Debenhams tops Blackburn's shoplifting hotspots list again

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DEBENHAMS department store in Blackburn’s Mall shopping centre has topped a league table of the town’s shoplifting hotspots for the third year running.

Police were called out 109 times, more than twice a week, to deal with shoplifters during the 2013/2014 financial year. This marked an increase from 95 offences in the year before.

Shoplifting across Blackburn has increased over the past year, with 1,093 offences recorded in the year to March 2013, rising to 1,122 the following year.

Officers said in 74 per cent of cases shoplifters were caught in the act, and the most frequently targeted items include perfume and aftershave, clothing, razor blades, and alcohol.

But there has been a worrying trend of more food items being stolen. It is also thought that not all incidents are reported, especially low value items.

Figures released by Lancashire Police under Freedom of Information laws show the 20 town centre locations where shoplifting was most prolific.

Large supermarkets made up four of the top six hotspots for police call-outs, with ASDA in second place, Morrisons in third, and Tesco and Lidl in joint fifth place on the list. The fourth-placed spot was taken by the Boots store in The Mall.

Senior police have called on Debenhams to be more proactive in preventing theft, after officers spent almost four months of policing hours in the store last year.

Inspector Abid Khan said: “We find it difficult to engage with Debenhams. We’ve tried to contact senior managers to address the problem, and end up going round in circles.”

He said that store detectives focus on apprehending shoplifters once they attempt to leave the store with stolen goods, rather than discouraging them from stealing in the first place.

He added that police had also asked for the store to be redesigned from the current layout, where high value items are placed at the front of the store, but that their request was turned down.

Town centre Sergeant Nick Everett said: “There was a shop-frontage remodelling for Debenhams branches to increase footfall. High value items were placed five metres from the doorway. But we said to them it’s not conducive to crime prevention.”

The senior officers said that repeated visits to Debenhams were diverting officers from other jobs, and that if lower-level thefts were dealt with in store it could free up police time to deal with more serious offenders, and crackdown on organised gangs who come into East Lancashire to specifically target shops in the area.

Debenhams did not respond to repeated requests for a comment.

Burnley's flagship Tesco store in Finsley Gate topped a league table of the town’s shoplifting hotspots for the third year running.

Police were called out 66 times in the last financial year - up from 41 times the year before, after thieves were caught.

Figures released by Lancashire Police under Freedom of Information laws detail the twenty locations in Burnley where shoplifting is most prolific.

Fellow supermarket ASDA came in second, with officers called in 52 times, and and Marks and Spencer third place.

Across the Burnley area the number of incidents have been holding steady, with 569 offences reported between Apil 2013 and March this year, compared to 577 for the previous year.

Sergeant Rodger Crew, from Burnley police, said that from a police point of view, the preferred approach would be to prevent shop theives, rather than to detain and arrest them.

He said: “A lot of the big shops are a lot more proactive here. Security staff deter rather than arrest and detain, they’ll shoo them out of the shops or follow them round, and that’s a positive for us.

“If somebody is nicking something worth £2, £3, £4, or £5, and you have to go down the prosecution line, what’s the point?

“If it’s someone incredibly prolific then it is obvious we’ve got a crime as far as I’m concerned. But if it’s one child taking something small, there are ways of dealing with it.

“There’s fixed penalties, or taking them home to their parents first.

“They can prevent rather than catch and detain. It can take up a lot of police time processing people and booking them in.”

Town centre businesses have however come together through the Blackburn Business Improvement District (BID) to support policing in the town centre, and have provided funding for two additional PCSOs.

Tony Duckworth, from Blackburn with Darwen Chamber of Trade advocated stronger sentences for shop thieves, saying: “The criminal justice system treats them too leniently on many occasions.

“I would like them to have more extensive holidays at Her Majesty’s Pleasure than they currently have.”

And Suleman Khonat, from the National Federation of Newsagents, said: “In recent years the number of small thefts have increased.

“It does have an impact whether it’s a small theft or a big one. These days the profit margins are very, very little.”

Burnley MP Gordon Birtwistle agreed that there was a joint responsibility to act.

He said: “We’ve got to accept that we can’t have a policeman standing in every shop.

“Most big shops have store detectives, and small shops should maybe put up CCTV cameras to deter them.

“The shops should accept responsibility for looking after their own stock, but at the end of the day it’s theft, it’s against the law, and it’s the duty of the police to take them to court.”

Retailers said they were taking the issue seriously, and putting measures in place to address the problem.

Tesco spokesman Mark Thomas said: “Like many retailers across Blackburn, our stores are sometimes targeted by shoplifters. Each store works hard to ensure security measures are in place to prevent this and we work closely with the police on tackling crime.”

Morrisons General Manager John Brooksbank added: “Unfortunately supermarkets will always be a target for shoplifting and other types of anti-social behaviour.

“We train all our staff to be vigilant and work closely with the police to report crime and catch those responsible.”

An ASDA spokeswoman added: “We welcomed over one and a half million customers to our store in Lancashire over the past year yet instances of shoplifting are minimal.

"However, we do take the matter extremely seriously following up every incident with the Police. That’s why it’s important to report it so that we can continue to offer the low prices that customers expect from Asda."

Panel one: POLICE and businesses have several avenues available to them to deter and combat shoplifters.

Shops use a range of measures from store detectives to CCTV and cardboard cutouts of police officers to stop the thieves.

And those offenders who come before the courts can be dealt with in a number of ways.

Police can seek Asbo’s and Crasbo’s (criminal Asbo’s) to prevent thieves entering certain shops or areas.

Prolific shoplifter Diane Caswell was given an Asbo in October last year to stop her targetting retail outlets across East Lancashire.

The order will last for two years and Caswell will face up to five years in jail if she is caught breaching it.

Caswell has been barred from a total of 27 stores in Blackburn, Clitheroe, Nelson, Darwen and Accrington, and is not allowed to go into Blackburn's town centre shopping area unless it is for pre-arranged appointments.

And in December, Blackburn sisters Khalida Ahmed and Nazia Haq were banned from entering the town centre and Townsmoor retail park.

Ahmed, the more prolific shoplifter, is also banned from more than a dozen stores in Blackburn, Darwen, the Ribble Valley, Accrington and Burnley.

The sisters could be sent to prison if they even set foot in one of the shops.

Individual shops and shopping centres have also worked to address the problem, by setting up crime reduction partnerships, and implenting civil banning orders to keep prolific offenders away.

Blackburn’s Mall shopping centre has a whole list of people who are barred from entering the building.

Loraine Jones, General Manager at The Mall, Blackburn, said: “We have a fantastic team of professional, experienced security personnel here and we take part in a campaign called Detect and Deter, aimed at identifying offenders before they enter The Mall.

“We also work closely with our retailers to offer advice and support on an ongoing basis.”

Inspector Abid Khan added: “Lancashire isn’t a soft touch. Blackburn is one of the safest places to shop.”

Panel two: MANY hungry families across Lancashire are turning to shoplifting just to put food on the table.

Lancashire police believe the number of shoplifting cases has continued to rise because some people are stealing to feed themselves and their families.

And food bank staff said they knew of cases where families were looking to crime because they did not know where else to turn.

Cases that have passed through magistrates’ courts in the last year include a 27-year-old Blackburn woman who stole a tuna baguette worth £1.85 from Greggs, a Burnley man who took joints of meat from an ASDA store, and a 60-year-old man from Accrington who took instant mash and cheese worth just £4 from Iceland.

This week Grzegorz Kosow, 37, of Brownlow Street, Blackburn appeared before town magistrates for stealing ham worth £3.90 from Lidl.

The court heard he was unable to work following a vicious knife attack and stole the meat to eat because he was embarrassed to ask friends for further help.

Ros Duerden, from Blackburn food bank, said: “We’ve had a lady in the centre recently who was in trouble with the police because she’d stolen two packets of bacon and a packet of sausages to feed her kids.

“People are coming in who are desperate enough to do it.

“Do we really want somebody to get a criminal record because they want to food their family?”

Police officers said that while they could not comment on why people were turning to crime, those who were clearly motivated by poverty were being treated with compassion.

Blackburn town centre seargeant Nick Everett said: “We would take a very proportionate approach, that the officer felt was reasonable.

“We’ve got to ask the question why are they doing it?”

Inspector Abid Khan added: “We may make a PVP (potentially vulnerable person) referral, and review the support offered to the individual.

“Neighbourhood officers will go round and ask ‘have you got gas, and electricity, and food?’ “If we bring them in here and take them to court and they get a fine they can’t pay, then they go out and steal again. It doesn’t benefit anyone.”

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8:34am Sat 31 May 14

yyy's1 says...

Can Sgt Rodger Crew tell us how much a person is allowed to steal before they take up police time and get prosecuted?
And if Grzegorz Kosow isn't a British national then kick him out of the country.
The whole problem is we are too soft on crime as can be seen with the laughable sentences local magistrates dish out on a daily basis.
Can Sgt Rodger Crew tell us how much a person is allowed to steal before they take up police time and get prosecuted? And if Grzegorz Kosow isn't a British national then kick him out of the country. The whole problem is we are too soft on crime as can be seen with the laughable sentences local magistrates dish out on a daily basis. yyy's1
  • Score: 33

9:53am Sat 31 May 14

drunken donut says...

Like it or not Eastern Europeans are the biggest shoplifters, this is not racist it is a fact.
Like it or not Eastern Europeans are the biggest shoplifters, this is not racist it is a fact. drunken donut
  • Score: 41

9:56am Sat 31 May 14

ikap22 says...

yyy's1 wrote:
Can Sgt Rodger Crew tell us how much a person is allowed to steal before they take up police time and get prosecuted?
And if Grzegorz Kosow isn't a British national then kick him out of the country.
The whole problem is we are too soft on crime as can be seen with the laughable sentences local magistrates dish out on a daily basis.
Harsh comments.
[quote][p][bold]yyy's1[/bold] wrote: Can Sgt Rodger Crew tell us how much a person is allowed to steal before they take up police time and get prosecuted? And if Grzegorz Kosow isn't a British national then kick him out of the country. The whole problem is we are too soft on crime as can be seen with the laughable sentences local magistrates dish out on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]Harsh comments. ikap22
  • Score: -18

10:07am Sat 31 May 14

woolywords says...

ikap22 wrote:
yyy's1 wrote:
Can Sgt Rodger Crew tell us how much a person is allowed to steal before they take up police time and get prosecuted?
And if Grzegorz Kosow isn't a British national then kick him out of the country.
The whole problem is we are too soft on crime as can be seen with the laughable sentences local magistrates dish out on a daily basis.
Harsh comments.
Harsh but very true.
I've seen people being arrested in Morrisons around 10am, only to see them later the same day, selling stolen goods in the Postal Order.
(Apparently, if you make a full confession as soon as you're interviewed, you are nearly guaranteed to be bailed, almost immediately.)
The system for dealing with these people is entirely broken and needs a total rethink in how we give proper punishment and deterrent. We cannot continue as we are, with this almost farcical system that we have now.
[quote][p][bold]ikap22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yyy's1[/bold] wrote: Can Sgt Rodger Crew tell us how much a person is allowed to steal before they take up police time and get prosecuted? And if Grzegorz Kosow isn't a British national then kick him out of the country. The whole problem is we are too soft on crime as can be seen with the laughable sentences local magistrates dish out on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]Harsh comments.[/p][/quote]Harsh but very true. I've seen people being arrested in Morrisons around 10am, only to see them later the same day, selling stolen goods in the Postal Order. (Apparently, if you make a full confession as soon as you're interviewed, you are nearly guaranteed to be bailed, almost immediately.) The system for dealing with these people is entirely broken and needs a total rethink in how we give proper punishment and deterrent. We cannot continue as we are, with this almost farcical system that we have now. woolywords
  • Score: 28

10:32am Sat 31 May 14

IdontLIKEliars says...

The real reason that the police have taken to going to papers about problems in shoplifting is an attempt by them to publicly embarrass stores as they arent able to control crime. Its now out of their hands it would seem, not totally their fault as the cuts in officers has not helped.
I have worked in town centres for many years, including burnley, preston and blackburn. Shoplifting is a problem everywhere but is dealt with by the police so differently wherever you go. In burnley, if the value of the theft is below £50 the criminal is let go, in preston if the person is already known for theft then they are let go. What is the point in that!
Blackburn many years ago used to be a fantastic place to work as a store detective, the police were pro active, dealt with every reported theft, and engaged with local shops and got their point of view on things. Unfortunately now this is not the case, instead it has come to lancashire constabulary "bad mouthing" stores in papers. Well i would hate for someone to find out what the police have actually done when they attend reported thefts? Doesnt speak english??? Go away.
Children with them???
Go away.
Prolific thief and drug user?
Go away.

Who is Mr Khan to tell debenhams how to set their store out? Does he go into houses and tell people not to put their tv in their front room? I doubt it. Are debenhams not a victim of a crime?
I thought lancashire constabulary was victim focussed? Clearly im wrong.


The real reason the police have taken this approach is because they cannot actually control shoplifting or shoplifters.
If the store deters then they will go to a store who hasnt got security and steal from there without getting caught. The police wont be bothered then though as the crime figures will not go up.
The police MUST have been covering up how many reported shopliftings there were as it has always been a problem.

Who cares how much the theiving scum bag has stolen? A theft is a theft and should be dealt with that way.

The headline for this story should have been "POLICE CANT BE BOTHERED DEALING WITH SHOPLIFTERS ANYMORE"

Oh and if the clever police actually thought about it, they would see if offenders were dealt with properly in the first place by officers and the criminal justice system then they would see its actually their fault that crime is going up. Criminals are re offending due to being let off. No other reason.

So well done lancashire constabulary. You really have taught debenhams a lesson. Ha.
The real reason that the police have taken to going to papers about problems in shoplifting is an attempt by them to publicly embarrass stores as they arent able to control crime. Its now out of their hands it would seem, not totally their fault as the cuts in officers has not helped. I have worked in town centres for many years, including burnley, preston and blackburn. Shoplifting is a problem everywhere but is dealt with by the police so differently wherever you go. In burnley, if the value of the theft is below £50 the criminal is let go, in preston if the person is already known for theft then they are let go. What is the point in that! Blackburn many years ago used to be a fantastic place to work as a store detective, the police were pro active, dealt with every reported theft, and engaged with local shops and got their point of view on things. Unfortunately now this is not the case, instead it has come to lancashire constabulary "bad mouthing" stores in papers. Well i would hate for someone to find out what the police have actually done when they attend reported thefts? Doesnt speak english??? Go away. Children with them??? Go away. Prolific thief and drug user? Go away. Who is Mr Khan to tell debenhams how to set their store out? Does he go into houses and tell people not to put their tv in their front room? I doubt it. Are debenhams not a victim of a crime? I thought lancashire constabulary was victim focussed? Clearly im wrong. The real reason the police have taken this approach is because they cannot actually control shoplifting or shoplifters. If the store deters then they will go to a store who hasnt got security and steal from there without getting caught. The police wont be bothered then though as the crime figures will not go up. The police MUST have been covering up how many reported shopliftings there were as it has always been a problem. Who cares how much the theiving scum bag has stolen? A theft is a theft and should be dealt with that way. The headline for this story should have been "POLICE CANT BE BOTHERED DEALING WITH SHOPLIFTERS ANYMORE" Oh and if the clever police actually thought about it, they would see if offenders were dealt with properly in the first place by officers and the criminal justice system then they would see its actually their fault that crime is going up. Criminals are re offending due to being let off. No other reason. So well done lancashire constabulary. You really have taught debenhams a lesson. Ha. IdontLIKEliars
  • Score: 32

10:34am Sat 31 May 14

IdontLIKEliars says...

IdontLIKEliars wrote:
The real reason that the police have taken to going to papers about problems in shoplifting is an attempt by them to publicly embarrass stores as they arent able to control crime. Its now out of their hands it would seem, not totally their fault as the cuts in officers has not helped.
I have worked in town centres for many years, including burnley, preston and blackburn. Shoplifting is a problem everywhere but is dealt with by the police so differently wherever you go. In burnley, if the value of the theft is below £50 the criminal is let go, in preston if the person is already known for theft then they are let go. What is the point in that!
Blackburn many years ago used to be a fantastic place to work as a store detective, the police were pro active, dealt with every reported theft, and engaged with local shops and got their point of view on things. Unfortunately now this is not the case, instead it has come to lancashire constabulary "bad mouthing" stores in papers. Well i would hate for someone to find out what the police have actually done when they attend reported thefts? Doesnt speak english??? Go away.
Children with them???
Go away.
Prolific thief and drug user?
Go away.

Who is Mr Khan to tell debenhams how to set their store out? Does he go into houses and tell people not to put their tv in their front room? I doubt it. Are debenhams not a victim of a crime?
I thought lancashire constabulary was victim focussed? Clearly im wrong.


The real reason the police have taken this approach is because they cannot actually control shoplifting or shoplifters.
If the store deters then they will go to a store who hasnt got security and steal from there without getting caught. The police wont be bothered then though as the crime figures will not go up.
The police MUST have been covering up how many reported shopliftings there were as it has always been a problem.

Who cares how much the theiving scum bag has stolen? A theft is a theft and should be dealt with that way.

The headline for this story should have been "POLICE CANT BE BOTHERED DEALING WITH SHOPLIFTERS ANYMORE"

Oh and if the clever police actually thought about it, they would see if offenders were dealt with properly in the first place by officers and the criminal justice system then they would see its actually their fault that crime is going up. Criminals are re offending due to being let off. No other reason.

So well done lancashire constabulary. You really have taught debenhams a lesson. Ha.
I urge the telegraph to get a comment off the police on this, doubt they will be so vocal when the shoe is on the other foot.
[quote][p][bold]IdontLIKEliars[/bold] wrote: The real reason that the police have taken to going to papers about problems in shoplifting is an attempt by them to publicly embarrass stores as they arent able to control crime. Its now out of their hands it would seem, not totally their fault as the cuts in officers has not helped. I have worked in town centres for many years, including burnley, preston and blackburn. Shoplifting is a problem everywhere but is dealt with by the police so differently wherever you go. In burnley, if the value of the theft is below £50 the criminal is let go, in preston if the person is already known for theft then they are let go. What is the point in that! Blackburn many years ago used to be a fantastic place to work as a store detective, the police were pro active, dealt with every reported theft, and engaged with local shops and got their point of view on things. Unfortunately now this is not the case, instead it has come to lancashire constabulary "bad mouthing" stores in papers. Well i would hate for someone to find out what the police have actually done when they attend reported thefts? Doesnt speak english??? Go away. Children with them??? Go away. Prolific thief and drug user? Go away. Who is Mr Khan to tell debenhams how to set their store out? Does he go into houses and tell people not to put their tv in their front room? I doubt it. Are debenhams not a victim of a crime? I thought lancashire constabulary was victim focussed? Clearly im wrong. The real reason the police have taken this approach is because they cannot actually control shoplifting or shoplifters. If the store deters then they will go to a store who hasnt got security and steal from there without getting caught. The police wont be bothered then though as the crime figures will not go up. The police MUST have been covering up how many reported shopliftings there were as it has always been a problem. Who cares how much the theiving scum bag has stolen? A theft is a theft and should be dealt with that way. The headline for this story should have been "POLICE CANT BE BOTHERED DEALING WITH SHOPLIFTERS ANYMORE" Oh and if the clever police actually thought about it, they would see if offenders were dealt with properly in the first place by officers and the criminal justice system then they would see its actually their fault that crime is going up. Criminals are re offending due to being let off. No other reason. So well done lancashire constabulary. You really have taught debenhams a lesson. Ha.[/p][/quote]I urge the telegraph to get a comment off the police on this, doubt they will be so vocal when the shoe is on the other foot. IdontLIKEliars
  • Score: 31

10:48am Sat 31 May 14

fakeposter123 says...

Drugs are the problem, people steel to fund drug habits. They steal food to sell for money, not to eat. They are too embarrassed and ashamed to admit it and blame services for not giving them money, or they 'were forced to eat to survive' and so on. Nobody in this country goes without money, a roof over the head or access to food, its all there as a welfare state. As i commented in the Asian gold theft post yesterday, the root of many of the crime problems in this town are to be laid at the feet of Asian communities who peddle class A drugs of crack cocaine and heroin and encourage the crime merry go round. If drugs wernt available so easily, people wouldn't steal to buy them.
Again, access information to discover the names of the people convicted in the courts of selling class A drugs should you need proof. But to be fair, I as an ex drug user for 20 yrs and now a drug key worker over the last 10 yrs can tell you 1st hand what the problems are, facts are facts. Address the people that are pushing the drugs, stop them doing it and you will see a reduction in crime. If you want to find these people, they are typically the ones driving the £50,000+ Mercedes and BMW's, not too difficult to spot in Blackburn. But, if there own communities who see them driving around and flashing money around dont do/say anything to discourage them why would they stop?? Its an issue from the top to the bottom, the elders to the kids and everybody in between needs to be challenged about the behavior of the Asian drug dealers. Start there...
Drugs are the problem, people steel to fund drug habits. They steal food to sell for money, not to eat. They are too embarrassed and ashamed to admit it and blame services for not giving them money, or they 'were forced to eat to survive' and so on. Nobody in this country goes without money, a roof over the head or access to food, its all there as a welfare state. As i commented in the Asian gold theft post yesterday, the root of many of the crime problems in this town are to be laid at the feet of Asian communities who peddle class A drugs of crack cocaine and heroin and encourage the crime merry go round. If drugs wernt available so easily, people wouldn't steal to buy them. Again, access information to discover the names of the people convicted in the courts of selling class A drugs should you need proof. But to be fair, I as an ex drug user for 20 yrs and now a drug key worker over the last 10 yrs can tell you 1st hand what the problems are, facts are facts. Address the people that are pushing the drugs, stop them doing it and you will see a reduction in crime. If you want to find these people, they are typically the ones driving the £50,000+ Mercedes and BMW's, not too difficult to spot in Blackburn. But, if there own communities who see them driving around and flashing money around dont do/say anything to discourage them why would they stop?? Its an issue from the top to the bottom, the elders to the kids and everybody in between needs to be challenged about the behavior of the Asian drug dealers. Start there... fakeposter123
  • Score: 29

11:06am Sat 31 May 14

fakeposter123 says...

Actually Lancashire Telegraph, this is a topic for you, access freedom of information act and give us all the breakdown of crimes in relation to ethnic background and the percentages of crime figures, etc, etc, crash for cash, drug dealing, grooming, fraud and so on we all know what the figures will say.
But, because of political correctness and being labelled 'racist' this is likely to never be addressed, in the meantime the problem grows and grows and grows
We got problems with crime now.......you've got no idea what is going to happen over the next 10 yrs, you wont want to live in Blackburn that's for sure.
Dont get me wrong, I know drugs are not a new phenomenon or largely caused by Asians, but facts are facts and the situation as it stands today in Blackburn is undeniable.
People from Asian communities are over-represented at almost all stages of the criminal justice process, more likely to be imprisoned and more likely to be imprisoned for longer than white British people due to the nature of the serious crime that they are involved in.
I am not a racist either before anybody starts, I've got plenty of Asian friends but I also have a lot of knowledge & experience in these matters
Actually Lancashire Telegraph, this is a topic for you, access freedom of information act and give us all the breakdown of crimes in relation to ethnic background and the percentages of crime figures, etc, etc, crash for cash, drug dealing, grooming, fraud and so on we all know what the figures will say. But, because of political correctness and being labelled 'racist' this is likely to never be addressed, in the meantime the problem grows and grows and grows We got problems with crime now.......you've got no idea what is going to happen over the next 10 yrs, you wont want to live in Blackburn that's for sure. Dont get me wrong, I know drugs are not a new phenomenon or largely caused by Asians, but facts are facts and the situation as it stands today in Blackburn is undeniable. People from Asian communities are over-represented at almost all stages of the criminal justice process, more likely to be imprisoned and more likely to be imprisoned for longer than white British people due to the nature of the serious crime that they are involved in. I am not a racist either before anybody starts, I've got plenty of Asian friends but I also have a lot of knowledge & experience in these matters fakeposter123
  • Score: 18

11:22am Sat 31 May 14

fakeposter123 says...

How funny, timing was perfect, 1 minute after making that post I had a call from 'Omar' from 'Phoenix Claims' in Nelson, (east lancs all the same), about the crash I had last week and do I want to process a claim...the fact I never had a crash didn't seem to bother him......I would say it is unbelievable...but its not is it?
How funny, timing was perfect, 1 minute after making that post I had a call from 'Omar' from 'Phoenix Claims' in Nelson, (east lancs all the same), about the crash I had last week and do I want to process a claim...the fact I never had a crash didn't seem to bother him......I would say it is unbelievable...but its not is it? fakeposter123
  • Score: 15

11:47am Sat 31 May 14

woolywords says...

People from Asian communities are over-represented at almost all stages of the criminal justice process, more likely to be imprisoned and more likely to be imprisoned for longer than white British people due to the nature of the serious crime that they are involved in.
It is not racist to state such things, when there is ample evidence to back this assertion, which can be found in figures that are collected from prisons themselves then published in House of Commons reports to Ministers.
Here is the report from the year 2013..
http://tinyurl.com/k
uexnha
Pages 10/11, (when viewed in pdf format) make for stark reading, when compared to the percentage that some groups make as part of the total population of England.
Although, expecting the Asian community to police itself is a bit of a non-starter and wholly unrealistic, as it is within any racial group.
Am all for quoting facts and figures but then to twist them to suit an opinion is wholly wrong. As in, only 15% of all burglaries get detected; does this mean that the police are incompetent or just that, persistent burglars are more forensically aware?
People from Asian communities are over-represented at almost all stages of the criminal justice process, more likely to be imprisoned and more likely to be imprisoned for longer than white British people due to the nature of the serious crime that they are involved in. It is not racist to state such things, when there is ample evidence to back this assertion, which can be found in figures that are collected from prisons themselves then published in House of Commons reports to Ministers. Here is the report from the year 2013.. http://tinyurl.com/k uexnha Pages 10/11, (when viewed in pdf format) make for stark reading, when compared to the percentage that some groups make as part of the total population of England. Although, expecting the Asian community to police itself is a bit of a non-starter and wholly unrealistic, as it is within any racial group. Am all for quoting facts and figures but then to twist them to suit an opinion is wholly wrong. As in, only 15% of all burglaries get detected; does this mean that the police are incompetent or just that, persistent burglars are more forensically aware? woolywords
  • Score: -8

11:59am Sat 31 May 14

fakeposter123 says...

Both incompetent and forensically aware and people often get off charges/offences on legal technicalities.
White Europeans police themselves wherever possible. If anybody who was known not to have a full time job but had pockets full of cash and a flash car etc, turned up in my area then they wouldn't be well received and would be outcast & not welcome, not admired for their resourcefulness.
Both incompetent and forensically aware and people often get off charges/offences on legal technicalities. White Europeans police themselves wherever possible. If anybody who was known not to have a full time job but had pockets full of cash and a flash car etc, turned up in my area then they wouldn't be well received and would be outcast & not welcome, not admired for their resourcefulness. fakeposter123
  • Score: 7

1:33pm Sat 31 May 14

phil kernot says...

Something to be proud of in Blackburn ,,, disgusting how the justice system turns a blind eye to these low life's ,,, I thought it said best places to shop in Blackburn ,,, they should be dragged down alleyways and given a good kicking ,,,,
Something to be proud of in Blackburn ,,, disgusting how the justice system turns a blind eye to these low life's ,,, I thought it said best places to shop in Blackburn ,,, they should be dragged down alleyways and given a good kicking ,,,, phil kernot
  • Score: 6

5:00pm Sat 31 May 14

woolywords says...

phil kernot wrote:
Something to be proud of in Blackburn ,,, disgusting how the justice system turns a blind eye to these low life's ,,, I thought it said best places to shop in Blackburn ,,, they should be dragged down alleyways and given a good kicking ,,,,
The thing is, if we have no faith in the justice system, to take care of the citizenry, therein lies the road to anarchy, with mob rule, meting out justice, as they see fit.
My their Gods protect the dog walkers in our parks, as I for see lynch mobs...
[quote][p][bold]phil kernot[/bold] wrote: Something to be proud of in Blackburn ,,, disgusting how the justice system turns a blind eye to these low life's ,,, I thought it said best places to shop in Blackburn ,,, they should be dragged down alleyways and given a good kicking ,,,,[/p][/quote]The thing is, if we have no faith in the justice system, to take care of the citizenry, therein lies the road to anarchy, with mob rule, meting out justice, as they see fit. My their Gods protect the dog walkers in our parks, as I for see lynch mobs... woolywords
  • Score: -9

5:43pm Sat 31 May 14

woolywords says...

when you vote me down; don't you have an assertive point to make in doing that, or much prefer to be, anonymous?
you do know that; it is entirely possible for me to fake my name, as many do here, to garnish the same fake votes..

As far as I am concerned, I try to present a near balanced view of what is, ostensibly, the white view, and if you cannot hack it, feel free to say so and not hide, in some garret or other, tippy-tapping, a vote.

tesco.net allows me 5
virgin media allows me 12
myway (as a shareholder) allows me, unlimited
and, my dear old yahoo.ca, 6

want to play, who can vote the most here?
You idiosyncratic ways, only invite the hacking of this website,
to gain a control that you will never experience in life.
Am Wooly, my name is legend in the hacking world.
I used to wear a black woolyhat..
http://www.pctools.c
om/security-news/bla
ckhat-hacker/

I loaned my phone to Trevor, who works for LT,
and,. before him, Paul..
and by that, cracked, the back door of their phones...
Need I say more?

Just imagine the perverse power of it, insert an hyphen, where one need not exist, to reduce the impact of their words?
It would make you, a near God..

However, on Monday, am going to their offices, to instruct them, about column inches and Word settings. So as to get rid of those hyphens, that have sneaked in here, without a passport, much to the annoyance of our friends.
Hyphens, a Greek thing, with no place here
when you vote me down; don't you have an assertive point to make in doing that, or much prefer to be, anonymous? you do know that; it is entirely possible for me to fake my name, as many do here, to garnish the same fake votes.. As far as I am concerned, I try to present a near balanced view of what is, ostensibly, the white view, and if you cannot hack it, feel free to say so and not hide, in some garret or other, tippy-tapping, a vote. tesco.net allows me 5 virgin media allows me 12 myway (as a shareholder) allows me, unlimited and, my dear old yahoo.ca, 6 want to play, who can vote the most here? You idiosyncratic ways, only invite the hacking of this website, to gain a control that you will never experience in life. Am Wooly, my name is legend in the hacking world. I used to wear a black woolyhat.. http://www.pctools.c om/security-news/bla ckhat-hacker/ I loaned my phone to Trevor, who works for LT, and,. before him, Paul.. and by that, cracked, the back door of their phones... Need I say more? Just imagine the perverse power of it, insert an hyphen, where one need not exist, to reduce the impact of their words? It would make you, a near God.. However, on Monday, am going to their offices, to instruct them, about column inches and Word settings. So as to get rid of those hyphens, that have sneaked in here, without a passport, much to the annoyance of our friends. Hyphens, a Greek thing, with no place here woolywords
  • Score: -8

7:28pm Sat 31 May 14

ikap22 says...

After reading the story one must feel sorry for the buggers, but reading the comments above I think its the law that needs changing. They should deport all foreign born criminals back to their homeland. Any one found stealing Instead of a slap on the wrist, the perpetrators should be made to work 23 hours hard labour with one meal a day. Let them sleep on the floor. Any one committing serious offence should be locked up in a container with out food. Guaranteed to cut Britons street crime.
After reading the story one must feel sorry for the buggers, but reading the comments above I think its the law that needs changing. They should deport all foreign born criminals back to their homeland. Any one found stealing Instead of a slap on the wrist, the perpetrators should be made to work 23 hours hard labour with one meal a day. Let them sleep on the floor. Any one committing serious offence should be locked up in a container with out food. Guaranteed to cut Britons street crime. ikap22
  • Score: 7

9:47pm Sat 31 May 14

Steven11 says...

ikap22 wrote:
After reading the story one must feel sorry for the buggers, but reading the comments above I think its the law that needs changing. They should deport all foreign born criminals back to their homeland. Any one found stealing Instead of a slap on the wrist, the perpetrators should be made to work 23 hours hard labour with one meal a day. Let them sleep on the floor. Any one committing serious offence should be locked up in a container with out food. Guaranteed to cut Britons street crime.
Why do I find myself agreeing with you , I don't know but I certainly do here .
[quote][p][bold]ikap22[/bold] wrote: After reading the story one must feel sorry for the buggers, but reading the comments above I think its the law that needs changing. They should deport all foreign born criminals back to their homeland. Any one found stealing Instead of a slap on the wrist, the perpetrators should be made to work 23 hours hard labour with one meal a day. Let them sleep on the floor. Any one committing serious offence should be locked up in a container with out food. Guaranteed to cut Britons street crime.[/p][/quote]Why do I find myself agreeing with you , I don't know but I certainly do here . Steven11
  • Score: 7

8:58am Sun 1 Jun 14

ste6976 says...

Like Idontlikeliars states how can anyone tell a shopwhere to put their stock and nowadays it's all about promotion and sales and if the thieving scum want to come into a store and try and help themselves then it's the store securities job to stop them. If Debenham store detectives are catching the thieves which they obviously are then they are doing it and **** well to have that amount of calls to the police. I have also worked Blackburn town centre as security and I know the so called Diane caswell and she is a nasty little piece of work who deserves to be named shamed and her pic put up in every hop window in Lancashire just so everyone knows her. I used to work in Blackburn a few years back and once had a bloke come into the shop I was working took an almost see through bag out of his pocket and started filling it with cd's about 37 in total he then looked up at the cctv gave the middle finger then went to walk out but I had already called for other security to stop him. As he left the store he was stopped by one of the town centre police officers and three other security officers and escorted him back into the store. Then he lost it he threw himself into the display unit and started to attack the police and security officers and it took 6 fully trained men to control him. He got a CAUTION for it. Utter madness. So good on you Debenham keep calling them and keep up the good work.
Like Idontlikeliars states how can anyone tell a shopwhere to put their stock and nowadays it's all about promotion and sales and if the thieving scum want to come into a store and try and help themselves then it's the store securities job to stop them. If Debenham store detectives are catching the thieves which they obviously are then they are doing it and **** well to have that amount of calls to the police. I have also worked Blackburn town centre as security and I know the so called Diane caswell and she is a nasty little piece of work who deserves to be named shamed and her pic put up in every hop window in Lancashire just so everyone knows her. I used to work in Blackburn a few years back and once had a bloke come into the shop I was working took an almost see through bag out of his pocket and started filling it with cd's about 37 in total he then looked up at the cctv gave the middle finger then went to walk out but I had already called for other security to stop him. As he left the store he was stopped by one of the town centre police officers and three other security officers and escorted him back into the store. Then he lost it he threw himself into the display unit and started to attack the police and security officers and it took 6 fully trained men to control him. He got a CAUTION for it. Utter madness. So good on you Debenham keep calling them and keep up the good work. ste6976
  • Score: 10

10:33am Sun 1 Jun 14

ikap22 says...

ste6976 wrote:
Like Idontlikeliars states how can anyone tell a shopwhere to put their stock and nowadays it's all about promotion and sales and if the thieving scum want to come into a store and try and help themselves then it's the store securities job to stop them. If Debenham store detectives are catching the thieves which they obviously are then they are doing it and **** well to have that amount of calls to the police. I have also worked Blackburn town centre as security and I know the so called Diane caswell and she is a nasty little piece of work who deserves to be named shamed and her pic put up in every hop window in Lancashire just so everyone knows her. I used to work in Blackburn a few years back and once had a bloke come into the shop I was working took an almost see through bag out of his pocket and started filling it with cd's about 37 in total he then looked up at the cctv gave the middle finger then went to walk out but I had already called for other security to stop him. As he left the store he was stopped by one of the town centre police officers and three other security officers and escorted him back into the store. Then he lost it he threw himself into the display unit and started to attack the police and security officers and it took 6 fully trained men to control him. He got a CAUTION for it. Utter madness. So good on you Debenham keep calling them and keep up the good work.
Not much of men if they can't apprehend one scum, especially 6 verses 1.
[quote][p][bold]ste6976[/bold] wrote: Like Idontlikeliars states how can anyone tell a shopwhere to put their stock and nowadays it's all about promotion and sales and if the thieving scum want to come into a store and try and help themselves then it's the store securities job to stop them. If Debenham store detectives are catching the thieves which they obviously are then they are doing it and **** well to have that amount of calls to the police. I have also worked Blackburn town centre as security and I know the so called Diane caswell and she is a nasty little piece of work who deserves to be named shamed and her pic put up in every hop window in Lancashire just so everyone knows her. I used to work in Blackburn a few years back and once had a bloke come into the shop I was working took an almost see through bag out of his pocket and started filling it with cd's about 37 in total he then looked up at the cctv gave the middle finger then went to walk out but I had already called for other security to stop him. As he left the store he was stopped by one of the town centre police officers and three other security officers and escorted him back into the store. Then he lost it he threw himself into the display unit and started to attack the police and security officers and it took 6 fully trained men to control him. He got a CAUTION for it. Utter madness. So good on you Debenham keep calling them and keep up the good work.[/p][/quote]Not much of men if they can't apprehend one scum, especially 6 verses 1. ikap22
  • Score: -4

3:03pm Sun 1 Jun 14

AnthonyUK says...

immigrants who commit crime in the uk should be deported family and all back to their own country no human rights no bs no dogooding just do the bloody thing shackled and handcuffed onto a armed guard plane.
immigrants who commit crime in the uk should be deported family and all back to their own country no human rights no bs no dogooding just do the bloody thing shackled and handcuffed onto a armed guard plane. AnthonyUK
  • Score: 7

3:11pm Mon 2 Jun 14

j mcann says...

woolywords wrote:
when you vote me down; don't you have an assertive point to make in doing that, or much prefer to be, anonymous?
you do know that; it is entirely possible for me to fake my name, as many do here, to garnish the same fake votes..

As far as I am concerned, I try to present a near balanced view of what is, ostensibly, the white view, and if you cannot hack it, feel free to say so and not hide, in some garret or other, tippy-tapping, a vote.

tesco.net allows me 5
virgin media allows me 12
myway (as a shareholder) allows me, unlimited
and, my dear old yahoo.ca, 6

want to play, who can vote the most here?
You idiosyncratic ways, only invite the hacking of this website,
to gain a control that you will never experience in life.
Am Wooly, my name is legend in the hacking world.
I used to wear a black woolyhat..
http://www.pctools.c

om/security-news/bla

ckhat-hacker/

I loaned my phone to Trevor, who works for LT,
and,. before him, Paul..
and by that, cracked, the back door of their phones...
Need I say more?

Just imagine the perverse power of it, insert an hyphen, where one need not exist, to reduce the impact of their words?
It would make you, a near God..

However, on Monday, am going to their offices, to instruct them, about column inches and Word settings. So as to get rid of those hyphens, that have sneaked in here, without a passport, much to the annoyance of our friends.
Hyphens, a Greek thing, with no place here
Get a life, Sad B******.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: when you vote me down; don't you have an assertive point to make in doing that, or much prefer to be, anonymous? you do know that; it is entirely possible for me to fake my name, as many do here, to garnish the same fake votes.. As far as I am concerned, I try to present a near balanced view of what is, ostensibly, the white view, and if you cannot hack it, feel free to say so and not hide, in some garret or other, tippy-tapping, a vote. tesco.net allows me 5 virgin media allows me 12 myway (as a shareholder) allows me, unlimited and, my dear old yahoo.ca, 6 want to play, who can vote the most here? You idiosyncratic ways, only invite the hacking of this website, to gain a control that you will never experience in life. Am Wooly, my name is legend in the hacking world. I used to wear a black woolyhat.. http://www.pctools.c om/security-news/bla ckhat-hacker/ I loaned my phone to Trevor, who works for LT, and,. before him, Paul.. and by that, cracked, the back door of their phones... Need I say more? Just imagine the perverse power of it, insert an hyphen, where one need not exist, to reduce the impact of their words? It would make you, a near God.. However, on Monday, am going to their offices, to instruct them, about column inches and Word settings. So as to get rid of those hyphens, that have sneaked in here, without a passport, much to the annoyance of our friends. Hyphens, a Greek thing, with no place here[/p][/quote]Get a life, Sad B******. j mcann
  • Score: 5

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