Blackburn woman's breast cancer battle leads to Halal cosmetics business

Blackburn Citizen: Salma Choudry has launched a new halal cosmetics business Salma Choudry has launched a new halal cosmetics business

WHEN business adviser Salma Chaudry was diagnosed with breast cancer four years ago, little did she think it would give her the idea to start a new career as her own boss.

When she got over the shock, she started investigating the ingredients of the cosmetics she used on her face and body, and was alarmed to find what was in them.

As a Muslim, the 45-year-old mother of four was worried to find that many contained animal products, with no sign of whether they met Islamic law, or alcohol, forbidden in the Koran.

Now fully recovered, Salma has turned her experience to good use and set up her own company, with an initial range of nine cosmetics – all ethical and Halal accredited.

She has been helped to start up by the Pennine LEAP programme, run by Renegerate Pennine Lancashire, which helps entrepreneurs.

With a manufacturer in York providing the hand and body washes and lotions, face creams and moisturisers, Salma is poised to launch her beauty products globally.

Salma, from Blackburn, has been testing her range of beauty products locally, and will be launching them nationwide in the spring, and exhibiting in the Middle East.

She said: “In 2009 I was diagnosed with breast cancer and started taking an interest in the ingredients of the beauty products I used, as well as what I was eating.

“I learned many contained alcohol and non-Halal animal products, forbidden in Islam.

“I then thought of making my own, which don’t use animal products, or alcohol, as well as not having undergone animal testing.

“They are Halal products suitable for Muslims, but also totally ethical and suitable for many vegetarians, those who abstain from alcohol, or are just concerned about what goes in their beauty products.

“As well as meeting the religious needs of Muslims, they are ideal for other people with ethical concerns, and it has turned into a rapidly- growing international business project.

“I am now looking at opportunities not just in Britain and the Middle East, but Pakistan and the Indian sub-continent, across Europe and the United States.”

Salma got free coaching support from Pennine LEAP, which offers support to anyone in East Lancashire wanting to start a new business.

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1:37pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Elsie C says...

Nice one, well done. I'm so glad you are healthy again, best wishes for the future.
Nice one, well done. I'm so glad you are healthy again, best wishes for the future. Elsie C
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3:40pm Mon 14 Jan 13

roversjeff says...

Glad you are fully recovered from your illness, good luck with your business.
Glad you are fully recovered from your illness, good luck with your business. roversjeff
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4:25pm Mon 14 Jan 13

LittleMissKc says...

Good luck, I think you'll do really well x
Good luck, I think you'll do really well x LittleMissKc
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6:22pm Mon 14 Jan 13

sen c ble says...

The best of luck to your health and wish you every success in your business career.

Sen.
The best of luck to your health and wish you every success in your business career. Sen. sen c ble
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6:53pm Mon 14 Jan 13

sen c ble says...

jellybiff wrote:
As a Muslim, the 45-year-old mother of four was worried to find that many contained animal products, with no sign of whether they met Islamic law, or alcohol, forbidden in the Koran.
what a bizarre people and religion .
What's bizarre about people who are simply curious about what they eat and drink, and concerned of the contents in beauty products that they apply?

You've got a choice. Nobody's ramming it down your throat, are there? I mean you could be the direct descendant of the Tudor's, who use to apply urine on their hair as a dye. It was also common for Tudor doctors to diagnose illness in a sailor by examining the look, smell and even taste the urine.
By all means continue and let's not forget, you are what you eat!
[quote][p][bold]jellybiff[/bold] wrote: As a Muslim, the 45-year-old mother of four was worried to find that many contained animal products, with no sign of whether they met Islamic law, or alcohol, forbidden in the Koran. what a bizarre people and religion .[/p][/quote]What's bizarre about people who are simply curious about what they eat and drink, and concerned of the contents in beauty products that they apply? You've got a choice. Nobody's ramming it down your throat, are there? I mean you could be the direct descendant of the Tudor's, who use to apply urine on their hair as a dye. It was also common for Tudor doctors to diagnose illness in a sailor by examining the look, smell and even taste the urine. By all means continue and let's not forget, you are what you eat! sen c ble
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8:26pm Mon 14 Jan 13

N4you! says...

sen c ble wrote:
jellybiff wrote:
As a Muslim, the 45-year-old mother of four was worried to find that many contained animal products, with no sign of whether they met Islamic law, or alcohol, forbidden in the Koran.
what a bizarre people and religion .
What's bizarre about people who are simply curious about what they eat and drink, and concerned of the contents in beauty products that they apply?

You've got a choice. Nobody's ramming it down your throat, are there? I mean you could be the direct descendant of the Tudor's, who use to apply urine on their hair as a dye. It was also common for Tudor doctors to diagnose illness in a sailor by examining the look, smell and even taste the urine.
By all means continue and let's not forget, you are what you eat!
Pure Sustenance (Rizq) - "You are what you eat!"

Food and other items from which living things have the power and ability to gain benefit is called RIZQ. Halal (legal) is that which the Shariah has allowed. Pure sustenance is that upon which the heart is is content. Food plays a vital role in the actions and traits of a human. Just as the quality of the fruit is dependent on the seed which it has grown from, similarly the quality of our actions and behaviour is dependent on the food we eat. Thus, food which has not been authorised to be Halal by the sacred Islamic Law leads to the destruction of both the human body and its soul and hence ill characteristics such as immodesty, cowardliness, hard-heartedness and other diseases of the heart all become transparent. Acts such as adultery, theft, gambling and usury are carried out by different parts of the body as a result of food consumed which is Haram (illegal).

Halal Food creates modesty, bravery, tenderness of the heart and humbleness. Good actions are therefore executed by the different parts of the body. Halal food allows a person to obey the commands of Allah and instead of becoming lazy, he becomes active and steadfast in the worship of Allah. To sow seeds of barley and expect wheat to grow is stupidity, in the same way, to eat haram food and to expect beautiful characteristics is certainly not the thinking of a sane person. Because good deeds are a result of eating food that has been made permissible by Islam, hence food is like a seed for a human.
[quote][p][bold]sen c ble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jellybiff[/bold] wrote: As a Muslim, the 45-year-old mother of four was worried to find that many contained animal products, with no sign of whether they met Islamic law, or alcohol, forbidden in the Koran. what a bizarre people and religion .[/p][/quote]What's bizarre about people who are simply curious about what they eat and drink, and concerned of the contents in beauty products that they apply? You've got a choice. Nobody's ramming it down your throat, are there? I mean you could be the direct descendant of the Tudor's, who use to apply urine on their hair as a dye. It was also common for Tudor doctors to diagnose illness in a sailor by examining the look, smell and even taste the urine. By all means continue and let's not forget, you are what you eat![/p][/quote]Pure Sustenance (Rizq) - "You are what you eat!" Food and other items from which living things have the power and ability to gain benefit is called RIZQ. Halal (legal) is that which the Shariah has allowed. Pure sustenance is that upon which the heart is is content. Food plays a vital role in the actions and traits of a human. Just as the quality of the fruit is dependent on the seed which it has grown from, similarly the quality of our actions and behaviour is dependent on the food we eat. Thus, food which has not been authorised to be Halal by the sacred Islamic Law leads to the destruction of both the human body and its soul and hence ill characteristics such as immodesty, cowardliness, hard-heartedness and other diseases of the heart all become transparent. Acts such as adultery, theft, gambling and usury are carried out by different parts of the body as a result of food consumed which is Haram (illegal). Halal Food creates modesty, bravery, tenderness of the heart and humbleness. Good actions are therefore executed by the different parts of the body. Halal food allows a person to obey the commands of Allah and instead of becoming lazy, he becomes active and steadfast in the worship of Allah. To sow seeds of barley and expect wheat to grow is stupidity, in the same way, to eat haram food and to expect beautiful characteristics is certainly not the thinking of a sane person. Because good deeds are a result of eating food that has been made permissible by Islam, hence food is like a seed for a human. N4you!
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8:28pm Mon 14 Jan 13

N4you! says...

N4you! wrote:
sen c ble wrote:
jellybiff wrote:
As a Muslim, the 45-year-old mother of four was worried to find that many contained animal products, with no sign of whether they met Islamic law, or alcohol, forbidden in the Koran.
what a bizarre people and religion .
What's bizarre about people who are simply curious about what they eat and drink, and concerned of the contents in beauty products that they apply?

You've got a choice. Nobody's ramming it down your throat, are there? I mean you could be the direct descendant of the Tudor's, who use to apply urine on their hair as a dye. It was also common for Tudor doctors to diagnose illness in a sailor by examining the look, smell and even taste the urine.
By all means continue and let's not forget, you are what you eat!
Pure Sustenance (Rizq) - "You are what you eat!"

Food and other items from which living things have the power and ability to gain benefit is called RIZQ. Halal (legal) is that which the Shariah has allowed. Pure sustenance is that upon which the heart is is content. Food plays a vital role in the actions and traits of a human. Just as the quality of the fruit is dependent on the seed which it has grown from, similarly the quality of our actions and behaviour is dependent on the food we eat. Thus, food which has not been authorised to be Halal by the sacred Islamic Law leads to the destruction of both the human body and its soul and hence ill characteristics such as immodesty, cowardliness, hard-heartedness and other diseases of the heart all become transparent. Acts such as adultery, theft, gambling and usury are carried out by different parts of the body as a result of food consumed which is Haram (illegal).

Halal Food creates modesty, bravery, tenderness of the heart and humbleness. Good actions are therefore executed by the different parts of the body. Halal food allows a person to obey the commands of Allah and instead of becoming lazy, he becomes active and steadfast in the worship of Allah. To sow seeds of barley and expect wheat to grow is stupidity, in the same way, to eat haram food and to expect beautiful characteristics is certainly not the thinking of a sane person. Because good deeds are a result of eating food that has been made permissible by Islam, hence food is like a seed for a human.
quoted from islamic laws and etiquettes
[quote][p][bold]N4you![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c ble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jellybiff[/bold] wrote: As a Muslim, the 45-year-old mother of four was worried to find that many contained animal products, with no sign of whether they met Islamic law, or alcohol, forbidden in the Koran. what a bizarre people and religion .[/p][/quote]What's bizarre about people who are simply curious about what they eat and drink, and concerned of the contents in beauty products that they apply? You've got a choice. Nobody's ramming it down your throat, are there? I mean you could be the direct descendant of the Tudor's, who use to apply urine on their hair as a dye. It was also common for Tudor doctors to diagnose illness in a sailor by examining the look, smell and even taste the urine. By all means continue and let's not forget, you are what you eat![/p][/quote]Pure Sustenance (Rizq) - "You are what you eat!" Food and other items from which living things have the power and ability to gain benefit is called RIZQ. Halal (legal) is that which the Shariah has allowed. Pure sustenance is that upon which the heart is is content. Food plays a vital role in the actions and traits of a human. Just as the quality of the fruit is dependent on the seed which it has grown from, similarly the quality of our actions and behaviour is dependent on the food we eat. Thus, food which has not been authorised to be Halal by the sacred Islamic Law leads to the destruction of both the human body and its soul and hence ill characteristics such as immodesty, cowardliness, hard-heartedness and other diseases of the heart all become transparent. Acts such as adultery, theft, gambling and usury are carried out by different parts of the body as a result of food consumed which is Haram (illegal). Halal Food creates modesty, bravery, tenderness of the heart and humbleness. Good actions are therefore executed by the different parts of the body. Halal food allows a person to obey the commands of Allah and instead of becoming lazy, he becomes active and steadfast in the worship of Allah. To sow seeds of barley and expect wheat to grow is stupidity, in the same way, to eat haram food and to expect beautiful characteristics is certainly not the thinking of a sane person. Because good deeds are a result of eating food that has been made permissible by Islam, hence food is like a seed for a human.[/p][/quote]quoted from islamic laws and etiquettes N4you!
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10:47pm Mon 14 Jan 13

Come the Revolution says...

We're trying to get rid of medieval practices in this country, not introduce them. " N4you", I've never read such a load of old codswallop.
We're trying to get rid of medieval practices in this country, not introduce them. " N4you", I've never read such a load of old codswallop. Come the Revolution
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1:17am Tue 15 Jan 13

N4you! says...

Come the Revolution wrote:
We're trying to get rid of medieval practices in this country, not introduce them. " N4you", I've never read such a load of old codswallop.
sorry to say but you are still living in the dark ages
[quote][p][bold]Come the Revolution[/bold] wrote: We're trying to get rid of medieval practices in this country, not introduce them. " N4you", I've never read such a load of old codswallop.[/p][/quote]sorry to say but you are still living in the dark ages N4you!
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10:19am Tue 15 Jan 13

woolywords says...

When you consider skin, as a body organ, which it is, and watch these adverts for lotions and potions being lavished in large quantities, I don't think you have to be of any particular belief to have more than a little concern as what is in it.
(Last year, it was concerns over alcohol being found in popular drinks, a few years before, fecal matter, in a bottled water, so it's no great leap to do the same with cosmetic products.)
It is a natural extension of thinking about the poisonous dioxins in egg used in shampoo(1999), toxic metals in deodorants(2001), studies on the links between underarm shaving and breast cancer(2003-2005) or the many other things that are out there.
(Stop me, if you think that my thinking is medieval, by all means.) In saying that, if by her producing lotions, potions and unctions, to a certain way, 'that does no harm'(Hippocratic Oath) and that if she saves one life, she saves the World entire(Talmud, Bible and Quran) with healthy, honest and natural ingredients.
Who could not wish her well?
When you consider skin, as a body organ, which it is, and watch these adverts for lotions and potions being lavished in large quantities, I don't think you have to be of any particular belief to have more than a little concern as what is in it. (Last year, it was concerns over alcohol being found in popular drinks, a few years before, fecal matter, in a bottled water, so it's no great leap to do the same with cosmetic products.) It is a natural extension of thinking about the poisonous dioxins in egg used in shampoo(1999), toxic metals in deodorants(2001), studies on the links between underarm shaving and breast cancer(2003-2005) or the many other things that are out there. (Stop me, if you think that my thinking is medieval, by all means.) In saying that, if by her producing lotions, potions and unctions, to a certain way, 'that does no harm'(Hippocratic Oath) and that if she saves one life, she saves the World entire(Talmud, Bible and Quran) with healthy, honest and natural ingredients. Who could not wish her well? woolywords
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7:29pm Tue 15 Jan 13

district01 says...

Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in!
Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in! district01
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8:05pm Tue 15 Jan 13

N4you! says...

district01 wrote:
Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in!
The significant achievements made by Muslims from approximately 750 to 1500 A.D. led to the naming of this period as the Islamic Renaissance, or the Islamic Golden Age.
While Europe was entrenched in the Dark Ages, Muslims made historical contributions to art, architecture, medicine, astronomy, maths, literature and other disciplines.

Muslim cities such as Baghdad, Istanbul, Cairo, Tripoli and Cordoba became cultural and intellectual centers where theologians, scholars, scientists, artists, writers, philosophers, mathematicians and others convened for scholarship, experimentation and discovery.

Muslims were at the forefront of discoveries in ophthalmology, anatomy, physiology, pathology, surgery, chemistry and pharmaceuticals during the Islamic Renaissance. Great advances were also made in astronomy and mathematics, as well as in architecture, art and literature.

* Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi, regarded as the "father of modern surgery," invented and documented more than two hundred surgical instruments. He was also a pioneer in the use of anesthesia.

* Abu Ali al-Hasan (Alhazen) is famous for his groundbreaking work in the field of optics.

* Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi developed algebra and algorithms.

* Ibn al-Nafis was the first person to accurately describe the human circulatory system. He also authored Islamic texts and the first work of science fiction, Theologus Autodidactus.

* Abu Bakr al-Razi, the "father of pediatrics," wrote the first book which specialized in childhood diseases. He also discovered the relationship between bacteria and infections, and initiated the use of antiseptics to clean wounds.

* Ibn Sina (Avicenna) compiled the famous 14-volume medical encyclopedia, The Canon of Medicine (the Qanun). Completed in 1025, The Canon of Medicine remained a medical standard in the West up until the early 19th century.
[quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in![/p][/quote]The significant achievements made by Muslims from approximately 750 to 1500 A.D. led to the naming of this period as the Islamic Renaissance, or the Islamic Golden Age. While Europe was entrenched in the Dark Ages, Muslims made historical contributions to art, architecture, medicine, astronomy, maths, literature and other disciplines. Muslim cities such as Baghdad, Istanbul, Cairo, Tripoli and Cordoba became cultural and intellectual centers where theologians, scholars, scientists, artists, writers, philosophers, mathematicians and others convened for scholarship, experimentation and discovery. Muslims were at the forefront of discoveries in ophthalmology, anatomy, physiology, pathology, surgery, chemistry and pharmaceuticals during the Islamic Renaissance. Great advances were also made in astronomy and mathematics, as well as in architecture, art and literature. * Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi, regarded as the "father of modern surgery," invented and documented more than two hundred surgical instruments. He was also a pioneer in the use of anesthesia. * Abu Ali al-Hasan (Alhazen) is famous for his groundbreaking work in the field of optics. * Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi developed algebra and algorithms. * Ibn al-Nafis was the first person to accurately describe the human circulatory system. He also authored Islamic texts and the first work of science fiction, Theologus Autodidactus. * Abu Bakr al-Razi, the "father of pediatrics," wrote the first book which specialized in childhood diseases. He also discovered the relationship between bacteria and infections, and initiated the use of antiseptics to clean wounds. * Ibn Sina (Avicenna) compiled the famous 14-volume medical encyclopedia, The Canon of Medicine (the Qanun). Completed in 1025, The Canon of Medicine remained a medical standard in the West up until the early 19th century. N4you!
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8:06pm Tue 15 Jan 13

sen c ble says...

district01 wrote:
Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in!
Animals hunted and killed for reasons other than food cannot be justified. Blood sport common in Europe and America and widely appreciated by many as contest and the audience gatherings that see it as amusing and exciting for entertainment, this in real terms is an activity that needs to be placed right back to the 'dark ages'. Many 'civilised' people see no wrong in continuing with this barbaric hobby, where animals are truly disposed of in such horrendous ways.
I see no end to the 'dark ages'. A deterioration term supposedly occurred in Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire.

Welcome to the Middle Ages!
[quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in![/p][/quote]Animals hunted and killed for reasons other than food cannot be justified. Blood sport common in Europe and America and widely appreciated by many as contest and the audience gatherings that see it as amusing and exciting for entertainment, this in real terms is an activity that needs to be placed right back to the 'dark ages'. Many 'civilised' people see no wrong in continuing with this barbaric hobby, where animals are truly disposed of in such horrendous ways. I see no end to the 'dark ages'. A deterioration term supposedly occurred in Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire. Welcome to the Middle Ages! sen c ble
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8:19pm Tue 15 Jan 13

district01 says...

sen c ble wrote:
district01 wrote:
Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in!
Animals hunted and killed for reasons other than food cannot be justified. Blood sport common in Europe and America and widely appreciated by many as contest and the audience gatherings that see it as amusing and exciting for entertainment, this in real terms is an activity that needs to be placed right back to the 'dark ages'. Many 'civilised' people see no wrong in continuing with this barbaric hobby, where animals are truly disposed of in such horrendous ways.
I see no end to the 'dark ages'. A deterioration term supposedly occurred in Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire.

Welcome to the Middle Ages!
A true and believable god would never inflict the horrors of Hala on a living animal. Religion is man made for self motivated reasons by man. However, I’m so glad that your able to see the other horrors inflicted on animals as well. Well done!
[quote][p][bold]sen c ble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in![/p][/quote]Animals hunted and killed for reasons other than food cannot be justified. Blood sport common in Europe and America and widely appreciated by many as contest and the audience gatherings that see it as amusing and exciting for entertainment, this in real terms is an activity that needs to be placed right back to the 'dark ages'. Many 'civilised' people see no wrong in continuing with this barbaric hobby, where animals are truly disposed of in such horrendous ways. I see no end to the 'dark ages'. A deterioration term supposedly occurred in Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire. Welcome to the Middle Ages![/p][/quote]A true and believable god would never inflict the horrors of Hala on a living animal. Religion is man made for self motivated reasons by man. However, I’m so glad that your able to see the other horrors inflicted on animals as well. Well done! district01
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8:23pm Tue 15 Jan 13

sen c ble says...

district01 wrote:
sen c ble wrote:
district01 wrote:
Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in!
Animals hunted and killed for reasons other than food cannot be justified. Blood sport common in Europe and America and widely appreciated by many as contest and the audience gatherings that see it as amusing and exciting for entertainment, this in real terms is an activity that needs to be placed right back to the 'dark ages'. Many 'civilised' people see no wrong in continuing with this barbaric hobby, where animals are truly disposed of in such horrendous ways.
I see no end to the 'dark ages'. A deterioration term supposedly occurred in Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire.

Welcome to the Middle Ages!
A true and believable god would never inflict the horrors of Hala on a living animal. Religion is man made for self motivated reasons by man. However, I’m so glad that your able to see the other horrors inflicted on animals as well. Well done!
Well if religion is man made, you wouldn't believe in my forefather Adam. In that case your forefathers were cavemen. Well done!
[quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c ble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in![/p][/quote]Animals hunted and killed for reasons other than food cannot be justified. Blood sport common in Europe and America and widely appreciated by many as contest and the audience gatherings that see it as amusing and exciting for entertainment, this in real terms is an activity that needs to be placed right back to the 'dark ages'. Many 'civilised' people see no wrong in continuing with this barbaric hobby, where animals are truly disposed of in such horrendous ways. I see no end to the 'dark ages'. A deterioration term supposedly occurred in Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire. Welcome to the Middle Ages![/p][/quote]A true and believable god would never inflict the horrors of Hala on a living animal. Religion is man made for self motivated reasons by man. However, I’m so glad that your able to see the other horrors inflicted on animals as well. Well done![/p][/quote]Well if religion is man made, you wouldn't believe in my forefather Adam. In that case your forefathers were cavemen. Well done! sen c ble
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8:32pm Tue 15 Jan 13

N4you! says...

sen c ble wrote:
district01 wrote:
sen c ble wrote:
district01 wrote:
Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in!
Animals hunted and killed for reasons other than food cannot be justified. Blood sport common in Europe and America and widely appreciated by many as contest and the audience gatherings that see it as amusing and exciting for entertainment, this in real terms is an activity that needs to be placed right back to the 'dark ages'. Many 'civilised' people see no wrong in continuing with this barbaric hobby, where animals are truly disposed of in such horrendous ways.
I see no end to the 'dark ages'. A deterioration term supposedly occurred in Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire.

Welcome to the Middle Ages!
A true and believable god would never inflict the horrors of Hala on a living animal. Religion is man made for self motivated reasons by man. However, I’m so glad that your able to see the other horrors inflicted on animals as well. Well done!
Well if religion is man made, you wouldn't believe in my forefather Adam. In that case your forefathers were cavemen. Well done!
I disagree they were not cavemen, they were monkeys and from monkeys they became human, his forefather was Charles Darwin.
[quote][p][bold]sen c ble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c ble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in![/p][/quote]Animals hunted and killed for reasons other than food cannot be justified. Blood sport common in Europe and America and widely appreciated by many as contest and the audience gatherings that see it as amusing and exciting for entertainment, this in real terms is an activity that needs to be placed right back to the 'dark ages'. Many 'civilised' people see no wrong in continuing with this barbaric hobby, where animals are truly disposed of in such horrendous ways. I see no end to the 'dark ages'. A deterioration term supposedly occurred in Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire. Welcome to the Middle Ages![/p][/quote]A true and believable god would never inflict the horrors of Hala on a living animal. Religion is man made for self motivated reasons by man. However, I’m so glad that your able to see the other horrors inflicted on animals as well. Well done![/p][/quote]Well if religion is man made, you wouldn't believe in my forefather Adam. In that case your forefathers were cavemen. Well done![/p][/quote]I disagree they were not cavemen, they were monkeys and from monkeys they became human, his forefather was Charles Darwin. N4you!
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8:35pm Tue 15 Jan 13

sen c ble says...

N4you! wrote:
sen c ble wrote:
district01 wrote:
sen c ble wrote:
district01 wrote:
Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in!
Animals hunted and killed for reasons other than food cannot be justified. Blood sport common in Europe and America and widely appreciated by many as contest and the audience gatherings that see it as amusing and exciting for entertainment, this in real terms is an activity that needs to be placed right back to the 'dark ages'. Many 'civilised' people see no wrong in continuing with this barbaric hobby, where animals are truly disposed of in such horrendous ways.
I see no end to the 'dark ages'. A deterioration term supposedly occurred in Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire.

Welcome to the Middle Ages!
A true and believable god would never inflict the horrors of Hala on a living animal. Religion is man made for self motivated reasons by man. However, I’m so glad that your able to see the other horrors inflicted on animals as well. Well done!
Well if religion is man made, you wouldn't believe in my forefather Adam. In that case your forefathers were cavemen. Well done!
I disagree they were not cavemen, they were monkeys and from monkeys they became human, his forefather was Charles Darwin.
What 'monkeys'! You mean those that stick their dangles into anything that moves?
[quote][p][bold]N4you![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c ble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c ble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]district01[/bold] wrote: Animals killed by the cruel Halal method should never be tolerated. It is based upon unproven religious beliefs from the dark ages. So, if you feel no concern about spreading cruelly killed animal flesh on your skin then think yourself extremely lucky not to have been born an animal that has been so cruelly disposed of in that way. What a cruel and thoughtless world we all live in![/p][/quote]Animals hunted and killed for reasons other than food cannot be justified. Blood sport common in Europe and America and widely appreciated by many as contest and the audience gatherings that see it as amusing and exciting for entertainment, this in real terms is an activity that needs to be placed right back to the 'dark ages'. Many 'civilised' people see no wrong in continuing with this barbaric hobby, where animals are truly disposed of in such horrendous ways. I see no end to the 'dark ages'. A deterioration term supposedly occurred in Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire. Welcome to the Middle Ages![/p][/quote]A true and believable god would never inflict the horrors of Hala on a living animal. Religion is man made for self motivated reasons by man. However, I’m so glad that your able to see the other horrors inflicted on animals as well. Well done![/p][/quote]Well if religion is man made, you wouldn't believe in my forefather Adam. In that case your forefathers were cavemen. Well done![/p][/quote]I disagree they were not cavemen, they were monkeys and from monkeys they became human, his forefather was Charles Darwin.[/p][/quote]What 'monkeys'! You mean those that stick their dangles into anything that moves? sen c ble
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