East Lancashire hospital bosses powerless to stop smoking at entrances

HOSPITAL bosses have said they are powerless to stop people who continue to smoke outside the Royal Blackburn and Burnley General hospitals.

Last summer the Lancashire Telegraph reported how groups of patients and visitors were regularly seen puffing cigarettes outside the entrances, with one family complaining about the ‘clouds of smoke’ facing people entering the sites.

Staff at East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust staff have since attempted to challenge the smokers and tell them about the ‘no smoking’ policy, but many have seemingly given up after receiving verbal abuse.

Chief nurse Christine Pearson said: “Smoking is prohibited in hospital buildings and in hospital grounds, (but) whilst the criminal law ensures that nobody smokes in our buildings, the law does not apply to our grounds. Therefore, whilst it is anti-social and inconsiderate, it is not illegal.

“We rely on the goodwill and indeed common courtesy of smokers and it is most unsatisfactory that a small number of smokers continue to smoke on our grounds, including hospital entrances without any regard for other people entering and leaving the building.

“Sadly, when they are challenged – as they should be – some even become abusive.”

While staff, including the security guards, are encouraged to challenege the smokers, there is no contractual obligation to do so.

One patient who visited the Royal Blackburn recently, who asked not to be named, said: “As I entered the main reception area I not only had to walk through a cloud of second hand smoke I was greeted not by only patients, either stood or sat in wheelchairs attached to drips, but visitors as well all smoking.

“Non-smokers should not have to enter a hospital and be expected to smell of cigarette smoke.”

He said he approached a member of staff about the issue, who said she did not challenge the smokers any longer after receiving abuse.

Mrs Pearson added: “We would appeal to all users of our hospitals who smoke – patients, visitors and the general public – please observe the signs; be considerate of other people and do not smoke on our grounds”.

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4:54pm Sat 21 Jun 14

phil kernot says...

Chief nurse Christine ,, needs to get her facts straight ,, it's private land Not owned by the nhs ,, nhs just lease the building ,,, security can ask you to leave the grounds ,,, funny how all your staff are made to smoke outside the grounds ,,, Won't be long before someone's making a claim for passive smoking at the hospital then. Saying that the hospital sells cigarettes what do you expect ,,, profit before health ,,,,
Chief nurse Christine ,, needs to get her facts straight ,, it's private land Not owned by the nhs ,, nhs just lease the building ,,, security can ask you to leave the grounds ,,, funny how all your staff are made to smoke outside the grounds ,,, Won't be long before someone's making a claim for passive smoking at the hospital then. Saying that the hospital sells cigarettes what do you expect ,,, profit before health ,,,, phil kernot
  • Score: 25

5:03pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Excluded again says...

I've never understood why people smoke when they have gone to hospital. You go to hospital to get better - is you addiction so bad you can't stop for a couple of days?

Now I like a drink - I've got some beers in for when I'm watching the football tonight. But when I go to hospital, I don't take a couple of bottles in with me and then go to the hospital entrance to take a few swigs. I lay off the alcohol until my treatment is complete. Why can't smokers do the same?
I've never understood why people smoke when they have gone to hospital. You go to hospital to get better - is you addiction so bad you can't stop for a couple of days? Now I like a drink - I've got some beers in for when I'm watching the football tonight. But when I go to hospital, I don't take a couple of bottles in with me and then go to the hospital entrance to take a few swigs. I lay off the alcohol until my treatment is complete. Why can't smokers do the same? Excluded again
  • Score: 31

5:15pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Primus622 says...

Smokers and common courtesy.....now there's an oxymoron...
Smokers and common courtesy.....now there's an oxymoron... Primus622
  • Score: 33

5:47pm Sat 21 Jun 14

burner says...

You're not powerless . . . you're clueless !
You're not powerless . . . you're clueless ! burner
  • Score: 32

6:05pm Sat 21 Jun 14

woolywords says...

"or sat in wheelchairs attached to drips.."
Thanks, for that mental image.
...
Why not offer the patients, the alternates of either nicotine patches or e-cigs?
Then, there is no need for them to leave the ward.
...
The fact of the matter is, people, regardless of what they are told, have addictions, much as do drug addicts, alcoholics or over-eaters. If it's not one thing, it's another.
All things, in moderation...
"or sat in wheelchairs attached to drips.." Thanks, for that mental image. ... Why not offer the patients, the alternates of either nicotine patches or e-cigs? Then, there is no need for them to leave the ward. ... The fact of the matter is, people, regardless of what they are told, have addictions, much as do drug addicts, alcoholics or over-eaters. If it's not one thing, it's another. All things, in moderation... woolywords
  • Score: 28

6:16pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Benpupdog says...

Many of the smokers are patients. They can be stopped.
Many of the smokers are patients. They can be stopped. Benpupdog
  • Score: 22

6:42pm Sat 21 Jun 14

woodgreensue says...

Whats the point of paying good money to have signs made and put up then?!!!.
Pathetic, you are powerless to do anything, and now they are allowing e cigs to be used on some wards in hospitals, even the visitors are using them, as I saw when I was visiting in hospital a couple of weeks ago, felt like asking if there were any alcoholics in the ward would they like me to bring them a drink.
Whats the point of paying good money to have signs made and put up then?!!!. Pathetic, you are powerless to do anything, and now they are allowing e cigs to be used on some wards in hospitals, even the visitors are using them, as I saw when I was visiting in hospital a couple of weeks ago, felt like asking if there were any alcoholics in the ward would they like me to bring them a drink. woodgreensue
  • Score: 16

7:11pm Sat 21 Jun 14

informed07 says...

The Health and Safety at Work Act requires the organisation to make the site safe for all including the public. The organisation is entitled to have a no smoking site and all who do not conform are guilty under Health and Safety Law. Employees who do not enforce the organisations site rules are also guilty of this and of failing to do the work they are employed to carry out
The Health and Safety at Work Act requires the organisation to make the site safe for all including the public. The organisation is entitled to have a no smoking site and all who do not conform are guilty under Health and Safety Law. Employees who do not enforce the organisations site rules are also guilty of this and of failing to do the work they are employed to carry out informed07
  • Score: 25

8:33pm Sat 21 Jun 14

fedup01 says...

phil kernot wrote:
Chief nurse Christine ,, needs to get her facts straight ,, it's private land Not owned by the nhs ,, nhs just lease the building ,,, security can ask you to leave the grounds ,,, funny how all your staff are made to smoke outside the grounds ,,, Won't be long before someone's making a claim for passive smoking at the hospital then. Saying that the hospital sells cigarettes what do you expect ,,, profit before health ,,,,
The hospital DOES NOT sell cigarettes! And it does offer nicotine patches to patients along with information for smoking cessation!
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: Chief nurse Christine ,, needs to get her facts straight ,, it's private land Not owned by the nhs ,, nhs just lease the building ,,, security can ask you to leave the grounds ,,, funny how all your staff are made to smoke outside the grounds ,,, Won't be long before someone's making a claim for passive smoking at the hospital then. Saying that the hospital sells cigarettes what do you expect ,,, profit before health ,,,,[/p][/quote]The hospital DOES NOT sell cigarettes! And it does offer nicotine patches to patients along with information for smoking cessation! fedup01
  • Score: 30

9:02pm Sat 21 Jun 14

chas says...

NHS hospitals are public corporations and as smoking is not illegal in open public places the hospital cannot stop people from smoking in its grounds.
NHS hospitals are public corporations and as smoking is not illegal in open public places the hospital cannot stop people from smoking in its grounds. chas
  • Score: -14

9:14pm Sat 21 Jun 14

ConcernedOssy says...

phil kernot wrote:
Chief nurse Christine ,, needs to get her facts straight ,, it's private land Not owned by the nhs ,, nhs just lease the building ,,, security can ask you to leave the grounds ,,, funny how all your staff are made to smoke outside the grounds ,,, Won't be long before someone's making a claim for passive smoking at the hospital then. Saying that the hospital sells cigarettes what do you expect ,,, profit before health ,,,,
I Think there are many more problems that need urgently resolving at RBH which should be much further up the the list. As an ex smoker I think that entrance smoking is a problem, but I would personally worry about the many which are have far more serious effects on patients lives. The abuse problem should be sorted out by security. Management appear to be ineffective in every department apart from making excuses and cutbacks. !! (I also think smoking is not good at the entrance to pubs, but there walking through it is optional, not always the case at RBH) I have recently been to P.R.I. and Blackpool Victoria who do not seem to have the same problem, or control it more efficiently. If it comes under H&S then the management together with the smokers are also in breach surely,
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: Chief nurse Christine ,, needs to get her facts straight ,, it's private land Not owned by the nhs ,, nhs just lease the building ,,, security can ask you to leave the grounds ,,, funny how all your staff are made to smoke outside the grounds ,,, Won't be long before someone's making a claim for passive smoking at the hospital then. Saying that the hospital sells cigarettes what do you expect ,,, profit before health ,,,,[/p][/quote]I Think there are many more problems that need urgently resolving at RBH which should be much further up the the list. As an ex smoker I think that entrance smoking is a problem, but I would personally worry about the many which are have far more serious effects on patients lives. The abuse problem should be sorted out by security. Management appear to be ineffective in every department apart from making excuses and cutbacks. !! (I also think smoking is not good at the entrance to pubs, but there walking through it is optional, not always the case at RBH) I have recently been to P.R.I. and Blackpool Victoria who do not seem to have the same problem, or control it more efficiently. If it comes under H&S then the management together with the smokers are also in breach surely, ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 29

9:22pm Sat 21 Jun 14

mmickk says...

Why not have smoke detectors/alarms around the entrances. that way smokers will move away from the entrances to smoke. And build a smoking area like pubs have away from entrances at least then people cannot complain when asked to go to the smoking area.
Why not have smoke detectors/alarms around the entrances. that way smokers will move away from the entrances to smoke. And build a smoking area like pubs have away from entrances at least then people cannot complain when asked to go to the smoking area. mmickk
  • Score: 35

9:24pm Sat 21 Jun 14

ConcernedOssy says...

mmickk wrote:
Why not have smoke detectors/alarms around the entrances. that way smokers will move away from the entrances to smoke. And build a smoking area like pubs have away from entrances at least then people cannot complain when asked to go to the smoking area.
Simple as !!
[quote][p][bold]mmickk[/bold] wrote: Why not have smoke detectors/alarms around the entrances. that way smokers will move away from the entrances to smoke. And build a smoking area like pubs have away from entrances at least then people cannot complain when asked to go to the smoking area.[/p][/quote]Simple as !! ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 29

10:43pm Sat 21 Jun 14

stupidisasstupiddoes says...

When leaving Burnley Hospital with my 7 day old newborn who had been in Neo natel intensive care for 6 of those days due to a lung infection, I had to wade through a crowd of 20 people smoking, these people have no regard for others and should not be smoking at the entrance, the hospital should install smoking shelters away from the entrance.
When leaving Burnley Hospital with my 7 day old newborn who had been in Neo natel intensive care for 6 of those days due to a lung infection, I had to wade through a crowd of 20 people smoking, these people have no regard for others and should not be smoking at the entrance, the hospital should install smoking shelters away from the entrance. stupidisasstupiddoes
  • Score: 28

11:06pm Sat 21 Jun 14

doggydog says...

Moan moan moan! All ya get! How did you none smokers get to the hospital? Car? Taxi? Bus? Its ok for me to inhale the fumes given from cars etc but whoa betide anyone smoking! Stop yer whinging!
Moan moan moan! All ya get! How did you none smokers get to the hospital? Car? Taxi? Bus? Its ok for me to inhale the fumes given from cars etc but whoa betide anyone smoking! Stop yer whinging! doggydog
  • Score: -20

11:32pm Sat 21 Jun 14

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

I smoke a few spliffs on the car park usually before it go in calms me down, am i going to die in Blackburn etc.
I smoke a few spliffs on the car park usually before it go in calms me down, am i going to die in Blackburn etc. Michael@ClitheroeSince58
  • Score: 13

11:36pm Sat 21 Jun 14

mikebuk says...

You don't get close to exhaust fumes, unless you have your gob round the pipe.
You don't get close to exhaust fumes, unless you have your gob round the pipe. mikebuk
  • Score: -18

12:27am Sun 22 Jun 14

rover4life says...

mikebuk wrote:
You don't get close to exhaust fumes, unless you have your gob round the pipe.
What an absolute load of twaddle, Vehicle fumes are a major cause of atmospheric pollution, If you doubt this then lock yourself in a garage with someone smoking a cigarette, Then lock yourself in the garage for just the same length of time with your car engine running and see which is worse. Don't really try this as you may not get back out or at the very least need a trip to the hospital where you will have to go past the smokers.
I fully agree that smoking at an entrance is not on but do get annoyed at people thinking they are holy and in charge just because they don't smoke respect works both ways.
[quote][p][bold]mikebuk[/bold] wrote: You don't get close to exhaust fumes, unless you have your gob round the pipe.[/p][/quote]What an absolute load of twaddle, Vehicle fumes are a major cause of atmospheric pollution, If you doubt this then lock yourself in a garage with someone smoking a cigarette, Then lock yourself in the garage for just the same length of time with your car engine running and see which is worse. Don't really try this as you may not get back out or at the very least need a trip to the hospital where you will have to go past the smokers. I fully agree that smoking at an entrance is not on but do get annoyed at people thinking they are holy and in charge just because they don't smoke respect works both ways. rover4life
  • Score: -14

12:24pm Sun 22 Jun 14

vicn1956 says...

A little story.
Some local citizens on the Tour de France rout in Yorkshire got together and knitted small jerseys and hung them from light standards as decoration. Health and Safety took them down because-get this-if it rains they will become heavy and bend the lights! I joke not!
Now-the hospital.
Where are the health and safety people now?(Health and Safety at work).
Another possible solution to smoke detectors? - play classical music over speakers. It removed teenagers hanging round a shop once.
Again a minority who want to do what they want and ignore totally other people win.
A little story. Some local citizens on the Tour de France rout in Yorkshire got together and knitted small jerseys and hung them from light standards as decoration. Health and Safety took them down because-get this-if it rains they will become heavy and bend the lights! I joke not! Now-the hospital. Where are the health and safety people now?(Health and Safety at work). Another possible solution to smoke detectors? - play classical music over speakers. It removed teenagers hanging round a shop once. Again a minority who want to do what they want and ignore totally other people win. vicn1956
  • Score: 18

12:26pm Sun 22 Jun 14

phil kernot says...

fedup01 wrote:
phil kernot wrote:
Chief nurse Christine ,, needs to get her facts straight ,, it's private land Not owned by the nhs ,, nhs just lease the building ,,, security can ask you to leave the grounds ,,, funny how all your staff are made to smoke outside the grounds ,,, Won't be long before someone's making a claim for passive smoking at the hospital then. Saying that the hospital sells cigarettes what do you expect ,,, profit before health ,,,,
The hospital DOES NOT sell cigarettes! And it does offer nicotine patches to patients along with information for smoking cessation!
Sorry it does in the w h smiths newsagents ,,,in the building ,,, they should have terms in there contracts saying they can't be sold ,,, what next macdonolds in hospital to raise a few quid
[quote][p][bold]fedup01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: Chief nurse Christine ,, needs to get her facts straight ,, it's private land Not owned by the nhs ,, nhs just lease the building ,,, security can ask you to leave the grounds ,,, funny how all your staff are made to smoke outside the grounds ,,, Won't be long before someone's making a claim for passive smoking at the hospital then. Saying that the hospital sells cigarettes what do you expect ,,, profit before health ,,,,[/p][/quote]The hospital DOES NOT sell cigarettes! And it does offer nicotine patches to patients along with information for smoking cessation![/p][/quote]Sorry it does in the w h smiths newsagents ,,,in the building ,,, they should have terms in there contracts saying they can't be sold ,,, what next macdonolds in hospital to raise a few quid phil kernot
  • Score: -8

12:29pm Sun 22 Jun 14

vicn1956 says...

sorry-route
If the visitors can't hang on for 30 mins why don't they smoke in their car or down the road instead of crowding an entrance all use?
sorry-route If the visitors can't hang on for 30 mins why don't they smoke in their car or down the road instead of crowding an entrance all use? vicn1956
  • Score: 19

1:04pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Victor.meldrew says...

woodgreensue wrote:
Whats the point of paying good money to have signs made and put up then?!!!.
Pathetic, you are powerless to do anything, and now they are allowing e cigs to be used on some wards in hospitals, even the visitors are using them, as I saw when I was visiting in hospital a couple of weeks ago, felt like asking if there were any alcoholics in the ward would they like me to bring them a drink.
Why are you so against E-cigs, I have stopped smoking for 2 years now with the help of this device, I have cut 4000 chemicals down to 3 and in years to come save the NHS money from them not having lung cancer. If an alcoholic stops drinking alcohol and changes to water, not a word is said.
Bet you don't like people using inhaler too, go on be honest, I bet you drink tea or coffee every day and if you have visitors round you offer them tea or coffee.
http://www.theguardi
an.com/science/sifti
ng-the-evidence/2013
/aug/19/coffee-drink
ing-study-report
[quote][p][bold]woodgreensue[/bold] wrote: Whats the point of paying good money to have signs made and put up then?!!!. Pathetic, you are powerless to do anything, and now they are allowing e cigs to be used on some wards in hospitals, even the visitors are using them, as I saw when I was visiting in hospital a couple of weeks ago, felt like asking if there were any alcoholics in the ward would they like me to bring them a drink.[/p][/quote]Why are you so against E-cigs, I have stopped smoking for 2 years now with the help of this device, I have cut 4000 chemicals down to 3 and in years to come save the NHS money from them not having lung cancer. If an alcoholic stops drinking alcohol and changes to water, not a word is said. Bet you don't like people using inhaler too, go on be honest, I bet you drink tea or coffee every day and if you have visitors round you offer them tea or coffee. http://www.theguardi an.com/science/sifti ng-the-evidence/2013 /aug/19/coffee-drink ing-study-report Victor.meldrew
  • Score: 17

1:07pm Sun 22 Jun 14

POW WOW says...

Then kindly remove your smoke free zone signage please !!!!!!!!!!
Then kindly remove your smoke free zone signage please !!!!!!!!!! POW WOW
  • Score: 16

5:16pm Sun 22 Jun 14

phil kernot says...

chas wrote:
NHS hospitals are public corporations and as smoking is not illegal in open public places the hospital cannot stop people from smoking in its grounds.
Nhs hospitals are not public corps there owned by Balford Beaty there a private company the nhs leases it
[quote][p][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: NHS hospitals are public corporations and as smoking is not illegal in open public places the hospital cannot stop people from smoking in its grounds.[/p][/quote]Nhs hospitals are not public corps there owned by Balford Beaty there a private company the nhs leases it phil kernot
  • Score: -11

5:24pm Sun 22 Jun 14

chrisashton says...

wouldnt this be solved, if they had maybe a room, inside the hospital for smokers?
wouldnt this be solved, if they had maybe a room, inside the hospital for smokers? chrisashton
  • Score: 14

6:48pm Sun 22 Jun 14

chas says...

phil kernot wrote:
chas wrote:
NHS hospitals are public corporations and as smoking is not illegal in open public places the hospital cannot stop people from smoking in its grounds.
Nhs hospitals are not public corps there owned by Balford Beaty there a private company the nhs leases it
Chief nurse Christine Pearson said: “Smoking is prohibited in hospital buildings and in hospital grounds, (but) whilst the criminal law ensures that nobody smokes in our buildings, the law does not apply to our grounds. Therefore, whilst it is anti-social and inconsiderate, it is not illegal.
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: NHS hospitals are public corporations and as smoking is not illegal in open public places the hospital cannot stop people from smoking in its grounds.[/p][/quote]Nhs hospitals are not public corps there owned by Balford Beaty there a private company the nhs leases it[/p][/quote]Chief nurse Christine Pearson said: “Smoking is prohibited in hospital buildings and in hospital grounds, (but) whilst the criminal law ensures that nobody smokes in our buildings, the law does not apply to our grounds. Therefore, whilst it is anti-social and inconsiderate, it is not illegal. chas
  • Score: 13

7:52pm Sun 22 Jun 14

fedup01 says...

phil kernot wrote:
fedup01 wrote:
phil kernot wrote:
Chief nurse Christine ,, needs to get her facts straight ,, it's private land Not owned by the nhs ,, nhs just lease the building ,,, security can ask you to leave the grounds ,,, funny how all your staff are made to smoke outside the grounds ,,, Won't be long before someone's making a claim for passive smoking at the hospital then. Saying that the hospital sells cigarettes what do you expect ,,, profit before health ,,,,
The hospital DOES NOT sell cigarettes! And it does offer nicotine patches to patients along with information for smoking cessation!
Sorry it does in the w h smiths newsagents ,,,in the building ,,, they should have terms in there contracts saying they can't be sold ,,, what next macdonolds in hospital to raise a few quid
WH SMITHS within the hospital NOT SELL CIGARETTES!!!!
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedup01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: Chief nurse Christine ,, needs to get her facts straight ,, it's private land Not owned by the nhs ,, nhs just lease the building ,,, security can ask you to leave the grounds ,,, funny how all your staff are made to smoke outside the grounds ,,, Won't be long before someone's making a claim for passive smoking at the hospital then. Saying that the hospital sells cigarettes what do you expect ,,, profit before health ,,,,[/p][/quote]The hospital DOES NOT sell cigarettes! And it does offer nicotine patches to patients along with information for smoking cessation![/p][/quote]Sorry it does in the w h smiths newsagents ,,,in the building ,,, they should have terms in there contracts saying they can't be sold ,,, what next macdonolds in hospital to raise a few quid[/p][/quote]WH SMITHS within the hospital NOT SELL CIGARETTES!!!! fedup01
  • Score: 14

7:48am Mon 23 Jun 14

BuckoTheMoose says...

They're not powerless, build a smoking shelter.

They almost built smoking shelters at Bolton hospital after a public consultation. Unfortunately the health nannies threw their dummies out and the plan was scrapped. This is the result.

Tell the anti smokers to get stuffed and build shelters outside hospitals, away from the entrances.

(I love the descriptions from the non-smokers - "Wading through clouds of smoke". It's nothing like that at all, it's a bit of smoke in the open air.)
They're not powerless, build a smoking shelter. They almost built smoking shelters at Bolton hospital after a public consultation. Unfortunately the health nannies threw their dummies out and the plan was scrapped. This is the result. Tell the anti smokers to get stuffed and build shelters outside hospitals, away from the entrances. (I love the descriptions from the non-smokers - "Wading through clouds of smoke". It's nothing like that at all, it's a bit of smoke in the open air.) BuckoTheMoose
  • Score: 13

5:36pm Mon 23 Jun 14

woolywords says...

chrisashton wrote:
wouldnt this be solved, if they had maybe a room, inside the hospital for smokers?
They do have such a room, it's signed as, Mortuary.
[quote][p][bold]chrisashton[/bold] wrote: wouldnt this be solved, if they had maybe a room, inside the hospital for smokers?[/p][/quote]They do have such a room, it's signed as, Mortuary. woolywords
  • Score: -9

6:51pm Mon 23 Jun 14

ConcernedOssy says...

Benpupdog wrote:
Many of the smokers are patients. They can be stopped.
BUT HOW !!! LOL
[quote][p][bold]Benpupdog[/bold] wrote: Many of the smokers are patients. They can be stopped.[/p][/quote]BUT HOW !!! LOL ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 13

8:40am Tue 24 Jun 14

A Darener says...

Refuse to treat smokers!
Refuse to treat smokers! A Darener
  • Score: -10

8:55am Tue 24 Jun 14

BuckoTheMoose says...

A Darener wrote:
Refuse to treat smokers!
Then we need a private healthcare system. As long as people are forced to pay for the NHS, they have a right to use it.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Refuse to treat smokers![/p][/quote]Then we need a private healthcare system. As long as people are forced to pay for the NHS, they have a right to use it. BuckoTheMoose
  • Score: 11

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