Police move over Blackburn's increase in illegal arms

Blackburn Citizen: SO DEADLY PC Noctor with a knife police have confiscated SO DEADLY PC Noctor with a knife police have confiscated

A WEAPONS amnesty is being launched in Blackburn as concern grows about the number of people walking the streets armed with knives, knuckledusters and guns.

Police in Mill Hill said the amnesty was a way of giving residents a chance to get rid of offensive weapons without facing criminal consequences.

If the first amnesty in seven years works it will be extended across the town.

PC Leo Noctor, who is behind the campaign, said his key priority was keeping the people of Mill Hill safe while reducing the number of crimes involving a weapon.

He said: “A weapon can be anything from a knife, a knuckleduster or a pair of scissors found in the home.

“This whole campaign is about raising awareness around the dangers of carrying a weapon and the life changing effects of using a one.

In recent weeks, there has been several incidents involving weapons in the area.

- Firearms officers were called to Mill Hill after police received reports of a gun being waved around during a mass brawl.

The weapon was spotted as up to 13 men clashed on land near the Navigation pub in Canal Street on January 29.

- A cut throat razor was confiscated from a 16-year-old boy. Officers said the teen had been on his way to a fight in the town centre and he admitted carrying the potentially lethal weapon as protection.

- Last week, officers confiscated a four inch bladed knife from a man walking home from work in Mill Hill. He pulled it out to threaten another man after getting into a row in the street.

PC Noctor said: “There is an issue around some people carrying weapons in Mill Hill, but I must stress that it is a minority of people.

“This campaign is all about reducing the number of weapons making it on to the streets and raising awareness of the consequences of carrying a weapon.”

“I will be visiting local schools to talk about the issues of drugs, alcohol and weapons.

“I really want to use the shock factor to get the children thinking twice about carrying a knife.”

Home Office statistics released earlier this month showed violent crime was increasing across the county, despite overall crime falling.

From September 2011 to September 2012, violent crime increased by 1.2 per cent, from 21,006 reports to 21,257 – a rise of 251 crimes.

Funding is now being sought to purchase specialist bins that allow weapons to be deposited but prevent anything being taken out of the bins.

The bins are expected to be in place by the summer in Mill Hill Community Centre.

Anyone who deposits a weapon will be able to do so anonymously without the worry of facing criminal proceedings.

PC Noctor said: “The amnesty is open to anyone.

“I hope teenagers who may have a weapon will use it as well as older members of the community.

“I want people to think how they would feel if a member of their family was attacked with a weapon.

“By giving people the chance to hand in these items, we can help make the streets safer and prove that the police will not tolerate anyone being armed in public.”

The last time an amnesty was held in 2006, more than 1,525 weapons were handed in across Lancashire.

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11:34am Tue 5 Feb 13

iceman123 says...

what a joke
what a joke iceman123

11:56am Tue 5 Feb 13

BuckoTheMoose says...

Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government.
Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver.
The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999.
The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition.

Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK.

It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers.

The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.
Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government. Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver. The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999. The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition. Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK. It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers. The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves. BuckoTheMoose

2:23pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Blackburn fans love horses says...

Don't know about Blackburn folk having illegal arms, but most of them have an illegal finger on each hand.
Don't know about Blackburn folk having illegal arms, but most of them have an illegal finger on each hand. Blackburn fans love horses

4:19pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Two Hats says...

KNIFE crime in England and Wales has leapt by as much as 90% in two years in some areas, according to new police data
In fact, the most common weapon used in a violent crime in England and Wales is not a gun - but a knife.

A TERRIFYING knife crime now takes place on the streets of Britain every EIGHT MINUTES
One in five MUGGERS now threatens victims with knives.
Street ROBBERIES in which a knife was used soared from 25,500 in 2005 to 64,000 in the year to April 2007.

On average a shocking 175 people are robbed at knifepoint every day up from 110 last year and 69 two years ago.

Areas with the biggest rises include Devon and Cornwall, Lincolnshire and Bedfordshire - all of which also saw steep increases in overall violence. The highest rise in knife crime was recorded by Nottinghamshire police. There, offences involving blades went up from 338 in 2002 to 650 last year - a rise of 92%. Last year there were 223 muggings using knives in the county a rise of 43% since 2002.

In Nottinghamshire the force said some criminals may be choosing knives rather than guns because of higher mandatory sentences for possession of firearms. Gun crime in the county has fallen by 30% in the past year.

At present, carrying a knife with a blade longer than 3in can lead to a four-year prison term or a fine. This contrasts with illegal possession of firearms, which carries a jail term of 5-10 years.
KNIFE crime in England and Wales has leapt by as much as 90% in two years in some areas, according to new police data In fact, the most common weapon used in a violent crime in England and Wales is not a gun - but a knife. A TERRIFYING knife crime now takes place on the streets of Britain every EIGHT MINUTES One in five MUGGERS now threatens victims with knives. Street ROBBERIES in which a knife was used soared from 25,500 in 2005 to 64,000 in the year to April 2007. On average a shocking 175 people are robbed at knifepoint every day up from 110 last year and 69 two years ago. Areas with the biggest rises include Devon and Cornwall, Lincolnshire and Bedfordshire - all of which also saw steep increases in overall violence. The highest rise in knife crime was recorded by Nottinghamshire police. There, offences involving blades went up from 338 in 2002 to 650 last year - a rise of 92%. Last year there were 223 muggings using knives in the county a rise of 43% since 2002. In Nottinghamshire the force said some criminals may be choosing knives rather than guns because of higher mandatory sentences for possession of firearms. Gun crime in the county has fallen by 30% in the past year. At present, carrying a knife with a blade longer than 3in can lead to a four-year prison term or a fine. This contrasts with illegal possession of firearms, which carries a jail term of 5-10 years. Two Hats

6:16pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Good call says...

BuckoTheMoose wrote:
Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government.
Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver.
The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999.
The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition.

Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK.

It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers.

The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.
Wise words my friend, we definatly need to repeal the handgun ban and implement concealed carry laws. As the saying goes "when seconds count, the police are minutes away".
[quote][p][bold]BuckoTheMoose[/bold] wrote: Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government. Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver. The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999. The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition. Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK. It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers. The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.[/p][/quote]Wise words my friend, we definatly need to repeal the handgun ban and implement concealed carry laws. As the saying goes "when seconds count, the police are minutes away". Good call

6:27pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Chris P Bacon says...

BuckoTheMoose wrote:
Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government.
Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver.
The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999.
The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition.

Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK.

It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers.

The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.
That's beyond ridiculous. If you are seriously suggesting we actually consider putting weapons out on the street, that would be the time for the sane to bail out and emigrate.

The law on guns should be even simpler than it is; anyone should indeed be able to apply for one UNTIL they say they want one. Then, they automatically render themselves incapable of being trusted to have one.

And if the criminals are aware that anyone can carry a non-lethal weapon, you can be certain this will rack up the ante and the crims will carry worse weapons to counter the ones they know they'll have to face.
[quote][p][bold]BuckoTheMoose[/bold] wrote: Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government. Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver. The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999. The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition. Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK. It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers. The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.[/p][/quote]That's beyond ridiculous. If you are seriously suggesting we actually consider putting weapons out on the street, that would be the time for the sane to bail out and emigrate. The law on guns should be even simpler than it is; anyone should indeed be able to apply for one UNTIL they say they want one. Then, they automatically render themselves incapable of being trusted to have one. And if the criminals are aware that anyone can carry a non-lethal weapon, you can be certain this will rack up the ante and the crims will carry worse weapons to counter the ones they know they'll have to face. Chris P Bacon

6:31pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Scooby says...

Good call wrote:
BuckoTheMoose wrote:
Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government.
Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver.
The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999.
The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition.

Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK.

It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers.

The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.
Wise words my friend, we definatly need to repeal the handgun ban and implement concealed carry laws. As the saying goes "when seconds count, the police are minutes away".
And how many gun related deaths have we had in our schools in the past 10 years? Compared to America where guns are freely available?

Keep weapon rules as they are, for the most part they work.

As for the comment about the screwdriver attack, screwdrivers aren't banned. Can you imagine the outcome had the attacker had access to a gun?
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BuckoTheMoose[/bold] wrote: Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government. Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver. The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999. The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition. Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK. It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers. The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.[/p][/quote]Wise words my friend, we definatly need to repeal the handgun ban and implement concealed carry laws. As the saying goes "when seconds count, the police are minutes away".[/p][/quote]And how many gun related deaths have we had in our schools in the past 10 years? Compared to America where guns are freely available? Keep weapon rules as they are, for the most part they work. As for the comment about the screwdriver attack, screwdrivers aren't banned. Can you imagine the outcome had the attacker had access to a gun? Scooby

6:52pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Chris P Bacon says...

Scooby wrote:
Good call wrote:
BuckoTheMoose wrote:
Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government.
Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver.
The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999.
The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition.

Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK.

It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers.

The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.
Wise words my friend, we definatly need to repeal the handgun ban and implement concealed carry laws. As the saying goes "when seconds count, the police are minutes away".
And how many gun related deaths have we had in our schools in the past 10 years? Compared to America where guns are freely available?

Keep weapon rules as they are, for the most part they work.

As for the comment about the screwdriver attack, screwdrivers aren't banned. Can you imagine the outcome had the attacker had access to a gun?
The last year for which we have figures; deaths by shootings in the United States 13,000
Deaths by shootings in the United Kingdom 53

13,000 V 53. Where would you rather live?

You can be pretty sure your children will come home from school every evening in the UK while in the US they have to go through metal detectors to get in to schools to reduce the chances of their children coming home in coffins.
[quote][p][bold]Scooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BuckoTheMoose[/bold] wrote: Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government. Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver. The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999. The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition. Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK. It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers. The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.[/p][/quote]Wise words my friend, we definatly need to repeal the handgun ban and implement concealed carry laws. As the saying goes "when seconds count, the police are minutes away".[/p][/quote]And how many gun related deaths have we had in our schools in the past 10 years? Compared to America where guns are freely available? Keep weapon rules as they are, for the most part they work. As for the comment about the screwdriver attack, screwdrivers aren't banned. Can you imagine the outcome had the attacker had access to a gun?[/p][/quote]The last year for which we have figures; deaths by shootings in the United States 13,000 Deaths by shootings in the United Kingdom 53 13,000 V 53. Where would you rather live? You can be pretty sure your children will come home from school every evening in the UK while in the US they have to go through metal detectors to get in to schools to reduce the chances of their children coming home in coffins. Chris P Bacon

8:44pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Good call says...

1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc).
2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs.
3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo.
4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned.
5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us.
1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc). 2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs. 3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo. 4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned. 5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us. Good call

9:02pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Chris P Bacon says...

Good call wrote:
1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc).
2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs.
3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo.
4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned.
5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us.
1. No, find your own you lazy get.
2. I don't subscribe to US news sites so no, have you?
3. No, and I don't believe it.
4. And?
5. What 'people' are you referring to? How is 'people' to be defined? Who's going to decide who qualifies as 'people' and who is to police that?

The more weapons of any sort out there, the more likely they are to end up in the hands of a set of social problems. We need far FEWER weapons of every sort, not more and especially not more of the batons, tasers or 'self-defence' sprays you mention. I think what you mean is that YOU would like to arm yourself with them but I reckon all the 'baddies' would feel the exact same way.
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: 1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc). 2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs. 3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo. 4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned. 5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us.[/p][/quote]1. No, find your own you lazy get. 2. I don't subscribe to US news sites so no, have you? 3. No, and I don't believe it. 4. And? 5. What 'people' are you referring to? How is 'people' to be defined? Who's going to decide who qualifies as 'people' and who is to police that? The more weapons of any sort out there, the more likely they are to end up in the hands of a set of social problems. We need far FEWER weapons of every sort, not more and especially not more of the batons, tasers or 'self-defence' sprays you mention. I think what you mean is that YOU would like to arm yourself with them but I reckon all the 'baddies' would feel the exact same way. Chris P Bacon

9:09pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Miguel12 says...

Just moved here from South Africa where everyone has a gun, legal or not, slept with mine under my pillow, scarey stuff!
Believe me guns are bad news, I came back to civilisation to get away from them. Anyone who thinks we should be armed is insane, the bad guys always have a bigger stick, a bigger knife or a bigger gun and unlike the average joe they know how to use them. Believe me when you wake at 2.00am by hearing a burglar by the time you've cleared the sleep from your eyes, found your gun taken off the safety and pointed it at some blurred outline you're dead or their gone, I've shot at a few and missed every time. Guns are bad news.
Just moved here from South Africa where everyone has a gun, legal or not, slept with mine under my pillow, scarey stuff! Believe me guns are bad news, I came back to civilisation to get away from them. Anyone who thinks we should be armed is insane, the bad guys always have a bigger stick, a bigger knife or a bigger gun and unlike the average joe they know how to use them. Believe me when you wake at 2.00am by hearing a burglar by the time you've cleared the sleep from your eyes, found your gun taken off the safety and pointed it at some blurred outline you're dead or their gone, I've shot at a few and missed every time. Guns are bad news. Miguel12

9:24pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Good call says...

Chris P Bacon wrote:
Good call wrote:
1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc).
2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs.
3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo.
4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned.
5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us.
1. No, find your own you lazy get.
2. I don't subscribe to US news sites so no, have you?
3. No, and I don't believe it.
4. And?
5. What 'people' are you referring to? How is 'people' to be defined? Who's going to decide who qualifies as 'people' and who is to police that?

The more weapons of any sort out there, the more likely they are to end up in the hands of a set of social problems. We need far FEWER weapons of every sort, not more and especially not more of the batons, tasers or 'self-defence' sprays you mention. I think what you mean is that YOU would like to arm yourself with them but I reckon all the 'baddies' would feel the exact same way.
But the criminals can already get hold of tasers and other weapons which are banned.Your replies to my questions show that you don't have a clue about firearms ownership in the USA.And a statistic for you
"From September 2011 to September 2012, violent crime increased by 1.2 per cent, from 21,006 reports to 21,257 – a rise of 251 crimes"
[quote][p][bold]Chris P Bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: 1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc). 2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs. 3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo. 4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned. 5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us.[/p][/quote]1. No, find your own you lazy get. 2. I don't subscribe to US news sites so no, have you? 3. No, and I don't believe it. 4. And? 5. What 'people' are you referring to? How is 'people' to be defined? Who's going to decide who qualifies as 'people' and who is to police that? The more weapons of any sort out there, the more likely they are to end up in the hands of a set of social problems. We need far FEWER weapons of every sort, not more and especially not more of the batons, tasers or 'self-defence' sprays you mention. I think what you mean is that YOU would like to arm yourself with them but I reckon all the 'baddies' would feel the exact same way.[/p][/quote]But the criminals can already get hold of tasers and other weapons which are banned.Your replies to my questions show that you don't have a clue about firearms ownership in the USA.And a statistic for you "From September 2011 to September 2012, violent crime increased by 1.2 per cent, from 21,006 reports to 21,257 – a rise of 251 crimes" Good call

10:25pm Tue 5 Feb 13

buckoff says...

The Police are just after a bit of scrap metal to weigh in!!
The Police are just after a bit of scrap metal to weigh in!! buckoff

8:12am Wed 6 Feb 13

Burnley fans love schoolboys says...

Blackburn fans love horses wrote:
Don't know about Blackburn folk having illegal arms, but most of them have an illegal finger on each hand.
Do you like my user name Bubba?

Of course, I don't think that because the report of one Burnleys resident's penchant for adolescent boys means that ALL you Dingles enjoy that kind of thing.

It's only half wits from a shallow gene pool that would label thousands of people as having an unhealthy equine interest on the basis of the weird acts of a sad, confused, senile old man.

But you lot up in't hills are a bit daft aren't you?
[quote][p][bold]Blackburn fans love horses[/bold] wrote: Don't know about Blackburn folk having illegal arms, but most of them have an illegal finger on each hand.[/p][/quote]Do you like my user name Bubba? Of course, I don't think that because the report of one Burnleys resident's penchant for adolescent boys means that ALL you Dingles enjoy that kind of thing. It's only half wits from a shallow gene pool that would label thousands of people as having an unhealthy equine interest on the basis of the weird acts of a sad, confused, senile old man. But you lot up in't hills are a bit daft aren't you? Burnley fans love schoolboys

6:58pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Chris P Bacon says...

Good call wrote:
Chris P Bacon wrote:
Good call wrote:
1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc).
2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs.
3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo.
4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned.
5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us.
1. No, find your own you lazy get.
2. I don't subscribe to US news sites so no, have you?
3. No, and I don't believe it.
4. And?
5. What 'people' are you referring to? How is 'people' to be defined? Who's going to decide who qualifies as 'people' and who is to police that?

The more weapons of any sort out there, the more likely they are to end up in the hands of a set of social problems. We need far FEWER weapons of every sort, not more and especially not more of the batons, tasers or 'self-defence' sprays you mention. I think what you mean is that YOU would like to arm yourself with them but I reckon all the 'baddies' would feel the exact same way.
But the criminals can already get hold of tasers and other weapons which are banned.Your replies to my questions show that you don't have a clue about firearms ownership in the USA.And a statistic for you
"From September 2011 to September 2012, violent crime increased by 1.2 per cent, from 21,006 reports to 21,257 – a rise of 251 crimes"
That's a meaningless 'statistic' since you don't clarify what it relates to. Is it the UK, the USA, Lesotho, Tanzania, Cuba, what?

And why on earth should I give a ****-stained Donald Duck about the 'firearms ownership in the USA'? As long as the killing sticks are kept out of the hands of the problems who want them in this country, that's all that matters to me.
[quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris P Bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: 1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc). 2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs. 3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo. 4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned. 5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us.[/p][/quote]1. No, find your own you lazy get. 2. I don't subscribe to US news sites so no, have you? 3. No, and I don't believe it. 4. And? 5. What 'people' are you referring to? How is 'people' to be defined? Who's going to decide who qualifies as 'people' and who is to police that? The more weapons of any sort out there, the more likely they are to end up in the hands of a set of social problems. We need far FEWER weapons of every sort, not more and especially not more of the batons, tasers or 'self-defence' sprays you mention. I think what you mean is that YOU would like to arm yourself with them but I reckon all the 'baddies' would feel the exact same way.[/p][/quote]But the criminals can already get hold of tasers and other weapons which are banned.Your replies to my questions show that you don't have a clue about firearms ownership in the USA.And a statistic for you "From September 2011 to September 2012, violent crime increased by 1.2 per cent, from 21,006 reports to 21,257 – a rise of 251 crimes"[/p][/quote]That's a meaningless 'statistic' since you don't clarify what it relates to. Is it the UK, the USA, Lesotho, Tanzania, Cuba, what? And why on earth should I give a ****-stained Donald Duck about the 'firearms ownership in the USA'? As long as the killing sticks are kept out of the hands of the problems who want them in this country, that's all that matters to me. Chris P Bacon

10:58pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Good call says...

Chris P Bacon wrote:
Good call wrote:
Chris P Bacon wrote:
Good call wrote:
1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc).
2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs.
3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo.
4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned.
5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us.
1. No, find your own you lazy get.
2. I don't subscribe to US news sites so no, have you?
3. No, and I don't believe it.
4. And?
5. What 'people' are you referring to? How is 'people' to be defined? Who's going to decide who qualifies as 'people' and who is to police that?

The more weapons of any sort out there, the more likely they are to end up in the hands of a set of social problems. We need far FEWER weapons of every sort, not more and especially not more of the batons, tasers or 'self-defence' sprays you mention. I think what you mean is that YOU would like to arm yourself with them but I reckon all the 'baddies' would feel the exact same way.
But the criminals can already get hold of tasers and other weapons which are banned.Your replies to my questions show that you don't have a clue about firearms ownership in the USA.And a statistic for you
"From September 2011 to September 2012, violent crime increased by 1.2 per cent, from 21,006 reports to 21,257 – a rise of 251 crimes"
That's a meaningless 'statistic' since you don't clarify what it relates to. Is it the UK, the USA, Lesotho, Tanzania, Cuba, what?

And why on earth should I give a ****-stained Donald Duck about the 'firearms ownership in the USA'? As long as the killing sticks are kept out of the hands of the problems who want them in this country, that's all that matters to me.
That statistic was for the good old United Kingdom.I
[quote][p][bold]Chris P Bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris P Bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: 1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc). 2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs. 3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo. 4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned. 5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us.[/p][/quote]1. No, find your own you lazy get. 2. I don't subscribe to US news sites so no, have you? 3. No, and I don't believe it. 4. And? 5. What 'people' are you referring to? How is 'people' to be defined? Who's going to decide who qualifies as 'people' and who is to police that? The more weapons of any sort out there, the more likely they are to end up in the hands of a set of social problems. We need far FEWER weapons of every sort, not more and especially not more of the batons, tasers or 'self-defence' sprays you mention. I think what you mean is that YOU would like to arm yourself with them but I reckon all the 'baddies' would feel the exact same way.[/p][/quote]But the criminals can already get hold of tasers and other weapons which are banned.Your replies to my questions show that you don't have a clue about firearms ownership in the USA.And a statistic for you "From September 2011 to September 2012, violent crime increased by 1.2 per cent, from 21,006 reports to 21,257 – a rise of 251 crimes"[/p][/quote]That's a meaningless 'statistic' since you don't clarify what it relates to. Is it the UK, the USA, Lesotho, Tanzania, Cuba, what? And why on earth should I give a ****-stained Donald Duck about the 'firearms ownership in the USA'? As long as the killing sticks are kept out of the hands of the problems who want them in this country, that's all that matters to me.[/p][/quote]That statistic was for the good old United Kingdom.I Good call

11:02pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Good call says...

Chris P Bacon wrote:
Good call wrote:
Chris P Bacon wrote:
Good call wrote:
1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc).
2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs.
3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo.
4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned.
5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us.
1. No, find your own you lazy get.
2. I don't subscribe to US news sites so no, have you?
3. No, and I don't believe it.
4. And?
5. What 'people' are you referring to? How is 'people' to be defined? Who's going to decide who qualifies as 'people' and who is to police that?

The more weapons of any sort out there, the more likely they are to end up in the hands of a set of social problems. We need far FEWER weapons of every sort, not more and especially not more of the batons, tasers or 'self-defence' sprays you mention. I think what you mean is that YOU would like to arm yourself with them but I reckon all the 'baddies' would feel the exact same way.
But the criminals can already get hold of tasers and other weapons which are banned.Your replies to my questions show that you don't have a clue about firearms ownership in the USA.And a statistic for you
"From September 2011 to September 2012, violent crime increased by 1.2 per cent, from 21,006 reports to 21,257 – a rise of 251 crimes"
That's a meaningless 'statistic' since you don't clarify what it relates to. Is it the UK, the USA, Lesotho, Tanzania, Cuba, what?

And why on earth should I give a ****-stained Donald Duck about the 'firearms ownership in the USA'? As long as the killing sticks are kept out of the hands of the problems who want them in this country, that's all that matters to me.
That statistic was for the good old United Kingdom which has the WORST laws on self defence in the world.
Do you believe that it is ok for the government to be protected by armed police whilst they deny the public their rights to posess a baton or a self defence spray.Should we just rely on the "authorities" to protect us.
[quote][p][bold]Chris P Bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris P Bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: 1.Please will you provide a breakdown of the circumstances of those deaths (gangs,suicides etc). 2. Have you read the numerous articles about people shooting burglars, armed robbers and other thugs. 3.Do you know that the US Homeland Security has been buying huge amounts of ammo. 4.Do you know that most, if not all of the mass shootings in America have taken place in "gun free zones", where concealed carry is banned. 5. Do you think that people should be allowed to posess non-lethal weapons for self defence (batons, tasers, self defence sprays) or should we just rely on the police to protect us.[/p][/quote]1. No, find your own you lazy get. 2. I don't subscribe to US news sites so no, have you? 3. No, and I don't believe it. 4. And? 5. What 'people' are you referring to? How is 'people' to be defined? Who's going to decide who qualifies as 'people' and who is to police that? The more weapons of any sort out there, the more likely they are to end up in the hands of a set of social problems. We need far FEWER weapons of every sort, not more and especially not more of the batons, tasers or 'self-defence' sprays you mention. I think what you mean is that YOU would like to arm yourself with them but I reckon all the 'baddies' would feel the exact same way.[/p][/quote]But the criminals can already get hold of tasers and other weapons which are banned.Your replies to my questions show that you don't have a clue about firearms ownership in the USA.And a statistic for you "From September 2011 to September 2012, violent crime increased by 1.2 per cent, from 21,006 reports to 21,257 – a rise of 251 crimes"[/p][/quote]That's a meaningless 'statistic' since you don't clarify what it relates to. Is it the UK, the USA, Lesotho, Tanzania, Cuba, what? And why on earth should I give a ****-stained Donald Duck about the 'firearms ownership in the USA'? As long as the killing sticks are kept out of the hands of the problems who want them in this country, that's all that matters to me.[/p][/quote]That statistic was for the good old United Kingdom which has the WORST laws on self defence in the world. Do you believe that it is ok for the government to be protected by armed police whilst they deny the public their rights to posess a baton or a self defence spray.Should we just rely on the "authorities" to protect us. Good call

1:59pm Thu 7 Feb 13

BuckoTheMoose says...

I see there are some people who are terrified of guns in the hands of the law abiding.

Some of you seem to think that criminals will always have bigger weapons. - A handgun is a great equalizer. I would much rather be able to defend myself than be a victim. Criminals do not target armed citizens as a rule, they target the weak. If criminals thought their intended target may be armed, they are likely to change their mind.

Some of you think that because America has more gun deaths, guns must equal violence. Don't forget the population of USA is 310 million compared to our 60 million. Also, look at the bigger picture; violent crime as a whole. We have less gun deaths because there are less guns. But we have a lot more violent crime overall than american states with concealed carry laws. The figures show that where concealed carry exists, violent crime is lower than where the people are disarmed.

I'm not necessarily asking for a repeal of all gun laws overnight, but I am asking for something. Some way of being able to defend ourselves. Surely that's everybodys right, yet our government have taken ours away.

I've done a lot of research into armed / disarmed populations and how crime is affected by gun laws. Across the board, populations who are armed suffer less crime. Surely that is a good thing.

To those of you who are scared of inanimate objects, carry on being a victim. I want my right to armed self defence back.
I see there are some people who are terrified of guns in the hands of the law abiding. Some of you seem to think that criminals will always have bigger weapons. - A handgun is a great equalizer. I would much rather be able to defend myself than be a victim. Criminals do not target armed citizens as a rule, they target the weak. If criminals thought their intended target may be armed, they are likely to change their mind. Some of you think that because America has more gun deaths, guns must equal violence. Don't forget the population of USA is 310 million compared to our 60 million. Also, look at the bigger picture; violent crime as a whole. We have less gun deaths because there are less guns. But we have a lot more violent crime overall than american states with concealed carry laws. The figures show that where concealed carry exists, violent crime is lower than where the people are disarmed. I'm not necessarily asking for a repeal of all gun laws overnight, but I am asking for something. Some way of being able to defend ourselves. Surely that's everybodys right, yet our government have taken ours away. I've done a lot of research into armed / disarmed populations and how crime is affected by gun laws. Across the board, populations who are armed suffer less crime. Surely that is a good thing. To those of you who are scared of inanimate objects, carry on being a victim. I want my right to armed self defence back. BuckoTheMoose

2:01pm Thu 7 Feb 13

BuckoTheMoose says...

Scooby wrote:
Good call wrote:
BuckoTheMoose wrote:
Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government.
Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver.
The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999.
The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition.

Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK.

It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers.

The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.
Wise words my friend, we definatly need to repeal the handgun ban and implement concealed carry laws. As the saying goes "when seconds count, the police are minutes away".
And how many gun related deaths have we had in our schools in the past 10 years? Compared to America where guns are freely available?

Keep weapon rules as they are, for the most part they work.

As for the comment about the screwdriver attack, screwdrivers aren't banned. Can you imagine the outcome had the attacker had access to a gun?
Scooby - Can you imagine the outcome if the VICTIM has access to a gun? That's what I'm talking about.
[quote][p][bold]Scooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BuckoTheMoose[/bold] wrote: Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government. Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver. The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999. The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition. Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK. It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers. The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.[/p][/quote]Wise words my friend, we definatly need to repeal the handgun ban and implement concealed carry laws. As the saying goes "when seconds count, the police are minutes away".[/p][/quote]And how many gun related deaths have we had in our schools in the past 10 years? Compared to America where guns are freely available? Keep weapon rules as they are, for the most part they work. As for the comment about the screwdriver attack, screwdrivers aren't banned. Can you imagine the outcome had the attacker had access to a gun?[/p][/quote]Scooby - Can you imagine the outcome if the VICTIM has access to a gun? That's what I'm talking about. BuckoTheMoose

2:03pm Thu 7 Feb 13

BuckoTheMoose says...

Chris P Bacon wrote:
Scooby wrote:
Good call wrote:
BuckoTheMoose wrote:
Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government.
Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver.
The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999.
The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition.

Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK.

It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers.

The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.
Wise words my friend, we definatly need to repeal the handgun ban and implement concealed carry laws. As the saying goes "when seconds count, the police are minutes away".
And how many gun related deaths have we had in our schools in the past 10 years? Compared to America where guns are freely available?

Keep weapon rules as they are, for the most part they work.

As for the comment about the screwdriver attack, screwdrivers aren't banned. Can you imagine the outcome had the attacker had access to a gun?
The last year for which we have figures; deaths by shootings in the United States 13,000
Deaths by shootings in the United Kingdom 53

13,000 V 53. Where would you rather live?

You can be pretty sure your children will come home from school every evening in the UK while in the US they have to go through metal detectors to get in to schools to reduce the chances of their children coming home in coffins.
13,000 V 53. Where would you rather live?

USA. I've explained above why they have higher gun deaths. I've also explained how an armed population suffers less crime.
[quote][p][bold]Chris P Bacon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scooby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Good call[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BuckoTheMoose[/bold] wrote: Violent crime is increasing because every law abiding citizen has been disarmed by their government. Now a mugger can chase a victim into a petrol station and repeatedly stab them with nothing more than a screwdriver. The law abiding are not even allowed to carry a pepper spray for defence. We can't rely on the police to help us; no mugger is going to wait while we dial 999. The situation has become silly. Criminals know we are disarmed and know they will face no opposition. Guns are a very contentious issue, but American states with concealed carry laws have much lower violent crime rates that we do in the UK. It's about time the British citizen was again allowed to defend themselves effectively. It's about time we looked again at gun control in England and at least took steps to allow people to carry non lethal defensive weapons such as pepper sprays or tazers. The police and government can't help us, they should at least allow us to help ourselves.[/p][/quote]Wise words my friend, we definatly need to repeal the handgun ban and implement concealed carry laws. As the saying goes "when seconds count, the police are minutes away".[/p][/quote]And how many gun related deaths have we had in our schools in the past 10 years? Compared to America where guns are freely available? Keep weapon rules as they are, for the most part they work. As for the comment about the screwdriver attack, screwdrivers aren't banned. Can you imagine the outcome had the attacker had access to a gun?[/p][/quote]The last year for which we have figures; deaths by shootings in the United States 13,000 Deaths by shootings in the United Kingdom 53 13,000 V 53. Where would you rather live? You can be pretty sure your children will come home from school every evening in the UK while in the US they have to go through metal detectors to get in to schools to reduce the chances of their children coming home in coffins.[/p][/quote]13,000 V 53. Where would you rather live? USA. I've explained above why they have higher gun deaths. I've also explained how an armed population suffers less crime. BuckoTheMoose

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