M65 lights call after crash is refused

Blackburn Citizen: M65 lights call after crash is refused M65 lights call after crash is refused

FIREFIGHTERS have once again been thwarted in an attempt to have a section of the M65 illuminated after two car crashes.

It comes as the Lancashire Telegraph has launched a campaign to have the motorway’s lights turned back on after a man was killed in a late night accident.

Crews from Accrington fire station were called to a crash on the westbound carriageway near Junction Six of the busy motorway on Friday night.

A Vauxhall Corsa had hit the central reservation, writing it off, and the female driver was checked over by paramedics.

While they were on the scene, another collision occured between two cars going past the accident site, but nobody was injured.

Acting crew manager Chris Archer said he had asked the Highways Agency to turn on the motorway lights while they dealt with the accidents, but the request was refused.

He said: “We asked for the lights to be switched on again but they said no.

“I will be raising this issue once more.”

The Lancashire Telegraph launched its Light Up The M65 campaign after Burnley-born Mark Burgess, 39, of Abbey Village, crashed into a barrier near Junction Eight late on a Saturday night.

Three other vehicles and an ambulance, which was transporting a patient from Nelson to Royal Blackburn Hospital, crashed into the debris, with drivers saying they could not see it due to the lack of lights.

An Oswaldtwistle councillor has also added his support to the campaign.

Coun Peter Britcliffe said: “I have always opposed reducing lighting on motorways and have warned of the dangers.”

To sign the petition calling for the lights to be switched back on, visit the website bit.ly/m65petition

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7:35pm Mon 9 Dec 13

claytoner85 says...

I don't understand the issue here. I drive across the country on various motorways where there are no lights for miles and I never have a problem being able to see the road. Is this a case of people used to it being lit up?
I don't understand the issue here. I drive across the country on various motorways where there are no lights for miles and I never have a problem being able to see the road. Is this a case of people used to it being lit up? claytoner85

7:43pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Jerzei Balowski says...

claytoner85 wrote:
I don't understand the issue here. I drive across the country on various motorways where there are no lights for miles and I never have a problem being able to see the road. Is this a case of people used to it being lit up?
Agree completely. I have driven the length of the M55, which is unlit, every day for the last 20 years and can't remember a single night-time accident in all that time.
[quote][p][bold]claytoner85[/bold] wrote: I don't understand the issue here. I drive across the country on various motorways where there are no lights for miles and I never have a problem being able to see the road. Is this a case of people used to it being lit up?[/p][/quote]Agree completely. I have driven the length of the M55, which is unlit, every day for the last 20 years and can't remember a single night-time accident in all that time. Jerzei Balowski

7:47pm Mon 9 Dec 13

woodyads says...

It's perhaps the case that when there is an accident; an unlit motorway becomes an extremely dangerous place due to the fast moving traffic and the debris in the road - multiplying the chances of more accidents.
It's perhaps the case that when there is an accident; an unlit motorway becomes an extremely dangerous place due to the fast moving traffic and the debris in the road - multiplying the chances of more accidents. woodyads

8:52pm Mon 9 Dec 13

baldy999 says...

claytoner85 wrote:
I don't understand the issue here. I drive across the country on various motorways where there are no lights for miles and I never have a problem being able to see the road. Is this a case of people used to it being lit up?
There isn't an issue with having the lights off, the issue is getting them back on when there's an incident to prevent further incidents, improve safety for responding crews and aid Rescue operations.
[quote][p][bold]claytoner85[/bold] wrote: I don't understand the issue here. I drive across the country on various motorways where there are no lights for miles and I never have a problem being able to see the road. Is this a case of people used to it being lit up?[/p][/quote]There isn't an issue with having the lights off, the issue is getting them back on when there's an incident to prevent further incidents, improve safety for responding crews and aid Rescue operations. baldy999

8:54pm Mon 9 Dec 13

billy32 says...

If people drive on the motorway at the correct speed and distance there should be no problems. Modern cars have better lighting and brakes than years ago, i think that people just drive too close and take more chances.
If people drive on the motorway at the correct speed and distance there should be no problems. Modern cars have better lighting and brakes than years ago, i think that people just drive too close and take more chances. billy32

10:12pm Mon 9 Dec 13

neville davies says...

Debris on the motorway is the problem,even at 50 mph no lighting could result in a potential accident.Some drivers seem to use full beam which carries the same hazard.
Debris on the motorway is the problem,even at 50 mph no lighting could result in a potential accident.Some drivers seem to use full beam which carries the same hazard. neville davies

10:46pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Scooby says...

claytoner85 wrote:
I don't understand the issue here. I drive across the country on various motorways where there are no lights for miles and I never have a problem being able to see the road. Is this a case of people used to it being lit up?
It gives the Telegraph an easy story to fill the paper with.. And if they ever do get switched back on, they can run another big story about how it's all their doing! Woo yay!

In the meantime, the other thousands of drivers who use the motorway will carry on doing happily, and safely, without the lights...
[quote][p][bold]claytoner85[/bold] wrote: I don't understand the issue here. I drive across the country on various motorways where there are no lights for miles and I never have a problem being able to see the road. Is this a case of people used to it being lit up?[/p][/quote]It gives the Telegraph an easy story to fill the paper with.. And if they ever do get switched back on, they can run another big story about how it's all their doing! Woo yay! In the meantime, the other thousands of drivers who use the motorway will carry on doing happily, and safely, without the lights... Scooby

1:35am Tue 10 Dec 13

s_smith says...

Oh come off it! Vast swathes of the motorway network - M6 north of Preston,M55, M61 south of Preston, M6 for vast swathes, North and South of Manchester.. M1 between for the majority of its length,,M62 east of Ferrybridge, M18 for its entire length..the list goes one.

All of those are significantly busier than the M65.

All this is is some local campaign that means nothing at all, wont acheive anything except for filling columns inches in a non-newsworthy story that is designed just to create ire amongst locals who have never driven properly anywhere else in the country.
Oh come off it! Vast swathes of the motorway network - M6 north of Preston,M55, M61 south of Preston, M6 for vast swathes, North and South of Manchester.. M1 between for the majority of its length,,M62 east of Ferrybridge, M18 for its entire length..the list goes one. All of those are significantly busier than the M65. All this is is some local campaign that means nothing at all, wont acheive anything except for filling columns inches in a non-newsworthy story that is designed just to create ire amongst locals who have never driven properly anywhere else in the country. s_smith

8:51am Tue 10 Dec 13

rudis_dad says...

When are we going to have a "Slow Down, Stop Tailgaiting/Using Your Phone/Doing Your Makeup, Drive According to the Prevailing Conditions" campaign, LT?

The M65 was built at a time when traffic volumes were significantly lower than they are now - it simply isn't up to coping with the traffic that now uses it, and the shocking standard of control and attentiveness which the majority of drivers now display.
When are we going to have a "Slow Down, Stop Tailgaiting/Using Your Phone/Doing Your Makeup, Drive According to the Prevailing Conditions" campaign, LT? The M65 was built at a time when traffic volumes were significantly lower than they are now - it simply isn't up to coping with the traffic that now uses it, and the shocking standard of control and attentiveness which the majority of drivers now display. rudis_dad

10:00am Tue 10 Dec 13

petestan says...

You guys who are saying the cars should easily stop if they were concentrating correctly are talking rubbish. Even if you were driving at 50 mph there is no way you could see an accident that had happened in front of you in time to stop in the pitch black, you would be on it as soon as your headlights lit it up and you realised what had happened. The safe stopping distance at 50 mph is 175 ft (google it) how far ahead of you do you headlights show, 100 ft maybe, there is no way you would be able to stop in time no matter how good a driver you were. At least if the street lights are on, even if it's only until midnight, you have more chance of seeing an accident ahead of you and stopping in time, if it's pitch black you have none.
One of the posters on the previous accident article said that the reason they won't switch them on is the council have taken all the fuses out of the lights so they cannot switch them on even if they wanted to, if it's true that is crazy.
You guys who are saying the cars should easily stop if they were concentrating correctly are talking rubbish. Even if you were driving at 50 mph there is no way you could see an accident that had happened in front of you in time to stop in the pitch black, you would be on it as soon as your headlights lit it up and you realised what had happened. The safe stopping distance at 50 mph is 175 ft (google it) how far ahead of you do you headlights show, 100 ft maybe, there is no way you would be able to stop in time no matter how good a driver you were. At least if the street lights are on, even if it's only until midnight, you have more chance of seeing an accident ahead of you and stopping in time, if it's pitch black you have none. One of the posters on the previous accident article said that the reason they won't switch them on is the council have taken all the fuses out of the lights so they cannot switch them on even if they wanted to, if it's true that is crazy. petestan

10:13am Tue 10 Dec 13

phillyrovers says...

For me the road speed sensors which automatically activate the matrix speed signs depending on current road speed, should be linked to the lighting matrix. If a sudden drop in road speed is detected then the section of road that is affected has it's lights automatically turned on. This will give the authorities the time to ascertain if there is an incident that needs attention, if there is no incident the lights turn off after 1 hour.
For me the road speed sensors which automatically activate the matrix speed signs depending on current road speed, should be linked to the lighting matrix. If a sudden drop in road speed is detected then the section of road that is affected has it's lights automatically turned on. This will give the authorities the time to ascertain if there is an incident that needs attention, if there is no incident the lights turn off after 1 hour. phillyrovers

10:37am Tue 10 Dec 13

Frisson says...

Im sure if who ever has said no had a relative involved in a crash on this section of the motorway the lights would be turned back on in an instant
Im sure if who ever has said no had a relative involved in a crash on this section of the motorway the lights would be turned back on in an instant Frisson

4:57pm Tue 10 Dec 13

rudis_dad says...

petestan wrote:
You guys who are saying the cars should easily stop if they were concentrating correctly are talking rubbish. Even if you were driving at 50 mph there is no way you could see an accident that had happened in front of you in time to stop in the pitch black, you would be on it as soon as your headlights lit it up and you realised what had happened. The safe stopping distance at 50 mph is 175 ft (google it) how far ahead of you do you headlights show, 100 ft maybe, there is no way you would be able to stop in time no matter how good a driver you were. At least if the street lights are on, even if it's only until midnight, you have more chance of seeing an accident ahead of you and stopping in time, if it's pitch black you have none.
One of the posters on the previous accident article said that the reason they won't switch them on is the council have taken all the fuses out of the lights so they cannot switch them on even if they wanted to, if it's true that is crazy.
Answer me this - if you are driving along an unlit road with your headlights dipped (as you would be on a motorway), how fast would you be going? WOuld you be driving at or above the speed limit; or at a speed that would allow you to stop in time if you needed to?

I have no doubt that had the lights been on, the fatality in question MAY have been avoided; but the fact remains that the majority of drivers on the M65 drive inappropriately, especially at night. Too fast, too close to the vehicle in front and with no consideration for anyone else but themselves.
[quote][p][bold]petestan[/bold] wrote: You guys who are saying the cars should easily stop if they were concentrating correctly are talking rubbish. Even if you were driving at 50 mph there is no way you could see an accident that had happened in front of you in time to stop in the pitch black, you would be on it as soon as your headlights lit it up and you realised what had happened. The safe stopping distance at 50 mph is 175 ft (google it) how far ahead of you do you headlights show, 100 ft maybe, there is no way you would be able to stop in time no matter how good a driver you were. At least if the street lights are on, even if it's only until midnight, you have more chance of seeing an accident ahead of you and stopping in time, if it's pitch black you have none. One of the posters on the previous accident article said that the reason they won't switch them on is the council have taken all the fuses out of the lights so they cannot switch them on even if they wanted to, if it's true that is crazy.[/p][/quote]Answer me this - if you are driving along an unlit road with your headlights dipped (as you would be on a motorway), how fast would you be going? WOuld you be driving at or above the speed limit; or at a speed that would allow you to stop in time if you needed to? I have no doubt that had the lights been on, the fatality in question MAY have been avoided; but the fact remains that the majority of drivers on the M65 drive inappropriately, especially at night. Too fast, too close to the vehicle in front and with no consideration for anyone else but themselves. rudis_dad

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