Fury as council set to plunge more of M65 into darkness

Blackburn Citizen: Fury as council set to plunge more of M65 into darkness Fury as council set to plunge more of M65 into darkness

A DECISION which is set to remove dozens of lighting columns along the M65 has been branded ‘absurd’ and ‘outrageous’ by MPs.

Backed by community leaders the Lancashire Telegraph launched a campaign to get all the lights on the motorway switched back on after years of darkness.

But Lancashire County Council has confirmed it is set to axe the lights on the six-mile stretch from junctions 10 to 14 which had remained lit.

The news comes days after Blackburn coroner Michael Singleton told an inquest he was going to write to Highways Agency bosses with grave concerns over the switch-off policy.

Mr Singleton was speaking after hearing about the aftermath of a fatal crash last November involving Mark Burgess near junction eight, which saw following motorists colliding with debris left on the road.

Burnley MP Gordon Birtwistle branded the plan ‘outrageous’ and Pendle’s Andrew Stephenson said the move was ‘absurd’.

The motorway lights are switched off after midnight until 5am but the new move would leave the M65 without illumination permanently.

County Council officials said the lighting columns would be removed to allow a concrete barrier to be installed which would help reduce accidents involving vehicles striking the central reservation.

They confirmed there were no proposals to replace the outgoing lights.

Mr Birtwistle said: “I have argued all along that the lights should be switched back and I’ve been inundated with complaints about this.

 

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“This decision is absolutely outrageous and if the county council was interested in road safety this would never happen.”

The MP has insisted that any cost saving would be minimal and the authority had received no instruction from government to make the switch-off.

Mr Stephenson said he had highlighted the coroner’s concerns with Transport Minister Robert Goodwill and would now be raising the latest development with his office.

He added: “I think it is absurd to turn them off, especially when the coroner highlighted the tragic death of Mr Burgess.

“It is an outrageous suggestion and one which I will be opposing.”

County councillor Christian Wakeford, who represents Pendle West, said: “Without these lights we are going to have more accidents and potentially more deaths. While savings are needed, when it comes to saving lives, that has to take precedent.”

County councillor John Fillis, highways cabinet member, said: “The barrier along the central reservation of the stretch of the M65 maintained by the county council is in need of replacement.

“We're proposing to install a concrete barrier to further improve safety, particularly by reducing the risk of serious collisions caused by vehicles crossing onto the wrong side of the carriageway in the event of an accident.

“To replace the existing steel barrier with the improved concrete barrier we would need to remove the street lighting along this section

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9:39am Fri 21 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

Outrageous! Why can't the council incorporate lighting into the new barriers? It is compatible and if they are so intent on road safety then that's the way to go. Have cocouncillors forgotten that they are there to represent the needs of their residents?
Outrageous! Why can't the council incorporate lighting into the new barriers? It is compatible and if they are so intent on road safety then that's the way to go. Have cocouncillors forgotten that they are there to represent the needs of their residents? HarryBosch
  • Score: 15

9:44am Fri 21 Feb 14

burner says...

Members of the LCC are NOT qualified, as experts , to make such a drastic decision. I fear members will place the priority of their vote to simply follow their fellow party colleagues.
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This needs a PROFESSIONAL, independent review / study.
Members of the LCC are NOT qualified, as experts , to make such a drastic decision. I fear members will place the priority of their vote to simply follow their fellow party colleagues. . This needs a PROFESSIONAL, independent review / study. burner
  • Score: 19

9:45am Fri 21 Feb 14

hasslem hasslem says...

Nuts!.... Completely Barmy!..... Lunatics have taken over the Asylum!
Nuts!.... Completely Barmy!..... Lunatics have taken over the Asylum! hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 15

9:45am Fri 21 Feb 14

A Darener says...

You either light the whole of the motorway network or not at all. Except at junctions, which need lighting because of exiting and entering traffic. If it is good enough at one point to be unlit then it is good enough all over.
You either light the whole of the motorway network or not at all. Except at junctions, which need lighting because of exiting and entering traffic. If it is good enough at one point to be unlit then it is good enough all over. A Darener
  • Score: 5

10:12am Fri 21 Feb 14

mavrick says...

There is no reason to not place lights along the motorway, they can site lighting columns anywhere. even on top of the concrete barrier. I think the carrot of money saving is the real reason. As for Gordon birtwistle making comments he should remember he voted with the Tories to reduce the budget. This country was never that broke.
There is no reason to not place lights along the motorway, they can site lighting columns anywhere. even on top of the concrete barrier. I think the carrot of money saving is the real reason. As for Gordon birtwistle making comments he should remember he voted with the Tories to reduce the budget. This country was never that broke. mavrick
  • Score: 16

10:26am Fri 21 Feb 14

Excluded again says...

Birtwistle and Stephenson happily vote for huge cuts to Council budgets in the north of England (but protect those in the South). Then they complain the Council are cutting things.

They either have no idea what they are voting for in Parliamentt or they are rank hypocrites.

If this issue is so important,. then why not take the matter up with David 'Money Is No Object' Cameron? Or is that because 'money is no object' only when the problem is near the Thames?
Birtwistle and Stephenson happily vote for huge cuts to Council budgets in the north of England (but protect those in the South). Then they complain the Council are cutting things. They either have no idea what they are voting for in Parliamentt or they are rank hypocrites. If this issue is so important,. then why not take the matter up with David 'Money Is No Object' Cameron? Or is that because 'money is no object' only when the problem is near the Thames? Excluded again
  • Score: 17

10:53am Fri 21 Feb 14

dean555 says...

I have been travelling from Carnforth to Glasgow every night for the last twelve month! So that includes winter! There are no lights apart from Carlisle on the motorway! I don't see what the big deal is. The lighting isn't the problem, it's people driving that's the issue. I see many a driver cut across all 3 lanes at the last minute to get to their junction, or people tailgating! The other biggest factor is concentration! Lost count the amount of people I see with phones to their ears, smoking, eating and I've even seen some people watching their iPads!, and don't see a que of traffic or obstacle infront of them and then has to slam on, which means the car behind slams on and so on. This has nothing to do with the motorway being unlit.

Until people adjust their driving according to the weather/time of day, then accidents will still occur!
I have been travelling from Carnforth to Glasgow every night for the last twelve month! So that includes winter! There are no lights apart from Carlisle on the motorway! I don't see what the big deal is. The lighting isn't the problem, it's people driving that's the issue. I see many a driver cut across all 3 lanes at the last minute to get to their junction, or people tailgating! The other biggest factor is concentration! Lost count the amount of people I see with phones to their ears, smoking, eating and I've even seen some people watching their iPads!, and don't see a que of traffic or obstacle infront of them and then has to slam on, which means the car behind slams on and so on. This has nothing to do with the motorway being unlit. Until people adjust their driving according to the weather/time of day, then accidents will still occur! dean555
  • Score: 22

11:11am Fri 21 Feb 14

rudis_dad says...

dean555 wrote:
I have been travelling from Carnforth to Glasgow every night for the last twelve month! So that includes winter! There are no lights apart from Carlisle on the motorway! I don't see what the big deal is. The lighting isn't the problem, it's people driving that's the issue. I see many a driver cut across all 3 lanes at the last minute to get to their junction, or people tailgating! The other biggest factor is concentration! Lost count the amount of people I see with phones to their ears, smoking, eating and I've even seen some people watching their iPads!, and don't see a que of traffic or obstacle infront of them and then has to slam on, which means the car behind slams on and so on. This has nothing to do with the motorway being unlit.

Until people adjust their driving according to the weather/time of day, then accidents will still occur!
I tend to agree but the M6 North of Lancaster isn't exactly the busiest stretch of motorway in the country at the best of times, is it? It's rare that you hear of accidents on this stretch, whereas the M65 is, quite simply, no longer fit for purpose given it's width and the amount of traffic that it has to carry. You can guarantee at least one accident a day at any point along its length.

If the M65 is to be continued to be used, then it needs proper lighting. I would say that rather than install a concrete barrier the money would be better spent on LED lighting which is long-lasting (far more so than the incandescent or gas-plasma lamps currently in use), incredibly efficient and much cheaper to run - one only needs to look at how Blackpool council have replaced most of the lamps in the illuminations with LED units, which, whilst the initial outlay was not insignificant, brought major savings in running costs almost immediately.
[quote][p][bold]dean555[/bold] wrote: I have been travelling from Carnforth to Glasgow every night for the last twelve month! So that includes winter! There are no lights apart from Carlisle on the motorway! I don't see what the big deal is. The lighting isn't the problem, it's people driving that's the issue. I see many a driver cut across all 3 lanes at the last minute to get to their junction, or people tailgating! The other biggest factor is concentration! Lost count the amount of people I see with phones to their ears, smoking, eating and I've even seen some people watching their iPads!, and don't see a que of traffic or obstacle infront of them and then has to slam on, which means the car behind slams on and so on. This has nothing to do with the motorway being unlit. Until people adjust their driving according to the weather/time of day, then accidents will still occur![/p][/quote]I tend to agree but the M6 North of Lancaster isn't exactly the busiest stretch of motorway in the country at the best of times, is it? It's rare that you hear of accidents on this stretch, whereas the M65 is, quite simply, no longer fit for purpose given it's width and the amount of traffic that it has to carry. You can guarantee at least one accident a day at any point along its length. If the M65 is to be continued to be used, then it needs proper lighting. I would say that rather than install a concrete barrier the money would be better spent on LED lighting which is long-lasting (far more so than the incandescent or gas-plasma lamps currently in use), incredibly efficient and much cheaper to run - one only needs to look at how Blackpool council have replaced most of the lamps in the illuminations with LED units, which, whilst the initial outlay was not insignificant, brought major savings in running costs almost immediately. rudis_dad
  • Score: 6

12:13pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Mike Blomeley says...

Labour is so two-faced. When the previous administration at County Hall switched the lights off between midnight & 5.00 am, Labour Councillors complained bitterly about the risks being created. Bet there's now a deafening silence from County Councillors Iqbal & Ali about the lights being removed permanently. By the way, where's the evidence to support the need to replace the existing crash barriers? I can't recall a vehicle crossing onto the opposite carriageway on this stretch. LCC seems he'll bent on spending unnecessary money, that in the next breath they say they haven't got. Still, that's Labour for you.
Labour is so two-faced. When the previous administration at County Hall switched the lights off between midnight & 5.00 am, Labour Councillors complained bitterly about the risks being created. Bet there's now a deafening silence from County Councillors Iqbal & Ali about the lights being removed permanently. By the way, where's the evidence to support the need to replace the existing crash barriers? I can't recall a vehicle crossing onto the opposite carriageway on this stretch. LCC seems he'll bent on spending unnecessary money, that in the next breath they say they haven't got. Still, that's Labour for you. Mike Blomeley
  • Score: 6

12:31pm Fri 21 Feb 14

shabba says...

it wouldn't be so bad if the cats eyes worked between junction 9 and 7 you can hardly see the lane makings at night as the cats eyes are such poor quality
it wouldn't be so bad if the cats eyes worked between junction 9 and 7 you can hardly see the lane makings at night as the cats eyes are such poor quality shabba
  • Score: 10

12:43pm Fri 21 Feb 14

mmickk says...

The answer is to travel at the speed you are capable to drive at. Travel at 50 in the dark much safer and greener. And if you go with the flow of traffic instead of overtaking combined headlights floodlight the motorway the same as street lights. The answer is to set off a bit earlier and stick to the left hand lane and go at your speed or use the A/B roads at night.
The answer is to travel at the speed you are capable to drive at. Travel at 50 in the dark much safer and greener. And if you go with the flow of traffic instead of overtaking combined headlights floodlight the motorway the same as street lights. The answer is to set off a bit earlier and stick to the left hand lane and go at your speed or use the A/B roads at night. mmickk
  • Score: -2

12:46pm Fri 21 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

To dean555 & rudis_dad I would say, I fully agree with your comments around driving standards and attitudes to driving, however, this is a totally separate issue surrounding the problems that resulted from debris in the aftermath of an an accident at night.
Find the original story and catch up.
To dean555 & rudis_dad I would say, I fully agree with your comments around driving standards and attitudes to driving, however, this is a totally separate issue surrounding the problems that resulted from debris in the aftermath of an an accident at night. Find the original story and catch up. HarryBosch
  • Score: 3

12:52pm Fri 21 Feb 14

HarryBosch says...

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This is the link to the original story
http://www.lancashir etelegraph.co.uk/new s/10830949.UPDATE__B urnley_man_dies_in_M 65_crash/?ref=rc This is the link to the original story HarryBosch
  • Score: 2

1:28pm Fri 21 Feb 14

burner says...

. . " By the way, where's the evidence to support the need to replace the existing crash barriers? I can't recall a vehicle crossing onto the opposite carriageway on this stretch ".
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Mike, I am VERY interested in this statement. If you are right, and one must hope you are, then the call for more efficient central barriers is not evidenced . . . . are you with me ? . . . no replacements . . . no removal of lighting poles . . . . . leave the lighting be. It ain't broke.
. . " By the way, where's the evidence to support the need to replace the existing crash barriers? I can't recall a vehicle crossing onto the opposite carriageway on this stretch ". . Mike, I am VERY interested in this statement. If you are right, and one must hope you are, then the call for more efficient central barriers is not evidenced . . . . are you with me ? . . . no replacements . . . no removal of lighting poles . . . . . leave the lighting be. It ain't broke. burner
  • Score: 5

1:32pm Fri 21 Feb 14

A Darener says...

I believe it is broke.....I am sure there was a previous article that stated the lights could not just be switched back on. There was a cabling issue.
I believe it is broke.....I am sure there was a previous article that stated the lights could not just be switched back on. There was a cabling issue. A Darener
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Fri 21 Feb 14

DaveBurnley says...

A Darener wrote:
I believe it is broke.....I am sure there was a previous article that stated the lights could not just be switched back on. There was a cabling issue.
They've probably sold the cable to help pay for the overseas aid budget.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: I believe it is broke.....I am sure there was a previous article that stated the lights could not just be switched back on. There was a cabling issue.[/p][/quote]They've probably sold the cable to help pay for the overseas aid budget. DaveBurnley
  • Score: 1

2:42pm Fri 21 Feb 14

burner says...

Darener . . . if you are correct then the whole bloody article is a mess of reporting . . . they seem to have missed out the most important fact. Are the lights currently in use in the evenings or do they not work at all ? Anyone got the answer ?
Darener . . . if you are correct then the whole bloody article is a mess of reporting . . . they seem to have missed out the most important fact. Are the lights currently in use in the evenings or do they not work at all ? Anyone got the answer ? burner
  • Score: 1

2:46pm Fri 21 Feb 14

A Darener says...

LT 6th Jan.......A MOTORWAY boss has said it would be ‘impossible’ to switch the M65 lights back on without a completely new system costing £2m.
LT 6th Jan.......A MOTORWAY boss has said it would be ‘impossible’ to switch the M65 lights back on without a completely new system costing £2m. A Darener
  • Score: 1

2:54pm Fri 21 Feb 14

hasslem hasslem says...

burner wrote:
Darener . . . if you are correct then the whole bloody article is a mess of reporting . . . they seem to have missed out the most important fact. Are the lights currently in use in the evenings or do they not work at all ? Anyone got the answer ?
the lights to junction 10 have been switched off permanently - and the fuse boxes (i am no sparky) removed - so they cannot be switched back on - These lights were managed by the Highways Agency.

The lights from junction 10 are managed by the Local Authority and up until now have been on in the evenings/nights.

I know, I drive from 4 - Colne every night. When you get to Junction 10 - the visibilty on the 65 is infinitely better.
[quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: Darener . . . if you are correct then the whole bloody article is a mess of reporting . . . they seem to have missed out the most important fact. Are the lights currently in use in the evenings or do they not work at all ? Anyone got the answer ?[/p][/quote]the lights to junction 10 have been switched off permanently - and the fuse boxes (i am no sparky) removed - so they cannot be switched back on - These lights were managed by the Highways Agency. The lights from junction 10 are managed by the Local Authority and up until now have been on in the evenings/nights. I know, I drive from 4 - Colne every night. When you get to Junction 10 - the visibilty on the 65 is infinitely better. hasslem hasslem
  • Score: -1

3:24pm Fri 21 Feb 14

GrindletonBob says...

The four lane section of the M1 in Hertfordshire had a concrete crash barrier installed when it was being converted from three lanes. There are street lighting columns bolted into the concrete barrier all along the motorway. So no excuse why the same couldn't be done on the M65.

The Highways Agency and other authorities just don't seem interested in maintaining motorway lighting. A drive after dark going north on the M6 between Cheshire and the Preston junction will confirm this with lots of failed lamps in the sections that are still supposedly powered.

I guess they can't simply turn the lights back on even during emergencies as they probably didn't switch off some of the sections in the first place - just left all of the lamps to fail with zero maintenance taking place.

The sign for the M65 Blackburn and Burnley exit off the M6 Junction 29 roundabout has been missing for over ten years after it was demolished in an accident. This just about sums up the standard of motorway maintenance in the region.
The four lane section of the M1 in Hertfordshire had a concrete crash barrier installed when it was being converted from three lanes. There are street lighting columns bolted into the concrete barrier all along the motorway. So no excuse why the same couldn't be done on the M65. The Highways Agency and other authorities just don't seem interested in maintaining motorway lighting. A drive after dark going north on the M6 between Cheshire and the Preston junction will confirm this with lots of failed lamps in the sections that are still supposedly powered. I guess they can't simply turn the lights back on even during emergencies as they probably didn't switch off some of the sections in the first place - just left all of the lamps to fail with zero maintenance taking place. The sign for the M65 Blackburn and Burnley exit off the M6 Junction 29 roundabout has been missing for over ten years after it was demolished in an accident. This just about sums up the standard of motorway maintenance in the region. GrindletonBob
  • Score: 0

3:26pm Fri 21 Feb 14

rudis_dad says...

HarryBosch wrote:
To dean555 & rudis_dad I would say, I fully agree with your comments around driving standards and attitudes to driving, however, this is a totally separate issue surrounding the problems that resulted from debris in the aftermath of an an accident at night.
Find the original story and catch up.
I am well aware of the original story, but I still maintain that a lot of it has to do with driving standards. The standard of driving on the M65 at any rush-hour period is truly appalling - I use it every working day between J14 and J11, and it's absolutely hair-raising; add into this the fact that many cars (and for some reason most of them seem to be French, don't know if there's a connection (no pun intended)) have defective headlights and you've got a recipe for disaster. I'm not suggesting that the original incident could have been avoided, but I am saying that if people drove according to their actual, rather than perceived abilities AND kept their vehicle properly maintained, there's a good chance that it might have been less serious. I'm fairly sure that in last weeks high winds I managed to avoid a wheelie-bin, a large branch and an open gate on an unlit rural road because I was driving appropriately in a vehicle with fully-functioning headlights, NOT through sheer luck.
[quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: To dean555 & rudis_dad I would say, I fully agree with your comments around driving standards and attitudes to driving, however, this is a totally separate issue surrounding the problems that resulted from debris in the aftermath of an an accident at night. Find the original story and catch up.[/p][/quote]I am well aware of the original story, but I still maintain that a lot of it has to do with driving standards. The standard of driving on the M65 at any rush-hour period is truly appalling - I use it every working day between J14 and J11, and it's absolutely hair-raising; add into this the fact that many cars (and for some reason most of them seem to be French, don't know if there's a connection (no pun intended)) have defective headlights and you've got a recipe for disaster. I'm not suggesting that the original incident could have been avoided, but I am saying that if people drove according to their actual, rather than perceived abilities AND kept their vehicle properly maintained, there's a good chance that it might have been less serious. I'm fairly sure that in last weeks high winds I managed to avoid a wheelie-bin, a large branch and an open gate on an unlit rural road because I was driving appropriately in a vehicle with fully-functioning headlights, NOT through sheer luck. rudis_dad
  • Score: 1

4:10pm Fri 21 Feb 14

burner says...

hasslem hasslem wrote:
burner wrote:
Darener . . . if you are correct then the whole bloody article is a mess of reporting . . . they seem to have missed out the most important fact. Are the lights currently in use in the evenings or do they not work at all ? Anyone got the answer ?
the lights to junction 10 have been switched off permanently - and the fuse boxes (i am no sparky) removed - so they cannot be switched back on - These lights were managed by the Highways Agency.

The lights from junction 10 are managed by the Local Authority and up until now have been on in the evenings/nights.

I know, I drive from 4 - Colne every night. When you get to Junction 10 - the visibilty on the 65 is infinitely better.
" But Lancashire County Council has confirmed it is set to axe the lights on the six-mile stretch from junctions 10 to 14 which had remained lit. "
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Thanx
[quote][p][bold]hasslem hasslem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]burner[/bold] wrote: Darener . . . if you are correct then the whole bloody article is a mess of reporting . . . they seem to have missed out the most important fact. Are the lights currently in use in the evenings or do they not work at all ? Anyone got the answer ?[/p][/quote]the lights to junction 10 have been switched off permanently - and the fuse boxes (i am no sparky) removed - so they cannot be switched back on - These lights were managed by the Highways Agency. The lights from junction 10 are managed by the Local Authority and up until now have been on in the evenings/nights. I know, I drive from 4 - Colne every night. When you get to Junction 10 - the visibilty on the 65 is infinitely better.[/p][/quote]" But Lancashire County Council has confirmed it is set to axe the lights on the six-mile stretch from junctions 10 to 14 which had remained lit. " . Thanx burner
  • Score: 1

4:23pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Begbie says...

Shipping the lights south no doubt to their Southern masters. Out lights will probably be lighting up a Kent highway.
Shipping the lights south no doubt to their Southern masters. Out lights will probably be lighting up a Kent highway. Begbie
  • Score: 0

4:28pm Fri 21 Feb 14

happycyclist says...

Road safety? Give me a break. Drive more carefully and considerately -that's the only way any of our roads will be safer.
Road safety? Give me a break. Drive more carefully and considerately -that's the only way any of our roads will be safer. happycyclist
  • Score: 1

4:59pm Fri 21 Feb 14

phil kernot says...

To be removed to fit a concrete barrier , to improve road safety ,, ist wouldn't need it if it was lit up , and 2nd why can't the cable runs be runn through conduit to dragg the cables through bad excuse bad management and thay won't find a simple answer as that would undermine management and thay all pee in the same pot ,,,,
To be removed to fit a concrete barrier , to improve road safety ,, ist wouldn't need it if it was lit up , and 2nd why can't the cable runs be runn through conduit to dragg the cables through bad excuse bad management and thay won't find a simple answer as that would undermine management and thay all pee in the same pot ,,,, phil kernot
  • Score: 0

5:36pm Fri 21 Feb 14

mys says...

What a joke,this goverment need shooting the lot of them,we or a third world country now,they take take take of us by increasing tax etc and then they let everyone they can come into our country and take even more off us to pay for them,we pay for the lighting out of our good hard earned money,there's gunna be no pensions for us when we retire all so them at the top can fill there own sodding pockets,then you wonder why homelessness,suiside
,crime rate etc etc etc has gone through the roof,look at the men at the top there as much use as a chocolate fire guard,money before safety,a total disgrace.
What a joke,this goverment need shooting the lot of them,we or a third world country now,they take take take of us by increasing tax etc and then they let everyone they can come into our country and take even more off us to pay for them,we pay for the lighting out of our good hard earned money,there's gunna be no pensions for us when we retire all so them at the top can fill there own sodding pockets,then you wonder why homelessness,suiside ,crime rate etc etc etc has gone through the roof,look at the men at the top there as much use as a chocolate fire guard,money before safety,a total disgrace. mys
  • Score: -2

12:29am Sat 22 Feb 14

fireonthemountain says...

Some superb comments .

May I chuck in my twopennorth ?

The worst motorway in The British Isles is the M74 .
Absolute shocker . No lights , some horrendous and unexpected bends , and wait for it - potholes !!

I like the M6 - as has been stated by a previous poster , nice and quiet
after Lancaster . Until you hit the Scottish border .

I will never forget some poor innocent soul died when he crashed into a cow . Yes you did read that correctly . We were (not quite) first on scene . That was so awful . Utterly pitch black - he had no chance . R.I.P .

The second worst Motorway is the M65 .

It varies from two to three , and to two lanes constantly .

Junctions are horrible - for example the one leaving the M6 northbound .

The one where the M61 joins eastbound .

Turn off to Darwen ? - Make sure your brakes work .

Don't even get me started on the turn off to The Hospital .

Turn off to Burney or Accy ? Be frightened . Be afraid - be very afraid .

Whoever passed the desgn for this road shoud be in jail for manslaughter .

SWITCH THE LIGHTS BACK ON .
Some superb comments . May I chuck in my twopennorth ? The worst motorway in The British Isles is the M74 . Absolute shocker . No lights , some horrendous and unexpected bends , and wait for it - potholes !! I like the M6 - as has been stated by a previous poster , nice and quiet after Lancaster . Until you hit the Scottish border . I will never forget some poor innocent soul died when he crashed into a cow . Yes you did read that correctly . We were (not quite) first on scene . That was so awful . Utterly pitch black - he had no chance . R.I.P . The second worst Motorway is the M65 . It varies from two to three , and to two lanes constantly . Junctions are horrible - for example the one leaving the M6 northbound . The one where the M61 joins eastbound . Turn off to Darwen ? - Make sure your brakes work . Don't even get me started on the turn off to The Hospital . Turn off to Burney or Accy ? Be frightened . Be afraid - be very afraid . Whoever passed the desgn for this road shoud be in jail for manslaughter . SWITCH THE LIGHTS BACK ON . fireonthemountain
  • Score: 3

1:38pm Sat 22 Feb 14

vicn1956 says...

Doesn't this just sum up that our politicians are at best useless/incompetent at worst uncaring?
O other
P peoples
M money!
Doesn't this just sum up that our politicians are at best useless/incompetent at worst uncaring? O other P peoples M money! vicn1956
  • Score: 0

6:47pm Sat 22 Feb 14

turbo5 says...

Labour controlled council kicking back at the Governments £300M savings they have to make, so playing the spoiled child rather than looking at easy savings they play the victim which will tug on the public heart strings with highly visable cuts, so they can blame them on the nasty Tories. They should be looking at getting rid of the people with 6 figure salaries and useless departments, but they can't do that or it will expose they were over manned in these departments
Labour controlled council kicking back at the Governments £300M savings they have to make, so playing the spoiled child rather than looking at easy savings they play the victim which will tug on the public heart strings with highly visable cuts, so they can blame them on the nasty Tories. They should be looking at getting rid of the people with 6 figure salaries and useless departments, but they can't do that or it will expose they were over manned in these departments turbo5
  • Score: 0

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