East Lancs firefighters join national strike over pensions

East Lancs firefighters join national strike over pensions

East Lancs firefighters join national strike over pensions

First published in News

LANCASHIRE firefighters will join a wave of 16 short strikes over the next eight days as part of a national dispute with the government.

Members of the Fire Brigades Union walked out for two hours at noon today and again for an hour at 11pm.

Strikes will be held at the same times over the following seven days, the last on Saturday August 16.

Lancashire Fire and Rescue Service chief officer Chris Kenny promised there were contingency plans in place and enough firefighters prepared to work to protect the public in case of blazes.

He said:“This is a national dispute between the FBU and Government and is not a dispute between LFRS and our firefighters.

“We do have a significant number of staff who have given a commitment to maintain emergency cover and as a result the public can be reassured we plan to keep fire engines in Lancashire operational during the dispute period.

“We would urge the public to be vigilant and aware that for minor fires, there may be a longer wait for a fire engine.

“I ask the public to take extra care and access the website we have set up to offer advice at ’www.takeextracare.com’.

“The focus will be on providing the best service possible with the resources available. In the longer term the challenge will be bringing our workforce together after the dispute to re-establish the most professional service possible.

“Even at this late stage I sincerely hope that Government and FBU will soon arrive at a negotiated settlement and we have written to the Government to urge progress.”

Lancashire FBU secretary Steve Harman said: “This is a national dispute with the government, not with LFRS, about changes to our pensions.

“Firefighters will have to work longer and receive lower pensions. Asking us to work till 60 is not safe for firefighters or the public there are protecting.”

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3:39pm Sat 9 Aug 14

2 for 5p ridesagain says...

That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage.
You will be a part time service before you know it.

The gravy train will soon be drying up.
That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage. You will be a part time service before you know it. The gravy train will soon be drying up. 2 for 5p ridesagain
  • Score: -24

5:43pm Sat 9 Aug 14

The Seagull has landed says...

2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage.
You will be a part time service before you know it.

The gravy train will soon be drying up.
He's crawled back from out of the gutter after reaching new depths by ACTUALLY inferring that terminally Ill people are lazy and weak (see the charity "chugger" story for actual proof) to resume his other favourite pass time of berating the fire and rescue service.
A class act all round.
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage. You will be a part time service before you know it. The gravy train will soon be drying up.[/p][/quote]He's crawled back from out of the gutter after reaching new depths by ACTUALLY inferring that terminally Ill people are lazy and weak (see the charity "chugger" story for actual proof) to resume his other favourite pass time of berating the fire and rescue service. A class act all round. The Seagull has landed
  • Score: 12

5:56pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Rich Riley says...

The Seagull has landed wrote:
2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage.
You will be a part time service before you know it.

The gravy train will soon be drying up.
He's crawled back from out of the gutter after reaching new depths by ACTUALLY inferring that terminally Ill people are lazy and weak (see the charity "chugger" story for actual proof) to resume his other favourite pass time of berating the fire and rescue service.
A class act all round.
Community Officer Seagull is here! The fact they are not working and therefore not getting paid indicates that they are not needed full time.
[quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage. You will be a part time service before you know it. The gravy train will soon be drying up.[/p][/quote]He's crawled back from out of the gutter after reaching new depths by ACTUALLY inferring that terminally Ill people are lazy and weak (see the charity "chugger" story for actual proof) to resume his other favourite pass time of berating the fire and rescue service. A class act all round.[/p][/quote]Community Officer Seagull is here! The fact they are not working and therefore not getting paid indicates that they are not needed full time. Rich Riley
  • Score: -5

6:20pm Sat 9 Aug 14

The Seagull has landed says...

Rich Riley wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage.
You will be a part time service before you know it.

The gravy train will soon be drying up.
He's crawled back from out of the gutter after reaching new depths by ACTUALLY inferring that terminally Ill people are lazy and weak (see the charity "chugger" story for actual proof) to resume his other favourite pass time of berating the fire and rescue service.
A class act all round.
Community Officer Seagull is here! The fact they are not working and therefore not getting paid indicates that they are not needed full time.
Oh hello Richard.

Change is inevitable, this I accept. But like police officers, when firefighters signed up to join the service they signed up to amongst other things pension agreements. Their beef is two fold, change to working conditions and change to pensions. They are just going to have to accept the change in working conditions as are millions of others, including the Police but they have every right to be angry and want to take action over what effectively has been the miss selling of their pensions.
People didn't accept being miss sold PPI or when banks tried to rig mortgage rates so why should certain people accept the butchering of their pensions?
[quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage. You will be a part time service before you know it. The gravy train will soon be drying up.[/p][/quote]He's crawled back from out of the gutter after reaching new depths by ACTUALLY inferring that terminally Ill people are lazy and weak (see the charity "chugger" story for actual proof) to resume his other favourite pass time of berating the fire and rescue service. A class act all round.[/p][/quote]Community Officer Seagull is here! The fact they are not working and therefore not getting paid indicates that they are not needed full time.[/p][/quote]Oh hello Richard. Change is inevitable, this I accept. But like police officers, when firefighters signed up to join the service they signed up to amongst other things pension agreements. Their beef is two fold, change to working conditions and change to pensions. They are just going to have to accept the change in working conditions as are millions of others, including the Police but they have every right to be angry and want to take action over what effectively has been the miss selling of their pensions. People didn't accept being miss sold PPI or when banks tried to rig mortgage rates so why should certain people accept the butchering of their pensions? The Seagull has landed
  • Score: 15

6:51pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage.
You will be a part time service before you know it.

The gravy train will soon be drying up.
BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.............GOO
N alert!
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage. You will be a part time service before you know it. The gravy train will soon be drying up.[/p][/quote]BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.............GOO N alert! Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: 5

7:56pm Sat 9 Aug 14

2 for 5p ridesagain says...

Oldmanofthemountains wrote:
2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage.
You will be a part time service before you know it.

The gravy train will soon be drying up.
BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.............GOO

N alert!
Have you not got any memorials to visit tonight. Smallmindedoldmanoft
he mountain.
[quote][p][bold]Oldmanofthemountains[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage. You will be a part time service before you know it. The gravy train will soon be drying up.[/p][/quote]BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.............GOO N alert![/p][/quote]Have you not got any memorials to visit tonight. Smallmindedoldmanoft he mountain. 2 for 5p ridesagain
  • Score: -7

8:53pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Rich Riley says...

The Seagull has landed wrote:
Rich Riley wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage.
You will be a part time service before you know it.

The gravy train will soon be drying up.
He's crawled back from out of the gutter after reaching new depths by ACTUALLY inferring that terminally Ill people are lazy and weak (see the charity "chugger" story for actual proof) to resume his other favourite pass time of berating the fire and rescue service.
A class act all round.
Community Officer Seagull is here! The fact they are not working and therefore not getting paid indicates that they are not needed full time.
Oh hello Richard.

Change is inevitable, this I accept. But like police officers, when firefighters signed up to join the service they signed up to amongst other things pension agreements. Their beef is two fold, change to working conditions and change to pensions. They are just going to have to accept the change in working conditions as are millions of others, including the Police but they have every right to be angry and want to take action over what effectively has been the miss selling of their pensions.
People didn't accept being miss sold PPI or when banks tried to rig mortgage rates so why should certain people accept the butchering of their pensions?
So let's leave the pension as it is and when the money runs out what happens then? They all stand around scratching their heads questioning how that happened. The goal posts may have moved but rather they implement the changes now instead of having thousands of retired firefighters with no pension at all.
[quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage. You will be a part time service before you know it. The gravy train will soon be drying up.[/p][/quote]He's crawled back from out of the gutter after reaching new depths by ACTUALLY inferring that terminally Ill people are lazy and weak (see the charity "chugger" story for actual proof) to resume his other favourite pass time of berating the fire and rescue service. A class act all round.[/p][/quote]Community Officer Seagull is here! The fact they are not working and therefore not getting paid indicates that they are not needed full time.[/p][/quote]Oh hello Richard. Change is inevitable, this I accept. But like police officers, when firefighters signed up to join the service they signed up to amongst other things pension agreements. Their beef is two fold, change to working conditions and change to pensions. They are just going to have to accept the change in working conditions as are millions of others, including the Police but they have every right to be angry and want to take action over what effectively has been the miss selling of their pensions. People didn't accept being miss sold PPI or when banks tried to rig mortgage rates so why should certain people accept the butchering of their pensions?[/p][/quote]So let's leave the pension as it is and when the money runs out what happens then? They all stand around scratching their heads questioning how that happened. The goal posts may have moved but rather they implement the changes now instead of having thousands of retired firefighters with no pension at all. Rich Riley
  • Score: -7

9:20pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Grumpy_Northener says...

Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time.
Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified.
Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money.
Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.
Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time. Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified. Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money. Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken. Grumpy_Northener
  • Score: 12

9:24pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Grumpy_Northener says...

And as far as the contingency crews are concerned, their performance at incidents during the strikes has been calamitous at best, dangerous at worst.
Don't be fooled into thinking that full-time firefighters are not needed. Please make the same comments after you have had to be rescued at 3am or when a fire crew comes to try and save your property from flooding or fire.
If you are not qualified to comment then don't bother.
And as far as the contingency crews are concerned, their performance at incidents during the strikes has been calamitous at best, dangerous at worst. Don't be fooled into thinking that full-time firefighters are not needed. Please make the same comments after you have had to be rescued at 3am or when a fire crew comes to try and save your property from flooding or fire. If you are not qualified to comment then don't bother. Grumpy_Northener
  • Score: 5

9:45pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Rich Riley says...

Grumpy_Northener wrote:
Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time.
Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified.
Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money.
Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.
If a quarter of their week every week is spent training then there is something seriously wrong. Tell me this then, why is it that over the last decade reported incidents have declined, 999 calls have declined, yet fire service numbers have stayed the same. These figures are easily available to view on the web if you dispute them. There is no need for a full time fire service and they are proving it by walking out frequently yet nothing happens. And yes if I needed rescuing at 3am then is expect the fire service to turn up but I wouldn't expect them to sit around waiting for it to happen!
[quote][p][bold]Grumpy_Northener[/bold] wrote: Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time. Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified. Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money. Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.[/p][/quote]If a quarter of their week every week is spent training then there is something seriously wrong. Tell me this then, why is it that over the last decade reported incidents have declined, 999 calls have declined, yet fire service numbers have stayed the same. These figures are easily available to view on the web if you dispute them. There is no need for a full time fire service and they are proving it by walking out frequently yet nothing happens. And yes if I needed rescuing at 3am then is expect the fire service to turn up but I wouldn't expect them to sit around waiting for it to happen! Rich Riley
  • Score: 3

9:50pm Sat 9 Aug 14

2 for 5p ridesagain says...

Grumpy_Northener wrote:
Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time.
Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified.
Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money.
Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.
Oh really. Well over the last 12 years the fire brigade has been on strike numerous times. Every time the country has got by fine without them and we will again for this next round of cuts.

You lot really are the biggest foolish and greediest bunch of people.

Good salary, good pension, good shift system(part time jobs on side),good pension and lots of snooker, table tennis darts and sleeping whilst getting paid, and your getting paid for it.
There's a story with a moral to it about a man who had everything and wanted more, he ended up with nothing. Take note
[quote][p][bold]Grumpy_Northener[/bold] wrote: Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time. Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified. Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money. Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.[/p][/quote]Oh really. Well over the last 12 years the fire brigade has been on strike numerous times. Every time the country has got by fine without them and we will again for this next round of cuts. You lot really are the biggest foolish and greediest bunch of people. Good salary, good pension, good shift system(part time jobs on side),good pension and lots of snooker, table tennis darts and sleeping whilst getting paid, and your getting paid for it. There's a story with a moral to it about a man who had everything and wanted more, he ended up with nothing. Take note 2 for 5p ridesagain
  • Score: -1

10:34pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Grumpy_Northener says...

Rich Riley wrote:
Grumpy_Northener wrote:
Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time.
Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified.
Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money.
Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.
If a quarter of their week every week is spent training then there is something seriously wrong. Tell me this then, why is it that over the last decade reported incidents have declined, 999 calls have declined, yet fire service numbers have stayed the same. These figures are easily available to view on the web if you dispute them. There is no need for a full time fire service and they are proving it by walking out frequently yet nothing happens. And yes if I needed rescuing at 3am then is expect the fire service to turn up but I wouldn't expect them to sit around waiting for it to happen!
Simple answer, no matter how many fires you have you still need the same amount of firefighters and appliances at an incident. If you have one house fire in a week you still need at least 2 appliances at that fire, with a minimum of 5 firefighters on the first appliance, if you have ten house fires you need the same at each.
Why is there something wrong with spending a quarter of the working week training when there is an incredible amount of training required?
Plenty of armchair firefighters around at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpy_Northener[/bold] wrote: Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time. Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified. Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money. Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.[/p][/quote]If a quarter of their week every week is spent training then there is something seriously wrong. Tell me this then, why is it that over the last decade reported incidents have declined, 999 calls have declined, yet fire service numbers have stayed the same. These figures are easily available to view on the web if you dispute them. There is no need for a full time fire service and they are proving it by walking out frequently yet nothing happens. And yes if I needed rescuing at 3am then is expect the fire service to turn up but I wouldn't expect them to sit around waiting for it to happen![/p][/quote]Simple answer, no matter how many fires you have you still need the same amount of firefighters and appliances at an incident. If you have one house fire in a week you still need at least 2 appliances at that fire, with a minimum of 5 firefighters on the first appliance, if you have ten house fires you need the same at each. Why is there something wrong with spending a quarter of the working week training when there is an incredible amount of training required? Plenty of armchair firefighters around at the moment. Grumpy_Northener
  • Score: 2

10:42pm Sat 9 Aug 14

jenkinsroy says...

ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THIS SUBJECT IS
I HOPE EVERY ONE OF YOU HAVE A GOOD INSURANCE
COVER? FOR YOUR HOME AND GOOD LIFE COVER
BECAUSE IF THE FIREMEN AND FIRE WOMEN.
ALL LEAVE THERE JOBS WHICH
COULD HAPPEN YOUR INSURANCE PAYMENT WILL GO
UP IN PRICE IF YOU CAN GET A FIRM TO INSURE YOU AT ALL
WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE COVER THE FIRE SERVICE CANNOT
SUPPLY DO TO NO STAFF YOU ALL WILL BE IN THE SAME BOAT
HOUSE BURNT DOWN NOTHING LEFT WHAT DO YOU DO
BLAME THE FIRE SERVICE OF COURSE? OR THE GOVERNMENT
WHO STARTED THE ALL THING OFF.?
SO I SUGGEST YOU ALL GET YOUR POLICIES UP TO DATE O.K.
ONE MORE THING YOU COULD ALL TRY P****** ON THE FLAMES
WHEN YOU’RE HOME GOES UP IN FLAMES.
REMEMBER THIS THEY DIE TO PROTECT YOUR LIFE AND YOUR
HOMES SO LETS TREAT THEM RIGHT.
P.S. YOU COULD GIVE THE PRIM MINISTER A RING AND ASK HIM
TO PUT THE FIRE OUT?
SO I HOPE YOU ALL THINK LONG AND HARD
WHEN YOU GO TO BED AT NIGHT BY THIS I MEAN IF YOUR
HOME CACHES FIRE AND YOU RING 999 WILL THERE BE A
FIRE MAN OR LADY COMING TO PUT IT OUT YOU WILL NOT
KNOW TILL IT IS TOO LATE?
SLEEP WELL ALL YOU HARD WORKING FIRE MEN AND LADY'S
AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PENSION AND PAY FIGHT WITH
THIS GOVERNMENT WHO DO NOT GIVE A DAME ABOUT YOU ALL
ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THIS SUBJECT IS I HOPE EVERY ONE OF YOU HAVE A GOOD INSURANCE COVER? FOR YOUR HOME AND GOOD LIFE COVER BECAUSE IF THE FIREMEN AND FIRE WOMEN. ALL LEAVE THERE JOBS WHICH COULD HAPPEN YOUR INSURANCE PAYMENT WILL GO UP IN PRICE IF YOU CAN GET A FIRM TO INSURE YOU AT ALL WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE COVER THE FIRE SERVICE CANNOT SUPPLY DO TO NO STAFF YOU ALL WILL BE IN THE SAME BOAT HOUSE BURNT DOWN NOTHING LEFT WHAT DO YOU DO BLAME THE FIRE SERVICE OF COURSE? OR THE GOVERNMENT WHO STARTED THE ALL THING OFF.? SO I SUGGEST YOU ALL GET YOUR POLICIES UP TO DATE O.K. ONE MORE THING YOU COULD ALL TRY P****** ON THE FLAMES WHEN YOU’RE HOME GOES UP IN FLAMES. REMEMBER THIS THEY DIE TO PROTECT YOUR LIFE AND YOUR HOMES SO LETS TREAT THEM RIGHT. P.S. YOU COULD GIVE THE PRIM MINISTER A RING AND ASK HIM TO PUT THE FIRE OUT? SO I HOPE YOU ALL THINK LONG AND HARD WHEN YOU GO TO BED AT NIGHT BY THIS I MEAN IF YOUR HOME CACHES FIRE AND YOU RING 999 WILL THERE BE A FIRE MAN OR LADY COMING TO PUT IT OUT YOU WILL NOT KNOW TILL IT IS TOO LATE? SLEEP WELL ALL YOU HARD WORKING FIRE MEN AND LADY'S AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PENSION AND PAY FIGHT WITH THIS GOVERNMENT WHO DO NOT GIVE A DAME ABOUT YOU ALL jenkinsroy
  • Score: 5

10:53pm Sat 9 Aug 14

peely says...

No sympathy whatsoever for them - don,t realise how lucky they are - welcome to the real world ! Must be terrible having to retire in your fifties with a fantastic lump sum and a gold plated pension !
No sympathy whatsoever for them - don,t realise how lucky they are - welcome to the real world ! Must be terrible having to retire in your fifties with a fantastic lump sum and a gold plated pension ! peely
  • Score: -6

10:56pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
Oldmanofthemountains wrote:
2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage.
You will be a part time service before you know it.

The gravy train will soon be drying up.
BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.............GOO


N alert!
Have you not got any memorials to visit tonight. Smallmindedoldmanoft

he mountain.
Don't recall saying I'd visited ANY; after all YOU'RE the one with the seemingly pathological obession
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldmanofthemountains[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage. You will be a part time service before you know it. The gravy train will soon be drying up.[/p][/quote]BEEP, BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.............GOO N alert![/p][/quote]Have you not got any memorials to visit tonight. Smallmindedoldmanoft he mountain.[/p][/quote]Don't recall saying I'd visited ANY; after all YOU'RE the one with the seemingly pathological obession Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: 2

11:29pm Sat 9 Aug 14

The Seagull has landed says...

Rich Riley wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
Rich Riley wrote:
The Seagull has landed wrote:
2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage.
You will be a part time service before you know it.

The gravy train will soon be drying up.
He's crawled back from out of the gutter after reaching new depths by ACTUALLY inferring that terminally Ill people are lazy and weak (see the charity "chugger" story for actual proof) to resume his other favourite pass time of berating the fire and rescue service.
A class act all round.
Community Officer Seagull is here! The fact they are not working and therefore not getting paid indicates that they are not needed full time.
Oh hello Richard.

Change is inevitable, this I accept. But like police officers, when firefighters signed up to join the service they signed up to amongst other things pension agreements. Their beef is two fold, change to working conditions and change to pensions. They are just going to have to accept the change in working conditions as are millions of others, including the Police but they have every right to be angry and want to take action over what effectively has been the miss selling of their pensions.
People didn't accept being miss sold PPI or when banks tried to rig mortgage rates so why should certain people accept the butchering of their pensions?
So let's leave the pension as it is and when the money runs out what happens then? They all stand around scratching their heads questioning how that happened. The goal posts may have moved but rather they implement the changes now instead of having thousands of retired firefighters with no pension at all.
I don't agree with you there Richard. The government in my opinion lie through there teeth to create a platform for moving money to other pensions that they feel are more worthy.
I'm not buying into this "the money will run out" b0llocks.
[quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Seagull has landed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: That's it lads keep it up. You keep proving to us all that we can manage with you proving reduced coverage. You will be a part time service before you know it. The gravy train will soon be drying up.[/p][/quote]He's crawled back from out of the gutter after reaching new depths by ACTUALLY inferring that terminally Ill people are lazy and weak (see the charity "chugger" story for actual proof) to resume his other favourite pass time of berating the fire and rescue service. A class act all round.[/p][/quote]Community Officer Seagull is here! The fact they are not working and therefore not getting paid indicates that they are not needed full time.[/p][/quote]Oh hello Richard. Change is inevitable, this I accept. But like police officers, when firefighters signed up to join the service they signed up to amongst other things pension agreements. Their beef is two fold, change to working conditions and change to pensions. They are just going to have to accept the change in working conditions as are millions of others, including the Police but they have every right to be angry and want to take action over what effectively has been the miss selling of their pensions. People didn't accept being miss sold PPI or when banks tried to rig mortgage rates so why should certain people accept the butchering of their pensions?[/p][/quote]So let's leave the pension as it is and when the money runs out what happens then? They all stand around scratching their heads questioning how that happened. The goal posts may have moved but rather they implement the changes now instead of having thousands of retired firefighters with no pension at all.[/p][/quote]I don't agree with you there Richard. The government in my opinion lie through there teeth to create a platform for moving money to other pensions that they feel are more worthy. I'm not buying into this "the money will run out" b0llocks. The Seagull has landed
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11:32pm Sat 9 Aug 14

The Seagull has landed says...

peely wrote:
No sympathy whatsoever for them - don,t realise how lucky they are - welcome to the real world ! Must be terrible having to retire in your fifties with a fantastic lump sum and a gold plated pension !
Another jealous individual probably applied and failed on numerous occasions.
Do you actually know what you're talking about? No? I didn't think so
[quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: No sympathy whatsoever for them - don,t realise how lucky they are - welcome to the real world ! Must be terrible having to retire in your fifties with a fantastic lump sum and a gold plated pension ![/p][/quote]Another jealous individual probably applied and failed on numerous occasions. Do you actually know what you're talking about? No? I didn't think so The Seagull has landed
  • Score: 2

7:47am Sun 10 Aug 14

The Seagull has landed says...

2 for 5p ridesagain wrote:
Grumpy_Northener wrote:
Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time.
Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified.
Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money.
Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.
Oh really. Well over the last 12 years the fire brigade has been on strike numerous times. Every time the country has got by fine without them and we will again for this next round of cuts.

You lot really are the biggest foolish and greediest bunch of people.

Good salary, good pension, good shift system(part time jobs on side),good pension and lots of snooker, table tennis darts and sleeping whilst getting paid, and your getting paid for it.
There's a story with a moral to it about a man who had everything and wanted more, he ended up with nothing. Take note
Ha ha ha Hahahahahaha, he's talking about morals..........oh if only he could see the irony!!!!
[quote][p][bold]2 for 5p ridesagain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpy_Northener[/bold] wrote: Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time. Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified. Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money. Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.[/p][/quote]Oh really. Well over the last 12 years the fire brigade has been on strike numerous times. Every time the country has got by fine without them and we will again for this next round of cuts. You lot really are the biggest foolish and greediest bunch of people. Good salary, good pension, good shift system(part time jobs on side),good pension and lots of snooker, table tennis darts and sleeping whilst getting paid, and your getting paid for it. There's a story with a moral to it about a man who had everything and wanted more, he ended up with nothing. Take note[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha Hahahahahaha, he's talking about morals..........oh if only he could see the irony!!!! The Seagull has landed
  • Score: 3

7:48am Sun 10 Aug 14

The Seagull has landed says...

Grumpy_Northener wrote:
Rich Riley wrote:
Grumpy_Northener wrote:
Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time.
Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified.
Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money.
Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.
If a quarter of their week every week is spent training then there is something seriously wrong. Tell me this then, why is it that over the last decade reported incidents have declined, 999 calls have declined, yet fire service numbers have stayed the same. These figures are easily available to view on the web if you dispute them. There is no need for a full time fire service and they are proving it by walking out frequently yet nothing happens. And yes if I needed rescuing at 3am then is expect the fire service to turn up but I wouldn't expect them to sit around waiting for it to happen!
Simple answer, no matter how many fires you have you still need the same amount of firefighters and appliances at an incident. If you have one house fire in a week you still need at least 2 appliances at that fire, with a minimum of 5 firefighters on the first appliance, if you have ten house fires you need the same at each.
Why is there something wrong with spending a quarter of the working week training when there is an incredible amount of training required?
Plenty of armchair firefighters around at the moment.
Plenty of jealous wannabe firefighters more like.
[quote][p][bold]Grumpy_Northener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpy_Northener[/bold] wrote: Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time. Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified. Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money. Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.[/p][/quote]If a quarter of their week every week is spent training then there is something seriously wrong. Tell me this then, why is it that over the last decade reported incidents have declined, 999 calls have declined, yet fire service numbers have stayed the same. These figures are easily available to view on the web if you dispute them. There is no need for a full time fire service and they are proving it by walking out frequently yet nothing happens. And yes if I needed rescuing at 3am then is expect the fire service to turn up but I wouldn't expect them to sit around waiting for it to happen![/p][/quote]Simple answer, no matter how many fires you have you still need the same amount of firefighters and appliances at an incident. If you have one house fire in a week you still need at least 2 appliances at that fire, with a minimum of 5 firefighters on the first appliance, if you have ten house fires you need the same at each. Why is there something wrong with spending a quarter of the working week training when there is an incredible amount of training required? Plenty of armchair firefighters around at the moment.[/p][/quote]Plenty of jealous wannabe firefighters more like. The Seagull has landed
  • Score: 2

7:33pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Graham Hartley says...

I was entirely happy to sound the car horn to show support as I passed a group of officers standing in front of the Hyndburn Road fire station today. Myself in receipt of an occupational pension, I must stand with those whose occupational pension terms are being changed by this government. Such moves show us how urgent is the need for 'reform' in the face of fiscal troubles, the plans of past governments now so easily shown to be faulted in one way or another. The need is apparently so pressing, yet the combined ingenuity of all responsible (and once respected) authorities leads us to 'inevitable' cuts, even at the risk of alienating voters. Is there a better way ahead or just another day?
I was entirely happy to sound the car horn to show support as I passed a group of officers standing in front of the Hyndburn Road fire station today. Myself in receipt of an occupational pension, I must stand with those whose occupational pension terms are being changed by this government. Such moves show us how urgent is the need for 'reform' in the face of fiscal troubles, the plans of past governments now so easily shown to be faulted in one way or another. The need is apparently so pressing, yet the combined ingenuity of all responsible (and once respected) authorities leads us to 'inevitable' cuts, even at the risk of alienating voters. Is there a better way ahead or just another day? Graham Hartley
  • Score: 1

10:04am Mon 11 Aug 14

mardybum79 says...

peely wrote:
No sympathy whatsoever for them - don,t realise how lucky they are - welcome to the real world ! Must be terrible having to retire in your fifties with a fantastic lump sum and a gold plated pension !
Gold plated indeed. Not gold at all. Just a cheap version of the real thing. Solidarity comrades. Soon there will be no public services left after the government has finished dismantling it all.
[quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: No sympathy whatsoever for them - don,t realise how lucky they are - welcome to the real world ! Must be terrible having to retire in your fifties with a fantastic lump sum and a gold plated pension ![/p][/quote]Gold plated indeed. Not gold at all. Just a cheap version of the real thing. Solidarity comrades. Soon there will be no public services left after the government has finished dismantling it all. mardybum79
  • Score: 1

11:40am Mon 11 Aug 14

sniper16 says...

Graham Hartley wrote:
I was entirely happy to sound the car horn to show support as I passed a group of officers standing in front of the Hyndburn Road fire station today. Myself in receipt of an occupational pension, I must stand with those whose occupational pension terms are being changed by this government. Such moves show us how urgent is the need for 'reform' in the face of fiscal troubles, the plans of past governments now so easily shown to be faulted in one way or another. The need is apparently so pressing, yet the combined ingenuity of all responsible (and once respected) authorities leads us to 'inevitable' cuts, even at the risk of alienating voters. Is there a better way ahead or just another day?
Time to educate nearest and dearest then.
[quote][p][bold]Graham Hartley[/bold] wrote: I was entirely happy to sound the car horn to show support as I passed a group of officers standing in front of the Hyndburn Road fire station today. Myself in receipt of an occupational pension, I must stand with those whose occupational pension terms are being changed by this government. Such moves show us how urgent is the need for 'reform' in the face of fiscal troubles, the plans of past governments now so easily shown to be faulted in one way or another. The need is apparently so pressing, yet the combined ingenuity of all responsible (and once respected) authorities leads us to 'inevitable' cuts, even at the risk of alienating voters. Is there a better way ahead or just another day?[/p][/quote]Time to educate nearest and dearest then. sniper16
  • Score: 1

9:51am Fri 15 Aug 14

Read all about it ..... says...

Rich Riley wrote:
Grumpy_Northener wrote:
Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time.
Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified.
Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money.
Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.
If a quarter of their week every week is spent training then there is something seriously wrong. Tell me this then, why is it that over the last decade reported incidents have declined, 999 calls have declined, yet fire service numbers have stayed the same. These figures are easily available to view on the web if you dispute them. There is no need for a full time fire service and they are proving it by walking out frequently yet nothing happens. And yes if I needed rescuing at 3am then is expect the fire service to turn up but I wouldn't expect them to sit around waiting for it to happen!
Just to dispute your Firefighter figures when you quote "fire service numbers have stayed the same". As a serving Firefighter I joined Greater Manchester in 2001 with 2200 front line operational Firefighters. That figure is currently down to 1184 nearly a 50% reduction in front line operational staff. You obviously only read the figures you want to.
I suggest you check your full facts before stating inaccuracies.
[quote][p][bold]Rich Riley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpy_Northener[/bold] wrote: Let me educate you on a few things. Firstly a part-time firefighter has 3 hours a week to train, included in that time is admin and kit inspections. On average a full-time firefighter trains for 12 hours per week, that is purely training time. Part-time firefighters do 2 weeks basic training, followed by 2 weeks breathing apparatus training, A full-time firefighter has to pass a 13 week basic training course, followed by a 2 year probationary period in which they must gain further qualifications in order to become fully qualified. Then there are the specialist skills such as swift water rescue, animal rescue, and technical rescues. Part-time firefighters do not have the time for this training, and some service no longer train part-time firefighters in specialist areas to save money. Part-time firefighters do a good job, but in reality there is a significant gap in skill levels and knowledge. Anyone who thinks that we could cope without a full-time fire service is seriously mistaken.[/p][/quote]If a quarter of their week every week is spent training then there is something seriously wrong. Tell me this then, why is it that over the last decade reported incidents have declined, 999 calls have declined, yet fire service numbers have stayed the same. These figures are easily available to view on the web if you dispute them. There is no need for a full time fire service and they are proving it by walking out frequently yet nothing happens. And yes if I needed rescuing at 3am then is expect the fire service to turn up but I wouldn't expect them to sit around waiting for it to happen![/p][/quote]Just to dispute your Firefighter figures when you quote "fire service numbers have stayed the same". As a serving Firefighter I joined Greater Manchester in 2001 with 2200 front line operational Firefighters. That figure is currently down to 1184 nearly a 50% reduction in front line operational staff. You obviously only read the figures you want to. I suggest you check your full facts before stating inaccuracies. Read all about it .....
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