing in various places. Why not the Kurds? Why not the Armenians? Why not the Chechens? Why not so many others? Why are the Palestinians leapfrogged?
Well, there are several reasons.
First, terrorism. They have mastered the art of using terrorism to bring themselves to the attention of the world. And they should not be rewarded for that.
Second, they are lucky because the group that they claim oppresses them happens to be the Jew among nations, not the most popular group in the world. It's much easier to oppose the Jewish nation than to oppose China, or to oppose Turkey, in the case of the Armenians, or to oppose other stronger countries.
This leads me to the third reason, and that is oil. The allies of the Palestinians are oil-rich nations.
And the fourth reason is because Israel is seen as a surrogate in many parts of the world for the United States. And a lot of anti-Americanism really manifests itself as anti-Israel bashing, particularly in university campuses.
Scratch anti-Israeli sentiment deep enough and I think you'll find strong anti-American attitudes of the kind expressed on this message board.
And by the way, in the Middle East scratch an anti-Semite and you will often find an anti-Christian. A lot of the opposition is to the Judeo-Christian heritage and civilization.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
2:59pm Sat 10 Jan 09
"...Israel drops leaflets over Gaza warning of 'escalation' in violence..."
Rumour has it that any escalation has been delayed by the I.D.F. until after Sunday afternoon, so as not to further arouse the wrath of Yvonne Ridley and her band of bigoted bandwagon of bleating sheep in Corporation Park.
Don't forget to feed the ducks.
Rumour has it that any escalation has been delayed by the I.D.F. until after Sunday afternoon, so as not to further arouse the wrath of Yvonne Ridley and her band of bigoted bandwagon of bleating sheep in Corporation Park.
Don't forget to feed the ducks.
easymonies, Disneyland says...
5:48pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Just watching Sky News Live and what that is showing is an excellent reason why the demonstration should NOT go ahead. Masked protesters throwing missiles at the police. They've knocked a policeman out.
Some shops have had their windows smashed because they were on the route of the march.
There is currently a standoff between aggressive predominantly young asian people and the police.
And you wonder why we are opposed to the march here. Hope it rains tomorrow.
By the way, how did the Darwen march go. No news here.
Some shops have had their windows smashed because they were on the route of the march.
There is currently a standoff between aggressive predominantly young asian people and the police.
And you wonder why we are opposed to the march here. Hope it rains tomorrow.
By the way, how did the Darwen march go. No news here.
Barry11, Blackburn says...
6:50pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Wake up folks of Blackburn, you are wasting your time!!
PS the MP's of this country have enough to do to sort out the financial British mess, without getting involved in other peoples troubles!!