Blackburn Rovers' parent company lose £36million

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THE company which owns Blackburn Rovers’ lost £36million last year making a New Year transfer embargo on the club likely.

Venky’s London Limited latest accounts posted a deficit £9m worse than 2012-2013.

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This means Rovers are likely to report another multi-million pound loss when their own financial statement is published later this year, which is likely to fall foul of Championship regulations on club debt.

The Financial Fair Play rules state Rovers can make a maximum loss of £8m for last season without facing a transfer embargo from New Year’s Day.

While details of how the first-ever such penalty will work are sketchy, it could make it difficult or impossible for Rovers to replace key players who leave Ewood Park.

The directors assert in the VLL accounts that the Rao family, and the ultimate parent company Venkateshwara Hatcheries Pvt. Ltd (Venky’s), has made clear it has the finances to fund Rovers for the foreseeable future.

They added that the focus of the group is to ‘obtain promotion back to the Premier League’.

Rovers Trust finance officer Dan Grabko said failure to achieve that aim by 2016, when multi-million parachute payments for relegation from soccer’s top flight run out, ‘could be catastrophic’.

Last summer VLL posted losses of £27 million for 2012/2013 followed by Rovers announcing a £36.5 million loss two months later along with a total debt of £54.5 million.

This week’s announcement of a £36million loss by VLL for 2013/2014 makes another massive loss in Rovers' accounts inevitable when they are published before the end of the year.

This is set to put them well above the fair play ceiling, fulfilling managing director Derek Shaw’s prophecy last year that a Championship transfer ban would hit Rovers if they failed to win promotion.

Blackburn MP and Ewood Park regular Jack Straw said: “The scale of these losses make another big loss for Rovers inevitable.

“That means a transfer ban is highly likely.

“This is very sad but the good news is that Venky’s have once again made clear their commitment to the club and determination to win promotion back to the Premiership.

“We’ve had a good start to the season now it’s time to keep our fingers crossed, hope and pray.”

Since relegation in 2012, Rovers' Premier League parachute payments have halved from £16m to £8m for this season and next, and will run out in summer 2016.

VLL directors, Anuradha Desai, Venkatesh Rao, Balaji Rao and Jitendra Desai, said they saw ‘real encouragement’ Rovers can return to the top flight.

In a joint statement they said: “The focus of the company has been for the football club to obtain promotion back to the Premier League, significant changes were made to the playing squad to reduce ongoing costs, whilst at the same time adding young talent, this enhanced the team’s performance resulting in an eighth place finish and narrowly missing out on a play-off position.

“The board believes the football club’s success during the 2013/14 playing season gives real encouragement that it has made a significant move forward in achieving its ultimate goal. This momentum will bring with it renewed supports from fans, which will in turn boost income streams and carry the club on to greater success.”

The just published VLL accounts, for the year ended March 31, 2014, show:

  • An operating loss on day to day trading of £27m, down £100,000 on 2013, with the loss before tax rising to £36.1m after interest payments of £1m, a £4.7m loss on player trading, and a debt write off £3.4m; and
  • A reduction in the wage bill from £39.6m to £34.6m, and a cut in other operating expenses from £23.2m to £21m.

Despite this the excess cost of wages over income rose from 111 per cent to 121 per cent after turnover dropped by £7.1m from £35.7m to £28.6m.

Matchday revenue fell from £6.9m to £4.3m, media revenue from £24.9m to £20.9m, and commercial revenue from £3.8m to £3.4m.

Net debt rose from £15m to £21.2m.

VLL bought a 99.9 per cent stake in Rovers in November 2010.

Venky’s put in £21.5m into VLL in the last year with no interest or intention for the funds to be repaid.

Mr Grabko said he was pleased Venky’s continue to support the club financially in its attempt to win promotion back to the Premier League.

He said:“The club is still solely reliant on their benevolence for existence.

“A football club of this stature is a massive barge and it can’t turn on a dime, so righting the ship was always going to take several seasons.

“The club is still, happily, operating on the assumption of promotion back to the Premier League, but the consequences of not achieving this in the next two seasons could be catastrophic.”

The latest Rovers club accounts, which will be released later this year, will cover the period up to June 30, 2014, and include the whole of last season.

The VLL accounts show that, since March 31, the club has received £1.6million in transfer fees but paid out £4.1 million to terminate former players and other employees’ contracts.

Rovers’ financial director Mike Cheston said: “We cannot comment as they are our holding company.

“We will comment on our own accounts when they are published in due course.”

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6:46am Wed 27 Aug 14

Blackburn_End says...

Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window. Blackburn_End
  • Score: 25

6:55am Wed 27 Aug 14

KYMER says...

the way round it is to spend now simples
the way round it is to spend now simples KYMER
  • Score: 10

8:15am Wed 27 Aug 14

bring back the good old days says...

KYMER wrote:
the way round it is to spend now simples
Any fool can throw good money after bad, and that is the way to oblivion.
The real mark of doing it correctly is to learn from and correct previous mistakes, and make sure that every £ laid out gives a return. In our situation that also means whilst doing this, even further reducing 'outgoings'.
The sad fact is that is this 'modern age' of football there is only one place for financial sanctuary, and that is (IMO) the dreaded Prem. League. The catalyst of this whole debacle.
[quote][p][bold]KYMER[/bold] wrote: the way round it is to spend now simples[/p][/quote]Any fool can throw good money after bad, and that is the way to oblivion. The real mark of doing it correctly is to learn from and correct previous mistakes, and make sure that every £ laid out gives a return. In our situation that also means whilst doing this, even further reducing 'outgoings'. The sad fact is that is this 'modern age' of football there is only one place for financial sanctuary, and that is (IMO) the dreaded Prem. League. The catalyst of this whole debacle. bring back the good old days
  • Score: 24

8:17am Wed 27 Aug 14

glynners says...

So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams
So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams glynners
  • Score: 48

8:22am Wed 27 Aug 14

reiko082 says...

KYMER wrote:
the way round it is to spend now simples
We're two defenders short of a squad easily good enough to get promoted. It needs to be accepted that there will be a transfer embargo for 2015 no matter what, and that these players we have now are as good a chance for promotion as we'll have for years to come. Pull the trigger and give it a shot.

Otherwise, if they continue to do nothing about it then they can just lie down and expect the 'catastrophe' anyway.
[quote][p][bold]KYMER[/bold] wrote: the way round it is to spend now simples[/p][/quote]We're two defenders short of a squad easily good enough to get promoted. It needs to be accepted that there will be a transfer embargo for 2015 no matter what, and that these players we have now are as good a chance for promotion as we'll have for years to come. Pull the trigger and give it a shot. Otherwise, if they continue to do nothing about it then they can just lie down and expect the 'catastrophe' anyway. reiko082
  • Score: 13

8:27am Wed 27 Aug 14

reiko082 says...

bring back the good old days wrote:
KYMER wrote:
the way round it is to spend now simples
Any fool can throw good money after bad, and that is the way to oblivion.
The real mark of doing it correctly is to learn from and correct previous mistakes, and make sure that every £ laid out gives a return. In our situation that also means whilst doing this, even further reducing 'outgoings'.
The sad fact is that is this 'modern age' of football there is only one place for financial sanctuary, and that is (IMO) the dreaded Prem. League. The catalyst of this whole debacle.
Completely agree that the financial reward of the premier league is the cause of all this nonsense. Making sure every £ gives a return, however, is easier said than done, otherwise we'd all be millionaires.
[quote][p][bold]bring back the good old days[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KYMER[/bold] wrote: the way round it is to spend now simples[/p][/quote]Any fool can throw good money after bad, and that is the way to oblivion. The real mark of doing it correctly is to learn from and correct previous mistakes, and make sure that every £ laid out gives a return. In our situation that also means whilst doing this, even further reducing 'outgoings'. The sad fact is that is this 'modern age' of football there is only one place for financial sanctuary, and that is (IMO) the dreaded Prem. League. The catalyst of this whole debacle.[/p][/quote]Completely agree that the financial reward of the premier league is the cause of all this nonsense. Making sure every £ gives a return, however, is easier said than done, otherwise we'd all be millionaires. reiko082
  • Score: 15

8:39am Wed 27 Aug 14

Bill Carson says...

It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues.
It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...
It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues. It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000... Bill Carson
  • Score: 14

8:42am Wed 27 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
[quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 33

8:45am Wed 27 Aug 14

Captain Dreckley says...

reiko082 wrote:
KYMER wrote:
the way round it is to spend now simples
We're two defenders short of a squad easily good enough to get promoted. It needs to be accepted that there will be a transfer embargo for 2015 no matter what, and that these players we have now are as good a chance for promotion as we'll have for years to come. Pull the trigger and give it a shot.

Otherwise, if they continue to do nothing about it then they can just lie down and expect the 'catastrophe' anyway.
Well the dingles are showing how to live with a transfer embargo but theirs is due to every transfer target turns their beck on em
[quote][p][bold]reiko082[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KYMER[/bold] wrote: the way round it is to spend now simples[/p][/quote]We're two defenders short of a squad easily good enough to get promoted. It needs to be accepted that there will be a transfer embargo for 2015 no matter what, and that these players we have now are as good a chance for promotion as we'll have for years to come. Pull the trigger and give it a shot. Otherwise, if they continue to do nothing about it then they can just lie down and expect the 'catastrophe' anyway.[/p][/quote]Well the dingles are showing how to live with a transfer embargo but theirs is due to every transfer target turns their beck on em Captain Dreckley
  • Score: -2

8:47am Wed 27 Aug 14

rover4life says...

While financial fair play looks to be coming it has yet to pass through court challenges as to the fines imposed, The transfer embargo will almost certainly happen but the club already knew this hence Bowyers trip to India to sort out any remaining business before it kicks in, The legal challenges will definitely follow, Can you see QPR who are no longer in the football league paying them a fine which is even bigger than our own - No chance, The whole thing such as voting rights and the rights of owners to be able to invest their own businesses has to stand the test of fairness itself.
Bowyer has sorted his squad to a good level and with the addition of a defender or maybe 2 we are in a good place regarding a promotion push if we can aviod the horrendous injury situation that we had last year.
While financial fair play looks to be coming it has yet to pass through court challenges as to the fines imposed, The transfer embargo will almost certainly happen but the club already knew this hence Bowyers trip to India to sort out any remaining business before it kicks in, The legal challenges will definitely follow, Can you see QPR who are no longer in the football league paying them a fine which is even bigger than our own - No chance, The whole thing such as voting rights and the rights of owners to be able to invest their own businesses has to stand the test of fairness itself. Bowyer has sorted his squad to a good level and with the addition of a defender or maybe 2 we are in a good place regarding a promotion push if we can aviod the horrendous injury situation that we had last year. rover4life
  • Score: 10

8:48am Wed 27 Aug 14

reiko082 says...

Bill Carson wrote:
It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues.
It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...
I'd guess that the timing of this news was intended to so exactly that, put the JR situation into perspective. Excellent PR work from the Venky's :)
[quote][p][bold]Bill Carson[/bold] wrote: It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues. It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...[/p][/quote]I'd guess that the timing of this news was intended to so exactly that, put the JR situation into perspective. Excellent PR work from the Venky's :) reiko082
  • Score: 2

8:49am Wed 27 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

To all those "Rovers fans" who claimed that we were on the road to recovery..

To all those "Rovers fans" who claimed that Venky's had learnt from their mistakes..

To all those "Rovers fans" who claimed that would be compliant with FFP..

Just look at what we have become.


We are now going to post a loss EVEN BIGGER than last year!

We are now going to suffer a humiliating and crippling transfer embargo!

We are now going to be FORCED TO CUT OUR LOSSES and recoup as much cash as possible over the next season through downsizing and player sales.

I TOLD YOU WE WERE F@#KED! I TOLD YOU!


Jordan Rhodes, Tom Cairney and Grant Hanley, our only three saleable assets WILL BE SOLD!

We cannot in all honesty ever achieve promotion to the Premier League, and our future based on what's about to happen financially is highly likely to be in League One, if not League Two.

"Rovers Trust finance officer Dan Grabko said failure to achieve promotion to the Premier League by 2016 will be catastrophic"

Mr Grabko said “The club is still solely reliant on the Venky's benevolence for existence."

What an absolute unmitigated shambles. Steve Bruce and Burnley fans everywhere must be rolling around laughing at this news.

WE ARE TRULY F@#KED!
To all those "Rovers fans" who claimed that we were on the road to recovery.. To all those "Rovers fans" who claimed that Venky's had learnt from their mistakes.. To all those "Rovers fans" who claimed that would be compliant with FFP.. Just look at what we have become. We are now going to post a loss EVEN BIGGER than last year! We are now going to suffer a humiliating and crippling transfer embargo! We are now going to be FORCED TO CUT OUR LOSSES and recoup as much cash as possible over the next season through downsizing and player sales. I TOLD YOU WE WERE F@#KED! I TOLD YOU! Jordan Rhodes, Tom Cairney and Grant Hanley, our only three saleable assets WILL BE SOLD! We cannot in all honesty ever achieve promotion to the Premier League, and our future based on what's about to happen financially is highly likely to be in League One, if not League Two. "Rovers Trust finance officer Dan Grabko said failure to achieve promotion to the Premier League by 2016 will be catastrophic" Mr Grabko said “The club is still solely reliant on the Venky's benevolence for existence." What an absolute unmitigated shambles. Steve Bruce and Burnley fans everywhere must be rolling around laughing at this news. WE ARE TRULY F@#KED! TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: 2

9:07am Wed 27 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: -40

9:15am Wed 27 Aug 14

LoobyLou369 says...

Captain Dreckley wrote:
reiko082 wrote:
KYMER wrote:
the way round it is to spend now simples
We're two defenders short of a squad easily good enough to get promoted. It needs to be accepted that there will be a transfer embargo for 2015 no matter what, and that these players we have now are as good a chance for promotion as we'll have for years to come. Pull the trigger and give it a shot.

Otherwise, if they continue to do nothing about it then they can just lie down and expect the 'catastrophe' anyway.
Well the dingles are showing how to live with a transfer embargo but theirs is due to every transfer target turns their beck on em
Why bring Burnley into this??????
This story is solely about BRFC, nothing to do with Burnley.
Just shows, some of you dimwits don't really give a monkeys about your club, as long as your better than Burnley.............
..............
Try concentrating on your own club more........... the lack of faith and more thought given about Burnley is a big reason why you are where you are.......
Faith and positivity is a big help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Captain Dreckley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reiko082[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KYMER[/bold] wrote: the way round it is to spend now simples[/p][/quote]We're two defenders short of a squad easily good enough to get promoted. It needs to be accepted that there will be a transfer embargo for 2015 no matter what, and that these players we have now are as good a chance for promotion as we'll have for years to come. Pull the trigger and give it a shot. Otherwise, if they continue to do nothing about it then they can just lie down and expect the 'catastrophe' anyway.[/p][/quote]Well the dingles are showing how to live with a transfer embargo but theirs is due to every transfer target turns their beck on em[/p][/quote]Why bring Burnley into this?????? This story is solely about BRFC, nothing to do with Burnley. Just shows, some of you dimwits don't really give a monkeys about your club, as long as your better than Burnley............. .............. Try concentrating on your own club more........... the lack of faith and more thought given about Burnley is a big reason why you are where you are....... Faith and positivity is a big help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! LoobyLou369
  • Score: 16

9:18am Wed 27 Aug 14

Germany Tiger says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha Germany Tiger
  • Score: -7

9:21am Wed 27 Aug 14

Tatts says...

Are QPR going to pay of fine of £60M? No chance! And for that reason, they will have to soften the penalties for the rest of the clubs.
Are QPR going to pay of fine of £60M? No chance! And for that reason, they will have to soften the penalties for the rest of the clubs. Tatts
  • Score: 9

9:27am Wed 27 Aug 14

Its Only a game boy says...

Throw them Venkies a paddle...........
Throw them Venkies a paddle........... Its Only a game boy
  • Score: 2

9:28am Wed 27 Aug 14

owd nick says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
Apart from his usual puerile rants at Venky's and "Venky's lovers" I totally agree with JC.

Don't you think it's time to drop that side of your argument JC?

It ruins what is otherwise an excellent post and detracts from the message, which is crucial to the survival of Blackburn Rovers, with or without Venky's.

These figures are those of the parent company, VLL, they are bound to have some effect but the key figures are those of Blackburn Rovers when they are published later in the year, they won't be good and they will be the figures the club is judged on via FFP.

We have already been prepared for this by Derek Shaw who has said time and again it's going to take two season, this and next to get on an even keel again, we are taking a massive financial hit this and last season by clearing the decks, this may or may not stand us in good stead with the FA, only time will tell.

For the guys suggesting we spend, spend, spend now prior to FFP taking hold, well I am sorry, we are already in a severe loss situation, we are going to be penalised for those losses, any further spending will simply increase these losses and the subsequent penalties.

That would simply be lunacy.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]Apart from his usual puerile rants at Venky's and "Venky's lovers" I totally agree with JC. Don't you think it's time to drop that side of your argument JC? It ruins what is otherwise an excellent post and detracts from the message, which is crucial to the survival of Blackburn Rovers, with or without Venky's. These figures are those of the parent company, VLL, they are bound to have some effect but the key figures are those of Blackburn Rovers when they are published later in the year, they won't be good and they will be the figures the club is judged on via FFP. We have already been prepared for this by Derek Shaw who has said time and again it's going to take two season, this and next to get on an even keel again, we are taking a massive financial hit this and last season by clearing the decks, this may or may not stand us in good stead with the FA, only time will tell. For the guys suggesting we spend, spend, spend now prior to FFP taking hold, well I am sorry, we are already in a severe loss situation, we are going to be penalised for those losses, any further spending will simply increase these losses and the subsequent penalties. That would simply be lunacy. owd nick
  • Score: -1

9:29am Wed 27 Aug 14

RoversSwiss says...

Bill Carson wrote:
It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues.
It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...
Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them.

The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face.
[quote][p][bold]Bill Carson[/bold] wrote: It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues. It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...[/p][/quote]Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them. The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face. RoversSwiss
  • Score: 5

9:29am Wed 27 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
"The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy."

You quite clearly have no idea of the mess we're in.

The excess cost of wages over income went up 10%.
Matchday revenue fell 30%
Media revenue fell 30%
Commercial revenue fell 10%
Net debt went up over 25%
We are now 100% reliant on a group of Indian chicken farmers keeping our club alfoat.
We are now forced to cut our losses through player sales.
We cannot replace the players we sell and therefore must develop our youth players.

In what universe is this an acceptable situation to be in?

We are in a mess and deluded fans such as yourself are only making our problems bigger. What happens when we dont go up? What happens when the parachute payments run out? What happens when Venkys pull out?

These are sad times in the history of Blackburn Rovers as we edge ever closer to the abyss.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]"The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy." You quite clearly have no idea of the mess we're in. The excess cost of wages over income went up 10%. Matchday revenue fell 30% Media revenue fell 30% Commercial revenue fell 10% Net debt went up over 25% We are now 100% reliant on a group of Indian chicken farmers keeping our club alfoat. We are now forced to cut our losses through player sales. We cannot replace the players we sell and therefore must develop our youth players. In what universe is this an acceptable situation to be in? We are in a mess and deluded fans such as yourself are only making our problems bigger. What happens when we dont go up? What happens when the parachute payments run out? What happens when Venkys pull out? These are sad times in the history of Blackburn Rovers as we edge ever closer to the abyss. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: 4

9:30am Wed 27 Aug 14

reiko082 says...

Germany Tiger wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha
From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha.
[quote][p][bold]Germany Tiger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha[/p][/quote]From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha. reiko082
  • Score: -8

9:32am Wed 27 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Tatts wrote:
Are QPR going to pay of fine of £60M? No chance! And for that reason, they will have to soften the penalties for the rest of the clubs.
If they had failed to gain promotion QPR wouldn't have a choice, luckily for them they did, and as the PL has a far less draconian interpretation of FFP than that of the FA they fall under their rules.

However, should they be relegated this season they will have to comply with FA rules.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Are QPR going to pay of fine of £60M? No chance! And for that reason, they will have to soften the penalties for the rest of the clubs.[/p][/quote]If they had failed to gain promotion QPR wouldn't have a choice, luckily for them they did, and as the PL has a far less draconian interpretation of FFP than that of the FA they fall under their rules. However, should they be relegated this season they will have to comply with FA rules. owd nick
  • Score: 2

9:34am Wed 27 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
Droll but true Angry, tin hat time...
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Droll but true Angry, tin hat time... owd nick
  • Score: -2

9:36am Wed 27 Aug 14

hasslem hasslem says...

for once agree with jc rishton.

we are on the path to oblivion and these losses cannot be sustained under new corporate governance rules of the football league (quite right too).

summarising - we brought in £28.6m revenue/sales/turnov
er (whatever you want to call it and our expenses were effectively £56m....that is a big ooops!

now others think this is no big deal as other clubs are in a mess too (wigan and bolton locally to name but two) of our neighbours.....but just cos others are in the do-doos doesn't mean that we can relax.

burnley are being incredibly parsimonious with their cash and have the fortune that the year they have got promoted has allowed them to find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.....their challenge is to stop it seeping out of the club (like it did last time) next year when they go down at the end of the season.

blackpool who their supporters think is being run by the english equivalent of kim jong il are almost the model of financial proprierty (i know that the family took big chunks out of the club) and whatever league they end up in.....they shouldn't go bust.

ffp is gonna shake up a lot of clubs, rovers included, it is probably going to take a couple of years before the shakeout is complete. ultimately, it should be a good thing for football - but there is a massive storm ahead.
for once agree with jc rishton. we are on the path to oblivion and these losses cannot be sustained under new corporate governance rules of the football league (quite right too). summarising - we brought in £28.6m revenue/sales/turnov er (whatever you want to call it and our expenses were effectively £56m....that is a big ooops! now others think this is no big deal as other clubs are in a mess too (wigan and bolton locally to name but two) of our neighbours.....but just cos others are in the do-doos doesn't mean that we can relax. burnley are being incredibly parsimonious with their cash and have the fortune that the year they have got promoted has allowed them to find a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.....their challenge is to stop it seeping out of the club (like it did last time) next year when they go down at the end of the season. blackpool who their supporters think is being run by the english equivalent of kim jong il are almost the model of financial proprierty (i know that the family took big chunks out of the club) and whatever league they end up in.....they shouldn't go bust. ffp is gonna shake up a lot of clubs, rovers included, it is probably going to take a couple of years before the shakeout is complete. ultimately, it should be a good thing for football - but there is a massive storm ahead. hasslem hasslem
  • Score: -4

9:36am Wed 27 Aug 14

owd nick says...

RoversSwiss wrote:
Bill Carson wrote:
It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues.
It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...
Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them.

The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face.
And probably the most sensible post I have read for ages, Chapeau.
[quote][p][bold]RoversSwiss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill Carson[/bold] wrote: It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues. It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...[/p][/quote]Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them. The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face.[/p][/quote]And probably the most sensible post I have read for ages, Chapeau. owd nick
  • Score: 6

9:36am Wed 27 Aug 14

Leonard Venkhater says...

One of the worst aspects of this is that, unlike certain other clubs, our debts weren't accrued through overreaching or chasing an impossible dream.
This has been caused by owners (part owners?) ripping the club to bits.

Think neglectful parents , who go to Torremolinos, leaving their precious child at home with a dodgy neighbour and an Alsatian, called Jerome.
One of the worst aspects of this is that, unlike certain other clubs, our debts weren't accrued through overreaching or chasing an impossible dream. This has been caused by owners (part owners?) ripping the club to bits. Think neglectful parents , who go to Torremolinos, leaving their precious child at home with a dodgy neighbour and an Alsatian, called Jerome. Leonard Venkhater
  • Score: 8

9:40am Wed 27 Aug 14

hasslem hasslem says...

owd nick wrote:
RoversSwiss wrote:
Bill Carson wrote:
It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues.
It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...
Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them.

The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face.
And probably the most sensible post I have read for ages, Chapeau.
that's why he/she is in switzerland!
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RoversSwiss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill Carson[/bold] wrote: It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues. It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...[/p][/quote]Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them. The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face.[/p][/quote]And probably the most sensible post I have read for ages, Chapeau.[/p][/quote]that's why he/she is in switzerland! hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 0

9:44am Wed 27 Aug 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
You both make some relevant and valid points in relation to the clubs present situation. I too agree that the writing was on the wall with the Walker Trust ownership who had started to starve the club with funds that would have eventually lead to relegation no matter who the manager was. Walkers Trust would not have, or be prepared to supply the funds to supplement the loss of income and to invest for another promotion push eventually leading to the long term demise of the club anyway. Granted they would not have racked up losses on this scale as this has been down to Venkys inexperience and the incompetence of the people they have employed in the past. But the dedication and continued support from Venkys is something that has surprised everyone and with all the changes that are now being put in place along with their continued financial support I feel that Rovers long term future will be better served with Venkys rather than the Walker Trust.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]You both make some relevant and valid points in relation to the clubs present situation. I too agree that the writing was on the wall with the Walker Trust ownership who had started to starve the club with funds that would have eventually lead to relegation no matter who the manager was. Walkers Trust would not have, or be prepared to supply the funds to supplement the loss of income and to invest for another promotion push eventually leading to the long term demise of the club anyway. Granted they would not have racked up losses on this scale as this has been down to Venkys inexperience and the incompetence of the people they have employed in the past. But the dedication and continued support from Venkys is something that has surprised everyone and with all the changes that are now being put in place along with their continued financial support I feel that Rovers long term future will be better served with Venkys rather than the Walker Trust. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 6

9:45am Wed 27 Aug 14

French Rover says...

Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud! French Rover
  • Score: 3

9:48am Wed 27 Aug 14

bring back the good old days says...

glynners wrote:
So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams
You can ignore the word 'fair' in the title as it is a smokescreen.
This was always about protecting the Prem Lg 'machine' from being further infiltrated by the 'lesser clubs'.
Plus making sure that all these lesser clubs are forced to sell on all of their developing players, into the top tier at a 'knock down' rate.
[quote][p][bold]glynners[/bold] wrote: So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams[/p][/quote]You can ignore the word 'fair' in the title as it is a smokescreen. This was always about protecting the Prem Lg 'machine' from being further infiltrated by the 'lesser clubs'. Plus making sure that all these lesser clubs are forced to sell on all of their developing players, into the top tier at a 'knock down' rate. bring back the good old days
  • Score: 6

9:48am Wed 27 Aug 14

Riverside 7 says...

More scaremongering from Dan Grabko & the Rovers Trust.

Dan Grabko, is the Amercian expat living and working in Sweden and the Finance Officer of the Rovers Trust.

I hope someone at the Rovers Trust can tell us all how their plans to obtain a full or part-ownership of Blackburn Rovers Football Club are progressing.

How about starting by telling us how much money has been raised or even pledged by fans.

Venkys own 99.9% of the shares in BRFC and just like the owners of Chelsea and Manchester City, they are funding the losses.
It will only be a problem if Venkys decide that they have had enough.

The same would apply if Abramovich decided to pull out at Chelsea because he too has been funding massive losses.

The FFP Rules are unfair as they restrict owners of smaller clubs from investing their own monies - like Jack Walker did in the 1990's.

I'm no Venky lover, but we are where we are and unfortunately we can only hope that they can turn things around.

Finally, am I confident that we will get promoted this season under GB? - no I'm not.
More scaremongering from Dan Grabko & the Rovers Trust. Dan Grabko, is the Amercian expat living and working in Sweden and the Finance Officer of the Rovers Trust. I hope someone at the Rovers Trust can tell us all how their plans to obtain a full or part-ownership of Blackburn Rovers Football Club are progressing. How about starting by telling us how much money has been raised or even pledged by fans. Venkys own 99.9% of the shares in BRFC and just like the owners of Chelsea and Manchester City, they are funding the losses. It will only be a problem if Venkys decide that they have had enough. The same would apply if Abramovich decided to pull out at Chelsea because he too has been funding massive losses. The FFP Rules are unfair as they restrict owners of smaller clubs from investing their own monies - like Jack Walker did in the 1990's. I'm no Venky lover, but we are where we are and unfortunately we can only hope that they can turn things around. Finally, am I confident that we will get promoted this season under GB? - no I'm not. Riverside 7
  • Score: 8

9:51am Wed 27 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

And right on cue Hull are rumoured to be lining up an offer for Rhodes that the Venky's literally cannot refuse! Could we have made it any eadier for them?

The beginning of the end for our once proud football club.

Bring on the Stanley!
And right on cue Hull are rumoured to be lining up an offer for Rhodes that the Venky's literally cannot refuse! Could we have made it any eadier for them? The beginning of the end for our once proud football club. Bring on the Stanley! TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -14

9:52am Wed 27 Aug 14

French Rover says...

owd nick wrote:
RoversSwiss wrote:
Bill Carson wrote:
It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues.
It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...
Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them.

The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face.
And probably the most sensible post I have read for ages, Chapeau.
Totally agree Nick, Swiss made some good sensible and realistic points.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RoversSwiss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill Carson[/bold] wrote: It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues. It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...[/p][/quote]Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them. The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face.[/p][/quote]And probably the most sensible post I have read for ages, Chapeau.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Nick, Swiss made some good sensible and realistic points. French Rover
  • Score: 0

9:53am Wed 27 Aug 14

jack01 says...

We're in the Championship. Every club in the Championship (bar Blackpool) makes a loss. The challenge is to get those losses down as low as possible and to get promotion in the near future.

The owners are committed to the club, that is evident by their statement, £21 million cash injection and determination to hold on to Jordan Rhodes despite a massive cash offer from Hull.

Without Venkys money Rovers would be in a big mess, that is true. Without Dave Whelan Wigan would be in a big mess. Without Eddie Davies Bolton would be in a big mess. The list goes on and on across this division. I'm not saying its good, just that this is modern day football, and wealthy benefactors are a big part of it. That's why FFP rules won't work.
We're in the Championship. Every club in the Championship (bar Blackpool) makes a loss. The challenge is to get those losses down as low as possible and to get promotion in the near future. The owners are committed to the club, that is evident by their statement, £21 million cash injection and determination to hold on to Jordan Rhodes despite a massive cash offer from Hull. Without Venkys money Rovers would be in a big mess, that is true. Without Dave Whelan Wigan would be in a big mess. Without Eddie Davies Bolton would be in a big mess. The list goes on and on across this division. I'm not saying its good, just that this is modern day football, and wealthy benefactors are a big part of it. That's why FFP rules won't work. jack01
  • Score: 3

10:07am Wed 27 Aug 14

Warnie says...

Clearly the message isn't getting through to some of you. It probably wont until they turn the lights out and lock the doors. Those who understand finance know all too well what these accounts mean.
Clearly the message isn't getting through to some of you. It probably wont until they turn the lights out and lock the doors. Those who understand finance know all too well what these accounts mean. Warnie
  • Score: 3

10:10am Wed 27 Aug 14

dangerous dave says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
first class post - this mess is totally down to them - rank bad management from day 1 with no real prospect of putting the situation right - as I have said all along this once famous club stands on the edge of disappearing should the plug be pulled and even if it isnt pulled no real prospect of success or real investment in the clubs structure no matter what division we are in. Only the blue and white fans who post on here with their heads totally up their own backside would think differently.
OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]first class post - this mess is totally down to them - rank bad management from day 1 with no real prospect of putting the situation right - as I have said all along this once famous club stands on the edge of disappearing should the plug be pulled and even if it isnt pulled no real prospect of success or real investment in the clubs structure no matter what division we are in. Only the blue and white fans who post on here with their heads totally up their own backside would think differently. OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS dangerous dave
  • Score: -3

10:13am Wed 27 Aug 14

Bazzer says...

French Rover wrote:
owd nick wrote:
RoversSwiss wrote:
Bill Carson wrote:
It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues.
It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...
Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them.

The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face.
And probably the most sensible post I have read for ages, Chapeau.
Totally agree Nick, Swiss made some good sensible and realistic points.
Which all makes the decision to sack Big Sam an unbelievably bad decision.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RoversSwiss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill Carson[/bold] wrote: It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues. It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...[/p][/quote]Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them. The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face.[/p][/quote]And probably the most sensible post I have read for ages, Chapeau.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Nick, Swiss made some good sensible and realistic points.[/p][/quote]Which all makes the decision to sack Big Sam an unbelievably bad decision. Bazzer
  • Score: 0

10:15am Wed 27 Aug 14

Its Only a game boy says...

Way down upon the Swanee River,
Far, far away
That's where my heart is turning ever
That's where the old folks stay
All up and down the whole creation,
Sadly I roam
Still longing for the old Deadwood
And for the old folks at home
Way down upon the Swanee River, Far, far away That's where my heart is turning ever That's where the old folks stay All up and down the whole creation, Sadly I roam Still longing for the old Deadwood And for the old folks at home Its Only a game boy
  • Score: 1

10:16am Wed 27 Aug 14

mammamiauk says...

This is extremely bad news. Whether we like it or not, Rovers could well be forced to sell Rhodes and our best players in January 2015. Without our key players, there is a huge risk of relegation, going into administration and/or our worst fears, that Rovers could even cease to exist?
This is extremely bad news. Whether we like it or not, Rovers could well be forced to sell Rhodes and our best players in January 2015. Without our key players, there is a huge risk of relegation, going into administration and/or our worst fears, that Rovers could even cease to exist? mammamiauk
  • Score: 7

10:16am Wed 27 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

And STILL those denying the validity of FFP make their outlandish claims.

Its time to accept that FFP is actually a reality. Our club just like every other club has been aware of it coming into force this year and our club like every other has had the same two year preparation period to make the necessary adjustments to run self sufficiently. The vast majority of clubs have done just that, we on the other hand have not. We therefore find ourselves having to suffer the consequence while othet clubs benefit from our stupidity. And it is just that I'm afraid, stupidity.

We agreed to the rules as we accepted our place back in the football league and we must thereby comply with the rules that govern all clubs in this league. We will not receive preferential treatment, we are not a special case to which the rules do not apply. We now have to pay the price for years of living beyond our means.

We gladly accepted Walkers millions and all things being equal we now have to restructure on a much smaller scale in order to survive.

Make no mistake we WILL go down as a result, the only question is how far we will fall.
And STILL those denying the validity of FFP make their outlandish claims. Its time to accept that FFP is actually a reality. Our club just like every other club has been aware of it coming into force this year and our club like every other has had the same two year preparation period to make the necessary adjustments to run self sufficiently. The vast majority of clubs have done just that, we on the other hand have not. We therefore find ourselves having to suffer the consequence while othet clubs benefit from our stupidity. And it is just that I'm afraid, stupidity. We agreed to the rules as we accepted our place back in the football league and we must thereby comply with the rules that govern all clubs in this league. We will not receive preferential treatment, we are not a special case to which the rules do not apply. We now have to pay the price for years of living beyond our means. We gladly accepted Walkers millions and all things being equal we now have to restructure on a much smaller scale in order to survive. Make no mistake we WILL go down as a result, the only question is how far we will fall. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: 28

10:17am Wed 27 Aug 14

earwego says...

In this morning's press conference, Bruce confirmed that a possible transfer(for Rhodes) is "dead and buried" and the club are moving on to other targets with five days left before the window closes.
In this morning's press conference, Bruce confirmed that a possible transfer(for Rhodes) is "dead and buried" and the club are moving on to other targets with five days left before the window closes. earwego
  • Score: 8

10:19am Wed 27 Aug 14

Its Only a game boy says...

earwego wrote:
In this morning's press conference, Bruce confirmed that a possible transfer(for Rhodes) is "dead and buried" and the club are moving on to other targets with five days left before the window closes.
I believe he was referring to the b.....ds there.
[quote][p][bold]earwego[/bold] wrote: In this morning's press conference, Bruce confirmed that a possible transfer(for Rhodes) is "dead and buried" and the club are moving on to other targets with five days left before the window closes.[/p][/quote]I believe he was referring to the b.....ds there. Its Only a game boy
  • Score: -3

10:23am Wed 27 Aug 14

earwego says...

Its Only a game boy wrote:
earwego wrote:
In this morning's press conference, Bruce confirmed that a possible transfer(for Rhodes) is "dead and buried" and the club are moving on to other targets with five days left before the window closes.
I believe he was referring to the b.....ds there.
Knob head
[quote][p][bold]Its Only a game boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]earwego[/bold] wrote: In this morning's press conference, Bruce confirmed that a possible transfer(for Rhodes) is "dead and buried" and the club are moving on to other targets with five days left before the window closes.[/p][/quote]I believe he was referring to the b.....ds there.[/p][/quote]Knob head earwego
  • Score: 6

10:24am Wed 27 Aug 14

Fatpants666 says...

Premier league or bust.
Premier league or bust. Fatpants666
  • Score: 7

10:27am Wed 27 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

earwego wrote:
In this morning's press conference, Bruce confirmed that a possible transfer(for Rhodes) is "dead and buried" and the club are moving on to other targets with five days left before the window closes.
Of course he's going to say that. Bruce has made Rhodes his number one transfer target so why rock the boat so close to the end of the transfer window. Bruce will be back with an offer at the death and Venkys have now made public their reasons for his sale, they simply cannot afford to keep a £12m asset at risk of injury and a drop in value whilst the club stands in the financial quicksand.

We are a mess and Bruce knows this. I wouldn't be surprised if other clubs are now lining up bids given our financial position.

The future is Brown. Chris Brown.

Oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]earwego[/bold] wrote: In this morning's press conference, Bruce confirmed that a possible transfer(for Rhodes) is "dead and buried" and the club are moving on to other targets with five days left before the window closes.[/p][/quote]Of course he's going to say that. Bruce has made Rhodes his number one transfer target so why rock the boat so close to the end of the transfer window. Bruce will be back with an offer at the death and Venkys have now made public their reasons for his sale, they simply cannot afford to keep a £12m asset at risk of injury and a drop in value whilst the club stands in the financial quicksand. We are a mess and Bruce knows this. I wouldn't be surprised if other clubs are now lining up bids given our financial position. The future is Brown. Chris Brown. Oh dear. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -10

10:27am Wed 27 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

earwego wrote:
In this morning's press conference, Bruce confirmed that a possible transfer(for Rhodes) is "dead and buried" and the club are moving on to other targets with five days left before the window closes.
Of course he's going to say that. Bruce has made Rhodes his number one transfer target so why rock the boat so close to the end of the transfer window. Bruce will be back with an offer at the death and Venkys have now made public their reasons for his sale, they simply cannot afford to keep a £12m asset at risk of injury and a drop in value whilst the club stands in the financial quicksand.

We are a mess and Bruce knows this. I wouldn't be surprised if other clubs are now lining up bids given our financial position.

The future is Brown. Chris Brown.

Oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]earwego[/bold] wrote: In this morning's press conference, Bruce confirmed that a possible transfer(for Rhodes) is "dead and buried" and the club are moving on to other targets with five days left before the window closes.[/p][/quote]Of course he's going to say that. Bruce has made Rhodes his number one transfer target so why rock the boat so close to the end of the transfer window. Bruce will be back with an offer at the death and Venkys have now made public their reasons for his sale, they simply cannot afford to keep a £12m asset at risk of injury and a drop in value whilst the club stands in the financial quicksand. We are a mess and Bruce knows this. I wouldn't be surprised if other clubs are now lining up bids given our financial position. The future is Brown. Chris Brown. Oh dear. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -10

10:29am Wed 27 Aug 14

jack01 says...

At the end of the day Venkys own the club. They can run it as they see fit. Thankfully for the last 4 years they have funded the club and it sounds like they are going to continue to do so. There is very little that you, me, Tom, Dick or Harry can do about it other than continue to support the club.

Perhaps if more local people supported the club by attending Ewood on a Saturday and more local businesses supported the club by using the corporate facilities and buying advertising boards then the club might become a more attractive proposition to invest money into. The club has done its bit by offering below average ticket prices and keeping hold of its best players. Now maybe its time for the people of the area to do their bit.
At the end of the day Venkys own the club. They can run it as they see fit. Thankfully for the last 4 years they have funded the club and it sounds like they are going to continue to do so. There is very little that you, me, Tom, Dick or Harry can do about it other than continue to support the club. Perhaps if more local people supported the club by attending Ewood on a Saturday and more local businesses supported the club by using the corporate facilities and buying advertising boards then the club might become a more attractive proposition to invest money into. The club has done its bit by offering below average ticket prices and keeping hold of its best players. Now maybe its time for the people of the area to do their bit. jack01
  • Score: 9

10:36am Wed 27 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

jack01 wrote:
At the end of the day Venkys own the club. They can run it as they see fit. Thankfully for the last 4 years they have funded the club and it sounds like they are going to continue to do so. There is very little that you, me, Tom, Dick or Harry can do about it other than continue to support the club.

Perhaps if more local people supported the club by attending Ewood on a Saturday and more local businesses supported the club by using the corporate facilities and buying advertising boards then the club might become a more attractive proposition to invest money into. The club has done its bit by offering below average ticket prices and keeping hold of its best players. Now maybe its time for the people of the area to do their bit.
I think they call it pi55ing in the wind.

Irreversible damage has been done and continues to be done. There is no quick fix and our only way to survive this is by putting right the wrongs. We are not a top end Championship club and by the end of this season that will become apparent. We have to cut costs immediately and restructure on a smaller scale. Sad but true.
[quote][p][bold]jack01[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day Venkys own the club. They can run it as they see fit. Thankfully for the last 4 years they have funded the club and it sounds like they are going to continue to do so. There is very little that you, me, Tom, Dick or Harry can do about it other than continue to support the club. Perhaps if more local people supported the club by attending Ewood on a Saturday and more local businesses supported the club by using the corporate facilities and buying advertising boards then the club might become a more attractive proposition to invest money into. The club has done its bit by offering below average ticket prices and keeping hold of its best players. Now maybe its time for the people of the area to do their bit.[/p][/quote]I think they call it pi55ing in the wind. Irreversible damage has been done and continues to be done. There is no quick fix and our only way to survive this is by putting right the wrongs. We are not a top end Championship club and by the end of this season that will become apparent. We have to cut costs immediately and restructure on a smaller scale. Sad but true. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -1

10:42am Wed 27 Aug 14

vicn1956 says...

I'm glad they don't run our chippy.
Financially incompetent. Put people in charge who ripped up the business while they were doey eyed. Treated the customers like scum then asked for loyalty and trust. Put customer against customer. Promised the earth.
When they've left (without losing face and saying sorry) and the club is in what state? will the former customers come back?
I'm glad they don't run our chippy. Financially incompetent. Put people in charge who ripped up the business while they were doey eyed. Treated the customers like scum then asked for loyalty and trust. Put customer against customer. Promised the earth. When they've left (without losing face and saying sorry) and the club is in what state? will the former customers come back? vicn1956
  • Score: -9

10:43am Wed 27 Aug 14

jack01 says...

TurfMoor Tom wrote:
jack01 wrote:
At the end of the day Venkys own the club. They can run it as they see fit. Thankfully for the last 4 years they have funded the club and it sounds like they are going to continue to do so. There is very little that you, me, Tom, Dick or Harry can do about it other than continue to support the club.

Perhaps if more local people supported the club by attending Ewood on a Saturday and more local businesses supported the club by using the corporate facilities and buying advertising boards then the club might become a more attractive proposition to invest money into. The club has done its bit by offering below average ticket prices and keeping hold of its best players. Now maybe its time for the people of the area to do their bit.
I think they call it pi55ing in the wind.

Irreversible damage has been done and continues to be done. There is no quick fix and our only way to survive this is by putting right the wrongs. We are not a top end Championship club and by the end of this season that will become apparent. We have to cut costs immediately and restructure on a smaller scale. Sad but true.
A smaller scale like Burnley you mean?
[quote][p][bold]TurfMoor Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jack01[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day Venkys own the club. They can run it as they see fit. Thankfully for the last 4 years they have funded the club and it sounds like they are going to continue to do so. There is very little that you, me, Tom, Dick or Harry can do about it other than continue to support the club. Perhaps if more local people supported the club by attending Ewood on a Saturday and more local businesses supported the club by using the corporate facilities and buying advertising boards then the club might become a more attractive proposition to invest money into. The club has done its bit by offering below average ticket prices and keeping hold of its best players. Now maybe its time for the people of the area to do their bit.[/p][/quote]I think they call it pi55ing in the wind. Irreversible damage has been done and continues to be done. There is no quick fix and our only way to survive this is by putting right the wrongs. We are not a top end Championship club and by the end of this season that will become apparent. We have to cut costs immediately and restructure on a smaller scale. Sad but true.[/p][/quote]A smaller scale like Burnley you mean? jack01
  • Score: -6

10:43am Wed 27 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

glynners wrote:
So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams
what utter cr@p - why are so many Rovers fans in denial about FFP ??

FFP in the football league was voted in by clubs like ours (Millwall, Birmingham, Burnley Bounemouth etc) to PROTECT clubs like ours from irresponsible MORONIC owners (err like ours).

Irisponsible owners like ours who have lost £66m yes that's SITY SIX MILLION POUNDS over the last 2 years - during that time many of the other clubs in our division have been cutting their costs especially their wage bills in order to comply with FFP and run their clubs in a RESPONSIBLE, long-term SUSTAINABLE way.
[quote][p][bold]glynners[/bold] wrote: So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams[/p][/quote]what utter cr@p - why are so many Rovers fans in denial about FFP ?? FFP in the football league was voted in by clubs like ours (Millwall, Birmingham, Burnley Bounemouth etc) to PROTECT clubs like ours from irresponsible MORONIC owners (err like ours). Irisponsible owners like ours who have lost £66m yes that's SITY SIX MILLION POUNDS over the last 2 years - during that time many of the other clubs in our division have been cutting their costs especially their wage bills in order to comply with FFP and run their clubs in a RESPONSIBLE, long-term SUSTAINABLE way. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 9

10:46am Wed 27 Aug 14

gb1882 says...

The party is fast approaching

RIP BRFC LLTV hahahahahahahaha
The party is fast approaching RIP BRFC LLTV hahahahahahahaha gb1882
  • Score: -9

10:47am Wed 27 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan????

Utter rubbish
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan???? Utter rubbish J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 5

10:48am Wed 27 Aug 14

abetterblackburn says...

Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here.

This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget!
Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here. This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget! abetterblackburn
  • Score: 2

11:02am Wed 27 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

French Rover wrote:
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years??

Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season.

I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY.

Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla.

Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER.

Even for you that's a bit pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud![/p][/quote]Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years?? Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season. I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY. Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla. Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER. Even for you that's a bit pathetic. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 1

11:14am Wed 27 Aug 14

Its Only a game boy says...

abetterblackburn wrote:
Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here.

This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget!
This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England......
[quote][p][bold]abetterblackburn[/bold] wrote: Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here. This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget![/p][/quote]This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England...... Its Only a game boy
  • Score: 2

11:16am Wed 27 Aug 14

Tatts says...

owd nick wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Are QPR going to pay of fine of £60M? No chance! And for that reason, they will have to soften the penalties for the rest of the clubs.
If they had failed to gain promotion QPR wouldn't have a choice, luckily for them they did, and as the PL has a far less draconian interpretation of FFP than that of the FA they fall under their rules.

However, should they be relegated this season they will have to comply with FA rules.
http://www.financial
fairplay.co.uk/finan
cial-fair-play-expla
ined.php

According to the FFP rules stated above, QPR do have to pay a fine, irrespective of what division they are currently in.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Are QPR going to pay of fine of £60M? No chance! And for that reason, they will have to soften the penalties for the rest of the clubs.[/p][/quote]If they had failed to gain promotion QPR wouldn't have a choice, luckily for them they did, and as the PL has a far less draconian interpretation of FFP than that of the FA they fall under their rules. However, should they be relegated this season they will have to comply with FA rules.[/p][/quote]http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/finan cial-fair-play-expla ined.php According to the FFP rules stated above, QPR do have to pay a fine, irrespective of what division they are currently in. Tatts
  • Score: 0

11:16am Wed 27 Aug 14

French Rover says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years??

Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season.

I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY.

Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla.

Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER.

Even for you that's a bit pathetic.
I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it!

As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958.

So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud![/p][/quote]Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years?? Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season. I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY. Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla. Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER. Even for you that's a bit pathetic.[/p][/quote]I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it! As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958. So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it. French Rover
  • Score: 4

11:30am Wed 27 Aug 14

abetterblackburn says...

Its Only a game boy wrote:
abetterblackburn wrote:
Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here.

This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget!
This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England......
“This is 2014 not the 1950's” Can’t argue with that!

Is that all your able to say in defence of today’s football industry? Go on, please tell me how many players live in Blackburn?
[quote][p][bold]Its Only a game boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abetterblackburn[/bold] wrote: Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here. This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget![/p][/quote]This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England......[/p][/quote]“This is 2014 not the 1950's” Can’t argue with that! Is that all your able to say in defence of today’s football industry? Go on, please tell me how many players live in Blackburn? abetterblackburn
  • Score: 3

11:34am Wed 27 Aug 14

earwego says...

Its Only a game boy wrote:
abetterblackburn wrote:
Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here.

This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget!
This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England......
But not in Turd Moor,it still has a ground for the 1920s
[quote][p][bold]Its Only a game boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abetterblackburn[/bold] wrote: Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here. This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget![/p][/quote]This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England......[/p][/quote]But not in Turd Moor,it still has a ground for the 1920s earwego
  • Score: 0

11:41am Wed 27 Aug 14

gb1882 says...

Bet you giggle writing turd moor dont you ?

Least our ground will still be in use in a few years, you are getting what you deserve lets just hope the venkys kill your club slowly it hurts more
Bet you giggle writing turd moor dont you ? Least our ground will still be in use in a few years, you are getting what you deserve lets just hope the venkys kill your club slowly it hurts more gb1882
  • Score: 0

11:43am Wed 27 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

Tatts wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Are QPR going to pay of fine of £60M? No chance! And for that reason, they will have to soften the penalties for the rest of the clubs.
If they had failed to gain promotion QPR wouldn't have a choice, luckily for them they did, and as the PL has a far less draconian interpretation of FFP than that of the FA they fall under their rules.

However, should they be relegated this season they will have to comply with FA rules.
http://www.financial

fairplay.co.uk/finan

cial-fair-play-expla

ined.php

According to the FFP rules stated above, QPR do have to pay a fine, irrespective of what division they are currently in.
Yes and you keep quoting QPR like their paying or not paying a fine will stop FFP from being implemented - it won't , they are 2 separate issues.

Also, you also fail to bring in the fact the any unpaid fines could result in a UEFA or FIFA wide ban as NO club working within these umbrellas are allowed to owe/default on payments to other clubs & presumably national FA's.

As it stands the vast majority of football league clubs are intent (quite rightly) on implementing FFP as they have spent the last 2 years preparing for it.

Also, as far as I am aware there is not a single football league club who are so opposed to FFP (including ourselves) that they are even talking about challenging it through the courts.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Are QPR going to pay of fine of £60M? No chance! And for that reason, they will have to soften the penalties for the rest of the clubs.[/p][/quote]If they had failed to gain promotion QPR wouldn't have a choice, luckily for them they did, and as the PL has a far less draconian interpretation of FFP than that of the FA they fall under their rules. However, should they be relegated this season they will have to comply with FA rules.[/p][/quote]http://www.financial fairplay.co.uk/finan cial-fair-play-expla ined.php According to the FFP rules stated above, QPR do have to pay a fine, irrespective of what division they are currently in.[/p][/quote]Yes and you keep quoting QPR like their paying or not paying a fine will stop FFP from being implemented - it won't , they are 2 separate issues. Also, you also fail to bring in the fact the any unpaid fines could result in a UEFA or FIFA wide ban as NO club working within these umbrellas are allowed to owe/default on payments to other clubs & presumably national FA's. As it stands the vast majority of football league clubs are intent (quite rightly) on implementing FFP as they have spent the last 2 years preparing for it. Also, as far as I am aware there is not a single football league club who are so opposed to FFP (including ourselves) that they are even talking about challenging it through the courts. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 0

11:45am Wed 27 Aug 14

Its Only a game boy says...

abetterblackburn wrote:
Its Only a game boy wrote:
abetterblackburn wrote:
Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here.

This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget!
This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England......
“This is 2014 not the 1950's” Can’t argue with that!

Is that all your able to say in defence of today’s football industry? Go on, please tell me how many players live in Blackburn?
Quite frankly I couldn't give a **** my dear...
[quote][p][bold]abetterblackburn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Its Only a game boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abetterblackburn[/bold] wrote: Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here. This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget![/p][/quote]This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England......[/p][/quote]“This is 2014 not the 1950's” Can’t argue with that! Is that all your able to say in defence of today’s football industry? Go on, please tell me how many players live in Blackburn?[/p][/quote]Quite frankly I couldn't give a **** my dear... Its Only a game boy
  • Score: 0

11:47am Wed 27 Aug 14

Its Only a game boy says...

earwego wrote:
Its Only a game boy wrote:
abetterblackburn wrote:
Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here.

This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget!
This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England......
But not in Turd Moor,it still has a ground for the 1920s
But a ground that is currently hosting Premier League football.

At least the b....ds will have arguably the best ground in League 1 next season....
[quote][p][bold]earwego[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Its Only a game boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abetterblackburn[/bold] wrote: Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here. This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget![/p][/quote]This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England......[/p][/quote]But not in Turd Moor,it still has a ground for the 1920s[/p][/quote]But a ground that is currently hosting Premier League football. At least the b....ds will have arguably the best ground in League 1 next season.... Its Only a game boy
  • Score: -2

11:53am Wed 27 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

French Rover wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years??

Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season.

I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY.

Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla.

Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER.

Even for you that's a bit pathetic.
I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it!

As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958.

So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.
Err yes you DO predict we'll win every week - especially in the season we got relegated.

You have continually posted (even during the Steve Kean meltdown period) that things would be all right if we all looked on the "Brightside" and stopped calling Steve all those horrible names and "get behind the team" bla bla bla.

You aint got an original thought in your brain - just happy clappy rubbish until the point were even you can see its cr@p and then you take the "moderate, reasonable line" saying exactly what I and people like me have be posting about for at least the previous six months whlist you have been ridiculing us as "provocative, "reactionary" "extreamist" "doomongers" etc etc - then 6-9months later you come round to my way of thinking!!!

Do us all a favour and clime back in your bottle of red, who knows when you've supped it all you may actually come up with an original correct thought not just happy clappy, meaningless rubbish!!!!
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud![/p][/quote]Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years?? Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season. I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY. Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla. Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER. Even for you that's a bit pathetic.[/p][/quote]I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it! As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958. So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.[/p][/quote]Err yes you DO predict we'll win every week - especially in the season we got relegated. You have continually posted (even during the Steve Kean meltdown period) that things would be all right if we all looked on the "Brightside" and stopped calling Steve all those horrible names and "get behind the team" bla bla bla. You aint got an original thought in your brain - just happy clappy rubbish until the point were even you can see its cr@p and then you take the "moderate, reasonable line" saying exactly what I and people like me have be posting about for at least the previous six months whlist you have been ridiculing us as "provocative, "reactionary" "extreamist" "doomongers" etc etc - then 6-9months later you come round to my way of thinking!!! Do us all a favour and clime back in your bottle of red, who knows when you've supped it all you may actually come up with an original correct thought not just happy clappy, meaningless rubbish!!!! J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 1

11:56am Wed 27 Aug 14

Nottokeenonthesmellofvaseline says...

Well done venkys, keep up the good work hahahahahaha
Well done venkys, keep up the good work hahahahahaha Nottokeenonthesmellofvaseline
  • Score: -10

11:58am Wed 27 Aug 14

earwego says...

Its Only a game boy wrote:
earwego wrote:
Its Only a game boy wrote:
abetterblackburn wrote:
Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here.

This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget!
This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England......
But not in Turd Moor,it still has a ground for the 1920s
But a ground that is currently hosting Premier League football.

At least the b....ds will have arguably the best ground in League 1 next season....
And you will have the worst ground in the Championship next season to go with your only trophy of sorts as having the worst ground in the premiership this season,to go with the least supported club.
[quote][p][bold]Its Only a game boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]earwego[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Its Only a game boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]abetterblackburn[/bold] wrote: Sick and tired of hearing about foreign owned football firms. Gone are the days where the footballers lived where they played and the game was run by local people. How many players live in Blackburn? Almost as bad as having a Blackburn MP who doesn’t even live here. This is a foreign owned ‘Rovers’ don’t forget![/p][/quote]This is 2014 not the 1950's ......well it is in other parts of England......[/p][/quote]But not in Turd Moor,it still has a ground for the 1920s[/p][/quote]But a ground that is currently hosting Premier League football. At least the b....ds will have arguably the best ground in League 1 next season....[/p][/quote]And you will have the worst ground in the Championship next season to go with your only trophy of sorts as having the worst ground in the premiership this season,to go with the least supported club. earwego
  • Score: 2

11:59am Wed 27 Aug 14

A Darener says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
glynners wrote:
So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams
what utter cr@p - why are so many Rovers fans in denial about FFP ??

FFP in the football league was voted in by clubs like ours (Millwall, Birmingham, Burnley Bounemouth etc) to PROTECT clubs like ours from irresponsible MORONIC owners (err like ours).

Irisponsible owners like ours who have lost £66m yes that's SITY SIX MILLION POUNDS over the last 2 years - during that time many of the other clubs in our division have been cutting their costs especially their wage bills in order to comply with FFP and run their clubs in a RESPONSIBLE, long-term SUSTAINABLE way.
I assume you own all your possessions. So do the Venky's with the Rovers.
If you wish to sell, buy, smash up your belongings without reference to anybody else, you are perfectly entitled to do so. After all it is your choice.
Well football clubs are not allowed to do that because of FFP. Is that fair? No it isn't! It is restrictive practice and ought to be challenged in a court of law. Nobody outside of a club should be allowed to dictate how that club is run. FFP is a rule designed to stop small clubs from joining the elite. Their sole intention is to construct a European league exclusive to the top few teams of each league and pull the ladder up behind them.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glynners[/bold] wrote: So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams[/p][/quote]what utter cr@p - why are so many Rovers fans in denial about FFP ?? FFP in the football league was voted in by clubs like ours (Millwall, Birmingham, Burnley Bounemouth etc) to PROTECT clubs like ours from irresponsible MORONIC owners (err like ours). Irisponsible owners like ours who have lost £66m yes that's SITY SIX MILLION POUNDS over the last 2 years - during that time many of the other clubs in our division have been cutting their costs especially their wage bills in order to comply with FFP and run their clubs in a RESPONSIBLE, long-term SUSTAINABLE way.[/p][/quote]I assume you own all your possessions. So do the Venky's with the Rovers. If you wish to sell, buy, smash up your belongings without reference to anybody else, you are perfectly entitled to do so. After all it is your choice. Well football clubs are not allowed to do that because of FFP. Is that fair? No it isn't! It is restrictive practice and ought to be challenged in a court of law. Nobody outside of a club should be allowed to dictate how that club is run. FFP is a rule designed to stop small clubs from joining the elite. Their sole intention is to construct a European league exclusive to the top few teams of each league and pull the ladder up behind them. A Darener
  • Score: 5

12:07pm Wed 27 Aug 14

mammamiauk says...

jack01 wrote:
At the end of the day Venkys own the club. They can run it as they see fit. Thankfully for the last 4 years they have funded the club and it sounds like they are going to continue to do so. There is very little that you, me, Tom, Dick or Harry can do about it other than continue to support the club. Perhaps if more local people supported the club by attending Ewood on a Saturday and more local businesses supported the club by using the corporate facilities and buying advertising boards then the club might become a more attractive proposition to invest money into. The club has done its bit by offering below average ticket prices and keeping hold of its best players. Now maybe its time for the people of the area to do their bit.
I whole-heartedly agree. I am not even from Blackburn but supported the Rovers only because I was in the area to visit my brother-in-law who claims to be a Chelsea fan but never been to Chelsea in his life. I bought myself a ticket to watch the Rovers play against Fulham quite a number of years ago and been hooked ever since.

I come from London and Rovers are nothing like the London clubs (who are very snobby and not family-orientated) - am so pleased I support the Rovers!

Now I have a season ticket for the second season running and come for all the league home games just to support the team I love.

RTID
[quote][p][bold]jack01[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day Venkys own the club. They can run it as they see fit. Thankfully for the last 4 years they have funded the club and it sounds like they are going to continue to do so. There is very little that you, me, Tom, Dick or Harry can do about it other than continue to support the club. Perhaps if more local people supported the club by attending Ewood on a Saturday and more local businesses supported the club by using the corporate facilities and buying advertising boards then the club might become a more attractive proposition to invest money into. The club has done its bit by offering below average ticket prices and keeping hold of its best players. Now maybe its time for the people of the area to do their bit.[/p][/quote]I whole-heartedly agree. I am not even from Blackburn but supported the Rovers only because I was in the area to visit my brother-in-law who claims to be a Chelsea fan but never been to Chelsea in his life. I bought myself a ticket to watch the Rovers play against Fulham quite a number of years ago and been hooked ever since. I come from London and Rovers are nothing like the London clubs (who are very snobby and not family-orientated) - am so pleased I support the Rovers! Now I have a season ticket for the second season running and come for all the league home games just to support the team I love. RTID mammamiauk
  • Score: 6

12:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

A Darener wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
glynners wrote:
So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams
what utter cr@p - why are so many Rovers fans in denial about FFP ??

FFP in the football league was voted in by clubs like ours (Millwall, Birmingham, Burnley Bounemouth etc) to PROTECT clubs like ours from irresponsible MORONIC owners (err like ours).

Irisponsible owners like ours who have lost £66m yes that's SITY SIX MILLION POUNDS over the last 2 years - during that time many of the other clubs in our division have been cutting their costs especially their wage bills in order to comply with FFP and run their clubs in a RESPONSIBLE, long-term SUSTAINABLE way.
I assume you own all your possessions. So do the Venky's with the Rovers.
If you wish to sell, buy, smash up your belongings without reference to anybody else, you are perfectly entitled to do so. After all it is your choice.
Well football clubs are not allowed to do that because of FFP. Is that fair? No it isn't! It is restrictive practice and ought to be challenged in a court of law. Nobody outside of a club should be allowed to dictate how that club is run. FFP is a rule designed to stop small clubs from joining the elite. Their sole intention is to construct a European league exclusive to the top few teams of each league and pull the ladder up behind them.
Wrong again.

FFP aims to reduce the levels of losses being incurred at football clubs and, over time, establish a league of financially self-sustaining professional football clubs.

The rules are already agreed by all clubs and in place with punishments to non-compliant Championship clubs to be handed out in January 2015. You seem to persist with this misguided notion that we can STILL buy our way out of trouble, its astounding arrogance, it really is.

FFP is not here to destroy our club, its here to restructure our club as a viable business operating within its means to provide us with a football club in the future. That is what all clubs agreed on at the outset. If that ultimately means Blackburn Rovers operate at League One level then so be it. It will be where we deserve to be. Every club will find its fair position.

The rules state that "in the Championship a transfer ban is imposed until the non-compliant club has reduced its losses to a level which allows it to be self sufficient."

We have got to cut our losses to survive. I suggest some of you stop clinging to the notion that we are a big club. We are not.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glynners[/bold] wrote: So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams[/p][/quote]what utter cr@p - why are so many Rovers fans in denial about FFP ?? FFP in the football league was voted in by clubs like ours (Millwall, Birmingham, Burnley Bounemouth etc) to PROTECT clubs like ours from irresponsible MORONIC owners (err like ours). Irisponsible owners like ours who have lost £66m yes that's SITY SIX MILLION POUNDS over the last 2 years - during that time many of the other clubs in our division have been cutting their costs especially their wage bills in order to comply with FFP and run their clubs in a RESPONSIBLE, long-term SUSTAINABLE way.[/p][/quote]I assume you own all your possessions. So do the Venky's with the Rovers. If you wish to sell, buy, smash up your belongings without reference to anybody else, you are perfectly entitled to do so. After all it is your choice. Well football clubs are not allowed to do that because of FFP. Is that fair? No it isn't! It is restrictive practice and ought to be challenged in a court of law. Nobody outside of a club should be allowed to dictate how that club is run. FFP is a rule designed to stop small clubs from joining the elite. Their sole intention is to construct a European league exclusive to the top few teams of each league and pull the ladder up behind them.[/p][/quote]Wrong again. FFP aims to reduce the levels of losses being incurred at football clubs and, over time, establish a league of financially self-sustaining professional football clubs. The rules are already agreed by all clubs and in place with punishments to non-compliant Championship clubs to be handed out in January 2015. You seem to persist with this misguided notion that we can STILL buy our way out of trouble, its astounding arrogance, it really is. FFP is not here to destroy our club, its here to restructure our club as a viable business operating within its means to provide us with a football club in the future. That is what all clubs agreed on at the outset. If that ultimately means Blackburn Rovers operate at League One level then so be it. It will be where we deserve to be. Every club will find its fair position. The rules state that "in the Championship a transfer ban is imposed until the non-compliant club has reduced its losses to a level which allows it to be self sufficient." We have got to cut our losses to survive. I suggest some of you stop clinging to the notion that we are a big club. We are not. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: -20

12:24pm Wed 27 Aug 14

French Rover says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years??

Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season.

I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY.

Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla.

Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER.

Even for you that's a bit pathetic.
I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it!

As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958.

So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.
Err yes you DO predict we'll win every week - especially in the season we got relegated.

You have continually posted (even during the Steve Kean meltdown period) that things would be all right if we all looked on the "Brightside" and stopped calling Steve all those horrible names and "get behind the team" bla bla bla.

You aint got an original thought in your brain - just happy clappy rubbish until the point were even you can see its cr@p and then you take the "moderate, reasonable line" saying exactly what I and people like me have be posting about for at least the previous six months whlist you have been ridiculing us as "provocative, "reactionary" "extreamist" "doomongers" etc etc - then 6-9months later you come round to my way of thinking!!!

Do us all a favour and clime back in your bottle of red, who knows when you've supped it all you may actually come up with an original correct thought not just happy clappy, meaningless rubbish!!!!
grow up jc and anyone like you who uses the words `I preached` and `happy clapper` in the same post deserves all the ridicule they get! Sanctimonious? Undoubtedly.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud![/p][/quote]Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years?? Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season. I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY. Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla. Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER. Even for you that's a bit pathetic.[/p][/quote]I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it! As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958. So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.[/p][/quote]Err yes you DO predict we'll win every week - especially in the season we got relegated. You have continually posted (even during the Steve Kean meltdown period) that things would be all right if we all looked on the "Brightside" and stopped calling Steve all those horrible names and "get behind the team" bla bla bla. You aint got an original thought in your brain - just happy clappy rubbish until the point were even you can see its cr@p and then you take the "moderate, reasonable line" saying exactly what I and people like me have be posting about for at least the previous six months whlist you have been ridiculing us as "provocative, "reactionary" "extreamist" "doomongers" etc etc - then 6-9months later you come round to my way of thinking!!! Do us all a favour and clime back in your bottle of red, who knows when you've supped it all you may actually come up with an original correct thought not just happy clappy, meaningless rubbish!!!![/p][/quote]grow up jc and anyone like you who uses the words `I preached` and `happy clapper` in the same post deserves all the ridicule they get! Sanctimonious? Undoubtedly. French Rover
  • Score: -1

12:24pm Wed 27 Aug 14

A Darener says...

TMT it is not "we" have to....." You are NOT a Rovers fan in any shape or form. Just clear off and give the rest of us a rest.
TMT it is not "we" have to....." You are NOT a Rovers fan in any shape or form. Just clear off and give the rest of us a rest. A Darener
  • Score: 5

12:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

crankitup says...

this is all their own doing......if they'd done the right thing and kept Big Sam and his backroom staff along with Williams we could have stayed up and built from there....but NO! they knew best and made wholesale changes...and chose not to listen to the fans and people in the know

then they thought it wise to employ scabby minge who himself didn't know what his role at the club was

then the made an enemy of a large section of the fans who to date stay away from the ground or just attend away games and refuse to buy club merchandise...

and who suffers?......the Club, Venkys if you want to know who is responsible for this mess....take a long hard look in the mirror.

if you want to know how the fans feel.....take a look at the attendances on match days.

thanks a lot.
this is all their own doing......if they'd done the right thing and kept Big Sam and his backroom staff along with Williams we could have stayed up and built from there....but NO! they knew best and made wholesale changes...and chose not to listen to the fans and people in the know then they thought it wise to employ scabby minge who himself didn't know what his role at the club was then the made an enemy of a large section of the fans who to date stay away from the ground or just attend away games and refuse to buy club merchandise... and who suffers?......the Club, Venkys if you want to know who is responsible for this mess....take a long hard look in the mirror. if you want to know how the fans feel.....take a look at the attendances on match days. thanks a lot. crankitup
  • Score: 9

12:28pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Raymond Ban says...

gb1882 wrote:
Bet you giggle writing turd moor dont you ?

Least our ground will still be in use in a few years, you are getting what you deserve lets just hope the venkys kill your club slowly it hurts more
Explain in detail why we are getting what we deserve? Are you so utterly obsessed with hating a football club that has out classed you, out won you, out trophied you, out historied you and generally owns every record of any significance compared to Bonleh that you hope Venkys kill Blackburn Rovers?

You couldn't have summed up what being a dingle is about any better.

Another desperate small minded classless redneck.
[quote][p][bold]gb1882[/bold] wrote: Bet you giggle writing turd moor dont you ? Least our ground will still be in use in a few years, you are getting what you deserve lets just hope the venkys kill your club slowly it hurts more[/p][/quote]Explain in detail why we are getting what we deserve? Are you so utterly obsessed with hating a football club that has out classed you, out won you, out trophied you, out historied you and generally owns every record of any significance compared to Bonleh that you hope Venkys kill Blackburn Rovers? You couldn't have summed up what being a dingle is about any better. Another desperate small minded classless redneck. Raymond Ban
  • Score: 16

12:47pm Wed 27 Aug 14

gb1882 says...

Nothing to do with what you have won, you are the worst set of fans football has seen with the victim playing since venkys arrived nothing is your fault from turning your backs on your team when they needed you to booing against Bolton after 2 minutes in a key game again this isnt your fault. You have never been higher in the league since you got Kean out yet still you blame him.

You deserve to go bust, deserve to rot and you can all go back to your hobbies pre jack
Nothing to do with what you have won, you are the worst set of fans football has seen with the victim playing since venkys arrived nothing is your fault from turning your backs on your team when they needed you to booing against Bolton after 2 minutes in a key game again this isnt your fault. You have never been higher in the league since you got Kean out yet still you blame him. You deserve to go bust, deserve to rot and you can all go back to your hobbies pre jack gb1882
  • Score: -4

12:47pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Blackburn_End says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
Where I have I said they are "meaningless"?

I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient.

The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages.

Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]Where I have I said they are "meaningless"? I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient. The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages. Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy. Blackburn_End
  • Score: 2

1:00pm Wed 27 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

Blackburn_End wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
Where I have I said they are "meaningless"?

I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient.

The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages.

Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy.
I'm sorry but I have to correct you...

"A reduction in the wage bill from £39.6m to £34.6m"

Does not represent

"The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient"

A massive step? LOL!

We're down to the bare bones and yet still we've got a £34.6m wage bill!!! In the second division!!!

We are a million miles from being self-sufficient and will remain so as long as we're handing out obscene contracts in a desperate bid to cling onto the notion that we are in any way capable of challenging for promotion. We aren't. The longer we run with these kinds of losses, the longer our eventual recovery will take. At present I see us looking at several years of rebuilding.

Whoever you work for needs to ask themselves one or two questions if you think things are improving.
[quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]Where I have I said they are "meaningless"? I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient. The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages. Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but I have to correct you... "A reduction in the wage bill from £39.6m to £34.6m" Does not represent "The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient" A massive step? LOL! We're down to the bare bones and yet still we've got a £34.6m wage bill!!! In the second division!!! We are a million miles from being self-sufficient and will remain so as long as we're handing out obscene contracts in a desperate bid to cling onto the notion that we are in any way capable of challenging for promotion. We aren't. The longer we run with these kinds of losses, the longer our eventual recovery will take. At present I see us looking at several years of rebuilding. Whoever you work for needs to ask themselves one or two questions if you think things are improving. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
Very good JC...very illuminating
Now, whats your solution_? Do tell.....
Troll
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]Very good JC...very illuminating Now, whats your solution_? Do tell..... Troll Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 2

2:03pm Wed 27 Aug 14

roverstid says...

Riverside 7 wrote:
More scaremongering from Dan Grabko & the Rovers Trust.

Dan Grabko, is the Amercian expat living and working in Sweden and the Finance Officer of the Rovers Trust.

I hope someone at the Rovers Trust can tell us all how their plans to obtain a full or part-ownership of Blackburn Rovers Football Club are progressing.

How about starting by telling us how much money has been raised or even pledged by fans.

Venkys own 99.9% of the shares in BRFC and just like the owners of Chelsea and Manchester City, they are funding the losses.
It will only be a problem if Venkys decide that they have had enough.

The same would apply if Abramovich decided to pull out at Chelsea because he too has been funding massive losses.

The FFP Rules are unfair as they restrict owners of smaller clubs from investing their own monies - like Jack Walker did in the 1990's.

I'm no Venky lover, but we are where we are and unfortunately we can only hope that they can turn things around.

Finally, am I confident that we will get promoted this season under GB? - no I'm not.
Agree 100%.

A friend recently learned he has cancer. Being of a somewhat positive and jovial disposition, he took the news very well and continues to do so even though the chemo and meds have physically messed him up, he still maintains that positive outlook which most people that know him have acknowledged is amazing - and in a similar situation couldn't see themselves being able to do the same.

In a conversation recently we asked him how he he does it, he appears to be planning for a future for his family and trying to secure it by paying off his debts etc rather than making the most of his time here. His reply was that he had decided he wasn't going to spend time worrying about things he had no control over and instead concentrate on the things he did have control of.

In many ways I see the correlation of our bleak situation at Rovers and that of my friend's.

We cannot control the financial situation and its pointless worrying about it and counter-productive going on and on about it and squabbling with each other branding fans as 'Venkys lovers' because they don't join in the tired old venky-hate.

As others have said, we all know what happened, who were to blame and who brought us here. We should also acknowledge though that they have since then, shown great loyalty and made amends in terms of backing the manager and despite many questions about how deep their pockets are, shown they at least appear to have the financial fortitude to keep the club going without sacrificing key players like Rhodes in our bid for promotion.

As fans and supporters of the club, the only thing we can do is influence what happens on match days by getting behind our team. I for one have started enjoying the football more and more - second half warts and all.

But yes, questions have to be asked about whether Bowyer is the right man for promotion aims - and mine is also sadly.. No.

I am REALLY hoping he proves us wrong though because I cannot even contemplate the idea of another harrowing managerial change!
[quote][p][bold]Riverside 7[/bold] wrote: More scaremongering from Dan Grabko & the Rovers Trust. Dan Grabko, is the Amercian expat living and working in Sweden and the Finance Officer of the Rovers Trust. I hope someone at the Rovers Trust can tell us all how their plans to obtain a full or part-ownership of Blackburn Rovers Football Club are progressing. How about starting by telling us how much money has been raised or even pledged by fans. Venkys own 99.9% of the shares in BRFC and just like the owners of Chelsea and Manchester City, they are funding the losses. It will only be a problem if Venkys decide that they have had enough. The same would apply if Abramovich decided to pull out at Chelsea because he too has been funding massive losses. The FFP Rules are unfair as they restrict owners of smaller clubs from investing their own monies - like Jack Walker did in the 1990's. I'm no Venky lover, but we are where we are and unfortunately we can only hope that they can turn things around. Finally, am I confident that we will get promoted this season under GB? - no I'm not.[/p][/quote]Agree 100%. A friend recently learned he has cancer. Being of a somewhat positive and jovial disposition, he took the news very well and continues to do so even though the chemo and meds have physically messed him up, he still maintains that positive outlook which most people that know him have acknowledged is amazing - and in a similar situation couldn't see themselves being able to do the same. In a conversation recently we asked him how he he does it, he appears to be planning for a future for his family and trying to secure it by paying off his debts etc rather than making the most of his time here. His reply was that he had decided he wasn't going to spend time worrying about things he had no control over and instead concentrate on the things he did have control of. In many ways I see the correlation of our bleak situation at Rovers and that of my friend's. We cannot control the financial situation and its pointless worrying about it and counter-productive going on and on about it and squabbling with each other branding fans as 'Venkys lovers' because they don't join in the tired old venky-hate. As others have said, we all know what happened, who were to blame and who brought us here. We should also acknowledge though that they have since then, shown great loyalty and made amends in terms of backing the manager and despite many questions about how deep their pockets are, shown they at least appear to have the financial fortitude to keep the club going without sacrificing key players like Rhodes in our bid for promotion. As fans and supporters of the club, the only thing we can do is influence what happens on match days by getting behind our team. I for one have started enjoying the football more and more - second half warts and all. But yes, questions have to be asked about whether Bowyer is the right man for promotion aims - and mine is also sadly.. No. I am REALLY hoping he proves us wrong though because I cannot even contemplate the idea of another harrowing managerial change! roverstid
  • Score: 3

2:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Richard Oakley says...

The £4.7m player trading figure was in line with the figure I was expecting only the direction was not. I was expecting that amount coming in. £3.4m debt written off. That requires some explanation when Rovers need the money. To my mind that's £17m going the wrong way. Some of that may be explained by VLL's financial year running April - March and Blackburn Rovers running July-June.

FFP won't just impose a transfer ban, but a fine similar to the size of loss, if Rovers post a loss similar to the parent company. I can't quite see how a £35m fine will help Blackburn Rovers become run on a sustainable basis. It's more likely to result in administration.

The 121% loss to income ratio is in line with the audit of clubs recently conducted and doesn't paint a happy state of football club finances, in general.

The VLL figures suggest Blackburn Rovers still needs to reduce the wage bill and operating expenses. The full scope of the reduction in wages probably won't show until the 2015-6 season figures as Bowyer has already indicated. Net debt is now back to where it was when Venkys bought the football club and is likely to grow .
The £4.7m player trading figure was in line with the figure I was expecting only the direction was not. I was expecting that amount coming in. £3.4m debt written off. That requires some explanation when Rovers need the money. To my mind that's £17m going the wrong way. Some of that may be explained by VLL's financial year running April - March and Blackburn Rovers running July-June. FFP won't just impose a transfer ban, but a fine similar to the size of loss, if Rovers post a loss similar to the parent company. I can't quite see how a £35m fine will help Blackburn Rovers become run on a sustainable basis. It's more likely to result in administration. The 121% loss to income ratio is in line with the audit of clubs recently conducted and doesn't paint a happy state of football club finances, in general. The VLL figures suggest Blackburn Rovers still needs to reduce the wage bill and operating expenses. The full scope of the reduction in wages probably won't show until the 2015-6 season figures as Bowyer has already indicated. Net debt is now back to where it was when Venkys bought the football club and is likely to grow . Richard Oakley
  • Score: -1

2:34pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Belfast Claret says...

glynners wrote:
So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams
Erm?...... I think it means, stick to the rules the first time round.
[quote][p][bold]glynners[/bold] wrote: So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams[/p][/quote]Erm?...... I think it means, stick to the rules the first time round. Belfast Claret
  • Score: -1

3:03pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Blackburn_End says...

TurfMoor Tom wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
Where I have I said they are "meaningless"?

I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient.

The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages.

Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy.
I'm sorry but I have to correct you...

"A reduction in the wage bill from £39.6m to £34.6m"

Does not represent

"The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient"

A massive step? LOL!

We're down to the bare bones and yet still we've got a £34.6m wage bill!!! In the second division!!!

We are a million miles from being self-sufficient and will remain so as long as we're handing out obscene contracts in a desperate bid to cling onto the notion that we are in any way capable of challenging for promotion. We aren't. The longer we run with these kinds of losses, the longer our eventual recovery will take. At present I see us looking at several years of rebuilding.

Whoever you work for needs to ask themselves one or two questions if you think things are improving.
You do realise that published accounts are for the previous year 31st Match 2013?? A lot (or all) of the hard work reducing the wage bill will not be evident on this set of accounts.

The net worth of Venkys London Limited is £26,791. 65. Making it very fluent... so stop wetting your pants.

I don't tell you how to sweep the streets Dingle!
[quote][p][bold]TurfMoor Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]Where I have I said they are "meaningless"? I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient. The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages. Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but I have to correct you... "A reduction in the wage bill from £39.6m to £34.6m" Does not represent "The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient" A massive step? LOL! We're down to the bare bones and yet still we've got a £34.6m wage bill!!! In the second division!!! We are a million miles from being self-sufficient and will remain so as long as we're handing out obscene contracts in a desperate bid to cling onto the notion that we are in any way capable of challenging for promotion. We aren't. The longer we run with these kinds of losses, the longer our eventual recovery will take. At present I see us looking at several years of rebuilding. Whoever you work for needs to ask themselves one or two questions if you think things are improving.[/p][/quote]You do realise that published accounts are for the previous year 31st Match 2013?? A lot (or all) of the hard work reducing the wage bill will not be evident on this set of accounts. The net worth of Venkys London Limited is £26,791. 65. Making it very fluent... so stop wetting your pants. I don't tell you how to sweep the streets Dingle! Blackburn_End
  • Score: 1

3:07pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Blackburn_End says...

Blackburn_End wrote:
TurfMoor Tom wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
Where I have I said they are "meaningless"?

I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient.

The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages.

Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy.
I'm sorry but I have to correct you...

"A reduction in the wage bill from £39.6m to £34.6m"

Does not represent

"The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient"

A massive step? LOL!

We're down to the bare bones and yet still we've got a £34.6m wage bill!!! In the second division!!!

We are a million miles from being self-sufficient and will remain so as long as we're handing out obscene contracts in a desperate bid to cling onto the notion that we are in any way capable of challenging for promotion. We aren't. The longer we run with these kinds of losses, the longer our eventual recovery will take. At present I see us looking at several years of rebuilding.

Whoever you work for needs to ask themselves one or two questions if you think things are improving.
You do realise that published accounts are for the previous year 31st Match 2013?? A lot (or all) of the hard work reducing the wage bill will not be evident on this set of accounts.

The net worth of Venkys London Limited is £26,791. 65. Making it very fluent... so stop wetting your pants.

I don't tell you how to sweep the streets Dingle!
or 26,791,646 even!!
[quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TurfMoor Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]Where I have I said they are "meaningless"? I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient. The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages. Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but I have to correct you... "A reduction in the wage bill from £39.6m to £34.6m" Does not represent "The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient" A massive step? LOL! We're down to the bare bones and yet still we've got a £34.6m wage bill!!! In the second division!!! We are a million miles from being self-sufficient and will remain so as long as we're handing out obscene contracts in a desperate bid to cling onto the notion that we are in any way capable of challenging for promotion. We aren't. The longer we run with these kinds of losses, the longer our eventual recovery will take. At present I see us looking at several years of rebuilding. Whoever you work for needs to ask themselves one or two questions if you think things are improving.[/p][/quote]You do realise that published accounts are for the previous year 31st Match 2013?? A lot (or all) of the hard work reducing the wage bill will not be evident on this set of accounts. The net worth of Venkys London Limited is £26,791. 65. Making it very fluent... so stop wetting your pants. I don't tell you how to sweep the streets Dingle![/p][/quote]or 26,791,646 even!! Blackburn_End
  • Score: 1

4:02pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person
As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons
But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all
Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: 1

4:09pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan????

Utter rubbish
Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan???? Utter rubbish[/p][/quote]Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 1

4:10pm Wed 27 Aug 14

TurfMoor Tom says...

Blackburn_End wrote:
TurfMoor Tom wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
Where I have I said they are "meaningless"?

I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient.

The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages.

Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy.
I'm sorry but I have to correct you...

"A reduction in the wage bill from £39.6m to £34.6m"

Does not represent

"The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient"

A massive step? LOL!

We're down to the bare bones and yet still we've got a £34.6m wage bill!!! In the second division!!!

We are a million miles from being self-sufficient and will remain so as long as we're handing out obscene contracts in a desperate bid to cling onto the notion that we are in any way capable of challenging for promotion. We aren't. The longer we run with these kinds of losses, the longer our eventual recovery will take. At present I see us looking at several years of rebuilding.

Whoever you work for needs to ask themselves one or two questions if you think things are improving.
You do realise that published accounts are for the previous year 31st Match 2013?? A lot (or all) of the hard work reducing the wage bill will not be evident on this set of accounts.

The net worth of Venkys London Limited is £26,791. 65. Making it very fluent... so stop wetting your pants.

I don't tell you how to sweep the streets Dingle!
Rovers fan.

And its these very accounts upon which the FFP sanctions are based you moron. We've had two years to sort our overspending club out and we have failed on all counts. There is no way around it, its time to pay up.
[quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TurfMoor Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]Where I have I said they are "meaningless"? I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient. The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages. Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but I have to correct you... "A reduction in the wage bill from £39.6m to £34.6m" Does not represent "The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient" A massive step? LOL! We're down to the bare bones and yet still we've got a £34.6m wage bill!!! In the second division!!! We are a million miles from being self-sufficient and will remain so as long as we're handing out obscene contracts in a desperate bid to cling onto the notion that we are in any way capable of challenging for promotion. We aren't. The longer we run with these kinds of losses, the longer our eventual recovery will take. At present I see us looking at several years of rebuilding. Whoever you work for needs to ask themselves one or two questions if you think things are improving.[/p][/quote]You do realise that published accounts are for the previous year 31st Match 2013?? A lot (or all) of the hard work reducing the wage bill will not be evident on this set of accounts. The net worth of Venkys London Limited is £26,791. 65. Making it very fluent... so stop wetting your pants. I don't tell you how to sweep the streets Dingle![/p][/quote]Rovers fan. And its these very accounts upon which the FFP sanctions are based you moron. We've had two years to sort our overspending club out and we have failed on all counts. There is no way around it, its time to pay up. TurfMoor Tom
  • Score: 0

4:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

shirtbox says...

Venkys London Ltd.
reg office & trading Address 7 Devonshire place. London. ec2m4ayh.
no phone no.
no e-mail address.
no contact person available.
no current company secrety.
£343,090 cash.
£26,791,646 net worth.
£5,787,968 assets.
£32,148,207 liabalities.
work that out. they also had 279 employee,s in 2013.
Venkys London Ltd. reg office & trading Address 7 Devonshire place. London. ec2m4ayh. no phone no. no e-mail address. no contact person available. no current company secrety. £343,090 cash. £26,791,646 net worth. £5,787,968 assets. £32,148,207 liabalities. work that out. they also had 279 employee,s in 2013. shirtbox
  • Score: 1

4:37pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions says...

owd nick wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
Apart from his usual puerile rants at Venky's and "Venky's lovers" I totally agree with JC.

Don't you think it's time to drop that side of your argument JC?

It ruins what is otherwise an excellent post and detracts from the message, which is crucial to the survival of Blackburn Rovers, with or without Venky's.

These figures are those of the parent company, VLL, they are bound to have some effect but the key figures are those of Blackburn Rovers when they are published later in the year, they won't be good and they will be the figures the club is judged on via FFP.

We have already been prepared for this by Derek Shaw who has said time and again it's going to take two season, this and next to get on an even keel again, we are taking a massive financial hit this and last season by clearing the decks, this may or may not stand us in good stead with the FA, only time will tell.

For the guys suggesting we spend, spend, spend now prior to FFP taking hold, well I am sorry, we are already in a severe loss situation, we are going to be penalised for those losses, any further spending will simply increase these losses and the subsequent penalties.

That would simply be lunacy.
You just couldn't resist it, could you?

The Venkys have brought the club to the precipice of oblivion and all you can do is call some one that outlines the very real danger the club is in - the soul, the fabric, the very existence of the club - and you accuse them of "puerile rants" for daring to criticise your precious Venkys. Wow. Just, wow.

Happy-Clapper indeed.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]Apart from his usual puerile rants at Venky's and "Venky's lovers" I totally agree with JC. Don't you think it's time to drop that side of your argument JC? It ruins what is otherwise an excellent post and detracts from the message, which is crucial to the survival of Blackburn Rovers, with or without Venky's. These figures are those of the parent company, VLL, they are bound to have some effect but the key figures are those of Blackburn Rovers when they are published later in the year, they won't be good and they will be the figures the club is judged on via FFP. We have already been prepared for this by Derek Shaw who has said time and again it's going to take two season, this and next to get on an even keel again, we are taking a massive financial hit this and last season by clearing the decks, this may or may not stand us in good stead with the FA, only time will tell. For the guys suggesting we spend, spend, spend now prior to FFP taking hold, well I am sorry, we are already in a severe loss situation, we are going to be penalised for those losses, any further spending will simply increase these losses and the subsequent penalties. That would simply be lunacy.[/p][/quote]You just couldn't resist it, could you? The Venkys have brought the club to the precipice of oblivion and all you can do is call some one that outlines the very real danger the club is in - the soul, the fabric, the very existence of the club - and you accuse them of "puerile rants" for daring to criticise your precious Venkys. Wow. Just, wow. Happy-Clapper indeed. BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions
  • Score: 6

4:45pm Wed 27 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan????

Utter rubbish
Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games.
who said I don't go to games ?? - I have NEVER posted that.

Why not explain it to me at the Wolves game - ooops sorry forgot you're such a part timer you only go to home games unlike me who's travelled all over England and Europe over the last 35 years.

Support your team home and away or don't bother calling yourself a fan !!
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan???? Utter rubbish[/p][/quote]Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games.[/p][/quote]who said I don't go to games ?? - I have NEVER posted that. Why not explain it to me at the Wolves game - ooops sorry forgot you're such a part timer you only go to home games unlike me who's travelled all over England and Europe over the last 35 years. Support your team home and away or don't bother calling yourself a fan !! J.C - Rishton
  • Score: -2

4:46pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years??

Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season.

I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY.

Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla.

Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER.

Even for you that's a bit pathetic.
But that's the Happy-Clapper way. They live in the moment, cheap thrills and instant adrenalin. "Prudence" and "due care" are not in their vocabulary. To these immature "fans" , it is people like you and I that destroyed BRFC. I'm left utterly awe struck at the ammount of negative votes people like you get. It is truly astonishing to behold.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud![/p][/quote]Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years?? Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season. I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY. Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla. Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER. Even for you that's a bit pathetic.[/p][/quote]But that's the Happy-Clapper way. They live in the moment, cheap thrills and instant adrenalin. "Prudence" and "due care" are not in their vocabulary. To these immature "fans" , it is people like you and I that destroyed BRFC. I'm left utterly awe struck at the ammount of negative votes people like you get. It is truly astonishing to behold. BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions
  • Score: 1

4:52pm Wed 27 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

TurfMoor Tom wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
TurfMoor Tom wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
Where I have I said they are "meaningless"?

I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient.

The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages.

Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy.
I'm sorry but I have to correct you...

"A reduction in the wage bill from £39.6m to £34.6m"

Does not represent

"The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient"

A massive step? LOL!

We're down to the bare bones and yet still we've got a £34.6m wage bill!!! In the second division!!!

We are a million miles from being self-sufficient and will remain so as long as we're handing out obscene contracts in a desperate bid to cling onto the notion that we are in any way capable of challenging for promotion. We aren't. The longer we run with these kinds of losses, the longer our eventual recovery will take. At present I see us looking at several years of rebuilding.

Whoever you work for needs to ask themselves one or two questions if you think things are improving.
You do realise that published accounts are for the previous year 31st Match 2013?? A lot (or all) of the hard work reducing the wage bill will not be evident on this set of accounts.

The net worth of Venkys London Limited is £26,791. 65. Making it very fluent... so stop wetting your pants.

I don't tell you how to sweep the streets Dingle!
Rovers fan.

And its these very accounts upon which the FFP sanctions are based you moron. We've had two years to sort our overspending club out and we have failed on all counts. There is no way around it, its time to pay up.
how does £25.79m is assets make you "very fluent" (I think you me affluent although my Spanish has improved this year) when our liabilities are listed at £32m - that make us approx MINUS -£6m and this figure grows every day.
[quote][p][bold]TurfMoor Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TurfMoor Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]Where I have I said they are "meaningless"? I said the accounts were always going to show a massive operating loss due to the expenses (mainly wages) that we have had in the past financial year. The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient. The club is now cutting its cloth accordingly and gone are the reckless spending on transfer fee's and wages. Ps. I am a FSA approved finance broker so perfectly aware and qualified in accountancy.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but I have to correct you... "A reduction in the wage bill from £39.6m to £34.6m" Does not represent "The club has now made massive step to cull the wages of top earners and make the club more self sufficient" A massive step? LOL! We're down to the bare bones and yet still we've got a £34.6m wage bill!!! In the second division!!! We are a million miles from being self-sufficient and will remain so as long as we're handing out obscene contracts in a desperate bid to cling onto the notion that we are in any way capable of challenging for promotion. We aren't. The longer we run with these kinds of losses, the longer our eventual recovery will take. At present I see us looking at several years of rebuilding. Whoever you work for needs to ask themselves one or two questions if you think things are improving.[/p][/quote]You do realise that published accounts are for the previous year 31st Match 2013?? A lot (or all) of the hard work reducing the wage bill will not be evident on this set of accounts. The net worth of Venkys London Limited is £26,791. 65. Making it very fluent... so stop wetting your pants. I don't tell you how to sweep the streets Dingle![/p][/quote]Rovers fan. And its these very accounts upon which the FFP sanctions are based you moron. We've had two years to sort our overspending club out and we have failed on all counts. There is no way around it, its time to pay up.[/p][/quote]how does £25.79m is assets make you "very fluent" (I think you me affluent although my Spanish has improved this year) when our liabilities are listed at £32m - that make us approx MINUS -£6m and this figure grows every day. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 2

4:53pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years??

Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season.

I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY.

Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla.

Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER.

Even for you that's a bit pathetic.
I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it!

As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958.

So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.
Err yes you DO predict we'll win every week - especially in the season we got relegated.

You have continually posted (even during the Steve Kean meltdown period) that things would be all right if we all looked on the "Brightside" and stopped calling Steve all those horrible names and "get behind the team" bla bla bla.

You aint got an original thought in your brain - just happy clappy rubbish until the point were even you can see its cr@p and then you take the "moderate, reasonable line" saying exactly what I and people like me have be posting about for at least the previous six months whlist you have been ridiculing us as "provocative, "reactionary" "extreamist" "doomongers" etc etc - then 6-9months later you come round to my way of thinking!!!

Do us all a favour and clime back in your bottle of red, who knows when you've supped it all you may actually come up with an original correct thought not just happy clappy, meaningless rubbish!!!!
This is actually very true. I argued with the fella through that long hard 2011-2012 season and you are absolutely right; he predicts victories and scorelines that leave me flabbergasted. No grip on reality at all. And that is the tragedy of this whole affair, so many Rovers "fans" out there simply do not get it.

People like Odw Nick, French Rover, Welsh Rover, etc portray themselves as the voices of moderation but are actually extreme in their views with little to no tolerance for anyone that does not agree with them.

They resort to questioning peoples mental health, call them names Owd Nick likes to smear people as "racist" and they often report comments and try to have people banned. They engage in all kinds of skulduggery and jiggerypokery. It really is sordid.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud![/p][/quote]Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years?? Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season. I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY. Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla. Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER. Even for you that's a bit pathetic.[/p][/quote]I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it! As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958. So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.[/p][/quote]Err yes you DO predict we'll win every week - especially in the season we got relegated. You have continually posted (even during the Steve Kean meltdown period) that things would be all right if we all looked on the "Brightside" and stopped calling Steve all those horrible names and "get behind the team" bla bla bla. You aint got an original thought in your brain - just happy clappy rubbish until the point were even you can see its cr@p and then you take the "moderate, reasonable line" saying exactly what I and people like me have be posting about for at least the previous six months whlist you have been ridiculing us as "provocative, "reactionary" "extreamist" "doomongers" etc etc - then 6-9months later you come round to my way of thinking!!! Do us all a favour and clime back in your bottle of red, who knows when you've supped it all you may actually come up with an original correct thought not just happy clappy, meaningless rubbish!!!![/p][/quote]This is actually very true. I argued with the fella through that long hard 2011-2012 season and you are absolutely right; he predicts victories and scorelines that leave me flabbergasted. No grip on reality at all. And that is the tragedy of this whole affair, so many Rovers "fans" out there simply do not get it. People like Odw Nick, French Rover, Welsh Rover, etc portray themselves as the voices of moderation but are actually extreme in their views with little to no tolerance for anyone that does not agree with them. They resort to questioning peoples mental health, call them names Owd Nick likes to smear people as "racist" and they often report comments and try to have people banned. They engage in all kinds of skulduggery and jiggerypokery. It really is sordid. BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions
  • Score: 1

4:59pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
Very good JC...very illuminating
Now, whats your solution_? Do tell.....
Troll
You were another one the season we were relegated; defending Kean to the hilt whilst admonishing any one that criticised the Venkys.

Why should JC have to "solve" what the Venkys have done. Don't blame him for the mess we're in because he can't fix what the Venkys have broken. What sort of arrogant stupidity is that?

Having a go at a true fan by expecting him to put right what the Venkys have done wrong? How morally obscene.
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]Very good JC...very illuminating Now, whats your solution_? Do tell..... Troll[/p][/quote]You were another one the season we were relegated; defending Kean to the hilt whilst admonishing any one that criticised the Venkys. Why should JC have to "solve" what the Venkys have done. Don't blame him for the mess we're in because he can't fix what the Venkys have broken. What sort of arrogant stupidity is that? Having a go at a true fan by expecting him to put right what the Venkys have done wrong? How morally obscene. BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions
  • Score: -1

5:03pm Wed 27 Aug 14

J.C - Rishton says...

BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp
ions
wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years??

Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season.

I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY.

Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla.

Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER.

Even for you that's a bit pathetic.
But that's the Happy-Clapper way. They live in the moment, cheap thrills and instant adrenalin. "Prudence" and "due care" are not in their vocabulary. To these immature "fans" , it is people like you and I that destroyed BRFC. I'm left utterly awe struck at the ammount of negative votes people like you get. It is truly astonishing to behold.
Its because its easier and simpler just to be nicey nicey, smiley smiley and kid yourself (and in turnall the other sheep) that everythings fine rather than look at the picture as though your a neutral fan and see situations as they really are not just how we all want them to be.

Some of these people just can't comprehend or refuse to take in the huge amounts of money that we lose day by day - they kid themselves that its not real or that it'll never really have to be paid back and if it does then it'll not impact on the playing side - which of course it has done and will continue to do so.

They also kid themselves that Venkys are now "victims" and have "learned their lessons" and that now they are "good owners" - just because they put money into the club - which in reality (in the short term) they have to do and that they haven't sacked our current manager in the last 12 months.

The truth is Venkys still don't run Rovers anywhere near as well as most of our rivals, they have failed to take difficult financial decisions and their only strategy is that we get promoted this season - there appears to be no plan B at all.
[quote][p][bold]BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp ions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud![/p][/quote]Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years?? Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season. I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY. Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla. Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER. Even for you that's a bit pathetic.[/p][/quote]But that's the Happy-Clapper way. They live in the moment, cheap thrills and instant adrenalin. "Prudence" and "due care" are not in their vocabulary. To these immature "fans" , it is people like you and I that destroyed BRFC. I'm left utterly awe struck at the ammount of negative votes people like you get. It is truly astonishing to behold.[/p][/quote]Its because its easier and simpler just to be nicey nicey, smiley smiley and kid yourself (and in turnall the other sheep) that everythings fine rather than look at the picture as though your a neutral fan and see situations as they really are not just how we all want them to be. Some of these people just can't comprehend or refuse to take in the huge amounts of money that we lose day by day - they kid themselves that its not real or that it'll never really have to be paid back and if it does then it'll not impact on the playing side - which of course it has done and will continue to do so. They also kid themselves that Venkys are now "victims" and have "learned their lessons" and that now they are "good owners" - just because they put money into the club - which in reality (in the short term) they have to do and that they haven't sacked our current manager in the last 12 months. The truth is Venkys still don't run Rovers anywhere near as well as most of our rivals, they have failed to take difficult financial decisions and their only strategy is that we get promoted this season - there appears to be no plan B at all. J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 0

5:04pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person
As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons
But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all
Again, slander, smearing and questioning the mental health of people who do not agree with you....you and many others like you did that the season we were relegated - and then present yourselves as the voices of moderation. It is despicable.

You present yourselves as a flock of sheep. But you are a pack of wolves.
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all[/p][/quote]Again, slander, smearing and questioning the mental health of people who do not agree with you....you and many others like you did that the season we were relegated - and then present yourselves as the voices of moderation. It is despicable. You present yourselves as a flock of sheep. But you are a pack of wolves. BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions
  • Score: 0

5:04pm Wed 27 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Bazzer wrote:
French Rover wrote:
owd nick wrote:
RoversSwiss wrote:
Bill Carson wrote:
It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues.
It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...
Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them.

The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face.
And probably the most sensible post I have read for ages, Chapeau.
Totally agree Nick, Swiss made some good sensible and realistic points.
Which all makes the decision to sack Big Sam an unbelievably bad decision.
Jesus you don't arf like running around in circles and biting you tail Bazzer!

:-)

Ok I will take the bait and join you for one last time.

Allardyce wanted out but he would never resign he wanted a big fat pay cheque and got it by engineering his dismissal.

Why?

- He had an ageing squad on big contracts that he had negotiated.
- That squad was hoovering up every penny and more of our income from the PL, this is fact not conjecture the figures are there for all to see.
- Walkers Trust had no interest whatsoever in funding Blackburn Rovers, they wanted out, again this is fact.
- There was no other serious source of income apart from the PL.
- Allardyce had been touting himself all over the bloody world for 18 months prior to being "sacked", Ewood was beneath him, he wanted out, this was reported several times in this paper.
- He was persuaded by Williams to stay on at least two occasions prior to Venky's taking over, again reported on in this paper.

The decision to sack Allardyce wasn't the unbelievably bad one, that was purely not replacing him with an experienced manager who might have made better use of the funds that Venky's were willing to provide at the time.
[quote][p][bold]Bazzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RoversSwiss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill Carson[/bold] wrote: It puts the sale of JR into perspective, virtually insignificant financially but a massive gamble in terms of promotion. Banking on success in the volatile world of Championship football is foolhardy at best, but the Venkys have no-one but themselves to blame. Most clubs are playing to survive, break-even and only profit when they sell a player on at this level, likewise down the leagues. It would be interesting to compare the balance sheets when the team was still in the PL with full TV revenue and gate in excess of 20,000...[/p][/quote]Despite the big money transfers of Bentley and Santa Cruz, Rovers were more than 19 million in debt when Venkys bought Rovers. These accounts just show what we've always known, Rovers do not generate enough income to run a Championship or Premiership club. Williams and Finn tried everything to keep us going when the Walker family abandoned us, but it got too much for them. The reality is that Rovers are totally dependent on the input of Venkys, the cost cutting exercises of course will help, but long term we still have huge financial problems. Promotion is a dream and will be extremely difficult to achieve, the future finances of Rovers are clearly on a knife edge, no-one should underestimate the difficulties we face.[/p][/quote]And probably the most sensible post I have read for ages, Chapeau.[/p][/quote]Totally agree Nick, Swiss made some good sensible and realistic points.[/p][/quote]Which all makes the decision to sack Big Sam an unbelievably bad decision.[/p][/quote]Jesus you don't arf like running around in circles and biting you tail Bazzer! :-) Ok I will take the bait and join you for one last time. Allardyce wanted out but he would never resign he wanted a big fat pay cheque and got it by engineering his dismissal. Why? - He had an ageing squad on big contracts that he had negotiated. - That squad was hoovering up every penny and more of our income from the PL, this is fact not conjecture the figures are there for all to see. - Walkers Trust had no interest whatsoever in funding Blackburn Rovers, they wanted out, again this is fact. - There was no other serious source of income apart from the PL. - Allardyce had been touting himself all over the bloody world for 18 months prior to being "sacked", Ewood was beneath him, he wanted out, this was reported several times in this paper. - He was persuaded by Williams to stay on at least two occasions prior to Venky's taking over, again reported on in this paper. The decision to sack Allardyce wasn't the unbelievably bad one, that was purely not replacing him with an experienced manager who might have made better use of the funds that Venky's were willing to provide at the time. owd nick
  • Score: 1

5:10pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp

ions
wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years??

Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season.

I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY.

Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla.

Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER.

Even for you that's a bit pathetic.
But that's the Happy-Clapper way. They live in the moment, cheap thrills and instant adrenalin. "Prudence" and "due care" are not in their vocabulary. To these immature "fans" , it is people like you and I that destroyed BRFC. I'm left utterly awe struck at the ammount of negative votes people like you get. It is truly astonishing to behold.
Its because its easier and simpler just to be nicey nicey, smiley smiley and kid yourself (and in turnall the other sheep) that everythings fine rather than look at the picture as though your a neutral fan and see situations as they really are not just how we all want them to be.

Some of these people just can't comprehend or refuse to take in the huge amounts of money that we lose day by day - they kid themselves that its not real or that it'll never really have to be paid back and if it does then it'll not impact on the playing side - which of course it has done and will continue to do so.

They also kid themselves that Venkys are now "victims" and have "learned their lessons" and that now they are "good owners" - just because they put money into the club - which in reality (in the short term) they have to do and that they haven't sacked our current manager in the last 12 months.

The truth is Venkys still don't run Rovers anywhere near as well as most of our rivals, they have failed to take difficult financial decisions and their only strategy is that we get promoted this season - there appears to be no plan B at all.
I couldn't have put that better myself. So i won't try.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp ions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud![/p][/quote]Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years?? Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season. I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY. Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla. Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER. Even for you that's a bit pathetic.[/p][/quote]But that's the Happy-Clapper way. They live in the moment, cheap thrills and instant adrenalin. "Prudence" and "due care" are not in their vocabulary. To these immature "fans" , it is people like you and I that destroyed BRFC. I'm left utterly awe struck at the ammount of negative votes people like you get. It is truly astonishing to behold.[/p][/quote]Its because its easier and simpler just to be nicey nicey, smiley smiley and kid yourself (and in turnall the other sheep) that everythings fine rather than look at the picture as though your a neutral fan and see situations as they really are not just how we all want them to be. Some of these people just can't comprehend or refuse to take in the huge amounts of money that we lose day by day - they kid themselves that its not real or that it'll never really have to be paid back and if it does then it'll not impact on the playing side - which of course it has done and will continue to do so. They also kid themselves that Venkys are now "victims" and have "learned their lessons" and that now they are "good owners" - just because they put money into the club - which in reality (in the short term) they have to do and that they haven't sacked our current manager in the last 12 months. The truth is Venkys still don't run Rovers anywhere near as well as most of our rivals, they have failed to take difficult financial decisions and their only strategy is that we get promoted this season - there appears to be no plan B at all.[/p][/quote]I couldn't have put that better myself. So i won't try. BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions
  • Score: -1

5:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

tall in the saddle says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
Well re-naming Ewood would be a good idea perhaps. Any ideas?
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Well re-naming Ewood would be a good idea perhaps. Any ideas? tall in the saddle
  • Score: 0

5:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions says...

tall in the saddle wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
Well re-naming Ewood would be a good idea perhaps. Any ideas?
Oh hello cry baby. Where you the sap that threatened me with the Data Protection Act for "identity theft" because i perfectly cloned your name?

Be a good but and f*ck off before i do it again and by the way, next time i might get your real details.
[quote][p][bold]tall in the saddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Well re-naming Ewood would be a good idea perhaps. Any ideas?[/p][/quote]Oh hello cry baby. Where you the sap that threatened me with the Data Protection Act for "identity theft" because i perfectly cloned your name? Be a good but and f*ck off before i do it again and by the way, next time i might get your real details. BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions
  • Score: 1

5:18pm Wed 27 Aug 14

tall in the saddle says...

reiko082 wrote:
Germany Tiger wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha
From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha.
Aiming higher than Hull as a town? Dear me Tiger what do you think? Have you ever visited Blackburn?
[quote][p][bold]reiko082[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Germany Tiger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha[/p][/quote]From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha.[/p][/quote]Aiming higher than Hull as a town? Dear me Tiger what do you think? Have you ever visited Blackburn? tall in the saddle
  • Score: -4

5:19pm Wed 27 Aug 14

oggy 56 says...

glynners wrote:
So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams
QPR and 5 other teams may take the FFP to court to stop it this was in a paper in june if they don't win there will never be another jack walker only the big teams will win if some body had lots of money. and wanted to buy a small club and try to get better players the dream will be gone for all there fans
[quote][p][bold]glynners[/bold] wrote: So even if Rhodes was sold, under FFP we wouldnt be able to spend that money? Basically, clubs that currently fall foul of FFP have to sell their best players, get worse, lose more money. How does that make the game 'fair' for smaller teams[/p][/quote]QPR and 5 other teams may take the FFP to court to stop it this was in a paper in june if they don't win there will never be another jack walker only the big teams will win if some body had lots of money. and wanted to buy a small club and try to get better players the dream will be gone for all there fans oggy 56
  • Score: 2

5:19pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Welsh Rover says...

BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp
ions
wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years??

Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season.

I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY.

Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla.

Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER.

Even for you that's a bit pathetic.
I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it!

As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958.

So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.
Err yes you DO predict we'll win every week - especially in the season we got relegated.

You have continually posted (even during the Steve Kean meltdown period) that things would be all right if we all looked on the "Brightside" and stopped calling Steve all those horrible names and "get behind the team" bla bla bla.

You aint got an original thought in your brain - just happy clappy rubbish until the point were even you can see its cr@p and then you take the "moderate, reasonable line" saying exactly what I and people like me have be posting about for at least the previous six months whlist you have been ridiculing us as "provocative, "reactionary" "extreamist" "doomongers" etc etc - then 6-9months later you come round to my way of thinking!!!

Do us all a favour and clime back in your bottle of red, who knows when you've supped it all you may actually come up with an original correct thought not just happy clappy, meaningless rubbish!!!!
This is actually very true. I argued with the fella through that long hard 2011-2012 season and you are absolutely right; he predicts victories and scorelines that leave me flabbergasted. No grip on reality at all. And that is the tragedy of this whole affair, so many Rovers "fans" out there simply do not get it.

People like Odw Nick, French Rover, Welsh Rover, etc portray themselves as the voices of moderation but are actually extreme in their views with little to no tolerance for anyone that does not agree with them.

They resort to questioning peoples mental health, call them names Owd Nick likes to smear people as "racist" and they often report comments and try to have people banned. They engage in all kinds of skulduggery and jiggerypokery. It really is sordid.
Please can you give me an example - or better still, provide proof - of any of the things which you have accused me of, cheers.
[quote][p][bold]BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp ions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud![/p][/quote]Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years?? Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season. I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY. Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla. Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER. Even for you that's a bit pathetic.[/p][/quote]I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it! As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958. So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.[/p][/quote]Err yes you DO predict we'll win every week - especially in the season we got relegated. You have continually posted (even during the Steve Kean meltdown period) that things would be all right if we all looked on the "Brightside" and stopped calling Steve all those horrible names and "get behind the team" bla bla bla. You aint got an original thought in your brain - just happy clappy rubbish until the point were even you can see its cr@p and then you take the "moderate, reasonable line" saying exactly what I and people like me have be posting about for at least the previous six months whlist you have been ridiculing us as "provocative, "reactionary" "extreamist" "doomongers" etc etc - then 6-9months later you come round to my way of thinking!!! Do us all a favour and clime back in your bottle of red, who knows when you've supped it all you may actually come up with an original correct thought not just happy clappy, meaningless rubbish!!!![/p][/quote]This is actually very true. I argued with the fella through that long hard 2011-2012 season and you are absolutely right; he predicts victories and scorelines that leave me flabbergasted. No grip on reality at all. And that is the tragedy of this whole affair, so many Rovers "fans" out there simply do not get it. People like Odw Nick, French Rover, Welsh Rover, etc portray themselves as the voices of moderation but are actually extreme in their views with little to no tolerance for anyone that does not agree with them. They resort to questioning peoples mental health, call them names Owd Nick likes to smear people as "racist" and they often report comments and try to have people banned. They engage in all kinds of skulduggery and jiggerypokery. It really is sordid.[/p][/quote]Please can you give me an example - or better still, provide proof - of any of the things which you have accused me of, cheers. Welsh Rover
  • Score: 4

5:37pm Wed 27 Aug 14

hasslem hasslem says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person
As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons
But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all
if frenchie is a doom-monger then i am a dutchman.
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all[/p][/quote]if frenchie is a doom-monger then i am a dutchman. hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 7

5:40pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Shadred says...

I think you are all missing the real issue here. In my opinion it is Sky TV and the FA,'s neglect of it's duties to look after football for the benefit of everyone. The international team continue to underperform, the so-called elite premier league clubs are second best, the facilities at grassroots level are appalling. This is in despite of the billions coming into English football the FA need to stand up to sky spread the money around close the gap between the leagues and have real competition. It's no good the football league having fair playif the top league doesn't
I think you are all missing the real issue here. In my opinion it is Sky TV and the FA,'s neglect of it's duties to look after football for the benefit of everyone. The international team continue to underperform, the so-called elite premier league clubs are second best, the facilities at grassroots level are appalling. This is in despite of the billions coming into English football the FA need to stand up to sky spread the money around close the gap between the leagues and have real competition. It's no good the football league having fair playif the top league doesn't Shadred
  • Score: 2

5:47pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person
As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons
But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all
if frenchie is a doom-monger then i am a dutchman.
He's not a doom monger you silly Scottish person. He's on morphine. Have you ever read his match predictions....the man exists on an alternate plane of reality.
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all[/p][/quote]if frenchie is a doom-monger then i am a dutchman.[/p][/quote]He's not a doom monger you silly Scottish person. He's on morphine. Have you ever read his match predictions....the man exists on an alternate plane of reality. BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions
  • Score: 1

5:50pm Wed 27 Aug 14

BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions says...

Shadred wrote:
I think you are all missing the real issue here. In my opinion it is Sky TV and the FA,'s neglect of it's duties to look after football for the benefit of everyone. The international team continue to underperform, the so-called elite premier league clubs are second best, the facilities at grassroots level are appalling. This is in despite of the billions coming into English football the FA need to stand up to sky spread the money around close the gap between the leagues and have real competition. It's no good the football league having fair playif the top league doesn't
Absolutely. Capitalism gone mad.
[quote][p][bold]Shadred[/bold] wrote: I think you are all missing the real issue here. In my opinion it is Sky TV and the FA,'s neglect of it's duties to look after football for the benefit of everyone. The international team continue to underperform, the so-called elite premier league clubs are second best, the facilities at grassroots level are appalling. This is in despite of the billions coming into English football the FA need to stand up to sky spread the money around close the gap between the leagues and have real competition. It's no good the football league having fair playif the top league doesn't[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Capitalism gone mad. BRFC:ThePeoplesChampions
  • Score: 3

6:00pm Wed 27 Aug 14

kfc yummy says...

French Rover wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years??

Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season.

I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY.

Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla.

Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER.

Even for you that's a bit pathetic.
I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it!

As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958.

So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.
Like you who lives in France.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud![/p][/quote]Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years?? Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season. I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY. Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla. Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER. Even for you that's a bit pathetic.[/p][/quote]I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it! As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958. So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.[/p][/quote]Like you who lives in France. kfc yummy
  • Score: -6

6:02pm Wed 27 Aug 14

tall in the saddle says...

BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp
ions
wrote:
tall in the saddle wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
Well re-naming Ewood would be a good idea perhaps. Any ideas?
Oh hello cry baby. Where you the sap that threatened me with the Data Protection Act for "identity theft" because i perfectly cloned your name?

Be a good but and f*ck off before i do it again and by the way, next time i might get your real details.
That’s fine we can swap addresses. OK?
[quote][p][bold]BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp ions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tall in the saddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Well re-naming Ewood would be a good idea perhaps. Any ideas?[/p][/quote]Oh hello cry baby. Where you the sap that threatened me with the Data Protection Act for "identity theft" because i perfectly cloned your name? Be a good but and f*ck off before i do it again and by the way, next time i might get your real details.[/p][/quote]That’s fine we can swap addresses. OK? tall in the saddle
  • Score: 0

6:14pm Wed 27 Aug 14

P7CKP1943 says...

We can,t change the past we have to stick together and give the Venkies a group of BRFCsupporters to be proud of.The managers tactics are unconvinsing but lets hope the players respond to the cheers of the loyal fans If we can put a good run together maybe some of the missing 5000 supposed fans may return. We stll have some dead wood at the club ie Varney etc trust the manager will get shut ASAPand sign at least 2 central defenders.Iexpect we could make the play offs at least if the Venkies stick with us.
We can,t change the past we have to stick together and give the Venkies a group of BRFCsupporters to be proud of.The managers tactics are unconvinsing but lets hope the players respond to the cheers of the loyal fans If we can put a good run together maybe some of the missing 5000 supposed fans may return. We stll have some dead wood at the club ie Varney etc trust the manager will get shut ASAPand sign at least 2 central defenders.Iexpect we could make the play offs at least if the Venkies stick with us. P7CKP1943
  • Score: -2

7:06pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Still a Wild Rover says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person
As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons
But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all
if frenchie is a doom-monger then i am a dutchman.
Errr, read again HH, comma after Frenchie....
Apology accepted
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all[/p][/quote]if frenchie is a doom-monger then i am a dutchman.[/p][/quote]Errr, read again HH, comma after Frenchie.... Apology accepted Still a Wild Rover
  • Score: -1

7:10pm Wed 27 Aug 14

baldie says...

gb1882 wrote:
The party is fast approaching

RIP BRFC LLTV hahahahahahahaha
Let me know if you're all coming.
I'll pre order an extra 3927 potatoe pie suppers.
[quote][p][bold]gb1882[/bold] wrote: The party is fast approaching RIP BRFC LLTV hahahahahahahaha[/p][/quote]Let me know if you're all coming. I'll pre order an extra 3927 potatoe pie suppers. baldie
  • Score: 3

7:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

baldie says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
Any chance you could rewrite this reply in a slightly more condescending manner.
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]Any chance you could rewrite this reply in a slightly more condescending manner. baldie
  • Score: 0

7:21pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

J.C - Rishton wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan????

Utter rubbish
Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games.
who said I don't go to games ?? - I have NEVER posted that.

Why not explain it to me at the Wolves game - ooops sorry forgot you're such a part timer you only go to home games unlike me who's travelled all over England and Europe over the last 35 years.

Support your team home and away or don't bother calling yourself a fan !!
Oh......back from "living and working in Spain " are you? That was the last excuse you used for being an armchair supporter. Have they finally kicked out all the Timeshare Touts? Unfortunately I won't be able to get to Wolves but I was at Blackpool and Norwich. I am not playing " who is the better fan" with you though as it is perfectly clear from your posts that you are no longer a supporter. You are an ex supporter. You are a former fan. You are an armchair observer. Your only continued association with my football club is a constant negative diatribe on these pages because you simply can't accept that Kenny Dalglish and Alan Shearer are no longer here. Adios Amigo. Hasta Sabado!
[quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan???? Utter rubbish[/p][/quote]Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games.[/p][/quote]who said I don't go to games ?? - I have NEVER posted that. Why not explain it to me at the Wolves game - ooops sorry forgot you're such a part timer you only go to home games unlike me who's travelled all over England and Europe over the last 35 years. Support your team home and away or don't bother calling yourself a fan !![/p][/quote]Oh......back from "living and working in Spain " are you? That was the last excuse you used for being an armchair supporter. Have they finally kicked out all the Timeshare Touts? Unfortunately I won't be able to get to Wolves but I was at Blackpool and Norwich. I am not playing " who is the better fan" with you though as it is perfectly clear from your posts that you are no longer a supporter. You are an ex supporter. You are a former fan. You are an armchair observer. Your only continued association with my football club is a constant negative diatribe on these pages because you simply can't accept that Kenny Dalglish and Alan Shearer are no longer here. Adios Amigo. Hasta Sabado! Angry From Accrington
  • Score: -1

7:44pm Wed 27 Aug 14

garry_stockton says...

Happiest reading for a long time and yet still the nomads Srebrenica in denial.
Burnley FC have shown what Can be done and will be around for a long time.
Fact BRFC will accept the next offer for the choirboy, and the money will disappear into dark abyss,
You couldn't write the script.....
VENKIES DOING WHAT BURNLEY FANS HAVE WANTED FOR YEARS
F_cling the nodads up goodstyle
Happiest reading for a long time and yet still the nomads Srebrenica in denial. Burnley FC have shown what Can be done and will be around for a long time. Fact BRFC will accept the next offer for the choirboy, and the money will disappear into dark abyss, You couldn't write the script..... VENKIES DOING WHAT BURNLEY FANS HAVE WANTED FOR YEARS F_cling the nodads up goodstyle garry_stockton
  • Score: -6

8:00pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Manuel Hung says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan????

Utter rubbish
Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games.
who said I don't go to games ?? - I have NEVER posted that.

Why not explain it to me at the Wolves game - ooops sorry forgot you're such a part timer you only go to home games unlike me who's travelled all over England and Europe over the last 35 years.

Support your team home and away or don't bother calling yourself a fan !!
Oh......back from "living and working in Spain " are you? That was the last excuse you used for being an armchair supporter. Have they finally kicked out all the Timeshare Touts? Unfortunately I won't be able to get to Wolves but I was at Blackpool and Norwich. I am not playing " who is the better fan" with you though as it is perfectly clear from your posts that you are no longer a supporter. You are an ex supporter. You are a former fan. You are an armchair observer. Your only continued association with my football club is a constant negative diatribe on these pages because you simply can't accept that Kenny Dalglish and Alan Shearer are no longer here. Adios Amigo. Hasta Sabado!
Stripping out all the 'I'm a bigger fan than you' comments you are left with one conclusion.

JC seems to be just about the only Wowvuurrrrs supporter who has any grasp on the reality of the situation.

For the rest of you 'Operation Ostritch' where you bury your heads in the sand simply continues.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan???? Utter rubbish[/p][/quote]Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games.[/p][/quote]who said I don't go to games ?? - I have NEVER posted that. Why not explain it to me at the Wolves game - ooops sorry forgot you're such a part timer you only go to home games unlike me who's travelled all over England and Europe over the last 35 years. Support your team home and away or don't bother calling yourself a fan !![/p][/quote]Oh......back from "living and working in Spain " are you? That was the last excuse you used for being an armchair supporter. Have they finally kicked out all the Timeshare Touts? Unfortunately I won't be able to get to Wolves but I was at Blackpool and Norwich. I am not playing " who is the better fan" with you though as it is perfectly clear from your posts that you are no longer a supporter. You are an ex supporter. You are a former fan. You are an armchair observer. Your only continued association with my football club is a constant negative diatribe on these pages because you simply can't accept that Kenny Dalglish and Alan Shearer are no longer here. Adios Amigo. Hasta Sabado![/p][/quote]Stripping out all the 'I'm a bigger fan than you' comments you are left with one conclusion. JC seems to be just about the only Wowvuurrrrs supporter who has any grasp on the reality of the situation. For the rest of you 'Operation Ostritch' where you bury your heads in the sand simply continues. Manuel Hung
  • Score: -1

8:14pm Wed 27 Aug 14

stellaman1968 says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
No football fan is obliged to pay good money to watch his/her team.Perhaps attendances would be higher if players were not payed so much,managers had more respect for fans and not forfeit cup matches ,and finally play more attractive attacking football rather than the cowardly,dull drivel that i have witnessed on my last two visits to Ewood.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]No football fan is obliged to pay good money to watch his/her team.Perhaps attendances would be higher if players were not payed so much,managers had more respect for fans and not forfeit cup matches ,and finally play more attractive attacking football rather than the cowardly,dull drivel that i have witnessed on my last two visits to Ewood. stellaman1968
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Wed 27 Aug 14

roverstid says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan????

Utter rubbish
Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games.
who said I don't go to games ?? - I have NEVER posted that.

Why not explain it to me at the Wolves game - ooops sorry forgot you're such a part timer you only go to home games unlike me who's travelled all over England and Europe over the last 35 years.

Support your team home and away or don't bother calling yourself a fan !!
Oh......back from "living and working in Spain " are you? That was the last excuse you used for being an armchair supporter. Have they finally kicked out all the Timeshare Touts? Unfortunately I won't be able to get to Wolves but I was at Blackpool and Norwich. I am not playing " who is the better fan" with you though as it is perfectly clear from your posts that you are no longer a supporter. You are an ex supporter. You are a former fan. You are an armchair observer. Your only continued association with my football club is a constant negative diatribe on these pages because you simply can't accept that Kenny Dalglish and Alan Shearer are no longer here. Adios Amigo. Hasta Sabado!
Don't lower yourself Angry.

JC belongs with the rest of the miserable brfcs fodder who haunt off anyone who don't chant venky hate in their sleep, branding them as 'Venkys Lovers' and the like.

Its like Last of the Summer wine on there.. Do us a favour JC/BRFCchampions, go back to the 'reak rovers forum' that is that miserable pit BRFCS board where they're happy to let you slag off us 'happy clappers' who actually GO to the games, whilst letting jerks like you hound out anyone who doesn't agree with you.

May the farce be with you.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan???? Utter rubbish[/p][/quote]Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games.[/p][/quote]who said I don't go to games ?? - I have NEVER posted that. Why not explain it to me at the Wolves game - ooops sorry forgot you're such a part timer you only go to home games unlike me who's travelled all over England and Europe over the last 35 years. Support your team home and away or don't bother calling yourself a fan !![/p][/quote]Oh......back from "living and working in Spain " are you? That was the last excuse you used for being an armchair supporter. Have they finally kicked out all the Timeshare Touts? Unfortunately I won't be able to get to Wolves but I was at Blackpool and Norwich. I am not playing " who is the better fan" with you though as it is perfectly clear from your posts that you are no longer a supporter. You are an ex supporter. You are a former fan. You are an armchair observer. Your only continued association with my football club is a constant negative diatribe on these pages because you simply can't accept that Kenny Dalglish and Alan Shearer are no longer here. Adios Amigo. Hasta Sabado![/p][/quote]Don't lower yourself Angry. JC belongs with the rest of the miserable brfcs fodder who haunt off anyone who don't chant venky hate in their sleep, branding them as 'Venkys Lovers' and the like. Its like Last of the Summer wine on there.. Do us a favour JC/BRFCchampions, go back to the 'reak rovers forum' that is that miserable pit BRFCS board where they're happy to let you slag off us 'happy clappers' who actually GO to the games, whilst letting jerks like you hound out anyone who doesn't agree with you. May the farce be with you. roverstid
  • Score: 2

10:06pm Wed 27 Aug 14

roverstid says...

Manuel Hung wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc.
The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy.
Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight.
Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.
Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan????

Utter rubbish
Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games.
who said I don't go to games ?? - I have NEVER posted that.

Why not explain it to me at the Wolves game - ooops sorry forgot you're such a part timer you only go to home games unlike me who's travelled all over England and Europe over the last 35 years.

Support your team home and away or don't bother calling yourself a fan !!
Oh......back from "living and working in Spain " are you? That was the last excuse you used for being an armchair supporter. Have they finally kicked out all the Timeshare Touts? Unfortunately I won't be able to get to Wolves but I was at Blackpool and Norwich. I am not playing " who is the better fan" with you though as it is perfectly clear from your posts that you are no longer a supporter. You are an ex supporter. You are a former fan. You are an armchair observer. Your only continued association with my football club is a constant negative diatribe on these pages because you simply can't accept that Kenny Dalglish and Alan Shearer are no longer here. Adios Amigo. Hasta Sabado!
Stripping out all the 'I'm a bigger fan than you' comments you are left with one conclusion.

JC seems to be just about the only Wowvuurrrrs supporter who has any grasp on the reality of the situation.

For the rest of you 'Operation Ostritch' where you bury your heads in the sand simply continues.
And there you have it JC.. Dingle Dave and his merry band of dingles agree with you. That must be a satisfying feeling.

See you on the next negative article you can enjoy ranting over.
[quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]And you clearly don't know anything about football finance. This expenditure to income ratio is within the median band of the majority of Premiership Clubs although some, like Manchester City, disguise their income by inflated stadium naming rights etc. The Profit and Loss account is less significant than the Balance Sheet and in this measure the club is healthy. Nobody denies that Venkys have been naive and gullible but I remain insistent that the writing was on the wall under the Walker Trust who cowardly baled out rather than facing the challenge of keeping the club in the top flight. Of course, it doesn't help when a club has a fan base with 30% that only support the club when they are in the Premier League but every club has it's Glitterballs and I am sure that Venkys can rely on the odd quid from you now and again when we are playing the big clubs.[/p][/quote]Is this the biggest load of tribe every posted on here by a Rovers fan???? Utter rubbish[/p][/quote]Sorry that you don't understand the argument and I would be happy to explain the facts to you at the Wigan game. Oops, sorry, forgot.......you are such a dedicated fan that you don't actually go to games.[/p][/quote]who said I don't go to games ?? - I have NEVER posted that. Why not explain it to me at the Wolves game - ooops sorry forgot you're such a part timer you only go to home games unlike me who's travelled all over England and Europe over the last 35 years. Support your team home and away or don't bother calling yourself a fan !![/p][/quote]Oh......back from "living and working in Spain " are you? That was the last excuse you used for being an armchair supporter. Have they finally kicked out all the Timeshare Touts? Unfortunately I won't be able to get to Wolves but I was at Blackpool and Norwich. I am not playing " who is the better fan" with you though as it is perfectly clear from your posts that you are no longer a supporter. You are an ex supporter. You are a former fan. You are an armchair observer. Your only continued association with my football club is a constant negative diatribe on these pages because you simply can't accept that Kenny Dalglish and Alan Shearer are no longer here. Adios Amigo. Hasta Sabado![/p][/quote]Stripping out all the 'I'm a bigger fan than you' comments you are left with one conclusion. JC seems to be just about the only Wowvuurrrrs supporter who has any grasp on the reality of the situation. For the rest of you 'Operation Ostritch' where you bury your heads in the sand simply continues.[/p][/quote]And there you have it JC.. Dingle Dave and his merry band of dingles agree with you. That must be a satisfying feeling. See you on the next negative article you can enjoy ranting over. roverstid
  • Score: 0

11:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Darwen Malc says...

WOW, how passionate people can be over a bunch of prima donnas!
WOW, how passionate people can be over a bunch of prima donnas! Darwen Malc
  • Score: 2

11:22pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Neilharrison says...

reiko082 wrote:
Germany Tiger wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha
From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha.
Most City fans didn't want him at that price. Unproven PL level and can't establish himself in a v poor Scotland team. Shane Long never worth £12m but a proven PL player and at international level. Where do you think he is going to go..........Liverpoo
l, Spurs, Arsenal..........dre
am on! Looks like we are now signing Hernandez from Palermo for £10m and he has scored 7 goals for Uruguay. The comment about Hull as a town is worthless really particularly from someone living in Blackburn. As a point of reference Hull is a city and UK city of culture 2017
[quote][p][bold]reiko082[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Germany Tiger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha[/p][/quote]From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha.[/p][/quote]Most City fans didn't want him at that price. Unproven PL level and can't establish himself in a v poor Scotland team. Shane Long never worth £12m but a proven PL player and at international level. Where do you think he is going to go..........Liverpoo l, Spurs, Arsenal..........dre am on! Looks like we are now signing Hernandez from Palermo for £10m and he has scored 7 goals for Uruguay. The comment about Hull as a town is worthless really particularly from someone living in Blackburn. As a point of reference Hull is a city and UK city of culture 2017 Neilharrison
  • Score: 0

6:25am Thu 28 Aug 14

hasslem hasslem says...

Still a Wild Rover wrote:
hasslem hasslem wrote:
Still a Wild Rover wrote:
Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person
As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons
But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all
if frenchie is a doom-monger then i am a dutchman.
Errr, read again HH, comma after Frenchie....
Apology accepted
err....
Harpo, Groucho and Chico = 3 people
Mary, Mungo and Midge = 3 characters
Emerson, Lake and Palmer = 3 band members

Don't think I have anything to apologise for......maybe you do
[quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Still a Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: Frenchie, TMT and JC share the same doom agenda because they share the same skin.....same person As well as his 80 plus other sign- ons But as long as you remember he is a troll its not a problem, not worth responding to, not significant at all[/p][/quote]if frenchie is a doom-monger then i am a dutchman.[/p][/quote]Errr, read again HH, comma after Frenchie.... Apology accepted[/p][/quote]err.... Harpo, Groucho and Chico = 3 people Mary, Mungo and Midge = 3 characters Emerson, Lake and Palmer = 3 band members Don't think I have anything to apologise for......maybe you do hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 2

6:26am Thu 28 Aug 14

hasslem hasslem says...

Neilharrison wrote:
reiko082 wrote:
Germany Tiger wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha
From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha.
Most City fans didn't want him at that price. Unproven PL level and can't establish himself in a v poor Scotland team. Shane Long never worth £12m but a proven PL player and at international level. Where do you think he is going to go..........Liverpoo

l, Spurs, Arsenal..........dre

am on! Looks like we are now signing Hernandez from Palermo for £10m and he has scored 7 goals for Uruguay. The comment about Hull as a town is worthless really particularly from someone living in Blackburn. As a point of reference Hull is a city and UK city of culture 2017
so don't go on about it.

hull stinks
[quote][p][bold]Neilharrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reiko082[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Germany Tiger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha[/p][/quote]From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha.[/p][/quote]Most City fans didn't want him at that price. Unproven PL level and can't establish himself in a v poor Scotland team. Shane Long never worth £12m but a proven PL player and at international level. Where do you think he is going to go..........Liverpoo l, Spurs, Arsenal..........dre am on! Looks like we are now signing Hernandez from Palermo for £10m and he has scored 7 goals for Uruguay. The comment about Hull as a town is worthless really particularly from someone living in Blackburn. As a point of reference Hull is a city and UK city of culture 2017[/p][/quote]so don't go on about it. hull stinks hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 0

7:57am Thu 28 Aug 14

owd nick says...

Neilharrison wrote:
reiko082 wrote:
Germany Tiger wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha
From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha.
Most City fans didn't want him at that price. Unproven PL level and can't establish himself in a v poor Scotland team. Shane Long never worth £12m but a proven PL player and at international level. Where do you think he is going to go..........Liverpoo

l, Spurs, Arsenal..........dre

am on! Looks like we are now signing Hernandez from Palermo for £10m and he has scored 7 goals for Uruguay. The comment about Hull as a town is worthless really particularly from someone living in Blackburn. As a point of reference Hull is a city and UK city of culture 2017
Hopefully you will have developed a culture by then :-)
[quote][p][bold]Neilharrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reiko082[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Germany Tiger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha[/p][/quote]From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha.[/p][/quote]Most City fans didn't want him at that price. Unproven PL level and can't establish himself in a v poor Scotland team. Shane Long never worth £12m but a proven PL player and at international level. Where do you think he is going to go..........Liverpoo l, Spurs, Arsenal..........dre am on! Looks like we are now signing Hernandez from Palermo for £10m and he has scored 7 goals for Uruguay. The comment about Hull as a town is worthless really particularly from someone living in Blackburn. As a point of reference Hull is a city and UK city of culture 2017[/p][/quote]Hopefully you will have developed a culture by then :-) owd nick
  • Score: 0

8:27am Thu 28 Aug 14

Angry From Accrington says...

owd nick wrote:
Neilharrison wrote:
reiko082 wrote:
Germany Tiger wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
Blackburn_End wrote:
Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story.

With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging.

This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.
You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless".

They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge.

And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in.

It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term.

- because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income.

I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean.

And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ??

Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.
12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha
From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha.
Most City fans didn't want him at that price. Unproven PL level and can't establish himself in a v poor Scotland team. Shane Long never worth £12m but a proven PL player and at international level. Where do you think he is going to go..........Liverpoo


l, Spurs, Arsenal..........dre


am on! Looks like we are now signing Hernandez from Palermo for £10m and he has scored 7 goals for Uruguay. The comment about Hull as a town is worthless really particularly from someone living in Blackburn. As a point of reference Hull is a city and UK city of culture 2017
Hopefully you will have developed a culture by then :-)
They have a culture Nick. It's one of scrounging, thieving, drinking and drug taking. They achieved City Of Culture status because they were the only city to return the application form. They were recently unsuccessful in securing a European Twin Town arrangement but did sign a Suicide Pact with Chernobyl.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neilharrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]reiko082[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Germany Tiger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackburn_End[/bold] wrote: Nothing new here. Last years accounts were always going to be at a massive loss so this really is a non story. With all the over paid players now off the books and the club bringing its self to operate within its means the past 6 months have been very encouraging. This partnered with a positive start to the season has made Ewood a much more upbeat season. Hopefully battle to keep a certain Mr Rhodes this season, bring in 2 experienced defenders, get lucky with injuries and we will give this promotion lark a good old go! Transfer embargo? So what. We should have our squad in place by the end of this window.[/p][/quote]You obviously don't understand anything about accounts if you think these figures are "meaningless". They are eye wateringly staggering - in this period we lost 120% more than our total income - in any walk of life (business or sport) this is jaw dropingly huge. And to blithely say, oh we've now got rid of some deadwood so our accounts for next year will be fine - just shows your total lack of comprehension of the financial mess (potential eventual meltdown) we are in. It also goes to show how poorly Venkys are still running this club - they should be taking much more DIFFICULT financial decisions than they are. The planning they are doing is far too short-term. - because, what if (and I know many foolish fans on here think we are shoo in for promotion - which we arnt) we DON'T get promoted this season - think of the total mess the club is in then - NO more parachute payments (another £8m loss of income ) Transfer embargo (which could stretch for years) and debts up to 4 times our annual income. I know many fans jus don't get it - they think that paying off Etuhu et al and (if worst comes to the worst) even selling Jordan will "right the ship" - it won't - it won't even come close, it is quite literally a drop in the ocean. And for all those "Venky lovers" on here who will come on saying "It dosent matter because the Venkys will loan/give us the money forever" - REALLY ?? Are we that naive that we are going to TRUST these people with the very continued existence of our great club - that is a huge huge gamble.[/p][/quote]12 million would go a long way to helping you out..... come on Jordan..do the best thing for Rovers and sign for us... you know you want to!!! ha ha[/p][/quote]From what I've seen on the Hull Mail website, it doesn't look like your fans want him. Also, if I were Rhodes, I'd be aiming higher than Hull both as a football club and a town. Ha ha.[/p][/quote]Most City fans didn't want him at that price. Unproven PL level and can't establish himself in a v poor Scotland team. Shane Long never worth £12m but a proven PL player and at international level. Where do you think he is going to go..........Liverpoo l, Spurs, Arsenal..........dre am on! Looks like we are now signing Hernandez from Palermo for £10m and he has scored 7 goals for Uruguay. The comment about Hull as a town is worthless really particularly from someone living in Blackburn. As a point of reference Hull is a city and UK city of culture 2017[/p][/quote]Hopefully you will have developed a culture by then :-)[/p][/quote]They have a culture Nick. It's one of scrounging, thieving, drinking and drug taking. They achieved City Of Culture status because they were the only city to return the application form. They were recently unsuccessful in securing a European Twin Town arrangement but did sign a Suicide Pact with Chernobyl. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: -1

4:48pm Thu 28 Aug 14

bridtiger says...

bring back the good old days wrote:
KYMER wrote:
the way round it is to spend now simples
Any fool can throw good money after bad, and that is the way to oblivion.
The real mark of doing it correctly is to learn from and correct previous mistakes, and make sure that every £ laid out gives a return. In our situation that also means whilst doing this, even further reducing 'outgoings'.
The sad fact is that is this 'modern age' of football there is only one place for financial sanctuary, and that is (IMO) the dreaded Prem. League. The catalyst of this whole debacle.
Just keep throwing money at it, some will stick eventually.
[quote][p][bold]bring back the good old days[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KYMER[/bold] wrote: the way round it is to spend now simples[/p][/quote]Any fool can throw good money after bad, and that is the way to oblivion. The real mark of doing it correctly is to learn from and correct previous mistakes, and make sure that every £ laid out gives a return. In our situation that also means whilst doing this, even further reducing 'outgoings'. The sad fact is that is this 'modern age' of football there is only one place for financial sanctuary, and that is (IMO) the dreaded Prem. League. The catalyst of this whole debacle.[/p][/quote]Just keep throwing money at it, some will stick eventually. bridtiger
  • Score: 0

11:49am Tue 2 Sep 14

gleechy says...

BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp
ions
wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
J.C - Rishton wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario.

I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time.

How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves.

Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans.

So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud!
Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years??

Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season.

I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY.

Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla.

Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER.

Even for you that's a bit pathetic.
I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it!

As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958.

So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.
Err yes you DO predict we'll win every week - especially in the season we got relegated.

You have continually posted (even during the Steve Kean meltdown period) that things would be all right if we all looked on the "Brightside" and stopped calling Steve all those horrible names and "get behind the team" bla bla bla.

You aint got an original thought in your brain - just happy clappy rubbish until the point were even you can see its cr@p and then you take the "moderate, reasonable line" saying exactly what I and people like me have be posting about for at least the previous six months whlist you have been ridiculing us as "provocative, "reactionary" "extreamist" "doomongers" etc etc - then 6-9months later you come round to my way of thinking!!!

Do us all a favour and clime back in your bottle of red, who knows when you've supped it all you may actually come up with an original correct thought not just happy clappy, meaningless rubbish!!!!
This is actually very true. I argued with the fella through that long hard 2011-2012 season and you are absolutely right; he predicts victories and scorelines that leave me flabbergasted. No grip on reality at all. And that is the tragedy of this whole affair, so many Rovers "fans" out there simply do not get it.

People like Odw Nick, French Rover, Welsh Rover, etc portray themselves as the voices of moderation but are actually extreme in their views with little to no tolerance for anyone that does not agree with them.

They resort to questioning peoples mental health, call them names Owd Nick likes to smear people as "racist" and they often report comments and try to have people banned. They engage in all kinds of skulduggery and jiggerypokery. It really is sordid.
I think you could probably assume that these so called innocent supporters are gaining in some way from protecting their employer's feelings.
[quote][p][bold]BRFC:ThePeoplesChamp ions[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.C - Rishton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Seems JC and TMT absolutely revel in this kind of doomsday scenario. I think that most Rovers fans already understand (and expected) that the financials were going to be terrible news for the club and that the clubs own accounts will be even worse. We don`t need the `prophets of doom` to spell that out to us for the umpteenth time. How we got into this horrible situation which threatens the very life and future of our great club is well documented and has been discussed a zillion times on these pages - so no point in going over all that again and fighting among ourselves. Whats the answer and what can we do? Well seems that promotion back to the premier league is perhaps the only immediate answer, and for that we need the continued backing of our owners and our fans. So if there was ever a time to get behind Blackburn Rovers FC - then now is the time to do it. Loud and Proud![/p][/quote]Why am I a prophet of doom because I have been preaching financial prudence and FFP compliance for the last 2 years?? Surely that has been the right tack to take, even though I feel I've been preaching "financial prudence" on my own on these pages throughout this period receiving non stop digs from fans like you because I care about the LONGTERM future of BRFC not just the result of our next game or not just this season. I want BRFC to still be in exsistence (at a reasonably high level) so my grandchildren and great grandchildren can go and watch them and get the same enjoyment that I have been able to enjoy and I don't think the best way of doing this is have millions and millions of pounds of losses and debt is the way to achieve long term STABILITY. Take a look at your own attitude over this period with your continual postings of happy clapper nonsense "everythings gonna be fine" "we'll win every game this season", "FFP will never be implemented" bla bla bla. Now you've woken up to the reality that Venkys continued miss-financial management is leaving us a massive creak if we don't gain promotion this season and all you can do is SHOOT THE MESSANGER. Even for you that's a bit pathetic.[/p][/quote]I never said any of those things jc and well you know it. Nobody `has just woken` up as you put it, though you may not have seen it most fans know that this has been coming since the days of the Walkers Trust, the Venkys just accelerated it! As for watching the Rovers through the generations - there have been five generations in my family who have supported the Rovers and I have been watching them since 1958. So get off your self sanctimonious horse and show some support for the club when it really needs it.[/p][/quote]Err yes you DO predict we'll win every week - especially in the season we got relegated. You have continually posted (even during the Steve Kean meltdown period) that things would be all right if we all looked on the "Brightside" and stopped calling Steve all those horrible names and "get behind the team" bla bla bla. You aint got an original thought in your brain - just happy clappy rubbish until the point were even you can see its cr@p and then you take the "moderate, reasonable line" saying exactly what I and people like me have be posting about for at least the previous six months whlist you have been ridiculing us as "provocative, "reactionary" "extreamist" "doomongers" etc etc - then 6-9months later you come round to my way of thinking!!! Do us all a favour and clime back in your bottle of red, who knows when you've supped it all you may actually come up with an original correct thought not just happy clappy, meaningless rubbish!!!![/p][/quote]This is actually very true. I argued with the fella through that long hard 2011-2012 season and you are absolutely right; he predicts victories and scorelines that leave me flabbergasted. No grip on reality at all. And that is the tragedy of this whole affair, so many Rovers "fans" out there simply do not get it. People like Odw Nick, French Rover, Welsh Rover, etc portray themselves as the voices of moderation but are actually extreme in their views with little to no tolerance for anyone that does not agree with them. They resort to questioning peoples mental health, call them names Owd Nick likes to smear people as "racist" and they often report comments and try to have people banned. They engage in all kinds of skulduggery and jiggerypokery. It really is sordid.[/p][/quote]I think you could probably assume that these so called innocent supporters are gaining in some way from protecting their employer's feelings. gleechy
  • Score: 0
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