Muslim mums Syria plea falls on deaf ears

Blackburn Citizen: Smoke billowing from the war zone in Syria Smoke billowing from the war zone in Syria

AN appeal by counter-terrorism police to Muslim women to stop male relatives going to Syria seems to have had little impact on East Lancashire mothers.

Women in the area indicated the national campaign for them to intervene following 20 deaths of UK men in the civil war would not change female minds on the issue.

Nationally, critics and campaigners questioned whether the police were trusted enough to get the message across.

Security chiefs think hundreds of people have travelled from the UK to fight in Syria, some of whom have returned radicalised, with 40 arrested during the first three months of this year.

Blackburn mother Raheema Bux, who has been on an aid convoy to the war-torn country, said: “This will have no impact. Why are they worried about people being radicalised in Syria now when it has already happened.

“We are all concerned about the risks but we are much more worried about the humanitarian situation there. When I went, I took my son with me.

“If the government was doing something to help people in Syria, then Muslim women might listen. It is not so this will have no effect.”

Mother-of-two Sayeeda Mulla, wife of Blackburn with Darwen Mayor Salim Mulla, who has visited Syria, said: “I think there is an obligation on people to give humanitarian aid to Syria. I would be concerned about the risk to my sons but I would not stop them going as I did not stop my husband.”

Anjum Anwar, dialogue development officer at Blackburn Cathedral, said: “I have spoken to six Muslim mothers and they are not concerned about this.

“What they are bothered about is the risks to their sons at home — drugs, alcohol abuse and violence. They don’t understand what the police are talking about.”

Speaking at the launch of the project, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Helen Ball said she wanted women to lead attempts 'to challenge the lure of Syria' and help to reduce the risk that young men going there would return radicalised.

Shiraz Maher, of the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation, said the police were 'the wrong people to be launching this type of campaign'.

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11:14am Fri 25 Apr 14

mavrick says...

Don't bother with a campaign, simply deport them. and do not let them return unless we know exactly what they were doing in Syria. I am sure there are some genuine aid workers with good intentions, However they too can be radicalised whilst out there. I had tremendous sympathy for the plight of the innocent victims but who can you trust in a tribal war? sorry but I think we were right to keep out of it. but any Muslim who leaves these shores to go and fight in Syria or any other muslim country must leave their passport at the airport and the rest of the family can follow quickly. It might just make them sit up and think about the consequences of their action.
Don't bother with a campaign, simply deport them. and do not let them return unless we know exactly what they were doing in Syria. I am sure there are some genuine aid workers with good intentions, However they too can be radicalised whilst out there. I had tremendous sympathy for the plight of the innocent victims but who can you trust in a tribal war? sorry but I think we were right to keep out of it. but any Muslim who leaves these shores to go and fight in Syria or any other muslim country must leave their passport at the airport and the rest of the family can follow quickly. It might just make them sit up and think about the consequences of their action. mavrick
  • Score: 42

11:49am Fri 25 Apr 14

Openminded? says...

mavrick wrote:
Don't bother with a campaign, simply deport them. and do not let them return unless we know exactly what they were doing in Syria. I am sure there are some genuine aid workers with good intentions, However they too can be radicalised whilst out there. I had tremendous sympathy for the plight of the innocent victims but who can you trust in a tribal war? sorry but I think we were right to keep out of it. but any Muslim who leaves these shores to go and fight in Syria or any other muslim country must leave their passport at the airport and the rest of the family can follow quickly. It might just make them sit up and think about the consequences of their action.
Why should the family suffer for the action of a family member?
[quote][p][bold]mavrick[/bold] wrote: Don't bother with a campaign, simply deport them. and do not let them return unless we know exactly what they were doing in Syria. I am sure there are some genuine aid workers with good intentions, However they too can be radicalised whilst out there. I had tremendous sympathy for the plight of the innocent victims but who can you trust in a tribal war? sorry but I think we were right to keep out of it. but any Muslim who leaves these shores to go and fight in Syria or any other muslim country must leave their passport at the airport and the rest of the family can follow quickly. It might just make them sit up and think about the consequences of their action.[/p][/quote]Why should the family suffer for the action of a family member? Openminded?
  • Score: -21

11:56am Fri 25 Apr 14

Bat E Karen says...

As if they would take notice of what a mere woman says anyway.
As if they would take notice of what a mere woman says anyway. Bat E Karen
  • Score: 27

12:15pm Fri 25 Apr 14

rudis_dad says...

Let them go. If they get involved in the fighting, don't let them come back. No cost to the country, problem solved.
Let them go. If they get involved in the fighting, don't let them come back. No cost to the country, problem solved. rudis_dad
  • Score: 32

12:26pm Fri 25 Apr 14

The Fair Word says...

So to put this into perspective, in less than 24 hours of making their announcement to speak to muslim women, the police have already decided that their efforts are falling onto deaf ears. In my opinion, the police have failed massively, or the LET have spiced this story up.
How can they establish the difference between somebody travelling to Syria to help with the humanitarian crisis and somebody going to fight ? It seems that anybody going to Syria will now be classed as a terrorist.
There is a HUGE effort from muslims in the UK to help with the humanitarian crisis in Syria and there is no need for the police. government or anybody else to try and make out that anybody going to Syria is going to fight.
Funny how the police are quick to raise this issue but seem to forget that our forces are not currently fighting in Syria so anybody going from here to fight, will only be fighting Syrians and not British troops.
Lets not forget the scores of troops who have died in Iraq & Afghanistan for a pointless war just so Tony Blair could receive his payoff from George Bush. Surely, Mr Blair & Mr Bush are proven war criminals but the police won't be interested in that will they.......
So to put this into perspective, in less than 24 hours of making their announcement to speak to muslim women, the police have already decided that their efforts are falling onto deaf ears. In my opinion, the police have failed massively, or the LET have spiced this story up. How can they establish the difference between somebody travelling to Syria to help with the humanitarian crisis and somebody going to fight ? It seems that anybody going to Syria will now be classed as a terrorist. There is a HUGE effort from muslims in the UK to help with the humanitarian crisis in Syria and there is no need for the police. government or anybody else to try and make out that anybody going to Syria is going to fight. Funny how the police are quick to raise this issue but seem to forget that our forces are not currently fighting in Syria so anybody going from here to fight, will only be fighting Syrians and not British troops. Lets not forget the scores of troops who have died in Iraq & Afghanistan for a pointless war just so Tony Blair could receive his payoff from George Bush. Surely, Mr Blair & Mr Bush are proven war criminals but the police won't be interested in that will they....... The Fair Word
  • Score: 7

12:43pm Fri 25 Apr 14

HelmshoreBoy says...

Complete waste of time. These women are classed as third class citizens and have no voice or influence in these cultures.
Complete waste of time. These women are classed as third class citizens and have no voice or influence in these cultures. HelmshoreBoy
  • Score: 29

12:50pm Fri 25 Apr 14

noddy57 says...

Bat E Karen wrote:
As if they would take notice of what a mere woman says anyway.
what are the secret service playing at ? trying to get muslim mothers to put off their sons from fighting abroad,,women in Islam do not have any influence on such things,,tell you what they should be doing,,if these deluded idiots or martyrs as they like to think they will become if they are killed want to fight for a foreign country then they should be stripped of their uk citizenship asap and without exception,as a matter of fact in Syria many rebel fighters are linked to al queda groups and there is much in fighting going on so it would almost be a suicide mission,the muslim youth in this country are vulnerable and deluded,
[quote][p][bold]Bat E Karen[/bold] wrote: As if they would take notice of what a mere woman says anyway.[/p][/quote]what are the secret service playing at ? trying to get muslim mothers to put off their sons from fighting abroad,,women in Islam do not have any influence on such things,,tell you what they should be doing,,if these deluded idiots or martyrs as they like to think they will become if they are killed want to fight for a foreign country then they should be stripped of their uk citizenship asap and without exception,as a matter of fact in Syria many rebel fighters are linked to al queda groups and there is much in fighting going on so it would almost be a suicide mission,the muslim youth in this country are vulnerable and deluded, noddy57
  • Score: 16

1:10pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Casper's mum says...

Any man who feels either going to help with aid or fight in Syria is the right thing to do will not be dissuaded by ANYONE telling them not to go. In fact quite a few of of my female Muslim friends believe it is the right thing to do for the sake of the victims of this war.
It would appear from recent national media stories that the Muslim youth is at risk from radicalisation/brain
washing as much here as abroad.

Also were those 40, of the hundreds who have returned from fighting, who were arrested actually charged with anything? Were they charged with "radicalised" behaviour? If not, this fact irrelevant.
Any man who feels either going to help with aid or fight in Syria is the right thing to do will not be dissuaded by ANYONE telling them not to go. In fact quite a few of of my female Muslim friends believe it is the right thing to do for the sake of the victims of this war. It would appear from recent national media stories that the Muslim youth is at risk from radicalisation/brain washing as much here as abroad. Also were those 40, of the hundreds who have returned from fighting, who were arrested actually charged with anything? Were they charged with "radicalised" behaviour? If not, this fact irrelevant. Casper's mum
  • Score: 3

1:19pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Interlocutor says...

The article informally reports the responses of 3 women, and of 6 more at second-hand. It's not a representative sample of the population of Muslim women in Blackburn. Far more rigorous and widespread assessment, over a longer time, would be needed to justify the Telegraph's careless headline.
The article informally reports the responses of 3 women, and of 6 more at second-hand. It's not a representative sample of the population of Muslim women in Blackburn. Far more rigorous and widespread assessment, over a longer time, would be needed to justify the Telegraph's careless headline. Interlocutor
  • Score: 6

1:58pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Steven Seagull says...

The Fair Word wrote:
So to put this into perspective, in less than 24 hours of making their announcement to speak to muslim women, the police have already decided that their efforts are falling onto deaf ears. In my opinion, the police have failed massively, or the LET have spiced this story up.
How can they establish the difference between somebody travelling to Syria to help with the humanitarian crisis and somebody going to fight ? It seems that anybody going to Syria will now be classed as a terrorist.
There is a HUGE effort from muslims in the UK to help with the humanitarian crisis in Syria and there is no need for the police. government or anybody else to try and make out that anybody going to Syria is going to fight.
Funny how the police are quick to raise this issue but seem to forget that our forces are not currently fighting in Syria so anybody going from here to fight, will only be fighting Syrians and not British troops.
Lets not forget the scores of troops who have died in Iraq & Afghanistan for a pointless war just so Tony Blair could receive his payoff from George Bush. Surely, Mr Blair & Mr Bush are proven war criminals but the police won't be interested in that will they.......
Whinge whinge moan moan etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]The Fair Word[/bold] wrote: So to put this into perspective, in less than 24 hours of making their announcement to speak to muslim women, the police have already decided that their efforts are falling onto deaf ears. In my opinion, the police have failed massively, or the LET have spiced this story up. How can they establish the difference between somebody travelling to Syria to help with the humanitarian crisis and somebody going to fight ? It seems that anybody going to Syria will now be classed as a terrorist. There is a HUGE effort from muslims in the UK to help with the humanitarian crisis in Syria and there is no need for the police. government or anybody else to try and make out that anybody going to Syria is going to fight. Funny how the police are quick to raise this issue but seem to forget that our forces are not currently fighting in Syria so anybody going from here to fight, will only be fighting Syrians and not British troops. Lets not forget the scores of troops who have died in Iraq & Afghanistan for a pointless war just so Tony Blair could receive his payoff from George Bush. Surely, Mr Blair & Mr Bush are proven war criminals but the police won't be interested in that will they.......[/p][/quote]Whinge whinge moan moan etc etc. Steven Seagull
  • Score: -3

2:01pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Steven Seagull says...

I personally could not give a toss. They know the risks when they go out there so if they die they die. C'EST LA VIE.
I personally could not give a toss. They know the risks when they go out there so if they die they die. C'EST LA VIE. Steven Seagull
  • Score: 16

2:35pm Fri 25 Apr 14

jimpy0 says...

just deport them ALL
just deport them ALL jimpy0
  • Score: 9

2:37pm Fri 25 Apr 14

drunken donut says...

Does anyone out there not believe Enoch Powell now? What the hell has Syria got to do with British "muslims" most of them couldn't find it on a map, they are just looking for trouble and should be deprived of their British passport for ever.
Does anyone out there not believe Enoch Powell now? What the hell has Syria got to do with British "muslims" most of them couldn't find it on a map, they are just looking for trouble and should be deprived of their British passport for ever. drunken donut
  • Score: 16

3:33pm Fri 25 Apr 14

TONY WALES says...

Is anybody bothered?
Let them all go,
and take their mates with them

Will they still be collecting their jobseeker's allowance, and other government handouts?
Bet they don't declare they are not available for work when they go.
Is anybody bothered? Let them all go, and take their mates with them Will they still be collecting their jobseeker's allowance, and other government handouts? Bet they don't declare they are not available for work when they go. TONY WALES
  • Score: 13

4:56pm Fri 25 Apr 14

ghost of sceptic says...

They would rather fight a war in a foreign land than fight for this country. The reason any of them go women or men is not for humanitarian reasons but simply because of thier religion ( Muslim). Anyone leaving this country to fight in these wars should be stripped of British citizenship and never allowed to return whoever they are.
They would rather fight a war in a foreign land than fight for this country. The reason any of them go women or men is not for humanitarian reasons but simply because of thier religion ( Muslim). Anyone leaving this country to fight in these wars should be stripped of British citizenship and never allowed to return whoever they are. ghost of sceptic
  • Score: 11

5:01pm Fri 25 Apr 14

woolywords says...

I just love all this diversity.
We have Muslims going to Afghanistan, to fight with the Taliban.
We have Muslims going to Somalia, both sides of the Sudan conflict.
More going to many of the other 'Arab Spring' states.
Of course there has to be controls, otherwise there are going to be none left for us intolerants to moan about.
There is something hugely romantic about wanting to go and fight in a strange, far off land, that no amount of appeals by either parent is going to prevent in anyone that feels as marginalized in the UK, as they do. The more that we rail against it, the more they are going to want to go, especially if friends are returning with tales of war.
I wish I had the words to dissuade them but I haven't and, as it's their own choice to make, whom am I to say anything against the 'big adventure'. Other than, phone your Mum, once a week and keep your head down to stay safe.
I just love all this diversity. We have Muslims going to Afghanistan, to fight with the Taliban. We have Muslims going to Somalia, both sides of the Sudan conflict. More going to many of the other 'Arab Spring' states. Of course there has to be controls, otherwise there are going to be none left for us intolerants to moan about. There is something hugely romantic about wanting to go and fight in a strange, far off land, that no amount of appeals by either parent is going to prevent in anyone that feels as marginalized in the UK, as they do. The more that we rail against it, the more they are going to want to go, especially if friends are returning with tales of war. I wish I had the words to dissuade them but I haven't and, as it's their own choice to make, whom am I to say anything against the 'big adventure'. Other than, phone your Mum, once a week and keep your head down to stay safe. woolywords
  • Score: -10

5:21pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Openminded? says...

ghost of sceptic wrote:
They would rather fight a war in a foreign land than fight for this country. The reason any of them go women or men is not for humanitarian reasons but simply because of thier religion ( Muslim). Anyone leaving this country to fight in these wars should be stripped of British citizenship and never allowed to return whoever they are.
What is there to fight for this country?
[quote][p][bold]ghost of sceptic[/bold] wrote: They would rather fight a war in a foreign land than fight for this country. The reason any of them go women or men is not for humanitarian reasons but simply because of thier religion ( Muslim). Anyone leaving this country to fight in these wars should be stripped of British citizenship and never allowed to return whoever they are.[/p][/quote]What is there to fight for this country? Openminded?
  • Score: -2

5:33pm Fri 25 Apr 14

mavrick says...

Openminded? wrote:
mavrick wrote:
Don't bother with a campaign, simply deport them. and do not let them return unless we know exactly what they were doing in Syria. I am sure there are some genuine aid workers with good intentions, However they too can be radicalised whilst out there. I had tremendous sympathy for the plight of the innocent victims but who can you trust in a tribal war? sorry but I think we were right to keep out of it. but any Muslim who leaves these shores to go and fight in Syria or any other muslim country must leave their passport at the airport and the rest of the family can follow quickly. It might just make them sit up and think about the consequences of their action.
Why should the family suffer for the action of a family member?
It will make them consider the ramifications of their actions. It would make the senior family members keep a much closer eye on the young men and who is attending the mosque and what they are saying. If anybody does not like or agree with life in this country then simply leave. But if you are going to a war zone then your actions will be questioned and if found to be necessary you will not be allowed back into the country. Sorry you can't have it always.
[quote][p][bold]Openminded?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mavrick[/bold] wrote: Don't bother with a campaign, simply deport them. and do not let them return unless we know exactly what they were doing in Syria. I am sure there are some genuine aid workers with good intentions, However they too can be radicalised whilst out there. I had tremendous sympathy for the plight of the innocent victims but who can you trust in a tribal war? sorry but I think we were right to keep out of it. but any Muslim who leaves these shores to go and fight in Syria or any other muslim country must leave their passport at the airport and the rest of the family can follow quickly. It might just make them sit up and think about the consequences of their action.[/p][/quote]Why should the family suffer for the action of a family member?[/p][/quote]It will make them consider the ramifications of their actions. It would make the senior family members keep a much closer eye on the young men and who is attending the mosque and what they are saying. If anybody does not like or agree with life in this country then simply leave. But if you are going to a war zone then your actions will be questioned and if found to be necessary you will not be allowed back into the country. Sorry you can't have it always. mavrick
  • Score: 11

6:38pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Skookie says...

Let them go who cares, has long has they don't come back that's all that matters.
Let them go who cares, has long has they don't come back that's all that matters. Skookie
  • Score: 14

7:50pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Saj143 says...

woolywords wrote:
I just love all this diversity.
We have Muslims going to Afghanistan, to fight with the Taliban.
We have Muslims going to Somalia, both sides of the Sudan conflict.
More going to many of the other 'Arab Spring' states.
Of course there has to be controls, otherwise there are going to be none left for us intolerants to moan about.
There is something hugely romantic about wanting to go and fight in a strange, far off land, that no amount of appeals by either parent is going to prevent in anyone that feels as marginalized in the UK, as they do. The more that we rail against it, the more they are going to want to go, especially if friends are returning with tales of war.
I wish I had the words to dissuade them but I haven't and, as it's their own choice to make, whom am I to say anything against the 'big adventure'. Other than, phone your Mum, once a week and keep your head down to stay safe.
Wtf !
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: I just love all this diversity. We have Muslims going to Afghanistan, to fight with the Taliban. We have Muslims going to Somalia, both sides of the Sudan conflict. More going to many of the other 'Arab Spring' states. Of course there has to be controls, otherwise there are going to be none left for us intolerants to moan about. There is something hugely romantic about wanting to go and fight in a strange, far off land, that no amount of appeals by either parent is going to prevent in anyone that feels as marginalized in the UK, as they do. The more that we rail against it, the more they are going to want to go, especially if friends are returning with tales of war. I wish I had the words to dissuade them but I haven't and, as it's their own choice to make, whom am I to say anything against the 'big adventure'. Other than, phone your Mum, once a week and keep your head down to stay safe.[/p][/quote]Wtf ! Saj143
  • Score: 6

7:51pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Saj143 says...

mavrick wrote:
Openminded? wrote:
mavrick wrote:
Don't bother with a campaign, simply deport them. and do not let them return unless we know exactly what they were doing in Syria. I am sure there are some genuine aid workers with good intentions, However they too can be radicalised whilst out there. I had tremendous sympathy for the plight of the innocent victims but who can you trust in a tribal war? sorry but I think we were right to keep out of it. but any Muslim who leaves these shores to go and fight in Syria or any other muslim country must leave their passport at the airport and the rest of the family can follow quickly. It might just make them sit up and think about the consequences of their action.
Why should the family suffer for the action of a family member?
It will make them consider the ramifications of their actions. It would make the senior family members keep a much closer eye on the young men and who is attending the mosque and what they are saying. If anybody does not like or agree with life in this country then simply leave. But if you are going to a war zone then your actions will be questioned and if found to be necessary you will not be allowed back into the country. Sorry you can't have it always.
Well put.
[quote][p][bold]mavrick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Openminded?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mavrick[/bold] wrote: Don't bother with a campaign, simply deport them. and do not let them return unless we know exactly what they were doing in Syria. I am sure there are some genuine aid workers with good intentions, However they too can be radicalised whilst out there. I had tremendous sympathy for the plight of the innocent victims but who can you trust in a tribal war? sorry but I think we were right to keep out of it. but any Muslim who leaves these shores to go and fight in Syria or any other muslim country must leave their passport at the airport and the rest of the family can follow quickly. It might just make them sit up and think about the consequences of their action.[/p][/quote]Why should the family suffer for the action of a family member?[/p][/quote]It will make them consider the ramifications of their actions. It would make the senior family members keep a much closer eye on the young men and who is attending the mosque and what they are saying. If anybody does not like or agree with life in this country then simply leave. But if you are going to a war zone then your actions will be questioned and if found to be necessary you will not be allowed back into the country. Sorry you can't have it always.[/p][/quote]Well put. Saj143
  • Score: 3

6:53am Sat 26 Apr 14

Perspexhood says...

The truth is that most kids don't want to go to mosque and more and more don't. Lads are scrapping all the time and in bigger and bigger numbers. If local parents cannot stop what is happening on our streets and parks then why would they be able to stop lads from going to Syria? Loads of lads drink, smoke cigs and weed and the girls are involved too. I never bought into the our culture is different to your culture idea. It would always end up this way. Religion is a way of keeping control but it's becoming less and less important full stop which is why the religious get so extreme because they can see their power slipping away.
The truth is that most kids don't want to go to mosque and more and more don't. Lads are scrapping all the time and in bigger and bigger numbers. If local parents cannot stop what is happening on our streets and parks then why would they be able to stop lads from going to Syria? Loads of lads drink, smoke cigs and weed and the girls are involved too. I never bought into the our culture is different to your culture idea. It would always end up this way. Religion is a way of keeping control but it's becoming less and less important full stop which is why the religious get so extreme because they can see their power slipping away. Perspexhood
  • Score: 7

1:45pm Sat 26 Apr 14

ghost of sceptic says...

Openminded? wrote:
ghost of sceptic wrote:
They would rather fight a war in a foreign land than fight for this country. The reason any of them go women or men is not for humanitarian reasons but simply because of thier religion ( Muslim). Anyone leaving this country to fight in these wars should be stripped of British citizenship and never allowed to return whoever they are.
What is there to fight for this country?
Keeping out the very scum that goes to fight in conflicts around the world against our troops and stopping them from returning. I am talking about people who claim to be british citizens but who are happy to raise arms against british troops in other countrys just because they are Muslim. There is a war to be fought in this country and the sooner they are weeded out the better.
[quote][p][bold]Openminded?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghost of sceptic[/bold] wrote: They would rather fight a war in a foreign land than fight for this country. The reason any of them go women or men is not for humanitarian reasons but simply because of thier religion ( Muslim). Anyone leaving this country to fight in these wars should be stripped of British citizenship and never allowed to return whoever they are.[/p][/quote]What is there to fight for this country?[/p][/quote]Keeping out the very scum that goes to fight in conflicts around the world against our troops and stopping them from returning. I am talking about people who claim to be british citizens but who are happy to raise arms against british troops in other countrys just because they are Muslim. There is a war to be fought in this country and the sooner they are weeded out the better. ghost of sceptic
  • Score: 2

8:33pm Sat 26 Apr 14

BIGGLESTOE says...

ghost of sceptic wrote:
Openminded? wrote:
ghost of sceptic wrote:
They would rather fight a war in a foreign land than fight for this country. The reason any of them go women or men is not for humanitarian reasons but simply because of thier religion ( Muslim). Anyone leaving this country to fight in these wars should be stripped of British citizenship and never allowed to return whoever they are.
What is there to fight for this country?
Keeping out the very scum that goes to fight in conflicts around the world against our troops and stopping them from returning. I am talking about people who claim to be british citizens but who are happy to raise arms against british troops in other countrys just because they are Muslim. There is a war to be fought in this country and the sooner they are weeded out the better.
Big Brother is casting it's surveiling net over, within all modern technologies such as IT, mobile communication etc, happily these days! Hope every one of u kip as soundly as I do!!
[quote][p][bold]ghost of sceptic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Openminded?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghost of sceptic[/bold] wrote: They would rather fight a war in a foreign land than fight for this country. The reason any of them go women or men is not for humanitarian reasons but simply because of thier religion ( Muslim). Anyone leaving this country to fight in these wars should be stripped of British citizenship and never allowed to return whoever they are.[/p][/quote]What is there to fight for this country?[/p][/quote]Keeping out the very scum that goes to fight in conflicts around the world against our troops and stopping them from returning. I am talking about people who claim to be british citizens but who are happy to raise arms against british troops in other countrys just because they are Muslim. There is a war to be fought in this country and the sooner they are weeded out the better.[/p][/quote]Big Brother is casting it's surveiling net over, within all modern technologies such as IT, mobile communication etc, happily these days! Hope every one of u kip as soundly as I do!! BIGGLESTOE
  • Score: 0

9:06am Sun 27 Apr 14

Copperhead says...

If these volunteers want to go and fight, then let them. Let us hope that they all get killed - every dead muslim is one less to worry about and one less to fight us in the coming WW4 when the forces of Civilisation have to fight the Islamists for our very survival.
We should be sending assistance to President Assad and not to the so-called " rebels " - who aren't rebels in the true sense, but are really islamic extremists intent on over-throwing yet another government in order to establish an islamic state and impose sharia law whether the people of that country want it or not.
Our grandfathers defeated German Imperialism in WW1.
Our fathers defeated Fascism in WW2.
My generation contributed in many ways to the defeat of Soviet communism in the undeclared WW3.
I fear my grandchildren will have to take up arms to defeat islamic extremism in WW4.
I can only hope and pray for their victory.
If these volunteers want to go and fight, then let them. Let us hope that they all get killed - every dead muslim is one less to worry about and one less to fight us in the coming WW4 when the forces of Civilisation have to fight the Islamists for our very survival. We should be sending assistance to President Assad and not to the so-called " rebels " - who aren't rebels in the true sense, but are really islamic extremists intent on over-throwing yet another government in order to establish an islamic state and impose sharia law whether the people of that country want it or not. Our grandfathers defeated German Imperialism in WW1. Our fathers defeated Fascism in WW2. My generation contributed in many ways to the defeat of Soviet communism in the undeclared WW3. I fear my grandchildren will have to take up arms to defeat islamic extremism in WW4. I can only hope and pray for their victory. Copperhead
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Malthus says...

Steven Seagull wrote:
I personally could not give a toss. They know the risks when they go out there so if they die they die. C'EST LA VIE.
What happens though when these young, radicalised men return to our shores. They will be battle hardened and also experts in guerrilla warfare. This means that they will not only be a possible immediate threat to society; they will also be a position to pass on skills that have been picked up whilst fighting in Syria. This is why we should all be very concerned about this situation and the potential consequences of young men going off to engage in Jihad.
[quote][p][bold]Steven Seagull[/bold] wrote: I personally could not give a toss. They know the risks when they go out there so if they die they die. C'EST LA VIE.[/p][/quote]What happens though when these young, radicalised men return to our shores. They will be battle hardened and also experts in guerrilla warfare. This means that they will not only be a possible immediate threat to society; they will also be a position to pass on skills that have been picked up whilst fighting in Syria. This is why we should all be very concerned about this situation and the potential consequences of young men going off to engage in Jihad. Malthus
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11:38pm Sun 27 Apr 14

Steven11 says...

Malthus wrote:
Steven Seagull wrote:
I personally could not give a toss. They know the risks when they go out there so if they die they die. C'EST LA VIE.
What happens though when these young, radicalised men return to our shores. They will be battle hardened and also experts in guerrilla warfare. This means that they will not only be a possible immediate threat to society; they will also be a position to pass on skills that have been picked up whilst fighting in Syria. This is why we should all be very concerned about this situation and the potential consequences of young men going off to engage in Jihad.
They should Not be allowed back in to this country ever again .
[quote][p][bold]Malthus[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steven Seagull[/bold] wrote: I personally could not give a toss. They know the risks when they go out there so if they die they die. C'EST LA VIE.[/p][/quote]What happens though when these young, radicalised men return to our shores. They will be battle hardened and also experts in guerrilla warfare. This means that they will not only be a possible immediate threat to society; they will also be a position to pass on skills that have been picked up whilst fighting in Syria. This is why we should all be very concerned about this situation and the potential consequences of young men going off to engage in Jihad.[/p][/quote]They should Not be allowed back in to this country ever again . Steven11
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