Lights switch off on M65 a ‘false saving’ says former MP

Blackburn Citizen: Lights switch off on M65 a ‘false saving’ says former MP Lights switch off on M65 a ‘false saving’ says former MP

THE switching off of the lights at the side of the M65 was a ‘false saving’, according to a former MP.

Peter Pike, who represented Burnley from 1983 to 2005, said he believed lives should be put before energy and cost saving.

The former Labour politician spoke to show his support for the Lancashire Telegraph’s campaign to have the motorway lights turned back on.

Mr Pike said: “In my view, switching the lights off was a false saving.

“Life is much more important and even if it is only one life that is saved, it is worth it.

“I am sure a vast number of people would say they prefer driving on the motorway when it is lit rather than when it is dark.

“I am also a strong believer that motorway lighting does make motorways much safer, particularly in bad weather and particularly in winter when we have longer nights.”

A petition was started last week by the Telegraph after a crash on the M65 in which father-of-two Mark Burgess was killed.

Three cars and an ambulance, which was carrying a patient, crashed into the debris, with some drivers saying they might have been able to avoid a collision, had there been lighting.

The M65 is managed by two bodies.

Junctions one to ten is the responsability of The Highways Agency, which turned out the lights on the 5.5mile stretch between junctions seven and 10 in 2011 in a bid to save around 350 tonnes of carbon every year.

A spokesman for the agency said they would be supporting police in their investigation into the causes of the crash, but could not confirm if the lighting policy would be reviewed.

Junctions 10 to 14 are maintained by Lancashire County Council. Its lights are switched off from midnight to 5am.

John Filis, county council cabinet member for highways, said officers would be looking into the issue.

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8:03pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

who gives a rat a*** about what a former mp from 8 years ago thinks?

Will we see another article on the lights tomorrow?

Place your bets.
who gives a rat a*** about what a former mp from 8 years ago thinks? Will we see another article on the lights tomorrow? Place your bets. Sajdin

8:12pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Nelson J says...

The lighting policy doesn't need reviewing......just switch the darn things back on and use your noodles before another accident occurs.
The lighting policy doesn't need reviewing......just switch the darn things back on and use your noodles before another accident occurs. Nelson J

9:08pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Scooby says...

Sajdin wrote:
who gives a rat a*** about what a former mp from 8 years ago thinks? Will we see another article on the lights tomorrow? Place your bets.
Yep, that's today's obligatory post done! Roll on tomorrow's. Shall we place bets on who supports it tomorrow? I'm guessing Nigel Evans.. He's trying to get his name out on as much as he can since all the accusations.. Or maybe the Dean of Blackburn Cathedral, Margo Grinshaw or Jeff Stone.. All the usual Telegraph commentators!
[quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: who gives a rat a*** about what a former mp from 8 years ago thinks? Will we see another article on the lights tomorrow? Place your bets.[/p][/quote]Yep, that's today's obligatory post done! Roll on tomorrow's. Shall we place bets on who supports it tomorrow? I'm guessing Nigel Evans.. He's trying to get his name out on as much as he can since all the accusations.. Or maybe the Dean of Blackburn Cathedral, Margo Grinshaw or Jeff Stone.. All the usual Telegraph commentators! Scooby

11:18pm Mon 2 Dec 13

kirsty40 says...

I am the fiance of Mark Burgess who had commented twice the week before that the stretch where his unfortunate accident happened was 'dangerous as you couldnt see the road markings and was an accident waiting to happen'! Never thought that it would be him though. Absolutely heartbreaking.TURN THESE LIGHTS BACK ON before we have another tragedy and someone elses family is left feeling as sad and lonely as I do!!!
I am the fiance of Mark Burgess who had commented twice the week before that the stretch where his unfortunate accident happened was 'dangerous as you couldnt see the road markings and was an accident waiting to happen'! Never thought that it would be him though. Absolutely heartbreaking.TURN THESE LIGHTS BACK ON before we have another tragedy and someone elses family is left feeling as sad and lonely as I do!!! kirsty40

11:50pm Mon 2 Dec 13

s_smith says...

I happened to be driving on the M6 and the M1 this weekend - Friday night as it happened - and there are huge swathes of once-lit motorway that have had the lighting removed.

Guess what... it was fine. Even in rush hour.

So therefore why is the M65 some kind of special case? The M55 is unlit; the M6 is unlit north of J33 - both are busier than the M65. And I would guess that the accident rate on the M65 hasnt got worse since the lighting removal either...

I would say this as well, having been down south the driving down there is much faster, but also much more assertive and more... confident. Getting back up here was very noticable... much slower, last minute decision-making, poor road positioning... I could go on. I would therefore think that the standard of driving plays a large part in the endless list of accidents on the entire length of the M65; lets face it there seems to be at least one every day.
I happened to be driving on the M6 and the M1 this weekend - Friday night as it happened - and there are huge swathes of once-lit motorway that have had the lighting removed. Guess what... it was fine. Even in rush hour. So therefore why is the M65 some kind of special case? The M55 is unlit; the M6 is unlit north of J33 - both are busier than the M65. And I would guess that the accident rate on the M65 hasnt got worse since the lighting removal either... I would say this as well, having been down south the driving down there is much faster, but also much more assertive and more... confident. Getting back up here was very noticable... much slower, last minute decision-making, poor road positioning... I could go on. I would therefore think that the standard of driving plays a large part in the endless list of accidents on the entire length of the M65; lets face it there seems to be at least one every day. s_smith

1:07am Tue 3 Dec 13

kirsty40 says...

s_smith wrote:
I happened to be driving on the M6 and the M1 this weekend - Friday night as it happened - and there are huge swathes of once-lit motorway that have had the lighting removed.

Guess what... it was fine. Even in rush hour.

So therefore why is the M65 some kind of special case? The M55 is unlit; the M6 is unlit north of J33 - both are busier than the M65. And I would guess that the accident rate on the M65 hasnt got worse since the lighting removal either...

I would say this as well, having been down south the driving down there is much faster, but also much more assertive and more... confident. Getting back up here was very noticable... much slower, last minute decision-making, poor road positioning... I could go on. I would therefore think that the standard of driving plays a large part in the endless list of accidents on the entire length of the M65; lets face it there seems to be at least one every day.
Mark was a 39 year old EXPERIENCED HGV driver.Far from inexperienced.Show some respect!
[quote][p][bold]s_smith[/bold] wrote: I happened to be driving on the M6 and the M1 this weekend - Friday night as it happened - and there are huge swathes of once-lit motorway that have had the lighting removed. Guess what... it was fine. Even in rush hour. So therefore why is the M65 some kind of special case? The M55 is unlit; the M6 is unlit north of J33 - both are busier than the M65. And I would guess that the accident rate on the M65 hasnt got worse since the lighting removal either... I would say this as well, having been down south the driving down there is much faster, but also much more assertive and more... confident. Getting back up here was very noticable... much slower, last minute decision-making, poor road positioning... I could go on. I would therefore think that the standard of driving plays a large part in the endless list of accidents on the entire length of the M65; lets face it there seems to be at least one every day.[/p][/quote]Mark was a 39 year old EXPERIENCED HGV driver.Far from inexperienced.Show some respect! kirsty40

8:27am Tue 3 Dec 13

A Darener says...

The last accident was at a lit section of the motorway....explain that!
The last accident was at a lit section of the motorway....explain that! A Darener

9:13am Tue 3 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

kirsty40 wrote:
s_smith wrote:
I happened to be driving on the M6 and the M1 this weekend - Friday night as it happened - and there are huge swathes of once-lit motorway that have had the lighting removed.

Guess what... it was fine. Even in rush hour.

So therefore why is the M65 some kind of special case? The M55 is unlit; the M6 is unlit north of J33 - both are busier than the M65. And I would guess that the accident rate on the M65 hasnt got worse since the lighting removal either...

I would say this as well, having been down south the driving down there is much faster, but also much more assertive and more... confident. Getting back up here was very noticable... much slower, last minute decision-making, poor road positioning... I could go on. I would therefore think that the standard of driving plays a large part in the endless list of accidents on the entire length of the M65; lets face it there seems to be at least one every day.
Mark was a 39 year old EXPERIENCED HGV driver.Far from inexperienced.Show some respect!
I do not think anyone is showing any disrespect to Mark. It is a case of whether to turn the lights on or off, I sincerely believe his accident was not caused by the motorway being unlit, he was thrown from his vehicle, was he wearing his seatbelt? Surely he would have not been thrown, there are a lot of unanswered questions for this accident, but one which cannot be pinned on the lights being off.

Mark RIP.
[quote][p][bold]kirsty40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_smith[/bold] wrote: I happened to be driving on the M6 and the M1 this weekend - Friday night as it happened - and there are huge swathes of once-lit motorway that have had the lighting removed. Guess what... it was fine. Even in rush hour. So therefore why is the M65 some kind of special case? The M55 is unlit; the M6 is unlit north of J33 - both are busier than the M65. And I would guess that the accident rate on the M65 hasnt got worse since the lighting removal either... I would say this as well, having been down south the driving down there is much faster, but also much more assertive and more... confident. Getting back up here was very noticable... much slower, last minute decision-making, poor road positioning... I could go on. I would therefore think that the standard of driving plays a large part in the endless list of accidents on the entire length of the M65; lets face it there seems to be at least one every day.[/p][/quote]Mark was a 39 year old EXPERIENCED HGV driver.Far from inexperienced.Show some respect![/p][/quote]I do not think anyone is showing any disrespect to Mark. It is a case of whether to turn the lights on or off, I sincerely believe his accident was not caused by the motorway being unlit, he was thrown from his vehicle, was he wearing his seatbelt? Surely he would have not been thrown, there are a lot of unanswered questions for this accident, but one which cannot be pinned on the lights being off. Mark RIP. Sajdin

10:40am Tue 3 Dec 13

vicn1956 says...

Where were these voices when the decision to switch them off was made? Could it be they were scared of the global warming fanatics?

Driving on the M1 down south is scary. They aren't "confident". They were aggressive and didn't give a hoot about road safety in their dash to save a few seconds over 10 miles- tailgating at 70mph and overtaking you on the nearside only to make you brake as they cut in front of you with a cars length. Clueless and dangerous is what I call them. I know why one incident turns into major multi-car pile ups- they don't leave any gaps and can't stop in time when something happens. Remember-you can do lots with 10 seconds saved on a trip!
Where were these voices when the decision to switch them off was made? Could it be they were scared of the global warming fanatics? Driving on the M1 down south is scary. They aren't "confident". They were aggressive and didn't give a hoot about road safety in their dash to save a few seconds over 10 miles- tailgating at 70mph and overtaking you on the nearside only to make you brake as they cut in front of you with a cars length. Clueless and dangerous is what I call them. I know why one incident turns into major multi-car pile ups- they don't leave any gaps and can't stop in time when something happens. Remember-you can do lots with 10 seconds saved on a trip! vicn1956

2:05pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Hayleyb94 says...

The lighting needs to be turned back on for the safety of others! Mark Burgess was my dad and I do believe that if there was lighting on the motorway then this could have helped stop the terrible accident happening and also it could have prevented other vehicles from crashing into the debris from my dads car. No road is fully safe to drive down with no proper lighting, even with headlights on you can't always see things in the road until last minute! This petition is to help all drivers that use the M65 and to ensure their safety whilst driving is as to the best it can be!

RIP Dad, I miss you! It shouldn't have happened to you but hopefully this will make people think about accidents that can be caused! ****
The lighting needs to be turned back on for the safety of others! Mark Burgess was my dad and I do believe that if there was lighting on the motorway then this could have helped stop the terrible accident happening and also it could have prevented other vehicles from crashing into the debris from my dads car. No road is fully safe to drive down with no proper lighting, even with headlights on you can't always see things in the road until last minute! This petition is to help all drivers that use the M65 and to ensure their safety whilst driving is as to the best it can be! RIP Dad, I miss you! It shouldn't have happened to you but hopefully this will make people think about accidents that can be caused! **** Hayleyb94

1:37am Wed 4 Dec 13

s_smith says...

Excuse me? Show some respect? He crashed his vehicle! A single vehicle accident, which then others collided with.

So yes, I will stand by the comments I made earlier... it is exactly driver error and NOTHING to do with the lack of lighting,

J2 to J6 has never been lit - what makes J6 to J10 any more dangerous? Nothing.

So reel your neck in and stop defending the indefensible...
Excuse me? Show some respect? He crashed his vehicle! A single vehicle accident, which then others collided with. So yes, I will stand by the comments I made earlier... it is exactly driver error and NOTHING to do with the lack of lighting, J2 to J6 has never been lit - what makes J6 to J10 any more dangerous? Nothing. So reel your neck in and stop defending the indefensible... s_smith

3:39am Wed 4 Dec 13

kirsty40 says...

s smith your comments absolutely disgust me.we are grieving!i have lost the love of my life and 2children have lost their dad!no need for your nasty insults.I for one do not want to read any more of your comments therefore i am removing myself from this post!!!!!
s smith your comments absolutely disgust me.we are grieving!i have lost the love of my life and 2children have lost their dad!no need for your nasty insults.I for one do not want to read any more of your comments therefore i am removing myself from this post!!!!! kirsty40

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