New academy plan in Blackburn heading for refusal

TAUHEEDUL Trust’s bid to build a boys’ school in Blackburn looks set to be blocked again.

Despite more than halving the initial intake from 700 to 300 at the proposed site for the Islamic academy in Shear Brow, officers have recommended planners refuse the new application on Thursday.

The trust submitted a revised plan after a High Court decision quashing permission to demolish the former YMCA building in Clarence Street so the school could move to a new, purpose-built home.

Neighbours remain opposed, claiming the development would cause traffic and parking problems.

Four protest letters have been sent to Blackburn with Darwen Council, along with four supporting the scheme. Planning officials recommend refusal, saying it is ‘a substantial over-development of the site, evidenced by a lack of external space to meet the needs of pupils’.

They add in a report: “Insufficient information has been submitted to determine the proposal can be satisfactorily accommodated on the site with regards to residential amenity of nearby dwellings as well as highway safety.”

In the High Court in October, Judge Mark Pelling ruled advice given to councillors when they approved a revised scheme in August was incorrect.

The initial application fell foul of borough rules on parking and traffic congestion. The revised scheme with an extra 16 parking spaces replacing the outdoor games area was approved. Judge Pelling decided advice given by officials failed to leave an ‘acceptable’ amount of outdoor recreation space..

The latest application keeps the car park on the games area. It stresses pupils will be taken by minibus to sports pitches at Tauheedul’s Girls’ High School off Preston New Road, where there have been traffic problems.

Tauheedul Trust declined to comment in advance of the meeting.

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4:10pm Sun 15 Dec 13

ghost of sceptic says...

Islamic schools girls only boys only. Sounds very divisive to me. I think i am now better understandind what it is to be Muslim, instaead of being a human being and an individual who can think for themselves.
Islamic schools girls only boys only. Sounds very divisive to me. I think i am now better understandind what it is to be Muslim, instaead of being a human being and an individual who can think for themselves. ghost of sceptic

4:56pm Sun 15 Dec 13

billy32 says...

It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.
It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late. billy32

5:02pm Sun 15 Dec 13

HenningBerg-er says...

billy32 wrote:
It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.
It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror).
How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?'
For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most
[quote][p][bold]billy32[/bold] wrote: It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.[/p][/quote]It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror). How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?' For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most HenningBerg-er

5:06pm Sun 15 Dec 13

blackburn4life says...

Shame.
Shame. blackburn4life

5:09pm Sun 15 Dec 13

white_fright says...

HenningBerg-er wrote:
billy32 wrote:
It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.
It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror).
How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?'
For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most
Agreed - if, being in a single-sex school gives my child better prospects for the future, as all the research suggests and as Tauheedul Girls and Boys schools demonstrate again and again, I am more than happy to send my children to these types of schools, regardless of whether it is a Christian, Community or Muslim school
[quote][p][bold]HenningBerg-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy32[/bold] wrote: It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.[/p][/quote]It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror). How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?' For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most[/p][/quote]Agreed - if, being in a single-sex school gives my child better prospects for the future, as all the research suggests and as Tauheedul Girls and Boys schools demonstrate again and again, I am more than happy to send my children to these types of schools, regardless of whether it is a Christian, Community or Muslim school white_fright

5:17pm Sun 15 Dec 13

white_fright says...

Poor poor journalism!!! On 3/11/13 the LT published the story saying the High Court quashed the planning permission based on a technical point. Now the LT decide "..High Court decision quashing permission to demolish the former YMCA building in Clarence Street so the school could move to a new, purpose-built home."

Make your mind up!!
Poor poor journalism!!! On 3/11/13 the LT published the story saying the High Court quashed the planning permission based on a technical point. Now the LT decide "..High Court decision quashing permission to demolish the former YMCA building in Clarence Street so the school could move to a new, purpose-built home." Make your mind up!! white_fright

5:31pm Sun 15 Dec 13

HenningBerg-er says...

white_fright wrote:
Poor poor journalism!!! On 3/11/13 the LT published the story saying the High Court quashed the planning permission based on a technical point. Now the LT decide "..High Court decision quashing permission to demolish the former YMCA building in Clarence Street so the school could move to a new, purpose-built home."

Make your mind up!!
Give the journalist a break-he's working weekends!
Anyway - just read a report in one of the national papers about parents paying over-the-odds for houses near the best schools. These 'neighbours' have the best school in the country moving near them. They don't realise how lucky they are.
If they really don't want to be near the school, they should wait until the school is built and sell the house for double the money! It's a win-win situation
[quote][p][bold]white_fright[/bold] wrote: Poor poor journalism!!! On 3/11/13 the LT published the story saying the High Court quashed the planning permission based on a technical point. Now the LT decide "..High Court decision quashing permission to demolish the former YMCA building in Clarence Street so the school could move to a new, purpose-built home." Make your mind up!![/p][/quote]Give the journalist a break-he's working weekends! Anyway - just read a report in one of the national papers about parents paying over-the-odds for houses near the best schools. These 'neighbours' have the best school in the country moving near them. They don't realise how lucky they are. If they really don't want to be near the school, they should wait until the school is built and sell the house for double the money! It's a win-win situation HenningBerg-er

6:40pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Lancs - pensioner says...

HenningBerg-er wrote:
billy32 wrote:
It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.
It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror).
How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?'
For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most
It's also called segregation! Why can't they achieve these excellent results at a Tauheedul mixed school, it's not the Muslim faiths way is the answer, segregation with children is a poor start to there lives, let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school.
[quote][p][bold]HenningBerg-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy32[/bold] wrote: It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.[/p][/quote]It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror). How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?' For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most[/p][/quote]It's also called segregation! Why can't they achieve these excellent results at a Tauheedul mixed school, it's not the Muslim faiths way is the answer, segregation with children is a poor start to there lives, let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school. Lancs - pensioner

6:55pm Sun 15 Dec 13

timeforcommonsense says...

The achievements of schools, Muslim or otherwise, is tantamount to David Copperfield making the Statue of Liberty disappear. It is all smoke and mirrors and deception. Ten years ago I was hearing of schools 'cheating' in order to boost their performance statistics. If you're deceitful enough you can convince people of just about anything.
The achievements of schools, Muslim or otherwise, is tantamount to David Copperfield making the Statue of Liberty disappear. It is all smoke and mirrors and deception. Ten years ago I was hearing of schools 'cheating' in order to boost their performance statistics. If you're deceitful enough you can convince people of just about anything. timeforcommonsense

7:07pm Sun 15 Dec 13

HenningBerg-er says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
HenningBerg-er wrote:
billy32 wrote:
It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.
It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror).
How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?'
For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most
It's also called segregation! Why can't they achieve these excellent results at a Tauheedul mixed school, it's not the Muslim faiths way is the answer, segregation with children is a poor start to there lives, let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school.
St Paul's Girls School, Hammersmith, London
Wycombe Abbey School, Buckinghamshire
St Paul's School, London
North London Collegiate School, Edgware London
Westminster School, London
City of London School for Girls
Guildford High School for Girls
Haberdashers' Aske's School for Girls - Elstree
Oxford High School GDST
Withington Girls School - Manchester

The above are a list of the best schools in the country (a simple Google search will reveal this). The one thing common about them all - SINGLE SEX SCHOOLS. Closer to home, QEGS and Westholme have always been the better schools, and rightly so. For so long they have also been single sex schools.

Your comment, "let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school" is shocking! Although I do agree with you in that bright students will shine at any school, I am appalled at the thought of the weaker, lower-achieving children to be allowed to just 'enjoy themselves.'

The fact that children perform better in single sex schools is clear.
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HenningBerg-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy32[/bold] wrote: It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.[/p][/quote]It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror). How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?' For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most[/p][/quote]It's also called segregation! Why can't they achieve these excellent results at a Tauheedul mixed school, it's not the Muslim faiths way is the answer, segregation with children is a poor start to there lives, let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school.[/p][/quote]St Paul's Girls School, Hammersmith, London Wycombe Abbey School, Buckinghamshire St Paul's School, London North London Collegiate School, Edgware London Westminster School, London City of London School for Girls Guildford High School for Girls Haberdashers' Aske's School for Girls - Elstree Oxford High School GDST Withington Girls School - Manchester The above are a list of the best schools in the country (a simple Google search will reveal this). The one thing common about them all - SINGLE SEX SCHOOLS. Closer to home, QEGS and Westholme have always been the better schools, and rightly so. For so long they have also been single sex schools. Your comment, "let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school" is shocking! Although I do agree with you in that bright students will shine at any school, I am appalled at the thought of the weaker, lower-achieving children to be allowed to just 'enjoy themselves.' The fact that children perform better in single sex schools is clear. HenningBerg-er

7:16pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Lancs - pensioner says...

HenningBerg-er wrote:
Lancs - pensioner wrote:
HenningBerg-er wrote:
billy32 wrote:
It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.
It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror).
How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?'
For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most
It's also called segregation! Why can't they achieve these excellent results at a Tauheedul mixed school, it's not the Muslim faiths way is the answer, segregation with children is a poor start to there lives, let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school.
St Paul's Girls School, Hammersmith, London
Wycombe Abbey School, Buckinghamshire
St Paul's School, London
North London Collegiate School, Edgware London
Westminster School, London
City of London School for Girls
Guildford High School for Girls
Haberdashers' Aske's School for Girls - Elstree
Oxford High School GDST
Withington Girls School - Manchester

The above are a list of the best schools in the country (a simple Google search will reveal this). The one thing common about them all - SINGLE SEX SCHOOLS. Closer to home, QEGS and Westholme have always been the better schools, and rightly so. For so long they have also been single sex schools.

Your comment, "let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school" is shocking! Although I do agree with you in that bright students will shine at any school, I am appalled at the thought of the weaker, lower-achieving children to be allowed to just 'enjoy themselves.'

The fact that children perform better in single sex schools is clear.
Some good points here but our opinions still differ.
[quote][p][bold]HenningBerg-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HenningBerg-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy32[/bold] wrote: It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.[/p][/quote]It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror). How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?' For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most[/p][/quote]It's also called segregation! Why can't they achieve these excellent results at a Tauheedul mixed school, it's not the Muslim faiths way is the answer, segregation with children is a poor start to there lives, let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school.[/p][/quote]St Paul's Girls School, Hammersmith, London Wycombe Abbey School, Buckinghamshire St Paul's School, London North London Collegiate School, Edgware London Westminster School, London City of London School for Girls Guildford High School for Girls Haberdashers' Aske's School for Girls - Elstree Oxford High School GDST Withington Girls School - Manchester The above are a list of the best schools in the country (a simple Google search will reveal this). The one thing common about them all - SINGLE SEX SCHOOLS. Closer to home, QEGS and Westholme have always been the better schools, and rightly so. For so long they have also been single sex schools. Your comment, "let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school" is shocking! Although I do agree with you in that bright students will shine at any school, I am appalled at the thought of the weaker, lower-achieving children to be allowed to just 'enjoy themselves.' The fact that children perform better in single sex schools is clear.[/p][/quote]Some good points here but our opinions still differ. Lancs - pensioner

8:44pm Sun 15 Dec 13

blackburn4life says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
HenningBerg-er wrote:
Lancs - pensioner wrote:
HenningBerg-er wrote:
billy32 wrote:
It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.
It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror).
How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?'
For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most
It's also called segregation! Why can't they achieve these excellent results at a Tauheedul mixed school, it's not the Muslim faiths way is the answer, segregation with children is a poor start to there lives, let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school.
St Paul's Girls School, Hammersmith, London
Wycombe Abbey School, Buckinghamshire
St Paul's School, London
North London Collegiate School, Edgware London
Westminster School, London
City of London School for Girls
Guildford High School for Girls
Haberdashers' Aske's School for Girls - Elstree
Oxford High School GDST
Withington Girls School - Manchester

The above are a list of the best schools in the country (a simple Google search will reveal this). The one thing common about them all - SINGLE SEX SCHOOLS. Closer to home, QEGS and Westholme have always been the better schools, and rightly so. For so long they have also been single sex schools.

Your comment, "let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school" is shocking! Although I do agree with you in that bright students will shine at any school, I am appalled at the thought of the weaker, lower-achieving children to be allowed to just 'enjoy themselves.'

The fact that children perform better in single sex schools is clear.
Some good points here but our opinions still differ.
Nice to see a decent debate for once on LT Comments. I have to concur with HenningBerg-er ....single sex schools always tend to outperform mixed schools. In this case, like all Free Schools, the community makes a choice what type of school they would like and what type would suit their community. Every community knows their needs and knows their children better than anyone.
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HenningBerg-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HenningBerg-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy32[/bold] wrote: It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.[/p][/quote]It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror). How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?' For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most[/p][/quote]It's also called segregation! Why can't they achieve these excellent results at a Tauheedul mixed school, it's not the Muslim faiths way is the answer, segregation with children is a poor start to there lives, let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school.[/p][/quote]St Paul's Girls School, Hammersmith, London Wycombe Abbey School, Buckinghamshire St Paul's School, London North London Collegiate School, Edgware London Westminster School, London City of London School for Girls Guildford High School for Girls Haberdashers' Aske's School for Girls - Elstree Oxford High School GDST Withington Girls School - Manchester The above are a list of the best schools in the country (a simple Google search will reveal this). The one thing common about them all - SINGLE SEX SCHOOLS. Closer to home, QEGS and Westholme have always been the better schools, and rightly so. For so long they have also been single sex schools. Your comment, "let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school" is shocking! Although I do agree with you in that bright students will shine at any school, I am appalled at the thought of the weaker, lower-achieving children to be allowed to just 'enjoy themselves.' The fact that children perform better in single sex schools is clear.[/p][/quote]Some good points here but our opinions still differ.[/p][/quote]Nice to see a decent debate for once on LT Comments. I have to concur with HenningBerg-er ....single sex schools always tend to outperform mixed schools. In this case, like all Free Schools, the community makes a choice what type of school they would like and what type would suit their community. Every community knows their needs and knows their children better than anyone. blackburn4life

9:03pm Sun 15 Dec 13

AbZzZzZzZ says...

Statistically majority of single sex schools have a 70-90% A* A pass rate and truly are the leading schools of the the country. I don't believe being a Muslim school or certain strategies as mentioned above 'convincing people' has anything to do with the progress of a school for goodness sake! My niece attends Tauheedal Islam and from the work and routine I've seen I think the success is based on the schools discipline and schedule not to mention the management! Principal is an absolute genius! It's no conspiracy what the school or community does, I urge everyone with mixed feelings to actually visit the website:
http://www.tighs.com


And browse through the learning and development pages as well as the principals blogs, something well worth looking at.
Statistically majority of single sex schools have a 70-90% A* A pass rate and truly are the leading schools of the the country. I don't believe being a Muslim school or certain strategies as mentioned above 'convincing people' has anything to do with the progress of a school for goodness sake! My niece attends Tauheedal Islam and from the work and routine I've seen I think the success is based on the schools discipline and schedule not to mention the management! Principal is an absolute genius! It's no conspiracy what the school or community does, I urge everyone with mixed feelings to actually visit the website: http://www.tighs.com And browse through the learning and development pages as well as the principals blogs, something well worth looking at. AbZzZzZzZ

9:27pm Sun 15 Dec 13

woolywords says...

Dear LT,
Can we do away with this daft voting system, as it is apparent that there is a lot of bloc voting going on here?
Those with mutiple accounts, and I suspect, some strange agendas, are distorting what is, the opinion of the many. Their skewed idiocracy is leading them to believe that, by denigrating via a vote, they can change opinion.
The sad and awful truth is, in the English secondary system, teachers are no longer bothered about what pupils achieve, as long as they stay within the required parameters to keep their teachers jobs.
I have a long and ignoble past of railing against Islam but, (and here's the rub,) I cannot fault them for the standards that they consistently achieve in educating children.
Would I, as a bigot, have an issue with sending my children to one of these schools?
I have to say, in complete candour, and on balance, I'd opt for the Islamic school. As it is my duty, as a parent, to proffer my child, the best possible education that is available. And, who knows, they might learn something that is lacking my education
Whilst I'm dead against religious schools, having attended one myself, I was not averse to sending my daughters to a religious school, that was not mine, as it offered them the best education going, at that time.
What right-minded parent, does not want the absolute best for their child, irrespective of how it is achieved?
Again, I find myself having to propose a solution that others are unable to come up with..
Consider a self-imposed, one way system, where children are dropped off, as you descend Shear Brow, so as to not cause traffic chaos. This traffic management system could be sent to parents, when their children are accepted at the school. This simple but elegant method, precludes the need for children to cross the road.
And, school uniforms being what they are, consider car sharing with one of your neighbours, to ease the numbers of cars in the traffic flow. There's nothing like an older pupil, for making the younger one, feel accepted in any school.

The user, Mothernature, should be writing this stuff, not me.
Dear LT, Can we do away with this daft voting system, as it is apparent that there is a lot of bloc voting going on here? Those with mutiple accounts, and I suspect, some strange agendas, are distorting what is, the opinion of the many. Their skewed idiocracy is leading them to believe that, by denigrating via a vote, they can change opinion. The sad and awful truth is, in the English secondary system, teachers are no longer bothered about what pupils achieve, as long as they stay within the required parameters to keep their teachers jobs. I have a long and ignoble past of railing against Islam but, (and here's the rub,) I cannot fault them for the standards that they consistently achieve in educating children. Would I, as a bigot, have an issue with sending my children to one of these schools? I have to say, in complete candour, and on balance, I'd opt for the Islamic school. As it is my duty, as a parent, to proffer my child, the best possible education that is available. And, who knows, they might learn something that is lacking my education Whilst I'm dead against religious schools, having attended one myself, I was not averse to sending my daughters to a religious school, that was not mine, as it offered them the best education going, at that time. What right-minded parent, does not want the absolute best for their child, irrespective of how it is achieved? Again, I find myself having to propose a solution that others are unable to come up with.. Consider a self-imposed, one way system, where children are dropped off, as you descend Shear Brow, so as to not cause traffic chaos. This traffic management system could be sent to parents, when their children are accepted at the school. This simple but elegant method, precludes the need for children to cross the road. And, school uniforms being what they are, consider car sharing with one of your neighbours, to ease the numbers of cars in the traffic flow. There's nothing like an older pupil, for making the younger one, feel accepted in any school. The user, Mothernature, should be writing this stuff, not me. woolywords

9:46pm Sun 15 Dec 13

buckoff says...

I cannot believe this school wasting so much time on this and I hope TAUHEEDUL is picking up the bill and not tax payers. It is not in the interests of the school to carry on wasting time on this. If this is the best education in the country and yet they cannot work out this is a non starter its like trying to park two cars in a single garage. TAUHEEDUL your supposed to be educated kids need open space to chill and run round they are not battery chickens. Stop thinking about having to have your own way and find somewhere more suitable with a sports field and no neighbors.
I cannot believe this school wasting so much time on this and I hope TAUHEEDUL is picking up the bill and not tax payers. It is not in the interests of the school to carry on wasting time on this. If this is the best education in the country and yet they cannot work out this is a non starter its like trying to park two cars in a single garage. TAUHEEDUL your supposed to be educated kids need open space to chill and run round they are not battery chickens. Stop thinking about having to have your own way and find somewhere more suitable with a sports field and no neighbors. buckoff

10:05pm Sun 15 Dec 13

blackburn4life says...

buckoff wrote:
I cannot believe this school wasting so much time on this and I hope TAUHEEDUL is picking up the bill and not tax payers. It is not in the interests of the school to carry on wasting time on this. If this is the best education in the country and yet they cannot work out this is a non starter its like trying to park two cars in a single garage. TAUHEEDUL your supposed to be educated kids need open space to chill and run round they are not battery chickens. Stop thinking about having to have your own way and find somewhere more suitable with a sports field and no neighbors.
The school is not wasting anytime, in fact the school would presumably want to be in a new site ASAP ..from what the LT reported, the council made a technical error, hence, the delay.
[quote][p][bold]buckoff[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe this school wasting so much time on this and I hope TAUHEEDUL is picking up the bill and not tax payers. It is not in the interests of the school to carry on wasting time on this. If this is the best education in the country and yet they cannot work out this is a non starter its like trying to park two cars in a single garage. TAUHEEDUL your supposed to be educated kids need open space to chill and run round they are not battery chickens. Stop thinking about having to have your own way and find somewhere more suitable with a sports field and no neighbors.[/p][/quote]The school is not wasting anytime, in fact the school would presumably want to be in a new site ASAP ..from what the LT reported, the council made a technical error, hence, the delay. blackburn4life

10:16pm Sun 15 Dec 13

HenningBerg-er says...

woolywords wrote:
Dear LT,
Can we do away with this daft voting system, as it is apparent that there is a lot of bloc voting going on here?
Those with mutiple accounts, and I suspect, some strange agendas, are distorting what is, the opinion of the many. Their skewed idiocracy is leading them to believe that, by denigrating via a vote, they can change opinion.
The sad and awful truth is, in the English secondary system, teachers are no longer bothered about what pupils achieve, as long as they stay within the required parameters to keep their teachers jobs.
I have a long and ignoble past of railing against Islam but, (and here's the rub,) I cannot fault them for the standards that they consistently achieve in educating children.
Would I, as a bigot, have an issue with sending my children to one of these schools?
I have to say, in complete candour, and on balance, I'd opt for the Islamic school. As it is my duty, as a parent, to proffer my child, the best possible education that is available. And, who knows, they might learn something that is lacking my education
Whilst I'm dead against religious schools, having attended one myself, I was not averse to sending my daughters to a religious school, that was not mine, as it offered them the best education going, at that time.
What right-minded parent, does not want the absolute best for their child, irrespective of how it is achieved?
Again, I find myself having to propose a solution that others are unable to come up with..
Consider a self-imposed, one way system, where children are dropped off, as you descend Shear Brow, so as to not cause traffic chaos. This traffic management system could be sent to parents, when their children are accepted at the school. This simple but elegant method, precludes the need for children to cross the road.
And, school uniforms being what they are, consider car sharing with one of your neighbours, to ease the numbers of cars in the traffic flow. There's nothing like an older pupil, for making the younger one, feel accepted in any school.

The user, Mothernature, should be writing this stuff, not me.
I have the greatest respect for both woolywords and lancs_pensioner.

Lancs_pensioner - I do understand that maybe we do not always see eye to eye and disagree on most issues but today you have acknowledged that there are alternative points of view and although you don't subscribe to those views, you are prepared to 'agree to disagree.'

Woolywords - Despite your perceptions on Islam and religious schools, you have acknowledged that the Tauheedul organisation is providing top-class education to the children of Blackburn and the community of Blackburn should be doing all in their power to support such causes.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Dear LT, Can we do away with this daft voting system, as it is apparent that there is a lot of bloc voting going on here? Those with mutiple accounts, and I suspect, some strange agendas, are distorting what is, the opinion of the many. Their skewed idiocracy is leading them to believe that, by denigrating via a vote, they can change opinion. The sad and awful truth is, in the English secondary system, teachers are no longer bothered about what pupils achieve, as long as they stay within the required parameters to keep their teachers jobs. I have a long and ignoble past of railing against Islam but, (and here's the rub,) I cannot fault them for the standards that they consistently achieve in educating children. Would I, as a bigot, have an issue with sending my children to one of these schools? I have to say, in complete candour, and on balance, I'd opt for the Islamic school. As it is my duty, as a parent, to proffer my child, the best possible education that is available. And, who knows, they might learn something that is lacking my education Whilst I'm dead against religious schools, having attended one myself, I was not averse to sending my daughters to a religious school, that was not mine, as it offered them the best education going, at that time. What right-minded parent, does not want the absolute best for their child, irrespective of how it is achieved? Again, I find myself having to propose a solution that others are unable to come up with.. Consider a self-imposed, one way system, where children are dropped off, as you descend Shear Brow, so as to not cause traffic chaos. This traffic management system could be sent to parents, when their children are accepted at the school. This simple but elegant method, precludes the need for children to cross the road. And, school uniforms being what they are, consider car sharing with one of your neighbours, to ease the numbers of cars in the traffic flow. There's nothing like an older pupil, for making the younger one, feel accepted in any school. The user, Mothernature, should be writing this stuff, not me.[/p][/quote]I have the greatest respect for both woolywords and lancs_pensioner. Lancs_pensioner - I do understand that maybe we do not always see eye to eye and disagree on most issues but today you have acknowledged that there are alternative points of view and although you don't subscribe to those views, you are prepared to 'agree to disagree.' Woolywords - Despite your perceptions on Islam and religious schools, you have acknowledged that the Tauheedul organisation is providing top-class education to the children of Blackburn and the community of Blackburn should be doing all in their power to support such causes. HenningBerg-er

11:06pm Sun 15 Dec 13

burner says...

If it's so good, then build it, open it . . . . but NOT HERE !!
If it's so good, then build it, open it . . . . but NOT HERE !! burner

6:50am Mon 16 Dec 13

Excluded again says...

HenningBerg-er wrote:
Lancs - pensioner wrote:
HenningBerg-er wrote:
billy32 wrote:
It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.
It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror).
How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?'
For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most
It's also called segregation! Why can't they achieve these excellent results at a Tauheedul mixed school, it's not the Muslim faiths way is the answer, segregation with children is a poor start to there lives, let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school.
St Paul's Girls School, Hammersmith, London
Wycombe Abbey School, Buckinghamshire
St Paul's School, London
North London Collegiate School, Edgware London
Westminster School, London
City of London School for Girls
Guildford High School for Girls
Haberdashers' Aske's School for Girls - Elstree
Oxford High School GDST
Withington Girls School - Manchester

The above are a list of the best schools in the country (a simple Google search will reveal this). The one thing common about them all - SINGLE SEX SCHOOLS. Closer to home, QEGS and Westholme have always been the better schools, and rightly so. For so long they have also been single sex schools.

Your comment, "let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school" is shocking! Although I do agree with you in that bright students will shine at any school, I am appalled at the thought of the weaker, lower-achieving children to be allowed to just 'enjoy themselves.'

The fact that children perform better in single sex schools is clear.
Most of these are schools that operate some form of selection. If you are allowed to pick and choose you are bound to do better than if you just take all and sundry.
[quote][p][bold]HenningBerg-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HenningBerg-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy32[/bold] wrote: It has taken quite a few years for girls to be treated the same as boys, it is taking the muslim community less than 20 years to undo all the progress that we take for granted in the UK. The British way of life is slowly but surely be eroded, and by the time we realise it will be too late.[/p][/quote]It is the Tauheedul School who, over the past ten years have educated the girls of Blackburn to a standard described by an independent panel as 'the best in the country.' (Daily Mirror). How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the Muslim community is 'undoing all the progress?' For a school in Blackburn to be described as 'the best in the country' is an astonishing achievement, far too readily ignored by most[/p][/quote]It's also called segregation! Why can't they achieve these excellent results at a Tauheedul mixed school, it's not the Muslim faiths way is the answer, segregation with children is a poor start to there lives, let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school.[/p][/quote]St Paul's Girls School, Hammersmith, London Wycombe Abbey School, Buckinghamshire St Paul's School, London North London Collegiate School, Edgware London Westminster School, London City of London School for Girls Guildford High School for Girls Haberdashers' Aske's School for Girls - Elstree Oxford High School GDST Withington Girls School - Manchester The above are a list of the best schools in the country (a simple Google search will reveal this). The one thing common about them all - SINGLE SEX SCHOOLS. Closer to home, QEGS and Westholme have always been the better schools, and rightly so. For so long they have also been single sex schools. Your comment, "let them just be kids enjoying themselves, if there bright enough this should come through at any school" is shocking! Although I do agree with you in that bright students will shine at any school, I am appalled at the thought of the weaker, lower-achieving children to be allowed to just 'enjoy themselves.' The fact that children perform better in single sex schools is clear.[/p][/quote]Most of these are schools that operate some form of selection. If you are allowed to pick and choose you are bound to do better than if you just take all and sundry. Excluded again

9:59am Mon 16 Dec 13

full moon says...

There is now a realization, puplls attending free schools means less pupils going to mainstream schools. We know this because of recent redundancies announced and with more to follow. Liberally minded Nick Clegg said " what is the point of government setting a national curriculum if most schools opt out of it?" This is truly a train gone off track!!
There is now a realization, puplls attending free schools means less pupils going to mainstream schools. We know this because of recent redundancies announced and with more to follow. Liberally minded Nick Clegg said " what is the point of government setting a national curriculum if most schools opt out of it?" This is truly a train gone off track!! full moon

11:30am Mon 16 Dec 13

pjones75 says...

Tauheedul schools stresses,
'pupils from the tauheedul boys school will be taken by mini-bus to sport pitches at the tauheedul girls school'.
What if the girls see the boys?
Is this allowed in Islam?
Would they be stoned?
Tauheedul schools stresses, 'pupils from the tauheedul boys school will be taken by mini-bus to sport pitches at the tauheedul girls school'. What if the girls see the boys? Is this allowed in Islam? Would they be stoned? pjones75

3:44pm Mon 16 Dec 13

west-minister says...

The free schools scheme set up by tory minister Michael Gove is costing the British Taxpayer £6.6 million on average per school. 170 schools have been set up since September 2011 and more to come.
The national audit office said this week, ' the primary factor in decision making has been opening schools at pace, rather than maximizing value for the taxpayer '.
Does it not make sense then to invest these huge sums of taxpayers money on existing state schools who at present seem to have been forgotten by the government, than building more schools for which there is no need.
The government seriously needs to review their free schools policy before it gets out of hand.
The free schools scheme set up by tory minister Michael Gove is costing the British Taxpayer £6.6 million on average per school. 170 schools have been set up since September 2011 and more to come. The national audit office said this week, ' the primary factor in decision making has been opening schools at pace, rather than maximizing value for the taxpayer '. Does it not make sense then to invest these huge sums of taxpayers money on existing state schools who at present seem to have been forgotten by the government, than building more schools for which there is no need. The government seriously needs to review their free schools policy before it gets out of hand. west-minister

8:06pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mmcampbell says...

I can't believe this issue of whether to build this school or not at this location is still not resolved. Tauheedul schools stop wasting hard earned public money and time. The location is not suitable for a school, find another, case closed.
I can't believe this issue of whether to build this school or not at this location is still not resolved. Tauheedul schools stop wasting hard earned public money and time. The location is not suitable for a school, find another, case closed. mmcampbell

9:00pm Mon 16 Dec 13

HenningBerg-er says...

mmcampbell wrote:
I can't believe this issue of whether to build this school or not at this location is still not resolved. Tauheedul schools stop wasting hard earned public money and time. The location is not suitable for a school, find another, case closed.
The issue was resolved when planning permission was granted. It's hardly the school's fault that the neighbours around the site took the council to court for mis-representing the case (depending on which version of the story you read on the LT).

'The location is not suitable for a school' is your opinion; one which was not shared by the planning committee last time round.
[quote][p][bold]mmcampbell[/bold] wrote: I can't believe this issue of whether to build this school or not at this location is still not resolved. Tauheedul schools stop wasting hard earned public money and time. The location is not suitable for a school, find another, case closed.[/p][/quote]The issue was resolved when planning permission was granted. It's hardly the school's fault that the neighbours around the site took the council to court for mis-representing the case (depending on which version of the story you read on the LT). 'The location is not suitable for a school' is your opinion; one which was not shared by the planning committee last time round. HenningBerg-er

12:42am Tue 17 Dec 13

buckoff says...

HenningBerg-er wrote:
mmcampbell wrote:
I can't believe this issue of whether to build this school or not at this location is still not resolved. Tauheedul schools stop wasting hard earned public money and time. The location is not suitable for a school, find another, case closed.
The issue was resolved when planning permission was granted. It's hardly the school's fault that the neighbours around the site took the council to court for mis-representing the case (depending on which version of the story you read on the LT).

'The location is not suitable for a school' is your opinion; one which was not shared by the planning committee last time round.
As kids we used to go roller skating at the YMCA and the traffic was bad then when all the parents came to pick us up at closing on a Friday nigh,t and that was less than a hundred kids. Henning do you even know this area its not rocket science have a drive round. Even with just residents cars its bad enough a school is a none starter.
[quote][p][bold]HenningBerg-er[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mmcampbell[/bold] wrote: I can't believe this issue of whether to build this school or not at this location is still not resolved. Tauheedul schools stop wasting hard earned public money and time. The location is not suitable for a school, find another, case closed.[/p][/quote]The issue was resolved when planning permission was granted. It's hardly the school's fault that the neighbours around the site took the council to court for mis-representing the case (depending on which version of the story you read on the LT). 'The location is not suitable for a school' is your opinion; one which was not shared by the planning committee last time round.[/p][/quote]As kids we used to go roller skating at the YMCA and the traffic was bad then when all the parents came to pick us up at closing on a Friday nigh,t and that was less than a hundred kids. Henning do you even know this area its not rocket science have a drive round. Even with just residents cars its bad enough a school is a none starter. buckoff

10:48am Tue 24 Dec 13

the white witch says...

There is already a Tauheedul girls school for muslims at the tax payers expense and now they want a boys Tauheedul school,
It`s time for England to start thinking about taking back it`s enlish country to the English as our churches are being demolished and mosques are built, our schools are in need of repairs & yet they can build muslim schools,
The councils needs to start acting in fairness for both english & muslim and then the communities might just start living together in peace,
There is already a Tauheedul girls school for muslims at the tax payers expense and now they want a boys Tauheedul school, It`s time for England to start thinking about taking back it`s enlish country to the English as our churches are being demolished and mosques are built, our schools are in need of repairs & yet they can build muslim schools, The councils needs to start acting in fairness for both english & muslim and then the communities might just start living together in peace, the white witch

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