Hospital working to ensure foreign staff can speak good English

Blackburn Citizen: Hospital working to ensure foreign staff can speak good English Hospital working to ensure foreign staff can speak good English

STEPS are being taken in East Lancashire to ensure doctors and nurses don’t fall foul of proposed new powers which would see them disciplined or struck off if they are unable to communicate clearly in English.

The draft bill, published by the Law Commission, comes as dozens of health trusts have launched major recruitment drives for European nurses, including the authority which runs the Royal Blackburn and Burnley General hospitals.

East Lancashire Hospitals NHS Trust recently offered 38 jobs to nurses from Portugal and Italy in a bid to plug the remaining gaps in its work-force, which was prompted by a shortage of nurses within England.

Rules due to come into force this summer would mean doctors could be struck off the medical register if they have poor English.

But the Law Commission plans would go further and mean any healthcare professional found to be lacking a proficient grasp of English could be disciplined or banned from working in UK hospitals and GP surgeries.

It would be up to the government to decide whether to take the plans forward, however.

Dr Ian Stanley, interim executive medical director at ELHT, said there had been some concerns about how well the new foreign nurses would integrate.

But he added: “That was escalated to the chief nurse and extra support will be given to the new staff, so they feel they are able to cope.”

Meanwhile, David Smithson, head of human resources, has said the new recruits were fully assessed for ‘language proficiency’ before being offered the posts.

The overall aim is to prevent incidents such as the high-profile case of Dr Daniel Ubani, a German doctor with poor English skills who made a lethal mistake and administered a high dose of painkiller that killed a patient in Cambridgeshire.

A Department of Health spokesman said: "It is important for public and patient confidence that our professional regulation system is fit for the future.

"The government is committed to legislate on this important issue when parliamentary time allows. We welcome the Law Commission's report and will respond to their proposals in due course.”

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8:12pm Sun 6 Apr 14

DoggydogNo1 says...

Its simple, the national tongue in this country is English! Hard to believe but it is. Ya cant speak it , then this aint the job for you!
Its simple, the national tongue in this country is English! Hard to believe but it is. Ya cant speak it , then this aint the job for you! DoggydogNo1
  • Score: 41

8:14pm Sun 6 Apr 14

supertrooper says...

So, the NHS wants staff to be able to communicate in english.
I think its a good idea, sure beats sign language in theatre. lol
So, the NHS wants staff to be able to communicate in english. I think its a good idea, sure beats sign language in theatre. lol supertrooper
  • Score: 27

8:47pm Sun 6 Apr 14

kapalski says...

Are you kidding me, what an absolute joke that any nhs finds it acceptable to have any staff that cannot speak English. How on earth are these people in these jobs, I think HR need to give their heads a wobble.

So ELHT answer to recruit staff is all from over sea with no idea of country or policies. NO!! stop the in house bullying, pay a proper wage and then perhaps you might get somewhere.

My friend has been waiting for a job as an auxiliary for months, they keep telling her yes we do want you but couldn't organize a pish up in a brewery to actually get her employed!!!

Too many chiefs in this trust being paid a ridiculous wage they are not worthy of!!
Are you kidding me, what an absolute joke that any nhs finds it acceptable to have any staff that cannot speak English. How on earth are these people in these jobs, I think HR need to give their heads a wobble. So ELHT answer to recruit staff is all from over sea with no idea of country or policies. NO!! stop the in house bullying, pay a proper wage and then perhaps you might get somewhere. My friend has been waiting for a job as an auxiliary for months, they keep telling her yes we do want you but couldn't organize a pish up in a brewery to actually get her employed!!! Too many chiefs in this trust being paid a ridiculous wage they are not worthy of!! kapalski
  • Score: 39

9:52pm Sun 6 Apr 14

trevhd says...

We moved to New Zealand my wife is White British born. educated and did her nurse training in the UK she had to take a 3 hour English test to practice here.
The UK is a joke how did these people get a visa or a job in the first place.
We moved to New Zealand my wife is White British born. educated and did her nurse training in the UK she had to take a 3 hour English test to practice here. The UK is a joke how did these people get a visa or a job in the first place. trevhd
  • Score: 37

10:22pm Sun 6 Apr 14

ConcernedOssy says...

Would have thought the National Language was the default anyway
Too many SUITS running the show who need thinning out in the first instance then maybe, actual workers could be taken on. e.g. More adequately paid NURSES !!! Treated like human beings not robots .
Would have thought the National Language was the default anyway Too many SUITS running the show who need thinning out in the first instance then maybe, actual workers could be taken on. e.g. More adequately paid NURSES !!! Treated like human beings not robots . ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 24

10:35pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Openminded? says...

As the nurses are from Portugal and Italy, atleast nobody can blame the "asians" for this!
As the nurses are from Portugal and Italy, atleast nobody can blame the "asians" for this! Openminded?
  • Score: -20

10:43pm Sun 6 Apr 14

ConcernedOssy says...

ConcernedOssy wrote:
Would have thought the National Language was the default anyway
Too many SUITS running the show who need thinning out in the first instance then maybe, actual workers could be taken on. e.g. More adequately paid NURSES !!! Treated like human beings not robots .
Urgently Needed WORKERS NOT SHIRKERS (IN SUITS)
[quote][p][bold]ConcernedOssy[/bold] wrote: Would have thought the National Language was the default anyway Too many SUITS running the show who need thinning out in the first instance then maybe, actual workers could be taken on. e.g. More adequately paid NURSES !!! Treated like human beings not robots .[/p][/quote]Urgently Needed WORKERS NOT SHIRKERS (IN SUITS) ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 12

11:58pm Sun 6 Apr 14

ikap22 says...

Whta a jock absluty dicgracy thy cand do that. Its aginct humann whites.
Whta a jock absluty dicgracy thy cand do that. Its aginct humann whites. ikap22
  • Score: -6

3:36am Mon 7 Apr 14

mrcool says...

trevhd wrote:
We moved to New Zealand my wife is White British born. educated and did her nurse training in the UK she had to take a 3 hour English test to practice here.
The UK is a joke how did these people get a visa or a job in the first place.
I guess you've forgotten how to read, now that you are thousands of miles away.....the article quite clearly refers to EUROPEAN staff. THEY DON'T NEED VISAS!!! You should get yourself back on the daily mail website and practice your scaremongering a bit more. Fool.
[quote][p][bold]trevhd[/bold] wrote: We moved to New Zealand my wife is White British born. educated and did her nurse training in the UK she had to take a 3 hour English test to practice here. The UK is a joke how did these people get a visa or a job in the first place.[/p][/quote]I guess you've forgotten how to read, now that you are thousands of miles away.....the article quite clearly refers to EUROPEAN staff. THEY DON'T NEED VISAS!!! You should get yourself back on the daily mail website and practice your scaremongering a bit more. Fool. mrcool
  • Score: -21

7:06am Mon 7 Apr 14

Excluded again says...

It's one thing to pass a 3 hour written test, its another to communicate clearly with Mrs Smith who speaks in a broad Lancashire accent and who decribes her symptoms in a roundabout way.

I was once doing some work in the Czech Republic. The Czechs spoke excellent English. One night we were joined by a bloke from Great Harwood and for a laugh we slipped into brad Lanky with a few dialect words thrown in. The Czechs suddenly had no idea what we were saying.
It's one thing to pass a 3 hour written test, its another to communicate clearly with Mrs Smith who speaks in a broad Lancashire accent and who decribes her symptoms in a roundabout way. I was once doing some work in the Czech Republic. The Czechs spoke excellent English. One night we were joined by a bloke from Great Harwood and for a laugh we slipped into brad Lanky with a few dialect words thrown in. The Czechs suddenly had no idea what we were saying. Excluded again
  • Score: 14

7:16am Mon 7 Apr 14

shytalk says...

It would be nice to know if foreign doctors are actually doctors.
It would be nice to know if foreign doctors are actually doctors. shytalk
  • Score: 16

7:46am Mon 7 Apr 14

AnthonyUK says...

All this problem stems from is our open door policy and the gumption of the NHS to take on people from outside the UK;shouldn't be taking on ANYBODY who doesn't speak a good degree of English, I am fed up of (and sick to the back teeth of) all these nurses and doctors coming from Europe and beyond taking up jobs in the NHS who look at you blankly and say "me no speky English". My answer is why bother taking them on in the first place if they won't or refuse to speak English? It's a farce. The NHS should take on British doctors and nurses for positions FIRST REFUSAL EVERY TIME. And before ANY of you start holding up the "racism" and "humanrights" cards, that's got naff all to do with it.
All this problem stems from is our open door policy and the gumption of the NHS to take on people from outside the UK;shouldn't be taking on ANYBODY who doesn't speak a good degree of English, I am fed up of (and sick to the back teeth of) all these nurses and doctors coming from Europe and beyond taking up jobs in the NHS who look at you blankly and say "me no speky English". My answer is why bother taking them on in the first place if they won't or refuse to speak English? It's a farce. The NHS should take on British doctors and nurses for positions FIRST REFUSAL EVERY TIME. And before ANY of you start holding up the "racism" and "humanrights" cards, that's got naff all to do with it. AnthonyUK
  • Score: 14

10:40am Mon 7 Apr 14

shirtbox says...

Our qualifications do not apply to most other e.u. states especially France and Germany so why are we so relaxed, The answer is to train more nurses, simple.
Our qualifications do not apply to most other e.u. states especially France and Germany so why are we so relaxed, The answer is to train more nurses, simple. shirtbox
  • Score: 16

12:49pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Cimbri says...

It is of no surprise that we are recruiting from abroad, as the locally trained staff won't tolerate the regimes that exist in the NHS nowadays. Both Doctors and nurses are expected to routinely ignore the European laws of the Working Time Directive, to enable wards and clinics to operate.
When you consider the working practices of other English-speaking countries, like Australia or New Zealand, it comes as no surprise that there is a drain upon our highly skilled but grossly mistreated and under-paid clinicians. They actively recruit our experienced staff through their NHS magazines, with offers of free trips, where they can assess their place of work and be assessed by prospective employers.
When you are made aware of their British working conditions, who can really blame them for taking the chance of a better life, away from 'rip-off' Britain?
It is of no surprise that we are recruiting from abroad, as the locally trained staff won't tolerate the regimes that exist in the NHS nowadays. Both Doctors and nurses are expected to routinely ignore the European laws of the Working Time Directive, to enable wards and clinics to operate. When you consider the working practices of other English-speaking countries, like Australia or New Zealand, it comes as no surprise that there is a drain upon our highly skilled but grossly mistreated and under-paid clinicians. They actively recruit our experienced staff through their NHS magazines, with offers of free trips, where they can assess their place of work and be assessed by prospective employers. When you are made aware of their British working conditions, who can really blame them for taking the chance of a better life, away from 'rip-off' Britain? Cimbri
  • Score: 8

1:04pm Mon 7 Apr 14

ConcernedOssy says...

shytalk wrote:
It would be nice to know if foreign doctors are actually doctors.
Thought I was being sceptical but degree crest and qualifications are cheap and plentiful on the internet !!
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: It would be nice to know if foreign doctors are actually doctors.[/p][/quote]Thought I was being sceptical but degree crest and qualifications are cheap and plentiful on the internet !! ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 6

1:05pm Mon 7 Apr 14

ConcernedOssy says...

ConcernedOssy wrote:
shytalk wrote:
It would be nice to know if foreign doctors are actually doctors.
Thought I was being sceptical but degree crest and qualifications are cheap and plentiful on the internet !!
Meant degree cost not crest sorry
[quote][p][bold]ConcernedOssy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: It would be nice to know if foreign doctors are actually doctors.[/p][/quote]Thought I was being sceptical but degree crest and qualifications are cheap and plentiful on the internet !![/p][/quote]Meant degree cost not crest sorry ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 7

5:17pm Mon 7 Apr 14

ConcernedOssy says...

Steven11 wrote:
ikap22 wrote:
Whta a jock absluty dicgracy thy cand do that. Its aginct humann whites.
What the hell are you on you silly Asian prat !
Maybe dislexic do you think should be "what a joke absolutely disgrace they can do that, it's against human rights"

Don't think it's Asian anyway as I am definitely NOT
[quote][p][bold]Steven11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ikap22[/bold] wrote: Whta a jock absluty dicgracy thy cand do that. Its aginct humann whites.[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on you silly Asian prat ![/p][/quote]Maybe dislexic do you think should be "what a joke absolutely disgrace they can do that, it's against human rights" Don't think it's Asian anyway as I am definitely NOT ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 4

7:44pm Mon 7 Apr 14

sen c b l says...

ConcernedOssy wrote:
Steven11 wrote:
ikap22 wrote:
Whta a jock absluty dicgracy thy cand do that. Its aginct humann whites.
What the hell are you on you silly Asian prat !
Maybe dislexic do you think should be "what a joke absolutely disgrace they can do that, it's against human rights"

Don't think it's Asian anyway as I am definitely NOT
AND WHAT IF HE IS?
[quote][p][bold]ConcernedOssy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steven11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ikap22[/bold] wrote: Whta a jock absluty dicgracy thy cand do that. Its aginct humann whites.[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on you silly Asian prat ![/p][/quote]Maybe dislexic do you think should be "what a joke absolutely disgrace they can do that, it's against human rights" Don't think it's Asian anyway as I am definitely NOT[/p][/quote]AND WHAT IF HE IS? sen c b l
  • Score: -4

7:59pm Mon 7 Apr 14

sen c b l says...

Steven11 wrote:
ikap22 wrote:
Whta a jock absluty dicgracy thy cand do that. Its aginct humann whites.
What the hell are you on you silly Asian prat !
He's deliberately jumbled up the words so your intelligence could be put to the test and your post confirms that you are in comparison to a wooden plank.
You silly Inselaffe!
[quote][p][bold]Steven11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ikap22[/bold] wrote: Whta a jock absluty dicgracy thy cand do that. Its aginct humann whites.[/p][/quote]What the hell are you on you silly Asian prat ![/p][/quote]He's deliberately jumbled up the words so your intelligence could be put to the test and your post confirms that you are in comparison to a wooden plank. You silly Inselaffe! sen c b l
  • Score: 5

8:46pm Mon 7 Apr 14

kapalski says...

White, asain, dislexic, get a grip people, we should be sticking together and praying for this hospital to get better for all our sakes!!
White, asain, dislexic, get a grip people, we should be sticking together and praying for this hospital to get better for all our sakes!! kapalski
  • Score: -8

8:47pm Mon 7 Apr 14

kapalski says...

Saj143 wrote:
Why can't we comment on the burnley paedos , teacher paedos and that scum accy drug dealer ?

Is is cos they are whi.....

Get your house in order LET.
What is your problem??
[quote][p][bold]Saj143[/bold] wrote: Why can't we comment on the burnley paedos , teacher paedos and that scum accy drug dealer ? Is is cos they are whi..... Get your house in order LET.[/p][/quote]What is your problem?? kapalski
  • Score: -10

9:54pm Mon 7 Apr 14

trevhd says...

mrcool wrote:
trevhd wrote:
We moved to New Zealand my wife is White British born. educated and did her nurse training in the UK she had to take a 3 hour English test to practice here.
The UK is a joke how did these people get a visa or a job in the first place.
I guess you've forgotten how to read, now that you are thousands of miles away.....the article quite clearly refers to EUROPEAN staff. THEY DON'T NEED VISAS!!! You should get yourself back on the daily mail website and practice your scaremongering a bit more. Fool.
So there are no none EU staff working in the NHS or other jobs who can not understand English ,I came across plenty in the UK 3 years ago . I agree that EU people do not need a visa but they must have had an interview or do agencies not bother as long as they get payed . Sooner be a fool than deluded .
[quote][p][bold]mrcool[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trevhd[/bold] wrote: We moved to New Zealand my wife is White British born. educated and did her nurse training in the UK she had to take a 3 hour English test to practice here. The UK is a joke how did these people get a visa or a job in the first place.[/p][/quote]I guess you've forgotten how to read, now that you are thousands of miles away.....the article quite clearly refers to EUROPEAN staff. THEY DON'T NEED VISAS!!! You should get yourself back on the daily mail website and practice your scaremongering a bit more. Fool.[/p][/quote]So there are no none EU staff working in the NHS or other jobs who can not understand English ,I came across plenty in the UK 3 years ago . I agree that EU people do not need a visa but they must have had an interview or do agencies not bother as long as they get payed . Sooner be a fool than deluded . trevhd
  • Score: -2

9:59pm Mon 7 Apr 14

trevhd says...

mrcool wrote:
trevhd wrote:
We moved to New Zealand my wife is White British born. educated and did her nurse training in the UK she had to take a 3 hour English test to practice here.
The UK is a joke how did these people get a visa or a job in the first place.
I guess you've forgotten how to read, now that you are thousands of miles away.....the article quite clearly refers to EUROPEAN staff. THEY DON'T NEED VISAS!!! You should get yourself back on the daily mail website and practice your scaremongering a bit more. Fool.
So there are no none EU staff working in the NHS or other jobs who can not understand English ,I came across plenty in the UK 3 years ago . I agree that EU people do not need a visa but they must have had an interview or do agencies not bother as long as they get payed . Sooner be a fool than deluded .
[quote][p][bold]mrcool[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trevhd[/bold] wrote: We moved to New Zealand my wife is White British born. educated and did her nurse training in the UK she had to take a 3 hour English test to practice here. The UK is a joke how did these people get a visa or a job in the first place.[/p][/quote]I guess you've forgotten how to read, now that you are thousands of miles away.....the article quite clearly refers to EUROPEAN staff. THEY DON'T NEED VISAS!!! You should get yourself back on the daily mail website and practice your scaremongering a bit more. Fool.[/p][/quote]So there are no none EU staff working in the NHS or other jobs who can not understand English ,I came across plenty in the UK 3 years ago . I agree that EU people do not need a visa but they must have had an interview or do agencies not bother as long as they get payed . Sooner be a fool than deluded . trevhd
  • Score: -1

10:04pm Mon 7 Apr 14

trevhd says...

Excluded again wrote:
It's one thing to pass a 3 hour written test, its another to communicate clearly with Mrs Smith who speaks in a broad Lancashire accent and who decribes her symptoms in a roundabout way.

I was once doing some work in the Czech Republic. The Czechs spoke excellent English. One night we were joined by a bloke from Great Harwood and for a laugh we slipped into brad Lanky with a few dialect words thrown in. The Czechs suddenly had no idea what we were saying.
It was not just a written test but oral as well, it was a post grad exam for Uni entrance ,you have to take the same exam for Australia .
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: It's one thing to pass a 3 hour written test, its another to communicate clearly with Mrs Smith who speaks in a broad Lancashire accent and who decribes her symptoms in a roundabout way. I was once doing some work in the Czech Republic. The Czechs spoke excellent English. One night we were joined by a bloke from Great Harwood and for a laugh we slipped into brad Lanky with a few dialect words thrown in. The Czechs suddenly had no idea what we were saying.[/p][/quote]It was not just a written test but oral as well, it was a post grad exam for Uni entrance ,you have to take the same exam for Australia . trevhd
  • Score: 0

8:40pm Thu 10 Apr 14

shimmy says...

Filling the application form in on site and having a brief chat normally sorts things out. They need to be aware of what jobs need English to be spoken but I think in the NHS it will be most of them.
Filling the application form in on site and having a brief chat normally sorts things out. They need to be aware of what jobs need English to be spoken but I think in the NHS it will be most of them. shimmy
  • Score: 1

12:47pm Fri 11 Apr 14

LoobyLou369 says...

mrcool wrote:
trevhd wrote: We moved to New Zealand my wife is White British born. educated and did her nurse training in the UK she had to take a 3 hour English test to practice here. The UK is a joke how did these people get a visa or a job in the first place.
I guess you've forgotten how to read, now that you are thousands of miles away.....the article quite clearly refers to EUROPEAN staff. THEY DON'T NEED VISAS!!! You should get yourself back on the daily mail website and practice your scaremongering a bit more. Fool.
He said 3 hour English test, to make sure she can speak and read English!!!
Which is how it should be in this country!!!!

I had to phone Barbara castle way health centre last week, couldnt understand a word of what the receptionist was saying!!

This country is a joke, at times!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]mrcool[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trevhd[/bold] wrote: We moved to New Zealand my wife is White British born. educated and did her nurse training in the UK she had to take a 3 hour English test to practice here. The UK is a joke how did these people get a visa or a job in the first place.[/p][/quote]I guess you've forgotten how to read, now that you are thousands of miles away.....the article quite clearly refers to EUROPEAN staff. THEY DON'T NEED VISAS!!! You should get yourself back on the daily mail website and practice your scaremongering a bit more. Fool.[/p][/quote]He said 3 hour English test, to make sure she can speak and read English!!! Which is how it should be in this country!!!! I had to phone Barbara castle way health centre last week, couldnt understand a word of what the receptionist was saying!! This country is a joke, at times!!!!! LoobyLou369
  • Score: 1

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