REVEALED: Blackburn's new Cathedral Quarter development

REVEALED: Blackburn's new Cathedral Quarter development

Images of how the retail units in the Cathedral Quarter will look

REVEALED: Blackburn's new Cathedral Quarter development

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BLACKBURN’S new Cathedral Quarter development will include a Covent Garden-style ‘festival square’, the Lancashire Telegraph can reveal.

As a comprehensive set of new images of how the £33million development will look is revealed, bosses behind the scheme have said the ‘piazza’ in the new public gardens has been added as an area to host fun events.

These include a Christmas market and ice-rink, outdoor theatre, classical and pop concerts, circus performances and fun-fairs.

The festival square proposal adds sparkle to the office, hotel, restaurant and church buildings complex to transform the town’s heart with a mix of old and new.

The new images paint the first detailed picture of the 21st-century town centre about to rise from the building sites around the cathedral and old market.

To accompany the computer-generated preview of the complex, Canon Andrew Hindley and borough regeneration boss Coun Maureen Bateson announced the inclusion of the new square, partly modeled on London’s Covent Garden.

Canon Hindley promised it would provide a place for enjoyment while Blackburn MP Jack Straw praised the ‘element of fun and sparkle’ it would bring to the development. Traders warmly endorsed the extra attraction.

With the foundations near completion, later this month actual construction begins on the Quarter and its centrepiece, the first Clergy Court and Cloister Garden for almost 600 years in England, which will provide an oasis of peace in the midst of a new business and tourist quarter.

With the cathedral placed on a par with its more famous medieval counterparts, it will be surrounded by two office blocks and Blackburn’s first full-scale town centre hotel for generations, complete with a 3,500 square foot restaurant on the ground floor.

They will be served by a new £5million bus station on the old market site and refurbished rail gateway with a new public transport interchange outside the train hub linking the two.

Hopes are high a flagship retailer will take the top half of the old market site, creating a high-quality shopping complex leading down to The Mall.

Piling and foundation work for the first three new buildings are almost complete.

Early next month the steel skeleton of the 60-bed Premier Inn, Clergy Court and initial 32,000 square foot office block with coffee bar/bistro and retail unit suitable for a newsagents or delicatessen will visibly rise from the cleared site.

Detailed brochures are about go to several interested parties.

Work on a new taxi rank by the rail station, paving its frontage and Railway Road with granite flags, widening the pavements and rerouting the highway for the interchange is scheduled to finish by the end of September.

By then, the £635,000 upgrade of the railway station, announced today by Northern Rail, will be under way with a Christmas completion date ready for the bus station in Ainsworth Street to open early next year.

The two to four-storey Clergy Court, projecting 30 metres from the cathedral to Dandy Walk, will provide offices, a library, apartments, a public ‘refectory’ restaurant and the first Cloister Garden at an English cathedral since 1541.

Coun Bateson said: “This is part of a strategy to bring new life, entertainment and enjoyment to the town centre. It will attract visitors, create jobs and bring benefits to existing shops and businesses while encouraging news ones to come here.”

Canon Hindley said: “We are very excited that this development, years in the making, will be starting to rise from the building site. There will be a Covent Garden-style ‘piazza’ – a festival square for people to come and enjoy themselves.

“The Clergy Court and Cloister Garden will be a fragrant oasis of peace with flowers, shrubs and trees not just for priests but the public looking for a place of tranquillity and reflection.”

Blackburn MP Jack Straw said: “It is great news for the town that the Cathedral Quarter is going to rise before residents’ eyes. The new festival square will provide an element of fun and sparkle to the development to reward the people of Blackburn for the disruption caused by the building work.”

Mayor of Blackburn with Darwen Alan Cottam said: “It is very exciting. The Cathedral Quarter and other major developments I was involved in as coalition regeneration boss from 2008 and 2010 will actually start going up while I am the borough’s first citizen.”

Jewellery store boss Phil Ainsworth said the new development would make Blackburn a town be reckoned with in Lancashire.’ And chamber of trade president Tony Duckworth said it would make the town ‘a destination’.

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8:06am Thu 7 Aug 14

A Darener says...

Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.
Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out. A Darener
  • Score: 100

8:24am Thu 7 Aug 14

Reasons says...

And chamber of trade president Tony Duckworth said it would make the town ‘a destination’. - A destination with no interlinking transport facilities so a destination to avoid !!!
And chamber of trade president Tony Duckworth said it would make the town ‘a destination’. - A destination with no interlinking transport facilities so a destination to avoid !!! Reasons
  • Score: 111

8:37am Thu 7 Aug 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

See I don't know, the Rock in Bury was met with the same sort of scepticism and that is brilliant. This is as good as a carbon copy of the Rock other than the bus/trains being closer than in Bury.
See I don't know, the Rock in Bury was met with the same sort of scepticism and that is brilliant. This is as good as a carbon copy of the Rock other than the bus/trains being closer than in Bury. HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 118

9:47am Thu 7 Aug 14

EyUpLad says...

Why can't people just try and be positive for once about our town, this sounds really good.
Why can't people just try and be positive for once about our town, this sounds really good. EyUpLad
  • Score: -42

9:53am Thu 7 Aug 14

shytalk says...

What a lovely,peaceful place it will be to smoke dope and enjoy industrial strength cider and lager.
What a lovely,peaceful place it will be to smoke dope and enjoy industrial strength cider and lager. shytalk
  • Score: 92

10:31am Thu 7 Aug 14

shirtbox says...

Covent garden,oasis of peace,festival square,cloister square,element of fun and sparkle,transport interchange,new taxi rank,hotel,shops,apa
rtments, all sounds great,like a town within a town,sounds like a new destination,can,t wait to visit this new dreamworld.
Covent garden,oasis of peace,festival square,cloister square,element of fun and sparkle,transport interchange,new taxi rank,hotel,shops,apa rtments, all sounds great,like a town within a town,sounds like a new destination,can,t wait to visit this new dreamworld. shirtbox
  • Score: 86

10:31am Thu 7 Aug 14

woolywords says...

With no visible taxi rank nor adverts on the bus shelters, you can't help feeling for those that arrive by bus after 9 in the evening into Blackburn, as they will face a long and lonely walk to the railway station.
Depending upon their route, they will be faced with rows of closed down or closed shops and businesses, to face the walk along Railway Road in what could be easily mistaken for the dead of night, even on a weekend.
Looking up Church St to what is supposed to be cafe culture area, it's deserted, as is Salford, with only the distant siren of an ambulance, somewhere, to break the stillness of the night.
This isn't some portent of the future I'm writing here but my experience of walking from the bus station to the railway station within the last week. Not a soul to be seen, with only an handful of cars passing me, as I came to the Police office on the Boulevard, which closed at 8!
Through the tunnel under the railway station, out onto the deserted taxi rank in the car park. Not until you get near the front of Vue cinema do you catch your first glimpse of anyone on foot.
And we're supposed to believe that this area is going to be a vibrant hub of the town centre? Obviously a delusion, written by someone whom has never done that walk...
With no visible taxi rank nor adverts on the bus shelters, you can't help feeling for those that arrive by bus after 9 in the evening into Blackburn, as they will face a long and lonely walk to the railway station. Depending upon their route, they will be faced with rows of closed down or closed shops and businesses, to face the walk along Railway Road in what could be easily mistaken for the dead of night, even on a weekend. Looking up Church St to what is supposed to be cafe culture area, it's deserted, as is Salford, with only the distant siren of an ambulance, somewhere, to break the stillness of the night. This isn't some portent of the future I'm writing here but my experience of walking from the bus station to the railway station within the last week. Not a soul to be seen, with only an handful of cars passing me, as I came to the Police office on the Boulevard, which closed at 8! Through the tunnel under the railway station, out onto the deserted taxi rank in the car park. Not until you get near the front of Vue cinema do you catch your first glimpse of anyone on foot. And we're supposed to believe that this area is going to be a vibrant hub of the town centre? Obviously a delusion, written by someone whom has never done that walk... woolywords
  • Score: 96

10:32am Thu 7 Aug 14

Positive_Is_Compulsory says...

Wish people on here would open their minds instead of their big mouths, people should be positive about this development and this is something the town has longed for , good things happen to those get up and work hard, not moaning all day on the LT comments.

And as for the negativity about the bus station relocation their will be an interchange outside the railway station, besides the new bus station will only be a couple minutes walk away, hardly a trek compared to Prestons.
Wish people on here would open their minds instead of their big mouths, people should be positive about this development and this is something the town has longed for , good things happen to those get up and work hard, not moaning all day on the LT comments. And as for the negativity about the bus station relocation their will be an interchange outside the railway station, besides the new bus station will only be a couple minutes walk away, hardly a trek compared to Prestons. Positive_Is_Compulsory
  • Score: -69

10:35am Thu 7 Aug 14

woolywords says...

shytalk wrote:
What a lovely,peaceful place it will be to smoke dope and enjoy industrial strength cider and lager.
You should write advertising slogans..
'Industrial strength cider'...
drink quick, before it rots the tin.
Made my day!
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: What a lovely,peaceful place it will be to smoke dope and enjoy industrial strength cider and lager.[/p][/quote]You should write advertising slogans.. 'Industrial strength cider'... drink quick, before it rots the tin. Made my day! woolywords
  • Score: 84

10:58am Thu 7 Aug 14

woolywords says...

@Positive is compulsory,
Your comment, 'there will be an interchange outside the railway station', gives a rather grandiose description to a couple of bus stops, I'm afraid.
The plan is that, as traffic makes the turn from Railway Rd into Jubilee St, Southbound traffic will be split into two lanes, with the centre lane being reserved for buses. This means that passengers will alight onto a traffic island, with them facing the prospect of forcing their way through passengers whom will be trying to board. Due to the width of this island, which is only a couple of feet wider than the bus shelter, this could be fun for them.
This will be the reality of your, 'interchange outside the railway station'!
@Positive is compulsory, Your comment, 'there will be an interchange outside the railway station', gives a rather grandiose description to a couple of bus stops, I'm afraid. The plan is that, as traffic makes the turn from Railway Rd into Jubilee St, Southbound traffic will be split into two lanes, with the centre lane being reserved for buses. This means that passengers will alight onto a traffic island, with them facing the prospect of forcing their way through passengers whom will be trying to board. Due to the width of this island, which is only a couple of feet wider than the bus shelter, this could be fun for them. This will be the reality of your, 'interchange outside the railway station'! woolywords
  • Score: 72

11:35am Thu 7 Aug 14

pete08 says...

Why is everyone banging on about the long and lonely walk from bus station to railway and no interlinking transport. Have you never been to Preston or Manchester? There is a good ten minute walk between the two.
Why is everyone banging on about the long and lonely walk from bus station to railway and no interlinking transport. Have you never been to Preston or Manchester? There is a good ten minute walk between the two. pete08
  • Score: -41

11:39am Thu 7 Aug 14

richard says...

Once it's all done it really needs a blitz by the police and PCSOs to constantly move on or arrest all the beggars and crackheads who hang round the bus and train stations and the cathedral grounds. They really do have an actual impact on where people choose to go and in which direction, not just the elderly or women with kids but everyone who doesn't want the hassle and abuse from these people. They could put the nicest cafe in the world there but if you have to get past three bagheads asking for 60p just to get there, people will just stay in the Mall.
Once it's all done it really needs a blitz by the police and PCSOs to constantly move on or arrest all the beggars and crackheads who hang round the bus and train stations and the cathedral grounds. They really do have an actual impact on where people choose to go and in which direction, not just the elderly or women with kids but everyone who doesn't want the hassle and abuse from these people. They could put the nicest cafe in the world there but if you have to get past three bagheads asking for 60p just to get there, people will just stay in the Mall. richard
  • Score: 83

11:43am Thu 7 Aug 14

Briantodd says...

Yes a very expensive new Bus Station, quite a distance from the Railway Station and, as you reported recently fewer and fewer buses actually using it as services are withdrawn as they are +uneconomic" and the Coincil can not afford to subsidise the bus services residents need in the borough with the LOWEST disposable income ion the UK according to recent reports.
Yes a very expensive new Bus Station, quite a distance from the Railway Station and, as you reported recently fewer and fewer buses actually using it as services are withdrawn as they are +uneconomic" and the Coincil can not afford to subsidise the bus services residents need in the borough with the LOWEST disposable income ion the UK according to recent reports. Briantodd
  • Score: 58

11:59am Thu 7 Aug 14

mikebuk says...

But Manchester provides free buses around the city centre from it's railways stations, all of which pass Piccadilly Gardens bus station.
But Manchester provides free buses around the city centre from it's railways stations, all of which pass Piccadilly Gardens bus station. mikebuk
  • Score: 65

12:14pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Thankgodimoutofit says...

I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point.
The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this.
I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent.
Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it.
I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point. The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this. I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent. Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it. Thankgodimoutofit
  • Score: 68

12:20pm Thu 7 Aug 14

woolywords says...

Whilst I appreciate that many of you are fed up of reading the negative comments, you have to appreciate that there is little or anything to give cheer about within this town.
And, I'll show you my perspective of it, in a few broad strokes...
Firstly, let's set the boundaries of the town centre. That is; the area bounded by Barbara Castle Way, Higher and Lower Audley Streets (include Russell St, if you wish,), Freckleton St and finally, Montague St.
Within that area, name family friendly places, where parents with a couple of teen-aged kids can go for a family meal. By that I mean, one that is cooked on the premises, from scratch and not reheated in a microwave. It also has to have an option from the ubiquitous chip and serve a bottle of wine. With it also having been graded 5, by the local authority...
Then, if you manage any of that, where do we go after dinner? Since there is more life in a desert at night, it would be wrong to call it, a cultural desert.
Solve that conundrum and you'll be well on your way towards the fanciful idyll that the council aspires to but has no possible reality with it.
Children learn by example and if they are exposed to the what passes for adult behaviour in this town, is it any wonder that they see no wrong in emulating it themselves.
Whilst I appreciate that many of you are fed up of reading the negative comments, you have to appreciate that there is little or anything to give cheer about within this town. And, I'll show you my perspective of it, in a few broad strokes... Firstly, let's set the boundaries of the town centre. That is; the area bounded by Barbara Castle Way, Higher and Lower Audley Streets (include Russell St, if you wish,), Freckleton St and finally, Montague St. Within that area, name family friendly places, where parents with a couple of teen-aged kids can go for a family meal. By that I mean, one that is cooked on the premises, from scratch and not reheated in a microwave. It also has to have an option from the ubiquitous chip and serve a bottle of wine. With it also having been graded 5, by the local authority... Then, if you manage any of that, where do we go after dinner? Since there is more life in a desert at night, it would be wrong to call it, a cultural desert. Solve that conundrum and you'll be well on your way towards the fanciful idyll that the council aspires to but has no possible reality with it. Children learn by example and if they are exposed to the what passes for adult behaviour in this town, is it any wonder that they see no wrong in emulating it themselves. woolywords
  • Score: 67

1:23pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Marky mark says...

richard wrote:
Once it's all done it really needs a blitz by the police and PCSOs to constantly move on or arrest all the beggars and crackheads who hang round the bus and train stations and the cathedral grounds. They really do have an actual impact on where people choose to go and in which direction, not just the elderly or women with kids but everyone who doesn't want the hassle and abuse from these people. They could put the nicest cafe in the world there but if you have to get past three bagheads asking for 60p just to get there, people will just stay in the Mall.
You must look well off Richard I usually get asked for 20p
[quote][p][bold]richard[/bold] wrote: Once it's all done it really needs a blitz by the police and PCSOs to constantly move on or arrest all the beggars and crackheads who hang round the bus and train stations and the cathedral grounds. They really do have an actual impact on where people choose to go and in which direction, not just the elderly or women with kids but everyone who doesn't want the hassle and abuse from these people. They could put the nicest cafe in the world there but if you have to get past three bagheads asking for 60p just to get there, people will just stay in the Mall.[/p][/quote]You must look well off Richard I usually get asked for 20p Marky mark
  • Score: 69

1:36pm Thu 7 Aug 14

MerlinTheVoiceofReason2 says...

HelmshoreMan2010 wrote:
See I don't know, the Rock in Bury was met with the same sort of scepticism and that is brilliant. This is as good as a carbon copy of the Rock other than the bus/trains being closer than in Bury.
The other main difference is The Rock cost over £300 million, this is £33 million - a much smaller scale development.
[quote][p][bold]HelmshoreMan2010[/bold] wrote: See I don't know, the Rock in Bury was met with the same sort of scepticism and that is brilliant. This is as good as a carbon copy of the Rock other than the bus/trains being closer than in Bury.[/p][/quote]The other main difference is The Rock cost over £300 million, this is £33 million - a much smaller scale development. MerlinTheVoiceofReason2
  • Score: -51

1:40pm Thu 7 Aug 14

MerlinTheVoiceofReason2 says...

Thankgodimoutofit wrote:
I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point.
The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this.
I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent.
Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it.
If you're so glad you're out of it, why keep coming on the LT website and posting drivel? Wouldn't it be better if you just let go altogether, moved on and focused on contributing to the idyll you supposedly moved to rather than picking holes?
[quote][p][bold]Thankgodimoutofit[/bold] wrote: I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point. The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this. I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent. Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it.[/p][/quote]If you're so glad you're out of it, why keep coming on the LT website and posting drivel? Wouldn't it be better if you just let go altogether, moved on and focused on contributing to the idyll you supposedly moved to rather than picking holes? MerlinTheVoiceofReason2
  • Score: -48

1:44pm Thu 7 Aug 14

MerlinTheVoiceofReason2 says...

woolywords wrote:
With no visible taxi rank nor adverts on the bus shelters, you can't help feeling for those that arrive by bus after 9 in the evening into Blackburn, as they will face a long and lonely walk to the railway station.
Depending upon their route, they will be faced with rows of closed down or closed shops and businesses, to face the walk along Railway Road in what could be easily mistaken for the dead of night, even on a weekend.
Looking up Church St to what is supposed to be cafe culture area, it's deserted, as is Salford, with only the distant siren of an ambulance, somewhere, to break the stillness of the night.
This isn't some portent of the future I'm writing here but my experience of walking from the bus station to the railway station within the last week. Not a soul to be seen, with only an handful of cars passing me, as I came to the Police office on the Boulevard, which closed at 8!
Through the tunnel under the railway station, out onto the deserted taxi rank in the car park. Not until you get near the front of Vue cinema do you catch your first glimpse of anyone on foot.
And we're supposed to believe that this area is going to be a vibrant hub of the town centre? Obviously a delusion, written by someone whom has never done that walk...
All the "negs" on here should take a trip to Bolton town centre if they want to see urban decay, shops boarded up, litter and worse strewn around, druggies, drunks and beggars lining the streets. Bolton is a real cesspit these days, I wouldn't be seen dead there, it stinks and is truly depressing. Blackburn will look great in comparison.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: With no visible taxi rank nor adverts on the bus shelters, you can't help feeling for those that arrive by bus after 9 in the evening into Blackburn, as they will face a long and lonely walk to the railway station. Depending upon their route, they will be faced with rows of closed down or closed shops and businesses, to face the walk along Railway Road in what could be easily mistaken for the dead of night, even on a weekend. Looking up Church St to what is supposed to be cafe culture area, it's deserted, as is Salford, with only the distant siren of an ambulance, somewhere, to break the stillness of the night. This isn't some portent of the future I'm writing here but my experience of walking from the bus station to the railway station within the last week. Not a soul to be seen, with only an handful of cars passing me, as I came to the Police office on the Boulevard, which closed at 8! Through the tunnel under the railway station, out onto the deserted taxi rank in the car park. Not until you get near the front of Vue cinema do you catch your first glimpse of anyone on foot. And we're supposed to believe that this area is going to be a vibrant hub of the town centre? Obviously a delusion, written by someone whom has never done that walk...[/p][/quote]All the "negs" on here should take a trip to Bolton town centre if they want to see urban decay, shops boarded up, litter and worse strewn around, druggies, drunks and beggars lining the streets. Bolton is a real cesspit these days, I wouldn't be seen dead there, it stinks and is truly depressing. Blackburn will look great in comparison. MerlinTheVoiceofReason2
  • Score: -60

1:47pm Thu 7 Aug 14

MerlinTheVoiceofReason2 says...

pete08 wrote:
Why is everyone banging on about the long and lonely walk from bus station to railway and no interlinking transport. Have you never been to Preston or Manchester? There is a good ten minute walk between the two.
You can add Bolton and Rochdale and Oldham to your list, along with Liverpool.
[quote][p][bold]pete08[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone banging on about the long and lonely walk from bus station to railway and no interlinking transport. Have you never been to Preston or Manchester? There is a good ten minute walk between the two.[/p][/quote]You can add Bolton and Rochdale and Oldham to your list, along with Liverpool. MerlinTheVoiceofReason2
  • Score: -53

1:47pm Thu 7 Aug 14

A Darener says...

As for Preston and Manchester. Don't you think they would give their right arm for a transport interchange like the one Blackburn HAD!!
As for Preston and Manchester. Don't you think they would give their right arm for a transport interchange like the one Blackburn HAD!! A Darener
  • Score: -40

1:54pm Thu 7 Aug 14

mrdd186 says...

Positive_Is_Compulso
ry
wrote:
Wish people on here would open their minds instead of their big mouths, people should be positive about this development and this is something the town has longed for , good things happen to those get up and work hard, not moaning all day on the LT comments.

And as for the negativity about the bus station relocation their will be an interchange outside the railway station, besides the new bus station will only be a couple minutes walk away, hardly a trek compared to Prestons.
yes lets be positive..
two large indoor markets gone, replace with one a 1/4 of the size.
Blackburn night life 1000s of people in town every weekend plus coach's with hundreds of people now all gone, all the money spent in the bars is now spent in preston burnley and Manchester. how many jobs have been lost and how much money as been lost that would of been spent in Blackburn. so yes lets be positive.
[quote][p][bold]Positive_Is_Compulso ry[/bold] wrote: Wish people on here would open their minds instead of their big mouths, people should be positive about this development and this is something the town has longed for , good things happen to those get up and work hard, not moaning all day on the LT comments. And as for the negativity about the bus station relocation their will be an interchange outside the railway station, besides the new bus station will only be a couple minutes walk away, hardly a trek compared to Prestons.[/p][/quote]yes lets be positive.. two large indoor markets gone, replace with one a 1/4 of the size. Blackburn night life 1000s of people in town every weekend plus coach's with hundreds of people now all gone, all the money spent in the bars is now spent in preston burnley and Manchester. how many jobs have been lost and how much money as been lost that would of been spent in Blackburn. so yes lets be positive. mrdd186
  • Score: 77

1:58pm Thu 7 Aug 14

richard says...

Marky mark wrote:
richard wrote:
Once it's all done it really needs a blitz by the police and PCSOs to constantly move on or arrest all the beggars and crackheads who hang round the bus and train stations and the cathedral grounds. They really do have an actual impact on where people choose to go and in which direction, not just the elderly or women with kids but everyone who doesn't want the hassle and abuse from these people. They could put the nicest cafe in the world there but if you have to get past three bagheads asking for 60p just to get there, people will just stay in the Mall.
You must look well off Richard I usually get asked for 20p
I think he thought we were in Zimbabwe with this rate of inflation, it was 20p last year and now the cheeky gets are after 60p!
[quote][p][bold]Marky mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richard[/bold] wrote: Once it's all done it really needs a blitz by the police and PCSOs to constantly move on or arrest all the beggars and crackheads who hang round the bus and train stations and the cathedral grounds. They really do have an actual impact on where people choose to go and in which direction, not just the elderly or women with kids but everyone who doesn't want the hassle and abuse from these people. They could put the nicest cafe in the world there but if you have to get past three bagheads asking for 60p just to get there, people will just stay in the Mall.[/p][/quote]You must look well off Richard I usually get asked for 20p[/p][/quote]I think he thought we were in Zimbabwe with this rate of inflation, it was 20p last year and now the cheeky gets are after 60p! richard
  • Score: 60

2:14pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Positive_Is_Compulsory says...

pete08 wrote:
Why is everyone banging on about the long and lonely walk from bus station to railway and no interlinking transport. Have you never been to Preston or Manchester? There is a good ten minute walk between the two.
That's what I was trying to get across to people on this thread, either people are lazy to walk a hundred yards or cant bothered to travel elsewhere, we should be lucky that we are getting the convenience of a modern sheltered bus station located outside the shopping center, market and Morrisons unlike Preston's horrid bus station being a mile away from the train station with inadequate interchange facilities.

Winchester bus station is run down, decayed and cold, but the train station even being a 10 minute walk away has interchange facilities outside and a Park & Ride.

Their are even bus stations closing down in the south, Salisbury, Lymington to name a few.

We in Blackburn are lucky.
[quote][p][bold]pete08[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone banging on about the long and lonely walk from bus station to railway and no interlinking transport. Have you never been to Preston or Manchester? There is a good ten minute walk between the two.[/p][/quote]That's what I was trying to get across to people on this thread, either people are lazy to walk a hundred yards or cant bothered to travel elsewhere, we should be lucky that we are getting the convenience of a modern sheltered bus station located outside the shopping center, market and Morrisons unlike Preston's horrid bus station being a mile away from the train station with inadequate interchange facilities. Winchester bus station is run down, decayed and cold, but the train station even being a 10 minute walk away has interchange facilities outside and a Park & Ride. Their are even bus stations closing down in the south, Salisbury, Lymington to name a few. We in Blackburn are lucky. Positive_Is_Compulsory
  • Score: -53

2:17pm Thu 7 Aug 14

A Darener says...

Try telling people in wheelchairs how lucky they are to be able to admire the scenery between bus and train stations.
Try telling people in wheelchairs how lucky they are to be able to admire the scenery between bus and train stations. A Darener
  • Score: 57

3:03pm Thu 7 Aug 14

peely says...

If the people that be in our Town Hall hadn,t been so keen to grant planning for every empty building within a half mile of the town centre to be turned into either a drug hostel or probation hostel / dos house then this town centre " rejuvenation " might be worthwhile , as it is give it twelve months and it,ll be like the rest of the town centre - a Dump full of druggies / alchoholics and general low life s ! Think positive maybe but afraid that's the truth !
If the people that be in our Town Hall hadn,t been so keen to grant planning for every empty building within a half mile of the town centre to be turned into either a drug hostel or probation hostel / dos house then this town centre " rejuvenation " might be worthwhile , as it is give it twelve months and it,ll be like the rest of the town centre - a Dump full of druggies / alchoholics and general low life s ! Think positive maybe but afraid that's the truth ! peely
  • Score: 61

3:16pm Thu 7 Aug 14

the beaver says...

Well I for one will look forward to sitting there drinking a coffee listening to classical music on a sunny day. Just hope they get there act together and keep the scruffs away. People forget that the new hotel will be booked up Monday to Friday with business travellers its cheaper to put people in hotels than pay for fuel for business people to travel every day. Cannot see it recommended much on trip adviser for a holiday mind!
Well I for one will look forward to sitting there drinking a coffee listening to classical music on a sunny day. Just hope they get there act together and keep the scruffs away. People forget that the new hotel will be booked up Monday to Friday with business travellers its cheaper to put people in hotels than pay for fuel for business people to travel every day. Cannot see it recommended much on trip adviser for a holiday mind! the beaver
  • Score: -48

4:00pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Bellypork says...

Is this supposed to attract people to Blackburn? What a waste of money. Why does Coun Bateson think this is good for Blackburn? I bet she doesn't put her ice skates on and give us a twirl!!! Waste of money.
Is this supposed to attract people to Blackburn? What a waste of money. Why does Coun Bateson think this is good for Blackburn? I bet she doesn't put her ice skates on and give us a twirl!!! Waste of money. Bellypork
  • Score: 51

6:08pm Thu 7 Aug 14

CorkyMac says...

Thankgodimoutofit wrote:
I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point.
The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this.
I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent.
Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it.
It's got worse In the last ten years you've been gone, good move.
But well said, nail on the head.
[quote][p][bold]Thankgodimoutofit[/bold] wrote: I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point. The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this. I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent. Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it.[/p][/quote]It's got worse In the last ten years you've been gone, good move. But well said, nail on the head. CorkyMac
  • Score: 44

6:18pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Can we take a step back says...

Missed a great chance with the Bus Station development, could have split the top floor into multiple units for bars and restaurants.
Might have been a slim chance of resurrecting the town's night life then.
Missed a great chance with the Bus Station development, could have split the top floor into multiple units for bars and restaurants. Might have been a slim chance of resurrecting the town's night life then. Can we take a step back
  • Score: 45

7:10pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Lurid67 says...

the beaver wrote:
Well I for one will look forward to sitting there drinking a coffee listening to classical music on a sunny day. Just hope they get there act together and keep the scruffs away. People forget that the new hotel will be booked up Monday to Friday with business travellers its cheaper to put people in hotels than pay for fuel for business people to travel every day. Cannot see it recommended much on trip adviser for a holiday mind!
Trip advisor review of blackburn 2016 or when cath1/4 completed
Visited Blackburn the other day on business and stopped at the Premier Inn. Parking was pathetic, i was advised to park in accrington for free and use the pennine reach bus service to get to the hotel, as it had cost £30 million it was said to be worth every penny of the £10 return fare.
Room typically bland and expensive at £87.00 per night, menu limited to over priced microwave sh1te and a rough nights kip due to trains and the constant flow of water from the river blakewater.
Heard horror stories about blackburn so after donning my stab vest, water proofs and armed with pepper spray i Decided to wander out for some fresh air and look for a nice friendly restaurant......

Pos and negs please continue........
[quote][p][bold]the beaver[/bold] wrote: Well I for one will look forward to sitting there drinking a coffee listening to classical music on a sunny day. Just hope they get there act together and keep the scruffs away. People forget that the new hotel will be booked up Monday to Friday with business travellers its cheaper to put people in hotels than pay for fuel for business people to travel every day. Cannot see it recommended much on trip adviser for a holiday mind![/p][/quote]Trip advisor review of blackburn 2016 or when cath1/4 completed Visited Blackburn the other day on business and stopped at the Premier Inn. Parking was pathetic, i was advised to park in accrington for free and use the pennine reach bus service to get to the hotel, as it had cost £30 million it was said to be worth every penny of the £10 return fare. Room typically bland and expensive at £87.00 per night, menu limited to over priced microwave sh1te and a rough nights kip due to trains and the constant flow of water from the river blakewater. Heard horror stories about blackburn so after donning my stab vest, water proofs and armed with pepper spray i Decided to wander out for some fresh air and look for a nice friendly restaurant...... Pos and negs please continue........ Lurid67
  • Score: 47

7:13pm Thu 7 Aug 14

shytalk says...

The really interesting bit will be who has got paid for what. How much, and when.
Cost of materials from where.
Another 5yrs and it will be a place where you can borrow money or pawn something, get a kebab, a none Italian pizza, get drunk or high, smoke shisha and support all kinds of ethnic muslim enterprises, all supported by grants from the conservative government so that charities may flourish and help support foreign terrorist organisations.
The really interesting bit will be who has got paid for what. How much, and when. Cost of materials from where. Another 5yrs and it will be a place where you can borrow money or pawn something, get a kebab, a none Italian pizza, get drunk or high, smoke shisha and support all kinds of ethnic muslim enterprises, all supported by grants from the conservative government so that charities may flourish and help support foreign terrorist organisations. shytalk
  • Score: 45

7:46pm Thu 7 Aug 14

the beaver says...

Lurid67 wrote:
the beaver wrote:
Well I for one will look forward to sitting there drinking a coffee listening to classical music on a sunny day. Just hope they get there act together and keep the scruffs away. People forget that the new hotel will be booked up Monday to Friday with business travellers its cheaper to put people in hotels than pay for fuel for business people to travel every day. Cannot see it recommended much on trip adviser for a holiday mind!
Trip advisor review of blackburn 2016 or when cath1/4 completed
Visited Blackburn the other day on business and stopped at the Premier Inn. Parking was pathetic, i was advised to park in accrington for free and use the pennine reach bus service to get to the hotel, as it had cost £30 million it was said to be worth every penny of the £10 return fare.
Room typically bland and expensive at £87.00 per night, menu limited to over priced microwave sh1te and a rough nights kip due to trains and the constant flow of water from the river blakewater.
Heard horror stories about blackburn so after donning my stab vest, water proofs and armed with pepper spray i Decided to wander out for some fresh air and look for a nice friendly restaurant......

Pos and negs please continue........
Absolutely brilliant cannot stop laughing made my day!
[quote][p][bold]Lurid67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the beaver[/bold] wrote: Well I for one will look forward to sitting there drinking a coffee listening to classical music on a sunny day. Just hope they get there act together and keep the scruffs away. People forget that the new hotel will be booked up Monday to Friday with business travellers its cheaper to put people in hotels than pay for fuel for business people to travel every day. Cannot see it recommended much on trip adviser for a holiday mind![/p][/quote]Trip advisor review of blackburn 2016 or when cath1/4 completed Visited Blackburn the other day on business and stopped at the Premier Inn. Parking was pathetic, i was advised to park in accrington for free and use the pennine reach bus service to get to the hotel, as it had cost £30 million it was said to be worth every penny of the £10 return fare. Room typically bland and expensive at £87.00 per night, menu limited to over priced microwave sh1te and a rough nights kip due to trains and the constant flow of water from the river blakewater. Heard horror stories about blackburn so after donning my stab vest, water proofs and armed with pepper spray i Decided to wander out for some fresh air and look for a nice friendly restaurant...... Pos and negs please continue........[/p][/quote]Absolutely brilliant cannot stop laughing made my day! the beaver
  • Score: 48

7:54pm Thu 7 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

Positive_Is_Compulso
ry
wrote:
pete08 wrote:
Why is everyone banging on about the long and lonely walk from bus station to railway and no interlinking transport. Have you never been to Preston or Manchester? There is a good ten minute walk between the two.
That's what I was trying to get across to people on this thread, either people are lazy to walk a hundred yards or cant bothered to travel elsewhere, we should be lucky that we are getting the convenience of a modern sheltered bus station located outside the shopping center, market and Morrisons unlike Preston's horrid bus station being a mile away from the train station with inadequate interchange facilities.

Winchester bus station is run down, decayed and cold, but the train station even being a 10 minute walk away has interchange facilities outside and a Park & Ride.

Their are even bus stations closing down in the south, Salisbury, Lymington to name a few.

We in Blackburn are lucky.
We are lucky in Blackburn that the bus station is only stone's throw away just opposite the Mall shopping centre. It will be modern state of the art new bus station.So people think Preston Manchester and Bolton better with good transport interchange and plenty of free parkings .
I have been to Preston Bolton and Manchester car parks are expensive and trying to find a car park in Preston and Manchester you need a sat nav .
Blackburn is the most compact large town in country with the bus station railway station and car parks are so close to each other.Car parks charges are so cheap compared to Preston Bolton Blackpool Wakefield Huddersfield etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]Positive_Is_Compulso ry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete08[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone banging on about the long and lonely walk from bus station to railway and no interlinking transport. Have you never been to Preston or Manchester? There is a good ten minute walk between the two.[/p][/quote]That's what I was trying to get across to people on this thread, either people are lazy to walk a hundred yards or cant bothered to travel elsewhere, we should be lucky that we are getting the convenience of a modern sheltered bus station located outside the shopping center, market and Morrisons unlike Preston's horrid bus station being a mile away from the train station with inadequate interchange facilities. Winchester bus station is run down, decayed and cold, but the train station even being a 10 minute walk away has interchange facilities outside and a Park & Ride. Their are even bus stations closing down in the south, Salisbury, Lymington to name a few. We in Blackburn are lucky.[/p][/quote]We are lucky in Blackburn that the bus station is only stone's throw away just opposite the Mall shopping centre. It will be modern state of the art new bus station.So people think Preston Manchester and Bolton better with good transport interchange and plenty of free parkings . I have been to Preston Bolton and Manchester car parks are expensive and trying to find a car park in Preston and Manchester you need a sat nav . Blackburn is the most compact large town in country with the bus station railway station and car parks are so close to each other.Car parks charges are so cheap compared to Preston Bolton Blackpool Wakefield Huddersfield etc etc. M.DANNY
  • Score: -42

7:59pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Biscay says...

Positive_Is_Compulso
ry
wrote:
Wish people on here would open their minds instead of their big mouths, people should be positive about this development and this is something the town has longed for , good things happen to those get up and work hard, not moaning all day on the LT comments.

And as for the negativity about the bus station relocation their will be an interchange outside the railway station, besides the new bus station will only be a couple minutes walk away, hardly a trek compared to Prestons.
I recall all the hype about the Pavillions on Church street - being high end quality venues that were supposed "breathe new life" into the Town Centre and create a vibrant cafe culture.

We got a hairdressers , a school uniform shop and a greasy spoon .

Is it any wonder that people are somewhat sceptical about the proposed Covent Garden effect !
[quote][p][bold]Positive_Is_Compulso ry[/bold] wrote: Wish people on here would open their minds instead of their big mouths, people should be positive about this development and this is something the town has longed for , good things happen to those get up and work hard, not moaning all day on the LT comments. And as for the negativity about the bus station relocation their will be an interchange outside the railway station, besides the new bus station will only be a couple minutes walk away, hardly a trek compared to Prestons.[/p][/quote]I recall all the hype about the Pavillions on Church street - being high end quality venues that were supposed "breathe new life" into the Town Centre and create a vibrant cafe culture. We got a hairdressers , a school uniform shop and a greasy spoon . Is it any wonder that people are somewhat sceptical about the proposed Covent Garden effect ! Biscay
  • Score: 72

8:15pm Thu 7 Aug 14

shytalk says...

Blackburn is fcucked.
Blackburn is fcucked. shytalk
  • Score: 63

8:16pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Positive_Is_Compulsory says...

M.DANNY wrote:
Positive_Is_Compulso

ry
wrote:
pete08 wrote:
Why is everyone banging on about the long and lonely walk from bus station to railway and no interlinking transport. Have you never been to Preston or Manchester? There is a good ten minute walk between the two.
That's what I was trying to get across to people on this thread, either people are lazy to walk a hundred yards or cant bothered to travel elsewhere, we should be lucky that we are getting the convenience of a modern sheltered bus station located outside the shopping center, market and Morrisons unlike Preston's horrid bus station being a mile away from the train station with inadequate interchange facilities.

Winchester bus station is run down, decayed and cold, but the train station even being a 10 minute walk away has interchange facilities outside and a Park & Ride.

Their are even bus stations closing down in the south, Salisbury, Lymington to name a few.

We in Blackburn are lucky.
We are lucky in Blackburn that the bus station is only stone's throw away just opposite the Mall shopping centre. It will be modern state of the art new bus station.So people think Preston Manchester and Bolton better with good transport interchange and plenty of free parkings .
I have been to Preston Bolton and Manchester car parks are expensive and trying to find a car park in Preston and Manchester you need a sat nav .
Blackburn is the most compact large town in country with the bus station railway station and car parks are so close to each other.Car parks charges are so cheap compared to Preston Bolton Blackpool Wakefield Huddersfield etc etc.
Completely agree.
[quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positive_Is_Compulso ry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete08[/bold] wrote: Why is everyone banging on about the long and lonely walk from bus station to railway and no interlinking transport. Have you never been to Preston or Manchester? There is a good ten minute walk between the two.[/p][/quote]That's what I was trying to get across to people on this thread, either people are lazy to walk a hundred yards or cant bothered to travel elsewhere, we should be lucky that we are getting the convenience of a modern sheltered bus station located outside the shopping center, market and Morrisons unlike Preston's horrid bus station being a mile away from the train station with inadequate interchange facilities. Winchester bus station is run down, decayed and cold, but the train station even being a 10 minute walk away has interchange facilities outside and a Park & Ride. Their are even bus stations closing down in the south, Salisbury, Lymington to name a few. We in Blackburn are lucky.[/p][/quote]We are lucky in Blackburn that the bus station is only stone's throw away just opposite the Mall shopping centre. It will be modern state of the art new bus station.So people think Preston Manchester and Bolton better with good transport interchange and plenty of free parkings . I have been to Preston Bolton and Manchester car parks are expensive and trying to find a car park in Preston and Manchester you need a sat nav . Blackburn is the most compact large town in country with the bus station railway station and car parks are so close to each other.Car parks charges are so cheap compared to Preston Bolton Blackpool Wakefield Huddersfield etc etc.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. Positive_Is_Compulsory
  • Score: -19

8:21pm Thu 7 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

Biscay wrote:
Positive_Is_Compulso

ry
wrote:
Wish people on here would open their minds instead of their big mouths, people should be positive about this development and this is something the town has longed for , good things happen to those get up and work hard, not moaning all day on the LT comments.

And as for the negativity about the bus station relocation their will be an interchange outside the railway station, besides the new bus station will only be a couple minutes walk away, hardly a trek compared to Prestons.
I recall all the hype about the Pavillions on Church street - being high end quality venues that were supposed "breathe new life" into the Town Centre and create a vibrant cafe culture.

We got a hairdressers , a school uniform shop and a greasy spoon .

Is it any wonder that people are somewhat sceptical about the proposed Covent Garden effect !
Church street has improved with those three pavillions improved and open for business closed to traffic and once a busy dual carriageway now a pedestrianised with beautiful sculptures and benches for folks to sit down and admire those sculptures and the entrance to the market and mall shopping centre .
[quote][p][bold]Biscay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positive_Is_Compulso ry[/bold] wrote: Wish people on here would open their minds instead of their big mouths, people should be positive about this development and this is something the town has longed for , good things happen to those get up and work hard, not moaning all day on the LT comments. And as for the negativity about the bus station relocation their will be an interchange outside the railway station, besides the new bus station will only be a couple minutes walk away, hardly a trek compared to Prestons.[/p][/quote]I recall all the hype about the Pavillions on Church street - being high end quality venues that were supposed "breathe new life" into the Town Centre and create a vibrant cafe culture. We got a hairdressers , a school uniform shop and a greasy spoon . Is it any wonder that people are somewhat sceptical about the proposed Covent Garden effect ![/p][/quote]Church street has improved with those three pavillions improved and open for business closed to traffic and once a busy dual carriageway now a pedestrianised with beautiful sculptures and benches for folks to sit down and admire those sculptures and the entrance to the market and mall shopping centre . M.DANNY
  • Score: -67

8:36pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Dunworkin says...

Darwen might be next, I don't think so. We know were the money comes from and it won't be spent in our town.
Darwen might be next, I don't think so. We know were the money comes from and it won't be spent in our town. Dunworkin
  • Score: 65

8:47pm Thu 7 Aug 14

freddibnahsflatcap says...

Take a look at the picture of the brasserie. It should be "la" and not "le". How much are they paying the architects?
Take a look at the picture of the brasserie. It should be "la" and not "le". How much are they paying the architects? freddibnahsflatcap
  • Score: 59

9:01pm Thu 7 Aug 14

freddibnahsflatcap says...

And if they can't get that correct then what else will they mess up on?
And if they can't get that correct then what else will they mess up on? freddibnahsflatcap
  • Score: 52

9:46pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Shane says...

Don't you love artists impressions. Never look anything like the real thing
Don't you love artists impressions. Never look anything like the real thing Shane
  • Score: 50

9:49pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Mr John says...

'La pizzeria', 'Le brasserie', sorry 'la brasserie'. What is going on. Most people in Blackburn struggle to speak English never mind French! Anyone who wants an expensive French pizza shop and wine bar - when all we want is a good cheap greasy spoon!
'La pizzeria', 'Le brasserie', sorry 'la brasserie'. What is going on. Most people in Blackburn struggle to speak English never mind French! Anyone who wants an expensive French pizza shop and wine bar - when all we want is a good cheap greasy spoon! Mr John
  • Score: -42

10:11pm Thu 7 Aug 14

wacked1212@gmail.com says...

A Darener wrote:
Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.
Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod???
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.[/p][/quote]Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod??? wacked1212@gmail.com
  • Score: -49

10:26pm Thu 7 Aug 14

wacked1212@gmail.com says...

MerlinTheVoiceofReas
on2
wrote:
Thankgodimoutofit wrote:
I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point.
The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this.
I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent.
Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it.
If you're so glad you're out of it, why keep coming on the LT website and posting drivel? Wouldn't it be better if you just let go altogether, moved on and focused on contributing to the idyll you supposedly moved to rather than picking holes?
Well said Merlin.....These are the people who abandoned Blackburn and contributed to it's current plight.......They probably thought that moving would make them happier but when they discover that they're just as negative and miserable after they move (and probably always will be), they develop a pathological desire to put Blackburn down....Who cares what they think??????
[quote][p][bold]MerlinTheVoiceofReas on2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thankgodimoutofit[/bold] wrote: I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point. The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this. I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent. Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it.[/p][/quote]If you're so glad you're out of it, why keep coming on the LT website and posting drivel? Wouldn't it be better if you just let go altogether, moved on and focused on contributing to the idyll you supposedly moved to rather than picking holes?[/p][/quote]Well said Merlin.....These are the people who abandoned Blackburn and contributed to it's current plight.......They probably thought that moving would make them happier but when they discover that they're just as negative and miserable after they move (and probably always will be), they develop a pathological desire to put Blackburn down....Who cares what they think?????? wacked1212@gmail.com
  • Score: -50

11:21pm Thu 7 Aug 14

noddy57 says...

A Darener wrote:
Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.
it has a nice name. but will it still have the Victorian quality of a time we prefer to remember and embrace as opposed to enduring so called progress ?.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.[/p][/quote]it has a nice name. but will it still have the Victorian quality of a time we prefer to remember and embrace as opposed to enduring so called progress ?. noddy57
  • Score: 43

11:45pm Thu 7 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

wacked1212@gmail.com wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.
Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod???
I bet this person lives in Darwen , this person is always negative about Blackburn and if you don't like it here just keep away from our town.
[quote][p][bold]wacked1212@gmail.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.[/p][/quote]Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod???[/p][/quote]I bet this person lives in Darwen , this person is always negative about Blackburn and if you don't like it here just keep away from our town. M.DANNY
  • Score: -45

11:51pm Thu 7 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

shytalk wrote:
Blackburn is fcucked.
This person is imbecile just a lowlife.Blackburn would be better off without this person.
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: Blackburn is fcucked.[/p][/quote]This person is imbecile just a lowlife.Blackburn would be better off without this person. M.DANNY
  • Score: -50

7:02am Fri 8 Aug 14

woolywords says...

M.DANNY wrote:
wacked1212@gmail.com wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.
Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod???
I bet this person lives in Darwen , this person is always negative about Blackburn and if you don't like it here just keep away from our town.
Am sorry to spoil your rant but, for some years now, Blackburn has been amalgamated with Darwen and uses the title, Blackburn with Darwen.
Which means that the people of Darwen are as much entitled to an opinion about how the authority behaves as anyone in Blackburn.
...
[quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wacked1212@gmail.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.[/p][/quote]Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod???[/p][/quote]I bet this person lives in Darwen , this person is always negative about Blackburn and if you don't like it here just keep away from our town.[/p][/quote]Am sorry to spoil your rant but, for some years now, Blackburn has been amalgamated with Darwen and uses the title, Blackburn with Darwen. Which means that the people of Darwen are as much entitled to an opinion about how the authority behaves as anyone in Blackburn. ... woolywords
  • Score: 42

7:46am Fri 8 Aug 14

woolywords says...

BLACKBURN’S new Cathedral Quarter development will include a Covent Garden-style ‘festival square’, they say. What a truly poor comparison to make since the original one didn't have a good reputation, at all.
The 18th century Covent Garden had become a well-known red-light district, attracting prostitutes with descriptions of them and where to find them, provided by Harris's List of Covent Garden Ladies, the "essential guide and accessory for any serious gentleman of pleasure". (A bit like Craigs' List of today?)
...
Nosegays and posies of strongly scented flowers, were often sold at the entrances, which were used to hide the stench of steaming piles of rotting vegetables. (Job opportunity here, for modern flower girls?)
...
Just how it can be claimed that this will be a 4-star hotel before a brick is laid, made me query how these things are arrived at. As far as I'm aware, an AA Inspector is supposed to make an assessment based upon strict criteria prior to an award given. (Or has it already got the nod from Alcoholics Anonymous?)
...
I should like to caution the authorities in how they deal with the town centre 'druggies, muggers and beggars'. I'd hate to see them hauled in to the courts, amid accusations of ethical cleansing and abusive power washers!
BLACKBURN’S new Cathedral Quarter development will include a Covent Garden-style ‘festival square’, they say. What a truly poor comparison to make since the original one didn't have a good reputation, at all. The 18th century Covent Garden had become a well-known red-light district, attracting prostitutes with descriptions of them and where to find them, provided by Harris's List of Covent Garden Ladies, the "essential guide and accessory for any serious gentleman of pleasure". (A bit like Craigs' List of today?) ... Nosegays and posies of strongly scented flowers, were often sold at the entrances, which were used to hide the stench of steaming piles of rotting vegetables. (Job opportunity here, for modern flower girls?) ... Just how it can be claimed that this will be a 4-star hotel before a brick is laid, made me query how these things are arrived at. As far as I'm aware, an AA Inspector is supposed to make an assessment based upon strict criteria prior to an award given. (Or has it already got the nod from Alcoholics Anonymous?) ... I should like to caution the authorities in how they deal with the town centre 'druggies, muggers and beggars'. I'd hate to see them hauled in to the courts, amid accusations of ethical cleansing and abusive power washers! woolywords
  • Score: -36

8:00am Fri 8 Aug 14

A Darener says...

M.DANNY wrote:
wacked1212@gmail.com wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.
Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod???
I bet this person lives in Darwen , this person is always negative about Blackburn and if you don't like it here just keep away from our town.
I do! That's the whole point. Unfortunately for Blackburn so do most sensible people who know that parking, shopping, entertainment, eating etc is so much better elsewhere.
When will the powers that be take note?
[quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wacked1212@gmail.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.[/p][/quote]Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod???[/p][/quote]I bet this person lives in Darwen , this person is always negative about Blackburn and if you don't like it here just keep away from our town.[/p][/quote]I do! That's the whole point. Unfortunately for Blackburn so do most sensible people who know that parking, shopping, entertainment, eating etc is so much better elsewhere. When will the powers that be take note? A Darener
  • Score: 44

8:27am Fri 8 Aug 14

Thankgodimoutofit says...

wacked1212@gmail.com wrote:
MerlinTheVoiceofReas

on2
wrote:
Thankgodimoutofit wrote:
I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point.
The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this.
I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent.
Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it.
If you're so glad you're out of it, why keep coming on the LT website and posting drivel? Wouldn't it be better if you just let go altogether, moved on and focused on contributing to the idyll you supposedly moved to rather than picking holes?
Well said Merlin.....These are the people who abandoned Blackburn and contributed to it's current plight.......They probably thought that moving would make them happier but when they discover that they're just as negative and miserable after they move (and probably always will be), they develop a pathological desire to put Blackburn down....Who cares what they think??????
Dont talk such drivel. I was born and raised in Blackburn and left age 34 because it had absolutely nothing to offer unless the height of your ambition is to work in a factory or a shop and spend your evenings drinking down the pub.
I hardly think my "abandoning" Blackburn contributed to its current plight (I am flattered that you feel my departure could have such an impact though) as it had been in progressive decline since the seventies.
You may read my comments as being miserable or negative if you like however that doesnt alter the fact that until the root causes of Blackburn`s problems are addressed (unemployment, drug use, crime, child poverty) then you can open all the bistros, street cafes, glass fronted offices buildings you like and will not make one iota of difference.
Despite leaving Blackburn it will always be my home town and there is nothing more that I would like than to see it improved, but improved for everyone who lives there and not just those who are likely to frequent street cafes.
This is not a pathological desire to put Blackburn down. This is my opinion, nothing more and I am entitled to it.
[quote][p][bold]wacked1212@gmail.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MerlinTheVoiceofReas on2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thankgodimoutofit[/bold] wrote: I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point. The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this. I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent. Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it.[/p][/quote]If you're so glad you're out of it, why keep coming on the LT website and posting drivel? Wouldn't it be better if you just let go altogether, moved on and focused on contributing to the idyll you supposedly moved to rather than picking holes?[/p][/quote]Well said Merlin.....These are the people who abandoned Blackburn and contributed to it's current plight.......They probably thought that moving would make them happier but when they discover that they're just as negative and miserable after they move (and probably always will be), they develop a pathological desire to put Blackburn down....Who cares what they think??????[/p][/quote]Dont talk such drivel. I was born and raised in Blackburn and left age 34 because it had absolutely nothing to offer unless the height of your ambition is to work in a factory or a shop and spend your evenings drinking down the pub. I hardly think my "abandoning" Blackburn contributed to its current plight (I am flattered that you feel my departure could have such an impact though) as it had been in progressive decline since the seventies. You may read my comments as being miserable or negative if you like however that doesnt alter the fact that until the root causes of Blackburn`s problems are addressed (unemployment, drug use, crime, child poverty) then you can open all the bistros, street cafes, glass fronted offices buildings you like and will not make one iota of difference. Despite leaving Blackburn it will always be my home town and there is nothing more that I would like than to see it improved, but improved for everyone who lives there and not just those who are likely to frequent street cafes. This is not a pathological desire to put Blackburn down. This is my opinion, nothing more and I am entitled to it. Thankgodimoutofit
  • Score: 45

8:50am Fri 8 Aug 14

ConcernedOssy says...

Thankgodimoutofit wrote:
wacked1212@gmail.com wrote:
MerlinTheVoiceofReas


on2
wrote:
Thankgodimoutofit wrote:
I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point.
The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this.
I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent.
Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it.
If you're so glad you're out of it, why keep coming on the LT website and posting drivel? Wouldn't it be better if you just let go altogether, moved on and focused on contributing to the idyll you supposedly moved to rather than picking holes?
Well said Merlin.....These are the people who abandoned Blackburn and contributed to it's current plight.......They probably thought that moving would make them happier but when they discover that they're just as negative and miserable after they move (and probably always will be), they develop a pathological desire to put Blackburn down....Who cares what they think??????
Dont talk such drivel. I was born and raised in Blackburn and left age 34 because it had absolutely nothing to offer unless the height of your ambition is to work in a factory or a shop and spend your evenings drinking down the pub.
I hardly think my "abandoning" Blackburn contributed to its current plight (I am flattered that you feel my departure could have such an impact though) as it had been in progressive decline since the seventies.
You may read my comments as being miserable or negative if you like however that doesnt alter the fact that until the root causes of Blackburn`s problems are addressed (unemployment, drug use, crime, child poverty) then you can open all the bistros, street cafes, glass fronted offices buildings you like and will not make one iota of difference.
Despite leaving Blackburn it will always be my home town and there is nothing more that I would like than to see it improved, but improved for everyone who lives there and not just those who are likely to frequent street cafes.
This is not a pathological desire to put Blackburn down. This is my opinion, nothing more and I am entitled to it.
Very concise & well said but why should you have to explain yourself to self appointed web headmasters ?? !!
[quote][p][bold]Thankgodimoutofit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wacked1212@gmail.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MerlinTheVoiceofReas on2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thankgodimoutofit[/bold] wrote: I think the issue is that you can make it as exciting, modern and aesthetically appealing as you like but in the end it is still in Blackburn town centre. Unless Blackburn has dramatically changed for the better since I left ten years ago then I just cant see the point. The type of patron that they will be seeking to attract are a very small minority in Blackburn and are not likely to venture into the town centre and negotiate the beggars and drunks just for this. I would hazard a guess that it will last maybe a year then the novelty will wear off, half the place will be empty and it will have the same dubious reputation before all this money was spent. Blackburn has too many social problems that need to be resolved and I am afraid trying to doll up a dying town centre isnt going to cut it.[/p][/quote]If you're so glad you're out of it, why keep coming on the LT website and posting drivel? Wouldn't it be better if you just let go altogether, moved on and focused on contributing to the idyll you supposedly moved to rather than picking holes?[/p][/quote]Well said Merlin.....These are the people who abandoned Blackburn and contributed to it's current plight.......They probably thought that moving would make them happier but when they discover that they're just as negative and miserable after they move (and probably always will be), they develop a pathological desire to put Blackburn down....Who cares what they think??????[/p][/quote]Dont talk such drivel. I was born and raised in Blackburn and left age 34 because it had absolutely nothing to offer unless the height of your ambition is to work in a factory or a shop and spend your evenings drinking down the pub. I hardly think my "abandoning" Blackburn contributed to its current plight (I am flattered that you feel my departure could have such an impact though) as it had been in progressive decline since the seventies. You may read my comments as being miserable or negative if you like however that doesnt alter the fact that until the root causes of Blackburn`s problems are addressed (unemployment, drug use, crime, child poverty) then you can open all the bistros, street cafes, glass fronted offices buildings you like and will not make one iota of difference. Despite leaving Blackburn it will always be my home town and there is nothing more that I would like than to see it improved, but improved for everyone who lives there and not just those who are likely to frequent street cafes. This is not a pathological desire to put Blackburn down. This is my opinion, nothing more and I am entitled to it.[/p][/quote]Very concise & well said but why should you have to explain yourself to self appointed web headmasters ?? !! ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 47

9:01am Fri 8 Aug 14

CarlosSpiceyWeiner says...

I think that comparing anything being built in Blackburn to Covent Garden is a crazy comparison. Covent Garden is more then a Piazza, it's a shopping & tourist destination.

You have an Apple Store, Disney Store dozens of high end retailers in the units surrounding the market such as Burberry and Chanel. Add to this the many high end restaurants and café's on top of the location, next to the Royal Opera House and a stones throw from theatre land, Leicester Square, Soho and Piccadilly This will not be like Covent Garden in any way, keep in mind that Covent Garden has an annual footfall of over 40 million people, that is a lot of wallets being opened in shops and restaurants each year.

The business travellers that the Hotel will bring to Blackburn will, in the majority, eat in the Premier Inn on their evening meal allowances which they will get as part of their booking if using a business account. Some will venture out but most of the people who stay will not be business leaders with deep pockets, they will be consultants, engineers and so on who will only spend what they can claim back on expenses (£15-25 per night).

I think as a development it's a great idea and anything which makes the town centre look better is a good idea but I also think that the council need a reality check, this will never be anything like Covent Garden which is located in one of the world's richest and vibrant cities.
I think that comparing anything being built in Blackburn to Covent Garden is a crazy comparison. Covent Garden is more then a Piazza, it's a shopping & tourist destination. You have an Apple Store, Disney Store dozens of high end retailers in the units surrounding the market such as Burberry and Chanel. Add to this the many high end restaurants and café's on top of the location, next to the Royal Opera House and a stones throw from theatre land, Leicester Square, Soho and Piccadilly This will not be like Covent Garden in any way, keep in mind that Covent Garden has an annual footfall of over 40 million people, that is a lot of wallets being opened in shops and restaurants each year. The business travellers that the Hotel will bring to Blackburn will, in the majority, eat in the Premier Inn on their evening meal allowances which they will get as part of their booking if using a business account. Some will venture out but most of the people who stay will not be business leaders with deep pockets, they will be consultants, engineers and so on who will only spend what they can claim back on expenses (£15-25 per night). I think as a development it's a great idea and anything which makes the town centre look better is a good idea but I also think that the council need a reality check, this will never be anything like Covent Garden which is located in one of the world's richest and vibrant cities. CarlosSpiceyWeiner
  • Score: 45

9:02am Fri 8 Aug 14

woolywords says...

Lurid67 wrote:
the beaver wrote:
Well I for one will look forward to sitting there drinking a coffee listening to classical music on a sunny day. Just hope they get there act together and keep the scruffs away. People forget that the new hotel will be booked up Monday to Friday with business travellers its cheaper to put people in hotels than pay for fuel for business people to travel every day. Cannot see it recommended much on trip adviser for a holiday mind!
Trip advisor review of blackburn 2016 or when cath1/4 completed
Visited Blackburn the other day on business and stopped at the Premier Inn. Parking was pathetic, i was advised to park in accrington for free and use the pennine reach bus service to get to the hotel, as it had cost £30 million it was said to be worth every penny of the £10 return fare.
Room typically bland and expensive at £87.00 per night, menu limited to over priced microwave sh1te and a rough nights kip due to trains and the constant flow of water from the river blakewater.
Heard horror stories about blackburn so after donning my stab vest, water proofs and armed with pepper spray i Decided to wander out for some fresh air and look for a nice friendly restaurant......

Pos and negs please continue........
A few steps from the brightly lit hotel foyer and I was plunged into near Stygian blackness but with a quick search of the dark corners, with my handy Million candlepower torch, I felt safe enough to venture forth.
Nearby is the local taxi rank, which seemed a good place to enquire about local eateries, and after finding one whom spoke passable English, I learned that he had a relative on Whalley Range, who made both English and Indian meals. Not wishing to go all the way to Manchester for something to eat, I made my excuses and left.
Fortunately for me, in the slight breeze, I could discern the smells of cigarette smoke, burnt meat and that unmistakeable aroma of stale armpits, from frying onions, I assumed: I followed my nose.
On the way towards the traffic lights in the distance, I was able to work what foods would be available here, by the puddles of pavement pizza vomit and discarded food containers, that lay like a minefield before me.
When I turned that corner, I was confronted by what can best be described as a scene from the film, Blade Runner; where dark and broody eyes scan you without pause in their foreign chatterings. Using my urban combat survival techniques, I avoided direct eye contact and moved on.
Within a few yards, I heard the sounds of laughter ahead of me. Then the scent of cachous hit me, like the smell of an old fashioned sweet shop but is now is the perfume of choice by the Chavs. They stood in a doorway, furiously chewing gum and chattering, whilst chuffing on cigarettes, creating enough clouds of smoke, to hide a battleship.
As I drew closer, I realised that their tans were badly applied fake ones and that, constant smoking, had given their complexions a look, not to dissimilar to that of a well-smoked Scottish kipper, with the faint whiff of fish, reinforcing my opinion.
Within a few yards, in a gap between the buildings, at the end of a lane, I caught sight of my hotel.
In seeing this, I hurriedly made my way towards it, as though it were some shining beacon of sanctuary, in this maelstrom of madness, with my heart pounding in my breast, like the tell-tale heart of that Edgar Allen Poe horror story.
Back in my room, after double locking the door and wedging it too; with a wedge that I carry, for added security, I made a near gourmet feast of that couple of chocolate peppermint cremes, that were on the pillows. The sugar rush, doing for me, what no cup of tea could ever do, in calming my near frayed nerves.
It would be probably illegal because of copyright laws, for me to use the term that once best described, the horrors in the sinking of the Titanic, but what the heck, I wrote it in the Visitors Book anyway, as it certainly was: A Night to Remember...
[quote][p][bold]Lurid67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the beaver[/bold] wrote: Well I for one will look forward to sitting there drinking a coffee listening to classical music on a sunny day. Just hope they get there act together and keep the scruffs away. People forget that the new hotel will be booked up Monday to Friday with business travellers its cheaper to put people in hotels than pay for fuel for business people to travel every day. Cannot see it recommended much on trip adviser for a holiday mind![/p][/quote]Trip advisor review of blackburn 2016 or when cath1/4 completed Visited Blackburn the other day on business and stopped at the Premier Inn. Parking was pathetic, i was advised to park in accrington for free and use the pennine reach bus service to get to the hotel, as it had cost £30 million it was said to be worth every penny of the £10 return fare. Room typically bland and expensive at £87.00 per night, menu limited to over priced microwave sh1te and a rough nights kip due to trains and the constant flow of water from the river blakewater. Heard horror stories about blackburn so after donning my stab vest, water proofs and armed with pepper spray i Decided to wander out for some fresh air and look for a nice friendly restaurant...... Pos and negs please continue........[/p][/quote]A few steps from the brightly lit hotel foyer and I was plunged into near Stygian blackness but with a quick search of the dark corners, with my handy Million candlepower torch, I felt safe enough to venture forth. Nearby is the local taxi rank, which seemed a good place to enquire about local eateries, and after finding one whom spoke passable English, I learned that he had a relative on Whalley Range, who made both English and Indian meals. Not wishing to go all the way to Manchester for something to eat, I made my excuses and left. Fortunately for me, in the slight breeze, I could discern the smells of cigarette smoke, burnt meat and that unmistakeable aroma of stale armpits, from frying onions, I assumed: I followed my nose. On the way towards the traffic lights in the distance, I was able to work what foods would be available here, by the puddles of pavement pizza vomit and discarded food containers, that lay like a minefield before me. When I turned that corner, I was confronted by what can best be described as a scene from the film, Blade Runner; where dark and broody eyes scan you without pause in their foreign chatterings. Using my urban combat survival techniques, I avoided direct eye contact and moved on. Within a few yards, I heard the sounds of laughter ahead of me. Then the scent of cachous hit me, like the smell of an old fashioned sweet shop but is now is the perfume of choice by the Chavs. They stood in a doorway, furiously chewing gum and chattering, whilst chuffing on cigarettes, creating enough clouds of smoke, to hide a battleship. As I drew closer, I realised that their tans were badly applied fake ones and that, constant smoking, had given their complexions a look, not to dissimilar to that of a well-smoked Scottish kipper, with the faint whiff of fish, reinforcing my opinion. Within a few yards, in a gap between the buildings, at the end of a lane, I caught sight of my hotel. In seeing this, I hurriedly made my way towards it, as though it were some shining beacon of sanctuary, in this maelstrom of madness, with my heart pounding in my breast, like the tell-tale heart of that Edgar Allen Poe horror story. Back in my room, after double locking the door and wedging it too; with a wedge that I carry, for added security, I made a near gourmet feast of that couple of chocolate peppermint cremes, that were on the pillows. The sugar rush, doing for me, what no cup of tea could ever do, in calming my near frayed nerves. It would be probably illegal because of copyright laws, for me to use the term that once best described, the horrors in the sinking of the Titanic, but what the heck, I wrote it in the Visitors Book anyway, as it certainly was: A Night to Remember... woolywords
  • Score: 46

9:08am Fri 8 Aug 14

Newradder says...

woolywords wrote:
@Positive is compulsory,
Your comment, 'there will be an interchange outside the railway station', gives a rather grandiose description to a couple of bus stops, I'm afraid.
The plan is that, as traffic makes the turn from Railway Rd into Jubilee St, Southbound traffic will be split into two lanes, with the centre lane being reserved for buses. This means that passengers will alight onto a traffic island, with them facing the prospect of forcing their way through passengers whom will be trying to board. Due to the width of this island, which is only a couple of feet wider than the bus shelter, this could be fun for them.
This will be the reality of your, 'interchange outside the railway station'!
but most people arriving by bus will be getting of in town not at the railway station only a handful of passengers transfer from buses to trains, besides which the walk between bus station and railway station wont be much further than the entire length of Preston Bus Station
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: @Positive is compulsory, Your comment, 'there will be an interchange outside the railway station', gives a rather grandiose description to a couple of bus stops, I'm afraid. The plan is that, as traffic makes the turn from Railway Rd into Jubilee St, Southbound traffic will be split into two lanes, with the centre lane being reserved for buses. This means that passengers will alight onto a traffic island, with them facing the prospect of forcing their way through passengers whom will be trying to board. Due to the width of this island, which is only a couple of feet wider than the bus shelter, this could be fun for them. This will be the reality of your, 'interchange outside the railway station'![/p][/quote]but most people arriving by bus will be getting of in town not at the railway station only a handful of passengers transfer from buses to trains, besides which the walk between bus station and railway station wont be much further than the entire length of Preston Bus Station Newradder
  • Score: -44

11:54am Fri 8 Aug 14

woolywords says...

Newradder wrote:
woolywords wrote:
@Positive is compulsory,
Your comment, 'there will be an interchange outside the railway station', gives a rather grandiose description to a couple of bus stops, I'm afraid.
The plan is that, as traffic makes the turn from Railway Rd into Jubilee St, Southbound traffic will be split into two lanes, with the centre lane being reserved for buses. This means that passengers will alight onto a traffic island, with them facing the prospect of forcing their way through passengers whom will be trying to board. Due to the width of this island, which is only a couple of feet wider than the bus shelter, this could be fun for them.
This will be the reality of your, 'interchange outside the railway station'!
but most people arriving by bus will be getting of in town not at the railway station only a handful of passengers transfer from buses to trains, besides which the walk between bus station and railway station wont be much further than the entire length of Preston Bus Station
You cannot, in good conscience, compare Blackburn with Preston, on any public transport basis, at all. Preston bus station, with it's 80 bus stands, puts Blackburn, with it's 12 or so shelters, into pale insignificance when compared, like for like.
Preston was built at time when the current thinking was that more people would use public transport than actually have and so, has never been fully utilised. The same is going to happen in Blackburn, this shiny new grandiose bus station, planned to be all singing and all dancing, will, within a few short years, be a shambles that Blackburn will have thrust upon itself.
You really have to see the plans to believe them. It's to have a suite of offices, for staff that no longer exist; as the whole operation is being currently run by an handful of staff, from a converted and extended, two up and two down house on Penny Street. The running costs of which, will be a mere fraction of those of the planned office complex.
Combine this, with the massive reduction that there has been in the services, both on the major and estate routes and anyone will gain the same impression as me; that it's a white elephant, before the first brick is laid.
...
Pack yourself some sandwiches, take a flask of tea; go and sit on the temporary bus station and watch what happens at peak times. At no time is there either, a queue of buses to get on or off that area. And this is supposed to be, the central bus station, an hub of the town.
Whilst they may wish to improve the 'passenger experience' by making one enclosed structure, the sad reality is, within a few months, rising costs will force them to either close all the doors to keep the heat in, or conversely, open them, to let heat out. Making the whole edifice nothing more than a glorified bus shelter. Upstairs, the office staff will do as the staff in the DWP building do; confuse the air conditioning system, by opening windows.
And before too long, just as happened in the new market, the dust and grime will tarnish the place, with 12 months. Remember the complaints in the food hall; where the dust on the exposed ducting had become so thick, that it was showering down onto food counters? They've never kept on top of that; just as this place will do exactly the same.
I have, through bitter experience, seen how these places become shabby, simply by neglect and cost-cutting exercises, within a short space of time and I expect this place to be no different to any of the others. But know this, if in the fullness of time, I'm proved wrong; I'll be the first to admit it.
...
As another example of how unfit for purpose the bus services in this town are; I'll cite another example for you to contemplate.
Shadsworth and Guide industrial estates have expanded massively in the last 10 years and yet the bus services to them have not adapted to take account of this. They've been pared to the bone, instead.
Try getting a bus to work, on time, for your imagined rotating shift pattern...
[quote][p][bold]Newradder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: @Positive is compulsory, Your comment, 'there will be an interchange outside the railway station', gives a rather grandiose description to a couple of bus stops, I'm afraid. The plan is that, as traffic makes the turn from Railway Rd into Jubilee St, Southbound traffic will be split into two lanes, with the centre lane being reserved for buses. This means that passengers will alight onto a traffic island, with them facing the prospect of forcing their way through passengers whom will be trying to board. Due to the width of this island, which is only a couple of feet wider than the bus shelter, this could be fun for them. This will be the reality of your, 'interchange outside the railway station'![/p][/quote]but most people arriving by bus will be getting of in town not at the railway station only a handful of passengers transfer from buses to trains, besides which the walk between bus station and railway station wont be much further than the entire length of Preston Bus Station[/p][/quote]You cannot, in good conscience, compare Blackburn with Preston, on any public transport basis, at all. Preston bus station, with it's 80 bus stands, puts Blackburn, with it's 12 or so shelters, into pale insignificance when compared, like for like. Preston was built at time when the current thinking was that more people would use public transport than actually have and so, has never been fully utilised. The same is going to happen in Blackburn, this shiny new grandiose bus station, planned to be all singing and all dancing, will, within a few short years, be a shambles that Blackburn will have thrust upon itself. You really have to see the plans to believe them. It's to have a suite of offices, for staff that no longer exist; as the whole operation is being currently run by an handful of staff, from a converted and extended, two up and two down house on Penny Street. The running costs of which, will be a mere fraction of those of the planned office complex. Combine this, with the massive reduction that there has been in the services, both on the major and estate routes and anyone will gain the same impression as me; that it's a white elephant, before the first brick is laid. ... Pack yourself some sandwiches, take a flask of tea; go and sit on the temporary bus station and watch what happens at peak times. At no time is there either, a queue of buses to get on or off that area. And this is supposed to be, the central bus station, an hub of the town. Whilst they may wish to improve the 'passenger experience' by making one enclosed structure, the sad reality is, within a few months, rising costs will force them to either close all the doors to keep the heat in, or conversely, open them, to let heat out. Making the whole edifice nothing more than a glorified bus shelter. Upstairs, the office staff will do as the staff in the DWP building do; confuse the air conditioning system, by opening windows. And before too long, just as happened in the new market, the dust and grime will tarnish the place, with 12 months. Remember the complaints in the food hall; where the dust on the exposed ducting had become so thick, that it was showering down onto food counters? They've never kept on top of that; just as this place will do exactly the same. I have, through bitter experience, seen how these places become shabby, simply by neglect and cost-cutting exercises, within a short space of time and I expect this place to be no different to any of the others. But know this, if in the fullness of time, I'm proved wrong; I'll be the first to admit it. ... As another example of how unfit for purpose the bus services in this town are; I'll cite another example for you to contemplate. Shadsworth and Guide industrial estates have expanded massively in the last 10 years and yet the bus services to them have not adapted to take account of this. They've been pared to the bone, instead. Try getting a bus to work, on time, for your imagined rotating shift pattern... woolywords
  • Score: 34

1:16pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Oldmanofthemountains says...

woolywords wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
wacked1212@gmail.com wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.
Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod???
I bet this person lives in Darwen , this person is always negative about Blackburn and if you don't like it here just keep away from our town.
Am sorry to spoil your rant but, for some years now, Blackburn has been amalgamated with Darwen and uses the title, Blackburn with Darwen.
Which means that the people of Darwen are as much entitled to an opinion about how the authority behaves as anyone in Blackburn.
...
And what about before BwD came into existence? Weren't Darwen people entitled to an equally valid opinion then, as well?
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wacked1212@gmail.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.[/p][/quote]Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod???[/p][/quote]I bet this person lives in Darwen , this person is always negative about Blackburn and if you don't like it here just keep away from our town.[/p][/quote]Am sorry to spoil your rant but, for some years now, Blackburn has been amalgamated with Darwen and uses the title, Blackburn with Darwen. Which means that the people of Darwen are as much entitled to an opinion about how the authority behaves as anyone in Blackburn. ...[/p][/quote]And what about before BwD came into existence? Weren't Darwen people entitled to an equally valid opinion then, as well? Oldmanofthemountains
  • Score: 31

4:06pm Fri 8 Aug 14

wacked1212@gmail.com says...

A Darener wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
wacked1212@gmail.com wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.
Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod???
I bet this person lives in Darwen , this person is always negative about Blackburn and if you don't like it here just keep away from our town.
I do! That's the whole point. Unfortunately for Blackburn so do most sensible people who know that parking, shopping, entertainment, eating etc is so much better elsewhere.
When will the powers that be take note?
Jesus Christ, the point of this development is to improve what you've just said and try to make it as good as "elsewhere".........
I'd say to you and all the rest of the 'put it down before it's built' squad to give it a chance but I'd be wasting my breath.....
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wacked1212@gmail.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Looks like it will be a nice place for the druggies, muggers and beggars to hang out.[/p][/quote]Have you Ever got anything positive to say you miserable sod???[/p][/quote]I bet this person lives in Darwen , this person is always negative about Blackburn and if you don't like it here just keep away from our town.[/p][/quote]I do! That's the whole point. Unfortunately for Blackburn so do most sensible people who know that parking, shopping, entertainment, eating etc is so much better elsewhere. When will the powers that be take note?[/p][/quote]Jesus Christ, the point of this development is to improve what you've just said and try to make it as good as "elsewhere"......... I'd say to you and all the rest of the 'put it down before it's built' squad to give it a chance but I'd be wasting my breath..... wacked1212@gmail.com
  • Score: -25

7:28pm Fri 8 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

We don't want cheap jibe about Blackburn .It would be wrong for anyone to suggest that Blackburn hasn't got problems of regeneration and development like many other towns and cities.
We need a large hotel/conference venue in the town centre for a start and still have some urban patches of land which highlight the ugly legacy of a past industrial age.
But the borough is making a great strides.
The town centre is progressing and although there is still more to do there are plenty of signs of real momentum.
No one can argue with constructive criticism.We don't want cheap jibe.
Some stereotypical digs and negative references to Blackburn particular do nothing to help the town move forward.
We don't want cheap jibe about Blackburn .It would be wrong for anyone to suggest that Blackburn hasn't got problems of regeneration and development like many other towns and cities. We need a large hotel/conference venue in the town centre for a start and still have some urban patches of land which highlight the ugly legacy of a past industrial age. But the borough is making a great strides. The town centre is progressing and although there is still more to do there are plenty of signs of real momentum. No one can argue with constructive criticism.We don't want cheap jibe. Some stereotypical digs and negative references to Blackburn particular do nothing to help the town move forward. M.DANNY
  • Score: -17

8:44pm Fri 8 Aug 14

A Darener says...

Just one thing to say...clock tower, fish market, Thwaites arcade. Need I say more?
Just one thing to say...clock tower, fish market, Thwaites arcade. Need I say more? A Darener
  • Score: 21

8:12am Sat 9 Aug 14

bow1974 says...

As the saying gose you can't polish a turd what blackburn realy needs is a mini version of the trafford centre at whitebirk to lure people into blackburn.
As the saying gose you can't polish a turd what blackburn realy needs is a mini version of the trafford centre at whitebirk to lure people into blackburn. bow1974
  • Score: 15

6:23pm Sat 9 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

bow1974 wrote:
As the saying gose you can't polish a turd what blackburn realy needs is a mini version of the trafford centre at whitebirk to lure people into blackburn.
Rubbish we don't need a another version of Old Trafford centre or mini version like it at Whitebirk. What we need is more bulky stores like DFS Toys R Us and eateries like Pizza Hut Nandos Harry Ramsden, Starbuck, KFC ,Krispy Kreme .
Blackburn Accrington and Burnley are already has problems with empty shops and dwindling footfall.
Blackburn regeneration in town centre and the Mall shopping centre has attracted more people and increased the footfall by 20%.The completion of new state of the art bus station next year will attract more people to town.
At a time of out of town retail parks and superstores and online shopping the High Streets in UK have suffered with up to 20% of empty shops in many towns and cities in UK.Many shops now been converted to leisure use like cafe,bars restaurants and betting shops.
Traditional High Street has been in decline for over twenty years and trying to reverse that will take a long time this a report from local Government Committee . Government are giving funding to build more diverse and sustainable shopping experience.
[quote][p][bold]bow1974[/bold] wrote: As the saying gose you can't polish a turd what blackburn realy needs is a mini version of the trafford centre at whitebirk to lure people into blackburn.[/p][/quote]Rubbish we don't need a another version of Old Trafford centre or mini version like it at Whitebirk. What we need is more bulky stores like DFS Toys R Us and eateries like Pizza Hut Nandos Harry Ramsden, Starbuck, KFC ,Krispy Kreme . Blackburn Accrington and Burnley are already has problems with empty shops and dwindling footfall. Blackburn regeneration in town centre and the Mall shopping centre has attracted more people and increased the footfall by 20%.The completion of new state of the art bus station next year will attract more people to town. At a time of out of town retail parks and superstores and online shopping the High Streets in UK have suffered with up to 20% of empty shops in many towns and cities in UK.Many shops now been converted to leisure use like cafe,bars restaurants and betting shops. Traditional High Street has been in decline for over twenty years and trying to reverse that will take a long time this a report from local Government Committee . Government are giving funding to build more diverse and sustainable shopping experience. M.DANNY
  • Score: -7

10:58pm Sat 9 Aug 14

bow1974 says...

M.DANNY wrote:
bow1974 wrote:
As the saying gose you can't polish a turd what blackburn realy needs is a mini version of the trafford centre at whitebirk to lure people into blackburn.
Rubbish we don't need a another version of Old Trafford centre or mini version like it at Whitebirk. What we need is more bulky stores like DFS Toys R Us and eateries like Pizza Hut Nandos Harry Ramsden, Starbuck, KFC ,Krispy Kreme .
Blackburn Accrington and Burnley are already has problems with empty shops and dwindling footfall.
Blackburn regeneration in town centre and the Mall shopping centre has attracted more people and increased the footfall by 20%.The completion of new state of the art bus station next year will attract more people to town.
At a time of out of town retail parks and superstores and online shopping the High Streets in UK have suffered with up to 20% of empty shops in many towns and cities in UK.Many shops now been converted to leisure use like cafe,bars restaurants and betting shops.
Traditional High Street has been in decline for over twenty years and trying to reverse that will take a long time this a report from local Government Committee . Government are giving funding to build more diverse and sustainable shopping experience.
im sorry but blackburn had a great shopping center,market and bus station and the best nite life back in the late 80s early 90s now look at it thanks to blackburn clowncil all blackburn has now is kebab,pound shop galore no nite life at all. It is a ghost town and its just going to get worse.But thats just my opinion free speach and all that.Bring back the good old 80s.
[quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bow1974[/bold] wrote: As the saying gose you can't polish a turd what blackburn realy needs is a mini version of the trafford centre at whitebirk to lure people into blackburn.[/p][/quote]Rubbish we don't need a another version of Old Trafford centre or mini version like it at Whitebirk. What we need is more bulky stores like DFS Toys R Us and eateries like Pizza Hut Nandos Harry Ramsden, Starbuck, KFC ,Krispy Kreme . Blackburn Accrington and Burnley are already has problems with empty shops and dwindling footfall. Blackburn regeneration in town centre and the Mall shopping centre has attracted more people and increased the footfall by 20%.The completion of new state of the art bus station next year will attract more people to town. At a time of out of town retail parks and superstores and online shopping the High Streets in UK have suffered with up to 20% of empty shops in many towns and cities in UK.Many shops now been converted to leisure use like cafe,bars restaurants and betting shops. Traditional High Street has been in decline for over twenty years and trying to reverse that will take a long time this a report from local Government Committee . Government are giving funding to build more diverse and sustainable shopping experience.[/p][/quote]im sorry but blackburn had a great shopping center,market and bus station and the best nite life back in the late 80s early 90s now look at it thanks to blackburn clowncil all blackburn has now is kebab,pound shop galore no nite life at all. It is a ghost town and its just going to get worse.But thats just my opinion free speach and all that.Bring back the good old 80s. bow1974
  • Score: 11

12:28am Sun 10 Aug 14

M.DANNY says...

bow1974 wrote:
M.DANNY wrote:
bow1974 wrote:
As the saying gose you can't polish a turd what blackburn realy needs is a mini version of the trafford centre at whitebirk to lure people into blackburn.
Rubbish we don't need a another version of Old Trafford centre or mini version like it at Whitebirk. What we need is more bulky stores like DFS Toys R Us and eateries like Pizza Hut Nandos Harry Ramsden, Starbuck, KFC ,Krispy Kreme .
Blackburn Accrington and Burnley are already has problems with empty shops and dwindling footfall.
Blackburn regeneration in town centre and the Mall shopping centre has attracted more people and increased the footfall by 20%.The completion of new state of the art bus station next year will attract more people to town.
At a time of out of town retail parks and superstores and online shopping the High Streets in UK have suffered with up to 20% of empty shops in many towns and cities in UK.Many shops now been converted to leisure use like cafe,bars restaurants and betting shops.
Traditional High Street has been in decline for over twenty years and trying to reverse that will take a long time this a report from local Government Committee . Government are giving funding to build more diverse and sustainable shopping experience.
im sorry but blackburn had a great shopping center,market and bus station and the best nite life back in the late 80s early 90s now look at it thanks to blackburn clowncil all blackburn has now is kebab,pound shop galore no nite life at all. It is a ghost town and its just going to get worse.But thats just my opinion free speach and all that.Bring back the good old 80s.
1980s i was a young man i remember the shopping centre open and cold place, markets ,dilapidated bus station discos night clubs .
The 80s and early 90s no mobile phones no internet and no online shopping.
The world is changing there are modern shopping malls, modern bus stations,modern Airports mobile phones internet, online shopping in Asia ,Africa and rest of Third World.
Blackburn like rest of the world is changing fast now we have a modern shopping Mall and a modern state of the art bus station will be completed next year.We need a night life in Blackburn we need restaurants nightclubs, pubs and discos .
[quote][p][bold]bow1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bow1974[/bold] wrote: As the saying gose you can't polish a turd what blackburn realy needs is a mini version of the trafford centre at whitebirk to lure people into blackburn.[/p][/quote]Rubbish we don't need a another version of Old Trafford centre or mini version like it at Whitebirk. What we need is more bulky stores like DFS Toys R Us and eateries like Pizza Hut Nandos Harry Ramsden, Starbuck, KFC ,Krispy Kreme . Blackburn Accrington and Burnley are already has problems with empty shops and dwindling footfall. Blackburn regeneration in town centre and the Mall shopping centre has attracted more people and increased the footfall by 20%.The completion of new state of the art bus station next year will attract more people to town. At a time of out of town retail parks and superstores and online shopping the High Streets in UK have suffered with up to 20% of empty shops in many towns and cities in UK.Many shops now been converted to leisure use like cafe,bars restaurants and betting shops. Traditional High Street has been in decline for over twenty years and trying to reverse that will take a long time this a report from local Government Committee . Government are giving funding to build more diverse and sustainable shopping experience.[/p][/quote]im sorry but blackburn had a great shopping center,market and bus station and the best nite life back in the late 80s early 90s now look at it thanks to blackburn clowncil all blackburn has now is kebab,pound shop galore no nite life at all. It is a ghost town and its just going to get worse.But thats just my opinion free speach and all that.Bring back the good old 80s.[/p][/quote]1980s i was a young man i remember the shopping centre open and cold place, markets ,dilapidated bus station discos night clubs . The 80s and early 90s no mobile phones no internet and no online shopping. The world is changing there are modern shopping malls, modern bus stations,modern Airports mobile phones internet, online shopping in Asia ,Africa and rest of Third World. Blackburn like rest of the world is changing fast now we have a modern shopping Mall and a modern state of the art bus station will be completed next year.We need a night life in Blackburn we need restaurants nightclubs, pubs and discos . M.DANNY
  • Score: -6

12:15pm Mon 11 Aug 14

tenerc says...

you know what is missing from those lovely drawing, the big lumps of tarmac that will be put down weeks after it`s all finished.

how long ago was the road between natwest bank and M&S in the town center finished, and if you look right outside odies new sandwich shop, there is a big patch of tarmac!!!!

why arn`t the council taking deposits off utilities companies when they want to dig up, "return to how you found it or loose £10,000"
you know what is missing from those lovely drawing, the big lumps of tarmac that will be put down weeks after it`s all finished. how long ago was the road between natwest bank and M&S in the town center finished, and if you look right outside odies new sandwich shop, there is a big patch of tarmac!!!! why arn`t the council taking deposits off utilities companies when they want to dig up, "return to how you found it or loose £10,000" tenerc
  • Score: 3

12:20pm Mon 11 Aug 14

richard says...

tenerc wrote:
you know what is missing from those lovely drawing, the big lumps of tarmac that will be put down weeks after it`s all finished.

how long ago was the road between natwest bank and M&S in the town center finished, and if you look right outside odies new sandwich shop, there is a big patch of tarmac!!!!

why arn`t the council taking deposits off utilities companies when they want to dig up, "return to how you found it or loose £10,000"
This has always been one of life's mysteries - why is it seemingly impossible to re-fill a hole with something vaguely close in colour to what surrounds it?
[quote][p][bold]tenerc[/bold] wrote: you know what is missing from those lovely drawing, the big lumps of tarmac that will be put down weeks after it`s all finished. how long ago was the road between natwest bank and M&S in the town center finished, and if you look right outside odies new sandwich shop, there is a big patch of tarmac!!!! why arn`t the council taking deposits off utilities companies when they want to dig up, "return to how you found it or loose £10,000"[/p][/quote]This has always been one of life's mysteries - why is it seemingly impossible to re-fill a hole with something vaguely close in colour to what surrounds it? richard
  • Score: 1

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