185 in East Lancs lose out as benefit payments capped

A TOTAL of 185 East Lancashire residents or families have had their benefits capped by the government. 

Across Britain, almost 33,000 households saw their welfare payments reduced to national average earnings of £26,000 a year for couples and £18,500 for single individuals.

There were 2,292 in the north west, with Manchester the local authority most affected in the region, where 363 have faced cuts since the policy was rolled out last April.

Blackburn with Darwen saw 74 households capped, Burnley 26, Chorley 19 and Hyndburn 34. In Pendle the figure was 17, in Ribble Valley two and Rossendale 13.

Capping benefits so that households no longer get more in benefits than the average family earns is a key part of the Government’s long-term economic plan.

Bishop of Burnley John Goddard and Hyndburn MP Graham Jones expressed concern that the cap, while good in principle, could be a blunt instrument in dealing with vulnerable families.

Friday's statistics show that in November almost 150 households nationwide were capped by at least £350 a week; more than 1,000 single people without children were capped; and the top 10 areas (mainly in London) had more than 500 capped households each.

Minister for Welfare Reform, Lord Freud, said: “These figures show that the benefit cap is returning fairness to the system by ensuring that families on benefits can no longer get more money than the average family earns.

“It is not right that some families on benefits were receiving amounts of money that hardworking taxpayers could only dream of and our welfare reforms are working to fix the system.

“We already know that around 19,000 claimants potentially affected by the benefit cap have found jobs.”

Mr Jones said: “Labour supports the benefit cap but it can be a blunt instrument in terms of how people across the country are affected.

Bishop Goddard said: “The benefit cap is a good idea in principle but it is a blunt instrument for some vulnerable families.”

Blackburn MP Jack Straw said: “The principle of a benefits cap is a good idea. I have had no representations from Blackburn claimants affected. I shall be interested to see if any do in the future.”

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4:15pm Sun 12 Jan 14

darwenTower says...

Good.
There's no reason why those who don't work should be better of than those who (on average) do.

And before ranting, let's remember that there are people/couples in work who will be bringing in less than the average, should their earning be brought up to this level by the state?
Good. There's no reason why those who don't work should be better of than those who (on average) do. And before ranting, let's remember that there are people/couples in work who will be bringing in less than the average, should their earning be brought up to this level by the state? darwenTower
  • Score: 37

4:22pm Sun 12 Jan 14

LancsLass says...

Totally agree those working on "less than the average" should receive something to make their income the same as "the average"
Totally agree those working on "less than the average" should receive something to make their income the same as "the average" LancsLass
  • Score: 21

4:57pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Timefor says...

Absolutely, darwenTower and LancsLass, the sooner the living wage is made mandatory then the sooner the benefits bill comes down.
Absolutely, darwenTower and LancsLass, the sooner the living wage is made mandatory then the sooner the benefits bill comes down. Timefor
  • Score: 16

5:00pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

I have no problem with people on benefits, they may not be able to get a job? What I would like to see is the ones on benefits working 40 hours a week for our NHS service or sweeping the streets whilst there unemployed, these types of jobs are on the cut backs needed during these hard times and rant being done.
The ones sat at home watching Sky sports with a beer in there hands should have there benefits paid in vouchers for Electricity/Gas and food vouchers which don't include Alcohol or cigarettes, again make them turn out each day to do some kind off community work.
I am repeating myself here but we have Polish/Romanians coming over here and finding work? HOW do they manage it, I'll tell you why they are prepared to work at any job, and work for the minimum wage, some of our so called unemployed think this is beyond them.
I have no problem with people on benefits, they may not be able to get a job? What I would like to see is the ones on benefits working 40 hours a week for our NHS service or sweeping the streets whilst there unemployed, these types of jobs are on the cut backs needed during these hard times and rant being done. The ones sat at home watching Sky sports with a beer in there hands should have there benefits paid in vouchers for Electricity/Gas and food vouchers which don't include Alcohol or cigarettes, again make them turn out each day to do some kind off community work. I am repeating myself here but we have Polish/Romanians coming over here and finding work? HOW do they manage it, I'll tell you why they are prepared to work at any job, and work for the minimum wage, some of our so called unemployed think this is beyond them. Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: 28

5:02pm Sun 12 Jan 14

dianeakala says...

I work full time on minimum wage, I do not earn average £18,000 nor do most people in East Lancs. Why should people be allowed to sit at home with all the luxuries people who are on the minimum wage can only dream of.
I work full time on minimum wage, I do not earn average £18,000 nor do most people in East Lancs. Why should people be allowed to sit at home with all the luxuries people who are on the minimum wage can only dream of. dianeakala
  • Score: 37

5:11pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

Who needs Tories when we have the working classes turning on the working classes, job done.
Who needs Tories when we have the working classes turning on the working classes, job done. Michael@ClitheroeSince58
  • Score: -3

5:17pm Sun 12 Jan 14

ron1946 says...

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58
wrote:
Who needs Tories when we have the working classes turning on the working classes, job done.
knobhead liberal
[quote][p][bold]Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58[/bold] wrote: Who needs Tories when we have the working classes turning on the working classes, job done.[/p][/quote]knobhead liberal ron1946
  • Score: 6

5:33pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Timefor says...

Hey, Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58, your point is valid and fits with my view ie that the government is being very successful with its tactic of divide and rule whilst being ably supported by the, largely, right wing press.

In short, I reckon many/most people here in East Lancs are more than a little worried about their current situations and their futures in respect of jobs, housing, lifestyles etc and when those we want to trust continue with their stories, well, for many, the temptation to believe the stories and take them at face value is too great.

Maybe what's needed are proper counter arguments or, better still, pro-active appraisals of the "true" situation eg benefits fraud (much of which is down to staff error) is estimated about £1.2bn pa and there are about 3500 staff engaged in searching this out. Tax avoidance is estimated to cost the Country about £25bn and there about 300 staff engaged in searching this out. Anyone else other than me think that there might be something amiss with the way any of this is being approached?

Similarly, the public greatly underestimate the extent of UK wealth inequality. In 2013 they thought that the top 20% of the population owned 39% of wealth and the bottom 20% owned 10%. The actual distribution is far more unequal – the top 20% own 62% while the bottom 20% has less than 1%. Remember, we're all in this together. Really?
Hey, Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58, your point is valid and fits with my view ie that the government is being very successful with its tactic of divide and rule whilst being ably supported by the, largely, right wing press. In short, I reckon many/most people here in East Lancs are more than a little worried about their current situations and their futures in respect of jobs, housing, lifestyles etc and when those we want to trust continue with their stories, well, for many, the temptation to believe the stories and take them at face value is too great. Maybe what's needed are proper counter arguments or, better still, pro-active appraisals of the "true" situation eg benefits fraud (much of which is down to staff error) is estimated about £1.2bn pa and there are about 3500 staff engaged in searching this out. Tax avoidance is estimated to cost the Country about £25bn and there about 300 staff engaged in searching this out. Anyone else other than me think that there might be something amiss with the way any of this is being approached? Similarly, the public greatly underestimate the extent of UK wealth inequality. In 2013 they thought that the top 20% of the population owned 39% of wealth and the bottom 20% owned 10%. The actual distribution is far more unequal – the top 20% own 62% while the bottom 20% has less than 1%. Remember, we're all in this together. Really? Timefor
  • Score: 7

5:52pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Horsfield Cllr says...

The living wage is £7.65 for workers outside London. Everyone should at least be paid that. I find it laughable that Lord Freud is happy that people might now starve to death in a fair way. We are all being conned by the way. The rich are getting richer and avoiding paying tax because they can afford to pay accountants to hide their money. They then turn on ordinary hard working people give them pay cuts, often throw them out of their jobs, saying they cannot afford to run those services any more and then deny them benefits, or for those 'lucky 'enough to be in work, they pay them rubbish money. We need to wake up. Stop fighting each other and actually turn on the people who are robbing us blind. the rich, the rich,the rich and the Government that supports the rich.
The living wage is £7.65 for workers outside London. Everyone should at least be paid that. I find it laughable that Lord Freud is happy that people might now starve to death in a fair way. We are all being conned by the way. The rich are getting richer and avoiding paying tax because they can afford to pay accountants to hide their money. They then turn on ordinary hard working people give them pay cuts, often throw them out of their jobs, saying they cannot afford to run those services any more and then deny them benefits, or for those 'lucky 'enough to be in work, they pay them rubbish money. We need to wake up. Stop fighting each other and actually turn on the people who are robbing us blind. the rich, the rich,the rich and the Government that supports the rich. Horsfield Cllr
  • Score: 13

6:18pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mmickk says...

I think the Gov should go further and any future families that have more than two kids do so at there own expense. There is far to many unloved uncared for children produced for benefits. And I fully agree with a voucher scheme and reporting to the job centre daily to get benefits. Im amazed there is only 185 families effected by the benefit cap in that case it needs cutting further.
I think the Gov should go further and any future families that have more than two kids do so at there own expense. There is far to many unloved uncared for children produced for benefits. And I fully agree with a voucher scheme and reporting to the job centre daily to get benefits. Im amazed there is only 185 families effected by the benefit cap in that case it needs cutting further. mmickk
  • Score: 7

6:29pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Horsfield Cllr says...

I love humanity, I think that most people are brought up to love and care for their sisters and brothers. Long may that last. The big difference between human beings and animals is I think the ability to care and empathise as opposed to just relying on base animal instinct.
I love humanity, I think that most people are brought up to love and care for their sisters and brothers. Long may that last. The big difference between human beings and animals is I think the ability to care and empathise as opposed to just relying on base animal instinct. Horsfield Cllr
  • Score: 8

7:28pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

ron1946 wrote:
Michael@ClitheroeSin

ce58
wrote:
Who needs Tories when we have the working classes turning on the working classes, job done.
knobhead liberal
No wrong! I'm not a Liberal, just some one that can see what is really happening. Wake up before it's to late. Not be long now and you will have a extreme right wing party disguised under another name like UKIP leading you all down the garden path to... all the lessons are wrote in the history books and it's repeating again.
[quote][p][bold]ron1946[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58[/bold] wrote: Who needs Tories when we have the working classes turning on the working classes, job done.[/p][/quote]knobhead liberal[/p][/quote]No wrong! I'm not a Liberal, just some one that can see what is really happening. Wake up before it's to late. Not be long now and you will have a extreme right wing party disguised under another name like UKIP leading you all down the garden path to... all the lessons are wrote in the history books and it's repeating again. Michael@ClitheroeSince58
  • Score: 1

7:46pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Horsfield Cllr says...

Michael@Clitheroe, you are very correct. It is scary how close we now are.
Michael@Clitheroe, you are very correct. It is scary how close we now are. Horsfield Cllr
  • Score: 6

7:56pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

Horsfield Cllr wrote:
Michael@Clitheroe, you are very correct. It is scary how close we now are.
Thanks for your support Ann
[quote][p][bold]Horsfield Cllr[/bold] wrote: Michael@Clitheroe, you are very correct. It is scary how close we now are.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your support Ann Michael@ClitheroeSince58
  • Score: 2

8:00pm Sun 12 Jan 14

ron1946 says...

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58
wrote:
Horsfield Cllr wrote: Michael@Clitheroe, you are very correct. It is scary how close we now are.
Thanks for your support Ann
Ann why have you not resigned yet ?
[quote][p][bold]Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Horsfield Cllr[/bold] wrote: Michael@Clitheroe, you are very correct. It is scary how close we now are.[/p][/quote]Thanks for your support Ann[/p][/quote]Ann why have you not resigned yet ? ron1946
  • Score: 3

8:10pm Sun 12 Jan 14

darwenTower says...

Michael@ClitheroeSin
ce58
wrote:
Who needs Tories when we have the working classes turning on the working classes, job done.
Nothing against the 'working' class Michael.

I don't care who's in power, if you don't work you can't collect more than those who do. Because that's just silly.
[quote][p][bold]Michael@ClitheroeSin ce58[/bold] wrote: Who needs Tories when we have the working classes turning on the working classes, job done.[/p][/quote]Nothing against the 'working' class Michael. I don't care who's in power, if you don't work you can't collect more than those who do. Because that's just silly. darwenTower
  • Score: 7

8:40pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Horsfield Cllr says...

Ron1946, any comments/statements I make will be to the people in my ward first. I haven't a clue who you are by the way. Please introduce yourself.
Ron1946, any comments/statements I make will be to the people in my ward first. I haven't a clue who you are by the way. Please introduce yourself. Horsfield Cllr
  • Score: 0

8:48pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mavrick says...

Several posters have touched on the living wage, If this was to be made law I can hear the screams now. we can't pay that or we will be out of business. Well simple, If your business can not support a living wage then it is time to wrap it up. We should not take our eye of the ball of who is to blame, no it's not labour. It is the faceless money men and women who control the financial sector and who started the recession. It has been said we should not turn on each other and that is true, We need to help Britain's working poor and remember any one of us could be on benefits through no fault of your own. It also serves to remind us that the people making these cuts will never have to suffer the effects of their decisions that's why they find it easy to make others suffer.
Several posters have touched on the living wage, If this was to be made law I can hear the screams now. we can't pay that or we will be out of business. Well simple, If your business can not support a living wage then it is time to wrap it up. We should not take our eye of the ball of who is to blame, no it's not labour. It is the faceless money men and women who control the financial sector and who started the recession. It has been said we should not turn on each other and that is true, We need to help Britain's working poor and remember any one of us could be on benefits through no fault of your own. It also serves to remind us that the people making these cuts will never have to suffer the effects of their decisions that's why they find it easy to make others suffer. mavrick
  • Score: 10

9:57pm Sun 12 Jan 14

raggedtrouseredphilanthropist says...

The UK population is over 62 million. So the national figure of 33,000 of those affected by the cap is a mere 0.05% !

This relatively small group in society has been made the scapegoats for a system that is in economic crisis as it fast approaches meltdown.

It can not be denied that wages are too low, not means tested benefits are too high.

Labour institutionalised poverty pay when it introduced the 'legal' minimum wage. There is no political party that represents the interests of the working class as a whole. We are now in a period where society is becoming sharply polarised. The 'haves' and the 'have nots' or put more simply - us and them! We all privately know which side we are on.

Attacking the poor and the vulnerable by using clichéd stereotypes fools no one. Those most affected will be in the forefront to fight back.

They have nothing to lose but their chains!
The UK population is over 62 million. So the national figure of 33,000 of those affected by the cap is a mere 0.05% ! This relatively small group in society has been made the scapegoats for a system that is in economic crisis as it fast approaches meltdown. It can not be denied that wages are too low, not means tested benefits are too high. Labour institutionalised poverty pay when it introduced the 'legal' minimum wage. There is no political party that represents the interests of the working class as a whole. We are now in a period where society is becoming sharply polarised. The 'haves' and the 'have nots' or put more simply - us and them! We all privately know which side we are on. Attacking the poor and the vulnerable by using clichéd stereotypes fools no one. Those most affected will be in the forefront to fight back. They have nothing to lose but their chains! raggedtrouseredphilanthropist
  • Score: 8

10:34pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Desi nelsoner says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
I have no problem with people on benefits, they may not be able to get a job? What I would like to see is the ones on benefits working 40 hours a week for our NHS service or sweeping the streets whilst there unemployed, these types of jobs are on the cut backs needed during these hard times and rant being done.
The ones sat at home watching Sky sports with a beer in there hands should have there benefits paid in vouchers for Electricity/Gas and food vouchers which don't include Alcohol or cigarettes, again make them turn out each day to do some kind off community work.
I am repeating myself here but we have Polish/Romanians coming over here and finding work? HOW do they manage it, I'll tell you why they are prepared to work at any job, and work for the minimum wage, some of our so called unemployed think this is beyond them.
Totally with you on this one - I'm a young working mum and live a less than average lifestyle despite working full time. I know of single mums on benefits living a life of luxury - something seriously wrong there!
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: I have no problem with people on benefits, they may not be able to get a job? What I would like to see is the ones on benefits working 40 hours a week for our NHS service or sweeping the streets whilst there unemployed, these types of jobs are on the cut backs needed during these hard times and rant being done. The ones sat at home watching Sky sports with a beer in there hands should have there benefits paid in vouchers for Electricity/Gas and food vouchers which don't include Alcohol or cigarettes, again make them turn out each day to do some kind off community work. I am repeating myself here but we have Polish/Romanians coming over here and finding work? HOW do they manage it, I'll tell you why they are prepared to work at any job, and work for the minimum wage, some of our so called unemployed think this is beyond them.[/p][/quote]Totally with you on this one - I'm a young working mum and live a less than average lifestyle despite working full time. I know of single mums on benefits living a life of luxury - something seriously wrong there! Desi nelsoner
  • Score: 9

5:32am Mon 13 Jan 14

Timefor says...

Mavrick is likely correct about the noises businesses will make if the living wage became law. They did the same in 1999 when the minimum wage was introduced. Their predictions of businesses closing, mass unemployment etc were proven to be unfounded then and so they would be if a living were introduced as the standard now. It seems that most of us Brits think that the Living Wage should be introduced and the most recent report about this I know of is from a survey recently conducted by YouGov. I think this is encouraging and the sooner politicians make this happen the better for everyone in the Country. Fact is that the introduction of the living wage will actually pay for itself very quickly and provide better, more decent standards of living for us all.

raggedtrouseredphila
nthropist also makes a number of correct and good points and I cant help but wonder how different our worlds would look, feel and be if our politicians/governme
nt focussed on ensuring decent incomes, developing jobs, building houses and improving our local areas rather than hitting out and scapegoating the poorest, “immigrants” or whoever is next on the hit-list.

The only political party I know of supporting any of the above is The Green Party and I often find myself wondering just why our trades unions aren't taking more of a lead in these areas. More fat cats or blocking by the right wing press?
Mavrick is likely correct about the noises businesses will make if the living wage became law. They did the same in 1999 when the minimum wage was introduced. Their predictions of businesses closing, mass unemployment etc were proven to be unfounded then and so they would be if a living were introduced as the standard now. It seems that most of us Brits think that the Living Wage should be introduced and the most recent report about this I know of is from a survey recently conducted by YouGov. I think this is encouraging and the sooner politicians make this happen the better for everyone in the Country. Fact is that the introduction of the living wage will actually pay for itself very quickly and provide better, more decent standards of living for us all. raggedtrouseredphila nthropist also makes a number of correct and good points and I cant help but wonder how different our worlds would look, feel and be if our politicians/governme nt focussed on ensuring decent incomes, developing jobs, building houses and improving our local areas rather than hitting out and scapegoating the poorest, “immigrants” or whoever is next on the hit-list. The only political party I know of supporting any of the above is The Green Party and I often find myself wondering just why our trades unions aren't taking more of a lead in these areas. More fat cats or blocking by the right wing press? Timefor
  • Score: 4

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