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Gaza protest marches in Blackburn and Nelson
10:50am Friday 9th January 2009
THOUSANDS of people will march through Blackburn this weekend in protest at the conflict in Gaza, according to organisers.
Speakers, including human rights activist Lauren Booth, Dr Brian Iddon, Bolton MP, and journalist Yvonne Ridley will address the crowd at Corporation Park on Sunday at 2pm.
Organisers of the march, the Lancashire Council of Mosques, said the protest was a response to Israel “launching a vicious and barbaric assault on the helpless women, children and families of Gaza”.
Salim Mulla, from LCM, will be leading the march from the Bangor Street Community Centre at 1pm.
He said he hoped thousands of people from all communities in East Lancashire would attend.
He said: “Britain has an obligation to stand up and protect the rights of innocent civilians.
“We as a community will not stand by silently as this injustice continues.
"We call upon the British government to take a firm stand against the excessive actions of the state of Israel.”
LCM spokesman Farouk Hussain added: “Whilst all nations have the right of self defence, Israel has callously hijacked this principle as a premise for launching a barbaric assault on the helpless women and children of Gaza, having previously starved them of basic food, energy and medical supplies over many years.”
Local police have helped organisers plan the event, which has been moved from Blackburn Town Hall due to fears over an the large number of protesters.
A protest march will also take place in Nelson today against the conflict in Gaza.
The Pendle for Palestine Twinning Group and Stop the War Coalition will hold the protest at the war memorial in Market Square at 1.30pm.
The protestors will present a petition to Pendle MP Gordon Prentice later in the afternoon.
Mr Prentice has called for an immediate and unconditional end to the Israeli onslaught in Gaza.
Speaking from his office at Westminster, Mr Prentice said: “The carnage we have witnessed in Gaza demands a ceasefire now.
"Not just for three hours or three days. With over 600 deaths and mounting, the slaughter must end.”
Protests have already taken place across the north west including in Preston, Bolton, Liverpool and Manchester.
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Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
7:08pm Thu 8 Jan 09
How many times over the past 8 years has "human rights activist" Lauren Booth condemned Hamas over its flagrent disregard for the human rights of Israeli children blown up in resturants, buses and markets.?
Has she ever visited the injured and tried to help them in any way?
She only cares about the Palastinians human rights
Has she ever visited the injured and tried to help them in any way?
She only cares about the Palastinians human rights
BR FC, Darwen says...
7:37pm Thu 8 Jan 09
I say pull all the good people out of Israel and Palestine then let both countries blow each other to bits.
They're as bad as each other.
They're as bad as each other.
Yvonne Ridley, London says...
7:37pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Barry and Brian,
We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour.
I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine.
Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured.
How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied?
Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government.
It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children.
I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza.
You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians.
Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay.
I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice.
Yvonne Ridley
London, UK
We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour.
I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine.
Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured.
How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied?
Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government.
It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children.
I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza.
You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians.
Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay.
I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice.
Yvonne Ridley
London, UK
onlyonesimongarner, ewood says...
7:43pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Take your war somewhere else.
We have no interest in paying for policing of a demonstration which can do nothing to influence either side
This has been going on for Centuries , and some jumped up pressure group in a far away land is not going to change anything.
Maybe you would like us to be dragged into this one as well, and see more of our own yound men and woman sacrificed in the name of someone else freedom.
It time we started to think about British people and thr problems we face in our own land, and let the rest of the world sort out it`s own mess.
We have no interest in paying for policing of a demonstration which can do nothing to influence either side
This has been going on for Centuries , and some jumped up pressure group in a far away land is not going to change anything.
Maybe you would like us to be dragged into this one as well, and see more of our own yound men and woman sacrificed in the name of someone else freedom.
It time we started to think about British people and thr problems we face in our own land, and let the rest of the world sort out it`s own mess.
Barry11, Blackburn says...
7:46pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Dear Yvonne,
As I stated, you or anyone else speaking in a small northern town in England, will not make any difference what-so-ever to what ever the outcome of the middle east crisis is.
Please don't patronise us by telling us that "Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay." in order to get more attendees at your show.
You want to try living here 52 weeks per year....its not that great!
As I stated, you or anyone else speaking in a small northern town in England, will not make any difference what-so-ever to what ever the outcome of the middle east crisis is.
Please don't patronise us by telling us that "Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay." in order to get more attendees at your show.
You want to try living here 52 weeks per year....its not that great!
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
7:52pm Thu 8 Jan 09
How ridiculous a protest in Blackburn?? what has it got to do with us?? ermmmmmmmmm nothing.
I think Israel deserve our support, the idiots fire rockets in to Israel then cry to the world when they retaliate.
I think Israel deserve our support, the idiots fire rockets in to Israel then cry to the world when they retaliate.
Barry11, Blackburn says...
7:59pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To the organisers,
Is the protest being held here in Blackburn because of the high Muslim population of the town? & therefore a higher chance of a bigger turn-out?....if so, you are doing nothing to improve the race relations of this town!
Is the protest being held here in Blackburn because of the high Muslim population of the town? & therefore a higher chance of a bigger turn-out?....if so, you are doing nothing to improve the race relations of this town!
onlyonesimongarner, ewood says...
8:05pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Point is this
Of course our hearts go out when we see scenes like the school being attacked,
BUT
The truth is that the two waring factions will not stop until they have obliterated each other.
In Isreal, people are being shelled yes, but they choose to set up home close to the Gaza Border despite knowing that the actions of their elected government are going to provoke reaction from the Palestinians and put them in the firing line.
In Gaza, Hamas was democraticaly elected by the people, who knew before they voted that the Core Principal of the party was the destruction of the State of Isreal. No-on with any inteligence realy expected them to make peace
Sounds like a no win situation to me.
But whey should the people of Blackburn be dragged into this, This is only going to lead to more religous hatred spreading, and should be stopped now.
What if a Pro-Zionist was organised for the same time.
I don`t want that kind of hassle in my Town.
All outward signs of religion, in my opinion, whould be banned.
Through history relions are the cause of more wars and deaths in the world than anything else.
Of course our hearts go out when we see scenes like the school being attacked,
BUT
The truth is that the two waring factions will not stop until they have obliterated each other.
In Isreal, people are being shelled yes, but they choose to set up home close to the Gaza Border despite knowing that the actions of their elected government are going to provoke reaction from the Palestinians and put them in the firing line.
In Gaza, Hamas was democraticaly elected by the people, who knew before they voted that the Core Principal of the party was the destruction of the State of Isreal. No-on with any inteligence realy expected them to make peace
Sounds like a no win situation to me.
But whey should the people of Blackburn be dragged into this, This is only going to lead to more religous hatred spreading, and should be stopped now.
What if a Pro-Zionist was organised for the same time.
I don`t want that kind of hassle in my Town.
All outward signs of religion, in my opinion, whould be banned.
Through history relions are the cause of more wars and deaths in the world than anything else.
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
8:09pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Yvonne: Are you willing to condemn as racist the statement by Hamas that zionists/jews should be killed wherever they are?
You state that Hamas " does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children". Please tell me who the rockets fired into Israel are aimed at?
You state that Hamas has not killed any "Israeli children" - Can you please clarify your definition of "children" given that young people in Israel have been killed by Hamas
Can you please clarify whether you regard yourself as as an activist working for the human rights of everyone or whether you are a pro palastnian activist
I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza.
You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn
You state that Hamas " does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children". Please tell me who the rockets fired into Israel are aimed at?
You state that Hamas has not killed any "Israeli children" - Can you please clarify your definition of "children" given that young people in Israel have been killed by Hamas
Can you please clarify whether you regard yourself as as an activist working for the human rights of everyone or whether you are a pro palastnian activist
I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza.
You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
8:50pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Yvonne: do you condemn Hamas for breaching todays 3 hour ceasefire?
soap opera, coronation st says...
9:08pm Thu 8 Jan 09
human rights activist Lauren Booth,is this the sister of cherrie blair im sure if she organised it in liverpool her dad could come along as well and is Salim Mulla, from LCM,councillor salim mulla who as not found anything to arrange a march for in blackburn for months he must have got bored .and when can you use a public park for a political event which as no connection in the town.these people are just empire building the only people they are interested in is promoting themselves within there community
duke bar, burnley says...
9:18pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Have this march in Burnley and it will cause a riot.
Did not see any marches to stop England being bombed by muslim terrorists.WHAT ABOUT THIS YVONNE.
What about conflicts in Africa Yvonne or Sri Lanka.....The lefties forget about these people don,t they.
Isreal is doing right striking back at the people who are firing rockets at them.If your so bothered Yvonne get yerself over to gaza right away.
Take your Blackburn marches with you
Did not see any marches to stop England being bombed by muslim terrorists.WHAT ABOUT THIS YVONNE.
What about conflicts in Africa Yvonne or Sri Lanka.....The lefties forget about these people don,t they.
Isreal is doing right striking back at the people who are firing rockets at them.If your so bothered Yvonne get yerself over to gaza right away.
Take your Blackburn marches with you
rickyl, Stockport says...
9:30pm Thu 8 Jan 09
We do not need people like this Lauren Booth, Yvonne Ridley, and Mr Mulla coming to our town stirring up racial tension.They are here to try to make a name for themselves, and after causing trouble will disappear back to wherever they came from, leaving us who actually live in the town to deal with the consequenses. I hope the police put a stop to this nonsense.
karolgadge, Oswaldtwistle says...
9:31pm Thu 8 Jan 09
With regard to Yvonne Ridley's comments above, is this the same lady who, according to her biography on the Wikipedia website once described Israel in these terms:
"that disgusting little watchdog of America that is festering in the Middle East"?
If these really are an accurate rendition of her words, it seems that her espousal of 'human rights' is suspiciously one-sided. Even if one accepts that the Israeli response to the Hamas threat is wildly disproportionate (as I do), the status of Israel itself cannot be discounted as an irrelevance to the current conflict.
Does Yvonne Ridley believe, like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, that Israel's destruction is a worthwhile and morally justifiable aim for true members of the Ummah?
I think we ought to be told.
"that disgusting little watchdog of America that is festering in the Middle East"?
If these really are an accurate rendition of her words, it seems that her espousal of 'human rights' is suspiciously one-sided. Even if one accepts that the Israeli response to the Hamas threat is wildly disproportionate (as I do), the status of Israel itself cannot be discounted as an irrelevance to the current conflict.
Does Yvonne Ridley believe, like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, that Israel's destruction is a worthwhile and morally justifiable aim for true members of the Ummah?
I think we ought to be told.
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
9:53pm Thu 8 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:For once I agree 100% with Burnley posters.
Have this march in Burnley and it will cause a riot. Did not see any marches to stop England being bombed by muslim terrorists.WHAT ABOUT THIS YVONNE. What about conflicts in Africa Yvonne or Sri Lanka.....The lefties forget about these people don,t they. Isreal is doing right striking back at the people who are firing rockets at them.If your so bothered Yvonne get yerself over to gaza right away. Take your Blackburn marches with you
Yvonne Ridley, London says...
9:55pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Simon,
If Britain held your attitude then you'd probably be speaking German by now - you should read your history and then you would know that the whole notion of the Zionist State was born in Britain in a 20+ word statement by lord Balfour.
brian Martin, you clearly have not read my article about propaganda and truth. You clearly did not listen to the UN today condemning the breaking of the three-hour ceasefire by Israel, not by Hamas. These are deemed serious contraventions of the Geneva Conventions and there is a call for the UN to launch an investigation into israel for these crimes.
If you are going to do battle with me, arm yourself with knowledge, facts and truth - not propaganda and falsehoods.
Karolgadge - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never called for israel's destruction - there was an excellent piece in The Guardian about this falsehood.
I am prepared to have a battle of wits with you, but clearly you are not prepared. Slinging insults just exposes your own ignorance in these issues.
Come along to the rally and at least become acquainted with the facts and then form your own opinions on the issues.
kind regards
Yvonne
If Britain held your attitude then you'd probably be speaking German by now - you should read your history and then you would know that the whole notion of the Zionist State was born in Britain in a 20+ word statement by lord Balfour.
brian Martin, you clearly have not read my article about propaganda and truth. You clearly did not listen to the UN today condemning the breaking of the three-hour ceasefire by Israel, not by Hamas. These are deemed serious contraventions of the Geneva Conventions and there is a call for the UN to launch an investigation into israel for these crimes.
If you are going to do battle with me, arm yourself with knowledge, facts and truth - not propaganda and falsehoods.
Karolgadge - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never called for israel's destruction - there was an excellent piece in The Guardian about this falsehood.
I am prepared to have a battle of wits with you, but clearly you are not prepared. Slinging insults just exposes your own ignorance in these issues.
Come along to the rally and at least become acquainted with the facts and then form your own opinions on the issues.
kind regards
Yvonne
Yvonne Ridley, London says...
10:00pm Thu 8 Jan 09
PS: Mr Reasonable and Duke Bar - you really are very silly. But ignorance is not a crime, however I really can't have a battle of wits with two men are are clearly unarmed intellectually. Come along to the demonstration and be educated. now there's a challenge.
YR
YR
Barry11, Blackburn says...
10:03pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Dear Yvonne,
You can have your "rally" if you want, but just don't have it in our town....I don't want our town to be picking the pieces up, re-building community relations, bad press for our town in the media & footing the bill for it when you have all gone back to where you come from.
If you claim to be listening to the people of other cultures,why not listen to your own this time!!
You can have your "rally" if you want, but just don't have it in our town....I don't want our town to be picking the pieces up, re-building community relations, bad press for our town in the media & footing the bill for it when you have all gone back to where you come from.
If you claim to be listening to the people of other cultures,why not listen to your own this time!!
karolgadge, Oswaldtwistle says...
10:14pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Yvonne Ridley:
I am well aware of the various interpretations made of President Ahmadinejad's references to Israel; so please do not accuse me of exposing my ignorance. I could, in turn, refer you to the New York Times of June 11, 2006 and an analysis by Ethan Bronner of the President's references to Israel. But trumping one journalist by referring to another is an intellectual dead-end.
I note that you have not answered my main point: do you support the ultimate destruction (or disintegration because of internal contradictions if you prefer) of Israel? Secondly, do you stand by the comments reported in Wikipedia, or do they misrepresent your view of Israel?
I am well aware of the various interpretations made of President Ahmadinejad's references to Israel; so please do not accuse me of exposing my ignorance. I could, in turn, refer you to the New York Times of June 11, 2006 and an analysis by Ethan Bronner of the President's references to Israel. But trumping one journalist by referring to another is an intellectual dead-end.
I note that you have not answered my main point: do you support the ultimate destruction (or disintegration because of internal contradictions if you prefer) of Israel? Secondly, do you stand by the comments reported in Wikipedia, or do they misrepresent your view of Israel?
duke bar, burnley says...
10:19pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley wrote:The truth hurts Yvonne.
PS: Mr Reasonable and Duke Bar - you really are very silly. But ignorance is not a crime, however I really can't have a battle of wits with two men are are clearly unarmed intellectually. Come along to the demonstration and be educated. now there's a challenge. YR
This is why you are trying to say we are not educated enough to respond to your bullshit.Lefties do this when proved wrong . ha ha
No chance on earth i will be at a Demonstration with a leftie lentile eating, terrorist loving person like you.Yvonne.
No thanks i would sooner go and watch Rovers
Your the one being Silly Yvonne
As i said get over to Gaza as your not welcome in East Lancs.
I am sure they will treat you with respect just like they treat the women in Saudi Arabia.
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
10:23pm Thu 8 Jan 09
I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza!
The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND!
I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday!
The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye.
Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there!
FREE THE PALESTINE!!
END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!
The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND!
I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday!
The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye.
Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there!
FREE THE PALESTINE!!
END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!
retired one, Blackburn says...
10:33pm Thu 8 Jan 09
This is our public park and not a place for protesters, these people who will be demonstrating should offer themselves up and go over to Gaza and help in the situation.
What good will their protest do only stir up racial tension here.
We want our park to enjoy our family outings, and not to be taken over by others.
The authorities are encouraging this behaviour by allowing it to happen.
We cannot say what we think anymore, but we have to pay for it and put up with it.
What good will their protest do only stir up racial tension here.
We want our park to enjoy our family outings, and not to be taken over by others.
The authorities are encouraging this behaviour by allowing it to happen.
We cannot say what we think anymore, but we have to pay for it and put up with it.
Yvonne Ridley, London says...
10:35pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Barry11 - you really have provided some entertaining light relief, this evening. In reference to "If you claim to be listening to the people of other cultures,why not listen to your own this time!!" I had no idea you were a fellow Geordie.
Karolgadge, I don't follow specific journalists or the New York Times, which incidentally had to issue a front page apology for misleading its readers over the WoT. But I do follow facts and the facts are he never said that. As much as you might want to be in denial dear, you have to face the facts. And if you are using Wikipedia as a source for information, then this is why you are sounding so confused. Go on to my website www.yvonneridley.org instead.
the last time I went on to my Wikipedia website it said I had won £1m on Littlewoods ... I wish.
Read my latest article on the media distortion re-Gaza.
Looking forward to the visit.
YR
Karolgadge, I don't follow specific journalists or the New York Times, which incidentally had to issue a front page apology for misleading its readers over the WoT. But I do follow facts and the facts are he never said that. As much as you might want to be in denial dear, you have to face the facts. And if you are using Wikipedia as a source for information, then this is why you are sounding so confused. Go on to my website www.yvonneridley.org instead.
the last time I went on to my Wikipedia website it said I had won £1m on Littlewoods ... I wish.
Read my latest article on the media distortion re-Gaza.
Looking forward to the visit.
YR
duke bar, burnley says...
10:36pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Rovers Girl wrote:What about suicide bombers on school busses.Does that not bring any tears to your eyes.Hamas and the PLo have been doing this for years and years.They executed Israelis who were competing in the Olympics in Munich back in the 70s .
I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza! The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND! I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday! The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye. Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there! FREE THE PALESTINE!! END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!
Keep up the fight Israel lots of people are on your side.
If your brothers and sisters are over in Gaza get yourself back home .Bring Yvonne and her mates with you
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
10:39pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley how can you call people ignorant? because we disagree with you? This is our town not yours, it has enough racial tension without lefties like you spouting your evil bile to the towns poulation. Tell me Yvonne when the rockets are aimed at Israel do they not hjarm or kill innocent men, women and children? Do you wish to protest at the killing of Israels people? The world would be a better place without closet racists. I hope the heavens open on you and your wicked mind and you have only a few listeners. How do baffoons like you sleep at night??
Barry11, Blackburn says...
10:46pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Dear Yvonne,
You seem to think that we, up in the north of England are a bit thick? You certainly treat us like that, judging by the comments to myself & others on this forum.
I Mean BRITISH CULTURE!!, or has that got so watered down these days that no-one knows what it is any more?
Listen to your own culture means US BRITISH......We dont want you & your protest march in our town!!.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
You seem to think that we, up in the north of England are a bit thick? You certainly treat us like that, judging by the comments to myself & others on this forum.
I Mean BRITISH CULTURE!!, or has that got so watered down these days that no-one knows what it is any more?
Listen to your own culture means US BRITISH......We dont want you & your protest march in our town!!.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
retired one, Blackburn says...
10:47pm Thu 8 Jan 09
What would happen to us if we went to a Muslim country and protested about what the terrorists are doing to Christians?
I wouldn't like to think about it.
I wouldn't like to think about it.
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
10:52pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Our Father in Heaven, Rock and Redeemer of the people Israel; Bless the State of Israel, with its promise of redemption. Shield it with Your love; spread over it the shelter of Your peace. Guide its leaders and advisors with Your light and Your truth. Help them with Your good counsel. Strengthen the hands of those who defend our Holy Land. Deliver them; crown their efforts with triumph. Bless the land with peace, and its inhabitants with lasting joy. And let us say: Amen.
Siddur Sim Shalom
And Dear God keep Yvonne Ridley out of our town and leave Blackburns communities to get along in peace.
WE DONT NEED HER HERE
Siddur Sim Shalom
And Dear God keep Yvonne Ridley out of our town and leave Blackburns communities to get along in peace.
WE DONT NEED HER HERE
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
10:54pm Thu 8 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:What are you trying to say, there are no Israeli suicide bombers?
Rovers Girl wrote: I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza! The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND! I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday! The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye. Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there! FREE THE PALESTINE!! END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!What about suicide bombers on school busses.Does that not bring any tears to your eyes.Hamas and the PLo have been doing this for years and years.They executed Israelis who were competing in the Olympics in Munich back in the 70s . Keep up the fight Israel lots of people are on your side. If your brothers and sisters are over in Gaza get yourself back home .Bring Yvonne and her mates with you
I don't really care about the past, were talking present and future here!
If i am in my home why do I need to get back home??
Don't worry i'l be bringing Yvonne and her mates to Blackburn!
She's gonna be coming to the march along with another few thousand people!
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
10:57pm Thu 8 Jan 09
retired one wrote:Why did you say to a Muslim country??
What would happen to us if we went to a Muslim country and protested about what the terrorists are doing to Christians? I wouldn't like to think about it.
Are Muslims terrorists now?
duke bar, burnley says...
10:58pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Mr-Reasonable wrote:Well said Mr-Reasonable.Your spot
Our Father in Heaven, Rock and Redeemer of the people Israel; Bless the State of Israel, with its promise of redemption. Shield it with Your love; spread over it the shelter of Your peace. Guide its leaders and advisors with Your light and Your truth. Help them with Your good counsel. Strengthen the hands of those who defend our Holy Land. Deliver them; crown their efforts with triumph. Bless the land with peace, and its inhabitants with lasting joy. And let us say: Amen. Siddur Sim Shalom And Dear God keep Yvonne Ridley out of our town and leave Blackburns communities to get along in peace. WE DONT NEED HER HERE
Hope this gets the message across to the very Educated Yvonne. .
Barry11, Blackburn says...
11:07pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Dear Rovers Girl,
Why do you consider people in a land that is not, as you have stated "your home", to be your Brothers & sisters?
Are they really your kin (family) or some folks who share the same country of origin/religion as you?.
If they are your true family (kin) I can understand your concern, but if the former. You are no more related to them than I am to a Frenchman or German.
If it is the latter, I would fail to see why you are getting so involved in something in another country.
Please confirm I am genuinely interested as to which.
Why do you consider people in a land that is not, as you have stated "your home", to be your Brothers & sisters?
Are they really your kin (family) or some folks who share the same country of origin/religion as you?.
If they are your true family (kin) I can understand your concern, but if the former. You are no more related to them than I am to a Frenchman or German.
If it is the latter, I would fail to see why you are getting so involved in something in another country.
Please confirm I am genuinely interested as to which.
karolgadge, Oswaldtwistle says...
11:09pm Thu 8 Jan 09
To Yvonne Ridley:
Please refrain from patronising by calling me 'dear'. I take it by your circumventing my question regarding your views on Israel, in this respect (if not others) Wikipedia is correct. Like you, I do not use Wiki as my sole guide but it is a reasonable first step when commenting briefly in a forum such as this.
As for being confused, if the shoe fits... you claim not to follow journalists but are dead keen to refer me to a particular Guardian piece that supports your take; yet somehow the New York Times is below your radar screen. Is this because you perceive it to be a Zionist-based fable sheet?
Please refrain from patronising by calling me 'dear'. I take it by your circumventing my question regarding your views on Israel, in this respect (if not others) Wikipedia is correct. Like you, I do not use Wiki as my sole guide but it is a reasonable first step when commenting briefly in a forum such as this.
As for being confused, if the shoe fits... you claim not to follow journalists but are dead keen to refer me to a particular Guardian piece that supports your take; yet somehow the New York Times is below your radar screen. Is this because you perceive it to be a Zionist-based fable sheet?
TheReason, Blackburn says...
11:18pm Thu 8 Jan 09
LONG STORY CUT SHORT-
Religious war carries on... and on and on.
It really gets on my nerves how all the conflict in the world is put down to things like 'Political conflict'.
Religion spells war. They absolutely crave it and the Bible and Koran mandates it.
'If the we were see a mushroom cloud over New York or London, a massive percentage (of America) would see a silver lining. The end of the world would be upon us.'
-Sam Harris (Author of The End of Faith.
OK I'm paraphrasing but that's the gist!
Religious war carries on... and on and on.
It really gets on my nerves how all the conflict in the world is put down to things like 'Political conflict'.
Religion spells war. They absolutely crave it and the Bible and Koran mandates it.
'If the we were see a mushroom cloud over New York or London, a massive percentage (of America) would see a silver lining. The end of the world would be upon us.'
-Sam Harris (Author of The End of Faith.
OK I'm paraphrasing but that's the gist!
duke bar, burnley says...
11:19pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Rovers Girl wrote:You don,t care about the past!
duke bar wrote:What are you trying to say, there are no Israeli suicide bombers? I don't really care about the past, were talking present and future here! If i am in my home why do I need to get back home?? Don't worry i'l be bringing Yvonne and her mates to Blackburn! She's gonna be coming to the march along with another few thousand people!Rovers Girl wrote: I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza! The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND! I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday! The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye. Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there! FREE THE PALESTINE!! END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!What about suicide bombers on school busses.Does that not bring any tears to your eyes.Hamas and the PLo have been doing this for years and years.They executed Israelis who were competing in the Olympics in Munich back in the 70s . Keep up the fight Israel lots of people are on your side. If your brothers and sisters are over in Gaza get yourself back home .Bring Yvonne and her mates with you
No there are not any suicide bombers from Israel its mostly Muslims who do this nasty stuff.
You mentioned you had brothers and sisters in Gaza.Go and visit them if your so upset about whats going on.Your march in Blackburn will do nothing at all for your brothers and sisters Will it....
I am sure all the Rovers fans will be happy with you showing them up.
Up the clarets.
TheReason, Blackburn says...
11:24pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Sorry for the terrible grammar in the last post everyone!
I was juggling a few things at once then!
I was juggling a few things at once then!
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
11:27pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Barry11 wrote:They're people that share the same religion!
Dear Rovers Girl, Why do you consider people in a land that is not, as you have stated "your home", to be your Brothers & sisters? Are they really your kin (family) or some folks who share the same country of origin/religion as you?. If they are your true family (kin) I can understand your concern, but if the former. You are no more related to them than I am to a Frenchman or German. If it is the latter, I would fail to see why you are getting so involved in something in another country. Please confirm I am genuinely interested as to which.
Barry11, Blackburn says...
11:35pm Thu 8 Jan 09
So, therfore, what ever they are doing you are clearly on "their side"?
Is that is true? ......why not consider all the options/views/opinio
ns & use your own brain to arrive at your own conclusion as to what is right & wrong....not just "they are the same religion as me, therefore they must be right".
You are in the UK, a free country, you are entitled to an opinion of your own.
Is that is true? ......why not consider all the options/views/opinio
ns & use your own brain to arrive at your own conclusion as to what is right & wrong....not just "they are the same religion as me, therefore they must be right".
You are in the UK, a free country, you are entitled to an opinion of your own.
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
11:36pm Thu 8 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:NO ISRAELI SUICIDE BOMBERS? says who? u?
Rovers Girl wrote:You don,t care about the past! No there are not any suicide bombers from Israel its mostly Muslims who do this nasty stuff. You mentioned you had brothers and sisters in Gaza.Go and visit them if your so upset about whats going on.Your march in Blackburn will do nothing at all for your brothers and sisters Will it.... I am sure all the Rovers fans will be happy with you showing them up. Up the clarets.duke bar wrote:What are you trying to say, there are no Israeli suicide bombers? I don't really care about the past, were talking present and future here! If i am in my home why do I need to get back home?? Don't worry i'l be bringing Yvonne and her mates to Blackburn! She's gonna be coming to the march along with another few thousand people!Rovers Girl wrote: I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza! The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND! I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday! The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye. Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there! FREE THE PALESTINE!! END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!What about suicide bombers on school busses.Does that not bring any tears to your eyes.Hamas and the PLo have been doing this for years and years.They executed Israelis who were competing in the Olympics in Munich back in the 70s . Keep up the fight Israel lots of people are on your side. If your brothers and sisters are over in Gaza get yourself back home .Bring Yvonne and her mates with you
I see that you have something againts Muslims. Well let me just tell you, it's not just Muslims that do this 'nasty stuff', it's alot of people, Israelis included.
We all want PEACE don't we?
The Rovers fans will be chuffed!
I'm sure the dingles will be tooo!
duke bar, burnley says...
11:49pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Your correct its not just Muslims who do this nasty stuff.
Its MOSTLY MUSLIMS as i said above...
Try reading what i have said please.
I have yet to hear of an Israeli who blows him self up with the intent of killing innocent people.
If you have please let us know.
Nothing against ordinary Muslims ,its the fanatics who i do not like.Those who preach death to jews and death to infidels. These are the ones i do not like.
The ones that make my kebabs and take away food are good.As are 1000s of other Muslims who keep the peace.
WE DONT LIKE ROVERS IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD ,BUT WE DONT WISH THEM OR THEIR FANS ANY HARM. WE ONLY WANT TO BEAT THEM ON THE FOOTBALL PITCH.
Have not done this for a long long time.
Its MOSTLY MUSLIMS as i said above...
Try reading what i have said please.
I have yet to hear of an Israeli who blows him self up with the intent of killing innocent people.
If you have please let us know.
Nothing against ordinary Muslims ,its the fanatics who i do not like.Those who preach death to jews and death to infidels. These are the ones i do not like.
The ones that make my kebabs and take away food are good.As are 1000s of other Muslims who keep the peace.
WE DONT LIKE ROVERS IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD ,BUT WE DONT WISH THEM OR THEIR FANS ANY HARM. WE ONLY WANT TO BEAT THEM ON THE FOOTBALL PITCH.
Have not done this for a long long time.
Rovers Girl, Blackburn says...
11:52pm Thu 8 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:Fair point!
Your correct its not just Muslims who do this nasty stuff. Its MOSTLY MUSLIMS as i said above... Try reading what i have said please. I have yet to hear of an Israeli who blows him self up with the intent of killing innocent people. If you have please let us know. Nothing against ordinary Muslims ,its the fanatics who i do not like.Those who preach death to jews and death to infidels. These are the ones i do not like. The ones that make my kebabs and take away food are good.As are 1000s of other Muslims who keep the peace. WE DONT LIKE ROVERS IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD ,BUT WE DONT WISH THEM OR THEIR FANS ANY HARM. WE ONLY WANT TO BEAT THEM ON THE FOOTBALL PITCH. Have not done this for a long long time.
loll..you'll never beat us on the pitch!
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
11:59pm Thu 8 Jan 09
If anyone cares to preview Yvonne preaching her peace message take a look here.
http://uk.youtube.co
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make up your own ming people is this what we want in Blackburn? what do yoy think RoversGirl?
http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=na5KLaj7LR
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make up your own ming people is this what we want in Blackburn? what do yoy think RoversGirl?
Big Bob Joylove, Blackburn says...
12:09am Fri 9 Jan 09
I'm born and bred in Blackburn, l don't count myself as racist and yes, thank you l will make my own mind up. I choose to exercise my right to free speech to protest against Israel for the killing of over 200 children in Gaza. Anyone who feels that to kill children is fine is able to start up their own protest but l fear your numbers will singular. And for the record, l'm white and have no religious following. I just don't like seeing kids killed and l feel strongly enough to say something. If you have a problem with that then you obviously are happy with everything in the world and sit there watching the news with a smile.
Yvonne Ridley, London says...
12:11am Fri 9 Jan 09
Retired one - many of us would love to go to Gaza but it has been under siege for nearly two years with no one allowed in or out.
The plight of the Gazan people has nothing to do with racial issues.
This is about justice for a people overseas and raising awareness of their situation, giving a voice to the voiceless.
What happened to famous Northern hospitality?
And what about the freedom to express, demonstrate and stand up for others who can't defend themselves?
please do come along and listen - you might even enjoy the day out.
The plight of the Gazan people has nothing to do with racial issues.
This is about justice for a people overseas and raising awareness of their situation, giving a voice to the voiceless.
What happened to famous Northern hospitality?
And what about the freedom to express, demonstrate and stand up for others who can't defend themselves?
please do come along and listen - you might even enjoy the day out.
Big Bob Joylove, Blackburn says...
12:16am Fri 9 Jan 09
"I have yet to hear of an Israeli who blows him self up with the intent of killing innocent people" - elequently put duke bar - thats cos they have tanks, F16's, Apache helicopters, nuclear missiles, gun boats, frigates, cruise missiles to kill innocents. Why blow yourself up when you have the hardware to do it from 50 miles away.
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
12:28am Fri 9 Jan 09
BigBoB
take a look at this woman on youtube she isnt a peace loving woman simple as!!!
Yvonne one more question, have you heard of Stockholm syndrome?
Please yvonne take your poison elsewhere one day you will have to answer to God, St Peter will slam them pearly gates on you.
take a look at this woman on youtube she isnt a peace loving woman simple as!!!
Yvonne one more question, have you heard of Stockholm syndrome?
Please yvonne take your poison elsewhere one day you will have to answer to God, St Peter will slam them pearly gates on you.
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
12:41am Fri 9 Jan 09
ISRAEL BELONGS TO THE JEWS !!!!
I think you will find if you study the HOLY BIBLE you will find many of gods prophets telling the world that one day the jews will return back to their homeland of israel.
The real reason muslims cant stand israel and the jews is because the jews are gods chosen people...
I think you will find if you study the HOLY BIBLE you will find many of gods prophets telling the world that one day the jews will return back to their homeland of israel.
The real reason muslims cant stand israel and the jews is because the jews are gods chosen people...
Big Bob Joylove, Blackburn says...
1:00am Fri 9 Jan 09
I think the point most people are missing here is that children are dead or dying. Who gives a sh!t who's land belongs to who, who gives a sh!t what religion Mohhamed os prophet of Jesus, who gives a sh!t if your black, brown, purple or green. Who gives a sh!t what the bible says and who gives a sh!t what the coffee smells like. CHILDREN ARE DEAD, l'm sorry l'll sat that again CHILDREN ARE DEAD and you wanna talk about dirt, colour, books and f*ckin coffee !!!!
SG, Indiana says...
1:05am Fri 9 Jan 09
This still begs the unanswered question of why Blackburn. Was the town chosen at random by Ms Ridley? I think not. It is crystal clear Blackburn was chosen because of its large Muslim population.
onlyonesimongarner, ewood says...
8:07am Fri 9 Jan 09
So you don`t deny the speech Yvonne
I would say that it bordering on stirring up racial hatred
Please act now and Ban this woman from our town.
We realy don`t want her and her kind here
I would say that it bordering on stirring up racial hatred
Please act now and Ban this woman from our town.
We realy don`t want her and her kind here
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
8:38am Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne - Please answer the specific questions I have asked you.
Your failure to do so may be interpreted as conceding that you are indeed a pro palastinian activist and do not care about the human rights of the Israeli children murdered in their homes, schools and buses by palestians.
Your failure to do so may be interpreted as conceding that you are indeed a pro palastinian activist and do not care about the human rights of the Israeli children murdered in their homes, schools and buses by palestians.
sofia, blackburn says...
9:18am Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne i will be attending the protest and look forward to yours and laurens speech. I attended the protest in preston last weekend.
Keep up the good work, its nice to know someone cares!
Keep up the good work, its nice to know someone cares!
sofia, blackburn says...
9:32am Fri 9 Jan 09
Channel 4 reported yesterday...
As a UN aid worker is killed in Gaza, the International Red Cross accuses Israel of breaching humanitarian law. Jonathan Rugman reports.
Conditions for the residents of Gaza worsened still further this afternoon when a United Nations aid agency suspended its operations after one of its workers was killed.
And in unusually strong terms the International Red Cross today criticised Israel after finding four emaciated children among a group of corpses in a house just metres from an Israeli military position.
As a UN aid worker is killed in Gaza, the International Red Cross accuses Israel of breaching humanitarian law. Jonathan Rugman reports.
Conditions for the residents of Gaza worsened still further this afternoon when a United Nations aid agency suspended its operations after one of its workers was killed.
And in unusually strong terms the International Red Cross today criticised Israel after finding four emaciated children among a group of corpses in a house just metres from an Israeli military position.
spyderleg, blackburn says...
9:55am Fri 9 Jan 09
Salim Mulla,stop preaching about Britains responsibility for the problems in the middle east.If you feel so strongly take yourself and your cohorts and go march through Gaza.Many people are sick and tired of people like yourself pontificating about things which don,t concern you.there are enough problems in the UK as it is without you importing more!
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
10:42am Fri 9 Jan 09
To Sofia:
Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated
civilian areas
If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas
Problem solved
I invite you to find fault with this argument
Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated
civilian areas
If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas
Problem solved
I invite you to find fault with this argument
Akki, Accy says...
10:53am Fri 9 Jan 09
judge dread when you say 'what normal right minded .....would want to join Islam' let me tell you official facts show more people are reverting to Islam then anything else, even Vicars and Rabbi's, no-one would join such a negatively portrayed religion without heavy reaserach, why dont you key in Abdul Raheem Green or Yusuf Estas into wikipedia or your beloved youtube. When you say muslims dont condemn 7/7 there were plenty of muslims condemning it, if you didnt see it then you must have been watching the wrong news channels. Yet i fail to see you condemn the isreali massacres on Gaza.
Yvonne i wouldnt bother with some of these lot some people are born to hate.
Yvonne i wouldnt bother with some of these lot some people are born to hate.
easymonies, Disneyland says...
11:02am Fri 9 Jan 09
I have just watched the 'youtube' video of the woman Ridley and her rantings, also the rantings of the sheep who follow her. I sincerely hope she is banned from speaking because all the comments in that video were race hatred against the West. Shame on her. I wonder if she only converted so that she could get a podeum to stand on. Turncoat. Can someone throw a shoe at her?
I condemn the killing of innocent children and of adults caught up in conflict. BUT, and it's a big but, children, women and males are dying on both sides. This is not a one sided conflict. Hamas are as bad and are killing children as well.
This protest march has nothing to do with children, it is a front for Muslims to protest and squeal on how they are being picked on and that they need a team hug.
I only hope the protest is stopped, for security reasons, and that the lasting damage and possible repercussions can be averted.
If not, then I hope God opens the heavens with all the tears of the victims who's lives have been taken by Muslim Fanatics. !!!
I condemn the killing of innocent children and of adults caught up in conflict. BUT, and it's a big but, children, women and males are dying on both sides. This is not a one sided conflict. Hamas are as bad and are killing children as well.
This protest march has nothing to do with children, it is a front for Muslims to protest and squeal on how they are being picked on and that they need a team hug.
I only hope the protest is stopped, for security reasons, and that the lasting damage and possible repercussions can be averted.
If not, then I hope God opens the heavens with all the tears of the victims who's lives have been taken by Muslim Fanatics. !!!
Akki, Accy says...
11:03am Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian Martin wrote:Brian it sounds like you are there on the ground watchin it at first hand, good on you, either that or you take what the isreali's tell you at face value all the time, if isreal is firing back at Hamas then why have their precision guided bombs targeted the UN aid convoy killing the lorry drivers? why did the isreali militry move 110 gazan people inc children into 1 house then fire at killing 30 and injuring the rest?
To Sofia: Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated civilian areas If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas Problem solved I invite you to find fault with this argument
why dont all the isreali militry launch their action from one place like the border as you say, then Hamas wouldnt have a need to fire randomly. what a silly argument you put forward.
Ian_G, Whalley says...
11:15am Fri 9 Jan 09
I would absolutely love to know why Nelson and Blackburn have been chosen for these rallies?
Would the organisers care to explain their reasoning?
Would the organisers care to explain their reasoning?
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
11:18am Fri 9 Jan 09
To Akky - Do you agree that civilians will not be killed if Israel fired from one place only and that Hamas should do the same?
Please don't call my arguments silly when you have failed to defeat them
Please don't call my arguments silly when you have failed to defeat them
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
11:40am Fri 9 Jan 09
T :Big Bob Joylove
Have you ever/are you willing to take part in a protest against the murder by Palastinians of Israeli children?
Have you ever/are you willing to take part in a protest against the murder by Palastinians of Israeli children?
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
12:13pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I just find it such a shame that these demonstrations are obviously opening up such strong and conflicting local feelings in our local area.
The facts of the matter are that israel's response to the threat of rockets is wildly disproprtionate and is killing hundreds of innocent human beings (irrespective of their religion or anything else).
1. That will lead (and is leading) to a wider and more deeply ingrained dislike of israel around the world.
2. Will and is leading to more attackes against israel from various sources.
3. Will solve nothing.
4. Demonstates israel's inflexibility to recognise why its neighbours are so against it - the fact that israel was created artificlially by forcibly evicting people from their homes and land - I think I'd be a bit aggrieved if someone did that to me, wouldn't you?
5. Israel's unshaking and mistaken belief that they are right, better than others and that they have a right to do what ever they like to follow their expansionist tendancies.
And all this from a people that were on the receiving end of similar treatment in the last century....
Will we never learn?!
The facts of the matter are that israel's response to the threat of rockets is wildly disproprtionate and is killing hundreds of innocent human beings (irrespective of their religion or anything else).
1. That will lead (and is leading) to a wider and more deeply ingrained dislike of israel around the world.
2. Will and is leading to more attackes against israel from various sources.
3. Will solve nothing.
4. Demonstates israel's inflexibility to recognise why its neighbours are so against it - the fact that israel was created artificlially by forcibly evicting people from their homes and land - I think I'd be a bit aggrieved if someone did that to me, wouldn't you?
5. Israel's unshaking and mistaken belief that they are right, better than others and that they have a right to do what ever they like to follow their expansionist tendancies.
And all this from a people that were on the receiving end of similar treatment in the last century....
Will we never learn?!
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
12:31pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To:DavidBurnley
Am I correct in concluding that your solution is for the State of Israel to cease to exist?
If so, then please clearly articulate your opinion
Am I correct in concluding that your solution is for the State of Israel to cease to exist?
If so, then please clearly articulate your opinion
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
12:39pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian, I suggest only that no state should take disproprtionate military action against another.
I don't believe the current military action israel is taking will solve anything and I do have reservations about their reasons given the relatively small numbers of casulaties seen on the israeli side.
I beleive a more sensible option would be for israel to look at the reasons why others are against them, recognise the legitimate basis of those reasons and open a dialogue with others in the reason to find a solution that all can live with or tolerate.
How quickly the calls from Iran and other places to destroy israel would lose popular support if israel was seen to be a conciliatory, caring and peaceful neighbour instead of the aggressive, overreactionary and expansionist nation that they portray themselves to be at the moment.
I don't believe the current military action israel is taking will solve anything and I do have reservations about their reasons given the relatively small numbers of casulaties seen on the israeli side.
I beleive a more sensible option would be for israel to look at the reasons why others are against them, recognise the legitimate basis of those reasons and open a dialogue with others in the reason to find a solution that all can live with or tolerate.
How quickly the calls from Iran and other places to destroy israel would lose popular support if israel was seen to be a conciliatory, caring and peaceful neighbour instead of the aggressive, overreactionary and expansionist nation that they portray themselves to be at the moment.
myad51, Blackburn says...
12:44pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I will exercising my right to take part in the march.
Everyone has the right to protest no matter what religion or colour and the march organisers can invite who they like. Who are you to deny this right?
People who are against the march stay at home.
Some people are saying what has comflict in Gaza to do with Blackburn.
I ask what has Britain and US got to do with Iraq and Afghanistan?
we all have the right to defend ourself but not the right to occupy other countries for years and years. Occupation is always resisted no matter where it takes place.
As for someone saying Blackburn is not a nice place. I say go somewhere else.
Muslims are part of Blackburn life whether you like it or not.
Everyone has the right to protest no matter what religion or colour and the march organisers can invite who they like. Who are you to deny this right?
People who are against the march stay at home.
Some people are saying what has comflict in Gaza to do with Blackburn.
I ask what has Britain and US got to do with Iraq and Afghanistan?
we all have the right to defend ourself but not the right to occupy other countries for years and years. Occupation is always resisted no matter where it takes place.
As for someone saying Blackburn is not a nice place. I say go somewhere else.
Muslims are part of Blackburn life whether you like it or not.
Haz, says...
12:47pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I have just had an argument with a work mate...anyone want to come to my march that im going to organise and support me because like all the idiots attending the ("Yvonne Show") march on sunday I HAVE NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO
hoodle, humberside says...
12:53pm Fri 9 Jan 09
It seems that free speech, which makes Britain great, is available for all foreign causes but if a nationalist group wants to exercise its rights then it's a non-starter. What do you think Yvonne
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
12:55pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To DavidBurnley,
Are you aware that Hamas regard all of Israel (not just post 67) as occupied territory?
Are you aware that Hamas calls for the murder of jews worldwide?
I appreciate that some people regard both as acceptable and believe that once these objectives have been achieved, there will be peace in the world
Which of these two of Hamas's objectives do you consider acceptable?
Are you aware that Hamas regard all of Israel (not just post 67) as occupied territory?
Are you aware that Hamas calls for the murder of jews worldwide?
I appreciate that some people regard both as acceptable and believe that once these objectives have been achieved, there will be peace in the world
Which of these two of Hamas's objectives do you consider acceptable?
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
12:55pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Hoodle - I'd go further. If a Scottish or Welsh nationalist group wants to exercise their right to free speech they are applauded. Different story if it's a English nationlist group though!
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
1:00pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian, I don't know which political slant your newspaper has but there are others that say different things about hamas.
Just to be clear - I have no political or ideological affinity with hamas, muslims, jews or any other group involved in this conflict.
I speak simply from the point of view that there are reasons why israel finds itself disliked and they fail to see or address those reasons.
that said, I can empathise with the view that all israeli territory is in fact occupied land - technically and factually it is. That is the root cause of the continuous conflict in the region and israel needs to address that fact if anything is to be improved for everyone in the region.
Just to be clear - I have no political or ideological affinity with hamas, muslims, jews or any other group involved in this conflict.
I speak simply from the point of view that there are reasons why israel finds itself disliked and they fail to see or address those reasons.
that said, I can empathise with the view that all israeli territory is in fact occupied land - technically and factually it is. That is the root cause of the continuous conflict in the region and israel needs to address that fact if anything is to be improved for everyone in the region.
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
1:10pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To DavidBurnley,
If it is occupied land then here is a very easy question for you:
Please name the following facts relating to the land within the pre 67 borders of israel for the period 1800 to 1948
national currency?
political parties?
ruler/prime minister?
names of foreign embassies located there?
capital city?
If it is occupied land then here is a very easy question for you:
Please name the following facts relating to the land within the pre 67 borders of israel for the period 1800 to 1948
national currency?
political parties?
ruler/prime minister?
names of foreign embassies located there?
capital city?
amarsden, Padiham says...
1:14pm Fri 9 Jan 09
was that picture of women and children REALLY taken in Gaza??
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
1:18pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian - don't be silly. As you well know, there were many. Occupation doesn't respect the borders of any previous countries. take a look at a map of Europe before 1939, one in 1943 and one from today. The nature of occupation does not swallow up former countries in the way you suggest.
What does matter is that there were human beings living in the areas that now form israel before israel existed. Those people, whose families could have occupied that land for centuries were forcibly evicted and removed. Is that right? Does that not explain why some people feel the way they do about israel?
What does matter is that there were human beings living in the areas that now form israel before israel existed. Those people, whose families could have occupied that land for centuries were forcibly evicted and removed. Is that right? Does that not explain why some people feel the way they do about israel?
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
1:26pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To:DavidBurnley
Actually David you are wrong about them being forcibly evicted !
c 1948
point 1 - many were jews who had lived there for hundreds of years
point 2 - the mulla of jerusalem called for all muslim civilians to leave the area until all the jews had been killed and the area was judenfrei
point 3
it was the surrounding arab countries that forcibly evicted the jews living there
You still havn't answered my original questions to you - why not?
Actually David you are wrong about them being forcibly evicted !
c 1948
point 1 - many were jews who had lived there for hundreds of years
point 2 - the mulla of jerusalem called for all muslim civilians to leave the area until all the jews had been killed and the area was judenfrei
point 3
it was the surrounding arab countries that forcibly evicted the jews living there
You still havn't answered my original questions to you - why not?
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
1:45pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I wasn't aware that mulla's in arab lands spoke German?!
I've answered every question you have posed.
It depends what national suffix the site your google search leads you to as to which version of historical events is presented as the de facto version.
To be honest, I could not care less whether israel exists or it doesn't. It doesn't affect me personally what the history of the region is or what the basis of the hatred on both sides is.
The point is that the military action being taken by a richer country agaisnt a poorer one will solve nothing. It will only lead to further entrenchment of the views people already hold and will cause untold problems in the future.
Israel is the aggressor in this instance and their attempts to cloak this in the sanctity of 'retaliation' bears no resemblance to the sheer force they are using against innocent human beings - that is the crime being committed here, in my opinion.
I've answered every question you have posed.
It depends what national suffix the site your google search leads you to as to which version of historical events is presented as the de facto version.
To be honest, I could not care less whether israel exists or it doesn't. It doesn't affect me personally what the history of the region is or what the basis of the hatred on both sides is.
The point is that the military action being taken by a richer country agaisnt a poorer one will solve nothing. It will only lead to further entrenchment of the views people already hold and will cause untold problems in the future.
Israel is the aggressor in this instance and their attempts to cloak this in the sanctity of 'retaliation' bears no resemblance to the sheer force they are using against innocent human beings - that is the crime being committed here, in my opinion.
easymonies, Disneyland says...
1:58pm Fri 9 Jan 09
myad51, Blackburn says...
12:44pm Fri 9 Jan 09
'People who are against the march stay at home.
Some people are saying what has comflict in Gaza to do with Blackburn.
I ask what has Britain and US got to do with Iraq and Afghanistan?
we all have the right to defend ourself but not the right to occupy other countries for years and years. Occupation is always resisted no matter where it takes place.'
I read your comments with interest. As the way I am starting to see things there are elements who are occupying the UK which if truth be told perhaps should go the land to their fathers.
And what has the conflict got to do with Blackburn? Nothing.
12:44pm Fri 9 Jan 09
'People who are against the march stay at home.
Some people are saying what has comflict in Gaza to do with Blackburn.
I ask what has Britain and US got to do with Iraq and Afghanistan?
we all have the right to defend ourself but not the right to occupy other countries for years and years. Occupation is always resisted no matter where it takes place.'
I read your comments with interest. As the way I am starting to see things there are elements who are occupying the UK which if truth be told perhaps should go the land to their fathers.
And what has the conflict got to do with Blackburn? Nothing.
Riverside Ant, Lower Darwen says...
1:59pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian Martin wrote:Very true Brian but when their rockets land in Israel and kill Jewish civilians then the likes of Booth & Ridley will say or do 'diddly-squat'.
To Sofia: Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated civilian areas If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas Problem solved I invite you to find fault with this argument
Civilians being killed in any war on either side is surely equally unacceptable? Or did I miss summat?
Take your protests to somewhere more relevant, I doubt the 'Powers that be' in Israel with notice a few dozen of you in Corporation Park!
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
2:01pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To:DavidBurnley,
The mullas spoke one word of german - judenfrei - it means free of jews.
They were big fans of hitler - are you?
Please don't be sarcastic - it merely shows your ignrorance of history
You have still not answered my questions, so please do not claim to have done so
I have reiterated them below
Are you aware that Hamas regard all of Israel (not just post 67) as occupied territory?
Are you aware that Hamas calls for the murder of jews worldwide?
I appreciate that some people regard both as acceptable and believe that once these objectives have been achieved, there will be peace in the world
Which of these two of Hamas's objectives do you consider acceptable?
The mullas spoke one word of german - judenfrei - it means free of jews.
They were big fans of hitler - are you?
Please don't be sarcastic - it merely shows your ignrorance of history
You have still not answered my questions, so please do not claim to have done so
I have reiterated them below
Are you aware that Hamas regard all of Israel (not just post 67) as occupied territory?
Are you aware that Hamas calls for the murder of jews worldwide?
I appreciate that some people regard both as acceptable and believe that once these objectives have been achieved, there will be peace in the world
Which of these two of Hamas's objectives do you consider acceptable?
The offspring, Blackburn says...
2:05pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Would it be possible to include an anti Mugabi theme in this human rights march?
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
2:10pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian, I need no explanation of the German term thanks - my German is fluent.
I have used no sarcasm, just fact.
I have answered all of your questions - I'm sorry if my answers are not the ones you would prefer I gave.
To reiterate - I have no interest in the aims and aspirations of hamas or any other politcal group in the region. I neither disagree, nor agree with them - I am simply uninterested.
I am just sad that human beings are being killed by the score by a country that prefer to use disproportionate force against, in the main, un armed civillians.
I hope I have set that out clearly enough now for you Brian.
I have used no sarcasm, just fact.
I have answered all of your questions - I'm sorry if my answers are not the ones you would prefer I gave.
To reiterate - I have no interest in the aims and aspirations of hamas or any other politcal group in the region. I neither disagree, nor agree with them - I am simply uninterested.
I am just sad that human beings are being killed by the score by a country that prefer to use disproportionate force against, in the main, un armed civillians.
I hope I have set that out clearly enough now for you Brian.
Grizzly, Darwen says...
2:11pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Whilst i do not agree with what israel are doing, there is no way i would go to a rally where such a bigot as Yvonne Ridley is speaking.
She will do more harm for the local community than what her rally could do for the people of Gaza.
Do not attend, if you have issues with what is currently happening, voice them another way. She is using this for her own perpetual hate mongering desire which is down right disgusting.
She will do more harm for the local community than what her rally could do for the people of Gaza.
Do not attend, if you have issues with what is currently happening, voice them another way. She is using this for her own perpetual hate mongering desire which is down right disgusting.
matureoak, blackburn says...
2:13pm Fri 9 Jan 09
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAMAS HERE!! We are talking about the mass slaughter and genocide of innocent civilians - mostly whom are women and children. This has NOTHING to do with religion or Hamas or anything else.
I am going to Corporation Park to show solidarity to the Palestinian people. All you racist bigots can stay. You are not human.
I am going to Corporation Park to show solidarity to the Palestinian people. All you racist bigots can stay. You are not human.
Ovais789, Blackburn says...
2:15pm Fri 9 Jan 09
MrReasonable. Israel was a muslim country before the jews took over. You go to Jerusalem and you will be suprised at the number of muslims living in that country
Yvonne, I look forward to seeing you on Sunday.
If this was the other way around, i'm sure all you idiots would be the first to organise a march!!!!
The fact is a muslim country is being attacked, and you guys couldn't give a s***
Yvonne, I look forward to seeing you on Sunday.
If this was the other way around, i'm sure all you idiots would be the first to organise a march!!!!
The fact is a muslim country is being attacked, and you guys couldn't give a s***
mubs123, Blackburn says...
2:19pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Sister Yvonne
Please do come to our town and educate these people who seem to know everything by what the media say and let the TRUTH fall. Yes the truth. 10 Isrealis die and 650 palestinians are killed wheres the justice in that.
This is an illegal war which has been back by half the world including the united nation.
We need you to educate people regarding the sufferings that palestinians are going through.
People are always pointing their fingers at the palestinians why beacuse they MUSLIMS. enough said.
Please do come to our town and educate these people who seem to know everything by what the media say and let the TRUTH fall. Yes the truth. 10 Isrealis die and 650 palestinians are killed wheres the justice in that.
This is an illegal war which has been back by half the world including the united nation.
We need you to educate people regarding the sufferings that palestinians are going through.
People are always pointing their fingers at the palestinians why beacuse they MUSLIMS. enough said.
matureoak, blackburn says...
2:20pm Fri 9 Jan 09
A few of the innocents: "In one of the most appalling incidents, the International Red Cross in Geneva reported that on Wednesday its aid workers discovered four starving children lying next to their dead mothers in a house in the Zaytuon neighborhood south of Gaza City. The Red Cross had been trying since Saturday to send ambulances into the area, but only received permission from the Israeli military on Wednesday. The delay was a death sentence for many wounded civilians in the area.
Medical crews from the Red Cross and the Palestinian Red Crescent reported finding 12 corpses lying on mattresses in the house together with the children and their murdered mothers. The children were so weak from hunger that they were unable to stand. The medical teams were compelled to evacuate surviving wounded on donkey carts because the Israeli military would not allow ambulances into the area. The Israeli troops threatened to fire on the ambulance teams if they did not leave, but the medical workers refused to stop their work until they were actually shot at.
The Red Cross issued a rare denunciation of Israeli actions, calling them unacceptable and charging the Israeli government with having “failed to meet its obligation under international humanitarian law to care for and evacuate the wounded.” In other words, it accused the Israeli regime of having carried out a war crime. “This is a shocking incident,” said Pierre Wettach, the Red Cross’s head of delegation for Israel and the Palestinian territories. “The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded.”
The Geneva Conventions specify that warring parties must ensure “all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick” and stipulates that the wounded “shall not willfully be left without medical assistance and care.”
Medical crews from the Red Cross and the Palestinian Red Crescent reported finding 12 corpses lying on mattresses in the house together with the children and their murdered mothers. The children were so weak from hunger that they were unable to stand. The medical teams were compelled to evacuate surviving wounded on donkey carts because the Israeli military would not allow ambulances into the area. The Israeli troops threatened to fire on the ambulance teams if they did not leave, but the medical workers refused to stop their work until they were actually shot at.
The Red Cross issued a rare denunciation of Israeli actions, calling them unacceptable and charging the Israeli government with having “failed to meet its obligation under international humanitarian law to care for and evacuate the wounded.” In other words, it accused the Israeli regime of having carried out a war crime. “This is a shocking incident,” said Pierre Wettach, the Red Cross’s head of delegation for Israel and the Palestinian territories. “The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded.”
The Geneva Conventions specify that warring parties must ensure “all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick” and stipulates that the wounded “shall not willfully be left without medical assistance and care.”
matureoak, blackburn says...
2:25pm Fri 9 Jan 09
ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST REGIME. FULL STOP. JUST BECAUSE THEY CONTROL THE MEDIA CANNOT CHANGE THE FACTS.
NevaStop, Blackburn says...
3:06pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I support any march to help people like me who feel the genocide that Israel is carrying is wrong and how the UN and stand and watch only because america don't back any ceasefire if they do Israel would stop(ask yourself why). but people on here dnt want this and they just live in ignorance.
Yvonne Ridley we welocme you to our town.It helps to see people feel the pain as i do and my friend do just from watching the news and listening to all the international laws being broken without a peep from the international community.(so imagine people in GAZA i just cudnt imagine it and hope god helps them). there is no point discussing with some people on here they comment on only ethnic issues and not on ordinary issues its not there style i been watching cooments for a year now and thats all i see just suprised Frank is not saying anything!
PEACE
Yvonne Ridley we welocme you to our town.It helps to see people feel the pain as i do and my friend do just from watching the news and listening to all the international laws being broken without a peep from the international community.(so imagine people in GAZA i just cudnt imagine it and hope god helps them). there is no point discussing with some people on here they comment on only ethnic issues and not on ordinary issues its not there style i been watching cooments for a year now and thats all i see just suprised Frank is not saying anything!
PEACE
gadjet_man, Blackburn says...
3:11pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Not sure why people have to Bring GOD into this ... This war is about land, occupation, oppression and the randomn unhindered and consented (by the silence ARABS/USA/UK) mutilation of HUMANS.
For the record the march is in Blackburn cos we were born bred educated and have paid our way in this Town, It is a vibrant brilliant place to live in and I for one appreciate it, The LCM have said they are paying for the March so the TAX payer (that inc's me, my freinds + Family) need not worry.
Regarding the quotes about the war in the far away place ... say that to your parents who I'm sure will have appreciated the help of the Yanks (some of who were stationed in the Witton Park Fields during the second world war)whilst Hitler's mob was on the verge of saying Guten Morgen at Dover !!
Get real folks this is about people innocent people Jews/Muslims/Christi
ans whoever innocent is innocent ... they need our help in whatever way we can give it... I feel this Rally will make some noise somewhere whilst it matters... Sure in a fortnight all this will be forgotten ... But Right now it matters we need an IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE... from both sides
For the record the march is in Blackburn cos we were born bred educated and have paid our way in this Town, It is a vibrant brilliant place to live in and I for one appreciate it, The LCM have said they are paying for the March so the TAX payer (that inc's me, my freinds + Family) need not worry.
Regarding the quotes about the war in the far away place ... say that to your parents who I'm sure will have appreciated the help of the Yanks (some of who were stationed in the Witton Park Fields during the second world war)whilst Hitler's mob was on the verge of saying Guten Morgen at Dover !!
Get real folks this is about people innocent people Jews/Muslims/Christi
ans whoever innocent is innocent ... they need our help in whatever way we can give it... I feel this Rally will make some noise somewhere whilst it matters... Sure in a fortnight all this will be forgotten ... But Right now it matters we need an IMMEDIATE CEASEFIRE... from both sides
DannyP87, Blackburn says...
3:12pm Fri 9 Jan 09
mubs123 wrote:Mubs - I'm not a racist person as I work with Muslims and have a few friends who are muslims but let me tell you one thing. Muslims only have themselves to blame, fair enough a minority but as the second biggest religion in the world that minority is a hell of a lot people.
Sister Yvonne
Please do come to our town and educate these people who seem to know everything by what the media say and let the TRUTH fall. Yes the truth. 10 Isrealis die and 650 palestinians are killed wheres the justice in that.
This is an illegal war which has been back by half the world including the united nation.
We need you to educate people regarding the sufferings that palestinians are going through.
People are always pointing their fingers at the palestinians why beacuse they MUSLIMS. enough said.
The most cowardly way of killing someone, by suicide. Muslims are doing it all over the world, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, India, Israel, Indonesia, UK, USA with probably more countries.
People of all religions are to be honest sick of hearing about predujice against Muslims, we just want to live a life in peace but we can't even in our own town by a stupid get together by 3 no ones and a MP who all want to have the limelight.
It's bloody stupid.
gadjet_man, Blackburn says...
3:23pm Fri 9 Jan 09
DannyP87 Appreciate your concern ... but have you asked your self how can so many people become so perverted to kill themselves, ? especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical ??
Ever heard of Cause and Effect ? is this perverted ? or is it desperation ?
Ever heard of Cause and Effect ? is this perverted ? or is it desperation ?
DannyP87, Blackburn says...
3:28pm Fri 9 Jan 09
gadjet_man wrote:What was the reason for 4 British Muslim men to blow up 3 trains and one bus full of innocent British people?
DannyP87 Appreciate your concern ... but have you asked your self how can so many people become so perverted to kill themselves, ? especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical ??
Ever heard of Cause and Effect ? is this perverted ? or is it desperation ?
Becasue of Iraq? The Governments decision to go there so blow up British people? That's neither perverted nor desperation it's plain stupid insanity
myad51, Blackburn says...
3:28pm Fri 9 Jan 09
easymoney
I take it elements you are refering to muslims.If you think these element have taken over the country then you need your head examined. There is no cure for your delusuion
I take it elements you are refering to muslims.If you think these element have taken over the country then you need your head examined. There is no cure for your delusuion
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
3:31pm Fri 9 Jan 09
To: gadjet_man,
You state that "many people become so perverted to kill themselves
especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical"
I invite the muslim leaders in our community to condemn such actions as suicide bombers as being a perversion of islam and to brand Hamas as not representing true mulims by its actions and word
Yvonne - you are a muslim so please begin that process
You state that "many people become so perverted to kill themselves
especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical"
I invite the muslim leaders in our community to condemn such actions as suicide bombers as being a perversion of islam and to brand Hamas as not representing true mulims by its actions and word
Yvonne - you are a muslim so please begin that process
mick b, Accrington says...
3:39pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Dear Yvonne,
It is one thing to tolerate a ****, stone-age idolatory, which in it's more enlightened moments insists that dressing women from top to toe in sacks is de riguer. It is quite another thing entirely for this politically inspired version of Mahommedanism to be institutionalised within the civic amenities of a once proud county.
The march of cultural appeasement is proceeding apace and has now it appears to have reached endemic proportions within East Lancashire.
You cannot expect people to smile indulgently and pretend that this is evidence of 'tolerance' and 'diversity', no matter how superior or enlightened that this makes you feel. Is it tolerance to tolerate the intolerant strictures of a virulently reactionary and absolutist philosophical doctrine? If that's your idea of equality go re-read Mohammed's hadiths Yvonne.
Naturally I wouldn't expect my views to go down too well with our local Imams, should they be able to read English of course. Let's however look at the strictures of what Hamas is effectively endorsing: sermons of hate against women, homosexuals, Moslem converts to other faiths, adulterers, anti- Semitic and misogynistic messages of hate against other faiths.
A society that kowtows to a backward looking minority constituency does far more damaging to the social cohesion of the community, which it is supposed to represent. Lauren Booth's self-flagellating liberal pieties notwithstanding, the advocates of accomodation presumably do not live within earshot of Whalley Range nor Audley and therfore do not have to suffer the alien wails of the Muezzin at close proximity.
The glue that holds Judeo-Christian all together is weakened by this craven pandering to a disinterested and even hostile presence. What really causes barriers and divisions is the latitude afforded to the disciples of an intolerant creed, and the continual placating of minorities — no matter how abhorrent their religious views are to the rest of us.
I'm not against Muslims per se, but in respect of Islam; where shall I start? Islam wishes to conquer the world, it is illiberal, arrogant and authoritarian and hell bent on destroying the rest of us. The ideology promotes hatred and division.
Blackburn was chosen for this demonstration, if truth be told, because of a large population of Moslems, whose antecedents hail from one of the most economically failed, culturally primitive and barbaric places on earth. This caucus is becoming ever more conservative in its values and ever more strident in its demands. In other words just the type of constituency prone to the sort of manipulation and rabble rousing from a self-indulgent and cynical publicity seeker like you.
If you feel so strongly about the decadent West and its corrupt policies, there are scores of Islamic countries to where you could decamp. I'm sure once there you could hawk your conscience and newly adorned faith to whomever is willing to put up with you.
Blackburn certainly doesn't need you.
It is one thing to tolerate a ****, stone-age idolatory, which in it's more enlightened moments insists that dressing women from top to toe in sacks is de riguer. It is quite another thing entirely for this politically inspired version of Mahommedanism to be institutionalised within the civic amenities of a once proud county.
The march of cultural appeasement is proceeding apace and has now it appears to have reached endemic proportions within East Lancashire.
You cannot expect people to smile indulgently and pretend that this is evidence of 'tolerance' and 'diversity', no matter how superior or enlightened that this makes you feel. Is it tolerance to tolerate the intolerant strictures of a virulently reactionary and absolutist philosophical doctrine? If that's your idea of equality go re-read Mohammed's hadiths Yvonne.
Naturally I wouldn't expect my views to go down too well with our local Imams, should they be able to read English of course. Let's however look at the strictures of what Hamas is effectively endorsing: sermons of hate against women, homosexuals, Moslem converts to other faiths, adulterers, anti- Semitic and misogynistic messages of hate against other faiths.
A society that kowtows to a backward looking minority constituency does far more damaging to the social cohesion of the community, which it is supposed to represent. Lauren Booth's self-flagellating liberal pieties notwithstanding, the advocates of accomodation presumably do not live within earshot of Whalley Range nor Audley and therfore do not have to suffer the alien wails of the Muezzin at close proximity.
The glue that holds Judeo-Christian all together is weakened by this craven pandering to a disinterested and even hostile presence. What really causes barriers and divisions is the latitude afforded to the disciples of an intolerant creed, and the continual placating of minorities — no matter how abhorrent their religious views are to the rest of us.
I'm not against Muslims per se, but in respect of Islam; where shall I start? Islam wishes to conquer the world, it is illiberal, arrogant and authoritarian and hell bent on destroying the rest of us. The ideology promotes hatred and division.
Blackburn was chosen for this demonstration, if truth be told, because of a large population of Moslems, whose antecedents hail from one of the most economically failed, culturally primitive and barbaric places on earth. This caucus is becoming ever more conservative in its values and ever more strident in its demands. In other words just the type of constituency prone to the sort of manipulation and rabble rousing from a self-indulgent and cynical publicity seeker like you.
If you feel so strongly about the decadent West and its corrupt policies, there are scores of Islamic countries to where you could decamp. I'm sure once there you could hawk your conscience and newly adorned faith to whomever is willing to put up with you.
Blackburn certainly doesn't need you.
myad51, Blackburn says...
3:39pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Follow the link below and find out what a JEWISH professor thinks of this conflict.
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/world/2009/jan
/07/gaza-israel-pale
stine
Surely he is not biased against Israel he is telling it how it is.
That takes some guts.
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/world/2009/jan
/07/gaza-israel-pale
stine
Surely he is not biased against Israel he is telling it how it is.
That takes some guts.
mubs123, Blackburn says...
3:39pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian Martin wrote:Brian Martin
To: gadjet_man, You state that "many people become so perverted to kill themselves especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical" I invite the muslim leaders in our community to condemn such actions as suicide bombers as being a perversion of islam and to brand Hamas as not representing true mulims by its actions and word Yvonne - you are a muslim so please begin that process
dont know which news you have been reading but all the community leaders have come out against suicide bombing which has been condemmed
andy1, burnley says...
3:40pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Whos right and whos wrong I do not know. I am all in favour of a Palastinian state. I do accept that there was no country called Israel until 1947 it was just a name in two books Bible and the Tora. All I know is that this senseless war which has been going on for Centuries needs to stop and needs to stop now. I srael has to comply with many a UN Resolution on her because I am sorry to say this we have invaded one Country called Iraq because the regime would not comply with the will of the International Community. These sides have all got to get around a table and talk. Both these religions Jews and Muslims belive in the so called same God but have different ideas. Thankfully Im Pagan and dont belive in one supreme being. Hamas was democraticaly elected thats a favourite word of the likes of Bush. What happens next when the Yanks dont like an elected Government they call them a terrorist organisation. Get the Peace talks going get it now and the Powers that be do not let the Representitives leave until a proper agreement is signed sealed and dusted. Who ever breaks the agreement if it happens whether it be Israel or the Palastinian Hamas movement not the PLO Fatah movement has Dukebar says should then be brought (The leaders) before the International Courts and charged has War Criminals simple. Both Hamas and Israel have blood on their hands. Two wrongs do not make a right. In regards to the Peace March Im not sure what it will achieve if any but it is up to individuals to decide to go or not to go. I know Muslim and Jewish people can get on and know quite a number from both communities.
DavidBurnley, Burnley says...
3:41pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian, you are trying to divert the point agin!
How many suicide bombers have there ever been? How many muslims have there ever been - work one out as a percentage as another.
In any group of people irrespective of their religion, politics, nationality or any other factor, you will always get a small minority of extremists.
I do not condone extremist behaviour be it suicide bombers or anything else, in fact I abhor it.
However, this is about the slaughter of innocent human beings by a military power using tanks and guns to crack a walnut.
Please stick to the point Brian or just come out and say that you don't care about the human life being lost.
And... for the record, I won't be attending the rally as I also view the organiser as an extremist whose views and opinions only serve to widen gaps between people, inflame feelings and cause hatred - as evidenced by the debate here above!
How many suicide bombers have there ever been? How many muslims have there ever been - work one out as a percentage as another.
In any group of people irrespective of their religion, politics, nationality or any other factor, you will always get a small minority of extremists.
I do not condone extremist behaviour be it suicide bombers or anything else, in fact I abhor it.
However, this is about the slaughter of innocent human beings by a military power using tanks and guns to crack a walnut.
Please stick to the point Brian or just come out and say that you don't care about the human life being lost.
And... for the record, I won't be attending the rally as I also view the organiser as an extremist whose views and opinions only serve to widen gaps between people, inflame feelings and cause hatred - as evidenced by the debate here above!
Akki, Accy says...
3:43pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian Martin can you tell me why the isreali's yesterday rounded up 110 men women and mainly children, placed them all in 1 house and then shelled it instantly killing at least 30 people and injuring the rest? and why they didnt let ambulances access to house afterwards?
and why you think we are not allowed to rotest about this ethnic cleansing?
can you also tell me why the zionist authorities are not allowing foreign journalists free entry into Gaza?
and why you think we are not allowed to rotest about this ethnic cleansing?
can you also tell me why the zionist authorities are not allowing foreign journalists free entry into Gaza?
mick b, Accrington says...
3:51pm Fri 9 Jan 09
The Palestinians in Gaza today are desperate because they are prisoners of their own delusions and their own self-imposed culture of victimization.
We all know that the issue for Hamas is not to end the occupation of Gaza - that ended a few years ago with unilateral withdrawal from the territory legitimately captured in the Six Day War.
No, Hamas does not want to end the occupation. Hamas wants to end Israel's existence.
We all know that the issue for Hamas is not to end the occupation of Gaza - that ended a few years ago with unilateral withdrawal from the territory legitimately captured in the Six Day War.
No, Hamas does not want to end the occupation. Hamas wants to end Israel's existence.
mick b, Accrington says...
3:58pm Fri 9 Jan 09
myad51 wrote:The Islamic fundamentalism that fuels Palestinian hatred of the State of Israel is based on the principle that Jews are inferior to Muslims because the infidels rejected Muhammad as the final prophet of God.
Follow the link below and find out what a JEWISH professor thinks of this conflict. http://www.guardian. co.uk/world/2009/jan /07/gaza-israel-pale stine Surely he is not biased against Israel he is telling it how it is. That takes some guts.
A thriving State of Israel reminds Hamas every day that its existence has been a reality for 60 years and will remain a reality for another 600.
The Palestinians do not want to return to the pre-1967 borders. Their demand and their actions indicate that their wish is to return to the 1867 borders - that is, a Middle East without Israel in a Muslim empire ruled by Shari'a.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:00pm Fri 9 Jan 09
myad51 wrote:Yeah. All Jews think the same way right?
Follow the link below and find out what a JEWISH professor thinks of this conflict. http://www.guardian. co.uk/world/2009/jan /07/gaza-israel-pale stine Surely he is not biased against Israel he is telling it how it is. That takes some guts.
gadjet_man, Blackburn says...
4:03pm Fri 9 Jan 09
DannyP87 wrote:I'll meet you half way, Yes mate it was plain stupidity and murderous they were brain washed into thinking they would achieve something, they nothing except further condemnation and abuse of Law abiding Muslims, but will you be man enough to come half way and accept that the driving factor was Desperation ??
gadjet_man wrote: DannyP87 Appreciate your concern ... but have you asked your self how can so many people become so perverted to kill themselves, ? especicially when thier religion strictly denounces any sort of self harm or harm to others wether spoken or physical ?? Ever heard of Cause and Effect ? is this perverted ? or is it desperation ?What was the reason for 4 British Muslim men to blow up 3 trains and one bus full of innocent British people? Becasue of Iraq? The Governments decision to go there so blow up British people? That's neither perverted nor desperation it's plain stupid insanity
Brian Martin...
How many leaders of the community have you spoken to or bothered to seek the opinion of ?? none I'm sure... Because if you did you would know they all condemn such acts, go to any leader of the community and seek their opinion ... get your facts in person, you will be surprised how caring concerened Muslims are.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:04pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Akki wrote:The Palestinian leadership has never made it a secret that it wants the land "between the river and the sea" - that is, the Jewish state itself. On January 11, 2001, Sheikh Ikrima Sabri, the mufti of Jerusalem and Palestine appointed by the Palestinian Authority, stated on Palestinian television that when his followers speak about Jerusalem, it does not mean they "have forgotten about Hebron or about Jaffa or about Acre... We have announced a number of times that from a religious point of view Palestine from the sea to the river is Islamic."
judge dread when you say 'what normal right minded .....would want to join Islam' let me tell you official facts show more people are reverting to Islam then anything else, even Vicars and Rabbi's, no-one would join such a negatively portrayed religion without heavy reaserach, why dont you key in Abdul Raheem Green or Yusuf Estas into wikipedia or your beloved youtube. When you say muslims dont condemn 7/7 there were plenty of muslims condemning it, if you didnt see it then you must have been watching the wrong news channels. Yet i fail to see you condemn the isreali massacres on Gaza. Yvonne i wouldnt bother with some of these lot some people are born to hate.
Did he speak for all Palestinians? Do all Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank dream of a Middle East without a State of Israel? We know that the Palestinian religious and political leadership - and Hizbullah and the president of Iran - envision a day when "the Zionist entity" will magically disappear.
That's what tomorrows demonstration is really about!
mick b, Accrington says...
4:11pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Rovers Girl wrote:Hamas's leaders must be blind. They do not have the eyes to see that the sustained bombing of southern Israel has only produced human misery for Jews and for themselves.
I'm gonna be going to the march, and i'm gonna march for my brothers and sisters out there in Gaza! The Palestinians are being tortured and killed in their own homes all for what?? A PIECE OF LAND! I swear to God do the Israelis not have any feeling for humans? Babies, children, mothers, fathers killed day in out! 100's of Palestinians have killed and injured! I pray for them everyday! The Footage seen everyday on news brings a tear to my eye. Lets hope this march is an eye opener to people out there! FREE THE PALESTINE!! END THE OCCUPATION NOW!!
If innocent civilians die when Israel targets the terrorist infrastructure; who is to blame?
Israel left Gaza long ago.
This is now the Palestinians' territory.
Why in the world did Hamas fire rockets into Israel 3 years after it left?
Akki, Accy says...
4:12pm Fri 9 Jan 09
mick b, without waffling on, i can tell you Hamas has always backed the two state solution, that has never transpired to this day, all thats happening is illegal settlements are increasing day by day, while palestinian homes are being bulldozed. These are the facts.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:16pm Fri 9 Jan 09
DavidBurnley wrote:The hate of Israel that results from their understanding of Islam blinds Hamas terrorists to a reality that must trouble them, gnaw away at their confidence and overturn their sacred understanding of history's rights and wrongs.
Brian - don't be silly. As you well know, there were many. Occupation doesn't respect the borders of any previous countries. take a look at a map of Europe before 1939, one in 1943 and one from today. The nature of occupation does not swallow up former countries in the way you suggest. What does matter is that there were human beings living in the areas that now form israel before israel existed. Those people, whose families could have occupied that land for centuries were forcibly evicted and removed. Is that right? Does that not explain why some people feel the way they do about israel?
The followers of Hamas are driven by the delusion of erasing the shame of 1948, and they cannot move beyond that.
Useful idiots like you simply encourage their self-delusion.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:19pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Akki wrote:If Sderot were the only issue in the war in Gaza, it would be disturbing but not alarming.
mick b, without waffling on, i can tell you Hamas has always backed the two state solution, that has never transpired to this day, all thats happening is illegal settlements are increasing day by day, while palestinian homes are being bulldozed. These are the facts.
But the alarm must be sounded.
With Iran's pursuing the development of nuclear weapons, with Hizbullah dominating the government of Lebanon, with Hamas targeting larger cities in Israel's interior - this blindness to the reality of a thriving Israel poses a disaster to the world.
Israel's enemies delude themselves into thinking it is on its last legs and about to topple into the sea.
The war in Gaza has proven, Israel is ready to fight back and defend its sovereignty and its reality in history.
Akki, Accy says...
4:21pm Fri 9 Jan 09
mick b perhaps you dont watch the news until the last minute but let me fill you in - isreali left Gaza 3 or so years ago as you say, yet they continued all the while to carry out airstrikes killing hamas members and civilians throughout those 3 years, and they carried out major blockades at crossing not allowing foods in until the last minute, illegal under UN resolutions, this is why Hamas continued the resistence.
duke bar, burnley says...
4:25pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims .
I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts.
Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza.
Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks.
This would never ever happen in a muslim land.
It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim.
Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war.
Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing
Is this what the Koran teaches muslims..
I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanks
I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts.
Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza.
Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks.
This would never ever happen in a muslim land.
It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim.
Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war.
Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing
Is this what the Koran teaches muslims..
I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanks
molviuk, Preston says...
4:26pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Hi.
It’s fascinating to see how ignorant people really are about what happens in the World. This is shown clearly through people’s views on this forum.
You might want to ask how many Innocent Palestinians have been killed in this oppression, especially children? And on the other hand how many Israeli soldiers have died! Oh yeah! We can’t count them deaths can we, because they were in friendly fire! (Over 750 Palestinian ‘Citizens’ dead and a hand full of Israeli ‘Soldiers’).
Israel is a country with such a big arsenal of weapons (funded by the US) and supported by who, yes! You guessed it! Our British government! But the Palestinians have what? Just a few rockets! Just shows how unfair it is! If our government can spend money on supporting the TERRORIST GROUP CALED ISRAEL, then it can also spend money on policing a peaceful march for the stolen land of Palestine!
Leave you bias views at home and don’t believe everything you see on TV!
Try researching what really happened in the Middle East, then come back to the forum!
Sid
It’s fascinating to see how ignorant people really are about what happens in the World. This is shown clearly through people’s views on this forum.
You might want to ask how many Innocent Palestinians have been killed in this oppression, especially children? And on the other hand how many Israeli soldiers have died! Oh yeah! We can’t count them deaths can we, because they were in friendly fire! (Over 750 Palestinian ‘Citizens’ dead and a hand full of Israeli ‘Soldiers’).
Israel is a country with such a big arsenal of weapons (funded by the US) and supported by who, yes! You guessed it! Our British government! But the Palestinians have what? Just a few rockets! Just shows how unfair it is! If our government can spend money on supporting the TERRORIST GROUP CALED ISRAEL, then it can also spend money on policing a peaceful march for the stolen land of Palestine!
Leave you bias views at home and don’t believe everything you see on TV!
Try researching what really happened in the Middle East, then come back to the forum!
Sid
mick b, Accrington says...
4:27pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:Let the Palestinians have their culture of victim iconography.
Channel 4 reported yesterday... As a UN aid worker is killed in Gaza, the International Red Cross accuses Israel of breaching humanitarian law. Jonathan Rugman reports. Conditions for the residents of Gaza worsened still further this afternoon when a United Nations aid agency suspended its operations after one of its workers was killed. And in unusually strong terms the International Red Cross today criticised Israel after finding four emaciated children among a group of corpses in a house just metres from an Israeli military position.
People have had enough of aggrieved Moslems demonstrating over offensive books (UK), Danish cartoons, Durch film makers Iraq, Palestine.
Here's an idea for Lauren and Yvonne. What about organising a demonstration against the Islamic inspired hanging of homosexuals, the stoning of 'adulterous women', the death penalty for 'apostates'
...no thought not!
mick b, Accrington says...
4:34pm Fri 9 Jan 09
molviuk wrote:Why does the world weep for the people in Gaza? Has it forgotten how Gazans took to the streets after 9/11, dancing and cheering the deaths of thousands of Americans? Or the hundreds of times Gazans have celebrated with glee the deaths of Israelis, including children, in terrorist attacks?
Hi. It’s fascinating to see how ignorant people really are about what happens in the World. This is shown clearly through people’s views on this forum. You might want to ask how many Innocent Palestinians have been killed in this oppression, especially children? And on the other hand how many Israeli soldiers have died! Oh yeah! We can’t count them deaths can we, because they were in friendly fire! (Over 750 Palestinian ‘Citizens’ dead and a hand full of Israeli ‘Soldiers’). Israel is a country with such a big arsenal of weapons (funded by the US) and supported by who, yes! You guessed it! Our British government! But the Palestinians have what? Just a few rockets! Just shows how unfair it is! If our government can spend money on supporting the TERRORIST GROUP CALED ISRAEL, then it can also spend money on policing a peaceful march for the stolen land of Palestine! Leave you bias views at home and don’t believe everything you see on TV! Try researching what really happened in the Middle East, then come back to the forum! Sid
The people in Gaza feel no compassion when their rockets kill Israeli citizens. Instead it fills them with sickening pride. It's always sad when children are killed, but Gazans don't deserve the world's sympathy. They have brought this situation on themselves by supporting Hamas and filling their children with hate.
Perhaps it's time to rerun the footage of Gazans celebrating the deaths of others as a reminder of what Israel is up against. Ah, but that would defeat the world media's agenda to present Gazans as innocent, helpless victims and Israel as the evil aggressor.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:41pm Fri 9 Jan 09
amarsden wrote:The picture accompanying the article is of a family shielding themselves against a Kassam rocket attack in Ashqelon.
was that picture of women and children REALLY taken in Gaza??
That's in southern Israel!
More cutting edge journalism from the LET....
duke bar, burnley says...
4:47pm Fri 9 Jan 09
mick b wrote:Come on YVONNE lets hear what you have to say
sofia wrote: Channel 4 reported yesterday... As a UN aid worker is killed in Gaza, the International Red Cross accuses Israel of breaching humanitarian law. Jonathan Rugman reports. Conditions for the residents of Gaza worsened still further this afternoon when a United Nations aid agency suspended its operations after one of its workers was killed. And in unusually strong terms the International Red Cross today criticised Israel after finding four emaciated children among a group of corpses in a house just metres from an Israeli military position.Let the Palestinians have their culture of victim iconography. People have had enough of aggrieved Moslems demonstrating over offensive books (UK), Danish cartoons, Durch film makers Iraq, Palestine. Here's an idea for Lauren and Yvonne. What about organising a demonstration against the Islamic inspired hanging of homosexuals, the stoning of 'adulterous women', the death penalty for 'apostates' ...no thought not!
Answer Micks questions...
You wont get stoned to death if you do.
mick b, Accrington says...
4:52pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Ovais789 wrote:You're almost as selective in your interpretation as the reformed slapper, Yvonne.
MrReasonable. Israel was a muslim country before the jews took over. You go to Jerusalem and you will be suprised at the number of muslims living in that country Yvonne, I look forward to seeing you on Sunday. If this was the other way around, i'm sure all you idiots would be the first to organise a march!!!! The fact is a muslim country is being attacked, and you guys couldn't give a s***
"...King Antiochus, who had earlier helped and been helped by the Jews, now demanded that Simon 'return' to him areas the Hasmoneans had liberated from the Seleucids, including Jaffa, Acre, and the citadel in Jerusalem.
Simon replied: 'We have not taken foreign land or foreign property, but only the inheritance of our ancestors, unjustly seized for a time by our enemies. And when the opportunity arose we seized it and reclaimed our patrimony'" (1 Maccabees, 15)..."
Masada shall not fall again!
easymonies, Disneyland says...
5:30pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Do you support the Gaza protests in Blackburn and Nelson?
Yes: 67%
No: 33%
LT the poll link on this page needs to be updated. It's currently
50%-50%
Yes: 67%
No: 33%
LT the poll link on this page needs to be updated. It's currently
50%-50%
willybob, padiham says...
5:41pm Fri 9 Jan 09
why blackburn and nelson? i will tell you why. because both these towns are muslim towns thats why.
duke bar, burnley says...
5:42pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Strange how no Muslims can give me answers to my Questions above.
I think by saying nothing they have answered it.Its just what i expected to be honest.
mick b, Accrington says...
5:47pm Fri 9 Jan 09
You almost have to feel sorry for the Palestinians.
With 'friends' like these...
Ageing celebrity Annie Lennox (who's 'Greatest Hit Collection' is due to be released). George Galloway (is another series of Celebrity Big Brother coming up?). Lauren Booth (who's famous for being the sister of Tony Blair's wife).
Then there is the rogues gallery of the usual suspects Hugo Chavez , Muammar Gaddafi, Ken Livingstone.
And now we have Yvonne Ridley, who's somehow managed managed to make Stockholm Syndrome look like an attractive alternative to Islam.
So it's true; we can judge people by the company they keep!
With 'friends' like these...
Ageing celebrity Annie Lennox (who's 'Greatest Hit Collection' is due to be released). George Galloway (is another series of Celebrity Big Brother coming up?). Lauren Booth (who's famous for being the sister of Tony Blair's wife).
Then there is the rogues gallery of the usual suspects Hugo Chavez , Muammar Gaddafi, Ken Livingstone.
And now we have Yvonne Ridley, who's somehow managed managed to make Stockholm Syndrome look like an attractive alternative to Islam.
So it's true; we can judge people by the company they keep!
duke bar, burnley says...
5:59pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Just read that a friends of Israel march in Oslo came under attack from Muslim pro Palestinian demonstrators.They rioted and smashed up shops and threw petrol bombs at the Norwegian Police.Disgusting way to behave over 40 were arrested.
The Article also said there was a Pro Palestinian march last week that past off peacefully.Without any attacks from the Pro Israel groups
So this is what happens when we have 2 marches about this Gaza conflict..... The Pro Palestinians riot and the Pro Israeli group do nothing wrong.
This was the same city that Yasser arrafat was offered a peace deal but walked away from.
Hope the same does not happen in Blackburn tomorrow with the pro Palestinian group.
RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
6:08pm Fri 9 Jan 09
is this the same palestine that voted a terrorist government in??same hamas that fire rockets from schools???no wonder people have had upto back teath with some asians,they just love a protest in OUR country..what the hell as it do with us???you dislike it that much get over to gazza,,no wonder the B.N.P get so much support..its not all 1 way traffic,the iranians and hamas have been targeting the inocent jews for years...well done isreal keep going,at least till hamas have gone
andy1, burnley says...
6:12pm Fri 9 Jan 09
We hear extremist this extremist that from some of the morons who right on these pages because of their religion. Now not so long ago just over the water in Northern Ireland we had what we would now call Extremists who came from the Christian faith Catholics and Protestants both who beleive in the same God. Both sets of communities where led by what I would call men of hate by politicans like the Reverend Ian Paisley (UDF and other groups) a man of the cloth? and Gerry Adams a staunch Republican (Seinn Fein I.R.A and again other splinter groups). The point I am making is would the moronic minority minority be so quick to of condemned these two villans with blood on their hands. If the likes of the internet had been around every time there was an atocity and call these two extremists? I dont know how many innocent people from both sides died during these troubles and that conflict lasted centuries not years. At the end of the day both these two had to sit down and talk the talk. Now both Hamas that does represent a part of Palastinian land democraticaly elected and the State of Israel again democraticaly elected Government do the same has what happened in Northern Ireland and other parts of the world. All those saying the land is Israel do not know their history I suggest they do more reasearch on the subject. the likes of some comments on here are laughable. I can guarantee one thing when Oil goes up some of the morons who want this war to continue will be the first ones whinging. Fact Middle East crisis push up the price of oil = higher petrol prices for all.
RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
6:14pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley wrote:weirdo...i hope the B.N.P are there,wasting taxpayers cash..its nothing to do with us..what about the jews eh???theyve been bullied for years,im glad theyve retaliated so are most of britain...the hamas have been using kids as human sheilds you clown
To Barry and Brian, We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour. I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine. Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured. How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied? Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government. It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children. I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza. You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians. Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay. I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice. Yvonne Ridley London, UK
mick b, Accrington says...
6:21pm Fri 9 Jan 09
RAyzer wrote:Everything you wanted to know about Hamas but were afraid to ask:
Yvonne Ridley wrote: To Barry and Brian, We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour. I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine. Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured. How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied? Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government. It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children. I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza. You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians. Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay. I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice. Yvonne Ridley London, UKweirdo...i hope the B.N.P are there,wasting taxpayers cash..its nothing to do with us..what about the jews eh???theyve been bullied for years,im glad theyve retaliated so are most of britain...the hamas have been using kids as human sheilds you clown
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=eTGbP55HG
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RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
6:22pm Fri 9 Jan 09
matureoak wrote:what a clown...hamas have started this by firing the FIRST rocket!!!aimed at a town with kids in...isreal fired back at the launch site A SCHOOL...human sheild used by HAMAS..idiot..our own top general has stated that hamas are playing dirty games..this march will ruin race relations,muslims and simple students nead to re-think this...A.S.A.P
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT HAMAS HERE!! We are talking about the mass slaughter and genocide of innocent civilians - mostly whom are women and children. This has NOTHING to do with religion or Hamas or anything else. I am going to Corporation Park to show solidarity to the Palestinian people. All you racist bigots can stay. You are not human.
mick b, Accrington says...
6:23pm Fri 9 Jan 09
mick b wrote:Or go to google and type 'children of hamas you tube'.
RAyzer wrote:Everything you wanted to know about Hamas but were afraid to ask: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=eTGbP55HG i8Yvonne Ridley wrote: To Barry and Brian, We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour. I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine. Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured. How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied? Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government. It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children. I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza. You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians. Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay. I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice. Yvonne Ridley London, UKweirdo...i hope the B.N.P are there,wasting taxpayers cash..its nothing to do with us..what about the jews eh???theyve been bullied for years,im glad theyve retaliated so are most of britain...the hamas have been using kids as human sheilds you clown
mick b, Accrington says...
6:36pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Palestinian children are dying today not because of Israeli brutality, but because their own leaders have chosen to use their children as human shields, and their pain as a battering ram against Western sensibilities.
Such is life (or death) in Hamastan.
It is they, after all, who deliberately put their weapons caches in mosques, their rocket launchers in schoolyards, and their command centers in hospitals -- all with the explicit goal of maximizing the tragedy of an Israeli response.
If snake oil salesmen like Ridley and Salim Mulla have their way, we will one day see similar scenes being played out with demands for Sharia law in Blackburnistan and the Hizburnlah Resistance. Man.
Such is life (or death) in Hamastan.
It is they, after all, who deliberately put their weapons caches in mosques, their rocket launchers in schoolyards, and their command centers in hospitals -- all with the explicit goal of maximizing the tragedy of an Israeli response.
If snake oil salesmen like Ridley and Salim Mulla have their way, we will one day see similar scenes being played out with demands for Sharia law in Blackburnistan and the Hizburnlah Resistance. Man.
sofia, blackburn says...
6:39pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Brian Martin wrote:Brian Martin, this has nothing to do with my argument! All i reported was the way the Israeli army are treating the children of Gaza. Most of these things go unreported and i just wanted to give people the bigger picture!
To Sofia: Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated civilian areas If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas Problem solved I invite you to find fault with this argument
It was also reported an army vehicle had driven over 5 month old baby!
I think you need to understand the Israelis are not innocent in any of this
mick b, Accrington says...
6:40pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:For decades, the international community has actively assisted in building the terrorists' unique system of control -- over where Palestinians live and in what conditions, and over what they think -- by allowing terrorists to turn the refugee camps into the center of the Palestinian war machine. Instead of working to relieve the refugees' misery, the United Nations has dedicated an entire agency, UNRWA, to perpetuating it. For the rest of the world's refugees, the U.N. works tirelessly to improve their conditions, to relocate them, and to help them rebuild their lives as quickly as possible. With the Palestinians, the U.N. does exactly the opposite, granting refugee status to the great-grandchildren of people displaced in 1948, doing nothing to dismantle the camps, and acting as facilitators for the terrorists' goal of grinding an entire civilian population under their thumb. Nowhere on earth do terrorists get so much help from the Free World.
Brian Martin wrote: To Sofia: Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated civilian areas If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas Problem solved I invite you to find fault with this argumentBrian Martin, this has nothing to do with my argument! All i reported was the way the Israeli army are treating the children of Gaza. Most of these things go unreported and i just wanted to give people the bigger picture! It was also reported an army vehicle had driven over 5 month old baby! I think you need to understand the Israelis are not innocent in any of this
mick b, Accrington says...
6:43pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:Where were you and Yvonne when the Palestinian leaders were actively transforming their children's classrooms into indoctrination centres for martyrdom?
Brian Martin wrote: To Sofia: Please tell me why Hamas fire their rockets from heavily populated civilian areas If they fired them from one area such as an industrial estate near the egyptian border, then no Gazan children or other civilians would be killed when Israel fires back at Hamas Problem solved I invite you to find fault with this argumentBrian Martin, this has nothing to do with my argument! All i reported was the way the Israeli army are treating the children of Gaza. Most of these things go unreported and i just wanted to give people the bigger picture! It was also reported an army vehicle had driven over 5 month old baby! I think you need to understand the Israelis are not innocent in any of this
Silence...
holsten pils, burnley says...
7:02pm Fri 9 Jan 09
People in this country are sick of the moslems marching , the police have powers to stop this happening , why not in this situation ? answer because it is the moslems , if it were the BNP " a legitimate political party " it would be stopped i agree with others on here the march will serve no purpose at all and will lead to more racism between the indigenous British AND THE MOSLEMS WHO ARE GETTING FAR TO MUCH SAY IN OUR COUNTRY.
Other marches have ended in violence and i will bet there will be some moslem morons that burn our flag " yet again " thus causing a violent reaction, if they want to protest go to an islamic country and do it not ours.
Other marches have ended in violence and i will bet there will be some moslem morons that burn our flag " yet again " thus causing a violent reaction, if they want to protest go to an islamic country and do it not ours.
mick b, Accrington says...
7:26pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley wrote:Hamas won a democratic election.
To Barry and Brian, We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour. I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine. Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured. How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied? Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government. It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children. I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza. You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians. Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay. I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice. Yvonne Ridley London, UK
So did Hitler and Mussolini.
So what's your point - that democratically elected terrorists should be allowed to start wars?
As they have been elected so they are accountable.
I'd like to know at what cost should Hamas continue its 'resistance'?
1000 dead?
2000 dead?
The total destruction of Gaza?
When will they start to behave like a Government and not a 'resistance movement'?
sofia, blackburn says...
7:27pm Fri 9 Jan 09
holsten pils wrote:Im sure the BNP were protesting outside a police station when a list of the bnp members were published!! there was a protest in preston last sunday and there was no violence!!!! how do i know that?? i was there didnt witness ne thing violent!!! it was a peaceful protest!!
People in this country are sick of the moslems marching , the police have powers to stop this happening , why not in this situation ? answer because it is the moslems , if it were the BNP " a legitimate political party " it would be stopped i agree with others on here the march will serve no purpose at all and will lead to more racism between the indigenous British AND THE MOSLEMS WHO ARE GETTING FAR TO MUCH SAY IN OUR COUNTRY. Other marches have ended in violence and i will bet there will be some moslem morons that burn our flag " yet again " thus causing a violent reaction, if they want to protest go to an islamic country and do it not ours.
Sundays protest will also be peaceful!!
sophia_7, blackburn says...
7:35pm Fri 9 Jan 09
wow.i am am actually stunned by the comments people have left.
i am a muslim...yes people abuse our religion..i can undertsand why people have the wrong view but muslims DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT CONDONE TERRORISM OR SUPPORT IT IN ANY FORM.Muslims fight against terrrorism even more than other people becuase it is making thier religion look bad. Also not all terrorists are Muslim. Or have the british people forgotten this. And some people who have commented that we are taking over this country..need to remember that britian invited people form countries like india, pakistan to this country. Britian should have considered the effects before hand..a bit late now.
I will be going on this Protest.....that doesn't make me a terrorist. I just care about the people of palestine ..the children whoh get hurt.And yes isreal has the right to defend itself.
I dnt side with isreal or hamas...i side with the innocent people on BOTH sides that get hurt.
Look at us all moaning about a protest in our town.Those people have to live under the consanat threat of rockest,bullets..and death on a daily basis.
compared to that we are all pretty pathetic merely complainin about a protest.
Britian is a democratic state..in which people have the right to express themselves,through voting,protests etc.
Feel free to reply>>
i am a muslim...yes people abuse our religion..i can undertsand why people have the wrong view but muslims DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT CONDONE TERRORISM OR SUPPORT IT IN ANY FORM.Muslims fight against terrrorism even more than other people becuase it is making thier religion look bad. Also not all terrorists are Muslim. Or have the british people forgotten this. And some people who have commented that we are taking over this country..need to remember that britian invited people form countries like india, pakistan to this country. Britian should have considered the effects before hand..a bit late now.
I will be going on this Protest.....that doesn't make me a terrorist. I just care about the people of palestine ..the children whoh get hurt.And yes isreal has the right to defend itself.
I dnt side with isreal or hamas...i side with the innocent people on BOTH sides that get hurt.
Look at us all moaning about a protest in our town.Those people have to live under the consanat threat of rockest,bullets..and death on a daily basis.
compared to that we are all pretty pathetic merely complainin about a protest.
Britian is a democratic state..in which people have the right to express themselves,through voting,protests etc.
Feel free to reply>>
boycott, stockport says...
7:37pm Fri 9 Jan 09
These so called marches are muslim fronts with a few misguided sandal wearing liberal herbal tea brigaders to try and justify their eventual aim i.e. the removal of Israel from the Middle East map by whatever means.
Both religions are bad as each other in terms of spouting bot air. Both sides have committed appalling attrocities in modern times since 1945. If these marchers feel so strongly go and live over there on a one way ticket back to the dark ages..Please just dont feed me and the majority of ordinary folk all this religous bull.
Both religions are bad as each other in terms of spouting bot air. Both sides have committed appalling attrocities in modern times since 1945. If these marchers feel so strongly go and live over there on a one way ticket back to the dark ages..Please just dont feed me and the majority of ordinary folk all this religous bull.
mick b, Accrington says...
7:45pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sophia_7 wrote:Where were all your Muslim 'brothers and sisters' when China invaded Tibet, Russia annexed Georgia or when Arabs from northern Sudan massacred over 1 MILLION Christian blacks in Darfur?
wow.i am am actually stunned by the comments people have left. i am a muslim...yes people abuse our religion..i can undertsand why people have the wrong view but muslims DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT CONDONE TERRORISM OR SUPPORT IT IN ANY FORM.Muslims fight against terrrorism even more than other people becuase it is making thier religion look bad. Also not all terrorists are Muslim. Or have the british people forgotten this. And some people who have commented that we are taking over this country..need to remember that britian invited people form countries like india, pakistan to this country. Britian should have considered the effects before hand..a bit late now. I will be going on this Protest.....that doesn't make me a terrorist. I just care about the people of palestine ..the children whoh get hurt.And yes isreal has the right to defend itself. I dnt side with isreal or hamas...i side with the innocent people on BOTH sides that get hurt. Look at us all moaning about a protest in our town.Those people have to live under the consanat threat of rockest,bullets..and death on a daily basis. compared to that we are all pretty pathetic merely complainin about a protest. Britian is a democratic state..in which people have the right to express themselves,through voting,protests etc. Feel free to reply>>
I'll tell you where Sofia, they were demonstrating about Danish cartoons and Dutch film makers.
It's a pity Moslems don't care about your fellow man as much as you vent your antipathy toward Jews and non-believers.
Come the Revolution, Gt. Harwood says...
7:46pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Anti-March protesters don't bother posting on this subject. Somebody, either officially or unofficially from the LET is removing your posts.This forum is a bit pointless if it is one sided. I wonder how long ,this post remains on the forum?.
mick b, Accrington says...
8:02pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley wrote:Well Yvonne, if that paragon of balance and intellectual honesty the Guardian said Mr. Ahmedinijad didn't call for the destruction of the State of Israel, I guess it must be true.
To Simon, If Britain held your attitude then you'd probably be speaking German by now - you should read your history and then you would know that the whole notion of the Zionist State was born in Britain in a 20+ word statement by lord Balfour. brian Martin, you clearly have not read my article about propaganda and truth. You clearly did not listen to the UN today condemning the breaking of the three-hour ceasefire by Israel, not by Hamas. These are deemed serious contraventions of the Geneva Conventions and there is a call for the UN to launch an investigation into israel for these crimes. If you are going to do battle with me, arm yourself with knowledge, facts and truth - not propaganda and falsehoods. Karolgadge - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never called for israel's destruction - there was an excellent piece in The Guardian about this falsehood. I am prepared to have a battle of wits with you, but clearly you are not prepared. Slinging insults just exposes your own ignorance in these issues. Come along to the rally and at least become acquainted with the facts and then form your own opinions on the issues. kind regards Yvonne
I would however like to know why:
You are obsessed with Israel/Jewish/Zionis
t conspiracies?
See the Mossad's/Jew's hands behind everything?
Employ different standards for Jews than for Moslems?
Disproportionately condemn Israel? Use historical revisionism and deny Jewish basic rights?
And most of all why defend an arch anti-Semite and Holocaust denier like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?
You my dear display all the basic characteristics of the classic anti-Semite?
Save it. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably hates Jews.
You're not fooling anyone. Give up the act.
duke bar, burnley says...
8:13pm Fri 9 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:Still waiting......
Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims . I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts. Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza. Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks. This would never ever happen in a muslim land. It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim. Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war. Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing Is this what the Koran teaches muslims.. I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanks
Any muslims care to comment.........
Stop removing my post also please L.E.T.
I thought we lived in East lancashire not in the East of Saudi Arabia or Iran.Where they have no press freedom.
Akki, Accy says...
8:18pm Fri 9 Jan 09
******* GET ALL THE REAL NEWS AT PRESS TV - SKY CHANNEL 515. *******
duke bar, burnley says...
8:25pm Fri 9 Jan 09
andy1 wrote:Gerry Adams never once called for the total destruction of Protestant people or British people.
We hear extremist this extremist that from some of the morons who right on these pages because of their religion. Now not so long ago just over the water in Northern Ireland we had what we would now call Extremists who came from the Christian faith Catholics and Protestants both who beleive in the same God. Both sets of communities where led by what I would call men of hate by politicans like the Reverend Ian Paisley (UDF and other groups) a man of the cloth? and Gerry Adams a staunch Republican (Seinn Fein I.R.A and again other splinter groups). The point I am making is would the moronic minority minority be so quick to of condemned these two villans with blood on their hands. If the likes of the internet had been around every time there was an atocity and call these two extremists? I dont know how many innocent people from both sides died during these troubles and that conflict lasted centuries not years. At the end of the day both these two had to sit down and talk the talk. Now both Hamas that does represent a part of Palastinian land democraticaly elected and the State of Israel again democraticaly elected Government do the same has what happened in Northern Ireland and other parts of the world. All those saying the land is Israel do not know their history I suggest they do more reasearch on the subject. the likes of some comments on here are laughable. I can guarantee one thing when Oil goes up some of the morons who want this war to continue will be the first ones whinging. Fact Middle East crisis push up the price of oil = higher petrol prices for all.
Hamas has said it wants the total destruction of Israel and the jews.
Go and read some Irish History Andy stop making a fool of yourself comparing the two conflicts.
mick b, Accrington says...
8:30pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Yvonne Ridley wrote:"...Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement ...It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children "
To Barry and Brian, We are British and the British believe in a sense of fairplay, always have, always will. A crime is a crime, and barbarity has no faith, nationality, creed or colour. I do hope you will come along to the demonstration to at least try and understand the situation in Gaza or Palestine. Both Lauren Booth and myself have spent some time in Gaza and we have seen the brutality of the siege Palestinians and their loved ones have endured. How would you feel if you watched them being bombed, maimed and killed in front of you while your land is being destroyed and occupied? Hamas has a military wing but it is largely a political movement and was democratically elected by the people in Gaza who had been horribly let down by the previous, corrupt government. It does not target children, nor has it killed Israeli children - sadly, the same can not be said for the Israeli military which in the last 13 days has killed more than 200 children. I'm not sure from where either of you get your information, but I deal in simple facts and would like you to go to my website www.yvonneridley.org to look at my latest article and acquaint yourselves with the realities of what is really happening in Gaza. You will be pleased to know when I address this conference in Blackburn, I will make a special reference to both of you. Your comments have certainly reinforced my determination to come to Blackburn to talk about justice for the Palestinians. Blackburn has a great, vibrant community and one which sets a high priority for justice and fairplay. I do hope you come along ready to listen and prepared to act by giving a voice to people who no longer have a voice. Yvonne Ridley London, UK
'Fair play' to you Yvonne...
"...Nizar Rayan, 49, who ranked among Hamas' top five decision makers, was killed yesterday when a one-ton bomb razed his home in the northern town of Jebaliya.
Rayan, an influential preacher, had previously denied Israel's existence and was a known mentor of suicide bombers.
He even sent one of his sons on an October 2001 suicide mission that killed two Israeli settlers in Gaza.
He was respected in Gaza for donning combat fatigues and personally participating in clashes against Israeli forces.
He was one of the organisers behind the Battle of Gaza in 2007, in which 400 Palestinian Fatah party members were killed and dozens more tortured and maimed
Rayan was fundamentally against the state of Israel and had declared: 'There is nothing called Israel, neither in reality nor in the imagination.'
He was preaching in a local mosque on the day before he was killed and said: 'Our only language with the Jew is through the gun.'
matureoak, blackburn says...
8:41pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Take a look at the shrinking map of palastine then you'll see why there is so much unrest (google it). The palastines are slowly being wiped off the face of the planet by Israel and the UN seem powerless to stop them. Ask yourself why Israel commands so much power over the US and it seems the rest of the world. Israel has kiiled more of it's people in the last 2 weeks than any Hamas rocket and yet there are over 700 Palastinians dead, now I ask you, who is the terrorist?
matureoak, blackburn says...
8:44pm Fri 9 Jan 09
TO ALL YOU NUMPTIES OUT THERE THAT SUPPORTS THE KILLING IN GAZA AND BLINDLY BLAME HAMAS, LET ME PUT IT TO YOU IN SIMPLER LANGUAGE:
I am a british citizen living in England and politely objecting to Hamas' tactics. But I wonder what would I do if another people settled in britain and claimed it as their ancestral home. Myself and the other natives are left with Wales and Yorkshire, both of which are blockaded and deprived water and medicine.
I would like to think that I would fight back. And I wouldn't be a terrorist, I would be a freedom fighter. There is a difference.
I am a british citizen living in England and politely objecting to Hamas' tactics. But I wonder what would I do if another people settled in britain and claimed it as their ancestral home. Myself and the other natives are left with Wales and Yorkshire, both of which are blockaded and deprived water and medicine.
I would like to think that I would fight back. And I wouldn't be a terrorist, I would be a freedom fighter. There is a difference.
sofia, blackburn says...
8:44pm Fri 9 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:Duke Bar i have found u a website! dont know why i shouldnt give a sh!t what u think!!
duke bar wrote: Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims . I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts. Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza. Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks. This would never ever happen in a muslim land. It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim. Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war. Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing Is this what the Koran teaches muslims.. I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanksStill waiting...... Any muslims care to comment......... Stop removing my post also please L.E.T. I thought we lived in East lancashire not in the East of Saudi Arabia or Iran.Where they have no press freedom.
sofia, blackburn says...
8:52pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:http://www.america.g
duke bar wrote:Duke Bar i have found u a website! dont know why i shouldnt give a sh!t what u think!!duke bar wrote: Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims . I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts. Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza. Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks. This would never ever happen in a muslim land. It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim. Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war. Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing Is this what the Koran teaches muslims.. I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanksStill waiting...... Any muslims care to comment......... Stop removing my post also please L.E.T. I thought we lived in East lancashire not in the East of Saudi Arabia or Iran.Where they have no press freedom.
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matureoak, blackburn says...
9:02pm Fri 9 Jan 09
ISRAEL targets civilians - more than two thirds of the dead are women and children. So why allow Tzipi Livni to say: “Gaza Strip being controlled by Hamas, and the price is being paid by Israeli children and Palestinian children, but the blame is and the address is Hamas.” This is a clear lie. What Israeli children have been killed? The only dead children are in Gaza.
HAMAS is a political organisation which has a military wing and not the other way around. It was democratically elected by the people who were sick of the previous corrupt politicians who let them down.
ISRAEL broke the ceasefire on November 4 2008 - a fact finally acknowledged on CNN nearly two months later in a discussion show although the BBC, Fox and other western media have yet to mention this.
HAMAS does not use civilians as human shields - again, where is the evidence? Israel needs to put up or shut up, but the media never demands to see the evidence.
ISRAEL says it cares about civilians and warns them in advance of the bombing raids in their area - well so did the IRA but I don’t remember anyone congratulating them on their humanitarian actions.
HAMAS is a political organisation which has a military wing and not the other way around. It was democratically elected by the people who were sick of the previous corrupt politicians who let them down.
ISRAEL broke the ceasefire on November 4 2008 - a fact finally acknowledged on CNN nearly two months later in a discussion show although the BBC, Fox and other western media have yet to mention this.
HAMAS does not use civilians as human shields - again, where is the evidence? Israel needs to put up or shut up, but the media never demands to see the evidence.
ISRAEL says it cares about civilians and warns them in advance of the bombing raids in their area - well so did the IRA but I don’t remember anyone congratulating them on their humanitarian actions.
suttydog, accrington says...
9:14pm Fri 9 Jan 09
you can have 50k people at this protest it will not make 1 ounce of difference but if it makes you feel better
its simple hamas stop rockets israel stops fighting not rocket science no pun intended
its simple hamas stop rockets israel stops fighting not rocket science no pun intended
mick b, Accrington says...
9:21pm Fri 9 Jan 09
matureoak wrote:Your assertions might carry a bit more credibility if you learnt to spell the name 'Palestine' correctly at least!
Take a look at the shrinking map of palastine then you'll see why there is so much unrest (google it). The palastines are slowly being wiped off the face of the planet by Israel and the UN seem powerless to stop them. Ask yourself why Israel commands so much power over the US and it seems the rest of the world. Israel has kiiled more of it's people in the last 2 weeks than any Hamas rocket and yet there are over 700 Palastinians dead, now I ask you, who is the terrorist?
What is Hamas?
Hamas or ‘The Islamic Resistance Movement’ is linked with the Muslim Brotherhood, a world jihadi group ideologically connected to Osama Bin Laden.
It's main sponsor and patron however is the terrorist sponsoring state of Iran.
Hamas has fired over 10,000 rockets and mortars against civilian targets in Israel over the past 8 years.
Sporadic firing of rockets against Israel continued during a recent temporary “cessation of hostilities”.
That lull was used by Hamas to build up forces and weaponry in preparation for the present continued attacks on Israel.
On December 19 2008 Hamas refused to extend even that partial cease-fire and began intensive rocketing Israeli kibbutzim, towns and cities on the average of 40-50 attacks a day.
On Saturday December 27 Israel Air Force jets attacked Hamas forces in Gaza, finally responding to years of Hamas rocket attacks. On January 3 2009 a land invasion of Gaza was initiated.
Many informed observers believe that just like the Hizbullah operation in July 2006, Iran triggered the latest conflagration in order to divert the world's attention as it reached yet another critical point in its development of nuclear weapons.
On Sunday this the terror group for whom the majority of marchers will demonstrating.
andy1, burnley says...
9:25pm Fri 9 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:You try learning your history Im not the fool believe me. You have made clear anti muslim statements on these pages on many occasions. I am trying to join in the debate here neither am I Muslim,Jew or Christian but Pagan. Organised religions are the major causes of wars.
andy1 wrote:Gerry Adams never once called for the total destruction of Protestant people or British people.
We hear extremist this extremist that from some of the morons who right on these pages because of their religion. Now not so long ago just over the water in Northern Ireland we had what we would now call Extremists who came from the Christian faith Catholics and Protestants both who beleive in the same God. Both sets of communities where led by what I would call men of hate by politicans like the Reverend Ian Paisley (UDF and other groups) a man of the cloth? and Gerry Adams a staunch Republican (Seinn Fein I.R.A and again other splinter groups). The point I am making is would the moronic minority minority be so quick to of condemned these two villans with blood on their hands. If the likes of the internet had been around every time there was an atocity and call these two extremists? I dont know how many innocent people from both sides died during these troubles and that conflict lasted centuries not years. At the end of the day both these two had to sit down and talk the talk. Now both Hamas that does represent a part of Palastinian land democraticaly elected and the State of Israel again democraticaly elected Government do the same has what happened in Northern Ireland and other parts of the world. All those saying the land is Israel do not know their history I suggest they do more reasearch on the subject. the likes of some comments on here are laughable. I can guarantee one thing when Oil goes up some of the morons who want this war to continue will be the first ones whinging. Fact Middle East crisis push up the price of oil = higher petrol prices for all.
Hamas has said it wants the total destruction of Israel and the jews.
Go and read some Irish History Andy stop making a fool of yourself comparing the two conflicts.
mick b, Accrington says...
9:27pm Fri 9 Jan 09
matureoak wrote:We dare to disagree with you so resort to insulting us?
TO ALL YOU NUMPTIES OUT THERE THAT SUPPORTS THE KILLING IN GAZA AND BLINDLY BLAME HAMAS, LET ME PUT IT TO YOU IN SIMPLER LANGUAGE: I am a british citizen living in England and politely objecting to Hamas' tactics. But I wonder what would I do if another people settled in britain and claimed it as their ancestral home. Myself and the other natives are left with Wales and Yorkshire, both of which are blockaded and deprived water and medicine. I would like to think that I would fight back. And I wouldn't be a terrorist, I would be a freedom fighter. There is a difference.
The spirit which motivates Hamas is similar in nature to the one which controlled Adolf Hitler.
As with Hitler, negotiations were only an obfuscating delaying tactic which led to further evil empowerment and conquest.
Hamas is at least clearer and more transparent than Hitler about its goals and strategies – Jihad is the means, and the destruction of Israel is the goal.
Today however, the world’s moral vision is perilously close to being blinder than it was in Hitler’s day (Luke 6:39; John 9:39).
Reconciliation was not possible with Hitler, though a few misguided or deceived believers thought so at the time.
In our day, any call for true reconciliation between Arab and Jew can only be realistically actualized after the power of jihadi Islam is broken in Arab hearts and lives.
This is not the only step, of course, but it is a sine qua non.
Let's pray for the defeat of Hamas, its leadership and its Islamist ideological hold over many Gazans and British Moslems.
mick b, Accrington says...
9:35pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:As we pray for the defeat of Hamas, it is important to remember how Hamas understands the nature of that conflict.
duke bar wrote:Duke Bar i have found u a website! dont know why i shouldnt give a sh!t what u think!!duke bar wrote: Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims . I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts. Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza. Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks. This would never ever happen in a muslim land. It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim. Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war. Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing Is this what the Koran teaches muslims.. I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanksStill waiting...... Any muslims care to comment......... Stop removing my post also please L.E.T. I thought we lived in East lancashire not in the East of Saudi Arabia or Iran.Where they have no press freedom.
Here are some representative quotes from the Hamas Charter which throw some light on the spiritual nature of the conflict.
1. “Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief” (Article #8 - ed. this is also the slogan of the Muslim Brotherhood).
2. “(Peace) initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement … Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam … There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. (Article #13).
Many Palestinians and Israelis, as well as some Arab states, have stated that they would accept a 2-state solution based on pre-1967 lines.
According to a 2002 poll conducted by PIPA, 72% of both Palestinians and Israelis supported at that time a peace settlement based on the 1967 borders so long as each group could be reassured that the other side would be cooperative in making the necessary concessions for such a settlement.
Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran, however, continue to call for the "liberation" of all of "historic" Palestine from the "Zionist Entity.
Enjoy your demonstration.
judge dredd, Planet earth says...
9:50pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Hamas the government of palestine activly support the murder of jewish people be it by crude rockets or suicide bombers and expect sympathy?It is high time numptys like yvonne and other misguided muslim appeasing douches woke up and smelt the coffee .Islam and its misguided followers do not understand peace and negotioation only the will of allah and the wicked intolerant faith islam .Why werent the islamic community marching when 9/11 and 7/7 happened?.They are muslims and care only about muslims thats why they can never integrate into non muslim society ,If you are a non muslim think VERY CAREFULLY about going on this march they are using you for there own ends and care nothing for anything unislamic.ISLAM=DEAT
H DESTRUCTION AND MISERY.
H DESTRUCTION AND MISERY.
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
9:54pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I urge all people to accept Yvonnes invite to attend her peace rally to attend if you like me sympathise with Gods people attend and wave the star of David high and proud. attend and join this peace rally. I will be there!!
mick b, Accrington says...
9:58pm Fri 9 Jan 09
Akki wrote:Akki heres the real news.
******* GET ALL THE REAL NEWS AT PRESS TV - SKY CHANNEL 515. *******
On Thursday Hamas fired 30 rockets at civilian targets, striking Ashkelon, Beersheva, Sderot and surrounding kibbutzim and farms. One Grad Katyusha rocket struck the gymnasium of an elementary school in Ashkelon. Since all Israeli schools within rocket range are temporarily closed, no one was injured.
An unknown group fired 4 Katyushas from southern Lebanon (near Naqoura) into the Israeli city of Nahariya, striking a retirement home’s kitchen while 25 pensioners sat eating breakfast. Three people were lightly wounded, though many suffered shock.
Israel has neither claim nor possession on any part of Lebanese territory.
In July 2006 however Hezbullah launched an ambush on Israeli troops inside Israel, kidnapping Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser, triggering the 2006 Lebanese War.
18 months later the bodies of both soldiers were returned in exchange for live Palestinian and Hezbullah prisoners. One of these was Samir Kuntar a Lebanese national who was convicted of kidnapping and murdering an Israeli family during a terrorist attack in the coastal town of Nahariya.
During the attack Kuntar literally smashed the head of a baby against rocks with his rifle butt in order to stop the child from crying and thus drawing attention to himself.
Kuntar never expressed remorse.
On his release he received a hero's welcome in Lebanon by the Prime Minister and Hezbollah. A National holiday was declared.
mick b, Accrington says...
10:08pm Fri 9 Jan 09
That Samir Kuntar story is hard to believe isn't it?
Well even Yvonne Ridley's second favourite newspaper (after Al Quds) - the Guardian couldn't avoid reporting it (through gritted teeth).
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/world/2008/jul
/16/lebanon
Well even Yvonne Ridley's second favourite newspaper (after Al Quds) - the Guardian couldn't avoid reporting it (through gritted teeth).
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/world/2008/jul
/16/lebanon
hoodle, humberside says...
10:35pm Fri 9 Jan 09
I don't know if the jews should be in the middle east anymore than islam should be in the west..........discus
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amir, Blackburn says...
11:25pm Fri 9 Jan 09
people have the right to protest if they wish to do so.....
duke bar, burnley says...
11:34pm Fri 9 Jan 09
sofia wrote:You found the web site for America.gov.Then it said the page your looking for has moved.
sofia wrote:http://www.america.g ov/st/washfile-engli sh/2005/July/2005072 1173921xbtterrets0.2 144586.htmlduke bar wrote:Duke Bar i have found u a website! dont know why i shouldnt give a sh!t what u think!!duke bar wrote: Can anyone show me a report where muslim leaders have condemed terrorist attacks on non muslims . I have yet to see this.Have any muslims every condemed Hamas or the Plo for their nasty acts. Lots of jews are condeming Isreal for what they are doing in Gaza. Its called freedom of speach and they even had demonstrations in Isreal against the Gaza attacks. This would never ever happen in a muslim land. It looks like to be a good muslim you must say nothing wrong about another muslim. Yet sunni and **** muslims were killing each other in the Iran Iraq war. Or is it only when a muslim attacks non muslims its time to say nothing Is this what the Koran teaches muslims.. I look forward to hearing some of you muslims explain this to me me .thanksStill waiting...... Any muslims care to comment......... Stop removing my post also please L.E.T. I thought we lived in East lancashire not in the East of Saudi Arabia or Iran.Where they have no press freedom.
So Sofia your full of crap you found nothing for me.
Try again Sofia as just like Hamas your failing.Can not belivei wasted my time looking at what she gave me.
I was right there are no links because muslims never condem muslim terrorists.
duke bar, burnley says...
11:51pm Fri 9 Jan 09
andy1 wrote:Andy i could not give a toss if you were Mrs smiths black and white cat.
duke bar wrote:You try learning your history Im not the fool believe me. You have made clear anti muslim statements on these pages on many occasions. I am trying to join in the debate here neither am I Muslim,Jew or Christian but Pagan. Organised religions are the major causes of wars.andy1 wrote: We hear extremist this extremist that from some of the morons who right on these pages because of their religion. Now not so long ago just over the water in Northern Ireland we had what we would now call Extremists who came from the Christian faith Catholics and Protestants both who beleive in the same God. Both sets of communities where led by what I would call men of hate by politicans like the Reverend Ian Paisley (UDF and other groups) a man of the cloth? and Gerry Adams a staunch Republican (Seinn Fein I.R.A and again other splinter groups). The point I am making is would the moronic minority minority be so quick to of condemned these two villans with blood on their hands. If the likes of the internet had been around every time there was an atocity and call these two extremists? I dont know how many innocent people from both sides died during these troubles and that conflict lasted centuries not years. At the end of the day both these two had to sit down and talk the talk. Now both Hamas that does represent a part of Palastinian land democraticaly elected and the State of Israel again democraticaly elected Government do the same has what happened in Northern Ireland and other parts of the world. All those saying the land is Israel do not know their history I suggest they do more reasearch on the subject. the likes of some comments on here are laughable. I can guarantee one thing when Oil goes up some of the morons who want this war to continue will be the first ones whinging. Fact Middle East crisis push up the price of oil = higher petrol prices for all.Gerry Adams never once called for the total destruction of Protestant people or British people. Hamas has said it wants the total destruction of Israel and the jews. Go and read some Irish History Andy stop making a fool of yourself comparing the two conflicts.
What you said about the problem in Ireland and the Problem in the Middle East is very wrong.
One group wanted a united Ireland living side by side with the Protestants in this united Ireland.
Hamas wants the state of Israel and all jews wiped off the face of the earth.
Can you see how wrong you are.Councilor Andrew.
I have made clear anti Muslim terrorists statements on these pages on many occasions.Thats correct andy.Its because they put bombs in the Capital of England and killed lots of English people.This is why andy.
I have also said not all muslims are terrorists .Theres alot of good Muslims about in this world .I would just like to see them condem terrorists a lot more
duke bar, burnley says...
11:51pm Fri 9 Jan 09
andy1 wrote:Andy i could not give a toss if you were Mrs smiths black and white cat.
duke bar wrote:You try learning your history Im not the fool believe me. You have made clear anti muslim statements on these pages on many occasions. I am trying to join in the debate here neither am I Muslim,Jew or Christian but Pagan. Organised religions are the major causes of wars.andy1 wrote: We hear extremist this extremist that from some of the morons who right on these pages because of their religion. Now not so long ago just over the water in Northern Ireland we had what we would now call Extremists who came from the Christian faith Catholics and Protestants both who beleive in the same God. Both sets of communities where led by what I would call men of hate by politicans like the Reverend Ian Paisley (UDF and other groups) a man of the cloth? and Gerry Adams a staunch Republican (Seinn Fein I.R.A and again other splinter groups). The point I am making is would the moronic minority minority be so quick to of condemned these two villans with blood on their hands. If the likes of the internet had been around every time there was an atocity and call these two extremists? I dont know how many innocent people from both sides died during these troubles and that conflict lasted centuries not years. At the end of the day both these two had to sit down and talk the talk. Now both Hamas that does represent a part of Palastinian land democraticaly elected and the State of Israel again democraticaly elected Government do the same has what happened in Northern Ireland and other parts of the world. All those saying the land is Israel do not know their history I suggest they do more reasearch on the subject. the likes of some comments on here are laughable. I can guarantee one thing when Oil goes up some of the morons who want this war to continue will be the first ones whinging. Fact Middle East crisis push up the price of oil = higher petrol prices for all.Gerry Adams never once called for the total destruction of Protestant people or British people. Hamas has said it wants the total destruction of Israel and the jews. Go and read some Irish History Andy stop making a fool of yourself comparing the two conflicts.
What you said about the problem in Ireland and the Problem in the Middle East is very wrong.
One group wanted a united Ireland living side by side with the Protestants in this united Ireland.
Hamas wants the state of Israel and all jews wiped off the face of the earth.
Can you see how wrong you are.Councilor Andrew.
I have made clear anti Muslim terrorists statements on these pages on many occasions.Thats correct andy.Its because they put bombs in the Capital of England and killed lots of English people.This is why andy.
I have also said not all muslims are terrorists .Theres alot of good Muslims about in this world .I would just like to see them condem terrorists a lot more
steve b, blackburn says...
12:07am Sat 10 Jan 09
It would be hard for a muslim to condem muslim terrorists just like you are finding it hard to condem Irish terrorists, funny how you label all them by their religion yet your Irish folk by the nationality. I have many muslim friends and they pay taxes so have as much right for police security etc for the march on Sunday, it saddens me that there are many christians whose human rights are being abused in Israel but I have never heard our local church mention a protest etc. I think it scares us that muslims are unified just by belief, its their leaders that let them down and we as British christians have a lot we should learn from their ways.
duke bar, burnley says...
12:45am Sat 10 Jan 09
steve b wrote:Am i finding it hard to condem Irish Terrorists Steve!
It would be hard for a muslim to condem muslim terrorists just like you are finding it hard to condem Irish terrorists, funny how you label all them by their religion yet your Irish folk by the nationality. I have many muslim friends and they pay taxes so have as much right for police security etc for the march on Sunday, it saddens me that there are many christians whose human rights are being abused in Israel but I have never heard our local church mention a protest etc. I think it scares us that muslims are unified just by belief, its their leaders that let them down and we as British christians have a lot we should learn from their ways.
This is news to me.
You also said your Irish folk!What is this ment to mean!Do you think i am Terry Wogan or something. You going a bit senile Steve
All terrorists should be condemend.
Where ever they come from
.
duke bar, burnley says...
12:45am Sat 10 Jan 09
steve b wrote:Am i finding it hard to condem Irish Terrorists Steve!
It would be hard for a muslim to condem muslim terrorists just like you are finding it hard to condem Irish terrorists, funny how you label all them by their religion yet your Irish folk by the nationality. I have many muslim friends and they pay taxes so have as much right for police security etc for the march on Sunday, it saddens me that there are many christians whose human rights are being abused in Israel but I have never heard our local church mention a protest etc. I think it scares us that muslims are unified just by belief, its their leaders that let them down and we as British christians have a lot we should learn from their ways.
This is news to me.
You also said your Irish folk!What is this ment to mean!Do you think i am Terry Wogan or something. You going a bit senile Steve
All terrorists should be condemend.
Where ever they come from
.
huzayfapatel, says...
3:21am Sat 10 Jan 09
What is it with narrow minded people?
I shall be demonstrating at this peace rally, but that does not mean I condone Hamas.
Like me, most Marchers will be calling for peace, for an end to Israels brutality and calling for the international community to do more.
This whole problem started because of the Occupation and because Western Super Powers decided to boycott and isolate Hamas.
A decent intelligent person will tell you. Hamas is inbedded within Palestinians. And if there is to be Peace, then the UK, the USA, the EU and others have to start engaging with them.
Bring all parties to the table and there will be peace.
End occupation, stop settlements and allow refugees to return and there will be peace.
If there was no occupation, there would be no resistance.
Thats not hard to understand.
If a foreign army came into Britain then threw me out of Blackburn and then pushed me away into the far corner of Scotland, where there was limited water/electricty/foo
d.
I would fight fight and fight so I could return to my homeland/town.
I bet its killing you inside knowing people are going to March and demonstrate and you cant do anything about it. What a shame.
I shall be demonstrating at this peace rally, but that does not mean I condone Hamas.
Like me, most Marchers will be calling for peace, for an end to Israels brutality and calling for the international community to do more.
This whole problem started because of the Occupation and because Western Super Powers decided to boycott and isolate Hamas.
A decent intelligent person will tell you. Hamas is inbedded within Palestinians. And if there is to be Peace, then the UK, the USA, the EU and others have to start engaging with them.
Bring all parties to the table and there will be peace.
End occupation, stop settlements and allow refugees to return and there will be peace.
If there was no occupation, there would be no resistance.
Thats not hard to understand.
If a foreign army came into Britain then threw me out of Blackburn and then pushed me away into the far corner of Scotland, where there was limited water/electricty/foo
d.
I would fight fight and fight so I could return to my homeland/town.
I bet its killing you inside knowing people are going to March and demonstrate and you cant do anything about it. What a shame.
easymonies, Disneyland says...
3:35am Sat 10 Jan 09
Despite all the argument/discussion here I believe the march will go ahead because of pressure. Fair enough.
But I hope the police do their job properly and arrest anyone burning flags shouting racist taunts and shouting death to..... whoever.
That is not a peacful march and suspect that a lot of the negativity towards the march is because people know what may be expected therefore it may not be peaceful.
But I hope the police do their job properly and arrest anyone burning flags shouting racist taunts and shouting death to..... whoever.
That is not a peacful march and suspect that a lot of the negativity towards the march is because people know what may be expected therefore it may not be peaceful.
Lanc's Lad, says...
5:59am Sat 10 Jan 09
Please don't listen to most of the crap that has been posted and go to this protest and stand up for the innocent people of palestine that are getting maimed and killed in their own land, these people only post on website's and would never come to these protest to spout their drivel as they know they are full of crap.
I am actually setting off to protest in London and then will be back to protest in Blackburn tomorrow. Hope my brother's and sister's of Blackburn find the same strength and attend the Blackburn protest.
I am actually setting off to protest in London and then will be back to protest in Blackburn tomorrow. Hope my brother's and sister's of Blackburn find the same strength and attend the Blackburn protest.
Lanc's Lad, says...
5:59am Sat 10 Jan 09
Please don't listen to most of the crap that has been posted and go to this protest and stand up for the innocent people of palestine that are getting maimed and killed in their own land, these people only post on website's and would never come to these protest to spout their drivel as they know they are full of crap.
I am actually setting off to protest in London and then will be back to protest in Blackburn tomorrow. Hope my brother's and sister's of Blackburn find the same strength and attend the Blackburn protest.
I am actually setting off to protest in London and then will be back to protest in Blackburn tomorrow. Hope my brother's and sister's of Blackburn find the same strength and attend the Blackburn protest.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
8:50am Sat 10 Jan 09
huzayfapatel wrote:So Moslems should be able to go and live wherever they want and have their own States (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh...).
What is it with narrow minded people? I shall be demonstrating at this peace rally, but that does not mean I condone Hamas. Like me, most Marchers will be calling for peace, for an end to Israels brutality and calling for the international community to do more. This whole problem started because of the Occupation and because Western Super Powers decided to boycott and isolate Hamas. A decent intelligent person will tell you. Hamas is inbedded within Palestinians. And if there is to be Peace, then the UK, the USA, the EU and others have to start engaging with them. Bring all parties to the table and there will be peace. End occupation, stop settlements and allow refugees to return and there will be peace. If there was no occupation, there would be no resistance. Thats not hard to understand. If a foreign army came into Britain then threw me out of Blackburn and then pushed me away into the far corner of Scotland, where there was limited water/electricty/foo d. I would fight fight and fight so I could return to my homeland/town. I bet its killing you inside knowing people are going to March and demonstrate and you cant do anything about it. What a shame.
Jews on the other hand are not entitled to their 1 and only tiny state.
Why can't you Moslems get over yourselves?
Allowing all the Palestinian 'refugees' to return to their former homes would bring about the demographic destruction of the State of Israel. It's not going to happen.
There are scores of Arab and Moslem states in the world. If they care so much about their Moslem brothers, why don't they help them?
What you call the Occupation, is the state of Israel.
Israel is subject to a unique double standard of judgment and criticism for its actions in defending its very existence.
If the Jewish state were judged by the same standard as every other nation, Israel would be at or near the top of the list in terms of civil liberties, human rights, and every other test of morality and justice.
This selective treatment of Israel is the new anti-Semitism.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
9:59am Sat 10 Jan 09
steve b wrote:Christians' human rights abused in Israel?
It would be hard for a muslim to condem muslim terrorists just like you are finding it hard to condem Irish terrorists, funny how you label all them by their religion yet your Irish folk by the nationality. I have many muslim friends and they pay taxes so have as much right for police security etc for the march on Sunday, it saddens me that there are many christians whose human rights are being abused in Israel but I have never heard our local church mention a protest etc. I think it scares us that muslims are unified just by belief, its their leaders that let them down and we as British christians have a lot we should learn from their ways.
No Stve B. You're naive.
Since Hamas took over Gaza, it has first of all been exlusivelt cleared of Jews, now they have turned their attentin to the Christians.
Since the Palestinians gained control of much of the West Bank the Christians have been leaving in droves - facing persecution from the same totalitatian Islamist ideology embraced by Hamas and Hezbullah.
Lebanon has lost half its Christians by the way since the rise of Hezbullah.
In Israel at least - unlike Saudi Arabia and Pakistan - there is freedom of worship.
Akki, Accy says...
10:26am Sat 10 Jan 09
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JOHN KENYON, PADIHAM says...
10:57am Sat 10 Jan 09
IM MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WELFARE OF MY DOG THAN TERRORISTS AND THE SUPPORTERS OF TEERORISM.GOOD LOOK ISRAEL DONT STOP UNTILL YOUVE DESTROYED HAMAS IN THE GAZA STRIP.
JOHN KENYON, PADIHAM says...
11:01am Sat 10 Jan 09
SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING MISTAKE TRYING TO BE TO QUCK FOR MY OWN GOOD MEANT TO SAY TERRORISM.
RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
11:04am Sat 10 Jan 09
after all this and everything people think,the police must be mad to let this march go ahead..its a powder keg..we know that the asians will not do anything peacefully as seen on the news in london..burnley are at home to swansea too the police are over streched as it is..call it off now,save time/money,its not our problem,its been going on for years,it wont end..if all these do gooders are concerened GO TO GAZZA NOW...!!!!you know you wont,your just anti-government,and pro-protesters
imymusa@hotmail.com, blackburn says...
11:16am Sat 10 Jan 09
Looking at the comments, people are so ignorant. This country started the mess 60 years ago and supplies Israel with arms every year. Israel has locked in gaza and starving them.Hamas has a right to defend with rocks and home made rockets because Israel is driving them to extinction.Whilst Israelis use UK and US supplies of f16s, tanks, and huge bombs.Its clear, Israel wants Gaza and expel palestinians, If you read your history instead of watching Sky, and The Sun for news, Your views would change because this country has everything to do with whats happening there,in Iraq which they bombed for fun and didnt find anything. This country is simply using media propaganda to justify its cause. Wake Up.
watermelon, blackburn says...
11:27am Sat 10 Jan 09
I see all the negative comments come from burnley ends..(cough) no disrespect to a portion of u who understand.The idea is not just to stop the war, but to make people aware of the reality and stop the media propaganda. Thats the idea..
steve b, blackburn says...
11:32am Sat 10 Jan 09
Message for john Kenyon padiham, you are right, look after your mum first!! Come on its a joke!
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
11:32am Sat 10 Jan 09
imymusa@hotmail.com wrote:"...Whilst Israelis use UK and US supplies of f16s, tanks, and huge bombs..."
Looking at the comments, people are so ignorant. This country started the mess 60 years ago and supplies Israel with arms every year. Israel has locked in gaza and starving them.Hamas has a right to defend with rocks and home made rockets because Israel is driving them to extinction.Whilst Israelis use UK and US supplies of f16s, tanks, and huge bombs.Its clear, Israel wants Gaza and expel palestinians, If you read your history instead of watching Sky, and The Sun for news, Your views would change because this country has everything to do with whats happening there,in Iraq which they bombed for fun and didnt find anything. This country is simply using media propaganda to justify its cause. Wake Up.
What do you suggest Imy, that Israel start firing katyusha rockets in to Gaza in the name of 'fair play'?
Maybe they should start sending suicide bombers in to cafes and schools just to even things up.
You're logic would have British troops fighting with Kalashnikovs in Afganistan, minus air power or satellite support. Actually I think you would. That way the Taleban would have more chance of winning, which I'm sure would make you and most of your fellow Moslems happy.
Whilst I address the numerous accusations made against Israel on this board, and respond with facts and context, people such as yourself who can see no right on the side of Israel and no wrong on the side of those who would seek to destroy the Jewish state respond with hyberbole and emotion.
You are either ignorant of the Middle East or malevolent in your intentions.
JOHN KENYON, PADIHAM says...
11:36am Sat 10 Jan 09
imymusa@hotmail.com wrote:WE DONT USE KIDS OR WOMEN AS HUMAN SHIELDS.WE DONT FIRE FROM SCHOOLS FULL OF KIDS AND MOAN WHEN FIRE IS RETURNED.WE DONT FIRE ROCKETS ON TOWNS AND VILLAGES HOPING TO KILL ANYBODY.MY VIEWS WILL NEVER CHANGE WHATEVER PROPAGANDA YOU TRY. SHALLOM.
Looking at the comments, people are so ignorant. This country started the mess 60 years ago and supplies Israel with arms every year. Israel has locked in gaza and starving them.Hamas has a right to defend with rocks and home made rockets because Israel is driving them to extinction.Whilst Israelis use UK and US supplies of f16s, tanks, and huge bombs.Its clear, Israel wants Gaza and expel palestinians, If you read your history instead of watching Sky, and The Sun for news, Your views would change because this country has everything to do with whats happening there,in Iraq which they bombed for fun and didnt find anything. This country is simply using media propaganda to justify its cause. Wake Up.
watermelon, blackburn says...
11:38am Sat 10 Jan 09
reply to Cast Lead Gaza.. So kicking out the palestinians 60 years ago by ethnic cleansing them and removing them because the zionist jews didnt have a place to go after the holocaust after they were removed from germany is justifiable.. you dont have clue what your talkin about. If you remeber, Israel was told to take only a quarter of the land, and they became greedy and took 75%. Today they want the westbank and gaza hence their campaign of terror. Read the facts first before you make baseless comments.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
11:49am Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:Another example of the double-standard I mention.
reply to Cast Lead Gaza.. So kicking out the palestinians 60 years ago by ethnic cleansing them and removing them because the zionist jews didnt have a place to go after the holocaust after they were removed from germany is justifiable.. you dont have clue what your talkin about. If you remeber, Israel was told to take only a quarter of the land, and they became greedy and took 75%. Today they want the westbank and gaza hence their campaign of terror. Read the facts first before you make baseless comments.
The Tibetans, the Kurds, the Basques, and dozens of other stateless peoples have much stronger claims to statehood than do the Palestinians.
The Tibetans and Kurds have been treated far more brutally by their occupiers than have the Palestinians.
The Tibetans have never resorted to terrorism. The UN has never condemned China or recognized the rights of Tibetans, Kurds, Basques, or the others.
Only the Palestinians have resorted to terrorism as a primary method for seeking independence.
Only the Palestinians have been offered a state (three times) and only the Palestinians have rejected a state (three times).
As Abba Evan said about them, 'they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity'.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
11:51am Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:Also Israel accepted UN Partition in 1947. The Arabs rejected it and attacked Israel.
reply to Cast Lead Gaza.. So kicking out the palestinians 60 years ago by ethnic cleansing them and removing them because the zionist jews didnt have a place to go after the holocaust after they were removed from germany is justifiable.. you dont have clue what your talkin about. If you remeber, Israel was told to take only a quarter of the land, and they became greedy and took 75%. Today they want the westbank and gaza hence their campaign of terror. Read the facts first before you make baseless comments.
The Arabs lost.
Get over it.
By a yarmulke. Grow a beard. You'll feel much better for it.
watermelon, blackburn says...
11:55am Sat 10 Jan 09
reply to john kenyon, Israel broke the truce by making regular incursions in to gaza during the truce. killed 30 palestinians. Hamas held on upto 3 weeks ago. they didnt fire rockets for 6 months. Israel provoked the action. again, there is no propaganda from Hamas or from muslims. only the truth.If you read detailed reports from the negotiators, the plan is clear.remove the jews from gaza which they did a few years ago.let the palestinians have Gaza.Lock them in.starve them.dont let any aid in.dont allow it to develop.eventually they will leave in 20 years time.Israel then secures gaza strip.the plans clear.You just dont see it cause you read/watch sky which is pro israeli and read pro israeli papers. or you support the propaganda.To understand what is going on you have to dig deeper.thats why 60,000 people attended a march in london, mostly non muslims.what does that say..people are waking up to the truth.
watermelon, blackburn says...
12:06pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Cast Lead > So what your saying is Israel is justified in its right to commit genocide and ethnic cleanse. Obviusly you cant have a proper conversation with **** like you cause you support these barbaric acts commited by israel. You may get away it now, but when the rest of the world wakes up, and ready to challange the US and UK, which is closer than you think, then Israel will not be able to hide behind its backers. If you think its justified, come to the march in blackburn, wel have a chat instead of making personal comments behind your computer. dont bother replying, cause your just a **** and you cant have a proper debate.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:06pm Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:The Palestinian Arabs never sought Statehood when they were "occupied" by the Ottomans, Jordan and Egypt.
reply to john kenyon, Israel broke the truce by making regular incursions in to gaza during the truce. killed 30 palestinians. Hamas held on upto 3 weeks ago. they didnt fire rockets for 6 months. Israel provoked the action. again, there is no propaganda from Hamas or from muslims. only the truth.If you read detailed reports from the negotiators, the plan is clear.remove the jews from gaza which they did a few years ago.let the palestinians have Gaza.Lock them in.starve them.dont let any aid in.dont allow it to develop.eventually they will leave in 20 years time.Israel then secures gaza strip.the plans clear.You just dont see it cause you read/watch sky which is pro israeli and read pro israeli papers. or you support the propaganda.To understand what is going on you have to dig deeper.thats why 60,000 people attended a march in london, mostly non muslims.what does that say..people are waking up to the truth.
The claim began as a tactic to eliminate the Jewish State of Israel. The PLO even being formed by Egypt in 1964 when the "West Bank" and Gaza are described as being Arab occupied.
The Arabs/Palestinians refused to make peace with Israel when there were no "settlements" in existence and also when Ehud Barak offered to remove them all.
The real barrier to "peace" is that the Palestinians are utterly unwilling to accept the existence of a Jewish State in ANY part of what they describe as "Palestine".
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:13pm Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:Dear oh dear watermelon. You're now resorting to personal insults. That's usually an indication that you are losing the debate.
Cast Lead > So what your saying is Israel is justified in its right to commit genocide and ethnic cleanse. Obviusly you cant have a proper conversation with **** like you cause you support these barbaric acts commited by israel. You may get away it now, but when the rest of the world wakes up, and ready to challange the US and UK, which is closer than you think, then Israel will not be able to hide behind its backers. If you think its justified, come to the march in blackburn, wel have a chat instead of making personal comments behind your computer. dont bother replying, cause your just a **** and you cant have a proper debate.
Genocide, mmm?
Palestinian propagandists such as yourself regularly invoke the "human rights" issue merely as a tactic against Israel.
Hamas and the Palestinian Authority however have no respect for tolerance or human rights itself with a policy of torturing and killing alleged collaborators, often publicly, without even a semblance of a due process of law or trial.
This issue of Palestinian human rights abuses and persecution of Christians (and Jews in the territories) is of little consequence to Moslem public opinion, which only concentratse on alleged Israel/Jewish wrongdoings against fellow Moslems.
Hamas has as many, if not more fellow Moslems in the past 3 years than Israel. But that's OK I suppose?
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:25pm Sat 10 Jan 09
"...Hamas has killed as many, if not more fellow Moslems in the past 3 years than Israel. But that's OK I suppose?"
It's funny how the Arabs only demand "human rights" vis-a-vis the Jewish Palestininian conflict.
They never apply it to their own countries.
Take the example of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees(UNHCR).
The vast percentage of it's resolutions are against Israel, which is the only nation to be subject to an entire agenda EVERY year.
By comparison the it has never passed a resolution against states such as Syria, China, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Chad, Liberia, Malawi, Mali, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Yemen or Zimbabwe, all of whom are committing gross and systematic human rights abuses.
Ask yourself why?
Underlying all of this hysteria aimed at Israel is one simple equation: International bigotry which taps into the age old European affliction of anti-Semitism.
It's funny how the Arabs only demand "human rights" vis-a-vis the Jewish Palestininian conflict.
They never apply it to their own countries.
Take the example of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees(UNHCR).
The vast percentage of it's resolutions are against Israel, which is the only nation to be subject to an entire agenda EVERY year.
By comparison the it has never passed a resolution against states such as Syria, China, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Chad, Liberia, Malawi, Mali, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Yemen or Zimbabwe, all of whom are committing gross and systematic human rights abuses.
Ask yourself why?
Underlying all of this hysteria aimed at Israel is one simple equation: International bigotry which taps into the age old European affliction of anti-Semitism.
watermelon, blackburn says...
12:41pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Castlead Gaza> OH dear..its you thats giving the insults thats why you get some back. It works both ways. Also Israel probably has the most amount UN resolutions imposed, but non of these really apply to Israel in the first instance. Because they ignore every single one of them and are allowed too, simply because the have the mighty US behind them who will back them with all the arsenal they want.on the other hand as an example, destroying countries like Iraq and afghanistan was ok just because the Us and Uk thought , after the report suggested there was no evidence of Mass weapons, was justifiable? Israel is in breach of every UN resolution but the world cannot do anything..Because of the US and UK and the media PR machine it has. Theres enough points on here for people to see and make their own minds. The palestinians are the victims, the Israelis are the aggressors.I wil let you carry on this blog, I have bigger fish to fry.
good luck with your propaganda.
good luck with your propaganda.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:43pm Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:"...You may get away it now, but when the rest of the world wakes up, and ready to challange the US and UK, which is closer than you think..."
Cast Lead > So what your saying is Israel is justified in its right to commit genocide and ethnic cleanse. Obviusly you cant have a proper conversation with **** like you cause you support these barbaric acts commited by israel. You may get away it now, but when the rest of the world wakes up, and ready to challange the US and UK, which is closer than you think, then Israel will not be able to hide behind its backers. If you think its justified, come to the march in blackburn, wel have a chat instead of making personal comments behind your computer. dont bother replying, cause your just a **** and you cant have a proper debate.
To watermelon and his/her fellow Moslems.
If you detest what the UK so much and want to support the jihad against British and Nato troops in Afganistan and Pakistan, nobody is forcing you to stay.
There are a whole host of Islamic countries from Albania to Saudi Arabia where you can live amongst fellow Moslems, hate the UK, the U.S and the West as much as you like.
Sharia law is an option if you actually want it.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:53pm Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:That's OK watermelon, you're just out of your league is all...
Castlead Gaza> OH dear..its you thats giving the insults thats why you get some back. It works both ways. Also Israel probably has the most amount UN resolutions imposed, but non of these really apply to Israel in the first instance. Because they ignore every single one of them and are allowed too, simply because the have the mighty US behind them who will back them with all the arsenal they want.on the other hand as an example, destroying countries like Iraq and afghanistan was ok just because the Us and Uk thought , after the report suggested there was no evidence of Mass weapons, was justifiable? Israel is in breach of every UN resolution but the world cannot do anything..Because of the US and UK and the media PR machine it has. Theres enough points on here for people to see and make their own minds. The palestinians are the victims, the Israelis are the aggressors.I wil let you carry on this blog, I have bigger fish to fry. good luck with your propaganda.
Let me ask all you Israel bashers out there something.
Why is the world so focused on Israel? And why is the world so focused on Palestinian statehood? Why has the Palestinian cause been leapfrogged ahead of the Tibetans at the U.N.?
The Tibetans can't get a meeting at the U.N., can't even get into the building. They can't get to see the Pope. They can't get to many, many institutions. Yes, the Dalai Lama can get a hearing in various places. Why not the Kurds? Why not the Armenians? Why not the Chechens? Why not so many others? Why are the Palestinians leapfrogged?
Well, there are several reasons.
First, terrorism. They have mastered the art of using terrorism to bring themselves to the attention of the world. And they should not be rewarded for that.
Second, they are lucky because the group that they claim oppresses them happens to be the Jew among nations, not the most popular group in the world. It's much easier to oppose the Jewish nation than to oppose China, or to oppose Turkey, in the case of the Armenians, or to oppose other stronger countries.
This leads me to the third reason, and that is oil. The allies of the Palestinians are oil-rich nations.
And the fourth reason is because Israel is seen as a surrogate in many parts of the world for the United States. And a lot of anti-Americanism really manifests itself as anti-Israel bashing, particularly in university campuses.
Scratch anti-Israeli sentiment deep enough and I think you'll find strong anti-American attitudes of the kind expressed on this message board.
And by the way, in the Middle East scratch an anti-Semite and you will often find an anti-Christian. A lot of the opposition is to the Judeo-Christian heritage and civilization.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
2:59pm Sat 10 Jan 09
"...Israel drops leaflets over Gaza warning of 'escalation' in violence..."
Rumour has it that any escalation has been delayed by the I.D.F. until after Sunday afternoon, so as not to further arouse the wrath of Yvonne Ridley and her band of bigoted bandwagon of bleating sheep in Corporation Park.
Don't forget to feed the ducks.
Rumour has it that any escalation has been delayed by the I.D.F. until after Sunday afternoon, so as not to further arouse the wrath of Yvonne Ridley and her band of bigoted bandwagon of bleating sheep in Corporation Park.
Don't forget to feed the ducks.
easymonies, Disneyland says...
5:48pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Just watching Sky News Live and what that is showing is an excellent reason why the demonstration should NOT go ahead. Masked protesters throwing missiles at the police. They've knocked a policeman out.
Some shops have had their windows smashed because they were on the route of the march.
There is currently a standoff between aggressive predominantly young asian people and the police.
And you wonder why we are opposed to the march here. Hope it rains tomorrow.
By the way, how did the Darwen march go. No news here.
Some shops have had their windows smashed because they were on the route of the march.
There is currently a standoff between aggressive predominantly young asian people and the police.
And you wonder why we are opposed to the march here. Hope it rains tomorrow.
By the way, how did the Darwen march go. No news here.
Mr-Reasonable, Blackburn says...
6:08pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Great Peace demo Yvonne you half witted cretin, can we look forward to similar in Blackburn on Sunday, RoversGirl, Yvonne etc your "brothers and sisters" done you proud in London today ehhhh?
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
6:23pm Sat 10 Jan 09
If the speakers at the rally are genuinely concerned aabove all else about human rights, they will do the following:
Condemn Hamas for firing its rockets from homes, schools and other densely populated civilian areas
Condem Hamas for its recent statememt that all zionists and jews should be killed
Condemn Hamas for its stated definition of ending the occupation being that occupation ends when all of what is now Israel becomes part of an Islamic State.
If they fail/refuse to do so, then ypu should ask yourself and the speakers whether they care about everyone's human rights or are selective or soley those of the palestinians at the expense of chritians, jews, hindus and all other faiths and non believers
Condemn Hamas for firing its rockets from homes, schools and other densely populated civilian areas
Condem Hamas for its recent statememt that all zionists and jews should be killed
Condemn Hamas for its stated definition of ending the occupation being that occupation ends when all of what is now Israel becomes part of an Islamic State.
If they fail/refuse to do so, then ypu should ask yourself and the speakers whether they care about everyone's human rights or are selective or soley those of the palestinians at the expense of chritians, jews, hindus and all other faiths and non believers
brfcrules, blackburn says...
6:54pm Sat 10 Jan 09
us british are strong, immune and don't care for the death of women and children as collateral damage for protecting british interest. we never have done (unless they british). What i do protest is our honest hard urned money being spent on arms and war machines for israel interest. Israel don't give us anything in return, instead caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble. Us tax payers are now having to save them with what little money we have left. The cheeky israelis flout international rules that our integrity is based on and sacrfied for, we gave them the "promised" land after rescuing them from hitler. Bernard madoff give back our 50 billion dollars and may be we will let you kill more people that live on the land that you believe is promised to you (vatican city italy and bradford)
JOHN KENYON, PADIHAM says...
6:56pm Sat 10 Jan 09
watermelon wrote:I DONT NEED LESSONS IN THE TRUTH FROM YOU OR ANYBODY IM QUITE CAPABLE OF MAKING MY OWN MIND UP ON THIS SUJECT AND STAND BY IT.BY THE WAY IVE JUST SEEN THE RELEGION NOF PEACE KICKING OFF AGAIN IN LONDON.THE POLICE SHOULD PEN THEM IN AND GIVE THE RABBLE A GOOD BEATING.
reply to john kenyon, Israel broke the truce by making regular incursions in to gaza during the truce. killed 30 palestinians. Hamas held on upto 3 weeks ago. they didnt fire rockets for 6 months. Israel provoked the action. again, there is no propaganda from Hamas or from muslims. only the truth.If you read detailed reports from the negotiators, the plan is clear.remove the jews from gaza which they did a few years ago.let the palestinians have Gaza.Lock them in.starve them.dont let any aid in.dont allow it to develop.eventually they will leave in 20 years time.Israel then secures gaza strip.the plans clear.You just dont see it cause you read/watch sky which is pro israeli and read pro israeli papers. or you support the propaganda.To understand what is going on you have to dig deeper.thats why 60,000 people attended a march in london, mostly non muslims.what does that say..people are waking up to the truth.
brfcrules, blackburn says...
7:07pm Sat 10 Jan 09
john kenyon "rabbi a good beating?"
brfcrules, blackburn says...
7:10pm Sat 10 Jan 09
cast lead
we got our free oil "iraq" ha ha ha
we got our free oil "iraq" ha ha ha
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
7:10pm Sat 10 Jan 09
To: brfcrules,
You state that "Israel don't give us anything in return"
Here are a few things they gave us:
the first fully computerized,no-radi
ation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer
the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.
a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.
a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops.
The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola,
Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel
The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
The AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.
A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device,produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-fr
ee, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct - all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.
You state that Israel" caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble.... Bernard madoff give back our 50 billion dollars and may be we will let you kill more people.
Such statements mirror those of the far right (BNP) except the word Israel is simple code for jew.
Do you share the views of the BNP towards Israel and jews?
, instead caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble. Us tax payers are now having to save them with what little money we have left. The cheeky israelis flout international rules that our integrity is based on and sacrfied for, we gave them the "promised" land after rescuing them from hitler. Bernard madoff give back our 50 billion dollars and may be we will let you kill more people that live on the land that you believe is promised to you (vatican city italy and bradford
You state that "Israel don't give us anything in return"
Here are a few things they gave us:
the first fully computerized,no-radi
ation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer
the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.
a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.
a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops.
The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola,
Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel
The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
The AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.
A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device,produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-fr
ee, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct - all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.
You state that Israel" caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble.... Bernard madoff give back our 50 billion dollars and may be we will let you kill more people.
Such statements mirror those of the far right (BNP) except the word Israel is simple code for jew.
Do you share the views of the BNP towards Israel and jews?
, instead caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble. Us tax payers are now having to save them with what little money we have left. The cheeky israelis flout international rules that our integrity is based on and sacrfied for, we gave them the "promised" land after rescuing them from hitler. Bernard madoff give back our 50 billion dollars and may be we will let you kill more people that live on the land that you believe is promised to you (vatican city italy and bradford
easymonies, Disneyland says...
7:38pm Sat 10 Jan 09
brfcrules, blackburn says...
6:54pm Sat 10 Jan 09
us british are strong, immune and don't care for the death of women and children as collateral damage for protecting british interest. we never have done (unless they british). What i do protest is our honest hard urned money being spent on arms and war machines for israel interest.
Ummm, So when Iraq was purchasing british camaflage clothing, and materials for 'the big gun' and other weapons and when Saudi buys equipment designed and developed in the west and when Kuwait also purchases military technology from Britain and overseas, I don't see you condemning that, nor do I see you condemning Sadam H when he gased and gunned down all the innocent un-defended marsh curds in Iraq etc.....
Since when has Palestine been a British interest?
and you think you have your 'free oil' in Iraq. You are so misguided. What do you think is paying for the re-structuring of that country and paying for the medicines etc... It's not money, so it must be oil. A heavy price to pay I think.
I don't see you condemning your brothers in London who have wrecked somebodies business and smashed umpteen windows to try and get a point across.
The Israelis did not cause the credit crunch - that is an international problem.
You must be gutted as well that banks are starting to close one muslim 'charity' accounts which are proving to have links for terrorism.
You are so narrow minded.
6:54pm Sat 10 Jan 09
us british are strong, immune and don't care for the death of women and children as collateral damage for protecting british interest. we never have done (unless they british). What i do protest is our honest hard urned money being spent on arms and war machines for israel interest.
Ummm, So when Iraq was purchasing british camaflage clothing, and materials for 'the big gun' and other weapons and when Saudi buys equipment designed and developed in the west and when Kuwait also purchases military technology from Britain and overseas, I don't see you condemning that, nor do I see you condemning Sadam H when he gased and gunned down all the innocent un-defended marsh curds in Iraq etc.....
Since when has Palestine been a British interest?
and you think you have your 'free oil' in Iraq. You are so misguided. What do you think is paying for the re-structuring of that country and paying for the medicines etc... It's not money, so it must be oil. A heavy price to pay I think.
I don't see you condemning your brothers in London who have wrecked somebodies business and smashed umpteen windows to try and get a point across.
The Israelis did not cause the credit crunch - that is an international problem.
You must be gutted as well that banks are starting to close one muslim 'charity' accounts which are proving to have links for terrorism.
You are so narrow minded.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
7:38pm Sat 10 Jan 09
brfcrules wrote:"...What i do protest is our honest hard urned money being spent on arms and war machines for israel interest..."
us british are strong, immune and don't care for the death of women and children as collateral damage for protecting british interest. we never have done (unless they british). What i do protest is our honest hard urned money being spent on arms and war machines for israel interest. Israel don't give us anything in return, instead caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble. Us tax payers are now having to save them with what little money we have left. The cheeky israelis flout international rules that our integrity is based on and sacrfied for, we gave them the "promised" land after rescuing them from hitler. Bernard madoff give back our 50 billion dollars and may be we will let you kill more people that live on the land that you believe is promised to you (vatican city italy and bradford)
How uninformed and ignorant you are brfcrules, but don't let a few facts get in the way of your prejudices.
Israel doesn't need the UK. In fact it's a net investor IN the UK economy.
What is Israel's major export today? It's not Jaffa oranges anymore. It's actually medical technology.
Israeli medical technology saves more lives of people around the world per capita than any other country in the world.
For a country with so many wars, Israel still has an economy with the power to astonish.
It now has the most NASDAQ-listed companies after Canada and America.
Israel excels at creating start-ups, but its main natural resource is human capital.
Teva, another Israeli start up is the world's biggest generic-drugs maker.
In the other direction, global technology giants such as Intel have long been putting advanced production facilities like chip-wafer fabrication plants in Israel, but now other countries are nipping at its heels.
You see Israel invests in its people. It's economy is robust and its army is strong.
Unlike the Palestinians it doesn't waste its resources and use its people as pawns in the quest for global jihad.
Here's to the 3rd phase of Operation Cast Lead.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
7:48pm Sat 10 Jan 09
brfcrules wrote:"...Israel don't give us anything in return, instead caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble. ..."
us british are strong, immune and don't care for the death of women and children as collateral damage for protecting british interest. we never have done (unless they british). What i do protest is our honest hard urned money being spent on arms and war machines for israel interest. Israel don't give us anything in return, instead caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble. Us tax payers are now having to save them with what little money we have left. The cheeky israelis flout international rules that our integrity is based on and sacrfied for, we gave them the "promised" land after rescuing them from hitler. Bernard madoff give back our 50 billion dollars and may be we will let you kill more people that live on the land that you believe is promised to you (vatican city italy and bradford)
Your spelling is poor, your grammar is even worse.
You missed out the following:
The Zionists are responsible for the world's current ills and led the US into its disastrous war in Iraq. The Mossad was behind 9/11 and just about every other man-made and natural disaster since and before then. AIPAC and the Israel lobby are pulling the strings behind the US government. Jews no longer kidnap Christian babies to use their blood for matzot; they murder Arab babies with impunity. Jews don't poison the wells but rather Israel intentionally spreads disease among the Arabs.
Is that what they are preaching in your smelly mosques?
duke bar, burnley says...
7:54pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Just as predicted the scum bags are rioting again in London.One Policeman knocked out 2 others hurt.
Why dont these scum bags go and join their brothers in Gaza as your not welcome in the Uk.
Not sure how the Blackburn march went but i think we should ban these marches as it cause problems.
Why dont these scum bags go and join their brothers in Gaza as your not welcome in the Uk.
Not sure how the Blackburn march went but i think we should ban these marches as it cause problems.
moh, blackburn says...
7:55pm Sat 10 Jan 09
stopped seeing the news as so many innocent women and children being killed. heard earlier on that about hundred or so women. children and other civilians were hearded into a house and later shelled. what is the world coming to. we are in 2009.
duke bar, burnley says...
8:13pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Been watching the news for over 25 years.
Seen loads of innocent Israelis ,English ,Spanish ,Indonisian,Indian ,Americans blown up by terrorists.
I have never seen any marches about stopping these Terrorists.
Have you Moh?
Seen loads of innocent Israelis ,English ,Spanish ,Indonisian,Indian ,Americans blown up by terrorists.
I have never seen any marches about stopping these Terrorists.
Have you Moh?
moh, blackburn says...
8:33pm Sat 10 Jan 09
yES DUKE BAR, SEEN MANY MARCHES ON BOX INCLUDING WHEN BOSNIANS, VIETNAMEES AND OTHERS WERE BEING BOMBED. BY THE WAY NOT A HAMAS SUPPORTER. PICK ON SOMEONE ELSE.
Joepublicspeaking, Blackburn says...
9:22pm Sat 10 Jan 09
It is interesting to hear the deafening silence of our esteemed mp in respect of this issue-I doubt he will be canvassing opinions on his soap box from his constituents on this issue!If my memory serves me correct he held talks on the very issue whilst Foreign Secratary even though the Palestinian representative was prevented from attending by Israel!How many Palestinians will have to be killed before he has a view, or does his close ties to Labour Friends of Israel render him dumb?
duke bar, burnley says...
9:52pm Sat 10 Jan 09
moh wrote:What marches have you SEEN for the places i mentioned above?PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
yES DUKE BAR, SEEN MANY MARCHES ON BOX INCLUDING WHEN BOSNIANS, VIETNAMEES AND OTHERS WERE BEING BOMBED. BY THE WAY NOT A HAMAS SUPPORTER. PICK ON SOMEONE ELSE.
Yes there was marches against the Wars in Bosnia and Vietnam .
Yet to see any marches against terrorists.I am not picking on you dont be so soft. ha ha
duke bar, burnley says...
9:55pm Sat 10 Jan 09
Joepublicspeaking wrote:Jack the Rat Straws old boss is now the Middle East Peace Envoy.
It is interesting to hear the deafening silence of our esteemed mp in respect of this issue-I doubt he will be canvassing opinions on his soap box from his constituents on this issue!If my memory serves me correct he held talks on the very issue whilst Foreign Secratary even though the Palestinian representative was prevented from attending by Israel!How many Palestinians will have to be killed before he has a view, or does his close ties to Labour Friends of Israel render him dumb?
No wonder all hell is going on .Tony Blair could not run a bath.
duke bar, burnley says...
10:05pm Sat 10 Jan 09
How did the march go today?
Sorry i could not attend Yvonne.
Sorry i could not attend Yvonne.
huzayfapatel, says...
11:47pm Sat 10 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:I guess you dont understand what the point of demonstration.
moh wrote: yES DUKE BAR, SEEN MANY MARCHES ON BOX INCLUDING WHEN BOSNIANS, VIETNAMEES AND OTHERS WERE BEING BOMBED. BY THE WAY NOT A HAMAS SUPPORTER. PICK ON SOMEONE ELSE.What marches have you SEEN for the places i mentioned above?PLEASE LET ME KNOW. Yes there was marches against the Wars in Bosnia and Vietnam . Yet to see any marches against terrorists.I am not picking on you dont be so soft. ha ha
People demonstrate to effect change.
In this case, to ask for a change in the UK policy for supporting Israel, to ask for UK Government to do more and for the UK Government to put more pressure on Israel.
Government sees people demonstrating, they'll take a bit of notice.
Does demonstration change anything? Well in short term no, but it is just one action amongst many (Lobby, Campaign etc) that will eventually effect change. If not now definitely one day.
Now why would one demonstrate against a terrorist? For what??? Its like saying demonstrate against murder or demonstrate against rape???
Duh, you dont.
This is the typical response you get from the RIGHT when they see people march against War, which is, "did you march against terrorism?" And its a typical argument against Muslims, knowing its going to be a NO so they can then say, "You support Terrorism" thats why you didnt march.
brfcrules, blackburn says...
12:14am Sun 11 Jan 09
Brian Martin wrote:you forget my 60% tax payer + 15% tax on anything else you spend is that all the research is done on items that will bring the most revenue and sap the most public spending eg government IT projectsor the NHS. TEVA reduced the cost on all uk generic medicines resulting in the closure of UK pharmaceutical companies. Your right the world is more dependent on israelis and I agree that Israel is a religious state. The only religion that excludes others and murders for self preservation.
To: brfcrules,
You state that "Israel don't give us anything in return"
Here are a few things they gave us:
the first fully computerized,no-radi
ation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer
the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.
a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.
a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops.
The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola,
Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel
The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel.
Voice mail technology was developed in Israel.
The AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis.
A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device,produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-fr
ee, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct - all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue.
You state that Israel" caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble.... Bernard madoff give back our 50 billion dollars and may be we will let you kill more people.
Such statements mirror those of the far right (BNP) except the word Israel is simple code for jew.
Do you share the views of the BNP towards Israel and jews?
, instead caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble. Us tax payers are now having to save them with what little money we have left. The cheeky israelis flout international rules that our integrity is based on and sacrfied for, we gave them the "promised" land after rescuing them from hitler. Bernard madoff give back our 50 billion dollars and may be we will let you kill more people that live on the land that you believe is promised to you (vatican city italy and bradford
brfcrules, blackburn says...
12:19am Sun 11 Jan 09
easymonies wrote:the more we sell the more we make, the technology we sell will never be used against us, we not that stupid!
brfcrules, blackburn says...
6:54pm Sat 10 Jan 09
us british are strong, immune and don't care for the death of women and children as collateral damage for protecting british interest. we never have done (unless they british). What i do protest is our honest hard urned money being spent on arms and war machines for israel interest.
Ummm, So when Iraq was purchasing british camaflage clothing, and materials for 'the big gun' and other weapons and when Saudi buys equipment designed and developed in the west and when Kuwait also purchases military technology from Britain and overseas, I don't see you condemning that, nor do I see you condemning Sadam H when he gased and gunned down all the innocent un-defended marsh curds in Iraq etc.....
Since when has Palestine been a British interest?
and you think you have your 'free oil' in Iraq. You are so misguided. What do you think is paying for the re-structuring of that country and paying for the medicines etc... It's not money, so it must be oil. A heavy price to pay I think.
I don't see you condemning your brothers in London who have wrecked somebodies business and smashed umpteen windows to try and get a point across.
The Israelis did not cause the credit crunch - that is an international problem.
You must be gutted as well that banks are starting to close one muslim 'charity' accounts which are proving to have links for terrorism.
You are so narrow minded.
huzayfapatel, says...
12:22am Sun 11 Jan 09
Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, has called for "credible, independent and transparent" investigations into possible violations of humanitarian law, and singled out an incident this week in Zeitoun, south-east of Gaza City, where up to 30 Palestinians in one house were killed by Israeli shelling.
Pillay, a former international criminal court judge from South Africa, told the BBC the incident "appears to have all the elements of war crimes".
Pillay, a former international criminal court judge from South Africa, told the BBC the incident "appears to have all the elements of war crimes".
huzayfapatel, says...
12:24am Sun 11 Jan 09
It's time. Long past time. The best strategy to end the increasingly bloody occupation is for Israel to become the target of the kind of global movement that put an end to apartheid in South Africa. In July 2005 a huge coalition of Palestinian groups laid out plans to do just that. They called on "people of conscience all over the world to impose broad boycotts and implement divestment initiatives against Israel similar to those applied to South Africa in the apartheid era". The campaign Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions was born.
Every day that Israel pounds Gaza brings more converts to the BDS cause - even among Israeli Jews. In the midst of the assault roughly 500 Israelis, dozens of them well-known artists and scholars, sent a letter to foreign ambassadors in Israel. It calls for "the adoption of immediate restrictive measures and sanctions" and draws a clear parallel with the anti-apartheid struggle. "The boycott on South Africa was effective, but Israel is handled with kid gloves ... This international backing must stop."
Every day that Israel pounds Gaza brings more converts to the BDS cause - even among Israeli Jews. In the midst of the assault roughly 500 Israelis, dozens of them well-known artists and scholars, sent a letter to foreign ambassadors in Israel. It calls for "the adoption of immediate restrictive measures and sanctions" and draws a clear parallel with the anti-apartheid struggle. "The boycott on South Africa was effective, but Israel is handled with kid gloves ... This international backing must stop."
huzayfapatel, says...
12:28am Sun 11 Jan 09
THE HASBARA DIRECTIVE IS IN FULL FLOW HERE. THE ISRAEL PROPAGANDA IS HERE ON THE COMMENTS SECTION TRYING TO JUSTOFY ISRAELS BRUTALITY AND GENOCIDE.
One of the things that annoyed Israel about the second Lebanon war was that it ended prematurely – without a clean Israeli victory against Hezbollah. The Jewish state considered that this, in part, was the result of a lily-livered international community balking at the sight of more than 1,000 civilian deaths – not to mention the devastation of Lebanese infrastructure – and deciding that enough was enough. Consequently, one of the recommendations of an Israeli committee investigating the war was that Israel set up an information/propagan
da coordination body, to keep those pesky liberals on message even when bloody images of the victims of Israeli assaults were relayed across world media.
Israel's war on Gaza was the first time we saw the "hasbara" directive in action. A body set up to spin (or "explain", if you like) the country's justifications for the war, it tightly coordinated key messages and worked on so many levels – mainstream media as well as diplomatic channels, friendship leagues, YouTube, Twitter and the blogosphere – that the effect was epidemic. It got world media repeating the Israeli government's core messages practically verbatim. Those messages boil down to, and I'm paraphrasing here: "Hamas is a vile terrorist group; they started it, and you must support Israel's defensive war because we're civilised, just like you." For just one glimmer of the success rate, check how many of the US media talking heads collated by the Daily Show use the Israeli government's own analogy to explain the assaults on Gaza.
Palestinians didn't stand a chance against such coordination. Media monitors chastised the disproportionate use of Israel spokespeople over Palestinian ones in coverage of the assault. Campaigners gloomily forwarded emails with the message: "What we're up against." One email comprised a "language guide" issued by the Israel Project, advising supporters of how best to describe Hamas's "Iran-backed war on Israel". Another came from (or was forwarded by) an Israeli overseas mission, urging supporters to vote in a German newspaper's online poll on Gaza. The email warned that the longer the conflict continued, "more people here will be overwhelmed with mercy for poor Hamasnikkim". (For more on this, see here.)
Indeed, that's a core discussion within the Israeli media: how long have we got before the world forces us to stop? Reports, especially in the first week, comprised interviews with Israeli correspondents in Europe and the US commenting on how well the media had swallowed the Israeli message.
While Israeli PR is strong and strategic, Palestinian PR is hopeless. The rift between the Palestinian Authority (PA) in the West Bank and the Hamas government in Gaza means that there are no clear messages and no real capacity to counter Israeli officials. Mustafa Barghouti, an independent Palestinian MP and former information minister, holds this to be as a result of incompetence and a lack of political clarity. He says that Hamas don't know how to do media, while the PA "did not behave as it should, as a representative of all the Palestinian people. Their messages were either absent, weak or delayed". He laments the continued split between Fatah and Hamas. "They don't realise that in such a moment of crisis when their people are being slaughtered, they have to rise above it."
Palestinian commentators point to an obvious imbalance: Israel has barred foreign journalists from entering Gaza since the start of the war, effectively pulling the blinds over events within the strip. But Palestinian analyst Ghassan Khatib says there is another factor at play in the overall media skew. "Even if the Palestinian side came up with proper messages, Hamas has been successfully labelled by Israel as a terrorist group and is portrayed in the western media in a manner similar to al-Qaida," he says. As a result, western audiences are more prepared to sympathise with Israel – because it fits the "us or them" binary to which post 9/11 ears are attuned.
What all this shows us is how well Israel understands how western media works, how best to utilise its blind spots and prejudices. Israel clearly has the vision, the networking capacity and the resources to use world media to full effect. If I were the marketing manager of an ailing global product, I'd be taking notes. And we can only wonder what such talents could achieve if only the end goal were really peace, not war.
One of the things that annoyed Israel about the second Lebanon war was that it ended prematurely – without a clean Israeli victory against Hezbollah. The Jewish state considered that this, in part, was the result of a lily-livered international community balking at the sight of more than 1,000 civilian deaths – not to mention the devastation of Lebanese infrastructure – and deciding that enough was enough. Consequently, one of the recommendations of an Israeli committee investigating the war was that Israel set up an information/propagan
da coordination body, to keep those pesky liberals on message even when bloody images of the victims of Israeli assaults were relayed across world media.
Israel's war on Gaza was the first time we saw the "hasbara" directive in action. A body set up to spin (or "explain", if you like) the country's justifications for the war, it tightly coordinated key messages and worked on so many levels – mainstream media as well as diplomatic channels, friendship leagues, YouTube, Twitter and the blogosphere – that the effect was epidemic. It got world media repeating the Israeli government's core messages practically verbatim. Those messages boil down to, and I'm paraphrasing here: "Hamas is a vile terrorist group; they started it, and you must support Israel's defensive war because we're civilised, just like you." For just one glimmer of the success rate, check how many of the US media talking heads collated by the Daily Show use the Israeli government's own analogy to explain the assaults on Gaza.
Palestinians didn't stand a chance against such coordination. Media monitors chastised the disproportionate use of Israel spokespeople over Palestinian ones in coverage of the assault. Campaigners gloomily forwarded emails with the message: "What we're up against." One email comprised a "language guide" issued by the Israel Project, advising supporters of how best to describe Hamas's "Iran-backed war on Israel". Another came from (or was forwarded by) an Israeli overseas mission, urging supporters to vote in a German newspaper's online poll on Gaza. The email warned that the longer the conflict continued, "more people here will be overwhelmed with mercy for poor Hamasnikkim". (For more on this, see here.)
Indeed, that's a core discussion within the Israeli media: how long have we got before the world forces us to stop? Reports, especially in the first week, comprised interviews with Israeli correspondents in Europe and the US commenting on how well the media had swallowed the Israeli message.
While Israeli PR is strong and strategic, Palestinian PR is hopeless. The rift between the Palestinian Authority (PA) in the West Bank and the Hamas government in Gaza means that there are no clear messages and no real capacity to counter Israeli officials. Mustafa Barghouti, an independent Palestinian MP and former information minister, holds this to be as a result of incompetence and a lack of political clarity. He says that Hamas don't know how to do media, while the PA "did not behave as it should, as a representative of all the Palestinian people. Their messages were either absent, weak or delayed". He laments the continued split between Fatah and Hamas. "They don't realise that in such a moment of crisis when their people are being slaughtered, they have to rise above it."
Palestinian commentators point to an obvious imbalance: Israel has barred foreign journalists from entering Gaza since the start of the war, effectively pulling the blinds over events within the strip. But Palestinian analyst Ghassan Khatib says there is another factor at play in the overall media skew. "Even if the Palestinian side came up with proper messages, Hamas has been successfully labelled by Israel as a terrorist group and is portrayed in the western media in a manner similar to al-Qaida," he says. As a result, western audiences are more prepared to sympathise with Israel – because it fits the "us or them" binary to which post 9/11 ears are attuned.
What all this shows us is how well Israel understands how western media works, how best to utilise its blind spots and prejudices. Israel clearly has the vision, the networking capacity and the resources to use world media to full effect. If I were the marketing manager of an ailing global product, I'd be taking notes. And we can only wonder what such talents could achieve if only the end goal were really peace, not war.
gadjet_man, Blackburn says...
12:30am Sun 11 Jan 09
Some amazingly well informed people on this thread Brian Martin has fantastic knowledge of Israel its economy and its people, Im impressed you stand out in these 200 or so posts, the rest are just bickering, usual commoners having a go cos Asian's and Muslims are involved in this fiasco...
But you my man are amazing .. tell me your not from Blackburn are you ?
But you my man are amazing .. tell me your not from Blackburn are you ?
duke bar, burnley says...
12:30am Sun 11 Jan 09
huzayfapatel wrote:These marches make no difference at all who are you trying to kid.
duke bar wrote:I guess you dont understand what the point of demonstration. People demonstrate to effect change. In this case, to ask for a change in the UK policy for supporting Israel, to ask for UK Government to do more and for the UK Government to put more pressure on Israel. Government sees people demonstrating, they'll take a bit of notice. Does demonstration change anything? Well in short term no, but it is just one action amongst many (Lobby, Campaign etc) that will eventually effect change. If not now definitely one day. Now why would one demonstrate against a terrorist? For what??? Its like saying demonstrate against murder or demonstrate against rape??? Duh, you dont. This is the typical response you get from the RIGHT when they see people march against War, which is, "did you march against terrorism?" And its a typical argument against Muslims, knowing its going to be a NO so they can then say, "You support Terrorism" thats why you didnt march.moh wrote: yES DUKE BAR, SEEN MANY MARCHES ON BOX INCLUDING WHEN BOSNIANS, VIETNAMEES AND OTHERS WERE BEING BOMBED. BY THE WAY NOT A HAMAS SUPPORTER. PICK ON SOMEONE ELSE.What marches have you SEEN for the places i mentioned above?PLEASE LET ME KNOW. Yes there was marches against the Wars in Bosnia and Vietnam . Yet to see any marches against terrorists.I am not picking on you dont be so soft. ha ha
Remember the anti war in Iraq marches what did they do to stop the war .Nothing at all
These Demonstrations just cause problems a London Policeman was knocked unconcious today.This is shocking..
Yes why not Demonstrate against Terrorists!Is it because most of them are Muslim THAT YOU DO NOT DEMONSTRATE.
We dont want to upset the boys at mosque do we.
Go and march for this Policeman who has been hurt today for doing his job.
huzayfapatel, says...
12:58am Sun 11 Jan 09
duke bar wrote:Question to you DUKE and others who against the demonstration.
huzayfapatel wrote:These marches make no difference at all who are you trying to kid. Remember the anti war in Iraq marches what did they do to stop the war .Nothing at all These Demonstrations just cause problems a London Policeman was knocked unconcious today.This is shocking.. Yes why not Demonstrate against Terrorists!Is it because most of them are Muslim THAT YOU DO NOT DEMONSTRATE. We dont want to upset the boys at mosque do we. Go and march for this Policeman who has been hurt today for doing his job.duke bar wrote:I guess you dont understand what the point of demonstration. People demonstrate to effect change. In this case, to ask for a change in the UK policy for supporting Israel, to ask for UK Government to do more and for the UK Government to put more pressure on Israel. Government sees people demonstrating, they'll take a bit of notice. Does demonstration change anything? Well in short term no, but it is just one action amongst many (Lobby, Campaign etc) that will eventually effect change. If not now definitely one day. Now why would one demonstrate against a terrorist? For what??? Its like saying demonstrate against murder or demonstrate against rape??? Duh, you dont. This is the typical response you get from the RIGHT when they see people march against War, which is, "did you march against terrorism?" And its a typical argument against Muslims, knowing its going to be a NO so they can then say, "You support Terrorism" thats why you didnt march.moh wrote: yES DUKE BAR, SEEN MANY MARCHES ON BOX INCLUDING WHEN BOSNIANS, VIETNAMEES AND OTHERS WERE BEING BOMBED. BY THE WAY NOT A HAMAS SUPPORTER. PICK ON SOMEONE ELSE.What marches have you SEEN for the places i mentioned above?PLEASE LET ME KNOW. Yes there was marches against the Wars in Bosnia and Vietnam . Yet to see any marches against terrorists.I am not picking on you dont be so soft. ha ha
WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE BOMBING OF THE UN SCHOOL IN GAZA WHICH KILLED 42 INNOCENT CIVILIANS?
WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE KILLING OF THE 30 INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE HOUSE THAT WAS SHELLED BY ISRAEL?
WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE FILLING OF THE 5 SISTERS FROM THE SAME FAMILY?
You against the demonstration and you and your cronies have been supporting Israel. So answer the above.
You support killing of innocent people do you?
huzayfapatel, says...
1:06am Sun 11 Jan 09
gadjet_man wrote:Brian Martin is part of the Hasbara thats why. You know what that is? Its the Israeli Propaganda War to make Israel look like the victim and make Israel to be similar to other countries that is fighting terror.
Some amazingly well informed people on this thread Brian Martin has fantastic knowledge of Israel its economy and its people, Im impressed you stand out in these 200 or so posts, the rest are just bickering, usual commoners having a go cos Asian's and Muslims are involved in this fiasco... But you my man are amazing .. tell me your not from Blackburn are you ?
He's here to show how brilliant Israel is so it makes people feel Israel is normal and make teh Arabs seem as animals and backwards.
Read this article from Rachel Shabr. She is a author, a jewish woman and is from Tel Aviv.
http://www.guardian.
co.uk/commentisfree/
2009/jan/10/gaza-isr
ael-media
Brian may say he's local but I bet you, he is not.
matureoak, blackburn says...
1:18am Sun 11 Jan 09
All you that support Irahell and blindly believe what the mass media reports - You are already under Israeli occupation.
matureoak, blackburn says...
1:21am Sun 11 Jan 09
NEARLY everything you’ve been led to believe about Gaza is wrong. Below are a few essential points that seem to be missing from the conversation, much of which has taken place in the press, about Israel’s attack on the Gaza Strip.
THE GAZANS Most of the people living in Gaza are not there by choice. The majority of the 1.5 million people crammed into the roughly 140 square miles of the Gaza Strip belong to families that came from towns and villages outside Gaza like Ashkelon and Beersheba. They were driven to Gaza by the Israeli Army in 1948.
THE OCCUPATION The Gazans have lived under Israeli occupation since the Six-Day War in 1967. Israel is still widely considered to be an occupying power, even though it removed its troops and settlers from the strip in 2005. Israel still controls access to the area, imports and exports, and the movement of people in and out. Israel has control over Gaza’s air space and sea coast, and its forces enter the area at will. As the occupying power, Israel has the responsibility under the Fourth Geneva Convention to see to the welfare of the civilian population of the Gaza Strip.
THE BLOCKADE Israel’s blockade of the strip, with the support of the United States and the European Union, has grown increasingly stringent since Hamas won the Palestinian Legislative Council elections in January 2006. Fuel, electricity, imports, exports and the movement of people in and out of the Strip have been slowly choked off, leading to life-threatening problems of sanitation, health, water supply and transportation.
The blockade has subjected many to unemployment, penury and malnutrition. This amounts to the collective punishment — with the tacit support of the United States — of a civilian population for exercising its democratic rights.
THE CEASE-FIRE Lifting the blockade, along with a cessation of rocket fire, was one of the key terms of the June cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. This accord led to a reduction in rockets fired from Gaza from hundreds in May and June to a total of less than 20 in the subsequent four months (according to Israeli government figures). The cease-fire broke down when Israeli forces launched major air and ground attacks in early November; six Hamas operatives were reported killed.
WAR CRIMES The targeting of civilians, whether by Hamas or by Israel, is potentially a war crime. Every human life is precious. But the numbers speak for themselves: Nearly 700 Palestinians, most of them civilians, have been killed since the conflict broke out at the end of last year. In contrast, there have been around a dozen Israelis killed, many of them soldiers. Negotiation is a much more effective way to deal with rockets and other forms of violence. This might have been able to happen had Israel fulfilled the terms of the June cease-fire and lifted its blockade of the Gaza Strip.
This war on the people of Gaza isn’t really about rockets. Nor is it about “restoring Israel’s deterrence,” as the Israeli press might have you believe. Far more revealing are the words of Moshe Yaalon, then the Israeli Defense Forces chief of staff, in 2002: “The Palestinians must be made to understand in the deepest recesses of their consciousness that they are a defeated people.”
THE GAZANS Most of the people living in Gaza are not there by choice. The majority of the 1.5 million people crammed into the roughly 140 square miles of the Gaza Strip belong to families that came from towns and villages outside Gaza like Ashkelon and Beersheba. They were driven to Gaza by the Israeli Army in 1948.
THE OCCUPATION The Gazans have lived under Israeli occupation since the Six-Day War in 1967. Israel is still widely considered to be an occupying power, even though it removed its troops and settlers from the strip in 2005. Israel still controls access to the area, imports and exports, and the movement of people in and out. Israel has control over Gaza’s air space and sea coast, and its forces enter the area at will. As the occupying power, Israel has the responsibility under the Fourth Geneva Convention to see to the welfare of the civilian population of the Gaza Strip.
THE BLOCKADE Israel’s blockade of the strip, with the support of the United States and the European Union, has grown increasingly stringent since Hamas won the Palestinian Legislative Council elections in January 2006. Fuel, electricity, imports, exports and the movement of people in and out of the Strip have been slowly choked off, leading to life-threatening problems of sanitation, health, water supply and transportation.
The blockade has subjected many to unemployment, penury and malnutrition. This amounts to the collective punishment — with the tacit support of the United States — of a civilian population for exercising its democratic rights.
THE CEASE-FIRE Lifting the blockade, along with a cessation of rocket fire, was one of the key terms of the June cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. This accord led to a reduction in rockets fired from Gaza from hundreds in May and June to a total of less than 20 in the subsequent four months (according to Israeli government figures). The cease-fire broke down when Israeli forces launched major air and ground attacks in early November; six Hamas operatives were reported killed.
WAR CRIMES The targeting of civilians, whether by Hamas or by Israel, is potentially a war crime. Every human life is precious. But the numbers speak for themselves: Nearly 700 Palestinians, most of them civilians, have been killed since the conflict broke out at the end of last year. In contrast, there have been around a dozen Israelis killed, many of them soldiers. Negotiation is a much more effective way to deal with rockets and other forms of violence. This might have been able to happen had Israel fulfilled the terms of the June cease-fire and lifted its blockade of the Gaza Strip.
This war on the people of Gaza isn’t really about rockets. Nor is it about “restoring Israel’s deterrence,” as the Israeli press might have you believe. Far more revealing are the words of Moshe Yaalon, then the Israeli Defense Forces chief of staff, in 2002: “The Palestinians must be made to understand in the deepest recesses of their consciousness that they are a defeated people.”
duke bar, burnley says...
1:54am Sun 11 Jan 09
huzayfapatel wrote:No one would have been hurt or killed had Hamas not fired rockets at Israel at Christmas time.
duke bar wrote:Question to you DUKE and others who against the demonstration. WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE BOMBING OF THE UN SCHOOL IN GAZA WHICH KILLED 42 INNOCENT CIVILIANS? WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE KILLING OF THE 30 INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE HOUSE THAT WAS SHELLED BY ISRAEL? WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THE FILLING OF THE 5 SISTERS FROM THE SAME FAMILY? You against the demonstration and you and your cronies have been supporting Israel. So answer the above. You support killing of innocent people do you?huzayfapatel wrote:These marches make no difference at all who are you trying to kid. Remember the anti war in Iraq marches what did they do to stop the war .Nothing at all These Demonstrations just cause problems a London Policeman was knocked unconcious today.This is shocking.. Yes why not Demonstrate against Terrorists!Is it because most of them are Muslim THAT YOU DO NOT DEMONSTRATE. We dont want to upset the boys at mosque do we. Go and march for this Policeman who has been hurt today for doing his job.duke bar wrote:I guess you dont understand what the point of demonstration. People demonstrate to effect change. In this case, to ask for a change in the UK policy for supporting Israel, to ask for UK Government to do more and for the UK Government to put more pressure on Israel. Government sees people demonstrating, they'll take a bit of notice. Does demonstration change anything? Well in short term no, but it is just one action amongst many (Lobby, Campaign etc) that will eventually effect change. If not now definitely one day. Now why would one demonstrate against a terrorist? For what??? Its like saying demonstrate against murder or demonstrate against rape??? Duh, you dont. This is the typical response you get from the RIGHT when they see people march against War, which is, "did you march against terrorism?" And its a typical argument against Muslims, knowing its going to be a NO so they can then say, "You support Terrorism" thats why you didnt march.moh wrote: yES DUKE BAR, SEEN MANY MARCHES ON BOX INCLUDING WHEN BOSNIANS, VIETNAMEES AND OTHERS WERE BEING BOMBED. BY THE WAY NOT A HAMAS SUPPORTER. PICK ON SOMEONE ELSE.What marches have you SEEN for the places i mentioned above?PLEASE LET ME KNOW. Yes there was marches against the Wars in Bosnia and Vietnam . Yet to see any marches against terrorists.I am not picking on you dont be so soft. ha ha
They were warned to stop and they did not .So Hamas are to Blame.
Not nice to see dead children not at all this is very sad.
.
Lanc's Lad, says...
3:24am Sun 11 Jan 09
I was at the London march today... with an actual attendance of over a hundred Thousand. with the bbc saying it was 50.000 and the police who were saying it was 12.000.
First i saw A Christian choir yes a Christian Choir singing for the people of Palestine, All of them British white ladies singing at the top of their voice's in the middle of the road standing on a traffic island as the protesters went past, it was "Heavenly".
I saw a white man standing hand cuffed to a fence chanting "Free Free Palestine" with the face mask of Tony Blair, a suit and a placard read "TONY BLIAR"
WAR CRIMINAL.
I viewed the starting of the riot and how it started. Young Muslims were throwing shoes at the gates of the Israeli embassy although they could not hit the buildings as it was set further back in the compound, the people who were throwing from the back of the crowd hit the old style lantern lights that were set on the either side of the piller's, the glass panes on them shattered that's when the riot police who were standing at a reasonable distance inside the compound came out and lined up outside the gate. They came charging with their shield's at the youngsters who were standing at the front and pushed them back with brutal force that in turn caused a ripple affect to about half way to the other side of the street. Men, women and children felt it with some falling over and injuring themselves. Now the thing to think about is if these people were so much of a threat why were there only six riot officer's come out to face the crowd of about seventy five who were standing directly outside the gates.
Someone commented that if your so worried about the Palestinians go to Gaza. The reason we are protesting on their behalf is they don't have a voice the BBC is not allowed into Gaza but they still report that the people of Israel are "just" defending themselves, the thing is they are not allowed into the Gaza to report what actions the Palestinians are doing to deserve this, so how are they reporting this action as Defence.
Someone also said that hamas is rocketing Sderot that is what you hear in the news but do the media mention that Sderot was allocated to the Palestinian people, and that Israel built the wall and kept it on their side of the wall.
Most of the protest today was peaceful with people coming from all walks of life Muslims,Christians,J
ews,Atheists and from all over the UK, this included people who were Indian, Pakistani, White, Chinese, European, Middle eastern and all marched together old and young in solidarity for the Palestinian people, It was an amazing feeling all these people for one thing that is close to their heart and that is killing of innocent men, women and children chanting "Free Free Palestine", "Shame on you" Shame on you" and a few others you'll probably see clips of them on Youtube in a few days or so from the crowds.
Now back to these young Muslims starting this "RIOT" they are protesting because the see an injustice going on, they already have this anger raging through them but they were protesting peacefully, When this incident happened with the riot police that pushed them and they took their anger out on them, i say better to have this anger come out this way then some radical Muslim do far worse damage and you all know what i'm getting at.
One last thing before i go, someone also mentioned something about calling Palestinians my brothers and sisters and today i had the pleasure of truly finding out what that means because today i protested with my Brother's and Sister's from all and no religions and every shade of skin color.
Truly Those are my brother's and sister's.
Sorry for any spelling and grammar mistakes as i have been up for about 22 hours.
Palestine we will see you to freedom...
First i saw A Christian choir yes a Christian Choir singing for the people of Palestine, All of them British white ladies singing at the top of their voice's in the middle of the road standing on a traffic island as the protesters went past, it was "Heavenly".
I saw a white man standing hand cuffed to a fence chanting "Free Free Palestine" with the face mask of Tony Blair, a suit and a placard read "TONY BLIAR"
WAR CRIMINAL.
I viewed the starting of the riot and how it started. Young Muslims were throwing shoes at the gates of the Israeli embassy although they could not hit the buildings as it was set further back in the compound, the people who were throwing from the back of the crowd hit the old style lantern lights that were set on the either side of the piller's, the glass panes on them shattered that's when the riot police who were standing at a reasonable distance inside the compound came out and lined up outside the gate. They came charging with their shield's at the youngsters who were standing at the front and pushed them back with brutal force that in turn caused a ripple affect to about half way to the other side of the street. Men, women and children felt it with some falling over and injuring themselves. Now the thing to think about is if these people were so much of a threat why were there only six riot officer's come out to face the crowd of about seventy five who were standing directly outside the gates.
Someone commented that if your so worried about the Palestinians go to Gaza. The reason we are protesting on their behalf is they don't have a voice the BBC is not allowed into Gaza but they still report that the people of Israel are "just" defending themselves, the thing is they are not allowed into the Gaza to report what actions the Palestinians are doing to deserve this, so how are they reporting this action as Defence.
Someone also said that hamas is rocketing Sderot that is what you hear in the news but do the media mention that Sderot was allocated to the Palestinian people, and that Israel built the wall and kept it on their side of the wall.
Most of the protest today was peaceful with people coming from all walks of life Muslims,Christians,J
ews,Atheists and from all over the UK, this included people who were Indian, Pakistani, White, Chinese, European, Middle eastern and all marched together old and young in solidarity for the Palestinian people, It was an amazing feeling all these people for one thing that is close to their heart and that is killing of innocent men, women and children chanting "Free Free Palestine", "Shame on you" Shame on you" and a few others you'll probably see clips of them on Youtube in a few days or so from the crowds.
Now back to these young Muslims starting this "RIOT" they are protesting because the see an injustice going on, they already have this anger raging through them but they were protesting peacefully, When this incident happened with the riot police that pushed them and they took their anger out on them, i say better to have this anger come out this way then some radical Muslim do far worse damage and you all know what i'm getting at.
One last thing before i go, someone also mentioned something about calling Palestinians my brothers and sisters and today i had the pleasure of truly finding out what that means because today i protested with my Brother's and Sister's from all and no religions and every shade of skin color.
Truly Those are my brother's and sister's.
Sorry for any spelling and grammar mistakes as i have been up for about 22 hours.
Palestine we will see you to freedom...
easymonies, Disneyland says...
3:41am Sun 11 Jan 09
Firstly, I don't condone the killing of children and women, nor of men folk. but when Hamas use the very same as suicide bombers to me Hamas have no scruples either.
I do object to people who smash other peoples lives to bits and who cannot have a 'peaceful' march without violence. the very same who will be protesting today in Blackburn As for the Geordie tart Allah may look down on her but she aint going to get any virgins when she passes. She and her rantings are what we don't want in Blackburn because we know she will set the sheep off.
On another note it is nice to see a thread going for so long and the LET not wiping most of the posts off. Well done LET and thank you.
As for the people who post here who sit in their cosy little rooms watching the TV or going to the mosque and being brain washed on how the west is a horrible place to be in. Before you spout, perhaps you should be involved in a war. Seriously it does change your outlook in life. It changed mine.
But being a realist I also understand why wars happen hence why they continue and will continue.
Lastly, it was nice to see the police in London herding the protesters together, then bringing them out one by one and photographed them. Yhen their details for the future when they have watched all the film that was taken from CCTV.
I do object to people who smash other peoples lives to bits and who cannot have a 'peaceful' march without violence. the very same who will be protesting today in Blackburn As for the Geordie tart Allah may look down on her but she aint going to get any virgins when she passes. She and her rantings are what we don't want in Blackburn because we know she will set the sheep off.
On another note it is nice to see a thread going for so long and the LET not wiping most of the posts off. Well done LET and thank you.
As for the people who post here who sit in their cosy little rooms watching the TV or going to the mosque and being brain washed on how the west is a horrible place to be in. Before you spout, perhaps you should be involved in a war. Seriously it does change your outlook in life. It changed mine.
But being a realist I also understand why wars happen hence why they continue and will continue.
Lastly, it was nice to see the police in London herding the protesters together, then bringing them out one by one and photographed them. Yhen their details for the future when they have watched all the film that was taken from CCTV.
brfcrules, blackburn says...
9:40am Sun 11 Jan 09
easymonies wrote:you love the war and indiscriminate killing really, we can sell more arms, create more suicide bombers, more reason for war and more selling arms. easy money for easymonies ha ha ha (you know what I mean)
Firstly, I don't condone the killing of children and women, nor of men folk. but when Hamas use the very same as suicide bombers to me Hamas have no scruples either.
I do object to people who smash other peoples lives to bits and who cannot have a 'peaceful' march without violence. the very same who will be protesting today in Blackburn As for the Geordie tart Allah may look down on her but she aint going to get any virgins when she passes. She and her rantings are what we don't want in Blackburn because we know she will set the sheep off.
On another note it is nice to see a thread going for so long and the LET not wiping most of the posts off. Well done LET and thank you.
As for the people who post here who sit in their cosy little rooms watching the TV or going to the mosque and being brain washed on how the west is a horrible place to be in. Before you spout, perhaps you should be involved in a war. Seriously it does change your outlook in life. It changed mine.
But being a realist I also understand why wars happen hence why they continue and will continue.
Lastly, it was nice to see the police in London herding the protesters together, then bringing them out one by one and photographed them. Yhen their details for the future when they have watched all the film that was taken from CCTV.
RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
9:56am Sun 11 Jan 09
im having a whip round..sponsor a isreal rocket got 3/4 of england backing me...hamas TERROISTS simple as,palstinans voted them in...NOW PAY FOR IT..the kids died because hamas wanted them too,for the worlds media...its a shame on the kids,dont blame isreal..BLAME THE TERROIST typical of extreamists
Imraan_Blackburn, Blackburn says...
9:57am Sun 11 Jan 09
Sallams All, Peace to All.
I am looking forward to a peacful march on Sunday. Would love to see a massive turnout, love to see all communites take part peacefully. Killing innocent people is wrong !! whatever their colour, faith and nationallity.
I am looking forward to a peacful march on Sunday. Would love to see a massive turnout, love to see all communites take part peacefully. Killing innocent people is wrong !! whatever their colour, faith and nationallity.
yamthejam, blackburn says...
10:14am Sun 11 Jan 09
If you believe then go to the march...if you dont then dont go. If you want to have a march about something else you believe in then organize a march for that. SIMPLE
Dont moan and grumble what other people are doing because they care and believe.
Dont moan and grumble what other people are doing because they care and believe.
Cluster Bomb, Blackburn says...
11:57am Sun 11 Jan 09
I'm astonished how some people believe this has nothing to do with the people of Blackburn. This has everything to do with our community.
I as, not only a resident of the town, but as a concerned human being deplore the disgusting crimes the Israeli armed forces are perpetrating on the civilian community in Gaza. These barbaric crimes shouldn't outrage people just because they may be touched first hand in some unfortunate way, they should outrage people everywhere. Wouldn't we demand the same sort of human empathy and support if it was Blackburn people on the receiving end of such horror.
Come on people of the UK, wake up and show your humanity!
I as, not only a resident of the town, but as a concerned human being deplore the disgusting crimes the Israeli armed forces are perpetrating on the civilian community in Gaza. These barbaric crimes shouldn't outrage people just because they may be touched first hand in some unfortunate way, they should outrage people everywhere. Wouldn't we demand the same sort of human empathy and support if it was Blackburn people on the receiving end of such horror.
Come on people of the UK, wake up and show your humanity!
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:05pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Basically you're a professional demonstrator aren't you Lancslad?
Try looking for a job. Working is beneficial to society.
Try looking for a job. Working is beneficial to society.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:10pm Sun 11 Jan 09
sofia wrote:Indeed...
Yvonne i will be attending the protest and look forward to yours and laurens speech. I attended the protest in preston last weekend. Keep up the good work, its nice to know someone cares!
You ask me if I love you
And I choke on my reply
I would rather hurt you honestly
Than mislead you with a lie
And who am I to judge you
On what you say or do?
I am only just beginning to see the real you
And sometimes when we touch
The honesty´s too much
And I´ve to close my eyes & hide
I want to hold you til I die
Til we both break down & cry
I want to hold you until the fear in me subsides
Romance & all its strategy
Leaves me battling with my pride
But through the insecurity
Some tenderness survives
I am just another writer
Still trapped within my truth
A hesitant prize fighter
Still trapped within my youth
And sometimes when we touch
The honesty´s too much
And I´ve to close my eyes & hide
I want to hold you til I die
Til we both break down & cry
I want to hold you until the fear in me subsides
At times I would like to break you
And drive you to your knees
At times I would like to break through
And hold you endlessly
At times I understand you
And I know how hard you have tried
I have watched while love commands you
And I have watched love pass you by
At times I think we are drifters
Still searching for a friend
A brother or a sister
But then the passion flares again
And sometimes when we touch
The honesty´s too much
And I´ve to close my eyes & hide
I want to hold you til I die
Til we both break down & cry
I want to hold you until the fear in me subsides.......
Lanc's Lad, says...
12:52pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
12:05pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Basically you're a professional demonstrator aren't you Lancslad?
Try looking for a job. Working is beneficial to society.
Thanks but i already have a profession in the IT industry and its going great, and i also have a heart unlike some.
12:05pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Basically you're a professional demonstrator aren't you Lancslad?
Try looking for a job. Working is beneficial to society.
Thanks but i already have a profession in the IT industry and its going great, and i also have a heart unlike some.
Lanc's Lad, says...
12:54pm Sun 11 Jan 09
From the river to the sea Palestine will be free...
Free free Palestine.
Free free Palestine.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
1:07pm Sun 11 Jan 09
The majority of those Israelis who passionately believe that the Palestinians should have their own state, and that the West Bank should be handed over to them, are convinced there was no choice for their government but to act as it has over the past fortnight.
It was no longer just Sderot which was taking hits from the Qassams, and where parents would not let their children play outdoors.
The Iranian-supplied Hamas ordnance was becoming ever wider in its range. Ashkelon (which incidentally supplies all of Gaza’s electricity) and even the city of Beer-sheba are now reachable targets, and more than 800,000 Israelis the potential victims.
Go and demonstrate your support for the Hamas thugs. Iran and Al Qaida need useful idiots like you.
It was no longer just Sderot which was taking hits from the Qassams, and where parents would not let their children play outdoors.
The Iranian-supplied Hamas ordnance was becoming ever wider in its range. Ashkelon (which incidentally supplies all of Gaza’s electricity) and even the city of Beer-sheba are now reachable targets, and more than 800,000 Israelis the potential victims.
Go and demonstrate your support for the Hamas thugs. Iran and Al Qaida need useful idiots like you.
ams455, Blackburn says...
1:52pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Fact: Israel illegally occupies palestinian lands
Fact: Israel practices collective punishments against communities in breach of international law
Fact: Israel ignores all UN resolutions
if someone foced themselves into your living room, will not leave (Police - international community) dont help, then the invader stops you going into your kitchen, restricts water, gas, electric to you - what do you do
if in addition the invader has F16's, helicopter gunships, armoured tanks, patriot missiles, latest military hardware (4th largest army in world) - and is using them to beat the hell out of your kids and your mum and dad and gradparents everytime they approach,
and all you have are some home made, totally unreliable missiles (only 5% of the rockets actually hit anything! - wrong as it is)
what would you do?
if unlike other areas where people can "escape", here you cannot go through Rafah crossing, you cannot go into israel - that only leaves going into the sea! - where do you go?
Hamas is wrong to target civilians -and all muslims will accept this - they have also accepted that suicide bombers are wrong
Will the Jews now publicly accept that 10 killed versus 800 is not a war but a massacre?
will the jews now accept publicly that they are an illegal occupying force?
will the Jews now accept that they they have made "concentration camps in Gaza" (VATICAN)
What options do Telegraph readers offer? - lie down and die? give israel all the land and become slaves - but the dont want slaves - they want them out - where to?
PS USA / UK - lets also go to Zimbabwe - lets go to all parts of the world where HUMANS are OPPRESSED including Tibet - not just where OIL is! - pps thats why there no UN resolutions against other middle east states - because they are muppets (puppets) and do as the USA says - if you stay on their side, they will leave you alone, speak out - and youe're out!
GOD Bless all mankind
Fact: Israel practices collective punishments against communities in breach of international law
Fact: Israel ignores all UN resolutions
if someone foced themselves into your living room, will not leave (Police - international community) dont help, then the invader stops you going into your kitchen, restricts water, gas, electric to you - what do you do
if in addition the invader has F16's, helicopter gunships, armoured tanks, patriot missiles, latest military hardware (4th largest army in world) - and is using them to beat the hell out of your kids and your mum and dad and gradparents everytime they approach,
and all you have are some home made, totally unreliable missiles (only 5% of the rockets actually hit anything! - wrong as it is)
what would you do?
if unlike other areas where people can "escape", here you cannot go through Rafah crossing, you cannot go into israel - that only leaves going into the sea! - where do you go?
Hamas is wrong to target civilians -and all muslims will accept this - they have also accepted that suicide bombers are wrong
Will the Jews now publicly accept that 10 killed versus 800 is not a war but a massacre?
will the jews now accept publicly that they are an illegal occupying force?
will the Jews now accept that they they have made "concentration camps in Gaza" (VATICAN)
What options do Telegraph readers offer? - lie down and die? give israel all the land and become slaves - but the dont want slaves - they want them out - where to?
PS USA / UK - lets also go to Zimbabwe - lets go to all parts of the world where HUMANS are OPPRESSED including Tibet - not just where OIL is! - pps thats why there no UN resolutions against other middle east states - because they are muppets (puppets) and do as the USA says - if you stay on their side, they will leave you alone, speak out - and youe're out!
GOD Bless all mankind
ditta, blackburn says...
2:13pm Sun 11 Jan 09
we will stand together, for the inocent children who are suffering, those who are aganst it shows they are ignorant and selfish beings!
ditta, blackburn says...
2:20pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Its appears to me that those who disagree with the march in blackburn, are simply wasiting they own time leaving silly comments, bec no matter what we will stand as one for those who are right now in pain.it will grow we will become stronger, untill there is peace!
Brian Martin, Blackburn says...
2:36pm Sun 11 Jan 09
To: huzayfapatel
You state that I am "part of the Hasbara....the Israeli Propaganda War to make Israel look like the victim and make Israel to be similar to other countries that is fighting terror.He's here to show how brilliant Israel is so it makes people feel Israel is normal and make teh Arabs seem as animals and backwards...may say he's local but I bet you, he is not"
For your information I used to live in Blackburn and still like to read the LET and follow Rovers results
I now live in London
As for being part of the "Israeli Propaganda War", I suggest you read my postings and defeat each and every argumement i have made and di-prove the statements that I claim to be facts.
If you can do that, then other contributors may take your accusations seriously. However you will find that I have researched my facts and that much as you detest my postings, you cannot defeat my arguments.
You may also be interested to know that I have visited Bethlehem, Nazereth and the Via de Da Rosa and found a stark contrast between the Israeli attitude and that of the Palestinians . The Israelis were developing a modern vibrant infrastructure (schools, hospitals etc) whereas the Palestinians were squandering the millions of dollars of UN and EU funds. Their brethren in Jordan and Lebanon etc are happy to leave them in squalor because that way they can blame Israel for their own failings.
base my views on the time I spent
You state that I am "part of the Hasbara....the Israeli Propaganda War to make Israel look like the victim and make Israel to be similar to other countries that is fighting terror.He's here to show how brilliant Israel is so it makes people feel Israel is normal and make teh Arabs seem as animals and backwards...may say he's local but I bet you, he is not"
For your information I used to live in Blackburn and still like to read the LET and follow Rovers results
I now live in London
As for being part of the "Israeli Propaganda War", I suggest you read my postings and defeat each and every argumement i have made and di-prove the statements that I claim to be facts.
If you can do that, then other contributors may take your accusations seriously. However you will find that I have researched my facts and that much as you detest my postings, you cannot defeat my arguments.
You may also be interested to know that I have visited Bethlehem, Nazereth and the Via de Da Rosa and found a stark contrast between the Israeli attitude and that of the Palestinians . The Israelis were developing a modern vibrant infrastructure (schools, hospitals etc) whereas the Palestinians were squandering the millions of dollars of UN and EU funds. Their brethren in Jordan and Lebanon etc are happy to leave them in squalor because that way they can blame Israel for their own failings.
base my views on the time I spent
RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
2:38pm Sun 11 Jan 09
just seen pro isreal march on t.v...union jacks being waved with star of david..good on them true patriots...you wont get palestinans waving union jacks..get rid of labour,get rid of all our probs...what other government would put up with these benfit claiming protesters behaving like this!!?
babycakes2k, Blackburn says...
2:55pm Sun 11 Jan 09
I am always amazed at how much time and effort, people put into posting comments on here! It's quite simple. ANYONE has the right to freedom of speech. There is a protest (irrelevant of whether you think there should be one or not) - noone is being forced to go. If you don't agree with it, stay away. Don't you people have lives? You enter into such complicated and lengthy discussions with no real purpose. Protests have been held all over the UK and lots of other parts of the world, not just Blackburn! The majority of the people at these protests are not muslims, just people who disagree with the barbaric killing of innocent children... and these people would disagree with these killings, no matter which country these children belonged to. Muslim or non muslim. Just hold your kids close and be glad that these killings are so far away. The very least we can do is condemn them. Not because they're palestinian, because they're children. You should all be ashmed of yourselves if you don't. I for one, do have a life so people can respond to my comments how they wish. I won't see them as I doubt I will have time to log on again for at least a few weeks!
ams455, Blackburn says...
3:03pm Sun 11 Jan 09
could anyone explain to me who were the worlds first suicide bombers? - way before any islamist bombers - were they not the jews who blew themselves up and killed numerous BRITISH service men. blew up BRITISH bases - why? - becaus they wanted their own homeland - sound familiar?
Saddam - mudererer, toturer invades kuwait and is rightly routed by the international community - israel invades lebanon - again and again - what happened? nowt!
Iran wants nuclear energy - what happens? - Embargoes, UN resolutions, talk of invasion / air strikes by Israil (why Israel?)
Israel is a nuclear power, NOT signed up to international monitoring - nobody bats eyelid
is it me or is it a parallal universe i live in?
dont get me wrong - there are lots of dictators out there, Christian and Muslim but if they are on "OUR SIDE" then its ok?
if China does wrong, will USA (can USA) do anything? eg Tibet?
Saddam - mudererer, toturer invades kuwait and is rightly routed by the international community - israel invades lebanon - again and again - what happened? nowt!
Iran wants nuclear energy - what happens? - Embargoes, UN resolutions, talk of invasion / air strikes by Israil (why Israel?)
Israel is a nuclear power, NOT signed up to international monitoring - nobody bats eyelid
is it me or is it a parallal universe i live in?
dont get me wrong - there are lots of dictators out there, Christian and Muslim but if they are on "OUR SIDE" then its ok?
if China does wrong, will USA (can USA) do anything? eg Tibet?
duke bar, burnley says...
4:28pm Sun 11 Jan 09
ams455 wrote:Just done a google search.AMS.
could anyone explain to me who were the worlds first suicide bombers? - way before any islamist bombers - were they not the jews who blew themselves up and killed numerous BRITISH service men. blew up BRITISH bases - why? - becaus they wanted their own homeland - sound familiar? Saddam - mudererer, toturer invades kuwait and is rightly routed by the international community - israel invades lebanon - again and again - what happened? nowt! Iran wants nuclear energy - what happens? - Embargoes, UN resolutions, talk of invasion / air strikes by Israil (why Israel?) Israel is a nuclear power, NOT signed up to international monitoring - nobody bats eyelid is it me or is it a parallal universe i live in? dont get me wrong - there are lots of dictators out there, Christian and Muslim but if they are on "OUR SIDE" then its ok? if China does wrong, will USA (can USA) do anything? eg Tibet?
I can not find any info for jewish suicide bombers who killed British servicemen.
Now thats strange.All the searchs seem to have the headlines about Islamic suicide bombers.You must inform google that they are wrong AMS .
We dont want the world to be told lies do we.
sofia, blackburn says...
4:49pm Sun 11 Jan 09
10,000 people turned for demonstartion today!!!! mashallah!!!
duke bar, burnley says...
5:09pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Fantastic
Chicken tika MASH ALLAH WITH GARLIC NAN BREAD PLEASE.Sofia
Chicken tika MASH ALLAH WITH GARLIC NAN BREAD PLEASE.Sofia
moh, blackburn says...
5:13pm Sun 11 Jan 09
as per red cross more than 200 babies and children killed so far. what a shame.
moh, blackburn says...
5:18pm Sun 11 Jan 09
good on you sofia, at least you show compassion towards the children of the conflict.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
5:54pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Arabs are a primitive lot with little rules to abide.
Much the same goes for the followers of Islam.
Let's take one homely example.
The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people.
And yet your Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.
Little wonder the likes of the Taleban and Hamas behave the waythey they do.
No surprise that Moslems vote with their feet and leave theirMoslem homelands in droves to come and live amongst the Kuffar.
By voting for Hamas the Gazans have chosen the path of Barbarism.
Of course, none of these arguments can penetrate the brains of the superannuated Stalinists, vicarious jihadists and attention-seeking actors and pop stars who think it’s cool to go on marches chanting, “We are all Hamas now”. Even if these luvvies might not be aware that on Christmas Eve Hamas legalised crucifixion as a punishment for those who “weaken the spirit of the people”, and have been shooting such political enemies in the head when they find them in hospitals conveniently injured by Israeli bombing raids, they still deserve to be dismissed as useful idiots for a depraved death cult.
Those that sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind.
Much the same goes for the followers of Islam.
Let's take one homely example.
The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and the most despicable people.
And yet your Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.
Little wonder the likes of the Taleban and Hamas behave the waythey they do.
No surprise that Moslems vote with their feet and leave theirMoslem homelands in droves to come and live amongst the Kuffar.
By voting for Hamas the Gazans have chosen the path of Barbarism.
Of course, none of these arguments can penetrate the brains of the superannuated Stalinists, vicarious jihadists and attention-seeking actors and pop stars who think it’s cool to go on marches chanting, “We are all Hamas now”. Even if these luvvies might not be aware that on Christmas Eve Hamas legalised crucifixion as a punishment for those who “weaken the spirit of the people”, and have been shooting such political enemies in the head when they find them in hospitals conveniently injured by Israeli bombing raids, they still deserve to be dismissed as useful idiots for a depraved death cult.
Those that sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind.
john doe, lancashire says...
6:12pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Why is it alway Britain that as to get involved.
Why dont you protest about british soldiers being killed! Not protecting GREAT BRITAIN!!!!
What about children in this country! Stabbings of the young are on the up!
Cherie Blair which country is she living in mostly??
Why dont you protest about british soldiers being killed! Not protecting GREAT BRITAIN!!!!
What about children in this country! Stabbings of the young are on the up!
Cherie Blair which country is she living in mostly??
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
6:13pm Sun 11 Jan 09
brfcrules wrote:No British aid actually goes to Israel.
Brian Martin wrote: To: brfcrules, You state that "Israel don't give us anything in return" Here are a few things they gave us: the first fully computerized,no-radi ation, diagnostic instrumentation for breast cancer the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders. a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors. a revolutionary drip irrigation system to minimize the amount of water used to grow crops. The cell phone was developed in Israel by Motorola, Most of the Windows NT operating system was developed by Microsoft-Israel The Pentium MMX Chip technology was designed in Israel at Intel. Voice mail technology was developed in Israel. The AOL Instant Messenger was developed in 1996 by four young Israelis. A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device,produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-fr ee, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct - all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue. You state that Israel" caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble.... Bernard madoff give back our 50 billion dollars and may be we will let you kill more people. Such statements mirror those of the far right (BNP) except the word Israel is simple code for jew. Do you share the views of the BNP towards Israel and jews? , instead caused the credit crunch, stole our money in finance for their personal fortunes and the emptied financial institutions and big business that are in trouble. Us tax payers are now having to save them with what little money we have left. The cheeky israelis flout international rules that our integrity is based on and sacrfied for, we gave them the "promised" land after rescuing them from hitler. Bernard madoff give back our 50 billion dollars and may be we will let you kill more people that live on the land that you believe is promised to you (vatican city italy and bradfordyou forget my 60% tax payer + 15% tax on anything else you spend is that all the research is done on items that will bring the most revenue and sap the most public spending eg government IT projectsor the NHS. TEVA reduced the cost on all uk generic medicines resulting in the closure of UK pharmaceutical companies. Your right the world is more dependent on israelis and I agree that Israel is a religious state. The only religion that excludes others and murders for self preservation.
A lot does go to those scroungers in Pakistan.
Didn't the IMF just authourise another 5 billion dollar loan to the thieves in Islamabad?
Pakistan is a failed state, the most corrupt and culturally bereft place on earth.
It's so bad your families even chose to move to dumps like Nelson and Audley just to excape from the place.
And now their progeny, the fruits of their loins are having the same degrading effect on East Lancashire.
Instead of marching about Israel. perhaps you should first of all put your own houses in order?
Lanc's Lad, says...
6:57pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Dear Rayzer and friends
Here a good example of what is happening in Palestine told by a person with good knowledge of this conflict...
Please take time and listen to him for what he has to say and then make your own mind up. Highlight the following URL address copy and paste into the address bar at top.
http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=7pPq1C5s0S
Y&feature=related
Now tell me are we not right to protest this massacre.
Here a good example of what is happening in Palestine told by a person with good knowledge of this conflict...
Please take time and listen to him for what he has to say and then make your own mind up. Highlight the following URL address copy and paste into the address bar at top.
http://uk.youtube.co
m/watch?v=7pPq1C5s0S
Y&feature=related
Now tell me are we not right to protest this massacre.
ams455, Blackburn says...
7:21pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Duke Bar - just check your local library - ask any local regiment's captain - look at BRITISH History sites on development of middle east - Google = american (they even deny that george washington was a "terrorist" as defined by His Majestys Government of the time!)
I was taught about the desert rats and the jewish freedom fighters of Golda Mier and Co at High School in Blackburn and read about it more at Uni - google will only give you what is currently having most hits -
when you have researched, you will find that over 400 British Soldiers were killed in Palestine between 1945 and 1948 ("murdered in current terminology") because the jewish freedom movement was not a "proper army" and a large proportion were due to jewish suicide bombers driving cars / trucks into Bitish bases / ambushing British patrols etc etc. - Guerilla "Terrorist" tactics
I was taught about the desert rats and the jewish freedom fighters of Golda Mier and Co at High School in Blackburn and read about it more at Uni - google will only give you what is currently having most hits -
when you have researched, you will find that over 400 British Soldiers were killed in Palestine between 1945 and 1948 ("murdered in current terminology") because the jewish freedom movement was not a "proper army" and a large proportion were due to jewish suicide bombers driving cars / trucks into Bitish bases / ambushing British patrols etc etc. - Guerilla "Terrorist" tactics
duke bar, burnley says...
7:31pm Sun 11 Jan 09
I will have a look ,but why should google not say anything about this?
They have information about everything else.
If i do find something i will own up and admit i was wrong ok ams.
They have information about everything else.
If i do find something i will own up and admit i was wrong ok ams.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
7:39pm Sun 11 Jan 09
The disturbing and bizarre practices of Islam are hardly reported in the Western press.
One of the areas routinely passed over is the sexual depravity of Islam.
This depravity on the part of Moslems is not surprising. Mohammed (aka Muhammad), founder of a primitive stone age desert religion in the 7th century, was an actively practicing paedophile, and it seems many of his worshipping followers in Pakistan take their emulation of his life that tiny little bit too far.
Vanni, is an ancient tribal practice in which feuding clans settle their differences by exchanging women for marriage. Usually these are child brides of course.
Under the Hudood ordinance in Pakistan for example, rape is included in matters covered under Islamic law, like marriage and divorce. A woman who reports that she has been raped must produce four male witnesses to prove it. If she fails to do so, she can be prosecuted for adultery. Thousands of women have been punished under the law, often on the flimsiest evidence. That risk has kept many women from trying to bring their attackers to justice.
Possibly the greatest retardation process in Islamic culture, but particularly Pakistani culture is the tradition of cousin marriage.
It is estimated that at least 55% of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins and the tradition is also common among some other South Asian communities and in some Middle Eastern countries.
But the statistics for recessive genetic illness in cousin marriages make sobering reading.
British Pakistanis are 13 times more likely to have children with genetic disorders than the general population - they account for just over 3% of all births but have just under a third of all British children with such illnesses.
The retarded results however of this in-breeding whether, in the streets of Blackburn, Nelson or Corporation Park is even more sobering in the flesh. They can often be seen marauding the garbage strewn streets, eyes rolling in their heads, deformed fingers pointing to the sky screaming 'massallah' until they're hoarse and ready to pass out.
It's hardly surprising therefore. Pakistan is such a brutal and backward country. It was founded as an Islamic state, to the virtual exclusion of all other religions. There are no Jews there of course, but the tiny beleagured Christian minority is also under mortal threat.
ams455, Blackburn says...
7:39pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Duke Bar - what did you type into google? - i just typed "British military deaths in Palestine and the link below is a very graphic explanation of what Begin / Meir and a lot of others (who were deemed "Terrorist" by Westminster and later became prime ministers / presidents of Israel) did to our boys in Palestine
to quote just one account: a British Army sergeat was hanged and his body booby trapped to kill and maim as many as possible
http://www.counterpu
nch.org/fisk0903.htm
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and we now support these people!
to quote just one account: a British Army sergeat was hanged and his body booby trapped to kill and maim as many as possible
http://www.counterpu
nch.org/fisk0903.htm
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and we now support these people!
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
7:44pm Sun 11 Jan 09
ams455 wrote:
Duke Bar - what did you type into google? - i just typed "British military deaths in Palestine and the link below is a very graphic explanation of what Begin / Meir and a lot of others (who were deemed "Terrorist" by Westminster and later became prime ministers / presidents of Israel) did to our boys in Palestine to quote just one account: a British Army sergeat was hanged and his body booby trapped to kill and maim as many as possible http://www.counterpu nch.org/fisk0903.htm l and we now support these people!
“...There will be peace in the Middle East when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews...”
Gold Meir.
ams455, Blackburn says...
7:52pm Sun 11 Jan 09
justspent a little more than 2 minutes on google - guess what? - look at the results below
must remeber to educate myself on how to use google properly - Duke Bar must be using a different google
http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/wo
rld/middle_east/arti
cle4360655.ece
http://toronto.en.cr
aigslist.ca/tor/pol/
988027685.html
http://www.britains-
smallwars.com/Palest
ine/kidnap.htm
must remeber to educate myself on how to use google properly - Duke Bar must be using a different google
http://www.timesonli
ne.co.uk/tol/news/wo
rld/middle_east/arti
cle4360655.ece
http://toronto.en.cr
aigslist.ca/tor/pol/
988027685.html
http://www.britains-
smallwars.com/Palest
ine/kidnap.htm
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
8:01pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Muhammad was infact a paedophile.
He 'married' a child called Aisha, daughter of Muhammads good friend Abu Bakr.
In Arabic/Muslim law such good friends are to consider each others offspring as their own family and therefore it is not the done thing to start relationships of the flesh with such. But Muhammad decided that as he was a 'prophet', so it was alright.
Aisha was playing on a swing with some friends when her mother came and took her into the house, washed her, then handed her to Allahs Prophet. He then fcukked her. She was 9.
This religion is one of the, if not THE most backward things ever thought up. What a stupid religion.
Cast Lead, Gaza says...
8:13pm Sun 11 Jan 09
And Muhammad DID BEAT AISHA. She talked about it and it's recorded in Sahih Muslim (authentic hadith!), Book 4 Number 2127. It's very long, so I will only print the part about Muhammad hitting Aisha. I will list the source so you can verify and see the whole thing.
"...I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?..."
Anyone starting to see the connection?
It is they, after all, who deliberately put their weapons caches in mosques, their rocket launchers in schoolyards, and their command centers in hospitals -- all with the explicit goal of maximizing the tragedy of an Israeli response.
Hamas - Islamic fundamentalists - the Quran is the Charter of Palestine - Muhammad?
Is this man REALLY a role model for all men across the world? A paedophilic wife-beating paedophile?
"...I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you?..."
Anyone starting to see the connection?
It is they, after all, who deliberately put their weapons caches in mosques, their rocket launchers in schoolyards, and their command centers in hospitals -- all with the explicit goal of maximizing the tragedy of an Israeli response.
Hamas - Islamic fundamentalists - the Quran is the Charter of Palestine - Muhammad?
Is this man REALLY a role model for all men across the world? A paedophilic wife-beating paedophile?
duke bar, burnley says...
8:17pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Yes ams just read about the Stern gang and Irgun.
Both of these groups were evil Jewish Terrorists who bombed and killed Arabs and British soliders.
Some of them went on to lead Israel which is quite shocking.
I WILL HOLD MY HAND UP AND SAY THAT THESE JEWS WERE TERRORISTS.THIS IS A FACT. I was wrong about jewish terrorists.
They were not suicide bombers .They bombed hotels and army barracks ,they drove trucks with bombs in them but they did not commit suicide doing this.
So we had jews who were terrorists also.
The evil bastards..
Both of these groups were evil Jewish Terrorists who bombed and killed Arabs and British soliders.
Some of them went on to lead Israel which is quite shocking.
I WILL HOLD MY HAND UP AND SAY THAT THESE JEWS WERE TERRORISTS.THIS IS A FACT. I was wrong about jewish terrorists.
They were not suicide bombers .They bombed hotels and army barracks ,they drove trucks with bombs in them but they did not commit suicide doing this.
So we had jews who were terrorists also.
The evil bastards..
ams455, Blackburn says...
10:00pm Sun 11 Jan 09
Thank You Duke Bar, my faith in English fairness has been restored - lets us all look at each event with fairness and, as Duke Bar, be prepared to accept that what is wrong is wrong, whether they be Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Communists or whatever and not be bound be dogma and blind faith
Lanc's Lad, says...
2:06am Mon 12 Jan 09
Castrated Lead,
oohhhh are we getting all petty now...
reads some facts
Here's a link to the same question a nonce like you asked...
http://answers.yahoo
.com/question/index?
qid=20080625055329AA
z3dXB
and just one more for the nail in your Zionist coffin...
http://www.muslim.or
g/islam/aisha-age.ht
m
Insult him all you like but that makes me more proud to be a Muslim.
oohhhh are we getting all petty now...
reads some facts
Here's a link to the same question a nonce like you asked...
http://answers.yahoo
.com/question/index?
qid=20080625055329AA
z3dXB
and just one more for the nail in your Zionist coffin...
http://www.muslim.or
g/islam/aisha-age.ht
m
Insult him all you like but that makes me more proud to be a Muslim.
Lanc's Lad, says...
2:53am Mon 12 Jan 09
Castrated Lead,
Here's that link you forgot to put on
Actually read it and fully understand it don't read it out of context as they say. I think with that micro brain you might have to read it a few times to understand the full story.
http://www.usc.edu/s
chools/college/crcc/
engagement/resources
/texts/muslim/hadith
/muslim/004.smt.html
#004.2127
Here's that link you forgot to put on
Actually read it and fully understand it don't read it out of context as they say. I think with that micro brain you might have to read it a few times to understand the full story.
http://www.usc.edu/s
chools/college/crcc/
engagement/resources
/texts/muslim/hadith
/muslim/004.smt.html
#004.2127
Lanc's Lad, says...
3:09am Mon 12 Jan 09
I almost forgot to say
Palestine forever.
watermelon, blackburn says...
8:48am Mon 12 Jan 09
Those of you who support the Israeli war, are either, a zionist jew/or jew, pro israeli, or taken in by the propoganda in the western media stream.This invasion and massacre of palestinians has been a long term plan of the israelis for years. Israel is a nuclear armed state within 60 years! Israeli army fighting with kids throwing rocks, and home made rockets to defend their land. One thing is clear, The life of a israeli jew is considered more important than a hundred palestinians souls,Il give you 1 example from a leaked document.1 year ago, Israeli groups started a campaign early on through social networking websites to start convincing people about hamas rockets coming in to Israel.A year later, no wonder thick people in this blog then believe this, and justify the current bombardment of Israel weopanry on innocent people. You have to admire the Israeli tactics,organisation and media control,which is where we have failed.Looking at the forum, its the same people who keep criticing the march sitting behind their computers who think they know all, but dont have a clue about the real situation.Why dont you come out and have a face to face debate?Fact.13 Israelis killed to over 800 palestinians killed and thousands injured,most of them women and children.Fact.in 8 years, 20 Israelis have been killed through hamas rockets attacks as a direct result of Isralies regular incursions and killings in to occupied land.Fact.The current ceasefire ended because Israel made regular incursions in to gaza towards the end of the ceasfire and killed 30 people, of which a few were hamas leaders.regular blockades of vital food and medicines eventually meant Hamas had to react..while the Israelis live a life of luxury in palestinian property,Gazans are queing for Bread and clean water..To further Gazas cause, thousands of Jews atttended the rallies in Manchester, and various orthodox jewish groups have called an end to this genocide.Israel will probably take GAza in the end,who knows..but Palestine wil be reclaimed in years to come.All i see is, the world is waking up now,and our message has been a success. So those who want to criticise my message, go ahead, break your computer..time to move on to the next blog/forum for me..Salam, Shalom.. and the True Palestine will be won over again 1 day...Palestine Forever...:)
ashtrad, blackburn says...
9:21am Mon 12 Jan 09
Why are some people complaining about police resource and taxes, what about the hundreds of police that are needed at every home Blackburn game.... you don't seem to be complaining then, that's a massive burden on tax payers and police resource !!! The occupation and barbaric murders are worth the support of our town, our people and our country.
RK, Blackburn says...
3:36pm Tue 13 Jan 09
What's going on with this website?
RAyzer, BURNLEY says...
3:52pm Tue 13 Jan 09
10,000 unemployed turned out today...you mean sofia!!!i do hope fro peace,but it wont happen...did you lot march after the london/madrid bombings???thats why theres a bad feeling because you didnt!!!why???this countrys enough of our own probs,kids dying at the hands of social services neglect,murders,pris
ons are full,,,lets sort our own affairs first!!!thats if you class britain as your home land(most of you on here?)
ons are full,,,lets sort our own affairs first!!!thats if you class britain as your home land(most of you on here?)
RK, Blackburn says...
4:08pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Quite a few posts deleted today for some strange reason.
RK, Blackburn says...
4:08pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Quite a few posts deleted today for some strange reason.
RK, Blackburn says...
4:20pm Tue 13 Jan 09
Sorry, got a stutter.
Lanc's Lad, says...
11:17pm Tue 13 Jan 09
I have read on these threads, comment's that the Muslim's of this country are only protesting because it's just Muslims who are suffering. Here's a different view.
Copy and paste into your www address bar at top.
http://news.aol.co.u
k/bethlehem-united-i
n-grief/article/2009
0113105718193217081
Copy and paste into your www address bar at top.
http://news.aol.co.u
k/bethlehem-united-i
n-grief/article/2009
0113105718193217081
andyingreece, Athens, Greece. says...
9:02am Sun 18 Jan 09
I'm on Israels side on this one. If a big man with a hammer is kicked in the shins too many times, he'll hit you with the hammer!
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Barry11, Blackburn says...
6:50pm Thu 8 Jan 09
Wake up folks of Blackburn, you are wasting your time!!
PS the MP's of this country have enough to do to sort out the financial British mess, without getting involved in other peoples troubles!!