Blackburn Islamic centre looks set to stay in ex-pub

The former Dog Inn, Revidge

The former Dog Inn, Revidge

First published in News Blackburn Citizen: Photograph of the Author by , Local government reporter

THE controversial transformation of a historic Blackburn pub into an Islamic centre is set to become permanent, despite new objections from neighbours.

In 2011, Shujun Miah was given temporary planning perm-ission to use the former Dog Inn, in Revidge Road, as a mosque and madrassa.

This followed objections from neighbours, including a 52-signature petition, concerned about possible nuisance, noise, and parking problems.

This was renewed in 2012 while Blackburn with Darwen Council officials continued to monitor the effects of the education and worship centre on the neighbourhood.

In October 2011, a row broke out after workmen damaged exterior lettering on the old pub – against the conditions imposed by the borough planning committee.

The pub was bought by a group of 12 Bengali households to be transformed into the mos-que and madrassa.

The group had to pay £4,000 to restore the pub sign which dates from 1908.

On Thursday, the planning committee will consider an application from Mr Miah to make the change of use permanent. Officials have received three letters of objection repeating concerns about noise, parking, and nuisance.

They also highlight the damage to the sign in 2011, and fear it could be lost for ever if the change of use is made permanent.

The officers’ report said that, following careful monitoring, the levels of traffic, noise and nuisance from the mosque and madrassa had proved to be less than those from a pub.

The report said: “The proposed use within the building for religious education and prayer would be unlikely to conflict with residential amenity of the locality. In the main, these activities involved quiet contemplation, and are not likely to generate significant noise levels.

“This assessment is strengthened when considering the fallback use as a public house which might result in raised voices, or the playing of music.”

The officers recommend the committee approve the perm-anent change of use, provided a detailed scheme for parking and pedestrian walkway across the car park area is submitted.

They also called for a ban on amplified calls to prayer.

Mr Miah’s agent Syed Uddin said: “We have no comment to make before the meeting.”

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3:07pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Cimbri says...

"In the main, these activities involved quiet contemplation, and are not likely to generate significant noise levels."
This would make this, the most unique madrassa EVER, if there wasn't the usual vociferous incantation of quranic verses from dozens of kids.
"In the main, these activities involved quiet contemplation, and are not likely to generate significant noise levels." This would make this, the most unique madrassa EVER, if there wasn't the usual vociferous incantation of quranic verses from dozens of kids. Cimbri
  • Score: 28

3:11pm Tue 17 Jun 14

mmickk says...

They all blatantly ignore the law on call to prayer when is this council going to pull its finger out and do something about it. Why should we have to close windows all because some mosque chooses to break the law. Hollern its time you proved your worth and worked for the money your paid to be council leader instead of vote scoring.
They all blatantly ignore the law on call to prayer when is this council going to pull its finger out and do something about it. Why should we have to close windows all because some mosque chooses to break the law. Hollern its time you proved your worth and worked for the money your paid to be council leader instead of vote scoring. mmickk
  • Score: 67

3:34pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Rishtonian says...

Why do you think that the council is all Asian
Answer so they can pass planning Permition to put onions on top off buildings
Why do you think that the council is all Asian Answer so they can pass planning Permition to put onions on top off buildings Rishtonian
  • Score: 42

3:45pm Tue 17 Jun 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

"This followed objections from neighbours, including a 52-signature petition, concerned about possible nuisance, noise, and parking problems."

It was a pub!!

How would this have been any different really? I've lived next door to a pub and I have had to ensure the 1am kick out, it's hardly a silent routine!
"This followed objections from neighbours, including a 52-signature petition, concerned about possible nuisance, noise, and parking problems." It was a pub!! How would this have been any different really? I've lived next door to a pub and I have had to ensure the 1am kick out, it's hardly a silent routine! HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 10

4:17pm Tue 17 Jun 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

Yeah along with church bells ruining my Sunday hangover.
Yeah along with church bells ruining my Sunday hangover. HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: -17

4:37pm Tue 17 Jun 14

jenlo87 says...

to be honest i am not sure why another mosque is needed in that area. there is a new mosque just down the road on Leamington road.
to be honest i am not sure why another mosque is needed in that area. there is a new mosque just down the road on Leamington road. jenlo87
  • Score: 42

5:10pm Tue 17 Jun 14

onsidecobra says...

Another day, another mosque, another problem. Planning officials are not going to block this mosque for fear of the racist card being played, it's time that the intentional takeover of this town was stopped in it's tracks, but I guess that would involve a loss of votes too and that will never be tolerated.
Another day, another mosque, another problem. Planning officials are not going to block this mosque for fear of the racist card being played, it's time that the intentional takeover of this town was stopped in it's tracks, but I guess that would involve a loss of votes too and that will never be tolerated. onsidecobra
  • Score: 34

5:45pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Davelyn says...

Not interested anymore I moved out of Blackburn 8 years ago after 25 years living there. It was in its death throws then. RIP Blackburn. Its in the name.
Not interested anymore I moved out of Blackburn 8 years ago after 25 years living there. It was in its death throws then. RIP Blackburn. Its in the name. Davelyn
  • Score: 25

5:53pm Tue 17 Jun 14

East_lancs_lad says...

Why has my opinion been removed ? Am I not entitled to an opinion ?
Why has my opinion been removed ? Am I not entitled to an opinion ? East_lancs_lad
  • Score: 22

6:09pm Tue 17 Jun 14

woolywords says...

jenlo87 wrote:
to be honest i am not sure why another mosque is needed in that area. there is a new mosque just down the road on Leamington road.
Dead simple really, the other mosque isn't a madrassa, which is what this is.
Mosque = place of prayer.
Madrassa = place of learning.
Simples!
[quote][p][bold]jenlo87[/bold] wrote: to be honest i am not sure why another mosque is needed in that area. there is a new mosque just down the road on Leamington road.[/p][/quote]Dead simple really, the other mosque isn't a madrassa, which is what this is. Mosque = place of prayer. Madrassa = place of learning. Simples! woolywords
  • Score: -8

7:17pm Tue 17 Jun 14

abetterblackburn says...

From one addictive influence to another . . .

Blackburn now bears little resemblance to what it used to be. Even Churches have become structures from the past but at least there is an architectural appeal to old fashioned Churches of England as apposed to the rather drab foreign influence of the many other new spiritual gathering places in Blackburn today.

Interesting that even the old Wensleyan Chapel in Darwen is now serving spirits rather than preaching about them. But the danger is that all spirits can have an addictive influence if indulged in excessively. There really should be Spiritual Anonymous groups as well as Alcoholics Anonymous groups to support both evil influences and both should be heavily taxed to avoid over use.

Peace be within the mind unless it’s under the influence of spiritual misjudgements!
From one addictive influence to another . . . Blackburn now bears little resemblance to what it used to be. Even Churches have become structures from the past but at least there is an architectural appeal to old fashioned Churches of England as apposed to the rather drab foreign influence of the many other new spiritual gathering places in Blackburn today. Interesting that even the old Wensleyan Chapel in Darwen is now serving spirits rather than preaching about them. But the danger is that all spirits can have an addictive influence if indulged in excessively. There really should be Spiritual Anonymous groups as well as Alcoholics Anonymous groups to support both evil influences and both should be heavily taxed to avoid over use. Peace be within the mind unless it’s under the influence of spiritual misjudgements! abetterblackburn
  • Score: 14

7:18pm Tue 17 Jun 14

burner says...

Islamists versus indiginous population ? Not an even contest, is it?
Islamists versus indiginous population ? Not an even contest, is it? burner
  • Score: 27

7:28pm Tue 17 Jun 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

What do you mean by indigenous? Does. That mean your family can only be traced back to the Viking invasion of the UK, the Roman, the Norman?

Or perhaps your indigenous ancestors come over more recently, aided by the fact the UK invaded most of the world making this possible.
What do you mean by indigenous? Does. That mean your family can only be traced back to the Viking invasion of the UK, the Roman, the Norman? Or perhaps your indigenous ancestors come over more recently, aided by the fact the UK invaded most of the world making this possible. HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: -4

8:20pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Copperhead says...

abetterblackburn wrote:
From one addictive influence to another . . .

Blackburn now bears little resemblance to what it used to be. Even Churches have become structures from the past but at least there is an architectural appeal to old fashioned Churches of England as apposed to the rather drab foreign influence of the many other new spiritual gathering places in Blackburn today.

Interesting that even the old Wensleyan Chapel in Darwen is now serving spirits rather than preaching about them. But the danger is that all spirits can have an addictive influence if indulged in excessively. There really should be Spiritual Anonymous groups as well as Alcoholics Anonymous groups to support both evil influences and both should be heavily taxed to avoid over use.

Peace be within the mind unless it’s under the influence of spiritual misjudgements!
Alcohol and cocaine helped me overcome a nightmare addiction to born-again Christianity.
[quote][p][bold]abetterblackburn[/bold] wrote: From one addictive influence to another . . . Blackburn now bears little resemblance to what it used to be. Even Churches have become structures from the past but at least there is an architectural appeal to old fashioned Churches of England as apposed to the rather drab foreign influence of the many other new spiritual gathering places in Blackburn today. Interesting that even the old Wensleyan Chapel in Darwen is now serving spirits rather than preaching about them. But the danger is that all spirits can have an addictive influence if indulged in excessively. There really should be Spiritual Anonymous groups as well as Alcoholics Anonymous groups to support both evil influences and both should be heavily taxed to avoid over use. Peace be within the mind unless it’s under the influence of spiritual misjudgements![/p][/quote]Alcohol and cocaine helped me overcome a nightmare addiction to born-again Christianity. Copperhead
  • Score: 3

8:36pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Legal Beagle says...

Is it any wonder that when amidst all the news about house prices soaring comes the interesting exception - in Blackburn house prices for the year to April 2014 FELL by 12%.

I've lived in Revidge for over 40 years, and for most of that time I've really enjoyed it. But its character is gradually changing as more and more Asian families move to the area. It used to be famous for The Revidge Run, and I used to visit the West View and the Dog regularly, and even the Corporation occasionally (though even when it was open it was a dump).

And on the subject of The Dog I was amazed by the sheer stupidity of forcing the owners of the building to spend thousands of pounds reinstating the historic sign - only to allow them to cover it up with a bloody great board so it's now invisible again!

All the pubs on Revidge have closed one by one, and with a heavy heart I've decided it's time for me to move on as well. I've nothing against the Asian community who are gradually beginning to dominate this area of the town, but they have a completely different culture. I'm not saying it's better or worse than the native English culture but it's not one that I feel any affinity with.

I'd make exactly the same decision if the people moving in en masse were Chinese or African. I enjoy experiencing different cultures, but only while I'm travelling to the countries where such cultures are indigenous. When I'm at home I want to live amongst people who by and large share my cultural beliefs, otherwise it ceases to be `home' - I feel like a stranger in my own country.

So like many others who can afford to do so I'm voting with my feet and moving to the Ribble Valley, which still seems like the England I grew up in and the England where I feel at home. I suspect one of the reasons the house prices are falling in Blackburn is that there are now many other people doing just the same.
Is it any wonder that when amidst all the news about house prices soaring comes the interesting exception - in Blackburn house prices for the year to April 2014 FELL by 12%. I've lived in Revidge for over 40 years, and for most of that time I've really enjoyed it. But its character is gradually changing as more and more Asian families move to the area. It used to be famous for The Revidge Run, and I used to visit the West View and the Dog regularly, and even the Corporation occasionally (though even when it was open it was a dump). And on the subject of The Dog I was amazed by the sheer stupidity of forcing the owners of the building to spend thousands of pounds reinstating the historic sign - only to allow them to cover it up with a bloody great board so it's now invisible again! All the pubs on Revidge have closed one by one, and with a heavy heart I've decided it's time for me to move on as well. I've nothing against the Asian community who are gradually beginning to dominate this area of the town, but they have a completely different culture. I'm not saying it's better or worse than the native English culture but it's not one that I feel any affinity with. I'd make exactly the same decision if the people moving in en masse were Chinese or African. I enjoy experiencing different cultures, but only while I'm travelling to the countries where such cultures are indigenous. When I'm at home I want to live amongst people who by and large share my cultural beliefs, otherwise it ceases to be `home' - I feel like a stranger in my own country. So like many others who can afford to do so I'm voting with my feet and moving to the Ribble Valley, which still seems like the England I grew up in and the England where I feel at home. I suspect one of the reasons the house prices are falling in Blackburn is that there are now many other people doing just the same. Legal Beagle
  • Score: 59

8:52pm Tue 17 Jun 14

abetterblackburn says...

Have you been voting again and again and again and again and again for Jack Straw and his safe seat colleagues?

What! That’s what you’ve been doing do I hear you confess?

Well, serves you right for what’s happened to Blackburn.

Another Blackburn addiction!
Have you been voting again and again and again and again and again for Jack Straw and his safe seat colleagues? What! That’s what you’ve been doing do I hear you confess? Well, serves you right for what’s happened to Blackburn. Another Blackburn addiction! abetterblackburn
  • Score: 18

9:20pm Tue 17 Jun 14

woolywords says...

Legal Beagle wrote:
Is it any wonder that when amidst all the news about house prices soaring comes the interesting exception - in Blackburn house prices for the year to April 2014 FELL by 12%.

I've lived in Revidge for over 40 years, and for most of that time I've really enjoyed it. But its character is gradually changing as more and more Asian families move to the area. It used to be famous for The Revidge Run, and I used to visit the West View and the Dog regularly, and even the Corporation occasionally (though even when it was open it was a dump).

And on the subject of The Dog I was amazed by the sheer stupidity of forcing the owners of the building to spend thousands of pounds reinstating the historic sign - only to allow them to cover it up with a bloody great board so it's now invisible again!

All the pubs on Revidge have closed one by one, and with a heavy heart I've decided it's time for me to move on as well. I've nothing against the Asian community who are gradually beginning to dominate this area of the town, but they have a completely different culture. I'm not saying it's better or worse than the native English culture but it's not one that I feel any affinity with.

I'd make exactly the same decision if the people moving in en masse were Chinese or African. I enjoy experiencing different cultures, but only while I'm travelling to the countries where such cultures are indigenous. When I'm at home I want to live amongst people who by and large share my cultural beliefs, otherwise it ceases to be `home' - I feel like a stranger in my own country.

So like many others who can afford to do so I'm voting with my feet and moving to the Ribble Valley, which still seems like the England I grew up in and the England where I feel at home. I suspect one of the reasons the house prices are falling in Blackburn is that there are now many other people doing just the same.
Quote..
When I'm at home I want to live amongst people who by and large share my cultural beliefs, otherwise it ceases to be `home' - I feel like a stranger in my own country.
Legal Beagle, today, endquote.
Quote..
For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition..
Enoch Powell, 1968, endquote.

To expect any integration of cultures is to live in cloud cuckoo land and is evinced by a willingness to either mutilate to beyond recognition or even murder one's own family members to prevent any mixing beyond their tribe.

Powell went on to suggest that,
quote..
We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancées whom they have never seen.
endquote.
Pilloried in the press, deselected then forced out of the Conservative party, he was seen as a lunatic, with his wild prophetic ramblings..
Yet here, all these years later, we see in print, someone, whom by their own admissions, has fulfilled the very essence of what he spoke about.
Make you wonder about the rest of his speech, doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Legal Beagle[/bold] wrote: Is it any wonder that when amidst all the news about house prices soaring comes the interesting exception - in Blackburn house prices for the year to April 2014 FELL by 12%. I've lived in Revidge for over 40 years, and for most of that time I've really enjoyed it. But its character is gradually changing as more and more Asian families move to the area. It used to be famous for The Revidge Run, and I used to visit the West View and the Dog regularly, and even the Corporation occasionally (though even when it was open it was a dump). And on the subject of The Dog I was amazed by the sheer stupidity of forcing the owners of the building to spend thousands of pounds reinstating the historic sign - only to allow them to cover it up with a bloody great board so it's now invisible again! All the pubs on Revidge have closed one by one, and with a heavy heart I've decided it's time for me to move on as well. I've nothing against the Asian community who are gradually beginning to dominate this area of the town, but they have a completely different culture. I'm not saying it's better or worse than the native English culture but it's not one that I feel any affinity with. I'd make exactly the same decision if the people moving in en masse were Chinese or African. I enjoy experiencing different cultures, but only while I'm travelling to the countries where such cultures are indigenous. When I'm at home I want to live amongst people who by and large share my cultural beliefs, otherwise it ceases to be `home' - I feel like a stranger in my own country. So like many others who can afford to do so I'm voting with my feet and moving to the Ribble Valley, which still seems like the England I grew up in and the England where I feel at home. I suspect one of the reasons the house prices are falling in Blackburn is that there are now many other people doing just the same.[/p][/quote]Quote.. When I'm at home I want to live amongst people who by and large share my cultural beliefs, otherwise it ceases to be `home' - I feel like a stranger in my own country. Legal Beagle, today, endquote. Quote.. For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country. They found their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition.. Enoch Powell, 1968, endquote. To expect any integration of cultures is to live in cloud cuckoo land and is evinced by a willingness to either mutilate to beyond recognition or even murder one's own family members to prevent any mixing beyond their tribe. Powell went on to suggest that, quote.. We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiancées whom they have never seen. endquote. Pilloried in the press, deselected then forced out of the Conservative party, he was seen as a lunatic, with his wild prophetic ramblings.. Yet here, all these years later, we see in print, someone, whom by their own admissions, has fulfilled the very essence of what he spoke about. Make you wonder about the rest of his speech, doesn't it? woolywords
  • Score: 38

1:01am Wed 18 Jun 14

Steven11 says...

Rishtonian wrote:
Why do you think that the council is all Asian
Answer so they can pass planning Permition to put onions on top off buildings
Totally agree with you on that one , just like Trojan schools !
[quote][p][bold]Rishtonian[/bold] wrote: Why do you think that the council is all Asian Answer so they can pass planning Permition to put onions on top off buildings[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you on that one , just like Trojan schools ! Steven11
  • Score: 14

4:16am Wed 18 Jun 14

VICKY P says...

Steven11 wrote:
Legal Beagle wrote:
Is it any wonder that when amidst all the news about house prices soaring comes the interesting exception - in Blackburn house prices for the year to April 2014 FELL by 12%.

I've lived in Revidge for over 40 years, and for most of that time I've really enjoyed it. But its character is gradually changing as more and more Asian families move to the area. It used to be famous for The Revidge Run, and I used to visit the West View and the Dog regularly, and even the Corporation occasionally (though even when it was open it was a dump).

And on the subject of The Dog I was amazed by the sheer stupidity of forcing the owners of the building to spend thousands of pounds reinstating the historic sign - only to allow them to cover it up with a bloody great board so it's now invisible again!

All the pubs on Revidge have closed one by one, and with a heavy heart I've decided it's time for me to move on as well. I've nothing against the Asian community who are gradually beginning to dominate this area of the town, but they have a completely different culture. I'm not saying it's better or worse than the native English culture but it's not one that I feel any affinity with.

I'd make exactly the same decision if the people moving in en masse were Chinese or African. I enjoy experiencing different cultures, but only while I'm travelling to the countries where such cultures are indigenous. When I'm at home I want to live amongst people who by and large share my cultural beliefs, otherwise it ceases to be `home' - I feel like a stranger in my own country.

So like many others who can afford to do so I'm voting with my feet and moving to the Ribble Valley, which still seems like the England I grew up in and the England where I feel at home. I suspect one of the reasons the house prices are falling in Blackburn is that there are now many other people doing just the same.
These Asian imports coming to this country , have no respect what so ever for our country or any respect . Even to speak English is remarkable . What these animals have done to the Dog on .. Revidge is un believable.
"Even to speak English is remarkable" lol, the irony. your English seems to be spot on mate.
[quote][p][bold]Steven11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Legal Beagle[/bold] wrote: Is it any wonder that when amidst all the news about house prices soaring comes the interesting exception - in Blackburn house prices for the year to April 2014 FELL by 12%. I've lived in Revidge for over 40 years, and for most of that time I've really enjoyed it. But its character is gradually changing as more and more Asian families move to the area. It used to be famous for The Revidge Run, and I used to visit the West View and the Dog regularly, and even the Corporation occasionally (though even when it was open it was a dump). And on the subject of The Dog I was amazed by the sheer stupidity of forcing the owners of the building to spend thousands of pounds reinstating the historic sign - only to allow them to cover it up with a bloody great board so it's now invisible again! All the pubs on Revidge have closed one by one, and with a heavy heart I've decided it's time for me to move on as well. I've nothing against the Asian community who are gradually beginning to dominate this area of the town, but they have a completely different culture. I'm not saying it's better or worse than the native English culture but it's not one that I feel any affinity with. I'd make exactly the same decision if the people moving in en masse were Chinese or African. I enjoy experiencing different cultures, but only while I'm travelling to the countries where such cultures are indigenous. When I'm at home I want to live amongst people who by and large share my cultural beliefs, otherwise it ceases to be `home' - I feel like a stranger in my own country. So like many others who can afford to do so I'm voting with my feet and moving to the Ribble Valley, which still seems like the England I grew up in and the England where I feel at home. I suspect one of the reasons the house prices are falling in Blackburn is that there are now many other people doing just the same.[/p][/quote]These Asian imports coming to this country , have no respect what so ever for our country or any respect . Even to speak English is remarkable . What these animals have done to the Dog on .. Revidge is un believable.[/p][/quote]"Even to speak English is remarkable" lol, the irony. your English seems to be spot on mate. VICKY P
  • Score: 12

8:16am Wed 18 Jun 14

A Darener says...

But without that two hundred years you wouldn't be here!
But without that two hundred years you wouldn't be here! A Darener
  • Score: -6

8:39am Wed 18 Jun 14

woolywords says...

Proud2bMuslim wrote:
You lot seem to forget that your own ancestors ruled over India for 200 years built churches and thousands of Muslim's were killed by the BRITISH. The tables have turned so get used to it! What comes around goes around.
You lot is a bit strong but never mind, I'll put that down to you just having had your Weetabricks.
I certainly can't forget my British Colonial past, as I'm reminded of it on a regular basis by a building here in Blackburn. Bet you, you don't know which one, do you?
In 1842, Hyderabad was defended by 20,000 troops under the command of Mir Sher Muhammad Talpur and Hosh Mohammad. Charles Napier with a force of only 6,000 men but with artillery support stormed the city. During the battle Hosh Mohammad was killed and his forces routed; Baluchistani resistance collapsed and Sindh (part of modern day Pakistan) came under British rule.
It is worth noting that, in 1857, when the 'War of Independence' (also known as, the Indian Mutiny) broke out, Napier's rule was so absolute that, not a single shot was fired.
So you see, every time I pass that pub, or even call in, I'm reminded of how a well disciplined force of British, is capable of defeating far greater numbers. Or did you confuse Charles Napier with the Scottish mathematician, John Napier, who invented logarithms? An easy mistake to make, if you are not good at either Math nor History..
I'll give you this though, in all the years that people have passed that pub, nobody has ever objected to it's name and it's connotations to the Pakistani people. Fair play to you, for that one.
Some day, and I hope within my lifetime, that pub will close, be bought by 'you lot' then raised to the ground. I hope that I live long enough to see it because it's going to be one Hell of a party, and rightly so, I think.
[quote][p][bold]Proud2bMuslim[/bold] wrote: You lot seem to forget that your own ancestors ruled over India for 200 years built churches and thousands of Muslim's were killed by the BRITISH. The tables have turned so get used to it! What comes around goes around.[/p][/quote]You lot is a bit strong but never mind, I'll put that down to you just having had your Weetabricks. I certainly can't forget my British Colonial past, as I'm reminded of it on a regular basis by a building here in Blackburn. Bet you, you don't know which one, do you? In 1842, Hyderabad was defended by 20,000 troops under the command of Mir Sher Muhammad Talpur and Hosh Mohammad. Charles Napier with a force of only 6,000 men but with artillery support stormed the city. During the battle Hosh Mohammad was killed and his forces routed; Baluchistani resistance collapsed and Sindh (part of modern day Pakistan) came under British rule. It is worth noting that, in 1857, when the 'War of Independence' (also known as, the Indian Mutiny) broke out, Napier's rule was so absolute that, not a single shot was fired. So you see, every time I pass that pub, or even call in, I'm reminded of how a well disciplined force of British, is capable of defeating far greater numbers. Or did you confuse Charles Napier with the Scottish mathematician, John Napier, who invented logarithms? An easy mistake to make, if you are not good at either Math nor History.. I'll give you this though, in all the years that people have passed that pub, nobody has ever objected to it's name and it's connotations to the Pakistani people. Fair play to you, for that one. Some day, and I hope within my lifetime, that pub will close, be bought by 'you lot' then raised to the ground. I hope that I live long enough to see it because it's going to be one Hell of a party, and rightly so, I think. woolywords
  • Score: -10

9:02am Wed 18 Jun 14

woolywords says...

onsidecobra wrote:
Another day, another mosque, another problem. Planning officials are not going to block this mosque for fear of the racist card being played, it's time that the intentional takeover of this town was stopped in it's tracks, but I guess that would involve a loss of votes too and that will never be tolerated.
You are making a bit of a mistake in your thinking here, by wishing to have everyone in one grand mosque and I'll explain why..
If they are all in one mosque, they would be all singing from the same song sheet but if they are divided, amongst the many, they then fall foul of Immanuel Kant's 3rd philosophic and political principle of, divide and rule. One of the finest strategies ever invented. So leave them to it, I say, as it makes for easier control. And, this also means that, there is less chance of there ever being a Muslim Caliphate within these shores.
History teaches us that, we Britons, have seen off all the invaders who dared to come here, often without force off arms, so this is just another page in our rich and vibrant history, that won't last long, trust me.
[quote][p][bold]onsidecobra[/bold] wrote: Another day, another mosque, another problem. Planning officials are not going to block this mosque for fear of the racist card being played, it's time that the intentional takeover of this town was stopped in it's tracks, but I guess that would involve a loss of votes too and that will never be tolerated.[/p][/quote]You are making a bit of a mistake in your thinking here, by wishing to have everyone in one grand mosque and I'll explain why.. If they are all in one mosque, they would be all singing from the same song sheet but if they are divided, amongst the many, they then fall foul of Immanuel Kant's 3rd philosophic and political principle of, divide and rule. One of the finest strategies ever invented. So leave them to it, I say, as it makes for easier control. And, this also means that, there is less chance of there ever being a Muslim Caliphate within these shores. History teaches us that, we Britons, have seen off all the invaders who dared to come here, often without force off arms, so this is just another page in our rich and vibrant history, that won't last long, trust me. woolywords
  • Score: 7

9:14am Wed 18 Jun 14

Mr Vant says...

I am a proud Muslim but omg do we really need another mosque , I live just round the corner and will be voicing my opinions against this,
Another country -another mosque
Another cast- another mosque absolute waste of money.
The house of Allah/God does not belong to people but in Blackburn it seems mosques are being used to show personal power and wealth
I am a proud Muslim but omg do we really need another mosque , I live just round the corner and will be voicing my opinions against this, Another country -another mosque Another cast- another mosque absolute waste of money. The house of Allah/God does not belong to people but in Blackburn it seems mosques are being used to show personal power and wealth Mr Vant
  • Score: 20

11:13am Wed 18 Jun 14

Elgroundo says...

After living near new bank road for nearly 20 years I'm so happy I left Blackburn what's disgrace the town has now become I remember being able to go on the revidge run and having lots of laughs and some great memories
what was a nice multicultural area to live in when we moved there has become dangerous rathole that has been ruined I was talking to friends recently who still live in that area and it's got to the point where people are scared to leave there houses to go to the shop when it goes dark for fear of being attacked absolute disgrace shame on you Blackburn
After living near new bank road for nearly 20 years I'm so happy I left Blackburn what's disgrace the town has now become I remember being able to go on the revidge run and having lots of laughs and some great memories what was a nice multicultural area to live in when we moved there has become dangerous rathole that has been ruined I was talking to friends recently who still live in that area and it's got to the point where people are scared to leave there houses to go to the shop when it goes dark for fear of being attacked absolute disgrace shame on you Blackburn Elgroundo
  • Score: 10

12:19pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Legal Beagle says...

Elgroundo wrote:
After living near new bank road for nearly 20 years I'm so happy I left Blackburn what's disgrace the town has now become I remember being able to go on the revidge run and having lots of laughs and some great memories
what was a nice multicultural area to live in when we moved there has become dangerous rathole that has been ruined I was talking to friends recently who still live in that area and it's got to the point where people are scared to leave there houses to go to the shop when it goes dark for fear of being attacked absolute disgrace shame on you Blackburn
I'm sorry Elgroundo, but I can't allow such an absurd comment to go unchallenged, at least if you're referring to the Revidge area. As I said, I've lived there for 40 years, and it's still a pleasant area to live in.

Whilst I may not feel `at home' amongst the Asian community they appear to be generally peaceful and neither I nor, so far as I am aware, any of my neighbours feel any apprehension at all walking to the shop before or after dark. I certainly feel far safer amongst the Asian community than I would walking around some of the `native' areas, such as Shadsworth.

Your description of the area as a `dangerous rathole that has been ruined' is insulting to those who live there and is so wildly inaccurate that I would have to question the veracity of the alleged comments made by your `friends'.
[quote][p][bold]Elgroundo[/bold] wrote: After living near new bank road for nearly 20 years I'm so happy I left Blackburn what's disgrace the town has now become I remember being able to go on the revidge run and having lots of laughs and some great memories what was a nice multicultural area to live in when we moved there has become dangerous rathole that has been ruined I was talking to friends recently who still live in that area and it's got to the point where people are scared to leave there houses to go to the shop when it goes dark for fear of being attacked absolute disgrace shame on you Blackburn[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Elgroundo, but I can't allow such an absurd comment to go unchallenged, at least if you're referring to the Revidge area. As I said, I've lived there for 40 years, and it's still a pleasant area to live in. Whilst I may not feel `at home' amongst the Asian community they appear to be generally peaceful and neither I nor, so far as I am aware, any of my neighbours feel any apprehension at all walking to the shop before or after dark. I certainly feel far safer amongst the Asian community than I would walking around some of the `native' areas, such as Shadsworth. Your description of the area as a `dangerous rathole that has been ruined' is insulting to those who live there and is so wildly inaccurate that I would have to question the veracity of the alleged comments made by your `friends'. Legal Beagle
  • Score: 2

1:59pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Copperhead says...

I know that muslims run, edit and control this newspaper because my comments about islam and the western/British way of life being ultimately incompatible have been deleted.
So much for free speech - stopping me having my say is just a taster of what the islamists want to do to the UK.
You have been warned.
I know that muslims run, edit and control this newspaper because my comments about islam and the western/British way of life being ultimately incompatible have been deleted. So much for free speech - stopping me having my say is just a taster of what the islamists want to do to the UK. You have been warned. Copperhead
  • Score: 11

11:14pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Steven11 says...

woolywords wrote:
jenlo87 wrote:
to be honest i am not sure why another mosque is needed in that area. there is a new mosque just down the road on Leamington road.
Dead simple really, the other mosque isn't a madrassa, which is what this is.
Mosque = place of prayer.
Madrassa = place of learning.
Simples!
Silly me , I thought that schools are for learning. !
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jenlo87[/bold] wrote: to be honest i am not sure why another mosque is needed in that area. there is a new mosque just down the road on Leamington road.[/p][/quote]Dead simple really, the other mosque isn't a madrassa, which is what this is. Mosque = place of prayer. Madrassa = place of learning. Simples![/p][/quote]Silly me , I thought that schools are for learning. ! Steven11
  • Score: 8

11:50pm Wed 18 Jun 14

b18ftmojo5 says...

Legal Beagle wrote:
Elgroundo wrote:
After living near new bank road for nearly 20 years I'm so happy I left Blackburn what's disgrace the town has now become I remember being able to go on the revidge run and having lots of laughs and some great memories
what was a nice multicultural area to live in when we moved there has become dangerous rathole that has been ruined I was talking to friends recently who still live in that area and it's got to the point where people are scared to leave there houses to go to the shop when it goes dark for fear of being attacked absolute disgrace shame on you Blackburn
I'm sorry Elgroundo, but I can't allow such an absurd comment to go unchallenged, at least if you're referring to the Revidge area. As I said, I've lived there for 40 years, and it's still a pleasant area to live in.

Whilst I may not feel `at home' amongst the Asian community they appear to be generally peaceful and neither I nor, so far as I am aware, any of my neighbours feel any apprehension at all walking to the shop before or after dark. I certainly feel far safer amongst the Asian community than I would walking around some of the `native' areas, such as Shadsworth.

Your description of the area as a `dangerous rathole that has been ruined' is insulting to those who live there and is so wildly inaccurate that I would have to question the veracity of the alleged comments made by your `friends'.
great comment and the truth from a honest person. I work in town and live in said area, in all respect to the people living in shad or whitebirk, i wouldn't feel safe walking their during the evening. I however feel comfortable walking down this part of revidge all night and have never been scared of being attacked, robbed or worse.
[quote][p][bold]Legal Beagle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elgroundo[/bold] wrote: After living near new bank road for nearly 20 years I'm so happy I left Blackburn what's disgrace the town has now become I remember being able to go on the revidge run and having lots of laughs and some great memories what was a nice multicultural area to live in when we moved there has become dangerous rathole that has been ruined I was talking to friends recently who still live in that area and it's got to the point where people are scared to leave there houses to go to the shop when it goes dark for fear of being attacked absolute disgrace shame on you Blackburn[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Elgroundo, but I can't allow such an absurd comment to go unchallenged, at least if you're referring to the Revidge area. As I said, I've lived there for 40 years, and it's still a pleasant area to live in. Whilst I may not feel `at home' amongst the Asian community they appear to be generally peaceful and neither I nor, so far as I am aware, any of my neighbours feel any apprehension at all walking to the shop before or after dark. I certainly feel far safer amongst the Asian community than I would walking around some of the `native' areas, such as Shadsworth. Your description of the area as a `dangerous rathole that has been ruined' is insulting to those who live there and is so wildly inaccurate that I would have to question the veracity of the alleged comments made by your `friends'.[/p][/quote]great comment and the truth from a honest person. I work in town and live in said area, in all respect to the people living in shad or whitebirk, i wouldn't feel safe walking their during the evening. I however feel comfortable walking down this part of revidge all night and have never been scared of being attacked, robbed or worse. b18ftmojo5
  • Score: 1

8:11am Fri 20 Jun 14

Elgroundo says...

Legal Beagle wrote:
Elgroundo wrote:
After living near new bank road for nearly 20 years I'm so happy I left Blackburn what's disgrace the town has now become I remember being able to go on the revidge run and having lots of laughs and some great memories
what was a nice multicultural area to live in when we moved there has become dangerous rathole that has been ruined I was talking to friends recently who still live in that area and it's got to the point where people are scared to leave there houses to go to the shop when it goes dark for fear of being attacked absolute disgrace shame on you Blackburn
I'm sorry Elgroundo, but I can't allow such an absurd comment to go unchallenged, at least if you're referring to the Revidge area. As I said, I've lived there for 40 years, and it's still a pleasant area to live in.

Whilst I may not feel `at home' amongst the Asian community they appear to be generally peaceful and neither I nor, so far as I am aware, any of my neighbours feel any apprehension at all walking to the shop before or after dark. I certainly feel far safer amongst the Asian community than I would walking around some of the `native' areas, such as Shadsworth.

Your description of the area as a `dangerous rathole that has been ruined' is insulting to those who live there and is so wildly inaccurate that I would have to question the veracity of the alleged comments made by your `friends'.
It is a rathole my friends have been mugged on new bank road. By white and Asian teens you must be walking around the area with your eyes shut there are more drug dealers hanging. around that area than there has ever been before when I lived there up till a couple of years ago I had my car broken into 5 times and my house 3 times my mother was mugged on Granville road my brother was threatened with a knife for his mobile phone on Adelaide terrace
[quote][p][bold]Legal Beagle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elgroundo[/bold] wrote: After living near new bank road for nearly 20 years I'm so happy I left Blackburn what's disgrace the town has now become I remember being able to go on the revidge run and having lots of laughs and some great memories what was a nice multicultural area to live in when we moved there has become dangerous rathole that has been ruined I was talking to friends recently who still live in that area and it's got to the point where people are scared to leave there houses to go to the shop when it goes dark for fear of being attacked absolute disgrace shame on you Blackburn[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Elgroundo, but I can't allow such an absurd comment to go unchallenged, at least if you're referring to the Revidge area. As I said, I've lived there for 40 years, and it's still a pleasant area to live in. Whilst I may not feel `at home' amongst the Asian community they appear to be generally peaceful and neither I nor, so far as I am aware, any of my neighbours feel any apprehension at all walking to the shop before or after dark. I certainly feel far safer amongst the Asian community than I would walking around some of the `native' areas, such as Shadsworth. Your description of the area as a `dangerous rathole that has been ruined' is insulting to those who live there and is so wildly inaccurate that I would have to question the veracity of the alleged comments made by your `friends'.[/p][/quote]It is a rathole my friends have been mugged on new bank road. By white and Asian teens you must be walking around the area with your eyes shut there are more drug dealers hanging. around that area than there has ever been before when I lived there up till a couple of years ago I had my car broken into 5 times and my house 3 times my mother was mugged on Granville road my brother was threatened with a knife for his mobile phone on Adelaide terrace Elgroundo
  • Score: 3

6:51pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Smiler1875 says...

Elgroundo wrote:
Legal Beagle wrote:
Elgroundo wrote:
After living near new bank road for nearly 20 years I'm so happy I left Blackburn what's disgrace the town has now become I remember being able to go on the revidge run and having lots of laughs and some great memories
what was a nice multicultural area to live in when we moved there has become dangerous rathole that has been ruined I was talking to friends recently who still live in that area and it's got to the point where people are scared to leave there houses to go to the shop when it goes dark for fear of being attacked absolute disgrace shame on you Blackburn
I'm sorry Elgroundo, but I can't allow such an absurd comment to go unchallenged, at least if you're referring to the Revidge area. As I said, I've lived there for 40 years, and it's still a pleasant area to live in.

Whilst I may not feel `at home' amongst the Asian community they appear to be generally peaceful and neither I nor, so far as I am aware, any of my neighbours feel any apprehension at all walking to the shop before or after dark. I certainly feel far safer amongst the Asian community than I would walking around some of the `native' areas, such as Shadsworth.

Your description of the area as a `dangerous rathole that has been ruined' is insulting to those who live there and is so wildly inaccurate that I would have to question the veracity of the alleged comments made by your `friends'.
It is a rathole my friends have been mugged on new bank road. By white and Asian teens you must be walking around the area with your eyes shut there are more drug dealers hanging. around that area than there has ever been before when I lived there up till a couple of years ago I had my car broken into 5 times and my house 3 times my mother was mugged on Granville road my brother was threatened with a knife for his mobile phone on Adelaide terrace
I have to agree with elgroundo I have experienced both the good and the bad sides to the area and the area is not what it use to be new bank road and the surrounding roads are left dirty and teenagers run riot around the streets I was on new bank road last week as a group on teenagers where being arrested for running around with knives and hammers and there was young man who was saying he was attacked by them but saying that I will not be forced out of a area I have lived in the area all my life and have some good friends in the Asian and the white community but the it is not the place I was brought up in
[quote][p][bold]Elgroundo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Legal Beagle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Elgroundo[/bold] wrote: After living near new bank road for nearly 20 years I'm so happy I left Blackburn what's disgrace the town has now become I remember being able to go on the revidge run and having lots of laughs and some great memories what was a nice multicultural area to live in when we moved there has become dangerous rathole that has been ruined I was talking to friends recently who still live in that area and it's got to the point where people are scared to leave there houses to go to the shop when it goes dark for fear of being attacked absolute disgrace shame on you Blackburn[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Elgroundo, but I can't allow such an absurd comment to go unchallenged, at least if you're referring to the Revidge area. As I said, I've lived there for 40 years, and it's still a pleasant area to live in. Whilst I may not feel `at home' amongst the Asian community they appear to be generally peaceful and neither I nor, so far as I am aware, any of my neighbours feel any apprehension at all walking to the shop before or after dark. I certainly feel far safer amongst the Asian community than I would walking around some of the `native' areas, such as Shadsworth. Your description of the area as a `dangerous rathole that has been ruined' is insulting to those who live there and is so wildly inaccurate that I would have to question the veracity of the alleged comments made by your `friends'.[/p][/quote]It is a rathole my friends have been mugged on new bank road. By white and Asian teens you must be walking around the area with your eyes shut there are more drug dealers hanging. around that area than there has ever been before when I lived there up till a couple of years ago I had my car broken into 5 times and my house 3 times my mother was mugged on Granville road my brother was threatened with a knife for his mobile phone on Adelaide terrace[/p][/quote]I have to agree with elgroundo I have experienced both the good and the bad sides to the area and the area is not what it use to be new bank road and the surrounding roads are left dirty and teenagers run riot around the streets I was on new bank road last week as a group on teenagers where being arrested for running around with knives and hammers and there was young man who was saying he was attacked by them but saying that I will not be forced out of a area I have lived in the area all my life and have some good friends in the Asian and the white community but the it is not the place I was brought up in Smiler1875
  • Score: 6

12:48pm Thu 26 Jun 14

kessuki says...

I personally wish the leamington rd mosque wasn't given permission to be built. I live a couple of doors away and the traffic, noise and pollution is infuriating.
I personally wish the leamington rd mosque wasn't given permission to be built. I live a couple of doors away and the traffic, noise and pollution is infuriating. kessuki
  • Score: 1

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