East Lancs teachers walk out over pay and conditions

East Lancs teachers to walk out over pay and conditions

East Lancs teachers to walk out over pay and conditions

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SCHOOLS across East Lancashire have closed today as teachers join in a national strike.

Dozens of high schools and primary schools have decided to take part in either a full, or partial, closure as teachers strike over pay, conditions and pensions.

It comes after Lancashire union leaders said teachers were leaving the profession to stack shelves and drive buses.

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(If your school is not listed, please check directly with the school)

Blackburn and Lancashire NUT representative Simon Jones said: “Teachers deeply regret the disruption caused by this strike to parents and teachers.

“The Government’s refusal, however, to engage to resolve the dispute means we have no alternative other than to demonstrate the seriousness of our concerns.

“Our concerns are not just for teachers, but for the future standard and provision of education”.

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Lancashire LEA primary schools completing a whole school all day closure include Burnley Casterton Primary School, Chatburn CE School, and Rosewood Primary, in Burnley. Partial closures for reception and years 3 and 4 will affect Great Harwood Primary School.

Burnley Brunshaw Primary will also open for reception and year 6 pupils only.

Partial closures will also affect high schools such as Holy Cross and Southlands High in Chorley In Blackburn with Darwen, the majority of primary schools, a total of 32, will close for the whole day and 26 have confirmed they will remain open.

Closures Audley Junior School, Meadowhead Junior and Infant School, Shadsworth Junior School, Cedars Primary and Brookhouse Primary School St Stephen’s Tockholes CofE Primary School, St Paul's Roman Catholic Primary School, Feniscowles will also close completely.

Darwen Vale High School is to carry out a complete closure.

In the Ribble Valley, Bowland High will close to all pupils except those in year 11.

Blackburn with Darwen Schools who will be undertaking just a partial closure include St Thomas’s Centre, Feniscowles Primary School, Witton Park High School, Our Lady and St John Catholic College and Newfield School.

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10:17am Tue 25 Mar 14

burner says...

Remember this ? . . . Quote from Guardian newspaper, 2013 . . " In the NUT's ballot in September 2012, 82.5% voted in favour of strike action with a turnout of 27% "

Only 21.6% voted to strike - 78.4% of NUT did NOT want to strike. Yet here we are .
Remember this ? . . . Quote from Guardian newspaper, 2013 . . " In the NUT's ballot in September 2012, 82.5% voted in favour of strike action with a turnout of 27% " Only 21.6% voted to strike - 78.4% of NUT did NOT want to strike. Yet here we are . burner
  • Score: 3

10:34am Tue 25 Mar 14

TONY WALES says...

Yet another complete wast of time.
The government will not move and neither will the teachers.
Parents are left with the task of finding somebody to look after their children, maybe having to lose money.
Nobody in the country could really care less about teachers pay, everybody thinks they get paid enough and have too many holidays.
Unless you can fetch the country to a halt, by being a petrol tanker driver, or close down a power station, nobody could care less The same with workers at the law courts.
When will unions realise that the days of going on strike are over, Bob Crowe is dead the unions are dead.
So enjoy the day holiday (without pay), and the sooner the Chinese teachers arrive the better, at least they produce good results.
Yet another complete wast of time. The government will not move and neither will the teachers. Parents are left with the task of finding somebody to look after their children, maybe having to lose money. Nobody in the country could really care less about teachers pay, everybody thinks they get paid enough and have too many holidays. Unless you can fetch the country to a halt, by being a petrol tanker driver, or close down a power station, nobody could care less The same with workers at the law courts. When will unions realise that the days of going on strike are over, Bob Crowe is dead the unions are dead. So enjoy the day holiday (without pay), and the sooner the Chinese teachers arrive the better, at least they produce good results. TONY WALES
  • Score: -12

10:35am Tue 25 Mar 14

A Darener says...

Those that voted against strike action should defy their union and go into work.
Those that voted against strike action should defy their union and go into work. A Darener
  • Score: 1

10:50am Tue 25 Mar 14

Frisson says...

CAN WE NOT FINE THE SCHOOL IF THEY STRIKE FOR NON ATTANDANCE
CAN WE NOT FINE THE SCHOOL IF THEY STRIKE FOR NON ATTANDANCE Frisson
  • Score: 15

11:33am Tue 25 Mar 14

Tinkies says...

So its alright for them to take a day out but God forbid as a parent we do the same with our child. I don't disagree with why they are doing it, but certainly at The Redeemer School they are doing themselves no favours with their zero tolerance of time off and now even fining parents if their child is late. Just go back to the job you do the best, teaching the children and try to be more amiable with all this bureaucracy being thrown your way.
So its alright for them to take a day out but God forbid as a parent we do the same with our child. I don't disagree with why they are doing it, but certainly at The Redeemer School they are doing themselves no favours with their zero tolerance of time off and now even fining parents if their child is late. Just go back to the job you do the best, teaching the children and try to be more amiable with all this bureaucracy being thrown your way. Tinkies
  • Score: 3

11:52am Tue 25 Mar 14

Fire Fly says...

How did Emma Cruces become an EDUCATION reporter when she can't read!

Feniscowles primary is listed as both fully closed and partially closed...had she taken the time to look at the links provided in her column, she would have seen that the school will be partially closed only.

Very shoddy.
How did Emma Cruces become an EDUCATION reporter when she can't read! Feniscowles primary is listed as both fully closed and partially closed...had she taken the time to look at the links provided in her column, she would have seen that the school will be partially closed only. Very shoddy. Fire Fly
  • Score: 4

12:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

charmed-one says...

Tinkies wrote:
So its alright for them to take a day out but God forbid as a parent we do the same with our child. I don't disagree with why they are doing it, but certainly at The Redeemer School they are doing themselves no favours with their zero tolerance of time off and now even fining parents if their child is late. Just go back to the job you do the best, teaching the children and try to be more amiable with all this bureaucracy being thrown your way.
Parents are fined for taking their children out of school for holidays, because they are told to by the Govt, so stop blaming schools. The Education Welfare Officer comes in each half term to scrutinise the registers - these are the people who instigate the fines. Most of the teachers I've worked with in several schools, have no problem with children having a fortnight off each year for a family holiday - I think the fines were implemented because of those who have more time off than are actually in school, and those who go on 'extended' holidays! I personally, understand that not everyone can arrange their holidays during the 'holiday' season (my dad used to work in a factory where only 2 could be off per shift) and because of the huge price increases.
And it would be lovely if teachers could actually get back to teaching, but with all the new initiatives, targets and bureaucracy, it's damned near impossible.
[quote][p][bold]Tinkies[/bold] wrote: So its alright for them to take a day out but God forbid as a parent we do the same with our child. I don't disagree with why they are doing it, but certainly at The Redeemer School they are doing themselves no favours with their zero tolerance of time off and now even fining parents if their child is late. Just go back to the job you do the best, teaching the children and try to be more amiable with all this bureaucracy being thrown your way.[/p][/quote]Parents are fined for taking their children out of school for holidays, because they are told to by the Govt, so stop blaming schools. The Education Welfare Officer comes in each half term to scrutinise the registers - these are the people who instigate the fines. Most of the teachers I've worked with in several schools, have no problem with children having a fortnight off each year for a family holiday - I think the fines were implemented because of those who have more time off than are actually in school, and those who go on 'extended' holidays! I personally, understand that not everyone can arrange their holidays during the 'holiday' season (my dad used to work in a factory where only 2 could be off per shift) and because of the huge price increases. And it would be lovely if teachers could actually get back to teaching, but with all the new initiatives, targets and bureaucracy, it's damned near impossible. charmed-one
  • Score: 17

3:49pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Jimbok says...

Teachers are a fairly privileged bunch compared to most working folk, yet they want more from us. The real losers are the children, who of course have no influence at all.
Teachers are a fairly privileged bunch compared to most working folk, yet they want more from us. The real losers are the children, who of course have no influence at all. Jimbok
  • Score: 3

6:41pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Timefor says...

Many of the comments so far seem a bit harsh! As I understand it, teachers are taking their actions largely because Mr Gove, the education secretary, wont negotiate on anything other than how to implement the changes he wants to see introduced. Changes which will affect teachers, their futures and indeed the quality of teaching available to our children.

Are teachers wrong to take action? Not if they have followed the law and procedures. At the end of the day, they are simply working people being forced to defend themselves and their conditions by this horrible government who, no doubt, will use the strike action as ammunition in the future. Course it inconveniences parents and children alike which is more than regrettable but at the end of the day, Mr Gove alone could prevent all of this by simply agreeing to enter into proper negotiations re his proposals.

Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, I'm not a teacher but i am someone who is absolutely fed up with this government dismantling the services we own.
Many of the comments so far seem a bit harsh! As I understand it, teachers are taking their actions largely because Mr Gove, the education secretary, wont negotiate on anything other than how to implement the changes he wants to see introduced. Changes which will affect teachers, their futures and indeed the quality of teaching available to our children. Are teachers wrong to take action? Not if they have followed the law and procedures. At the end of the day, they are simply working people being forced to defend themselves and their conditions by this horrible government who, no doubt, will use the strike action as ammunition in the future. Course it inconveniences parents and children alike which is more than regrettable but at the end of the day, Mr Gove alone could prevent all of this by simply agreeing to enter into proper negotiations re his proposals. Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, I'm not a teacher but i am someone who is absolutely fed up with this government dismantling the services we own. Timefor
  • Score: 15

6:41pm Tue 25 Mar 14

darwenlass1 says...

Fire Fly wrote:
How did Emma Cruces become an EDUCATION reporter when she can't read!

Feniscowles primary is listed as both fully closed and partially closed...had she taken the time to look at the links provided in her column, she would have seen that the school will be partially closed only.

Very shoddy.
Perhaps it's you who can't read properly!! She was referring to St Paul's R.C. school in Feniscowles not Feniscowles Primary. Hope she accepts your most sincere APOLOGY which you will no doubt make just as quickly as you were to criticise
[quote][p][bold]Fire Fly[/bold] wrote: How did Emma Cruces become an EDUCATION reporter when she can't read! Feniscowles primary is listed as both fully closed and partially closed...had she taken the time to look at the links provided in her column, she would have seen that the school will be partially closed only. Very shoddy.[/p][/quote]Perhaps it's you who can't read properly!! She was referring to St Paul's R.C. school in Feniscowles not Feniscowles Primary. Hope she accepts your most sincere APOLOGY which you will no doubt make just as quickly as you were to criticise darwenlass1
  • Score: 5

8:03pm Tue 25 Mar 14

woodyads says...

darwenlass1 wrote:
Fire Fly wrote:
How did Emma Cruces become an EDUCATION reporter when she can't read!

Feniscowles primary is listed as both fully closed and partially closed...had she taken the time to look at the links provided in her column, she would have seen that the school will be partially closed only.

Very shoddy.
Perhaps it's you who can't read properly!! She was referring to St Paul's R.C. school in Feniscowles not Feniscowles Primary. Hope she accepts your most sincere APOLOGY which you will no doubt make just as quickly as you were to criticise
I was just about to make that same point :-)
People who are quick to criticise other should check their facts first...
[quote][p][bold]darwenlass1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fire Fly[/bold] wrote: How did Emma Cruces become an EDUCATION reporter when she can't read! Feniscowles primary is listed as both fully closed and partially closed...had she taken the time to look at the links provided in her column, she would have seen that the school will be partially closed only. Very shoddy.[/p][/quote]Perhaps it's you who can't read properly!! She was referring to St Paul's R.C. school in Feniscowles not Feniscowles Primary. Hope she accepts your most sincere APOLOGY which you will no doubt make just as quickly as you were to criticise[/p][/quote]I was just about to make that same point :-) People who are quick to criticise other should check their facts first... woodyads
  • Score: 3

11:12pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Oscar2 says...

Tinkies wrote:
So its alright for them to take a day out but God forbid as a parent we do the same with our child. I don't disagree with why they are doing it, but certainly at The Redeemer School they are doing themselves no favours with their zero tolerance of time off and now even fining parents if their child is late. Just go back to the job you do the best, teaching the children and try to be more amiable with all this bureaucracy being thrown your way.
Why on earth are you having a go at The Redeemer School- there are loads of others closing?
The school has no choice but to implement zero tolerance to time off this comes straight from the Government. Any school not doing it is breaking the law. My child goes to that school I am just grateful for all the hard work that those teachers put in.
[quote][p][bold]Tinkies[/bold] wrote: So its alright for them to take a day out but God forbid as a parent we do the same with our child. I don't disagree with why they are doing it, but certainly at The Redeemer School they are doing themselves no favours with their zero tolerance of time off and now even fining parents if their child is late. Just go back to the job you do the best, teaching the children and try to be more amiable with all this bureaucracy being thrown your way.[/p][/quote]Why on earth are you having a go at The Redeemer School- there are loads of others closing? The school has no choice but to implement zero tolerance to time off this comes straight from the Government. Any school not doing it is breaking the law. My child goes to that school I am just grateful for all the hard work that those teachers put in. Oscar2
  • Score: 8

11:13pm Tue 25 Mar 14

devo12 says...

burner wrote:
Remember this ? . . . Quote from Guardian newspaper, 2013 . . " In the NUT's ballot in September 2012, 82.5% voted in favour of strike action with a turnout of 27% "

Only 21.6% voted to strike - 78.4% of NUT did NOT want to strike. Yet here we are .
if 78.4% did NOT want to vote then why didn't they get off their ar5e5 and vote not to strike you pill0ck
[quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: Remember this ? . . . Quote from Guardian newspaper, 2013 . . " In the NUT's ballot in September 2012, 82.5% voted in favour of strike action with a turnout of 27% " Only 21.6% voted to strike - 78.4% of NUT did NOT want to strike. Yet here we are .[/p][/quote]if 78.4% did NOT want to vote then why didn't they get off their ar5e5 and vote not to strike you pill0ck devo12
  • Score: 1

11:18pm Tue 25 Mar 14

devo12 says...

TONY WALES wrote:
Yet another complete wast of time.
The government will not move and neither will the teachers.
Parents are left with the task of finding somebody to look after their children, maybe having to lose money.
Nobody in the country could really care less about teachers pay, everybody thinks they get paid enough and have too many holidays.
Unless you can fetch the country to a halt, by being a petrol tanker driver, or close down a power station, nobody could care less The same with workers at the law courts.
When will unions realise that the days of going on strike are over, Bob Crowe is dead the unions are dead.
So enjoy the day holiday (without pay), and the sooner the Chinese teachers arrive the better, at least they produce good results.
you uninformed ignorant naive fool, just because you are happy with your low paid, few holidays, poor conditions of a job don't expect everyone else to settle for similar, some people strive to better themselves and get pay that reflects the hard work they do. Go and teach in a classroom yourself if it is that easy.
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: Yet another complete wast of time. The government will not move and neither will the teachers. Parents are left with the task of finding somebody to look after their children, maybe having to lose money. Nobody in the country could really care less about teachers pay, everybody thinks they get paid enough and have too many holidays. Unless you can fetch the country to a halt, by being a petrol tanker driver, or close down a power station, nobody could care less The same with workers at the law courts. When will unions realise that the days of going on strike are over, Bob Crowe is dead the unions are dead. So enjoy the day holiday (without pay), and the sooner the Chinese teachers arrive the better, at least they produce good results.[/p][/quote]you uninformed ignorant naive fool, just because you are happy with your low paid, few holidays, poor conditions of a job don't expect everyone else to settle for similar, some people strive to better themselves and get pay that reflects the hard work they do. Go and teach in a classroom yourself if it is that easy. devo12
  • Score: 4

11:21pm Tue 25 Mar 14

devo12 says...

Jimbok wrote:
Teachers are a fairly privileged bunch compared to most working folk, yet they want more from us. The real losers are the children, who of course have no influence at all.
privileged? how? go do the job yourself if it is that easy
[quote][p][bold]Jimbok[/bold] wrote: Teachers are a fairly privileged bunch compared to most working folk, yet they want more from us. The real losers are the children, who of course have no influence at all.[/p][/quote]privileged? how? go do the job yourself if it is that easy devo12
  • Score: 3

12:06am Wed 26 Mar 14

burner says...

Maths is not your strong point, is it, devo ?
Maths is not your strong point, is it, devo ? burner
  • Score: 6

10:11am Wed 26 Mar 14

TONY WALES says...

devo12 wrote:
TONY WALES wrote:
Yet another complete wast of time.
The government will not move and neither will the teachers.
Parents are left with the task of finding somebody to look after their children, maybe having to lose money.
Nobody in the country could really care less about teachers pay, everybody thinks they get paid enough and have too many holidays.
Unless you can fetch the country to a halt, by being a petrol tanker driver, or close down a power station, nobody could care less The same with workers at the law courts.
When will unions realise that the days of going on strike are over, Bob Crowe is dead the unions are dead.
So enjoy the day holiday (without pay), and the sooner the Chinese teachers arrive the better, at least they produce good results.
you uninformed ignorant naive fool, just because you are happy with your low paid, few holidays, poor conditions of a job don't expect everyone else to settle for similar, some people strive to better themselves and get pay that reflects the hard work they do. Go and teach in a classroom yourself if it is that easy.
I am not losing a day's pay for a total waste of time.
Any idiot can go on strike, and since when has a teacher's strike got you a better pay deal.
The reason you are fed up, is because the government will not talk to you, they also know you are wasting your time, and someday when you realise all you are doing is losing more, and more money, and not getting anywhere, you will stop going on strike.
And when teachers talk
about holiday's the whole country just laughs, 12 or 13 weeks off a year?
So please carry on with the insults the whole country thinks the strike is a complete waste of time, and any idiot can take a day off and lose money.
And not working will not pay the food or gas bill.........
Can you please explain to the country why you think teachers are special compared with other jobs?
[quote][p][bold]devo12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: Yet another complete wast of time. The government will not move and neither will the teachers. Parents are left with the task of finding somebody to look after their children, maybe having to lose money. Nobody in the country could really care less about teachers pay, everybody thinks they get paid enough and have too many holidays. Unless you can fetch the country to a halt, by being a petrol tanker driver, or close down a power station, nobody could care less The same with workers at the law courts. When will unions realise that the days of going on strike are over, Bob Crowe is dead the unions are dead. So enjoy the day holiday (without pay), and the sooner the Chinese teachers arrive the better, at least they produce good results.[/p][/quote]you uninformed ignorant naive fool, just because you are happy with your low paid, few holidays, poor conditions of a job don't expect everyone else to settle for similar, some people strive to better themselves and get pay that reflects the hard work they do. Go and teach in a classroom yourself if it is that easy.[/p][/quote]I am not losing a day's pay for a total waste of time. Any idiot can go on strike, and since when has a teacher's strike got you a better pay deal. The reason you are fed up, is because the government will not talk to you, they also know you are wasting your time, and someday when you realise all you are doing is losing more, and more money, and not getting anywhere, you will stop going on strike. And when teachers talk about holiday's the whole country just laughs, 12 or 13 weeks off a year? So please carry on with the insults the whole country thinks the strike is a complete waste of time, and any idiot can take a day off and lose money. And not working will not pay the food or gas bill......... Can you please explain to the country why you think teachers are special compared with other jobs? TONY WALES
  • Score: 0

11:36am Wed 26 Mar 14

louderfasterlonger says...

Tinkies wrote:
So its alright for them to take a day out but God forbid as a parent we do the same with our child. I don't disagree with why they are doing it, but certainly at The Redeemer School they are doing themselves no favours with their zero tolerance of time off and now even fining parents if their child is late. Just go back to the job you do the best, teaching the children and try to be more amiable with all this bureaucracy being thrown your way.
Teachers do not make the rules on fining for non-attendance.
[quote][p][bold]Tinkies[/bold] wrote: So its alright for them to take a day out but God forbid as a parent we do the same with our child. I don't disagree with why they are doing it, but certainly at The Redeemer School they are doing themselves no favours with their zero tolerance of time off and now even fining parents if their child is late. Just go back to the job you do the best, teaching the children and try to be more amiable with all this bureaucracy being thrown your way.[/p][/quote]Teachers do not make the rules on fining for non-attendance. louderfasterlonger
  • Score: 8

12:42pm Wed 26 Mar 14

joe2 says...

My partner is a teacher and therefore i feel i can comment here from someone who knows what they are talking about. Teachers pay is very low compared to the amount of actual hours they put in....let me explain to those who are ignorant of the facts. She does not finish at 3.30 when the children go home, every day she runs after school clubs until normally 6.30pm, in various subjects to further the children's education, many nights she is attending and managing sports events until 8pm. Most mornings she is in work for 7am in order to plan and set up for the day so that the children are not disrupted and the day runs smoothly for them, she often works late to meet with parents (after they finsih work) to discuss children's welfare, progress and issues, governers and staff about overall school progress. As she is actually in the classroom "teaching" all day, when do you think she plans lessons, researches material and ensures the children have the best education possible? Oh yes that's at weekends and during the 12-13 weeks holidays you mention. I have many a holiday recolection of her planning education for the next term, understanding the curriculum, learning new subject matter etc. When you are on holiday do you have to do this because there is no time in your working week to do it? Oh and that's not to mention all the preparation and planning to get the year 6 children through their SATS. If you calculate the amount of hours spent on work for a teacher and divide their salary accordingly they are well under the minimum wage, yet we expect so much of them.??...Yes its inconvenient when a strike takes place but good on you teachers for standing up for yourselves against the government, I just hope that Mr Gove can see or even care about the issues because our children's education is one of the most important things in life and we need to ensure that the right people are leading them, with the passion to do the job day in and day out...If things continue then we will just see the great treachers exit the teaching profession and do a regular job that they can get paid the same for and clock off at 5pm....(not saying all jobs allow you to clock off at 5pm (mine certainly doesn't but i get paid a wage that covers for that!) ....but i am associating it with the amount of hours they are actually paid for and the amount of hours they put in, meaning they are on minimum wages in general)
My partner is a teacher and therefore i feel i can comment here from someone who knows what they are talking about. Teachers pay is very low compared to the amount of actual hours they put in....let me explain to those who are ignorant of the facts. She does not finish at 3.30 when the children go home, every day she runs after school clubs until normally 6.30pm, in various subjects to further the children's education, many nights she is attending and managing sports events until 8pm. Most mornings she is in work for 7am in order to plan and set up for the day so that the children are not disrupted and the day runs smoothly for them, she often works late to meet with parents (after they finsih work) to discuss children's welfare, progress and issues, governers and staff about overall school progress. As she is actually in the classroom "teaching" all day, when do you think she plans lessons, researches material and ensures the children have the best education possible? Oh yes that's at weekends and during the 12-13 weeks holidays you mention. I have many a holiday recolection of her planning education for the next term, understanding the curriculum, learning new subject matter etc. When you are on holiday do you have to do this because there is no time in your working week to do it? Oh and that's not to mention all the preparation and planning to get the year 6 children through their SATS. If you calculate the amount of hours spent on work for a teacher and divide their salary accordingly they are well under the minimum wage, yet we expect so much of them.??...Yes its inconvenient when a strike takes place but good on you teachers for standing up for yourselves against the government, I just hope that Mr Gove can see or even care about the issues because our children's education is one of the most important things in life and we need to ensure that the right people are leading them, with the passion to do the job day in and day out...If things continue then we will just see the great treachers exit the teaching profession and do a regular job that they can get paid the same for and clock off at 5pm....(not saying all jobs allow you to clock off at 5pm (mine certainly doesn't but i get paid a wage that covers for that!) ....but i am associating it with the amount of hours they are actually paid for and the amount of hours they put in, meaning they are on minimum wages in general) joe2
  • Score: 10

4:22pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Oscar2 says...

joe2 wrote:
My partner is a teacher and therefore i feel i can comment here from someone who knows what they are talking about. Teachers pay is very low compared to the amount of actual hours they put in....let me explain to those who are ignorant of the facts. She does not finish at 3.30 when the children go home, every day she runs after school clubs until normally 6.30pm, in various subjects to further the children's education, many nights she is attending and managing sports events until 8pm. Most mornings she is in work for 7am in order to plan and set up for the day so that the children are not disrupted and the day runs smoothly for them, she often works late to meet with parents (after they finsih work) to discuss children's welfare, progress and issues, governers and staff about overall school progress. As she is actually in the classroom "teaching" all day, when do you think she plans lessons, researches material and ensures the children have the best education possible? Oh yes that's at weekends and during the 12-13 weeks holidays you mention. I have many a holiday recolection of her planning education for the next term, understanding the curriculum, learning new subject matter etc. When you are on holiday do you have to do this because there is no time in your working week to do it? Oh and that's not to mention all the preparation and planning to get the year 6 children through their SATS. If you calculate the amount of hours spent on work for a teacher and divide their salary accordingly they are well under the minimum wage, yet we expect so much of them.??...Yes its inconvenient when a strike takes place but good on you teachers for standing up for yourselves against the government, I just hope that Mr Gove can see or even care about the issues because our children's education is one of the most important things in life and we need to ensure that the right people are leading them, with the passion to do the job day in and day out...If things continue then we will just see the great treachers exit the teaching profession and do a regular job that they can get paid the same for and clock off at 5pm....(not saying all jobs allow you to clock off at 5pm (mine certainly doesn't but i get paid a wage that covers for that!) ....but i am associating it with the amount of hours they are actually paid for and the amount of hours they put in, meaning they are on minimum wages in general)
Thank goodness that someone at last who has first hand experience of what a teacher actually does. Refreshing that someone can articulate reality rather than those who speak from total ignorance or just believe all thar they hear from the right wing media. I do wonder why so many of those above who clearly think this is an easy job don't actually opt for a career change. I truly appreciate all that your wife and others do and wish her well. My child is fortunate to receive an outstanding education from committed teachers and I trust their reasons for fighting the demise of their profession. I don't want my child taught by unqualified teachers or demoralised professionals.
[quote][p][bold]joe2[/bold] wrote: My partner is a teacher and therefore i feel i can comment here from someone who knows what they are talking about. Teachers pay is very low compared to the amount of actual hours they put in....let me explain to those who are ignorant of the facts. She does not finish at 3.30 when the children go home, every day she runs after school clubs until normally 6.30pm, in various subjects to further the children's education, many nights she is attending and managing sports events until 8pm. Most mornings she is in work for 7am in order to plan and set up for the day so that the children are not disrupted and the day runs smoothly for them, she often works late to meet with parents (after they finsih work) to discuss children's welfare, progress and issues, governers and staff about overall school progress. As she is actually in the classroom "teaching" all day, when do you think she plans lessons, researches material and ensures the children have the best education possible? Oh yes that's at weekends and during the 12-13 weeks holidays you mention. I have many a holiday recolection of her planning education for the next term, understanding the curriculum, learning new subject matter etc. When you are on holiday do you have to do this because there is no time in your working week to do it? Oh and that's not to mention all the preparation and planning to get the year 6 children through their SATS. If you calculate the amount of hours spent on work for a teacher and divide their salary accordingly they are well under the minimum wage, yet we expect so much of them.??...Yes its inconvenient when a strike takes place but good on you teachers for standing up for yourselves against the government, I just hope that Mr Gove can see or even care about the issues because our children's education is one of the most important things in life and we need to ensure that the right people are leading them, with the passion to do the job day in and day out...If things continue then we will just see the great treachers exit the teaching profession and do a regular job that they can get paid the same for and clock off at 5pm....(not saying all jobs allow you to clock off at 5pm (mine certainly doesn't but i get paid a wage that covers for that!) ....but i am associating it with the amount of hours they are actually paid for and the amount of hours they put in, meaning they are on minimum wages in general)[/p][/quote]Thank goodness that someone at last who has first hand experience of what a teacher actually does. Refreshing that someone can articulate reality rather than those who speak from total ignorance or just believe all thar they hear from the right wing media. I do wonder why so many of those above who clearly think this is an easy job don't actually opt for a career change. I truly appreciate all that your wife and others do and wish her well. My child is fortunate to receive an outstanding education from committed teachers and I trust their reasons for fighting the demise of their profession. I don't want my child taught by unqualified teachers or demoralised professionals. Oscar2
  • Score: 10

11:33pm Wed 26 Mar 14

not too old to care says...

Timefor wrote:
Many of the comments so far seem a bit harsh! As I understand it, teachers are taking their actions largely because Mr Gove, the education secretary, wont negotiate on anything other than how to implement the changes he wants to see introduced. Changes which will affect teachers, their futures and indeed the quality of teaching available to our children.

Are teachers wrong to take action? Not if they have followed the law and procedures. At the end of the day, they are simply working people being forced to defend themselves and their conditions by this horrible government who, no doubt, will use the strike action as ammunition in the future. Course it inconveniences parents and children alike which is more than regrettable but at the end of the day, Mr Gove alone could prevent all of this by simply agreeing to enter into proper negotiations re his proposals.

Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, I'm not a teacher but i am someone who is absolutely fed up with this government dismantling the services we own.
Something for you "Timefor" to consider.

We do not own any Services. We only pay for them and if the teaching staff who I presume themselves have to live within a budget fail to see this, we shouldn't be paying them at all.

Stop blaming the Government for their personal greed.
Compare their employment to the majority of hard working families:

Good rate of pay,
Job security,
Good clean working environment
Designated parking for their cars,
Sick pay
Long holidays with pay,
Fantastic Pension Schemes even with their new contributions

Does sound a bit harsh doesn't it.
Who in their right mind would want such a job?

Seriously, not all teachers have chose to strike. Just the bad ones.

SHAME ON THEM
[quote][p][bold]Timefor[/bold] wrote: Many of the comments so far seem a bit harsh! As I understand it, teachers are taking their actions largely because Mr Gove, the education secretary, wont negotiate on anything other than how to implement the changes he wants to see introduced. Changes which will affect teachers, their futures and indeed the quality of teaching available to our children. Are teachers wrong to take action? Not if they have followed the law and procedures. At the end of the day, they are simply working people being forced to defend themselves and their conditions by this horrible government who, no doubt, will use the strike action as ammunition in the future. Course it inconveniences parents and children alike which is more than regrettable but at the end of the day, Mr Gove alone could prevent all of this by simply agreeing to enter into proper negotiations re his proposals. Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, I'm not a teacher but i am someone who is absolutely fed up with this government dismantling the services we own.[/p][/quote]Something for you "Timefor" to consider. We do not own any Services. We only pay for them and if the teaching staff who I presume themselves have to live within a budget fail to see this, we shouldn't be paying them at all. Stop blaming the Government for their personal greed. Compare their employment to the majority of hard working families: Good rate of pay, Job security, Good clean working environment Designated parking for their cars, Sick pay Long holidays with pay, Fantastic Pension Schemes even with their new contributions Does sound a bit harsh doesn't it. Who in their right mind would want such a job? Seriously, not all teachers have chose to strike. Just the bad ones. SHAME ON THEM not too old to care
  • Score: -11

11:39pm Wed 26 Mar 14

mrcool says...

TONY WALES wrote:
Yet another complete wast of time.
The government will not move and neither will the teachers.
Parents are left with the task of finding somebody to look after their children, maybe having to lose money.
Nobody in the country could really care less about teachers pay, everybody thinks they get paid enough and have too many holidays.
Unless you can fetch the country to a halt, by being a petrol tanker driver, or close down a power station, nobody could care less The same with workers at the law courts.
When will unions realise that the days of going on strike are over, Bob Crowe is dead the unions are dead.
So enjoy the day holiday (without pay), and the sooner the Chinese teachers arrive the better, at least they produce good results.
This coming from the idiot who is always making racist and negative comments about immigrants and immigration. "Chinese teachers" eh? Immigration is fine when suits YOU eh?
[quote][p][bold]TONY WALES[/bold] wrote: Yet another complete wast of time. The government will not move and neither will the teachers. Parents are left with the task of finding somebody to look after their children, maybe having to lose money. Nobody in the country could really care less about teachers pay, everybody thinks they get paid enough and have too many holidays. Unless you can fetch the country to a halt, by being a petrol tanker driver, or close down a power station, nobody could care less The same with workers at the law courts. When will unions realise that the days of going on strike are over, Bob Crowe is dead the unions are dead. So enjoy the day holiday (without pay), and the sooner the Chinese teachers arrive the better, at least they produce good results.[/p][/quote]This coming from the idiot who is always making racist and negative comments about immigrants and immigration. "Chinese teachers" eh? Immigration is fine when suits YOU eh? mrcool
  • Score: 3

6:00am Thu 27 Mar 14

Timefor says...

Tempting as it is to argue the toss with you "too old to care" I aint getting dragged into that other than to offer a thought that a race to the bottom is what you and our politicians want and I cant support that.

The question for me (and for teachers) is, "what happens next"? I think it clear that most ordinary, decent people want good, local schools, with qualified teachers, who aren't subject to endless attacks from Labour or the Tories, looking to undermine their pay, conditions and the entire concept of state-funded, comprehensive education. Similarly and, in my view, correctly, at least some, are not prepared to be dictated to and treated like some sort of serf by having their pay, conditions etc dictated to them according to any prevalent ideology.

I cannot believe that any teacher wants to see children or their parents suffer and, indeed, most, if not all,do want to provide the best possible start for children and young people. They know the benefits of a good education with most having benefitted from just this.

So, where does that leave them? Well, I guess, some may want to say that they have made their point and simply acquiesce to the dictats and maybe there should be an or inserted there. However, their efforts would then have been in vain other than having served as yet another signing of this government's attitude to all of us. My position is that our children deserve to be taught by properly qualified staff who are paid fairly, treated properly and not worked into the ground and, therefore, if they as a profession decide to extend their actions, for sure, they would have my support and, I suspect, that of a lot of others too.
Tempting as it is to argue the toss with you "too old to care" I aint getting dragged into that other than to offer a thought that a race to the bottom is what you and our politicians want and I cant support that. The question for me (and for teachers) is, "what happens next"? I think it clear that most ordinary, decent people want good, local schools, with qualified teachers, who aren't subject to endless attacks from Labour or the Tories, looking to undermine their pay, conditions and the entire concept of state-funded, comprehensive education. Similarly and, in my view, correctly, at least some, are not prepared to be dictated to and treated like some sort of serf by having their pay, conditions etc dictated to them according to any prevalent ideology. I cannot believe that any teacher wants to see children or their parents suffer and, indeed, most, if not all,do want to provide the best possible start for children and young people. They know the benefits of a good education with most having benefitted from just this. So, where does that leave them? Well, I guess, some may want to say that they have made their point and simply acquiesce to the dictats and maybe there should be an or inserted there. However, their efforts would then have been in vain other than having served as yet another signing of this government's attitude to all of us. My position is that our children deserve to be taught by properly qualified staff who are paid fairly, treated properly and not worked into the ground and, therefore, if they as a profession decide to extend their actions, for sure, they would have my support and, I suspect, that of a lot of others too. Timefor
  • Score: 2

9:01am Thu 27 Mar 14

burner says...

!!!!!!! " Designated parking for their cars, " !!!!! , , , ,, , this is ABSOLUTE proof that you have not got a clue what you are talking about , not old enough to know !!!!
!!!!!!! " Designated parking for their cars, " !!!!! , , , ,, , this is ABSOLUTE proof that you have not got a clue what you are talking about , not old enough to know !!!! burner
  • Score: 4

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