Ed Miliband jokes about dad controversy in Darwen

THE government is using the Keogh report into failures at East Lancashire hospitals to score political points and damage the reputation of the NHS, according to Labour leader Ed Miliband.

The leader of the opposition visited Darwen yesterday ((FRI)) with Labour’s parliamentary candidate for Rossendale and Darwen, Will Straw, to meet members of the public and discuss their concerns about the cost of living.

When asked about the hospital trust, Mr Miliband said: “I think that when things go wrong in the health service, Labour should be the first to say that they need to be put right.

“But I think that the problem is that this government wants to paint an appalling picture of the health service in order to undermine people’s belief in it.

“Some of the things that were in the Keogh report were absolutely inexcusable and appalling, and you’ve got to sort those problems out.

“But what you cannot have is an attempt to basically smear the good name of the health service completely, because the vast majority of doctors and nurses are doing a good and decent job.”

Mr Miliband also spoke about the controversial Daily Mail article published earlier this week.

He said it was an attempt to sully his character, and described it as ‘the cheapest trick in the book’.

He also joked with Will Straw about having a father who attracts controversy.

Gesturing towards Mr Straw, he said: “He’s used to having a dad who’s being attacked, so he knows the feeling!”

The Labour leader also expressed his concerns around free schools, and said that if elected, his government would ‘halt their expansion’.

Mr Miliband went on to talk about Labour’s plans for extending apprenticeships, repealing the bedroom tax, and dealing with the spiralling cost of living.

He said: “The cost of living crisis is the biggest issue on so many people’s minds.

“For a long time in this country, people expected that if the economy was going to grow everybody would do well out of it, and then somewhere along that way, that link got broken between your family finances and the growing wealth of the country, and I think we’ve got to mend that link.

“We’ve got to do it by creating good paying jobs, by making sure that when it comes to the economy growing it’s not just those at the top doing well but the gains are fairly shared, and also ensuring that the big companies like the energy companies don’t rip people off.”

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3:26am Sun 6 Oct 13

SWP supporter says...

Which developed country has the highest health care costs, by far? The US, which spends 18% of GDP.
That is 50% higher than the next most expensive (France)
The NHS system is cheaper, better, and free to users
Which developed country has the highest health care costs, by far? The US, which spends 18% of GDP. That is 50% higher than the next most expensive (France) The NHS system is cheaper, better, and free to users SWP supporter
  • Score: 3

9:35am Sun 6 Oct 13

thegiwrman says...

Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true?
That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.
Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true? That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story. thegiwrman
  • Score: 1

9:37am Sun 6 Oct 13

oldman68 says...

SWP supporter wrote:
Which developed country has the highest health care costs, by far? The US, which spends 18% of GDP.
That is 50% higher than the next most expensive (France)
The NHS system is cheaper, better, and free to users
So you think NHS is better than French and USA health-care services? Sir David Nicholson was rewarded with the top NHS job, (by the Labour Government at the time) for the shambles he presided over at South Staffs NHS. I cannot recall so many patients dying unnecessarily in France and USA, also being deprived drinking water and left lying in their own faeces. Marvellous how Nicholson has avoided the sack, instead of being given the top job - but thats politics for you.
[quote][p][bold]SWP supporter[/bold] wrote: Which developed country has the highest health care costs, by far? The US, which spends 18% of GDP. That is 50% higher than the next most expensive (France) The NHS system is cheaper, better, and free to users[/p][/quote]So you think NHS is better than French and USA health-care services? Sir David Nicholson was rewarded with the top NHS job, (by the Labour Government at the time) for the shambles he presided over at South Staffs NHS. I cannot recall so many patients dying unnecessarily in France and USA, also being deprived drinking water and left lying in their own faeces. Marvellous how Nicholson has avoided the sack, instead of being given the top job - but thats politics for you. oldman68
  • Score: -1

10:06am Sun 6 Oct 13

Excluded again says...

thegiwrman wrote:
Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true?
That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.
Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law.

There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself.
[quote][p][bold]thegiwrman[/bold] wrote: Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true? That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.[/p][/quote]Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law. There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself. Excluded again
  • Score: 8

2:58pm Sun 6 Oct 13

Chris P Bacon says...

oldman68 wrote:
SWP supporter wrote:
Which developed country has the highest health care costs, by far? The US, which spends 18% of GDP.
That is 50% higher than the next most expensive (France)
The NHS system is cheaper, better, and free to users
So you think NHS is better than French and USA health-care services? Sir David Nicholson was rewarded with the top NHS job, (by the Labour Government at the time) for the shambles he presided over at South Staffs NHS. I cannot recall so many patients dying unnecessarily in France and USA, also being deprived drinking water and left lying in their own faeces. Marvellous how Nicholson has avoided the sack, instead of being given the top job - but thats politics for you.
No, you won't 'recall so many patients dying unnecessarily in France and the USA' because we tend not to get reports on other nation's health services in our media so you don't see them. But working in our health service, I do see such figures and believe me, you would not want to live under the situation in the US and our NHS compares extremely favourably with the French one.

Perhaps you'd like to re-assess your view and come back with a different set of nations to compare with the NHS?
[quote][p][bold]oldman68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SWP supporter[/bold] wrote: Which developed country has the highest health care costs, by far? The US, which spends 18% of GDP. That is 50% higher than the next most expensive (France) The NHS system is cheaper, better, and free to users[/p][/quote]So you think NHS is better than French and USA health-care services? Sir David Nicholson was rewarded with the top NHS job, (by the Labour Government at the time) for the shambles he presided over at South Staffs NHS. I cannot recall so many patients dying unnecessarily in France and USA, also being deprived drinking water and left lying in their own faeces. Marvellous how Nicholson has avoided the sack, instead of being given the top job - but thats politics for you.[/p][/quote]No, you won't 'recall so many patients dying unnecessarily in France and the USA' because we tend not to get reports on other nation's health services in our media so you don't see them. But working in our health service, I do see such figures and believe me, you would not want to live under the situation in the US and our NHS compares extremely favourably with the French one. Perhaps you'd like to re-assess your view and come back with a different set of nations to compare with the NHS? Chris P Bacon
  • Score: 2

9:44am Mon 7 Oct 13

britguy says...

Excluded again wrote:
thegiwrman wrote:
Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true?
That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.
Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law.

There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself.
More likely that they would like to quell free speech and close the Daily Mail.
Oh and wasnt this the party who talked of dancing on Thatchers grave and wishing she hadnt been born.
Wasnt this the party who chanted the witch is dead.
Milliband should look closer to home before he starts getting shirty.
Pity he hasnt got anything to say about any policies regarding the next election other than the usual borrow and spend that got us into this mess.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thegiwrman[/bold] wrote: Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true? That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.[/p][/quote]Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law. There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself.[/p][/quote]More likely that they would like to quell free speech and close the Daily Mail. Oh and wasnt this the party who talked of dancing on Thatchers grave and wishing she hadnt been born. Wasnt this the party who chanted the witch is dead. Milliband should look closer to home before he starts getting shirty. Pity he hasnt got anything to say about any policies regarding the next election other than the usual borrow and spend that got us into this mess. britguy
  • Score: -3

10:23am Mon 7 Oct 13

thegiwrman says...

Excluded again wrote:
thegiwrman wrote:
Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true?
That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.
Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law.

There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself.
You can still take the newspaper to court if it prints comments which are not true.
The fact that the Daily Mail has not withdrawn it's comments, makes the comments more likely to be true.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thegiwrman[/bold] wrote: Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true? That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.[/p][/quote]Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law. There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself.[/p][/quote]You can still take the newspaper to court if it prints comments which are not true. The fact that the Daily Mail has not withdrawn it's comments, makes the comments more likely to be true. thegiwrman
  • Score: -1

1:35pm Mon 7 Oct 13

Excluded again says...

thegiwrman wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
thegiwrman wrote:
Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true?
That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.
Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law.

There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself.
You can still take the newspaper to court if it prints comments which are not true.
The fact that the Daily Mail has not withdrawn it's comments, makes the comments more likely to be true.
On the basis of what law? I don't know of any English law which allows you to take a newspaper to court for printing something that is not true, other than the law of libel. Which law cannot be used in the case of dead people.
[quote][p][bold]thegiwrman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thegiwrman[/bold] wrote: Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true? That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.[/p][/quote]Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law. There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself.[/p][/quote]You can still take the newspaper to court if it prints comments which are not true. The fact that the Daily Mail has not withdrawn it's comments, makes the comments more likely to be true.[/p][/quote]On the basis of what law? I don't know of any English law which allows you to take a newspaper to court for printing something that is not true, other than the law of libel. Which law cannot be used in the case of dead people. Excluded again
  • Score: 1

3:27am Tue 8 Oct 13

SWP supporter says...

thegiwrman wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
thegiwrman wrote:
Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true?
That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.
Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law.

There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself.
You can still take the newspaper to court if it prints comments which are not true.
The fact that the Daily Mail has not withdrawn it's comments, makes the comments more likely to be true.
The Daily Mail has probably never printed a true word about anything, except perhaps the date at the top of the page
[quote][p][bold]thegiwrman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thegiwrman[/bold] wrote: Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true? That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.[/p][/quote]Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law. There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself.[/p][/quote]You can still take the newspaper to court if it prints comments which are not true. The fact that the Daily Mail has not withdrawn it's comments, makes the comments more likely to be true.[/p][/quote]The Daily Mail has probably never printed a true word about anything, except perhaps the date at the top of the page SWP supporter
  • Score: 0

3:31am Tue 8 Oct 13

SWP supporter says...

oldman68 wrote:
SWP supporter wrote:
Which developed country has the highest health care costs, by far? The US, which spends 18% of GDP.
That is 50% higher than the next most expensive (France)
The NHS system is cheaper, better, and free to users
So you think NHS is better than French and USA health-care services? Sir David Nicholson was rewarded with the top NHS job, (by the Labour Government at the time) for the shambles he presided over at South Staffs NHS. I cannot recall so many patients dying unnecessarily in France and USA, also being deprived drinking water and left lying in their own faeces. Marvellous how Nicholson has avoided the sack, instead of being given the top job - but thats politics for you.
Believe me that happens in countries with privatised health services, and those without private insurance are turned away to die
By the way, do you read a lot of French and US newspapers?
No, I thought not
[quote][p][bold]oldman68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SWP supporter[/bold] wrote: Which developed country has the highest health care costs, by far? The US, which spends 18% of GDP. That is 50% higher than the next most expensive (France) The NHS system is cheaper, better, and free to users[/p][/quote]So you think NHS is better than French and USA health-care services? Sir David Nicholson was rewarded with the top NHS job, (by the Labour Government at the time) for the shambles he presided over at South Staffs NHS. I cannot recall so many patients dying unnecessarily in France and USA, also being deprived drinking water and left lying in their own faeces. Marvellous how Nicholson has avoided the sack, instead of being given the top job - but thats politics for you.[/p][/quote]Believe me that happens in countries with privatised health services, and those without private insurance are turned away to die By the way, do you read a lot of French and US newspapers? No, I thought not SWP supporter
  • Score: 0

3:33am Tue 8 Oct 13

SWP supporter says...

britguy wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
thegiwrman wrote:
Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true?
That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.
Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law.

There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself.
More likely that they would like to quell free speech and close the Daily Mail.
Oh and wasnt this the party who talked of dancing on Thatchers grave and wishing she hadnt been born.
Wasnt this the party who chanted the witch is dead.
Milliband should look closer to home before he starts getting shirty.
Pity he hasnt got anything to say about any policies regarding the next election other than the usual borrow and spend that got us into this mess.
There's nothing untrue about singing "the witch is dead", and it's an appropriate song because it was in fact specifically written about capitalism, as was the whole musical.
[quote][p][bold]britguy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thegiwrman[/bold] wrote: Why does Red Ed not take the paper to court if the lies about his dad are not true? That's the reason I tend to think there is some truth in the story.[/p][/quote]Because it is impossible to libel dead people. Even if the Daily Mail had said that Ralph Milliband had stolen Shergar, murdered princess Diana and been responsible for 9/11, there would have been no case to answer under English libel law. There's something quite human about a politician taking on a powerful national organisation just to defend the reputation of his dad who is no longer around to defend himself.[/p][/quote]More likely that they would like to quell free speech and close the Daily Mail. Oh and wasnt this the party who talked of dancing on Thatchers grave and wishing she hadnt been born. Wasnt this the party who chanted the witch is dead. Milliband should look closer to home before he starts getting shirty. Pity he hasnt got anything to say about any policies regarding the next election other than the usual borrow and spend that got us into this mess.[/p][/quote]There's nothing untrue about singing "the witch is dead", and it's an appropriate song because it was in fact specifically written about capitalism, as was the whole musical. SWP supporter
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