Corruption in police suggested, says Blackburn MP Jack Straw

Blackburn Citizen: Jack Straw Jack Straw

INSTITUTIONAL corruption might have been found within the Metropolitan Police if an inquiry into Stephen Lawrence’s death had received all the evidence, Jack Straw has said.

The Blackburn MP and former Home Secretary said he initially believed the Met Police’s reluctance for the inquiry he announced in 1997 was a ‘bureaucratic unwillingness’ to accept scrutiny.

But Mr Straw told MPs it was now clear there was probably dishonesty at the highest level of the force, which led it to refuse to offer evidence, despite being required to do so.

Sir William Macpherson’s 1999 report, which examined the police investigation into the death of Mr Lawrence, was critical of the ‘institutional racism’ within the Met Police and policing generally.

Mr Lawrence, 18, was killed in a racist attack in April 1993.

Speaking in the Commons, Mr Straw said he was assured the Special Demonstration Squad’s (SDS) activities on subversives had stopped when he was Home Secretary, adding he knew nothing of their work during his period as Home Secretary from 1997 to 2001.

But he said he hoped the new public inquiry would get to the bottom of the issue.

Mr Straw praised current Home Secretary Theresa May’s ‘resolute determination’ in pursuing Mr Lawrence’s case, telling her: “I have to say to you, in the 35 years I’ve been in this House, this is one of the most shocking and serious statements I’ve heard by any minister from any party.”

He added: “Given what you have now said, had that evidence been offered I think it is at least possible that Sir William Macpherson and his colleagues would have not only concluded as they did that there had been institutional racism, but they may have concluded that there had been institutional corruption as well.”

Mr Straw added he was pleased the permanent secretary would examine what happened under the previous government, adding he would cooperate fully.

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6:18pm Mon 10 Mar 14

mavrick says...

I can not believe that Jack Straw concedes there may have been dishonesty at the highest level in the Met, A bureaucratic unwillingness to accept scrutiny, Sorry but is this the tail wagging the dog? The Met needs to be dismantled immediately and replaced with a service that is answerable to parliament and the minister of the day. I hope there is to be retrospective action on this matter, I too fully appreciate the Home Secretaries dogged determination to get to the bottom of this rotten stinking cesspit of of corruption run by the old boys club. Each and every one of those involved have to answer for their part in this scandal. By the way Jack this is what you call in the trade having B***S and I am a labour supporter,
I can not believe that Jack Straw concedes there may have been dishonesty at the highest level in the Met, A bureaucratic unwillingness to accept scrutiny, Sorry but is this the tail wagging the dog? The Met needs to be dismantled immediately and replaced with a service that is answerable to parliament and the minister of the day. I hope there is to be retrospective action on this matter, I too fully appreciate the Home Secretaries dogged determination to get to the bottom of this rotten stinking cesspit of of corruption run by the old boys club. Each and every one of those involved have to answer for their part in this scandal. By the way Jack this is what you call in the trade having B***S and I am a labour supporter, mavrick
  • Score: 5

7:50pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Copperhead says...

A Labour politician calling ANYONE corrupt is like Adolf Hitler calling someone racist.
A Labour politician calling ANYONE corrupt is like Adolf Hitler calling someone racist. Copperhead
  • Score: 12

8:13pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

haha best laugh I have had for ages could not make this up
haha best laugh I have had for ages could not make this up Michael@ClitheroeSince58
  • Score: 8

8:31pm Mon 10 Mar 14

happycyclist says...

Sort your own house out first, jack. The Met should have arrested at least half of you treacherous parasites in Parliament by now.
Sort your own house out first, jack. The Met should have arrested at least half of you treacherous parasites in Parliament by now. happycyclist
  • Score: 25

10:08pm Mon 10 Mar 14

psch says...

Look closer to home Lancashire Police are just as bad
Look closer to home Lancashire Police are just as bad psch
  • Score: 3

10:14pm Mon 10 Mar 14

woolywords says...

Hell-fire Jack!
This is the most spectacular own goal, since goalposts were invented!
I chit you, not.
Firstly, were you not once in the heart of Gov't, with the ability to ask, AT THAT TIME, a question of your Cabinet colleagues, or in the COBRA meetings that followed, certain rather pertinent questions?
Secondly, as Justice Secretary, didn't certain papers cross your desk, nigh on begging, for a reopening of the whole, sad and sorry, saga?

And now, you say this?
The sad fact of the matter is, the Macpherson Enquiry, was virtually sent down a blind alley, to find a piece of evidence, placed for them to find.
This may come as an huge shock to you, Jack, but, never, in the whole recorded history of governance, have so many people, supposed to be in power, been deluded by, so few, that were not, as occurred in the Blair years..
To learn the truth of anything here, I have to access, (using nefarious means, as only US citizens are allowed permission,) the Library of Congress articles, to find out what my own, elected Government is up to! They've even edited Hansard, to occlude the records!!
How can that be right?
And you think that the Police may be corrupt...
Why not Google the postcode, A0B 1P0, to seek my opinion?
Hell-fire Jack! This is the most spectacular own goal, since goalposts were invented! I chit you, not. Firstly, were you not once in the heart of Gov't, with the ability to ask, AT THAT TIME, a question of your Cabinet colleagues, or in the COBRA meetings that followed, certain rather pertinent questions? Secondly, as Justice Secretary, didn't certain papers cross your desk, nigh on begging, for a reopening of the whole, sad and sorry, saga? And now, you say this? The sad fact of the matter is, the Macpherson Enquiry, was virtually sent down a blind alley, to find a piece of evidence, placed for them to find. This may come as an huge shock to you, Jack, but, never, in the whole recorded history of governance, have so many people, supposed to be in power, been deluded by, so few, that were not, as occurred in the Blair years.. To learn the truth of anything here, I have to access, (using nefarious means, as only US citizens are allowed permission,) the Library of Congress articles, to find out what my own, elected Government is up to! They've even edited Hansard, to occlude the records!! How can that be right? And you think that the Police may be corrupt... Why not Google the postcode, A0B 1P0, to seek my opinion? woolywords
  • Score: 7

11:24pm Mon 10 Mar 14

M Foster says...

OFF TOPIC. I see that comment has not been allowed on another story involving Islam and Muslims, this time in connection with the issue of banning Halal slaughter. Does LT think that disallowing online discussion about the rights and wrongs of such issues, in short, denying free speech, is really the way forward in helping two distinctly different sections of society live together peacefully? I would argue not and that it is a cop-out. Soon it will be no comment allowed on ANYTHING except perhaps football.
To try and judge the feelings of its readers on this contentious issue, without confrontational comment, LT could at least run one of it's online surveys on it (ban or not ban Halal butchery) instead of the often trivial subjects it does cover. Perhaps even the result it would show is not acceptable to some or have I missed it?
OFF TOPIC. I see that comment has not been allowed on another story involving Islam and Muslims, this time in connection with the issue of banning Halal slaughter. Does LT think that disallowing online discussion about the rights and wrongs of such issues, in short, denying free speech, is really the way forward in helping two distinctly different sections of society live together peacefully? I would argue not and that it is a cop-out. Soon it will be no comment allowed on ANYTHING except perhaps football. To try and judge the feelings of its readers on this contentious issue, without confrontational comment, LT could at least run one of it's online surveys on it (ban or not ban Halal butchery) instead of the often trivial subjects it does cover. Perhaps even the result it would show is not acceptable to some or have I missed it? M Foster
  • Score: 4

12:24am Tue 11 Mar 14

woolywords says...

M Foster wrote:
OFF TOPIC. I see that comment has not been allowed on another story involving Islam and Muslims, this time in connection with the issue of banning Halal slaughter. Does LT think that disallowing online discussion about the rights and wrongs of such issues, in short, denying free speech, is really the way forward in helping two distinctly different sections of society live together peacefully? I would argue not and that it is a cop-out. Soon it will be no comment allowed on ANYTHING except perhaps football.
To try and judge the feelings of its readers on this contentious issue, without confrontational comment, LT could at least run one of it's online surveys on it (ban or not ban Halal butchery) instead of the often trivial subjects it does cover. Perhaps even the result it would show is not acceptable to some or have I missed it?
I entirely agree with what you say but..
You have to realise that, for far too long, whenever you make a comment about Islam or Muslims, you are immediately branded a racist by Muslims and so, by deluding the few, they have achieved the impossible, of convincing those in authority that Islam and Muslim is a race.
However, I'm here to explain it to you, in terms that even the more feckless amongst us can follow.
Islam tells us that everyone is born a Muslim and if they join another religion, they should revert to Islam and once enjoined, can't leave, on pain of death, from either family members or other Muslims.
Years ago, when wrestling was on the TV, anyone held in an hold that was impossible to get out of, they submitted. Then we have the word, Islam, which means to submit and is equally as impossible to get out of.
Halal is often bandied about by Muslims as being something that should be aspired to. However, this doesn't stop them dealing in slavery, drugs, alcohol or anything else in the long list of forbidden things.
Shisha is tobacco, mixed with honey, so shouldn't be judged as being tobacco, at all, when smoked indoors, in illegally operated premises.
Corner shops dealing in alcohol are Haram but nobody seems to want to say anything against this, do they?
When a Muslim shouts about racism, ask them to explain what the term, Abd, means in the context of their holy books.
Or how equally that they treat all men, including the 'pug-nosed', 'raisin heads' of both Quran and Hadiths.
Or how valid that a womans' word is, when she has been raped, and that she needs to have 4 male witnesses, to prove her case, under Shariah Law.
How is it possible for a Muslim to lie when dealing with an unbeliever, or even his own, using that well worn out thing, al tiqiya.

The thing is, they mix this gibberish up in a language that they learn to chant but barely comprehend themselves, then claim it's Allahs' law, when it only came from a man, who changed the rules as often as the desert winds changed directions.
Which goes some way to explain why they make death threats to anyone drawing a cartoon, as they don't want anyone laughing at them. They live in fear of each other, due to the weird laws that they have created and adhere to.
We each of us, in our own religions, give thanks to our gods for the daily bread, yet.. Bakeries that were set up to give an income and supply a daily need, were closed down by the Taliban, as women are not allowed to make an income. Anyone in Blackburn shouting about that, or boycotting the Taliban bakery here?
Google, Hawaiian Pizza recipe..
All of them contain Ham, a pork product, yet there is no pork in any Hawaiian Pizza in this town, except for some strange thing called, Turkey Ham..??? Are Trading Standards investigating?
Has anyone considered the implications of serving poultry, to a person expecting a porcine product or even with an allergy to it? You don't get away with anything that contains nuts, without giving a fair warning to customers, so where is the difference here?
So here I am, about to be condemned as a racist, bigot and a liar, where not a one of them will counter each point that is made here, instead, resort to the usual comments about my parentage, lack of education or how old and silly that I am..
I will quote chapter and verse of your books, to prove what I say is correct, so be warned!
[quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: OFF TOPIC. I see that comment has not been allowed on another story involving Islam and Muslims, this time in connection with the issue of banning Halal slaughter. Does LT think that disallowing online discussion about the rights and wrongs of such issues, in short, denying free speech, is really the way forward in helping two distinctly different sections of society live together peacefully? I would argue not and that it is a cop-out. Soon it will be no comment allowed on ANYTHING except perhaps football. To try and judge the feelings of its readers on this contentious issue, without confrontational comment, LT could at least run one of it's online surveys on it (ban or not ban Halal butchery) instead of the often trivial subjects it does cover. Perhaps even the result it would show is not acceptable to some or have I missed it?[/p][/quote]I entirely agree with what you say but.. You have to realise that, for far too long, whenever you make a comment about Islam or Muslims, you are immediately branded a racist by Muslims and so, by deluding the few, they have achieved the impossible, of convincing those in authority that Islam and Muslim is a race. However, I'm here to explain it to you, in terms that even the more feckless amongst us can follow. Islam tells us that everyone is born a Muslim and if they join another religion, they should revert to Islam and once enjoined, can't leave, on pain of death, from either family members or other Muslims. Years ago, when wrestling was on the TV, anyone held in an hold that was impossible to get out of, they submitted. Then we have the word, Islam, which means to submit and is equally as impossible to get out of. Halal is often bandied about by Muslims as being something that should be aspired to. However, this doesn't stop them dealing in slavery, drugs, alcohol or anything else in the long list of forbidden things. Shisha is tobacco, mixed with honey, so shouldn't be judged as being tobacco, at all, when smoked indoors, in illegally operated premises. Corner shops dealing in alcohol are Haram but nobody seems to want to say anything against this, do they? When a Muslim shouts about racism, ask them to explain what the term, Abd, means in the context of their holy books. Or how equally that they treat all men, including the 'pug-nosed', 'raisin heads' of both Quran and Hadiths. Or how valid that a womans' word is, when she has been raped, and that she needs to have 4 male witnesses, to prove her case, under Shariah Law. How is it possible for a Muslim to lie when dealing with an unbeliever, or even his own, using that well worn out thing, al tiqiya. The thing is, they mix this gibberish up in a language that they learn to chant but barely comprehend themselves, then claim it's Allahs' law, when it only came from a man, who changed the rules as often as the desert winds changed directions. Which goes some way to explain why they make death threats to anyone drawing a cartoon, as they don't want anyone laughing at them. They live in fear of each other, due to the weird laws that they have created and adhere to. We each of us, in our own religions, give thanks to our gods for the daily bread, yet.. Bakeries that were set up to give an income and supply a daily need, were closed down by the Taliban, as women are not allowed to make an income. Anyone in Blackburn shouting about that, or boycotting the Taliban bakery here? Google, Hawaiian Pizza recipe.. All of them contain Ham, a pork product, yet there is no pork in any Hawaiian Pizza in this town, except for some strange thing called, Turkey Ham..??? Are Trading Standards investigating? Has anyone considered the implications of serving poultry, to a person expecting a porcine product or even with an allergy to it? You don't get away with anything that contains nuts, without giving a fair warning to customers, so where is the difference here? So here I am, about to be condemned as a racist, bigot and a liar, where not a one of them will counter each point that is made here, instead, resort to the usual comments about my parentage, lack of education or how old and silly that I am.. I will quote chapter and verse of your books, to prove what I say is correct, so be warned! woolywords
  • Score: 8

7:01am Tue 11 Mar 14

shytalk says...

Corruption in the police is on a minor scale compared to the corruption in politics
Corruption in the police is on a minor scale compared to the corruption in politics shytalk
  • Score: 3

7:28am Tue 11 Mar 14

oneinmillion says...

woolywords wrote:
M Foster wrote:
OFF TOPIC. I see that comment has not been allowed on another story involving Islam and Muslims, this time in connection with the issue of banning Halal slaughter. Does LT think that disallowing online discussion about the rights and wrongs of such issues, in short, denying free speech, is really the way forward in helping two distinctly different sections of society live together peacefully? I would argue not and that it is a cop-out. Soon it will be no comment allowed on ANYTHING except perhaps football.
To try and judge the feelings of its readers on this contentious issue, without confrontational comment, LT could at least run one of it's online surveys on it (ban or not ban Halal butchery) instead of the often trivial subjects it does cover. Perhaps even the result it would show is not acceptable to some or have I missed it?
I entirely agree with what you say but..
You have to realise that, for far too long, whenever you make a comment about Islam or Muslims, you are immediately branded a racist by Muslims and so, by deluding the few, they have achieved the impossible, of convincing those in authority that Islam and Muslim is a race.
However, I'm here to explain it to you, in terms that even the more feckless amongst us can follow.
Islam tells us that everyone is born a Muslim and if they join another religion, they should revert to Islam and once enjoined, can't leave, on pain of death, from either family members or other Muslims.
Years ago, when wrestling was on the TV, anyone held in an hold that was impossible to get out of, they submitted. Then we have the word, Islam, which means to submit and is equally as impossible to get out of.
Halal is often bandied about by Muslims as being something that should be aspired to. However, this doesn't stop them dealing in slavery, drugs, alcohol or anything else in the long list of forbidden things.
Shisha is tobacco, mixed with honey, so shouldn't be judged as being tobacco, at all, when smoked indoors, in illegally operated premises.
Corner shops dealing in alcohol are Haram but nobody seems to want to say anything against this, do they?
When a Muslim shouts about racism, ask them to explain what the term, Abd, means in the context of their holy books.
Or how equally that they treat all men, including the 'pug-nosed', 'raisin heads' of both Quran and Hadiths.
Or how valid that a womans' word is, when she has been raped, and that she needs to have 4 male witnesses, to prove her case, under Shariah Law.
How is it possible for a Muslim to lie when dealing with an unbeliever, or even his own, using that well worn out thing, al tiqiya.

The thing is, they mix this gibberish up in a language that they learn to chant but barely comprehend themselves, then claim it's Allahs' law, when it only came from a man, who changed the rules as often as the desert winds changed directions.
Which goes some way to explain why they make death threats to anyone drawing a cartoon, as they don't want anyone laughing at them. They live in fear of each other, due to the weird laws that they have created and adhere to.
We each of us, in our own religions, give thanks to our gods for the daily bread, yet.. Bakeries that were set up to give an income and supply a daily need, were closed down by the Taliban, as women are not allowed to make an income. Anyone in Blackburn shouting about that, or boycotting the Taliban bakery here?
Google, Hawaiian Pizza recipe..
All of them contain Ham, a pork product, yet there is no pork in any Hawaiian Pizza in this town, except for some strange thing called, Turkey Ham..??? Are Trading Standards investigating?
Has anyone considered the implications of serving poultry, to a person expecting a porcine product or even with an allergy to it? You don't get away with anything that contains nuts, without giving a fair warning to customers, so where is the difference here?
So here I am, about to be condemned as a racist, bigot and a liar, where not a one of them will counter each point that is made here, instead, resort to the usual comments about my parentage, lack of education or how old and silly that I am..
I will quote chapter and verse of your books, to prove what I say is correct, so be warned!
ITS TIME YOU ACCEPT ISLAM AND BECOME A MUSLIM. SURELY IF YOU ASKED THE FIRST, THE LAST, THE ONE, THE OBVIOUS, THE ETERNAL, THE LATENT, THE ONE WHO PARDONS, THE ALL POWERFUL, THE ONE WHO HAS CONTROL OVER ALL THINGS, THE ONE UNEQUALLED, THE ALL PERFECT, THE EVERLASTING, THE COMPASSIONATE, THE MOST MERCIFUL, THE SOVEREIGN, THE MIGHTY, THE SELF GLORIOUS, THE ALL KNOWING, THE HIGHLY GRATEFUL, THE PROTECTOR, THE ALMIGHTY, THE PATRON, THE PRAISEWORTHY, THE LIGHT, THE ONE WHO EXERCISE RESPONSIBILITY OVER ALL THINGS,
THE ONE WHO CAUSES ADVANCEMENT, THE SUSTAINER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF DEATH, THE ONE WHO HAS THE POWER TO CREATE AGAIN, THE OMNIPRESENT, THE KEEPER OF COUNTS, THE LENIENT, THE MOST LOVING, THE PROTECTOR, THE GIVER OF SUSTENANCE AND STRENGTH, THE CREATOR, THE GIVER OF PEACE, THE ONE WHO GIVES GUIDANCE, THE ONE WHO GUIDES ALONG THE PATH OF VIRTUE OR ONE WHO LOVES VIRTUE AND PIETY, THE SUPPLIER OF NEEDS TO OTHERS. FOR FORGIVENESS HE WILL FORGIVE YOU SO WHAT YOU WAITING FOR? IT WILL BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU COULD ASK YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOURS TO ACCEPT ISLAM ASWELL.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: OFF TOPIC. I see that comment has not been allowed on another story involving Islam and Muslims, this time in connection with the issue of banning Halal slaughter. Does LT think that disallowing online discussion about the rights and wrongs of such issues, in short, denying free speech, is really the way forward in helping two distinctly different sections of society live together peacefully? I would argue not and that it is a cop-out. Soon it will be no comment allowed on ANYTHING except perhaps football. To try and judge the feelings of its readers on this contentious issue, without confrontational comment, LT could at least run one of it's online surveys on it (ban or not ban Halal butchery) instead of the often trivial subjects it does cover. Perhaps even the result it would show is not acceptable to some or have I missed it?[/p][/quote]I entirely agree with what you say but.. You have to realise that, for far too long, whenever you make a comment about Islam or Muslims, you are immediately branded a racist by Muslims and so, by deluding the few, they have achieved the impossible, of convincing those in authority that Islam and Muslim is a race. However, I'm here to explain it to you, in terms that even the more feckless amongst us can follow. Islam tells us that everyone is born a Muslim and if they join another religion, they should revert to Islam and once enjoined, can't leave, on pain of death, from either family members or other Muslims. Years ago, when wrestling was on the TV, anyone held in an hold that was impossible to get out of, they submitted. Then we have the word, Islam, which means to submit and is equally as impossible to get out of. Halal is often bandied about by Muslims as being something that should be aspired to. However, this doesn't stop them dealing in slavery, drugs, alcohol or anything else in the long list of forbidden things. Shisha is tobacco, mixed with honey, so shouldn't be judged as being tobacco, at all, when smoked indoors, in illegally operated premises. Corner shops dealing in alcohol are Haram but nobody seems to want to say anything against this, do they? When a Muslim shouts about racism, ask them to explain what the term, Abd, means in the context of their holy books. Or how equally that they treat all men, including the 'pug-nosed', 'raisin heads' of both Quran and Hadiths. Or how valid that a womans' word is, when she has been raped, and that she needs to have 4 male witnesses, to prove her case, under Shariah Law. How is it possible for a Muslim to lie when dealing with an unbeliever, or even his own, using that well worn out thing, al tiqiya. The thing is, they mix this gibberish up in a language that they learn to chant but barely comprehend themselves, then claim it's Allahs' law, when it only came from a man, who changed the rules as often as the desert winds changed directions. Which goes some way to explain why they make death threats to anyone drawing a cartoon, as they don't want anyone laughing at them. They live in fear of each other, due to the weird laws that they have created and adhere to. We each of us, in our own religions, give thanks to our gods for the daily bread, yet.. Bakeries that were set up to give an income and supply a daily need, were closed down by the Taliban, as women are not allowed to make an income. Anyone in Blackburn shouting about that, or boycotting the Taliban bakery here? Google, Hawaiian Pizza recipe.. All of them contain Ham, a pork product, yet there is no pork in any Hawaiian Pizza in this town, except for some strange thing called, Turkey Ham..??? Are Trading Standards investigating? Has anyone considered the implications of serving poultry, to a person expecting a porcine product or even with an allergy to it? You don't get away with anything that contains nuts, without giving a fair warning to customers, so where is the difference here? So here I am, about to be condemned as a racist, bigot and a liar, where not a one of them will counter each point that is made here, instead, resort to the usual comments about my parentage, lack of education or how old and silly that I am.. I will quote chapter and verse of your books, to prove what I say is correct, so be warned![/p][/quote]ITS TIME YOU ACCEPT ISLAM AND BECOME A MUSLIM. SURELY IF YOU ASKED THE FIRST, THE LAST, THE ONE, THE OBVIOUS, THE ETERNAL, THE LATENT, THE ONE WHO PARDONS, THE ALL POWERFUL, THE ONE WHO HAS CONTROL OVER ALL THINGS, THE ONE UNEQUALLED, THE ALL PERFECT, THE EVERLASTING, THE COMPASSIONATE, THE MOST MERCIFUL, THE SOVEREIGN, THE MIGHTY, THE SELF GLORIOUS, THE ALL KNOWING, THE HIGHLY GRATEFUL, THE PROTECTOR, THE ALMIGHTY, THE PATRON, THE PRAISEWORTHY, THE LIGHT, THE ONE WHO EXERCISE RESPONSIBILITY OVER ALL THINGS, THE ONE WHO CAUSES ADVANCEMENT, THE SUSTAINER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF DEATH, THE ONE WHO HAS THE POWER TO CREATE AGAIN, THE OMNIPRESENT, THE KEEPER OF COUNTS, THE LENIENT, THE MOST LOVING, THE PROTECTOR, THE GIVER OF SUSTENANCE AND STRENGTH, THE CREATOR, THE GIVER OF PEACE, THE ONE WHO GIVES GUIDANCE, THE ONE WHO GUIDES ALONG THE PATH OF VIRTUE OR ONE WHO LOVES VIRTUE AND PIETY, THE SUPPLIER OF NEEDS TO OTHERS. FOR FORGIVENESS HE WILL FORGIVE YOU SO WHAT YOU WAITING FOR? IT WILL BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU COULD ASK YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOURS TO ACCEPT ISLAM ASWELL. oneinmillion
  • Score: -8

8:06am Tue 11 Mar 14

Pendle Bill says...

How about investigating something a bit closer to home, Mr Straw? Such as the allegations of corruption in this town's Town Hall, in particular in the Education Department? Or is that a vote-loser?
How about investigating something a bit closer to home, Mr Straw? Such as the allegations of corruption in this town's Town Hall, in particular in the Education Department? Or is that a vote-loser? Pendle Bill
  • Score: 4

9:45am Tue 11 Mar 14

TheRealTauheedul says...

Pendle Hill, absolutely. But he is patron of one such corrupt organisation.
Pendle Hill, absolutely. But he is patron of one such corrupt organisation. TheRealTauheedul
  • Score: 1

11:56am Tue 11 Mar 14

leyton says...

adding he knew nothing of their work during his period as Home Secretary from 1997 to 2001.Of course he didn't lol They are as corrupt as the government of the time .Hillsborough ,the miners strike the list is endless and they are still at it now;the lancs force is totally corrupt; well the Burnley one is . I wouldn't trust them as far as i could throw Straw.When the parliament sets the standard by all being corrupt and greedy why wouldn't the police think they can do what they like..
adding he knew nothing of their work during his period as Home Secretary from 1997 to 2001.Of course he didn't lol They are as corrupt as the government of the time .Hillsborough ,the miners strike the list is endless and they are still at it now;the lancs force is totally corrupt; well the Burnley one is . I wouldn't trust them as far as i could throw Straw.When the parliament sets the standard by all being corrupt and greedy why wouldn't the police think they can do what they like.. leyton
  • Score: 3

3:19pm Tue 11 Mar 14

abetterblackburn says...

Jack Straw - A Blackburn Safe Seat Joker who has destroyed Blackburn and took our country into an illegal war.

Just in case anyone may have forgotten!
Jack Straw - A Blackburn Safe Seat Joker who has destroyed Blackburn and took our country into an illegal war. Just in case anyone may have forgotten! abetterblackburn
  • Score: 4

8:54pm Tue 11 Mar 14

M Foster says...

oneinmillion wrote:
woolywords wrote:
M Foster wrote:
OFF TOPIC. I see that comment has not been allowed on another story involving Islam and Muslims, this time in connection with the issue of banning Halal slaughter. Does LT think that disallowing online discussion about the rights and wrongs of such issues, in short, denying free speech, is really the way forward in helping two distinctly different sections of society live together peacefully? I would argue not and that it is a cop-out. Soon it will be no comment allowed on ANYTHING except perhaps football.
To try and judge the feelings of its readers on this contentious issue, without confrontational comment, LT could at least run one of it's online surveys on it (ban or not ban Halal butchery) instead of the often trivial subjects it does cover. Perhaps even the result it would show is not acceptable to some or have I missed it?
I entirely agree with what you say but..
You have to realise that, for far too long, whenever you make a comment about Islam or Muslims, you are immediately branded a racist by Muslims and so, by deluding the few, they have achieved the impossible, of convincing those in authority that Islam and Muslim is a race.
However, I'm here to explain it to you, in terms that even the more feckless amongst us can follow.
Islam tells us that everyone is born a Muslim and if they join another religion, they should revert to Islam and once enjoined, can't leave, on pain of death, from either family members or other Muslims.
Years ago, when wrestling was on the TV, anyone held in an hold that was impossible to get out of, they submitted. Then we have the word, Islam, which means to submit and is equally as impossible to get out of.
Halal is often bandied about by Muslims as being something that should be aspired to. However, this doesn't stop them dealing in slavery, drugs, alcohol or anything else in the long list of forbidden things.
Shisha is tobacco, mixed with honey, so shouldn't be judged as being tobacco, at all, when smoked indoors, in illegally operated premises.
Corner shops dealing in alcohol are Haram but nobody seems to want to say anything against this, do they?
When a Muslim shouts about racism, ask them to explain what the term, Abd, means in the context of their holy books.
Or how equally that they treat all men, including the 'pug-nosed', 'raisin heads' of both Quran and Hadiths.
Or how valid that a womans' word is, when she has been raped, and that she needs to have 4 male witnesses, to prove her case, under Shariah Law.
How is it possible for a Muslim to lie when dealing with an unbeliever, or even his own, using that well worn out thing, al tiqiya.

The thing is, they mix this gibberish up in a language that they learn to chant but barely comprehend themselves, then claim it's Allahs' law, when it only came from a man, who changed the rules as often as the desert winds changed directions.
Which goes some way to explain why they make death threats to anyone drawing a cartoon, as they don't want anyone laughing at them. They live in fear of each other, due to the weird laws that they have created and adhere to.
We each of us, in our own religions, give thanks to our gods for the daily bread, yet.. Bakeries that were set up to give an income and supply a daily need, were closed down by the Taliban, as women are not allowed to make an income. Anyone in Blackburn shouting about that, or boycotting the Taliban bakery here?
Google, Hawaiian Pizza recipe..
All of them contain Ham, a pork product, yet there is no pork in any Hawaiian Pizza in this town, except for some strange thing called, Turkey Ham..??? Are Trading Standards investigating?
Has anyone considered the implications of serving poultry, to a person expecting a porcine product or even with an allergy to it? You don't get away with anything that contains nuts, without giving a fair warning to customers, so where is the difference here?
So here I am, about to be condemned as a racist, bigot and a liar, where not a one of them will counter each point that is made here, instead, resort to the usual comments about my parentage, lack of education or how old and silly that I am..
I will quote chapter and verse of your books, to prove what I say is correct, so be warned!
ITS TIME YOU ACCEPT ISLAM AND BECOME A MUSLIM. SURELY IF YOU ASKED THE FIRST, THE LAST, THE ONE, THE OBVIOUS, THE ETERNAL, THE LATENT, THE ONE WHO PARDONS, THE ALL POWERFUL, THE ONE WHO HAS CONTROL OVER ALL THINGS, THE ONE UNEQUALLED, THE ALL PERFECT, THE EVERLASTING, THE COMPASSIONATE, THE MOST MERCIFUL, THE SOVEREIGN, THE MIGHTY, THE SELF GLORIOUS, THE ALL KNOWING, THE HIGHLY GRATEFUL, THE PROTECTOR, THE ALMIGHTY, THE PATRON, THE PRAISEWORTHY, THE LIGHT, THE ONE WHO EXERCISE RESPONSIBILITY OVER ALL THINGS,
THE ONE WHO CAUSES ADVANCEMENT, THE SUSTAINER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF DEATH, THE ONE WHO HAS THE POWER TO CREATE AGAIN, THE OMNIPRESENT, THE KEEPER OF COUNTS, THE LENIENT, THE MOST LOVING, THE PROTECTOR, THE GIVER OF SUSTENANCE AND STRENGTH, THE CREATOR, THE GIVER OF PEACE, THE ONE WHO GIVES GUIDANCE, THE ONE WHO GUIDES ALONG THE PATH OF VIRTUE OR ONE WHO LOVES VIRTUE AND PIETY, THE SUPPLIER OF NEEDS TO OTHERS. FOR FORGIVENESS HE WILL FORGIVE YOU SO WHAT YOU WAITING FOR? IT WILL BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU COULD ASK YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOURS TO ACCEPT ISLAM ASWELL.
Over my dead body, mate! Hell will freeze over first. Jesus is the Son of God and is my ONLY Saviour. I have no need for anything or anyone else. Btw, there is is a handy button called CAPS LOCK on the LH side of your keyboard which is a wonderful thing. If you press it before typing next time, it means that you can put your point across WITHOUT SHOUTING AT EVERYONE.
It seems I was mistaken. I thought that it was the publication of reasoned, non-confrontational questioning by people like woolywords and myself that a biased LT was trying to control but perhaps it is the illogical, pseudo-threatening rants of people like yourself in response they want to avoid.
[quote][p][bold]oneinmillion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: OFF TOPIC. I see that comment has not been allowed on another story involving Islam and Muslims, this time in connection with the issue of banning Halal slaughter. Does LT think that disallowing online discussion about the rights and wrongs of such issues, in short, denying free speech, is really the way forward in helping two distinctly different sections of society live together peacefully? I would argue not and that it is a cop-out. Soon it will be no comment allowed on ANYTHING except perhaps football. To try and judge the feelings of its readers on this contentious issue, without confrontational comment, LT could at least run one of it's online surveys on it (ban or not ban Halal butchery) instead of the often trivial subjects it does cover. Perhaps even the result it would show is not acceptable to some or have I missed it?[/p][/quote]I entirely agree with what you say but.. You have to realise that, for far too long, whenever you make a comment about Islam or Muslims, you are immediately branded a racist by Muslims and so, by deluding the few, they have achieved the impossible, of convincing those in authority that Islam and Muslim is a race. However, I'm here to explain it to you, in terms that even the more feckless amongst us can follow. Islam tells us that everyone is born a Muslim and if they join another religion, they should revert to Islam and once enjoined, can't leave, on pain of death, from either family members or other Muslims. Years ago, when wrestling was on the TV, anyone held in an hold that was impossible to get out of, they submitted. Then we have the word, Islam, which means to submit and is equally as impossible to get out of. Halal is often bandied about by Muslims as being something that should be aspired to. However, this doesn't stop them dealing in slavery, drugs, alcohol or anything else in the long list of forbidden things. Shisha is tobacco, mixed with honey, so shouldn't be judged as being tobacco, at all, when smoked indoors, in illegally operated premises. Corner shops dealing in alcohol are Haram but nobody seems to want to say anything against this, do they? When a Muslim shouts about racism, ask them to explain what the term, Abd, means in the context of their holy books. Or how equally that they treat all men, including the 'pug-nosed', 'raisin heads' of both Quran and Hadiths. Or how valid that a womans' word is, when she has been raped, and that she needs to have 4 male witnesses, to prove her case, under Shariah Law. How is it possible for a Muslim to lie when dealing with an unbeliever, or even his own, using that well worn out thing, al tiqiya. The thing is, they mix this gibberish up in a language that they learn to chant but barely comprehend themselves, then claim it's Allahs' law, when it only came from a man, who changed the rules as often as the desert winds changed directions. Which goes some way to explain why they make death threats to anyone drawing a cartoon, as they don't want anyone laughing at them. They live in fear of each other, due to the weird laws that they have created and adhere to. We each of us, in our own religions, give thanks to our gods for the daily bread, yet.. Bakeries that were set up to give an income and supply a daily need, were closed down by the Taliban, as women are not allowed to make an income. Anyone in Blackburn shouting about that, or boycotting the Taliban bakery here? Google, Hawaiian Pizza recipe.. All of them contain Ham, a pork product, yet there is no pork in any Hawaiian Pizza in this town, except for some strange thing called, Turkey Ham..??? Are Trading Standards investigating? Has anyone considered the implications of serving poultry, to a person expecting a porcine product or even with an allergy to it? You don't get away with anything that contains nuts, without giving a fair warning to customers, so where is the difference here? So here I am, about to be condemned as a racist, bigot and a liar, where not a one of them will counter each point that is made here, instead, resort to the usual comments about my parentage, lack of education or how old and silly that I am.. I will quote chapter and verse of your books, to prove what I say is correct, so be warned![/p][/quote]ITS TIME YOU ACCEPT ISLAM AND BECOME A MUSLIM. SURELY IF YOU ASKED THE FIRST, THE LAST, THE ONE, THE OBVIOUS, THE ETERNAL, THE LATENT, THE ONE WHO PARDONS, THE ALL POWERFUL, THE ONE WHO HAS CONTROL OVER ALL THINGS, THE ONE UNEQUALLED, THE ALL PERFECT, THE EVERLASTING, THE COMPASSIONATE, THE MOST MERCIFUL, THE SOVEREIGN, THE MIGHTY, THE SELF GLORIOUS, THE ALL KNOWING, THE HIGHLY GRATEFUL, THE PROTECTOR, THE ALMIGHTY, THE PATRON, THE PRAISEWORTHY, THE LIGHT, THE ONE WHO EXERCISE RESPONSIBILITY OVER ALL THINGS, THE ONE WHO CAUSES ADVANCEMENT, THE SUSTAINER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF DEATH, THE ONE WHO HAS THE POWER TO CREATE AGAIN, THE OMNIPRESENT, THE KEEPER OF COUNTS, THE LENIENT, THE MOST LOVING, THE PROTECTOR, THE GIVER OF SUSTENANCE AND STRENGTH, THE CREATOR, THE GIVER OF PEACE, THE ONE WHO GIVES GUIDANCE, THE ONE WHO GUIDES ALONG THE PATH OF VIRTUE OR ONE WHO LOVES VIRTUE AND PIETY, THE SUPPLIER OF NEEDS TO OTHERS. FOR FORGIVENESS HE WILL FORGIVE YOU SO WHAT YOU WAITING FOR? IT WILL BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU COULD ASK YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOURS TO ACCEPT ISLAM ASWELL.[/p][/quote]Over my dead body, mate! Hell will freeze over first. Jesus is the Son of God and is my ONLY Saviour. I have no need for anything or anyone else. Btw, there is is a handy button called CAPS LOCK on the LH side of your keyboard which is a wonderful thing. If you press it before typing next time, it means that you can put your point across WITHOUT SHOUTING AT EVERYONE. It seems I was mistaken. I thought that it was the publication of reasoned, non-confrontational questioning by people like woolywords and myself that a biased LT was trying to control but perhaps it is the illogical, pseudo-threatening rants of people like yourself in response they want to avoid. M Foster
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9:34pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Saj143 says...

M Foster wrote:
oneinmillion wrote:
woolywords wrote:
M Foster wrote:
OFF TOPIC. I see that comment has not been allowed on another story involving Islam and Muslims, this time in connection with the issue of banning Halal slaughter. Does LT think that disallowing online discussion about the rights and wrongs of such issues, in short, denying free speech, is really the way forward in helping two distinctly different sections of society live together peacefully? I would argue not and that it is a cop-out. Soon it will be no comment allowed on ANYTHING except perhaps football.
To try and judge the feelings of its readers on this contentious issue, without confrontational comment, LT could at least run one of it's online surveys on it (ban or not ban Halal butchery) instead of the often trivial subjects it does cover. Perhaps even the result it would show is not acceptable to some or have I missed it?
I entirely agree with what you say but..
You have to realise that, for far too long, whenever you make a comment about Islam or Muslims, you are immediately branded a racist by Muslims and so, by deluding the few, they have achieved the impossible, of convincing those in authority that Islam and Muslim is a race.
However, I'm here to explain it to you, in terms that even the more feckless amongst us can follow.
Islam tells us that everyone is born a Muslim and if they join another religion, they should revert to Islam and once enjoined, can't leave, on pain of death, from either family members or other Muslims.
Years ago, when wrestling was on the TV, anyone held in an hold that was impossible to get out of, they submitted. Then we have the word, Islam, which means to submit and is equally as impossible to get out of.
Halal is often bandied about by Muslims as being something that should be aspired to. However, this doesn't stop them dealing in slavery, drugs, alcohol or anything else in the long list of forbidden things.
Shisha is tobacco, mixed with honey, so shouldn't be judged as being tobacco, at all, when smoked indoors, in illegally operated premises.
Corner shops dealing in alcohol are Haram but nobody seems to want to say anything against this, do they?
When a Muslim shouts about racism, ask them to explain what the term, Abd, means in the context of their holy books.
Or how equally that they treat all men, including the 'pug-nosed', 'raisin heads' of both Quran and Hadiths.
Or how valid that a womans' word is, when she has been raped, and that she needs to have 4 male witnesses, to prove her case, under Shariah Law.
How is it possible for a Muslim to lie when dealing with an unbeliever, or even his own, using that well worn out thing, al tiqiya.

The thing is, they mix this gibberish up in a language that they learn to chant but barely comprehend themselves, then claim it's Allahs' law, when it only came from a man, who changed the rules as often as the desert winds changed directions.
Which goes some way to explain why they make death threats to anyone drawing a cartoon, as they don't want anyone laughing at them. They live in fear of each other, due to the weird laws that they have created and adhere to.
We each of us, in our own religions, give thanks to our gods for the daily bread, yet.. Bakeries that were set up to give an income and supply a daily need, were closed down by the Taliban, as women are not allowed to make an income. Anyone in Blackburn shouting about that, or boycotting the Taliban bakery here?
Google, Hawaiian Pizza recipe..
All of them contain Ham, a pork product, yet there is no pork in any Hawaiian Pizza in this town, except for some strange thing called, Turkey Ham..??? Are Trading Standards investigating?
Has anyone considered the implications of serving poultry, to a person expecting a porcine product or even with an allergy to it? You don't get away with anything that contains nuts, without giving a fair warning to customers, so where is the difference here?
So here I am, about to be condemned as a racist, bigot and a liar, where not a one of them will counter each point that is made here, instead, resort to the usual comments about my parentage, lack of education or how old and silly that I am..
I will quote chapter and verse of your books, to prove what I say is correct, so be warned!
ITS TIME YOU ACCEPT ISLAM AND BECOME A MUSLIM. SURELY IF YOU ASKED THE FIRST, THE LAST, THE ONE, THE OBVIOUS, THE ETERNAL, THE LATENT, THE ONE WHO PARDONS, THE ALL POWERFUL, THE ONE WHO HAS CONTROL OVER ALL THINGS, THE ONE UNEQUALLED, THE ALL PERFECT, THE EVERLASTING, THE COMPASSIONATE, THE MOST MERCIFUL, THE SOVEREIGN, THE MIGHTY, THE SELF GLORIOUS, THE ALL KNOWING, THE HIGHLY GRATEFUL, THE PROTECTOR, THE ALMIGHTY, THE PATRON, THE PRAISEWORTHY, THE LIGHT, THE ONE WHO EXERCISE RESPONSIBILITY OVER ALL THINGS,
THE ONE WHO CAUSES ADVANCEMENT, THE SUSTAINER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF DEATH, THE ONE WHO HAS THE POWER TO CREATE AGAIN, THE OMNIPRESENT, THE KEEPER OF COUNTS, THE LENIENT, THE MOST LOVING, THE PROTECTOR, THE GIVER OF SUSTENANCE AND STRENGTH, THE CREATOR, THE GIVER OF PEACE, THE ONE WHO GIVES GUIDANCE, THE ONE WHO GUIDES ALONG THE PATH OF VIRTUE OR ONE WHO LOVES VIRTUE AND PIETY, THE SUPPLIER OF NEEDS TO OTHERS. FOR FORGIVENESS HE WILL FORGIVE YOU SO WHAT YOU WAITING FOR? IT WILL BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU COULD ASK YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOURS TO ACCEPT ISLAM ASWELL.
Over my dead body, mate! Hell will freeze over first. Jesus is the Son of God and is my ONLY Saviour. I have no need for anything or anyone else. Btw, there is is a handy button called CAPS LOCK on the LH side of your keyboard which is a wonderful thing. If you press it before typing next time, it means that you can put your point across WITHOUT SHOUTING AT EVERYONE.
It seems I was mistaken. I thought that it was the publication of reasoned, non-confrontational questioning by people like woolywords and myself that a biased LT was trying to control but perhaps it is the illogical, pseudo-threatening rants of people like yourself in response they want to avoid.
Asians as well have Jews have been slaughtering animals within there prescribed religious rules since they came over , why the issue all of a sudden. If you do not like it then chose somewhere which stocks non halal. By the way halal just doesn't apply to meat , it applies to various other food stuffs etc. but I suppose the websites and the forums you glean your information do not refer to that.

As for you wooly words, time and time again your right wing , racist material finds itself on these pages , and the snake infested comments pages find like minded idiots that shall we say sup this tosh you put on here.

Do you actually realise the difference between Islam as practiced in this country by the majority of the law abiding Muslims originates from the Indian sub continent which is a completely different ball game to the one that you seem , in my opinion. , rightly so chastising. The Taliban esq and Saudi Wahabbiasm is what you refer to is a complete mockery of what Islam is.

Am I to regard all Christians as kiddie fiddlers because of the actions of a minority -No.

Am I to regard all white Germans as racist fascists because of Hitler - No.

Unfortunately the muppets that frequent these pages also hide behind the racist and freedom of speech card as much as the people they look to offend.

All that crap you have posted - Is as much a representation of Islam as the Edl are as advocates for race relations.

To55er
[quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oneinmillion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M Foster[/bold] wrote: OFF TOPIC. I see that comment has not been allowed on another story involving Islam and Muslims, this time in connection with the issue of banning Halal slaughter. Does LT think that disallowing online discussion about the rights and wrongs of such issues, in short, denying free speech, is really the way forward in helping two distinctly different sections of society live together peacefully? I would argue not and that it is a cop-out. Soon it will be no comment allowed on ANYTHING except perhaps football. To try and judge the feelings of its readers on this contentious issue, without confrontational comment, LT could at least run one of it's online surveys on it (ban or not ban Halal butchery) instead of the often trivial subjects it does cover. Perhaps even the result it would show is not acceptable to some or have I missed it?[/p][/quote]I entirely agree with what you say but.. You have to realise that, for far too long, whenever you make a comment about Islam or Muslims, you are immediately branded a racist by Muslims and so, by deluding the few, they have achieved the impossible, of convincing those in authority that Islam and Muslim is a race. However, I'm here to explain it to you, in terms that even the more feckless amongst us can follow. Islam tells us that everyone is born a Muslim and if they join another religion, they should revert to Islam and once enjoined, can't leave, on pain of death, from either family members or other Muslims. Years ago, when wrestling was on the TV, anyone held in an hold that was impossible to get out of, they submitted. Then we have the word, Islam, which means to submit and is equally as impossible to get out of. Halal is often bandied about by Muslims as being something that should be aspired to. However, this doesn't stop them dealing in slavery, drugs, alcohol or anything else in the long list of forbidden things. Shisha is tobacco, mixed with honey, so shouldn't be judged as being tobacco, at all, when smoked indoors, in illegally operated premises. Corner shops dealing in alcohol are Haram but nobody seems to want to say anything against this, do they? When a Muslim shouts about racism, ask them to explain what the term, Abd, means in the context of their holy books. Or how equally that they treat all men, including the 'pug-nosed', 'raisin heads' of both Quran and Hadiths. Or how valid that a womans' word is, when she has been raped, and that she needs to have 4 male witnesses, to prove her case, under Shariah Law. How is it possible for a Muslim to lie when dealing with an unbeliever, or even his own, using that well worn out thing, al tiqiya. The thing is, they mix this gibberish up in a language that they learn to chant but barely comprehend themselves, then claim it's Allahs' law, when it only came from a man, who changed the rules as often as the desert winds changed directions. Which goes some way to explain why they make death threats to anyone drawing a cartoon, as they don't want anyone laughing at them. They live in fear of each other, due to the weird laws that they have created and adhere to. We each of us, in our own religions, give thanks to our gods for the daily bread, yet.. Bakeries that were set up to give an income and supply a daily need, were closed down by the Taliban, as women are not allowed to make an income. Anyone in Blackburn shouting about that, or boycotting the Taliban bakery here? Google, Hawaiian Pizza recipe.. All of them contain Ham, a pork product, yet there is no pork in any Hawaiian Pizza in this town, except for some strange thing called, Turkey Ham..??? Are Trading Standards investigating? Has anyone considered the implications of serving poultry, to a person expecting a porcine product or even with an allergy to it? You don't get away with anything that contains nuts, without giving a fair warning to customers, so where is the difference here? So here I am, about to be condemned as a racist, bigot and a liar, where not a one of them will counter each point that is made here, instead, resort to the usual comments about my parentage, lack of education or how old and silly that I am.. I will quote chapter and verse of your books, to prove what I say is correct, so be warned![/p][/quote]ITS TIME YOU ACCEPT ISLAM AND BECOME A MUSLIM. SURELY IF YOU ASKED THE FIRST, THE LAST, THE ONE, THE OBVIOUS, THE ETERNAL, THE LATENT, THE ONE WHO PARDONS, THE ALL POWERFUL, THE ONE WHO HAS CONTROL OVER ALL THINGS, THE ONE UNEQUALLED, THE ALL PERFECT, THE EVERLASTING, THE COMPASSIONATE, THE MOST MERCIFUL, THE SOVEREIGN, THE MIGHTY, THE SELF GLORIOUS, THE ALL KNOWING, THE HIGHLY GRATEFUL, THE PROTECTOR, THE ALMIGHTY, THE PATRON, THE PRAISEWORTHY, THE LIGHT, THE ONE WHO EXERCISE RESPONSIBILITY OVER ALL THINGS, THE ONE WHO CAUSES ADVANCEMENT, THE SUSTAINER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE GIVER OF DEATH, THE ONE WHO HAS THE POWER TO CREATE AGAIN, THE OMNIPRESENT, THE KEEPER OF COUNTS, THE LENIENT, THE MOST LOVING, THE PROTECTOR, THE GIVER OF SUSTENANCE AND STRENGTH, THE CREATOR, THE GIVER OF PEACE, THE ONE WHO GIVES GUIDANCE, THE ONE WHO GUIDES ALONG THE PATH OF VIRTUE OR ONE WHO LOVES VIRTUE AND PIETY, THE SUPPLIER OF NEEDS TO OTHERS. FOR FORGIVENESS HE WILL FORGIVE YOU SO WHAT YOU WAITING FOR? IT WILL BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU COULD ASK YOUR FAMILY, FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOURS TO ACCEPT ISLAM ASWELL.[/p][/quote]Over my dead body, mate! Hell will freeze over first. Jesus is the Son of God and is my ONLY Saviour. I have no need for anything or anyone else. Btw, there is is a handy button called CAPS LOCK on the LH side of your keyboard which is a wonderful thing. If you press it before typing next time, it means that you can put your point across WITHOUT SHOUTING AT EVERYONE. It seems I was mistaken. I thought that it was the publication of reasoned, non-confrontational questioning by people like woolywords and myself that a biased LT was trying to control but perhaps it is the illogical, pseudo-threatening rants of people like yourself in response they want to avoid.[/p][/quote]Asians as well have Jews have been slaughtering animals within there prescribed religious rules since they came over , why the issue all of a sudden. If you do not like it then chose somewhere which stocks non halal. By the way halal just doesn't apply to meat , it applies to various other food stuffs etc. but I suppose the websites and the forums you glean your information do not refer to that. As for you wooly words, time and time again your right wing , racist material finds itself on these pages , and the snake infested comments pages find like minded idiots that shall we say sup this tosh you put on here. Do you actually realise the difference between Islam as practiced in this country by the majority of the law abiding Muslims originates from the Indian sub continent which is a completely different ball game to the one that you seem , in my opinion. , rightly so chastising. The Taliban esq and Saudi Wahabbiasm is what you refer to is a complete mockery of what Islam is. Am I to regard all Christians as kiddie fiddlers because of the actions of a minority -No. Am I to regard all white Germans as racist fascists because of Hitler - No. Unfortunately the muppets that frequent these pages also hide behind the racist and freedom of speech card as much as the people they look to offend. All that crap you have posted - Is as much a representation of Islam as the Edl are as advocates for race relations. To55er Saj143
  • Score: 1

9:36pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Saj143 says...

Ps ... Open your own non halal takeaways....see how long they last.
Ps ... Open your own non halal takeaways....see how long they last. Saj143
  • Score: 2

3:59pm Sat 15 Mar 14

richardcard says...

http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/62186

Mind boggling comment from Jack Straw. Answer to the new Judge led inquiry man. There are 46 sudden deaths associated with the call for inquiry and report from Kent Police Authority. 12 terrorist uk, 28 terrorist Belgium, 2 murders UK, two suicides UK, one misadventure verdict at Guys hospital that was almost certainly due to sabotaged safety equipment.

In spite of calls for inquiry from an HM Coroner, Chief constable RUC, Kent Police Authority and a terms of reference report of concern from Gen De Chasterlain Straw suppressed inquiry.

Central to all those calls for inquiry was Unlawful Drilling Act 1819. When Straw eventually became "Justice" Minister he repealed that act knowing surely that there were cases to answer which he as Home Secretary had protected from inquiry.

Yes please let's have a full judge led inquiry with Straw and the Lawrence team all answering on oath.
http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/62186 Mind boggling comment from Jack Straw. Answer to the new Judge led inquiry man. There are 46 sudden deaths associated with the call for inquiry and report from Kent Police Authority. 12 terrorist uk, 28 terrorist Belgium, 2 murders UK, two suicides UK, one misadventure verdict at Guys hospital that was almost certainly due to sabotaged safety equipment. In spite of calls for inquiry from an HM Coroner, Chief constable RUC, Kent Police Authority and a terms of reference report of concern from Gen De Chasterlain Straw suppressed inquiry. Central to all those calls for inquiry was Unlawful Drilling Act 1819. When Straw eventually became "Justice" Minister he repealed that act knowing surely that there were cases to answer which he as Home Secretary had protected from inquiry. Yes please let's have a full judge led inquiry with Straw and the Lawrence team all answering on oath. richardcard
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4:06pm Sat 15 Mar 14

richardcard says...

Judge Led Inquiry to investigate Stephen Lawrence Kent Police Inquiry

Responsible department: Home Office

Theresa May must ensure that in the Judge led inquiry into Stephen Lawrence case takes full account

(1) A Kent Police Authority call for inquiry and report of August 1997 whilst Kent Police were conducting Lawrence Inquiry.

(2) That if Kent Police had complied and made inquiry they would have investigated Charlie Kray, Clifford Norris and Regional Crime Squad in which served Det Sgt John Davidson.

(3) That Ros Howells, Imran Khan and, hence, Doreen Lawrence and Michael Mansfield knew this compromise upon Kent Police but failed to tell Macpherson Inquiry

(4) That Jack Straw waited until after MacPherson Report was published before refusing to compel the inquiry.




That is the wording of the epetition mentioned above. One line of inquiry suppressed by Straw concerned the live fire training of unidentified Middle Easterners at a Kent gun range. A landowner manager to go over Kent Police heads to get that range closed by MOD survey. But a couple of years later what happened at yetgoch (google Yetgoch Al Quedda suspects training with Uzis. What an amazing decision by Jack Straw to suppress inquiry into exactly similar prior activity in Kent. To overrule a Police Authority call for inquiry. And before Michael Mansfield gets on his high horse again about surveillance how much did his charity British Irish Rights Watch know about this and omit from their Rosemary Nelson Tribunal submission ?)
Judge Led Inquiry to investigate Stephen Lawrence Kent Police Inquiry Responsible department: Home Office Theresa May must ensure that in the Judge led inquiry into Stephen Lawrence case takes full account (1) A Kent Police Authority call for inquiry and report of August 1997 whilst Kent Police were conducting Lawrence Inquiry. (2) That if Kent Police had complied and made inquiry they would have investigated Charlie Kray, Clifford Norris and Regional Crime Squad in which served Det Sgt John Davidson. (3) That Ros Howells, Imran Khan and, hence, Doreen Lawrence and Michael Mansfield knew this compromise upon Kent Police but failed to tell Macpherson Inquiry (4) That Jack Straw waited until after MacPherson Report was published before refusing to compel the inquiry. That is the wording of the epetition mentioned above. One line of inquiry suppressed by Straw concerned the live fire training of unidentified Middle Easterners at a Kent gun range. A landowner manager to go over Kent Police heads to get that range closed by MOD survey. But a couple of years later what happened at yetgoch (google Yetgoch Al Quedda suspects training with Uzis. What an amazing decision by Jack Straw to suppress inquiry into exactly similar prior activity in Kent. To overrule a Police Authority call for inquiry. And before Michael Mansfield gets on his high horse again about surveillance how much did his charity British Irish Rights Watch know about this and omit from their Rosemary Nelson Tribunal submission ?) richardcard
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