Labour MP: More female Asian councillors needed in East Lancashire

Labour’s Harriet Harman holds a meeting at La Dolce Vita in Colne, with older women from across Pendle to listen to their experiences as part of her work with the Older Women’s Commission

Labour’s Harriet Harman holds a meeting at La Dolce Vita in Colne, with older women from across Pendle to listen to their experiences as part of her work with the Older Women’s Commission

First published in News Blackburn Citizen: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

A SENIOR Labour politician has said that more needs to be done to address the problem of a lack of female Asian councillors in East Lancashire.

Harriet Harman, who is shadow deputy prime minister, visited La Dolce Vita cafe, in Colne, to hold a listening panel event for older women.

Women raised issues including how older women are discriminated against in the media and how it has become increasingly difficult since the recession for older women who are made redundant to find work.

Speaking after the meeting she suggested an all-women shortlist system used to select some parliamentary candidates should be implemented in council areas where there are problems with proportionate representation.

Currently there is not a single Asian woman on Blackburn with Darwen council, the county or any of the five boroughs in the area — Burnley, Pendle, Rossendale, Hyndburn, or Ribble Valley.

She said: “We want our councils and we want parliament to be representative.

“Asian women in local communities need to know that their voice is being heard.

“Where there’s an under-representation we need to take quite firm measures. People don’t like it because it feels like it’s interfering with choice, but we’ve got to do it where it’s the only thing that’s going to work because it will do good in the end.”

Blackburn MP Jack Straw backed the idea. He said: “I very strongly agree that this is needed.

“Thanks to Harriet’s leadership over the past twenty years we’ve got more women coming forward for parliament, there still aren’t enough, but we can see parliament getting better.

“But there is still a particular problem getting Asian women into council seats, and as we have done nationally, I think all-women shortlists will almost certainly be nec- essary.”

Rossendale and Darwen’s Conservative MP Jake Berry said it was up to the Labour Party how they chose to select candidates, but said he did not agree with all-women shortlists.

He said: “I don’t think all-women shortlists is the way to go.

“The Conservative Party has the women to women organisation that works actively in East Lancashire, and I’ve supported their work locally. I think we have some excellent women Conservative councillors in my constituency, who make great role models for other women.”

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5:11pm Thu 22 May 14

burner says...

NO !!!!! NOT female, NOT Asian, NOT Chinese , , , , , the BEST PERSON, the BEST CANDIDATE !!!
NO !!!!! NOT female, NOT Asian, NOT Chinese , , , , , the BEST PERSON, the BEST CANDIDATE !!! burner
  • Score: 44

5:57pm Thu 22 May 14

Bluelizzy says...

Giving preference to Asian women would be both racist and sexist. Preference must be to the best candidate regardless.
Giving preference to Asian women would be both racist and sexist. Preference must be to the best candidate regardless. Bluelizzy
  • Score: 38

6:56pm Thu 22 May 14

Give_Kean_A_Chance says...

Why Asian? Why female? What a pathetic statement. Appealing to the minorities for their votes no doubt. I used to think is was the best person for the job. But not anymore. It's a joke. Pathetic. What is this place coming to?
Why Asian? Why female? What a pathetic statement. Appealing to the minorities for their votes no doubt. I used to think is was the best person for the job. But not anymore. It's a joke. Pathetic. What is this place coming to? Give_Kean_A_Chance
  • Score: 33

6:57pm Thu 22 May 14

HelmshoreBoy says...

Harriet Harman is the Deputy Leader of the Labour party, not the shadow deputy prime minister. There is no such position. Ignoramous'.
Harriet Harman is the Deputy Leader of the Labour party, not the shadow deputy prime minister. There is no such position. Ignoramous'. HelmshoreBoy
  • Score: 21

8:51pm Thu 22 May 14

peely says...

If we called for more white middle aged men we ,d be called racists ! Yet she can call for more Asian women ! Crazy ! One rule for one and one rule for the rest of us - she,s a nutter !
If we called for more white middle aged men we ,d be called racists ! Yet she can call for more Asian women ! Crazy ! One rule for one and one rule for the rest of us - she,s a nutter ! peely
  • Score: 26

10:15pm Thu 22 May 14

Excluded again says...

Many of the above comments assume that the best people are getting all the positions as Councillors now. I guess this a welcome change from the frequent comments that many Councillors are useless.

As there are currently no Asian women Councillors in East Lancashire, the above comments also assume that no Asian woman is better than the worst of the existing Councillors. And as there are around 60 Asian male Councillors, the best potential Asian woman Councillor has at least 60 Asian men better than her. Both arguments beggar belief.

Something is happening that is preventing the best person getting a Council seat on those occasions when the best person could be an Asian woman. And that needs to change.
Many of the above comments assume that the best people are getting all the positions as Councillors now. I guess this a welcome change from the frequent comments that many Councillors are useless. As there are currently no Asian women Councillors in East Lancashire, the above comments also assume that no Asian woman is better than the worst of the existing Councillors. And as there are around 60 Asian male Councillors, the best potential Asian woman Councillor has at least 60 Asian men better than her. Both arguments beggar belief. Something is happening that is preventing the best person getting a Council seat on those occasions when the best person could be an Asian woman. And that needs to change. Excluded again
  • Score: -7

10:25pm Thu 22 May 14

wilddog says...

Why dont they look within their communities as to why they have no Asian women coming forward. I know why but if i post it, it will be classed as racist! In my community, women are treated as an equal and not ignored!
Why dont they look within their communities as to why they have no Asian women coming forward. I know why but if i post it, it will be classed as racist! In my community, women are treated as an equal and not ignored! wilddog
  • Score: 17

11:04pm Thu 22 May 14

Good call says...

I thought that people shouldn't bring race and ethnicity into politics, or does that only apply to the white working class people who are completely disillusioned with the state of the nation.
I thought that people shouldn't bring race and ethnicity into politics, or does that only apply to the white working class people who are completely disillusioned with the state of the nation. Good call
  • Score: 15

11:46pm Thu 22 May 14

burner says...

wilddog wrote:
Why dont they look within their communities as to why they have no Asian women coming forward. I know why but if i post it, it will be classed as racist! In my community, women are treated as an equal and not ignored!
Very true . . . look at the "Happy" Iranian arrests this week !!!
[quote][p][bold]wilddog[/bold] wrote: Why dont they look within their communities as to why they have no Asian women coming forward. I know why but if i post it, it will be classed as racist! In my community, women are treated as an equal and not ignored![/p][/quote]Very true . . . look at the "Happy" Iranian arrests this week !!! burner
  • Score: 15

12:19am Fri 23 May 14

ikap22 says...

wilddog wrote:
Why dont they look within their communities as to why they have no Asian women coming forward. I know why but if i post it, it will be classed as racist! In my community, women are treated as an equal and not ignored!
Which community is yours simpleton?
[quote][p][bold]wilddog[/bold] wrote: Why dont they look within their communities as to why they have no Asian women coming forward. I know why but if i post it, it will be classed as racist! In my community, women are treated as an equal and not ignored![/p][/quote]Which community is yours simpleton? ikap22
  • Score: -18

6:25am Fri 23 May 14

slammer says...

Why not a black lesbian transgendered jew, just to show that you loooove diversity?
Will you please just once have a look around at the trainwreck other countries and political parties have gonnen into where a "quota" for minorities/women/rel
igious/gay/disabled has been implemented.
Why not a black lesbian transgendered jew, just to show that you loooove diversity? Will you please just once have a look around at the trainwreck other countries and political parties have gonnen into where a "quota" for minorities/women/rel igious/gay/disabled has been implemented. slammer
  • Score: 12

7:21am Fri 23 May 14

BuckoTheMoose says...

Excluded again wrote:
Many of the above comments assume that the best people are getting all the positions as Councillors now. I guess this a welcome change from the frequent comments that many Councillors are useless.

As there are currently no Asian women Councillors in East Lancashire, the above comments also assume that no Asian woman is better than the worst of the existing Councillors. And as there are around 60 Asian male Councillors, the best potential Asian woman Councillor has at least 60 Asian men better than her. Both arguments beggar belief.

Something is happening that is preventing the best person getting a Council seat on those occasions when the best person could be an Asian woman. And that needs to change.
It isn't that all the current councillors are better than Asian women. It's that no Asian women who are right for the job have actually asked to do the job.

It's alright saying we need Asian women, but if none actually want the job, what are you going to do, force them?

There are no barriers to entry, no glass ceiling and no discrimination. If Asian women want to be councillors, they have every right to try. If they are good, they will make it.

We shoudn't interfere with that. It may be called positive discrimination, but it's still discrimination.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: Many of the above comments assume that the best people are getting all the positions as Councillors now. I guess this a welcome change from the frequent comments that many Councillors are useless. As there are currently no Asian women Councillors in East Lancashire, the above comments also assume that no Asian woman is better than the worst of the existing Councillors. And as there are around 60 Asian male Councillors, the best potential Asian woman Councillor has at least 60 Asian men better than her. Both arguments beggar belief. Something is happening that is preventing the best person getting a Council seat on those occasions when the best person could be an Asian woman. And that needs to change.[/p][/quote]It isn't that all the current councillors are better than Asian women. It's that no Asian women who are right for the job have actually asked to do the job. It's alright saying we need Asian women, but if none actually want the job, what are you going to do, force them? There are no barriers to entry, no glass ceiling and no discrimination. If Asian women want to be councillors, they have every right to try. If they are good, they will make it. We shoudn't interfere with that. It may be called positive discrimination, but it's still discrimination. BuckoTheMoose
  • Score: 10

8:32am Fri 23 May 14

burner says...

Bucko, they don't " not want the job" . . . they are not allowed to !!
Bucko, they don't " not want the job" . . . they are not allowed to !! burner
  • Score: 13

9:32am Fri 23 May 14

ste220 says...

burner wrote:
Bucko, they don't " not want the job" . . . they are not allowed to !!
NOT ALLOWED BY WHO?
[quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: Bucko, they don't " not want the job" . . . they are not allowed to !![/p][/quote]NOT ALLOWED BY WHO? ste220
  • Score: -9

12:53pm Fri 23 May 14

drunken donut says...

ste220 wrote:
burner wrote:
Bucko, they don't " not want the job" . . . they are not allowed to !!
NOT ALLOWED BY WHO?
By their husbands, brothers, fathers etc.
[quote][p][bold]ste220[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: Bucko, they don't " not want the job" . . . they are not allowed to !![/p][/quote]NOT ALLOWED BY WHO?[/p][/quote]By their husbands, brothers, fathers etc. drunken donut
  • Score: 16

1:09pm Fri 23 May 14

ste220 says...

drunken donut wrote:
ste220 wrote:
burner wrote: Bucko, they don't " not want the job" . . . they are not allowed to !!
NOT ALLOWED BY WHO?
By their husbands, brothers, fathers etc.
agreed. but is that not "their" communities issues?
[quote][p][bold]drunken donut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ste220[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: Bucko, they don't " not want the job" . . . they are not allowed to !![/p][/quote]NOT ALLOWED BY WHO?[/p][/quote]By their husbands, brothers, fathers etc.[/p][/quote]agreed. but is that not "their" communities issues? ste220
  • Score: -5

1:43pm Fri 23 May 14

Excluded again says...

BuckoTheMoose wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
Many of the above comments assume that the best people are getting all the positions as Councillors now. I guess this a welcome change from the frequent comments that many Councillors are useless.

As there are currently no Asian women Councillors in East Lancashire, the above comments also assume that no Asian woman is better than the worst of the existing Councillors. And as there are around 60 Asian male Councillors, the best potential Asian woman Councillor has at least 60 Asian men better than her. Both arguments beggar belief.

Something is happening that is preventing the best person getting a Council seat on those occasions when the best person could be an Asian woman. And that needs to change.
It isn't that all the current councillors are better than Asian women. It's that no Asian women who are right for the job have actually asked to do the job.

It's alright saying we need Asian women, but if none actually want the job, what are you going to do, force them?

There are no barriers to entry, no glass ceiling and no discrimination. If Asian women want to be councillors, they have every right to try. If they are good, they will make it.

We shoudn't interfere with that. It may be called positive discrimination, but it's still discrimination.
Actually there are barriers, they just aren't normally reported on.

We saw the barriers a few years ago in Blackburn where a very talented young Asian woman put herself forward to be a Labour Councillor. None of the mainly Asian wards would select her to be a candidate. She turned up at Shadsworth to make up numbers at a selection meeting, wowed them on the night and was selected to be the Labour candidate.

So she stood in Shadworth, a safe Labour seat. And lost to a Lib Dem white male who was so useless he didn't even manage to complete his term of office. And was then replaced by a white male Labour Councillor.

The young woman? Went off to have a very successful career and made a lot of money. So she probably had a lucky escape for her that there were barriers to her being elected as a Councillor.
[quote][p][bold]BuckoTheMoose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: Many of the above comments assume that the best people are getting all the positions as Councillors now. I guess this a welcome change from the frequent comments that many Councillors are useless. As there are currently no Asian women Councillors in East Lancashire, the above comments also assume that no Asian woman is better than the worst of the existing Councillors. And as there are around 60 Asian male Councillors, the best potential Asian woman Councillor has at least 60 Asian men better than her. Both arguments beggar belief. Something is happening that is preventing the best person getting a Council seat on those occasions when the best person could be an Asian woman. And that needs to change.[/p][/quote]It isn't that all the current councillors are better than Asian women. It's that no Asian women who are right for the job have actually asked to do the job. It's alright saying we need Asian women, but if none actually want the job, what are you going to do, force them? There are no barriers to entry, no glass ceiling and no discrimination. If Asian women want to be councillors, they have every right to try. If they are good, they will make it. We shoudn't interfere with that. It may be called positive discrimination, but it's still discrimination.[/p][/quote]Actually there are barriers, they just aren't normally reported on. We saw the barriers a few years ago in Blackburn where a very talented young Asian woman put herself forward to be a Labour Councillor. None of the mainly Asian wards would select her to be a candidate. She turned up at Shadsworth to make up numbers at a selection meeting, wowed them on the night and was selected to be the Labour candidate. So she stood in Shadworth, a safe Labour seat. And lost to a Lib Dem white male who was so useless he didn't even manage to complete his term of office. And was then replaced by a white male Labour Councillor. The young woman? Went off to have a very successful career and made a lot of money. So she probably had a lucky escape for her that there were barriers to her being elected as a Councillor. Excluded again
  • Score: 0

1:51pm Fri 23 May 14

Casper's mum says...

I find all this talk of all-female shortlists very sexist and quite derogatory. I don't want to be chosen because I'm female, I want to be chosen because I can do the job. Are you also sugesting that men need eliminating from the competition to ensure a woman wins?

I imagine most women (especially Asian women, who I consider to be very family orientated) probably don't feel they have the time or energy to get involved in politics at this level, particularly if they're already juggling a family and job.
Personally, I really couldn't be bothered having to deal male councillors and their egos.
I find all this talk of all-female shortlists very sexist and quite derogatory. I don't want to be chosen because I'm female, I want to be chosen because I can do the job. Are you also sugesting that men need eliminating from the competition to ensure a woman wins? I imagine most women (especially Asian women, who I consider to be very family orientated) probably don't feel they have the time or energy to get involved in politics at this level, particularly if they're already juggling a family and job. Personally, I really couldn't be bothered having to deal male councillors and their egos. Casper's mum
  • Score: 3

8:16pm Fri 23 May 14

the white witch says...

OMG, is Harriet Harman trying to step into Jack straws same shoes, when it comes to wanting to suck up to the asian people, this won`t do her any favours.
No wonder half the English population is moving abroad, and it`s people like her that is causing this. England is no longer England !!!!!!!!!
OMG, is Harriet Harman trying to step into Jack straws same shoes, when it comes to wanting to suck up to the asian people, this won`t do her any favours. No wonder half the English population is moving abroad, and it`s people like her that is causing this. England is no longer England !!!!!!!!! the white witch
  • Score: 6

8:52pm Fri 23 May 14

Copperhead says...

I don't want more Asian ANYTHING or ANYONE - not councillors, not immigrants, not any of them.
This country should be run by the majority - and 54,000,000 of the 60,000,000 population of the UK are native born white caucasians.
Asians are the enemy, especially the muslim ones, and all Hell will follow when they eventually come to power.
I don't want more Asian ANYTHING or ANYONE - not councillors, not immigrants, not any of them. This country should be run by the majority - and 54,000,000 of the 60,000,000 population of the UK are native born white caucasians. Asians are the enemy, especially the muslim ones, and all Hell will follow when they eventually come to power. Copperhead
  • Score: 5

10:00pm Fri 23 May 14

Steven Seagull says...

Copperhead wrote:
I don't want more Asian ANYTHING or ANYONE - not councillors, not immigrants, not any of them.
This country should be run by the majority - and 54,000,000 of the 60,000,000 population of the UK are native born white caucasians.
Asians are the enemy, especially the muslim ones, and all Hell will follow when they eventually come to power.
Wow, can one person possibly be so stupid and ignorant?

I bet you have a little square black moustache under your nose don't you?
[quote][p][bold]Copperhead[/bold] wrote: I don't want more Asian ANYTHING or ANYONE - not councillors, not immigrants, not any of them. This country should be run by the majority - and 54,000,000 of the 60,000,000 population of the UK are native born white caucasians. Asians are the enemy, especially the muslim ones, and all Hell will follow when they eventually come to power.[/p][/quote]Wow, can one person possibly be so stupid and ignorant? I bet you have a little square black moustache under your nose don't you? Steven Seagull
  • Score: -4

11:19pm Fri 23 May 14

Steven11 says...

Steven Seagull wrote:
Copperhead wrote:
I don't want more Asian ANYTHING or ANYONE - not councillors, not immigrants, not any of them.
This country should be run by the majority - and 54,000,000 of the 60,000,000 population of the UK are native born white caucasians.
Asians are the enemy, especially the muslim ones, and all Hell will follow when they eventually come to power.
Wow, can one person possibly be so stupid and ignorant?

I bet you have a little square black moustache under your nose don't you?
I bet you have a large un couth beard and brown skin , brother cousin , Mr seagull . Because all I can remember of bloody seagulls is that they **** on you , bet I'm not wrong this time either. !
[quote][p][bold]Steven Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copperhead[/bold] wrote: I don't want more Asian ANYTHING or ANYONE - not councillors, not immigrants, not any of them. This country should be run by the majority - and 54,000,000 of the 60,000,000 population of the UK are native born white caucasians. Asians are the enemy, especially the muslim ones, and all Hell will follow when they eventually come to power.[/p][/quote]Wow, can one person possibly be so stupid and ignorant? I bet you have a little square black moustache under your nose don't you?[/p][/quote]I bet you have a large un couth beard and brown skin , brother cousin , Mr seagull . Because all I can remember of bloody seagulls is that they **** on you , bet I'm not wrong this time either. ! Steven11
  • Score: 1

11:40pm Fri 23 May 14

Steven11 says...

ikap22 wrote:
wilddog wrote:
Why dont they look within their communities as to why they have no Asian women coming forward. I know why but if i post it, it will be classed as racist! In my community, women are treated as an equal and not ignored!
Which community is yours simpleton?
I bet you have a large un couth beard and brown skin , brother cousin , Mr seagull . Because all I can remember of bloody seagulls is that they **** on you , bet I'm not wrong this time either. !
[quote][p][bold]ikap22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilddog[/bold] wrote: Why dont they look within their communities as to why they have no Asian women coming forward. I know why but if i post it, it will be classed as racist! In my community, women are treated as an equal and not ignored![/p][/quote]Which community is yours simpleton?[/p][/quote]I bet you have a large un couth beard and brown skin , brother cousin , Mr seagull . Because all I can remember of bloody seagulls is that they **** on you , bet I'm not wrong this time either. ! Steven11
  • Score: 4

11:44pm Fri 23 May 14

Steven11 says...

ste220 wrote:
drunken donut wrote:
ste220 wrote:
burner wrote: Bucko, they don't " not want the job" . . . they are not allowed to !!
NOT ALLOWED BY WHO?
By their husbands, brothers, fathers etc.
agreed. but is that not "their" communities issues?
But , whose issues are they then. ?
[quote][p][bold]ste220[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drunken donut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ste220[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: Bucko, they don't " not want the job" . . . they are not allowed to !![/p][/quote]NOT ALLOWED BY WHO?[/p][/quote]By their husbands, brothers, fathers etc.[/p][/quote]agreed. but is that not "their" communities issues?[/p][/quote]But , whose issues are they then. ? Steven11
  • Score: 0

12:44am Sat 24 May 14

Steven11 says...

ikap22 wrote:
wilddog wrote:
Why dont they look within their communities as to why they have no Asian women coming forward. I know why but if i post it, it will be classed as racist! In my community, women are treated as an equal and not ignored!
Which community is yours simpleton?
Oh come on now you are amongst friends , tell us how you really feel !
[quote][p][bold]ikap22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilddog[/bold] wrote: Why dont they look within their communities as to why they have no Asian women coming forward. I know why but if i post it, it will be classed as racist! In my community, women are treated as an equal and not ignored![/p][/quote]Which community is yours simpleton?[/p][/quote]Oh come on now you are amongst friends , tell us how you really feel ! Steven11
  • Score: 0

12:44am Sat 24 May 14

Steven Seagull says...

Steven11 wrote:
Steven Seagull wrote:
Copperhead wrote:
I don't want more Asian ANYTHING or ANYONE - not councillors, not immigrants, not any of them.
This country should be run by the majority - and 54,000,000 of the 60,000,000 population of the UK are native born white caucasians.
Asians are the enemy, especially the muslim ones, and all Hell will follow when they eventually come to power.
Wow, can one person possibly be so stupid and ignorant?

I bet you have a little square black moustache under your nose don't you?
I bet you have a large un couth beard and brown skin , brother cousin , Mr seagull . Because all I can remember of bloody seagulls is that they **** on you , bet I'm not wrong this time either. !
I'd fly upside down going over you because you're simply not worth sh1tting on.

Wrong d1ckhead, Caucasian, Christian and born in Yorkshire. You're not very good at assumptions are you?

Save the limited brain capacity you have for your KKK meeting next week. Maybe afterwards you and Copper-nobhead can give each other a celebratory reach-around.
[quote][p][bold]Steven11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steven Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Copperhead[/bold] wrote: I don't want more Asian ANYTHING or ANYONE - not councillors, not immigrants, not any of them. This country should be run by the majority - and 54,000,000 of the 60,000,000 population of the UK are native born white caucasians. Asians are the enemy, especially the muslim ones, and all Hell will follow when they eventually come to power.[/p][/quote]Wow, can one person possibly be so stupid and ignorant? I bet you have a little square black moustache under your nose don't you?[/p][/quote]I bet you have a large un couth beard and brown skin , brother cousin , Mr seagull . Because all I can remember of bloody seagulls is that they **** on you , bet I'm not wrong this time either. ![/p][/quote]I'd fly upside down going over you because you're simply not worth sh1tting on. Wrong d1ckhead, Caucasian, Christian and born in Yorkshire. You're not very good at assumptions are you? Save the limited brain capacity you have for your KKK meeting next week. Maybe afterwards you and Copper-nobhead can give each other a celebratory reach-around. Steven Seagull
  • Score: -3

12:54am Sat 24 May 14

Steven11 says...

Bourne in Yorkshire , And can you really fly ? See you next tuesday at our KKK meeting , then you can tell me if your extra claims for your benefits has been allowed , **** !
Bourne in Yorkshire , And can you really fly ? See you next tuesday at our KKK meeting , then you can tell me if your extra claims for your benefits has been allowed , **** ! Steven11
  • Score: 2

7:31am Sat 24 May 14

Steven Seagull says...

Steven11 wrote:
Bourne in Yorkshire , And can you really fly ? See you next tuesday at our KKK meeting , then you can tell me if your extra claims for your benefits has been allowed , **** !
Bourne? Yes I seem to recall you have a specific problem with spelling this word. In fact it's just one of many problems you seem to have. Being an utter c**t being the biggest. The only thing I would like to benefit from is having your mouth boarded up. But having said that I simply wouldn't be able to afford the wood.

Get back in your filthy cave Alf Garnett.
[quote][p][bold]Steven11[/bold] wrote: Bourne in Yorkshire , And can you really fly ? See you next tuesday at our KKK meeting , then you can tell me if your extra claims for your benefits has been allowed , **** ![/p][/quote]Bourne? Yes I seem to recall you have a specific problem with spelling this word. In fact it's just one of many problems you seem to have. Being an utter c**t being the biggest. The only thing I would like to benefit from is having your mouth boarded up. But having said that I simply wouldn't be able to afford the wood. Get back in your filthy cave Alf Garnett. Steven Seagull
  • Score: -2

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