East Lancs politicians and faith leaders call for end to Gaza conflict

At the Prayer for Peace vigil are, (from left): Interfaith Forum secretary Eric Estill, Anjum Anwar, Mustafa Desai, council leader Kate Hollern, Naushad Surve, Irshad Riyazuddin, Mohammed Khan and Canon Shannon Ledbetter

At the Prayer for Peace vigil are, (from left): Interfaith Forum secretary Eric Estill, Anjum Anwar, Mustafa Desai, council leader Kate Hollern, Naushad Surve, Irshad Riyazuddin, Mohammed Khan and Canon Shannon Ledbetter

First published in News Blackburn Citizen: Photograph of the Author by , Local government reporter

POLITICIANS and faith leaders have come together in both Blackburn and Burnley to call for peace in Gaza and around the world.

Yesterday, a small group held a prayer vigil for world peace outside Blackburn Town Hall.

The event was organised by Little Harwood councillor Naushad Surve, Cathedral dialogue development officer Anjum Anwar, borough leader Kate Hollern, her deputy Mohammed Khan and Canon Shannon Ledbetter.

In Burnley, Central East county councillor Misfar Hassan organised a rally in the town.

Those who attended included council leader Julie Cooper, the town’s MP Gordon Birtwistle, East Lancashire Euro MPs Afzal Khan and Sajjad Karim Father Peter of St Andrew’s Church, Father Michael Waters St John’s Church and leading Muslim clerics. Yesterday Israel's military carried out air strikes in response to fresh rocket fire.

More than 2,080 people, most of them Palestinians, have died since July 8. Coun Hassan told the Burnley rally: “The ongoing conflict In Gaza has consumed thousands of lives including many children and women.

“This situation will have a long-term impact. Our intention is to stop bloodshed and bring about just and lasting peace.”

Mr Birtwistle said: “I went to this well-attended rally to support calls on both sides and the international community to end this bloodshed and bring about a peaceful two-state solution to the conflict.”

Coun Hollern said: “We just have to look back in history about the devastation war brings. I want to give my support to the organisers who are trying to bring different people and different faiths and religions in the borough together to give a united message of peace."

Coun Surve said: “All over the world, there are conflicts which are having a devastating effect on people of all faiths such as the ones in the Middle East and in the Ukraine.

“We wanted to come together, and highlight the terrible consequences of armed struggles on families.

“We are praying all sides in these destructive conflicts come together and work towards peaceful solutions.”

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1:59pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Frisson says...

WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?
WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP? Frisson
  • Score: 18

2:00pm Wed 20 Aug 14

painterman1060 says...

It's easy to stop the conflict just stop killing g Israel's and stop firing rockets into Israel .and they will stop firing back and giving Hamas a good hiding every time. Simple
It's easy to stop the conflict just stop killing g Israel's and stop firing rockets into Israel .and they will stop firing back and giving Hamas a good hiding every time. Simple painterman1060
  • Score: 21

2:14pm Wed 20 Aug 14

painterman1060 says...

Frisson wrote:
WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?
Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race.
[quote][p][bold]Frisson[/bold] wrote: WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?[/p][/quote]Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race. painterman1060
  • Score: 21

2:16pm Wed 20 Aug 14

painterman1060 says...

painterman1060 wrote:
Frisson wrote:
WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?
Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race.
Mind
[quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frisson[/bold] wrote: WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?[/p][/quote]Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race.[/p][/quote]Mind painterman1060
  • Score: -9

2:18pm Wed 20 Aug 14

painterman1060 says...

painterman1060 wrote:
painterman1060 wrote:
Frisson wrote:
WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?
Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race.
Mind
Mind
[quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frisson[/bold] wrote: WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?[/p][/quote]Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race.[/p][/quote]Mind[/p][/quote]Mind painterman1060
  • Score: -12

3:11pm Wed 20 Aug 14

shytalk says...

Can't comment. it will be seen as racist
Can't comment. it will be seen as racist shytalk
  • Score: 5

3:31pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

painterman1060 wrote:
painterman1060 wrote:
painterman1060 wrote:
Frisson wrote:
WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?
Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race.
Mind
Mind
How many times must it be repeated before it permeates through to whatever you possess that passes for a brain. Islam is a FAITH, NOT a RACE!
[quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frisson[/bold] wrote: WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?[/p][/quote]Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race.[/p][/quote]Mind[/p][/quote]Mind[/p][/quote]How many times must it be repeated before it permeates through to whatever you possess that passes for a brain. Islam is a FAITH, NOT a RACE! Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: 10

3:33pm Wed 20 Aug 14

drunken donut says...

Death to Hamas and all the other religious nutters.
Death to Hamas and all the other religious nutters. drunken donut
  • Score: 14

4:05pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Commenting says...

Oldmanofthemountains wrote:
painterman1060 wrote:
painterman1060 wrote:
painterman1060 wrote:
Frisson wrote:
WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?
Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race.
Mind
Mind
How many times must it be repeated before it permeates through to whatever you possess that passes for a brain. Islam is a FAITH, NOT a RACE!
Islam does not appear to be a faith but a satanic evil cult.
[quote][p][bold]Oldmanofthemountains[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frisson[/bold] wrote: WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?[/p][/quote]Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race.[/p][/quote]Mind[/p][/quote]Mind[/p][/quote]How many times must it be repeated before it permeates through to whatever you possess that passes for a brain. Islam is a FAITH, NOT a RACE![/p][/quote]Islam does not appear to be a faith but a satanic evil cult. Commenting
  • Score: 13

4:08pm Wed 20 Aug 14

The Fair Word says...

ISIS are not funded by any government and are not armed by the UK and USA whereas Israel is. The reason people don't hold marches against ISIS is because we already know what they are doing is completely wrong. The protests for Gaza are different because the UK government provide OUR tax money as well as weapons to Israel and these are being used to MURDER innocent men, women & children. How many pictures/video's have you seen of unrest and death in Israel compared to the pictures and videos of the complete devastation in Gaza.
This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with just being human. if you feel that the disproportionate force used by Israel is justified, then there is something seriously wrong with you.
Palestine has been occupied. Homes have been taken over or bombed. Children killed while playing on the beach. Children kidnapped on a daily basis by the Israeli Army. Israeli's openly calling for the death and destruction of all Arabs. Even a blind man can see that is completely wrong.
I am not Anti-semitic, I am human.
@painterman - Maybe an idea to stop the devastation would be for Israel to revert back to the original borders as agreed in 1947 and to stop this unjust blockade of Gaza. There are 2 sides to every story and you are only going off what the biased media tell you.
Hamas is an elected government with an armed division. No different to Labour, Conservatives etc in this country. Palestinians do not have an army so there only hops of living peacefully is through Hamas. Do some research and you may be surprised to find that before the creation of Israel, there were no problems in the middle east.
ISIS are not funded by any government and are not armed by the UK and USA whereas Israel is. The reason people don't hold marches against ISIS is because we already know what they are doing is completely wrong. The protests for Gaza are different because the UK government provide OUR tax money as well as weapons to Israel and these are being used to MURDER innocent men, women & children. How many pictures/video's have you seen of unrest and death in Israel compared to the pictures and videos of the complete devastation in Gaza. This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with just being human. if you feel that the disproportionate force used by Israel is justified, then there is something seriously wrong with you. Palestine has been occupied. Homes have been taken over or bombed. Children killed while playing on the beach. Children kidnapped on a daily basis by the Israeli Army. Israeli's openly calling for the death and destruction of all Arabs. Even a blind man can see that is completely wrong. I am not Anti-semitic, I am human. @painterman - Maybe an idea to stop the devastation would be for Israel to revert back to the original borders as agreed in 1947 and to stop this unjust blockade of Gaza. There are 2 sides to every story and you are only going off what the biased media tell you. Hamas is an elected government with an armed division. No different to Labour, Conservatives etc in this country. Palestinians do not have an army so there only hops of living peacefully is through Hamas. Do some research and you may be surprised to find that before the creation of Israel, there were no problems in the middle east. The Fair Word
  • Score: -11

4:10pm Wed 20 Aug 14

The Fair Word says...

@commenting - and what research have you done to come to this ridiculous conclusion ?
Read some books and you may see the world in a different light
@commenting - and what research have you done to come to this ridiculous conclusion ? Read some books and you may see the world in a different light The Fair Word
  • Score: -6

4:15pm Wed 20 Aug 14

coates warder says...

well i wont be doing mine on wikipedia .yes hamas peaceful people who have never kidnapped anyone bombed anyone or murdered anyone. have they not..
well i wont be doing mine on wikipedia .yes hamas peaceful people who have never kidnapped anyone bombed anyone or murdered anyone. have they not.. coates warder
  • Score: 8

4:23pm Wed 20 Aug 14

The Fair Word says...

Nobody has said they haven't. However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate.
Answer this, why was it that in 1947, no other country in the world wanted the Israeli's ? Why was it that the UK government felt that they would give the Israeli's land belonging to another nation ?
The answer being that no country trusts them and the reason is evident by seeing what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank.
This is not about Israel defending itself from home made rockets, it is about grabbing as much land as they can through war, torture and oppression.
Nobody has said they haven't. However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate. Answer this, why was it that in 1947, no other country in the world wanted the Israeli's ? Why was it that the UK government felt that they would give the Israeli's land belonging to another nation ? The answer being that no country trusts them and the reason is evident by seeing what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank. This is not about Israel defending itself from home made rockets, it is about grabbing as much land as they can through war, torture and oppression. The Fair Word
  • Score: -1

4:45pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Owd Akela says...

I'm in agreement with The Fair Word. It was the meddlesome British Government in 1947 that took land away from Palestine to create the modern state of Israel. This was because no other country wanted to take in exiled Jews after the Hitler genocide years from 1938 so a country was formed for them.

If we couldn't colonise any further countries as we were losing them thick and fast - India, Canada, Australia etc why not meddle with somebody else's lands.
I'm in agreement with The Fair Word. It was the meddlesome British Government in 1947 that took land away from Palestine to create the modern state of Israel. This was because no other country wanted to take in exiled Jews after the Hitler genocide years from 1938 so a country was formed for them. If we couldn't colonise any further countries as we were losing them thick and fast - India, Canada, Australia etc why not meddle with somebody else's lands. Owd Akela
  • Score: 1

4:56pm Wed 20 Aug 14

the beaver says...

Oldmanofthemountains wrote:
painterman1060 wrote:
painterman1060 wrote:
painterman1060 wrote:
Frisson wrote:
WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?
Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race.
Mind
Mind
How many times must it be repeated before it permeates through to whatever you possess that passes for a brain. Islam is a FAITH, NOT a RACE!
With what's going on around the world Islam is becoming a terrorist organisation not a faith.
[quote][p][bold]Oldmanofthemountains[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]painterman1060[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frisson[/bold] wrote: WHEN WILL THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL FOR ISIS TO ALSO STOP?[/p][/quote]Just seen the news about the murder of james foley head cut off by a so called english Asian Isis .say it all about the Muslim state of mine and mentality .Olive branch in one hand knife in the other u can't trust anything they say. Pure evil race.[/p][/quote]Mind[/p][/quote]Mind[/p][/quote]How many times must it be repeated before it permeates through to whatever you possess that passes for a brain. Islam is a FAITH, NOT a RACE![/p][/quote]With what's going on around the world Islam is becoming a terrorist organisation not a faith. the beaver
  • Score: 5

6:46pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Dr John says...

I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book?
If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.
I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book? If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement. Dr John
  • Score: 5

7:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

The Fair Word; "ISIS are not funded by any government....."
And how exactly do you know that? Do please enlighten us.
The Fair Word; "ISIS are not funded by any government....." And how exactly do you know that? Do please enlighten us. Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: -7

8:35pm Wed 20 Aug 14

jimpy0 says...

they shuld be nuked back into the stoneage
they shuld be nuked back into the stoneage jimpy0
  • Score: 7

8:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Openminded? says...

Dr John wrote:
I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book?
If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.
Please provide these 109 versus?
[quote][p][bold]Dr John[/bold] wrote: I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book? If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.[/p][/quote]Please provide these 109 versus? Openminded?
  • Score: 4

7:38am Thu 21 Aug 14

painterman1060 says...

The Fair Word wrote:
@commenting - and what research have you done to come to this ridiculous conclusion ?
Read some books and you may see the world in a different light
Deluded
[quote][p][bold]The Fair Word[/bold] wrote: @commenting - and what research have you done to come to this ridiculous conclusion ? Read some books and you may see the world in a different light[/p][/quote]Deluded painterman1060
  • Score: -4

8:38am Thu 21 Aug 14

RK says...

Only slightly off topic, why can't we comment on the story about the idiots who painted 'Free Palastine (sic) Now' on some prominent Blackburn buildings? Probably the same morons who were demonstrating outside Tesco in Blackburn harassing women and children.
Only slightly off topic, why can't we comment on the story about the idiots who painted 'Free Palastine (sic) Now' on some prominent Blackburn buildings? Probably the same morons who were demonstrating outside Tesco in Blackburn harassing women and children. RK
  • Score: 5

8:42am Thu 21 Aug 14

drunken donut says...

Muslims will NEVER integrate with any non Muslims, they are insular and single minded, just look at what is happening in Blackburn, radical slogans painted around the town and the Telegraph won't allow comments. Drug dealers, paedophiles, crash for cash, mass brawls in the street etc all theses things are almost exclusively Muslims, and yet their leaders come out complaining about Israel quite rightly defending itself against Hamas. It is time for the government to grow a pair and stop this in its tracks, the banning of burkas should be it's first priority and the the compulsory speaking of English before access to benefits which let's face it is the only reason most of them are here.
Muslims will NEVER integrate with any non Muslims, they are insular and single minded, just look at what is happening in Blackburn, radical slogans painted around the town and the Telegraph won't allow comments. Drug dealers, paedophiles, crash for cash, mass brawls in the street etc all theses things are almost exclusively Muslims, and yet their leaders come out complaining about Israel quite rightly defending itself against Hamas. It is time for the government to grow a pair and stop this in its tracks, the banning of burkas should be it's first priority and the the compulsory speaking of English before access to benefits which let's face it is the only reason most of them are here. drunken donut
  • Score: 9

8:59am Thu 21 Aug 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

"the banning of burkas should be it's first priority"
Hear, hear! Or, at last, niquabs - full face veils. Long overdue.
"the banning of burkas should be it's first priority" Hear, hear! Or, at last, niquabs - full face veils. Long overdue. Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: 3

9:06am Thu 21 Aug 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

"at last " - "at least"!
"at last " - "at least"! Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: 1

9:52am Thu 21 Aug 14

TONY WALES says...

drunken donut wrote:
Muslims will NEVER integrate with any non Muslims, they are insular and single minded, just look at what is happening in Blackburn, radical slogans painted around the town and the Telegraph won't allow comments. Drug dealers, paedophiles, crash for cash, mass brawls in the street etc all theses things are almost exclusively Muslims, and yet their leaders come out complaining about Israel quite rightly defending itself against Hamas. It is time for the government to grow a pair and stop this in its tracks, the banning of burkas should be it's first priority and the the compulsory speaking of English before access to benefits which let's face it is the only reason most of them are here.
Sounds like you are preparing for World War 3.

It's just that they don't believe in the English way of life and our culture.

Just believe in doing and living the life as it is in Pakistan, and collecting the social benefits and health and education perks of living in this country.

You will never change this without a radical change of government policies.
But too many shout about changes.
I would get everybody to provide a DNA sample, and finger prints to the government, and introduce a ID cards for everybody.
Spain, France and Germany all have ID cards ,without problems

Wait now for all the do-gooders and the people with something to hide to start shouting.......ready go....
[quote][p][bold]drunken donut[/bold] wrote: Muslims will NEVER integrate with any non Muslims, they are insular and single minded, just look at what is happening in Blackburn, radical slogans painted around the town and the Telegraph won't allow comments. Drug dealers, paedophiles, crash for cash, mass brawls in the street etc all theses things are almost exclusively Muslims, and yet their leaders come out complaining about Israel quite rightly defending itself against Hamas. It is time for the government to grow a pair and stop this in its tracks, the banning of burkas should be it's first priority and the the compulsory speaking of English before access to benefits which let's face it is the only reason most of them are here.[/p][/quote]Sounds like you are preparing for World War 3. It's just that they don't believe in the English way of life and our culture. Just believe in doing and living the life as it is in Pakistan, and collecting the social benefits and health and education perks of living in this country. You will never change this without a radical change of government policies. But too many shout about changes. I would get everybody to provide a DNA sample, and finger prints to the government, and introduce a ID cards for everybody. Spain, France and Germany all have ID cards ,without problems Wait now for all the do-gooders and the people with something to hide to start shouting.......ready go.... TONY WALES
  • Score: 7

10:13am Thu 21 Aug 14

TONY WALES says...

The Fair Word wrote:
Nobody has said they haven't. However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate.
Answer this, why was it that in 1947, no other country in the world wanted the Israeli's ? Why was it that the UK government felt that they would give the Israeli's land belonging to another nation ?
The answer being that no country trusts them and the reason is evident by seeing what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank.
This is not about Israel defending itself from home made rockets, it is about grabbing as much land as they can through war, torture and oppression.
AS regards no country wanting the Israeli's I don't remember being asked if I wanted mass immigration from Pakistan.

How many people want to stop any more immigration fro Pakistan.?

The Jewish people settled in the U/K are not causing all the crime being committed by the Muslim people. (1 in 7 of the prison population)
The Jews have mixed very well and don't cause us any problems, more than can be said for the Muslims.

Can we have a vote to stop any more immigration?
[quote][p][bold]The Fair Word[/bold] wrote: Nobody has said they haven't. However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate. Answer this, why was it that in 1947, no other country in the world wanted the Israeli's ? Why was it that the UK government felt that they would give the Israeli's land belonging to another nation ? The answer being that no country trusts them and the reason is evident by seeing what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank. This is not about Israel defending itself from home made rockets, it is about grabbing as much land as they can through war, torture and oppression.[/p][/quote]AS regards no country wanting the Israeli's I don't remember being asked if I wanted mass immigration from Pakistan. How many people want to stop any more immigration fro Pakistan.? The Jewish people settled in the U/K are not causing all the crime being committed by the Muslim people. (1 in 7 of the prison population) The Jews have mixed very well and don't cause us any problems, more than can be said for the Muslims. Can we have a vote to stop any more immigration? TONY WALES
  • Score: 6

10:27am Thu 21 Aug 14

NorthernVoice says...

"However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate."

This is the only sensible thing you've written. Turns out if you keep firing rockets over a border eventually the country on the receiving end fights back. Hamas' problem is Israel has a much much bigger stick than they do. If Hamas had the capability they'd be doing the same to Israel.
"However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate." This is the only sensible thing you've written. Turns out if you keep firing rockets over a border eventually the country on the receiving end fights back. Hamas' problem is Israel has a much much bigger stick than they do. If Hamas had the capability they'd be doing the same to Israel. NorthernVoice
  • Score: 0

10:30am Thu 21 Aug 14

ikap22 says...

TONY WALES wrote:
The Fair Word wrote:
Nobody has said they haven't. However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate.
Answer this, why was it that in 1947, no other country in the world wanted the Israeli's ? Why was it that the UK government felt that they would give the Israeli's land belonging to another nation ?
The answer being that no country trusts them and the reason is evident by seeing what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank.
This is not about Israel defending itself from home made rockets, it is about grabbing as much land as they can through war, torture and oppression.
AS regards no country wanting the Israeli's I don't remember being asked if I wanted mass immigration from Pakistan.

How many people want to stop any more immigration fro Pakistan.?

The Jewish people settled in the U/K are not causing all the crime being committed by the Muslim people. (1 in 7 of the prison population)
The Jews have mixed very well and don't cause us any problems, more than can be said for the Muslims.

Can we have a vote to stop any more immigration?
Looks like you just love Pakistani people.
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Fair Word[/bold] wrote: Nobody has said they haven't. However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate. Answer this, why was it that in 1947, no other country in the world wanted the Israeli's ? Why was it that the UK government felt that they would give the Israeli's land belonging to another nation ? The answer being that no country trusts them and the reason is evident by seeing what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank. This is not about Israel defending itself from home made rockets, it is about grabbing as much land as they can through war, torture and oppression.[/p][/quote]AS regards no country wanting the Israeli's I don't remember being asked if I wanted mass immigration from Pakistan. How many people want to stop any more immigration fro Pakistan.? The Jewish people settled in the U/K are not causing all the crime being committed by the Muslim people. (1 in 7 of the prison population) The Jews have mixed very well and don't cause us any problems, more than can be said for the Muslims. Can we have a vote to stop any more immigration?[/p][/quote]Looks like you just love Pakistani people. ikap22
  • Score: 0

10:51am Thu 21 Aug 14

The Fair Word says...

"NorthernVoice says...

"However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate."

This is the only sensible thing you've written. Turns out if you keep firing rockets over a border eventually the country on the receiving end fights back. Hamas' problem is Israel has a much much bigger stick than they do. If Hamas had the capability they'd be doing the same to Israel."

Would you tolerate it if your new neighbours suddenly started building an extension on your land and then slowly started taking over your house ? Would you be happy if they kidnapped your father and brothers and kept them detained for no reason at all while taking more and more of your land ? All in the name of defending themselves from you.....
"NorthernVoice says... "However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate." This is the only sensible thing you've written. Turns out if you keep firing rockets over a border eventually the country on the receiving end fights back. Hamas' problem is Israel has a much much bigger stick than they do. If Hamas had the capability they'd be doing the same to Israel." Would you tolerate it if your new neighbours suddenly started building an extension on your land and then slowly started taking over your house ? Would you be happy if they kidnapped your father and brothers and kept them detained for no reason at all while taking more and more of your land ? All in the name of defending themselves from you..... The Fair Word
  • Score: 6

10:55am Thu 21 Aug 14

The Fair Word says...

"Oldmanofthemountain
s says...

The Fair Word; "ISIS are not funded by any government....."
And how exactly do you know that? Do please enlighten us"

What I meant by that comment was that ISIS are not funded by the UK and USA in the same way Israel is. No true muslim believes that ISIS are fighting in the name of Islam. In fact, the atrocities they are committing go far against the teachings of Islam. The point of the protests in the UK is to show the government that they are arming and funding a nation that has proven illegal settlements and are committing war crimes on a daily basis and that it needs to stop. The fact that Vince Cable has suspended some arms licences to Israel (with America following suit) just proves the point.
"Oldmanofthemountain s says... The Fair Word; "ISIS are not funded by any government....." And how exactly do you know that? Do please enlighten us" What I meant by that comment was that ISIS are not funded by the UK and USA in the same way Israel is. No true muslim believes that ISIS are fighting in the name of Islam. In fact, the atrocities they are committing go far against the teachings of Islam. The point of the protests in the UK is to show the government that they are arming and funding a nation that has proven illegal settlements and are committing war crimes on a daily basis and that it needs to stop. The fact that Vince Cable has suspended some arms licences to Israel (with America following suit) just proves the point. The Fair Word
  • Score: 0

10:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

The Fair Word says...

"Oldmanofthemountain
s says...

The Fair Word; "ISIS are not funded by any government....."
And how exactly do you know that? Do please enlighten us"

What I meant by that comment was that ISIS are not funded by the UK and USA in the same way Israel is. No true muslim believes that ISIS are fighting in the name of Islam. In fact, the atrocities they are committing go far against the teachings of Islam. The point of the protests in the UK is to show the government that they are arming and funding a nation that has proven illegal settlements and are committing war crimes on a daily basis and that it needs to stop. The fact that Vince Cable has suspended some arms licences to Israel (with America following suit) just proves the point.
"Oldmanofthemountain s says... The Fair Word; "ISIS are not funded by any government....." And how exactly do you know that? Do please enlighten us" What I meant by that comment was that ISIS are not funded by the UK and USA in the same way Israel is. No true muslim believes that ISIS are fighting in the name of Islam. In fact, the atrocities they are committing go far against the teachings of Islam. The point of the protests in the UK is to show the government that they are arming and funding a nation that has proven illegal settlements and are committing war crimes on a daily basis and that it needs to stop. The fact that Vince Cable has suspended some arms licences to Israel (with America following suit) just proves the point. The Fair Word
  • Score: 2

11:30am Thu 21 Aug 14

sen c b l says...

TONY WALES wrote:
The Fair Word wrote:
Nobody has said they haven't. However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate.
Answer this, why was it that in 1947, no other country in the world wanted the Israeli's ? Why was it that the UK government felt that they would give the Israeli's land belonging to another nation ?
The answer being that no country trusts them and the reason is evident by seeing what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank.
This is not about Israel defending itself from home made rockets, it is about grabbing as much land as they can through war, torture and oppression.
AS regards no country wanting the Israeli's I don't remember being asked if I wanted mass immigration from Pakistan.

How many people want to stop any more immigration fro Pakistan.?

The Jewish people settled in the U/K are not causing all the crime being committed by the Muslim people. (1 in 7 of the prison population)
The Jews have mixed very well and don't cause us any problems, more than can be said for the Muslims.

Can we have a vote to stop any more immigration?
Bravo Bravo Bravo Wales.
This is the first time I have actually seen your comment and you have precisely hit the nail on its head, Not that I personally agree with the Pakistani quote but 1 in 7 Muslims in prison, ah, what a perfect straight to the point comment and it's not the Jewish community committing all the crimes. I salute you Wales.

Well Muslims? What have you got to say for yourself ? !!!
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Fair Word[/bold] wrote: Nobody has said they haven't. However, if you keep pushing and pushing people, sooner or later, they will retaliate. Answer this, why was it that in 1947, no other country in the world wanted the Israeli's ? Why was it that the UK government felt that they would give the Israeli's land belonging to another nation ? The answer being that no country trusts them and the reason is evident by seeing what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank. This is not about Israel defending itself from home made rockets, it is about grabbing as much land as they can through war, torture and oppression.[/p][/quote]AS regards no country wanting the Israeli's I don't remember being asked if I wanted mass immigration from Pakistan. How many people want to stop any more immigration fro Pakistan.? The Jewish people settled in the U/K are not causing all the crime being committed by the Muslim people. (1 in 7 of the prison population) The Jews have mixed very well and don't cause us any problems, more than can be said for the Muslims. Can we have a vote to stop any more immigration?[/p][/quote]Bravo Bravo Bravo Wales. This is the first time I have actually seen your comment and you have precisely hit the nail on its head, Not that I personally agree with the Pakistani quote but 1 in 7 Muslims in prison, ah, what a perfect straight to the point comment and it's not the Jewish community committing all the crimes. I salute you Wales. Well Muslims? What have you got to say for yourself ? !!! sen c b l
  • Score: 7

11:41am Thu 21 Aug 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

The Fair Word wrote:
"Oldmanofthemou
ntain
s says...

The Fair Word; "ISIS are not funded by any government....."
And how exactly do you know that? Do please enlighten us"

What I meant by that comment was that ISIS are not funded by the UK and USA in the same way Israel is. No true muslim believes that ISIS are fighting in the name of Islam. In fact, the atrocities they are committing go far against the teachings of Islam. The point of the protests in the UK is to show the government that they are arming and funding a nation that has proven illegal settlements and are committing war crimes on a daily basis and that it needs to stop. The fact that Vince Cable has suspended some arms licences to Israel (with America following suit) just proves the point.
Fair enough - I'll accept that, for now. Interesting, though, that my question attracted so many "thumbs downs". Anyone care to comment?
[quote][p][bold]The Fair Word[/bold] wrote: "Oldmanofthemou ntain s says... The Fair Word; "ISIS are not funded by any government....." And how exactly do you know that? Do please enlighten us" What I meant by that comment was that ISIS are not funded by the UK and USA in the same way Israel is. No true muslim believes that ISIS are fighting in the name of Islam. In fact, the atrocities they are committing go far against the teachings of Islam. The point of the protests in the UK is to show the government that they are arming and funding a nation that has proven illegal settlements and are committing war crimes on a daily basis and that it needs to stop. The fact that Vince Cable has suspended some arms licences to Israel (with America following suit) just proves the point.[/p][/quote]Fair enough - I'll accept that, for now. Interesting, though, that my question attracted so many "thumbs downs". Anyone care to comment? Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: -4

11:42am Thu 21 Aug 14

Dr John says...

Openminded? wrote:
Dr John wrote:
I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book?
If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.
Please provide these 109 versus?
Here are 2 from the Hadiths.
The Last Hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews. The Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: ‘Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him;’ but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”
(Sahih Muslim, Kitab al-Fitan wa Ashrat as-Sa'ah, Book 41, 6985)

“So that Jews will hide behind trees and the tree will say “Muslim! The servant of Allah! Come, look there is a Jew behind me, he hid here, behind me, come and punish him”. Only the tree Gharqad will not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”
(Kitab al-Fitan, hadith. 2239)

However you interpret this sort of thing, this is the justification that these terrorists are using.
[quote][p][bold]Openminded?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr John[/bold] wrote: I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book? If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.[/p][/quote]Please provide these 109 versus?[/p][/quote]Here are 2 from the Hadiths. The Last Hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews. The Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: ‘Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him;’ but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.” (Sahih Muslim, Kitab al-Fitan wa Ashrat as-Sa'ah, Book 41, 6985) “So that Jews will hide behind trees and the tree will say “Muslim! The servant of Allah! Come, look there is a Jew behind me, he hid here, behind me, come and punish him”. Only the tree Gharqad will not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.” (Kitab al-Fitan, hadith. 2239) However you interpret this sort of thing, this is the justification that these terrorists are using. Dr John
  • Score: 3

12:20pm Thu 21 Aug 14

jimpy0 says...

Will it be OK if I daub FREE IRAQ and FREE SYRIA and various other countries all over public monuments, mosques ? It would be nice to have a FREE BRITISH PRESS and be allowed to comment !!! -- but not from this pro muslim rag, allegedly that Bilal guy was amazing, so why did a young girl feel the need to stab him. ------------ and people wonder why its us and them. comments on the story removed already
Will it be OK if I daub FREE IRAQ and FREE SYRIA and various other countries all over public monuments, mosques ? It would be nice to have a FREE BRITISH PRESS and be allowed to comment !!! -- but not from this pro muslim rag, allegedly that Bilal guy was amazing, so why did a young girl feel the need to stab him. ------------ and people wonder why its us and them. comments on the story removed already jimpy0
  • Score: -4

12:36pm Thu 21 Aug 14

sen c b l says...

Dr John wrote:
I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book?
If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.
May I suggest you take a indepth view of 'the Torah Ha Meleich' the kings Torah, and I quote, 'it is permissible to kill the u believers babies and children if there is a risk of them growing up and a risk to the Jews, and kill the women if they are a threat by giving birth to an offspring whom will eventually become a risk to the Jews, strike them down and hunt them and erase them as Gods chosen people was saved by Moses'!!!
[quote][p][bold]Dr John[/bold] wrote: I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book? If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.[/p][/quote]May I suggest you take a indepth view of 'the Torah Ha Meleich' the kings Torah, and I quote, 'it is permissible to kill the u believers babies and children if there is a risk of them growing up and a risk to the Jews, and kill the women if they are a threat by giving birth to an offspring whom will eventually become a risk to the Jews, strike them down and hunt them and erase them as Gods chosen people was saved by Moses'!!! sen c b l
  • Score: 7

12:38pm Thu 21 Aug 14

sen c b l says...

jimpy0 wrote:
Will it be OK if I daub FREE IRAQ and FREE SYRIA and various other countries all over public monuments, mosques ? It would be nice to have a FREE BRITISH PRESS and be allowed to comment !!! -- but not from this pro muslim rag, allegedly that Bilal guy was amazing, so why did a young girl feel the need to stab him. ------------ and people wonder why its us and them. comments on the story removed already
...because it's a murder investigation!

You uneducated buffoon.
[quote][p][bold]jimpy0[/bold] wrote: Will it be OK if I daub FREE IRAQ and FREE SYRIA and various other countries all over public monuments, mosques ? It would be nice to have a FREE BRITISH PRESS and be allowed to comment !!! -- but not from this pro muslim rag, allegedly that Bilal guy was amazing, so why did a young girl feel the need to stab him. ------------ and people wonder why its us and them. comments on the story removed already[/p][/quote]...because it's a murder investigation! You uneducated buffoon. sen c b l
  • Score: 6

1:11pm Thu 21 Aug 14

sen c b l says...

Oldmanofthemountains wrote:
The Fair Word wrote:
"Oldmanofthemou

ntain
s says...

The Fair Word; "ISIS are not funded by any government....."
And how exactly do you know that? Do please enlighten us"

What I meant by that comment was that ISIS are not funded by the UK and USA in the same way Israel is. No true muslim believes that ISIS are fighting in the name of Islam. In fact, the atrocities they are committing go far against the teachings of Islam. The point of the protests in the UK is to show the government that they are arming and funding a nation that has proven illegal settlements and are committing war crimes on a daily basis and that it needs to stop. The fact that Vince Cable has suspended some arms licences to Israel (with America following suit) just proves the point.
Fair enough - I'll accept that, for now. Interesting, though, that my question attracted so many "thumbs downs". Anyone care to comment?
The ISIS in Syria, the rebels, were armed by this very government to fight the Assad regime. As the popularity grew in numbers and the support in the surrounding countries and the foundation of ISIS formed in Iraq as the caliphate, justify the reason to dispute and bomb the ISIS in Iraq and not in Syria when infact it is the very arms supplied in Syria probably being used against the Kurds and the Yazidis in Iraq, which will explain the number of thumbs down you'd received in your earlier post.
[quote][p][bold]Oldmanofthemountains[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Fair Word[/bold] wrote: "Oldmanofthemou ntain s says... The Fair Word; "ISIS are not funded by any government....." And how exactly do you know that? Do please enlighten us" What I meant by that comment was that ISIS are not funded by the UK and USA in the same way Israel is. No true muslim believes that ISIS are fighting in the name of Islam. In fact, the atrocities they are committing go far against the teachings of Islam. The point of the protests in the UK is to show the government that they are arming and funding a nation that has proven illegal settlements and are committing war crimes on a daily basis and that it needs to stop. The fact that Vince Cable has suspended some arms licences to Israel (with America following suit) just proves the point.[/p][/quote]Fair enough - I'll accept that, for now. Interesting, though, that my question attracted so many "thumbs downs". Anyone care to comment?[/p][/quote]The ISIS in Syria, the rebels, were armed by this very government to fight the Assad regime. As the popularity grew in numbers and the support in the surrounding countries and the foundation of ISIS formed in Iraq as the caliphate, justify the reason to dispute and bomb the ISIS in Iraq and not in Syria when infact it is the very arms supplied in Syria probably being used against the Kurds and the Yazidis in Iraq, which will explain the number of thumbs down you'd received in your earlier post. sen c b l
  • Score: 2

2:07pm Thu 21 Aug 14

ikap22 says...

Dr John wrote:
Openminded? wrote:
Dr John wrote:
I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book?
If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.
Please provide these 109 versus?
Here are 2 from the Hadiths.
The Last Hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews. The Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: ‘Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him;’ but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”
(Sahih Muslim, Kitab al-Fitan wa Ashrat as-Sa'ah, Book 41, 6985)

“So that Jews will hide behind trees and the tree will say “Muslim! The servant of Allah! Come, look there is a Jew behind me, he hid here, behind me, come and punish him”. Only the tree Gharqad will not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.”
(Kitab al-Fitan, hadith. 2239)

However you interpret this sort of thing, this is the justification that these terrorists are using.
Must be one hell of a big stone or a humongous tree! What exactly did you smoke when you were researching the hadiths. Does it never cross your pea pod minds, had the west not bombed the s**t out of Iraq this would not be happening to day.
[quote][p][bold]Dr John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Openminded?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr John[/bold] wrote: I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book? If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.[/p][/quote]Please provide these 109 versus?[/p][/quote]Here are 2 from the Hadiths. The Last Hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews. The Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: ‘Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him;’ but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.” (Sahih Muslim, Kitab al-Fitan wa Ashrat as-Sa'ah, Book 41, 6985) “So that Jews will hide behind trees and the tree will say “Muslim! The servant of Allah! Come, look there is a Jew behind me, he hid here, behind me, come and punish him”. Only the tree Gharqad will not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.” (Kitab al-Fitan, hadith. 2239) However you interpret this sort of thing, this is the justification that these terrorists are using.[/p][/quote]Must be one hell of a big stone or a humongous tree! What exactly did you smoke when you were researching the hadiths. Does it never cross your pea pod minds, had the west not bombed the s**t out of Iraq this would not be happening to day. ikap22
  • Score: -1

2:24pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Dr John says...

sen c b l wrote:
Dr John wrote:
I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book?
If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.
May I suggest you take a indepth view of 'the Torah Ha Meleich' the kings Torah, and I quote, 'it is permissible to kill the u believers babies and children if there is a risk of them growing up and a risk to the Jews, and kill the women if they are a threat by giving birth to an offspring whom will eventually become a risk to the Jews, strike them down and hunt them and erase them as Gods chosen people was saved by Moses'!!!
Thank you I am grateful to you and hope that this stimulates debate. I have very briefly scanned this document. It seems it was written recently. It is quite horrific and I would not endorse it. The author was apparently arrested for it but I do not think it went very far. I will add that this document is not part of authoritative Tanach teaching (what Christians call the Old Testament). The Islamic Hadiths are authoritative, ie they inform (add to or modify) Islamic doctrine. Christians and Jews hold to the view that extra-Biblical literature does not constitute the "Word of God" and therefore does not inform doctrine. Please correct me if I am wrong, but don't the Hadiths hold the same authority as the Quran in Islamic teaching and, if so, do they not add to the body of Islamic teachings?
[quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr John[/bold] wrote: I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book? If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.[/p][/quote]May I suggest you take a indepth view of 'the Torah Ha Meleich' the kings Torah, and I quote, 'it is permissible to kill the u believers babies and children if there is a risk of them growing up and a risk to the Jews, and kill the women if they are a threat by giving birth to an offspring whom will eventually become a risk to the Jews, strike them down and hunt them and erase them as Gods chosen people was saved by Moses'!!![/p][/quote]Thank you I am grateful to you and hope that this stimulates debate. I have very briefly scanned this document. It seems it was written recently. It is quite horrific and I would not endorse it. The author was apparently arrested for it but I do not think it went very far. I will add that this document is not part of authoritative Tanach teaching (what Christians call the Old Testament). The Islamic Hadiths are authoritative, ie they inform (add to or modify) Islamic doctrine. Christians and Jews hold to the view that extra-Biblical literature does not constitute the "Word of God" and therefore does not inform doctrine. Please correct me if I am wrong, but don't the Hadiths hold the same authority as the Quran in Islamic teaching and, if so, do they not add to the body of Islamic teachings? Dr John
  • Score: 2

3:21pm Thu 21 Aug 14

sen c b l says...

Dr John wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
Dr John wrote:
I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book?
If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.
May I suggest you take a indepth view of 'the Torah Ha Meleich' the kings Torah, and I quote, 'it is permissible to kill the u believers babies and children if there is a risk of them growing up and a risk to the Jews, and kill the women if they are a threat by giving birth to an offspring whom will eventually become a risk to the Jews, strike them down and hunt them and erase them as Gods chosen people was saved by Moses'!!!
Thank you I am grateful to you and hope that this stimulates debate. I have very briefly scanned this document. It seems it was written recently. It is quite horrific and I would not endorse it. The author was apparently arrested for it but I do not think it went very far. I will add that this document is not part of authoritative Tanach teaching (what Christians call the Old Testament). The Islamic Hadiths are authoritative, ie they inform (add to or modify) Islamic doctrine. Christians and Jews hold to the view that extra-Biblical literature does not constitute the "Word of God" and therefore does not inform doctrine. Please correct me if I am wrong, but don't the Hadiths hold the same authority as the Quran in Islamic teaching and, if so, do they not add to the body of Islamic teachings?
Regardless whether the author was arrested or not. It mentions that the information disclosed was as wished and according to a high rank Rabbi to in depth understanding of the Torah which would explain the actions of the Israelis against the Palestinains, and as instructed by God to save and protect the chosen race! For out to be wide in the open questions the evil intention not of the author but the race in general.
Correct and authentic it is I fail to see any comments to dispute my post by the regulars who seem to target one religion in media related propaganda. Is it not that certain religions are orchestrating their belief behind a barrier, a shield, to hide their intended aims and agenda.

Likewise your original post mentions one religion and not the other. Most would dispute the contents of your post, and not agree with the ISIS beliefs and dispute your contents as being misunderstood. It may well be quoted from the Quran but is to defend purpose only, by the oppressed and, rather than randomly. A Saudi cleric has condemned the actions of the ISIS, now lets see the Rabbis condemning the actions of the Israelis and correct our understanding of the Torah,
[quote][p][bold]Dr John[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr John[/bold] wrote: I think that the East Lancs Muslims dare not raise their heads above the parapet too much because their manual contains 109 verses that instruct them to kill Jews, Christians and the infidel. Is Hamas and ISIS merely doing what they have been indoctrinated to do in their book? If this is not true then perhaps an iman could comment on this statement.[/p][/quote]May I suggest you take a indepth view of 'the Torah Ha Meleich' the kings Torah, and I quote, 'it is permissible to kill the u believers babies and children if there is a risk of them growing up and a risk to the Jews, and kill the women if they are a threat by giving birth to an offspring whom will eventually become a risk to the Jews, strike them down and hunt them and erase them as Gods chosen people was saved by Moses'!!![/p][/quote]Thank you I am grateful to you and hope that this stimulates debate. I have very briefly scanned this document. It seems it was written recently. It is quite horrific and I would not endorse it. The author was apparently arrested for it but I do not think it went very far. I will add that this document is not part of authoritative Tanach teaching (what Christians call the Old Testament). The Islamic Hadiths are authoritative, ie they inform (add to or modify) Islamic doctrine. Christians and Jews hold to the view that extra-Biblical literature does not constitute the "Word of God" and therefore does not inform doctrine. Please correct me if I am wrong, but don't the Hadiths hold the same authority as the Quran in Islamic teaching and, if so, do they not add to the body of Islamic teachings?[/p][/quote]Regardless whether the author was arrested or not. It mentions that the information disclosed was as wished and according to a high rank Rabbi to in depth understanding of the Torah which would explain the actions of the Israelis against the Palestinains, and as instructed by God to save and protect the chosen race! For out to be wide in the open questions the evil intention not of the author but the race in general. Correct and authentic it is I fail to see any comments to dispute my post by the regulars who seem to target one religion in media related propaganda. Is it not that certain religions are orchestrating their belief behind a barrier, a shield, to hide their intended aims and agenda. Likewise your original post mentions one religion and not the other. Most would dispute the contents of your post, and not agree with the ISIS beliefs and dispute your contents as being misunderstood. It may well be quoted from the Quran but is to defend purpose only, by the oppressed and, rather than randomly. A Saudi cleric has condemned the actions of the ISIS, now lets see the Rabbis condemning the actions of the Israelis and correct our understanding of the Torah, sen c b l
  • Score: 1

5:17pm Thu 21 Aug 14

midas says...

I am not Anti-semitic, I am human. - says the Fair Word and then goes on to say "that no country trusts them" presumably meaning "The Jews"!!!

Hamas is an elected government with an armed division..... Palestinians do not have an army. - how does that work then?

Why was it that the UK government felt that they would give the Israeli's land belonging to another nation - but didn't it belong to the Jews before the various massacres and their eventual fleeing from Jerusalem? Didn't Moses lead them to the promised land etc? How far back do you want to go?

Israeli's openly calling for the death and destruction of all Arabs - the formal position of the Israeli government or someone who lives in Israel said? The Hamas view on Israels continuation is?

We already know that Hamas value the lives of their own less than the lives of Isralies (free 1000 Hamas prisoners for the release of 1 kidnapped Israli soldier?). Perhaps when Hamas values the lives of their children as much as the Isralis do then some progress may be made.
I am not Anti-semitic, I am human. - says the Fair Word and then goes on to say "that no country trusts them" presumably meaning "The Jews"!!! Hamas is an elected government with an armed division..... Palestinians do not have an army. - how does that work then? Why was it that the UK government felt that they would give the Israeli's land belonging to another nation - but didn't it belong to the Jews before the various massacres and their eventual fleeing from Jerusalem? Didn't Moses lead them to the promised land etc? How far back do you want to go? Israeli's openly calling for the death and destruction of all Arabs - the formal position of the Israeli government or someone who lives in Israel said? The Hamas view on Israels continuation is? We already know that Hamas value the lives of their own less than the lives of Isralies (free 1000 Hamas prisoners for the release of 1 kidnapped Israli soldier?). Perhaps when Hamas values the lives of their children as much as the Isralis do then some progress may be made. midas
  • Score: -4

6:53pm Thu 21 Aug 14

sen c b l says...

Moses indeed lead his people to victory 5000 years ago being oppressed and final destination Jeruslem. The crusaders evicted the Jews from the Holy Land only to be reinstated by Umar by which time many had settled west.
5000 years later mainland Europe consisted of many money chasing and finance regulating individuals exercising power, abandoning the Holy Land for favour of worldly deeds. Aaliyah was formed pre First World War encouraging the 'money men' back to Jeruslem settling on Palestinian land and erecting neighbourhoods for the returning offspring. Not that they had accepted to live in peace with the Arabs but had evidently established a separate district. The beginning of Israel.
Moses indeed lead his people to victory 5000 years ago being oppressed and final destination Jeruslem. The crusaders evicted the Jews from the Holy Land only to be reinstated by Umar by which time many had settled west. 5000 years later mainland Europe consisted of many money chasing and finance regulating individuals exercising power, abandoning the Holy Land for favour of worldly deeds. Aaliyah was formed pre First World War encouraging the 'money men' back to Jeruslem settling on Palestinian land and erecting neighbourhoods for the returning offspring. Not that they had accepted to live in peace with the Arabs but had evidently established a separate district. The beginning of Israel. sen c b l
  • Score: 1
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