'Bedroom tax' set to hit thousands of East Lancs families (From Blackburn Citizen)

If people don't pay it, it said in the letter they will be made homeless. Absolutely disgusting... It's just the Poll Tax under another excuse for more taxation. Where are all the one bedroom properties ? This is a complete and utter Con !

This bedroom tax is a shambles. There were over a 100 protest marches this weekend and nothing was reported on the news channels. What happened to Human Rights in this country. The Conservatives brought in the Right To Buy so there are not enough properties left to rent in the social housing sector. Also the DWP send out letters saying you need £71 to live on in benefits and then they take this tax of it and also council tax, there will be many now who face homelesness and starvation

There is a Discretionary Housing Payment fund which could help some people who will face hardship with the bedroom tax. Looks like it is under-funded, but is worth a look for anyone who might come under these rules:

http://england.shelt
er.org.uk/get_advice
/housing_benefit_and
_local_housing_allow
ance/discretionary_h
ousing_payments

Private rental has been this way for ages, why should social housing tenants be any different?
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I agree it seems harsh at this stage and they are trying to 'fine tune' a bit by introducing exemptions but the real difference will be when people are looking to move in future, they will have to work out at that stage whether they can or want to pay for more room. people in private rented properties already have to consider this and so end up in more appropriate sized homes.

Why do we listen to a southern government?

Discuss northern rule................
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Expect a substantial rise in the number of people going to their doctors with depression and anxiety over this, and putting an extra burden on the NHS.

There should have been a much longer warning period before introducing this, to allow tenants to look for alternatives and for housing associations/council
s to build the required one-bed properties for people to down-size into.

useyourhead wrote:
Private rental has been this way for ages, why should social housing tenants be any different?
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I agree it seems harsh at this stage and they are trying to 'fine tune' a bit by introducing exemptions but the real difference will be when people are looking to move in future, they will have to work out at that stage whether they can or want to pay for more room. people in private rented properties already have to consider this and so end up in more appropriate sized homes.

Private rented aren't affected by this, though HB has been readjusted to a % of local rents, so there could be single people living in private rents who won't be affected no matter how many bedrooms they have. Let's say the maximum HB for private rents is £80pw around here (I don't know what it is). People drawing £80pw HB in private rents will still get £80pw HB and their JSA payment won't be affected. But someone in 2-bed social housing who was only getting £65pw HB will now have to pay £14 from their £71pw JSA. How is that fair?

useyourhead wrote:
Private rental has been this way for ages, why should social housing tenants be any different?
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I agree it seems harsh at this stage and they are trying to 'fine tune' a bit by introducing exemptions but the real difference will be when people are looking to move in future, they will have to work out at that stage whether they can or want to pay for more room. people in private rented properties already have to consider this and so end up in more appropriate sized homes.

Private sector rents are higher (often much higher) than social rent. Therefore if the person 'downsizes' into the private sector it doesn't necessarily mean that the rent will come down - indeed it will often rise, - meaning more housing benefits to pay out not less !
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Also, some public sector one/two bed flats are higher rent than a small 2/3 bed house.
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Also, homelessness will increase, thus forcing up costs for the taxpayer as housing in shelters / b&b's etc is more expensive.
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Not only does this scheme fail in its objective to save money it also punishes those working and the disabled. It is a rotten scheme, - introduced in the same week that £millionaires get an average tax cut of £100,000 per annum !
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''we are all in it together'' - my ar*e !!

oops. The first line of that should have read "...though HB for private rented has been adjusted to a % of local rents..."

happycyclist wrote:

useyourhead wrote:
Private rental has been this way for ages, why should social housing tenants be any different?
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I agree it seems harsh at this stage and they are trying to 'fine tune' a bit by introducing exemptions but the real difference will be when people are looking to move in future, they will have to work out at that stage whether they can or want to pay for more room. people in private rented properties already have to consider this and so end up in more appropriate sized homes.

Private rented aren't affected by this, though HB has been readjusted to a % of local rents, so there could be single people living in private rents who won't be affected no matter how many bedrooms they have. Let's say the maximum HB for private rents is £80pw around here (I don't know what it is). People drawing £80pw HB in private rents will still get £80pw HB and their JSA payment won't be affected. But someone in 2-bed social housing who was only getting £65pw HB will now have to pay £14 from their £71pw JSA. How is that fair?

All claimants should have the same allowances I agree, I confess I didn't know they were different.

The 'right to buy' scheme wasn't/isn't to blame for a lack of social housing. The scheme makes good sense because it keeps people who have lived in their area for years and been an asset, a stake in their environment. These are usually decent people who have been good tenants for decades. The problem is that the money raised by councils when homes are sold off isn't re-invested into new housing.
Another point of 'right to buy' is that the buyer then doesn't have to pay rent each week -allowing them to take lower-paid jobs, to spend more, or to lessen the Housing Benefit bill when unemployed.

Remember the poll tax riots that saw off Maggie! Me thinks the ConDems are counting the days!

harry you could be right watch this space

I dont see what the problem is my girlfriend have a 16 year old girl and a 14 year old boy she has been on the waiting list for 3 years now for a 3 bed flat/house as the children are too old to share a room anylonger so we have to sleep on a mattress in the living room while her neighbour who lives on her own has a 3 bed flat with two spare rooms because her kids have left home so to me this seams a good idiea.

bow1974 wrote:
I dont see what the problem is my girlfriend have a 16 year old girl and a 14 year old boy she has been on the waiting list for 3 years now for a 3 bed flat/house as the children are too old to share a room anylonger so we have to sleep on a mattress in the living room while her neighbour who lives on her own has a 3 bed flat with two spare rooms because her kids have left home so to me this seams a good idiea.

Are you going to pay for their moving expenses ? And pay for the cost of new carpets, curtains etc etc ? These are peoples Homes not just 'houses'. What exactly is the good idea ? That people are made homeless unless they pay this Tax ? What about when your girlfriends children leave home, will she pay the tax or will she move on again leaving her home behind ?

I have lived in my present social housing home for over 13 years and spent a lot of money on it. We are DECENT people, my husband works so we pay full rent. When a person applies for a house they are allocated what is availvable so if a single person is given a 2 bed property they take it as there are so few 1 beds available. The sick and disabled and that includes myself are going to to be the ones who will suffer. Also some people need a spare room for relatives to stay if they are ill. This Government have got it all wrong again and it will come back to bite them on the bum soon

Morag Crump wrote:

bow1974 wrote:
I dont see what the problem is my girlfriend have a 16 year old girl and a 14 year old boy she has been on the waiting list for 3 years now for a 3 bed flat/house as the children are too old to share a room anylonger so we have to sleep on a mattress in the living room while her neighbour who lives on her own has a 3 bed flat with two spare rooms because her kids have left home so to me this seams a good idiea.

Are you going to pay for their moving expenses ? And pay for the cost of new carpets, curtains etc etc ? These are peoples Homes not just 'houses'. What exactly is the good idea ? That people are made homeless unless they pay this Tax ? What about when your girlfriends children leave home, will she pay the tax or will she move on again leaving her home behind ?

i'm not just talking about my girlfriend i'm talking about all families that are in her situation 6 7 8 people having to live in a cramped 2 bed house while a single person is living in a 3 bed just dosn't make sence ???????

work hard and earn reasonable money country to what people think.
I live in a Three bedroom house on a hill (laugh when there's floods) I would like a couple of extra bedrooms but I want the Nash to pay.
that is just the same theory mad really.

I'm still waiting to hear how this affects those of us whom run a small business from our 'spare' room. This was encouraged a few years ago, as a method of starting up a business. What now though?

Nice to know that all those old people, whom rattle around in large homes, like a pea in a colander, won't be affected: Just those whom can least afford this extra payment.

Who would ever have thought that a British government would introduce a law telling people where they could sleep in their own homes? Or how they must use rooms in their own homes?

woolywords wrote:
I'm still waiting to hear how this affects those of us whom run a small business from our 'spare' room. This was encouraged a few years ago, as a method of starting up a business. What now though?

Nice to know that all those old people, whom rattle around in large homes, like a pea in a colander, won't be affected: Just those whom can least afford this extra payment.

If you are declaring your small home business and claiming a proportion of your home bills as business expenses then effectively that room is tenanted and being charged so you have already been paid the difference, just now you don't get to keep it, not sure about the oldies in large homes though, presumably own them and aren't claiming, in which case they aren't relevant.

Great isn't it, we the tax paying public, are being told how to utilise the bedrooms in our homes. Odd that MP's can still claim utterly ridiculous levels of expenses for second homes...I'll bet there are no limits on bedrooms there!!

This government just does not think anything through properly. No wonder they will lose the next election....Badly

Excluded again wrote:
Who would ever have thought that a British government would introduce a law telling people where they could sleep in their own homes? Or how they must use rooms in their own homes?

That is the whole point. It is not their home they only rent it. For all the votes lost by the people living alone in a large house it will be counteracted by the votes gained from those benefiting from the change.

If the people shouting loudly about this change had bothered to protest at the Local Housing Allowance, which on HB buys you a dump up Duke Bar/Burnley Wood this would not have happened. People on Housing Benefit in the private sector have to top up their rent considerably if they don't want to live in the botton 30% of rental properties, so I don't see why I should stand up for these tenants as they did not stand up for me. What goes around comes around.

to those blaming the tories - Liebour have not said they would undo any of this if elected.

A Darener wrote:

Excluded again wrote:
Who would ever have thought that a British government would introduce a law telling people where they could sleep in their own homes? Or how they must use rooms in their own homes?

That is the whole point. It is not their home they only rent it. For all the votes lost by the people living alone in a large house it will be counteracted by the votes gained from those benefiting from the change.

A great reflection of Tory philosophy. If you rent a property, you don't relaly have a home just somewhere you are temporarily allowed to live by your betters.

After the initial sabre rattling People will soon lose interest and apathy will win the day. I remember the poll tax riots yet people voted the Tories in again, If the turn outs at elections remain as low as they have been then people get what they deserve. I hope people do wake up and get very angry, Then politicians may well listen.

i think some people are just frustrated becuase they have to pay out of their pockets if they obviously want to show off a big house when no need

U.K government have spoilt the people from the begining which now they suffering difficulty understanding

Instance tax credit is payable to us what would you do if they stop this heh

People goes on holiday, buy posh cars, etc with this money heh

1. ian duncan smith has avoided telling us where all these smaller homes can be found so lets disregard the words of a "man" who only worked for 7 years in his life outside the tory party lives in a mansion and has happily sent his 4 kids to private school whilst claiming child benefit that he would like to see stopped after the second child.
2.the government presumes to know better than medical professionals and local authorities which have adapted homes for people with disabiltiies
3. the cost of people with disabilites moving to smaller homes which would then have to be extended and adapted to fit their medical needs whilst their vacated homes will have to be reinstated is economic madness
4. are there school places available for kids to move into when they have to leave their homes and move to a different area?
5 the absolute arrogance of these politicians who assume that social housing tenants are one step up the ladder from their despised squatters means that the pride and investment tenants have made in their homes and areas are devalued
6 every charity which is involved with disabled people and carers has condemned this policy..and that includes those who have previously been lauded by the pm for saving the economy billions.
7 lord freud believes that a parent who has shared parental responsibility can have 3 kids to stay for half a week in a 1 bed house by buying camp-beds sums up the fact that the nasty party really has returned.

The only post on here i can see being of any common sense is bow1974.
1. People in the affected housing dont work - if you dont work you cant complain about something you arent paying for! Simple really, and if you dont have a house fit for the size of your family i.e too big of a house then all is fair to me, you need to move out.
2. People who are in the affected housing that DO work - maybe you should consider putting your money to good use i.e private renting. Thats assuming you dont get housing benefit. if you do then again why whinge?

I dont buy why a disabled woman needs 3 bedrooms? i mean really? come on, one bedroom is enough - ever heard of a camp/blow up bed. Its not like she will be charging through her living room anytime soon otherwise i would consider it a trip hazard - obviously not the case.
No one is telling anyone how many bedrooms to have, its a case of if you have 3 and only use 1 and are not contributing to society then move out and be grateful you even have a roof and benefits.
Many folk who do graft are stuck in homes they have outgrown, bought out of their own money, paid for every month from the wages earned which have been taxed for the benefits of the cheeky slugs of society who are now complaining about what they have that they havent paid a bean towards!! The hardworking folk dont have a hells chance of upsizing because they cant get another mortgage because...wait for it...the government spend billions on giving handouts to the unwilling lazy child spewing bum wipes of the uk.
And while im at it yes of course you have spent money on the house you live in - surely you dont want us to fix it aswell as pay for the **** thing? if anything breaks in a council house you just ring them and out they come "no charge to you mr tenant", we have to pay for that and all our own repairs. We just dont expect to have that as a leg to stand on in a ridiculous moan about having to pay for something you dont need.
so what you slapped wallpaper on and ran a brush round - you didnt have to but it doesnt give you an argument to stay neither.
I suggest if you havent got a valid argument then accept it and move out.i.e

ghanto wrote:
i think some people are just frustrated becuase they have to pay out of their pockets if they obviously want to show off a big house when no need

U.K government have spoilt the people from the begining which now they suffering difficulty understanding

Instance tax credit is payable to us what would you do if they stop this heh

People goes on holiday, buy posh cars, etc with this money heh

ghanto i suggest that you might like to revisit stories which have recently been in the press of the carers of disabled and terminally ill people who have been told that they have to share a room/floor with their cared for before you spout such rubbish. this is not about posh cars etc as you so chamlessly claim it is about the fundamental hammering of those who are least able to pay. and yes ghanto the exchequer has also cut maternity grants at a time when people earning up to £150k will in future be able to claim additional tax relief for child care we must live in different countries ghanto in my version of the uk people are being hammered for daring to be disabled or sick that is on top of the vile company atos which is declaring that even people on chemo or dialysis are fit for work

pocketdragon wrote:
The only post on here i can see being of any common sense is bow1974.
1. People in the affected housing dont work - if you dont work you cant complain about something you arent paying for! Simple really, and if you dont have a house fit for the size of your family i.e too big of a house then all is fair to me, you need to move out.
2. People who are in the affected housing that DO work - maybe you should consider putting your money to good use i.e private renting. Thats assuming you dont get housing benefit. if you do then again why whinge?

I dont buy why a disabled woman needs 3 bedrooms? i mean really? come on, one bedroom is enough - ever heard of a camp/blow up bed. Its not like she will be charging through her living room anytime soon otherwise i would consider it a trip hazard - obviously not the case.
No one is telling anyone how many bedrooms to have, its a case of if you have 3 and only use 1 and are not contributing to society then move out and be grateful you even have a roof and benefits.
Many folk who do graft are stuck in homes they have outgrown, bought out of their own money, paid for every month from the wages earned which have been taxed for the benefits of the cheeky slugs of society who are now complaining about what they have that they havent paid a bean towards!! The hardworking folk dont have a hells chance of upsizing because they cant get another mortgage because...wait for it...the government spend billions on giving handouts to the unwilling lazy child spewing bum wipes of the uk.
And while im at it yes of course you have spent money on the house you live in - surely you dont want us to fix it aswell as pay for the **** thing? if anything breaks in a council house you just ring them and out they come "no charge to you mr tenant", we have to pay for that and all our own repairs. We just dont expect to have that as a leg to stand on in a ridiculous moan about having to pay for something you dont need.
so what you slapped wallpaper on and ran a brush round - you didnt have to but it doesnt give you an argument to stay neither.
I suggest if you havent got a valid argument then accept it and move out.i.e

pocket dragon people who are disabled and their carers cannot work. what do you suggest euthanasia? i am incensed by your downright spiteful comments the reality is that a full time family carer who lives in social housing saves the taxpayer (and the majority of carers gave up salaried work to care) billions a year. oh and the idea that a "council house" tenant phones up their landlord and says come fix a problem? which decade was that in please?

Nothing is good enough for a lot of these dollopers.They are fortunate enough to live in a country where the welfare system pays for people to live. You should be grateful for what you've got.

If you think that these welfare reforms are bad, they are a walk in the park compared to what is coming.I wouldn't be surprised if the bankster parasites start taking from our bank accounts, just like they are doing in Cyprus.Take your money from the banks now.

pocketdragon wrote:
The only post on here i can see being of any common sense is bow1974. 1. People in the affected housing dont work - if you dont work you cant complain about something you arent paying for! Simple really, and if you dont have a house fit for the size of your family i.e too big of a house then all is fair to me, you need to move out. 2. People who are in the affected housing that DO work - maybe you should consider putting your money to good use i.e private renting. Thats assuming you dont get housing benefit. if you do then again why whinge? I dont buy why a disabled woman needs 3 bedrooms? i mean really? come on, one bedroom is enough - ever heard of a camp/blow up bed. Its not like she will be charging through her living room anytime soon otherwise i would consider it a trip hazard - obviously not the case. No one is telling anyone how many bedrooms to have, its a case of if you have 3 and only use 1 and are not contributing to society then move out and be grateful you even have a roof and benefits. Many folk who do graft are stuck in homes they have outgrown, bought out of their own money, paid for every month from the wages earned which have been taxed for the benefits of the cheeky slugs of society who are now complaining about what they have that they havent paid a bean towards!! The hardworking folk dont have a hells chance of upsizing because they cant get another mortgage because...wait for it...the government spend billions on giving handouts to the unwilling lazy child spewing bum wipes of the uk. And while im at it yes of course you have spent money on the house you live in - surely you dont want us to fix it aswell as pay for the **** thing? if anything breaks in a council house you just ring them and out they come "no charge to you mr tenant", we have to pay for that and all our own repairs. We just dont expect to have that as a leg to stand on in a ridiculous moan about having to pay for something you dont need. so what you slapped wallpaper on and ran a brush round - you didnt have to but it doesnt give you an argument to stay neither. I suggest if you havent got a valid argument then accept it and move out.i.e

Well not worry, they will be coming for you next... Enjoy.

it aint your house, never will be. If i am paying for you to lie in a house that has spare bedrooms then does that mean i can stop contributing to the cost of keeping you there? I doubt it. If you cannot fill the house then it simple, move out! Its a good thing!

Benefits are supposed to be a short term solution, not a lifestyle choice. If you worked and paid your own rent it would not make any difference, they are giving people the opportunity to stay in their houses rather than kicking them out.
When are people going to realise that not working having your rent paid and living on benefits paid for the tax payer doesn't give them the same rights as though they own the property. Big bad government, hard done to, my benefits, Bedroom tax etc I have heard it all everybodies fault except theirs, simple solution get a job stop moaning and buy your own house. Then the genuine people like the disabled or those who find themselves homeless in the short term can actually find some accomodation instead of some single occupant boucing around the walls of a 3-4 bedroom house, while we pay tax to pay for the heating bills

lmhjones wrote:

pocketdragon wrote:
The only post on here i can see being of any common sense is bow1974.
1. People in the affected housing dont work - if you dont work you cant complain about something you arent paying for! Simple really, and if you dont have a house fit for the size of your family i.e too big of a house then all is fair to me, you need to move out.
2. People who are in the affected housing that DO work - maybe you should consider putting your money to good use i.e private renting. Thats assuming you dont get housing benefit. if you do then again why whinge?

I dont buy why a disabled woman needs 3 bedrooms? i mean really? come on, one bedroom is enough - ever heard of a camp/blow up bed. Its not like she will be charging through her living room anytime soon otherwise i would consider it a trip hazard - obviously not the case.
No one is telling anyone how many bedrooms to have, its a case of if you have 3 and only use 1 and are not contributing to society then move out and be grateful you even have a roof and benefits.
Many folk who do graft are stuck in homes they have outgrown, bought out of their own money, paid for every month from the wages earned which have been taxed for the benefits of the cheeky slugs of society who are now complaining about what they have that they havent paid a bean towards!! The hardworking folk dont have a hells chance of upsizing because they cant get another mortgage because...wait for it...the government spend billions on giving handouts to the unwilling lazy child spewing bum wipes of the uk.
And while im at it yes of course you have spent money on the house you live in - surely you dont want us to fix it aswell as pay for the **** thing? if anything breaks in a council house you just ring them and out they come "no charge to you mr tenant", we have to pay for that and all our own repairs. We just dont expect to have that as a leg to stand on in a ridiculous moan about having to pay for something you dont need.
so what you slapped wallpaper on and ran a brush round - you didnt have to but it doesnt give you an argument to stay neither.
I suggest if you havent got a valid argument then accept it and move out.i.e

pocket dragon people who are disabled and their carers cannot work. what do you suggest euthanasia? i am incensed by your downright spiteful comments the reality is that a full time family carer who lives in social housing saves the taxpayer (and the majority of carers gave up salaried work to care) billions a year. oh and the idea that a "council house" tenant phones up their landlord and says come fix a problem? which decade was that in please?

People who are disabled can work! My mum is disabled and there is nothing wrong with her brain....it's her legs and hands that don't work!!

If people want to keep their house they should go and get a job and pay the rent themselves....it's not rocket science!!

turn your spare rooms into prayer rooms.end of

The banksters are now openly looting bank accounts in europe, In Britian the state is taking from people who have nothing,people in Europe are pulling their money out of the banks en masse, Britain is heading for a triple dip recession,the American government is buying up ammunition like there is no tomorrow, food banks are opening up everywhere and you lot are going on about benefit scroungers,get a grip,it's divide and rule designed to distract you from the collapsing economic system.

Good call wrote:
The banksters are now openly looting bank accounts in europe, In Britian the state is taking from people who have nothing,people in Europe are pulling their money out of the banks en masse, Britain is heading for a triple dip recession,the American government is buying up ammunition like there is no tomorrow, food banks are opening up everywhere and you lot are going on about benefit scroungers,get a grip,it's divide and rule designed to distract you from the collapsing economic system.

We are already preparing now for the inevitable, we have stocked up with supplies, fuel and medicines.

I don't suppose it has anything to do with solving the catastrophic housing problem we have in accommodating further influxes if high birthrate immigrants? The media is a joke when it features the rocketing UK birthrates and problems with maternity wards, hospitals, etc, when it always shows a picture/video of an average White indigenous family, even though theirs has plummeted over the past 50-60 years to about half (or less) than that of some other large ethnic groups

Same goes for nearly every other negative story, e.g, on country-wide criminal activity, just in order to hide the true picture. How long before they start making claims on private homes? I would not put anything past the treasonous LibLabCon party.

M Foster wrote:
I don't suppose it has anything to do with solving the catastrophic housing problem we have in accommodating further influxes if high birthrate immigrants? The media is a joke when it features the rocketing UK birthrates and problems with maternity wards, hospitals, etc, when it always shows a picture/video of an average White indigenous family, even though theirs has plummeted over the past 50-60 years to about half (or less) than that of some other large ethnic groups

Same goes for nearly every other negative story, e.g, on country-wide criminal activity, just in order to hide the true picture. How long before they start making claims on private homes? I would not put anything past the treasonous LibLabCon party.

There is no low to which the global NWO crime syndicate will not stoop,they've started with the bank account in Cyprus, so it would not surprise me if they started taking under occupied private property under the guise of "solving the housing crisis" or some other propaganda.

pocketdragon wrote:
The only post on here i can see being of any common sense is bow1974.
1. People in the affected housing dont work - if you dont work you cant complain about something you arent paying for! Simple really, and if you dont have a house fit for the size of your family i.e too big of a house then all is fair to me, you need to move out.
2. People who are in the affected housing that DO work - maybe you should consider putting your money to good use i.e private renting. Thats assuming you dont get housing benefit. if you do then again why whinge?

I dont buy why a disabled woman needs 3 bedrooms? i mean really? come on, one bedroom is enough - ever heard of a camp/blow up bed. Its not like she will be charging through her living room anytime soon otherwise i would consider it a trip hazard - obviously not the case.
No one is telling anyone how many bedrooms to have, its a case of if you have 3 and only use 1 and are not contributing to society then move out and be grateful you even have a roof and benefits.
Many folk who do graft are stuck in homes they have outgrown, bought out of their own money, paid for every month from the wages earned which have been taxed for the benefits of the cheeky slugs of society who are now complaining about what they have that they havent paid a bean towards!! The hardworking folk dont have a hells chance of upsizing because they cant get another mortgage because...wait for it...the government spend billions on giving handouts to the unwilling lazy child spewing bum wipes of the uk.
And while im at it yes of course you have spent money on the house you live in - surely you dont want us to fix it aswell as pay for the **** thing? if anything breaks in a council house you just ring them and out they come "no charge to you mr tenant", we have to pay for that and all our own repairs. We just dont expect to have that as a leg to stand on in a ridiculous moan about having to pay for something you dont need.
so what you slapped wallpaper on and ran a brush round - you didnt have to but it doesnt give you an argument to stay neither.
I suggest if you havent got a valid argument then accept it and move out.i.e

thankyou pocketdragon for your comment i glad some people see my point of view and i agree with every thing you have said and i do sort of feel sorry for the genuine people that have lived and (PAID) for there council house but if you dont need them rooms anymore why not downsize save on heating etc and let bigger families have the space they so desperatley need i wish people would stop thinking about themselfs.

Politicians can claim for a second HOME not ROOM so while we are at it they should be made to stay in a bedsit when they are in London. After all thats all the room they would need. Turn some of the rooms in the houses of parliament into bedsits and they could be used on a rota basis. But no that wont be happening any time soon. Just let us mugs carry on paying for it.

Its an absolute disgrace what they are doing causing chaos and disruption to vulnerable peoples lives. I do agree that some people may have too many rooms, but there must be a better way of sorting it out than this.

Good call wrote:

M Foster wrote:
I don't suppose it has anything to do with solving the catastrophic housing problem we have in accommodating further influxes if high birthrate immigrants? The media is a joke when it features the rocketing UK birthrates and problems with maternity wards, hospitals, etc, when it always shows a picture/video of an average White indigenous family, even though theirs has plummeted over the past 50-60 years to about half (or less) than that of some other large ethnic groups

Same goes for nearly every other negative story, e.g, on country-wide criminal activity, just in order to hide the true picture. How long before they start making claims on private homes? I would not put anything past the treasonous LibLabCon party.

There is no low to which the global NWO crime syndicate will not stoop,they've started with the bank account in Cyprus, so it would not surprise me if they started taking under occupied private property under the guise of "solving the housing crisis" or some other propaganda.

Just like in Cyprus, they will be raiding our bank balances next - if you have one. Not content with taxing our hard earned money (income tax is a relatively new thing - for raising funds for the Napolionic Wars I think), then robbing us blind with a paltry interest rate (so more people can be ripped off by borrowing more cash), then taxing us on that small interest, then us loosing 5 - 10% due to inflation (caused by printing money which devalues the £) they will next dip their grabbing hands directly in our savings. That is why I am getting out of this fiaf currency and buying gold and silver (which is forecast to rocket) instead.

lmhjones wrote:

pocketdragon wrote:
The only post on here i can see being of any common sense is bow1974.
1. People in the affected housing dont work - if you dont work you cant complain about something you arent paying for! Simple really, and if you dont have a house fit for the size of your family i.e too big of a house then all is fair to me, you need to move out.
2. People who are in the affected housing that DO work - maybe you should consider putting your money to good use i.e private renting. Thats assuming you dont get housing benefit. if you do then again why whinge?

I dont buy why a disabled woman needs 3 bedrooms? i mean really? come on, one bedroom is enough - ever heard of a camp/blow up bed. Its not like she will be charging through her living room anytime soon otherwise i would consider it a trip hazard - obviously not the case.
No one is telling anyone how many bedrooms to have, its a case of if you have 3 and only use 1 and are not contributing to society then move out and be grateful you even have a roof and benefits.
Many folk who do graft are stuck in homes they have outgrown, bought out of their own money, paid for every month from the wages earned which have been taxed for the benefits of the cheeky slugs of society who are now complaining about what they have that they havent paid a bean towards!! The hardworking folk dont have a hells chance of upsizing because they cant get another mortgage because...wait for it...the government spend billions on giving handouts to the unwilling lazy child spewing bum wipes of the uk.
And while im at it yes of course you have spent money on the house you live in - surely you dont want us to fix it aswell as pay for the **** thing? if anything breaks in a council house you just ring them and out they come "no charge to you mr tenant", we have to pay for that and all our own repairs. We just dont expect to have that as a leg to stand on in a ridiculous moan about having to pay for something you dont need.
so what you slapped wallpaper on and ran a brush round - you didnt have to but it doesnt give you an argument to stay neither.
I suggest if you havent got a valid argument then accept it and move out.i.e

pocket dragon people who are disabled and their carers cannot work. what do you suggest euthanasia? i am incensed by your downright spiteful comments the reality is that a full time family carer who lives in social housing saves the taxpayer (and the majority of carers gave up salaried work to care) billions a year. oh and the idea that a "council house" tenant phones up their landlord and says come fix a problem? which decade was that in please?

which decade? i wouldnt know since ive never felt the need to have the taxpayers pay for my lifestyle so maybe you could enlighten me. Ive owned my own home since i was 18...off my own back.
And rightly as another post stated: disabled people do and can work - and i am aware there are genuinely unable (but not unwilling) people who need space which is denied because miss chav next door wants 2 kids and 4 'spare' bedrooms. Seems we live in a society where those who see benefits and freebies as a given right expect it all on a silver platter.
As with everything government there are losers, us the hardworking taxpaying idiots usually come off worse. I mean, look what we work to pay for...drunk idiots who fight and end up in A&E abusing staff, housing handed on a plate, no council tax to pay (its ok we pick up the tab) and enough money to buy fags and booze plus other 'luxuries' we cant afford all because we pay tax...
Oh and in reply to the comment "dont worry they will come for you" - very very unlikely. If war was waged on taxpayers then who would fund the whimsical lifestyle of the lazy?????
you??? In that case good luck to them i say, and you better raise retirement age for yourself to at least 240...chop chop theres lots of louts needing your money.

pocketdragon wrote:

lmhjones wrote:

pocketdragon wrote: The only post on here i can see being of any common sense is bow1974. 1. People in the affected housing dont work - if you dont work you cant complain about something you arent paying for! Simple really, and if you dont have a house fit for the size of your family i.e too big of a house then all is fair to me, you need to move out. 2. People who are in the affected housing that DO work - maybe you should consider putting your money to good use i.e private renting. Thats assuming you dont get housing benefit. if you do then again why whinge? I dont buy why a disabled woman needs 3 bedrooms? i mean really? come on, one bedroom is enough - ever heard of a camp/blow up bed. Its not like she will be charging through her living room anytime soon otherwise i would consider it a trip hazard - obviously not the case. No one is telling anyone how many bedrooms to have, its a case of if you have 3 and only use 1 and are not contributing to society then move out and be grateful you even have a roof and benefits. Many folk who do graft are stuck in homes they have outgrown, bought out of their own money, paid for every month from the wages earned which have been taxed for the benefits of the cheeky slugs of society who are now complaining about what they have that they havent paid a bean towards!! The hardworking folk dont have a hells chance of upsizing because they cant get another mortgage because...wait for it...the government spend billions on giving handouts to the unwilling lazy child spewing bum wipes of the uk. And while im at it yes of course you have spent money on the house you live in - surely you dont want us to fix it aswell as pay for the **** thing? if anything breaks in a council house you just ring them and out they come "no charge to you mr tenant", we have to pay for that and all our own repairs. We just dont expect to have that as a leg to stand on in a ridiculous moan about having to pay for something you dont need. so what you slapped wallpaper on and ran a brush round - you didnt have to but it doesnt give you an argument to stay neither. I suggest if you havent got a valid argument then accept it and move out.i.e

pocket dragon people who are disabled and their carers cannot work. what do you suggest euthanasia? i am incensed by your downright spiteful comments the reality is that a full time family carer who lives in social housing saves the taxpayer (and the majority of carers gave up salaried work to care) billions a year. oh and the idea that a "council house" tenant phones up their landlord and says come fix a problem? which decade was that in please?

which decade? i wouldnt know since ive never felt the need to have the taxpayers pay for my lifestyle so maybe you could enlighten me. Ive owned my own home since i was 18...off my own back. And rightly as another post stated: disabled people do and can work - and i am aware there are genuinely unable (but not unwilling) people who need space which is denied because miss chav next door wants 2 kids and 4 'spare' bedrooms. Seems we live in a society where those who see benefits and freebies as a given right expect it all on a silver platter. As with everything government there are losers, us the hardworking taxpaying idiots usually come off worse. I mean, look what we work to pay for...drunk idiots who fight and end up in A&E abusing staff, housing handed on a plate, no council tax to pay (its ok we pick up the tab) and enough money to buy fags and booze plus other 'luxuries' we cant afford all because we pay tax... Oh and in reply to the comment "dont worry they will come for you" - very very unlikely. If war was waged on taxpayers then who would fund the whimsical lifestyle of the lazy????? you??? In that case good luck to them i say, and you better raise retirement age for yourself to at least 240...chop chop theres lots of louts needing your money.

Looks like your in for a rough ride dear, remember keep smiling wontcha when they come looting your 'home'. =)

16 year old girl and a 14 year old boy she has been on the waiting list for 3 years now for a 3 bed ;

so for all of these years she never bothered getting a job ?????

jibbsarefynny wrote:
16 year old girl and a 14 year old boy she has been on the waiting list for 3 years now for a 3 bed ;

so for all of these years she never bothered getting a job ?????

Actually she dose have a job pays rent council etc unlike the lazy scummy want money and housing for nothing brigade that have had it too easy for too long its time too wake up people get a job and a life.

Good call wrote:
The banksters are now openly looting bank accounts in europe, In Britian the state is taking from people who have nothing,people in Europe are pulling their money out of the banks en masse, Britain is heading for a triple dip recession,the American government is buying up ammunition like there is no tomorrow, food banks are opening up everywhere and you lot are going on about benefit scroungers,get a grip,it's divide and rule designed to distract you from the collapsing economic system.

Doom, doom, doom.

You could be a Labour campaign leaflet.

The Cypriot banking system is 30 times bigger than the country's GDP. Bit weird eh. Billions upon billions of laundered Russian money is why. But we in Britain, and the rest of the EU, should foot the bill for the these Russian oligarchs?

No other banking system is like Cyprus. No other banks are facing a levy accordingly.

Stop it with your silly scare stories therefore will you.

Where are the positive messages from Labour, rather than constant, depressing scare stories? What are Labour's positive ideas to make Britain work, apart from more silly, reckless, pointless spending, which our children and children's children have to pay for?

Labour's financial policy was to encourage the bankers. Labour's financial policy was to bring the country to it's knees with debt. Nothing has changed there as far as I can see.

Yes things are tough, but they are caused by the reckless policies of the last government. Ever increasing spending based on ever increasing debt could only lead one way..........crash! Now we have to live with the mess and feed off the scraps. Where is all the vast amount of money we made during the good times under Labour? Why did we end up with far more debt than before with them? How would things be any different under another Labour government?

Don't just blame the bankers. Blame the imbeciles who encouraged and copied them. Biggest of whom was Gordon Brown.

M Foster wrote:

Good call wrote:

M Foster wrote:
I don't suppose it has anything to do with solving the catastrophic housing problem we have in accommodating further influxes if high birthrate immigrants? The media is a joke when it features the rocketing UK birthrates and problems with maternity wards, hospitals, etc, when it always shows a picture/video of an average White indigenous family, even though theirs has plummeted over the past 50-60 years to about half (or less) than that of some other large ethnic groups

Same goes for nearly every other negative story, e.g, on country-wide criminal activity, just in order to hide the true picture. How long before they start making claims on private homes? I would not put anything past the treasonous LibLabCon party.

There is no low to which the global NWO crime syndicate will not stoop,they've started with the bank account in Cyprus, so it would not surprise me if they started taking under occupied private property under the guise of "solving the housing crisis" or some other propaganda.

Just like in Cyprus, they will be raiding our bank balances next - if you have one. Not content with taxing our hard earned money (income tax is a relatively new thing - for raising funds for the Napolionic Wars I think), then robbing us blind with a paltry interest rate (so more people can be ripped off by borrowing more cash), then taxing us on that small interest, then us loosing 5 - 10% due to inflation (caused by printing money which devalues the £) they will next dip their grabbing hands directly in our savings. That is why I am getting out of this fiaf currency and buying gold and silver (which is forecast to rocket) instead.

Crap eh!

You are looking at the detritus of Labour's financial policy there. Reckless spending based entirely on debt was financial Armageddon waiting to happen.

Incredibly, Labour's plan is to carry on where they left off should they get in again. That means quangos aplenty and our public sector awash with unsackable incompetents. And the hard working man on the street struggling to pay for these things he never asked for of course.

You don't seem to actually be aware of the facts of the Cyprus banking crisis incidentally, and why it is a very special case. I suggest you look up those facts.

pocketdragon wrote:

lmhjones wrote:

pocketdragon wrote:
The only post on here i can see being of any common sense is bow1974.
1. People in the affected housing dont work - if you dont work you cant complain about something you arent paying for! Simple really, and if you dont have a house fit for the size of your family i.e too big of a house then all is fair to me, you need to move out.
2. People who are in the affected housing that DO work - maybe you should consider putting your money to good use i.e private renting. Thats assuming you dont get housing benefit. if you do then again why whinge?

I dont buy why a disabled woman needs 3 bedrooms? i mean really? come on, one bedroom is enough - ever heard of a camp/blow up bed. Its not like she will be charging through her living room anytime soon otherwise i would consider it a trip hazard - obviously not the case.
No one is telling anyone how many bedrooms to have, its a case of if you have 3 and only use 1 and are not contributing to society then move out and be grateful you even have a roof and benefits.
Many folk who do graft are stuck in homes they have outgrown, bought out of their own money, paid for every month from the wages earned which have been taxed for the benefits of the cheeky slugs of society who are now complaining about what they have that they havent paid a bean towards!! The hardworking folk dont have a hells chance of upsizing because they cant get another mortgage because...wait for it...the government spend billions on giving handouts to the unwilling lazy child spewing bum wipes of the uk.
And while im at it yes of course you have spent money on the house you live in - surely you dont want us to fix it aswell as pay for the **** thing? if anything breaks in a council house you just ring them and out they come "no charge to you mr tenant", we have to pay for that and all our own repairs. We just dont expect to have that as a leg to stand on in a ridiculous moan about having to pay for something you dont need.
so what you slapped wallpaper on and ran a brush round - you didnt have to but it doesnt give you an argument to stay neither.
I suggest if you havent got a valid argument then accept it and move out.i.e

pocket dragon people who are disabled and their carers cannot work. what do you suggest euthanasia? i am incensed by your downright spiteful comments the reality is that a full time family carer who lives in social housing saves the taxpayer (and the majority of carers gave up salaried work to care) billions a year. oh and the idea that a "council house" tenant phones up their landlord and says come fix a problem? which decade was that in please?

which decade? i wouldnt know since ive never felt the need to have the taxpayers pay for my lifestyle so maybe you could enlighten me. Ive owned my own home since i was 18...off my own back.
And rightly as another post stated: disabled people do and can work - and i am aware there are genuinely unable (but not unwilling) people who need space which is denied because miss chav next door wants 2 kids and 4 'spare' bedrooms. Seems we live in a society where those who see benefits and freebies as a given right expect it all on a silver platter.
As with everything government there are losers, us the hardworking taxpaying idiots usually come off worse. I mean, look what we work to pay for...drunk idiots who fight and end up in A&E abusing staff, housing handed on a plate, no council tax to pay (its ok we pick up the tab) and enough money to buy fags and booze plus other 'luxuries' we cant afford all because we pay tax...
Oh and in reply to the comment "dont worry they will come for you" - very very unlikely. If war was waged on taxpayers then who would fund the whimsical lifestyle of the lazy?????
you??? In that case good luck to them i say, and you better raise retirement age for yourself to at least 240...chop chop theres lots of louts needing your money.

Lol - great response.

Some people fight tooth and nail for the terminally lazy, not caring a jot for the hard working, already struggling, man on the street who has to foot the bill. Decent tax payers who can only dream of the amazing benefits that seem reserved for the idle.

useyourhead wrote:
Private rental has been this way for ages, why should social housing tenants be any different?
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I agree it seems harsh at this stage and they are trying to 'fine tune' a bit by introducing exemptions but the real difference will be when people are looking to move in future, they will have to work out at that stage whether they can or want to pay for more room. people in private rented properties already have to consider this and so end up in more appropriate sized homes.

Where does it concern private rental,,do tell im sure im not alone wanting to know where you get your info.

Morag Crump wrote:

pocketdragon wrote:

lmhjones wrote:

pocketdragon wrote: The only post on here i can see being of any common sense is bow1974. 1. People in the affected housing dont work - if you dont work you cant complain about something you arent paying for! Simple really, and if you dont have a house fit for the size of your family i.e too big of a house then all is fair to me, you need to move out. 2. People who are in the affected housing that DO work - maybe you should consider putting your money to good use i.e private renting. Thats assuming you dont get housing benefit. if you do then again why whinge? I dont buy why a disabled woman needs 3 bedrooms? i mean really? come on, one bedroom is enough - ever heard of a camp/blow up bed. Its not like she will be charging through her living room anytime soon otherwise i would consider it a trip hazard - obviously not the case. No one is telling anyone how many bedrooms to have, its a case of if you have 3 and only use 1 and are not contributing to society then move out and be grateful you even have a roof and benefits. Many folk who do graft are stuck in homes they have outgrown, bought out of their own money, paid for every month from the wages earned which have been taxed for the benefits of the cheeky slugs of society who are now complaining about what they have that they havent paid a bean towards!! The hardworking folk dont have a hells chance of upsizing because they cant get another mortgage because...wait for it...the government spend billions on giving handouts to the unwilling lazy child spewing bum wipes of the uk. And while im at it yes of course you have spent money on the house you live in - surely you dont want us to fix it aswell as pay for the **** thing? if anything breaks in a council house you just ring them and out they come "no charge to you mr tenant", we have to pay for that and all our own repairs. We just dont expect to have that as a leg to stand on in a ridiculous moan about having to pay for something you dont need. so what you slapped wallpaper on and ran a brush round - you didnt have to but it doesnt give you an argument to stay neither. I suggest if you havent got a valid argument then accept it and move out.i.e

pocket dragon people who are disabled and their carers cannot work. what do you suggest euthanasia? i am incensed by your downright spiteful comments the reality is that a full time family carer who lives in social housing saves the taxpayer (and the majority of carers gave up salaried work to care) billions a year. oh and the idea that a "council house" tenant phones up their landlord and says come fix a problem? which decade was that in please?

which decade? i wouldnt know since ive never felt the need to have the taxpayers pay for my lifestyle so maybe you could enlighten me. Ive owned my own home since i was 18...off my own back. And rightly as another post stated: disabled people do and can work - and i am aware there are genuinely unable (but not unwilling) people who need space which is denied because miss chav next door wants 2 kids and 4 'spare' bedrooms. Seems we live in a society where those who see benefits and freebies as a given right expect it all on a silver platter. As with everything government there are losers, us the hardworking taxpaying idiots usually come off worse. I mean, look what we work to pay for...drunk idiots who fight and end up in A&E abusing staff, housing handed on a plate, no council tax to pay (its ok we pick up the tab) and enough money to buy fags and booze plus other 'luxuries' we cant afford all because we pay tax... Oh and in reply to the comment "dont worry they will come for you" - very very unlikely. If war was waged on taxpayers then who would fund the whimsical lifestyle of the lazy????? you??? In that case good luck to them i say, and you better raise retirement age for yourself to at least 240...chop chop theres lots of louts needing your money.

Looks like your in for a rough ride dear, remember keep smiling wontcha when they come looting your 'home'. =)

haha! really? i suppose it will give you some purpose in your life for all of half an hour....more if you dont go equipped.
and more over you might be able to convince yourself that looting and burglary are occupations worthy of a national recognized certificate! if you do manage it then be sure to put it in your Record of Achievement - gold standard of education!
You keep pandering and mothering the lazy and i will keep my opinion as it is...stop relying on taxpayers and get a job! for such a short word its amazing how many still dont know what it means!

Jack Herer wrote:

Good call wrote:
The banksters are now openly looting bank accounts in europe, In Britian the state is taking from people who have nothing,people in Europe are pulling their money out of the banks en masse, Britain is heading for a triple dip recession,the American government is buying up ammunition like there is no tomorrow, food banks are opening up everywhere and you lot are going on about benefit scroungers,get a grip,it's divide and rule designed to distract you from the collapsing economic system.

Doom, doom, doom.

You could be a Labour campaign leaflet.

The Cypriot banking system is 30 times bigger than the country's GDP. Bit weird eh. Billions upon billions of laundered Russian money is why. But we in Britain, and the rest of the EU, should foot the bill for the these Russian oligarchs?

No other banking system is like Cyprus. No other banks are facing a levy accordingly.

Stop it with your silly scare stories therefore will you.

Where are the positive messages from Labour, rather than constant, depressing scare stories? What are Labour's positive ideas to make Britain work, apart from more silly, reckless, pointless spending, which our children and children's children have to pay for?

Labour's financial policy was to encourage the bankers. Labour's financial policy was to bring the country to it's knees with debt. Nothing has changed there as far as I can see.

Yes things are tough, but they are caused by the reckless policies of the last government. Ever increasing spending based on ever increasing debt could only lead one way..........crash! Now we have to live with the mess and feed off the scraps. Where is all the vast amount of money we made during the good times under Labour? Why did we end up with far more debt than before with them? How would things be any different under another Labour government?

Don't just blame the bankers. Blame the imbeciles who encouraged and copied them. Biggest of whom was Gordon Brown.

Jack, my comments were not doom,they were fact.The problems that the world is facing are not because of Politicans, they are mere puppets of the corporate and banking elite.

Good call wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:

Good call wrote:
The banksters are now openly looting bank accounts in europe, In Britian the state is taking from people who have nothing,people in Europe are pulling their money out of the banks en masse, Britain is heading for a triple dip recession,the American government is buying up ammunition like there is no tomorrow, food banks are opening up everywhere and you lot are going on about benefit scroungers,get a grip,it's divide and rule designed to distract you from the collapsing economic system.

Doom, doom, doom.

You could be a Labour campaign leaflet.

The Cypriot banking system is 30 times bigger than the country's GDP. Bit weird eh. Billions upon billions of laundered Russian money is why. But we in Britain, and the rest of the EU, should foot the bill for the these Russian oligarchs?

No other banking system is like Cyprus. No other banks are facing a levy accordingly.

Stop it with your silly scare stories therefore will you.

Where are the positive messages from Labour, rather than constant, depressing scare stories? What are Labour's positive ideas to make Britain work, apart from more silly, reckless, pointless spending, which our children and children's children have to pay for?

Labour's financial policy was to encourage the bankers. Labour's financial policy was to bring the country to it's knees with debt. Nothing has changed there as far as I can see.

Yes things are tough, but they are caused by the reckless policies of the last government. Ever increasing spending based on ever increasing debt could only lead one way..........crash! Now we have to live with the mess and feed off the scraps. Where is all the vast amount of money we made during the good times under Labour? Why did we end up with far more debt than before with them? How would things be any different under another Labour government?

Don't just blame the bankers. Blame the imbeciles who encouraged and copied them. Biggest of whom was Gordon Brown.

Jack, my comments were not doom,they were fact.The problems that the world is facing are not because of Politicans, they are mere puppets of the corporate and banking elite.

Well said. Some people will never be told. Absolutely no difference between the present main 3 political parties on the important matters- a plague on all their houses.